June 1998 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Reply to field
by Rowan Smith 04 Jun '98

04 Jun '98

I'd like to start a hopefully breif discussion of the list mechanics... I'd like to see the reply-to field utilised to only have nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz in it. So as to avoid the constant double up of messages I am sure most of us are receiving. I always try and trim out the senders name, but its easy to forget. Thoughts anyone? -Rowan PS If it's just the fact that I am using outlook express shoot me now :) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Reply to field
by Rowan Smith 04 Jun '98

04 Jun '98

> (a) someone @waikato has just modified the majordomo config, or > (b) Chris is doing something devious with procmail. > >I think it's probably (b) :) It is b :) See your headers below. -Rowan Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:51:27 +1200 (NZST) From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> X-Sender: jabley(a)buddha.clear.net.nz Reply-To: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Reply to field In-Reply-To: <19980604183543.A24635(a)caffeine.ix.net.nz> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980604184649.17427B-100000(a)buddha.clear.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Precedence: bulk Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1764 > >-- >Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Tel +64 9 912-4065, Fax +64 9 912-5008 >Network Architect, CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ > > >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Route Policy Database/Filters
by Rowan Smith 03 Jun '98

03 Jun '98

I think that with local peering on the increase throughout New Zealand a RADB or similar would be extremly useful. At NZIX for instance we should all be running BGP, with filters to prevent unauthorised advertisments arriving from someone elses router. While a RADB would only be as good as the information it held and how well you could trust someone to enter data into it. It would still be better than what we have at the moment (almost nothing). I think almost everybody has had to change a metric at Waikato because someone has accidently advertised the wrong Network. I know I did it when we multi-homed a netlink customer several years ago. And I know it has happened to me serveral times. I actually remember a 4am 6 way conversation with Sandy yourself, KC and Iprolink trying to work out a OSPF routing error that turned out to be a Cisco bug, which was only preventable by adding a access-list. We don't have to invest in a server or nominate someone to maintain one, we could all use the merit radb today. The issue arrises (as you have mentioned) when we register "our" IP Addresses against our AS. Most ISPs still have legacy IP space which "belongs" to the larger /16, /15 etc that netway currently advertise, this usually comes from companies which don't want to change. I would like to have the addresses which these organisations have been allocated by Apnic (nznic at the time), routed with our AS number. And as such stored in a database with my AS so that other local bodies that I peer with may use this information to build reliable filter-lists. This would be advantageous to a company like ICONZ, where by if a major international outage occured (heaven forbid :), with our supplier then we would be able to come to some arrangement with another ISP that we peer with to use their international capacity albeit at a decreased performance level, this could be acheived simply by changing some routing filters, assuming that all the appropriate entries were in the RADB(s). Education is required to ensure that people don't think that they own a certain IP address range indefinitely. As the internet requires the addresses to be aggregated organisations need to know this, and understand why. I think that this has been shown by the recent campaign to bring the 190.xx (or what ever it was) range back into some real size perspective. -Rowan -----Original Message----- From: Arron Scott <arrons(a)netgate.net.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Tuesday, 2 June 1998 17:58 Subject: Re: Route Policy Database/Filters >Hi all, > >I would be interested to know what scenarios people have for using such a >database. NetGate currently has a fairly complex routing table, and yet our >boundary routing inside New Zealand still remains fairly simple. > >I am also slightly concerned that having these entries in a database would >infer some "right of ownership" for certain address space, which would do >the concept of hierarchical routing a server disservice. From my >experience, any time someone enters a new entry in the RADB, even if it is >a "black hole" from someone elses CIDR block they feel it gives them a >right to use that given address space indefinately. We may also have to >consider asking for the right to administer sub-delegations of our APNIC >registered addresses ourselves. > >I am not against a router server, I am however keen to ensure it offers >tangible benefits to the users, and improves things for the Internet >society at large. > >Arron Scott >Telecom NZ > >At 05:03 PM 2/06/98 +1200, John Houlker wrote: >>I understand a number of ISPs in NZ would be interested in using a route >>policy database to allow communication of this information and, in >>particular, to enable automated maintenance of filters to control route >>policies. Recently we have had a Computer Science student run an informal >>survey of some ISPs on this issue and again there was an interested >>response from most; he has also been revisiting the situation in respect to >>running a database using the "Route Arbiter" code. I didn't get to the >>NZNOG meeting (perhaps this was discussed there), but could "NZNOG" >>consider this question and perhaps encourage the application of such >>coordinated controls on route information? >> >>In principle I believe the IRR could be used for such a purpose, and it may >>be good practise to load AS/route object information in there in any case >>(it is especially important for multi-homed networks), but maybe there >>should be a NZ based service for NZ information. >> >>Thoughts? >> >>John >> >> >>--------- >>To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>where the body of your message reads: >>unsubscribe nznog >> >> >_________________________________________________________________________ >Arron Scott Phone: ++64-9-3569687 >Service Specialist Fax: ++64-9-3794790 >Service Implementation & Management Group Cell: ++64-25-883163 >Telecom NZ Ltd eMail: arrons(a)netgate.net.nz >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Majordomo results (fwd)
by Joe Abley 03 Jun '98

03 Jun '98

To save anybody else from bothering (and as there seems to be some interest) here are the results of a "who nznog". A motley bunch indeed :) -- Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Tel +64 9 912-4065, Fax +64 9 912-5008 Network Architect, CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:03:42 +1200 From: Majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz To: jabley(a)clear.co.nz Subject: Majordomo results -- >>>> who nznog Members of list 'nznog': rhicks(a)clear.co.nz jclark(a)telstra.co.nz a.scott(a)netgate.net.nz jabley(a)clear.co.nz nznog(a)netlink.co.nz tonyw(a)iconz.co.nz j.houlker(a)waikato.ac.nz sandy(a)netgate.net.nz noc(a)waikato.ac.nz OOLSSON(a)clear.co.nz rowan(a)iconz.co.nz D1NC(a)telecom.co.nz chris(a)cybernet.co.nz craig(a)laptop.iprolink.co.nz T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz markg(a)iprolink.co.nz Dean.Pemberton(a)natlib.govt.nz cthorpe(a)team.xtra.co.nz 18 subscribers >>>> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Publically available who nznog command
by Rowan Smith 03 Jun '98

03 Jun '98

The only thing I might be concerned about is the use of this feature for building spam lists. I would only be concerned about this if I currently didn't get any spam, but as I get upwards of 500/day I don't care, but others might, which probably makes this email pointless. :) Would it be possible to allow the who function to only be executed by members of the list? While this wouldn't stop people from obtaining the user list by subscribing doing a who and then unscribing. It would stop the bulk of them of they were informed that the command was disabled by the list owner, as most people wouldn't try to use the list command by subscribing. I don't even know if majordomo can do this. I think having the who command available is a invaluable asset for everyone. And it should be enabled anyway. Just my 2cents worth. I should probably just shut up. :) -Rowan --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Hands Up
by Arron Scott 03 Jun '98

03 Jun '98

Hmmm ... interesting response to the hands up, Clear, NetGate, Telstra, Natlib, ICONZ, NetLink and UOW by my count ... so are IHUG, Xtra, Voyager, IBM, CompuServe, IProLink, CommNet and any of you others out there ? Again I would ask for the good of this list can we have the list members publicised ? Anyone from UOW got a comment on this ? If the other major players in this business aren't on this list then it's not a very good forum to have deep and meaningfuls in. Thanks Arron Scott _________________________________________________________________________ Arron Scott Phone: ++64-9-3569687 Service Specialist Fax: ++64-9-3794790 Service Implementation & Management Group Cell: ++64-25-883163 Telecom NZ Ltd eMail: arrons(a)netgate.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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List of members of NZNOG mailing list
by Rex Croft, 07 838 4597 03 Jun '98

03 Jun '98

Hello all. Apparently this list is set to not allow the "who nznog" command. If I don't hear any views to the contrary, I will change this and email a list of members on Friday afternoon. To Donald Neal, would you prefer that I took over maintaining this list since it has sprung into use? - Rex Croft, University of Waikato --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Beer
by Roger Hicks 03 Jun '98

03 Jun '98

On Wednesday, June 03, 1998 2:33 PM, Dean Pemberton [SMTP:dean(a)dean.natlib.govt.nz] wrote: > > > > oo oo.. I came in late, but the subject says 'beer' so it can't be bad... > > Yeah - the beer idea sounds good - but unfortunatly it is a long way to drive for an ale. > The place is good...the beer's great...it's close enough for me... Why did you have to select the wrong day :-((( Have one for me! R. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Beer
by Joe Abley 03 Jun '98

03 Jun '98

On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Tony Wicks wrote: > So where is this Galbraith's ? Ah - hadn't thought of that :) Galbraith's is in the old library building on the corner of Symonds St and Mt Eden road. Just next to the car park. Joe -- Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Tel +64 9 912-4065, Fax +64 9 912-5008 Network Architect, CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Hands Up
by Dean Pemberton 03 Jun '98

03 Jun '98

I'm here too. Dean -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Pemberton BSC(Compsci) | email: dean.pemberton(a)natlib.govt.nz| Datacommunications Analyst |cphone: +64-21-633-434 | National Library of NZ |All opinions contained within this | PGP key avail from keyserver |email are purely my own. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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