May 1999 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Discussion list for .nz registry changes
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 19 May '99

19 May '99

Domainz has announced changes which will have a commercial and technical impact for any organisation that registers domain names on behalf of their customers. The changes are described at:- http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/access.htm http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/POB-Customer-id-FAQ.htm 2Day Internet Limited considers there is considerable merit in discussing this topic with other providers before posting any comment to DOMAINZ. Accordingly, we have created a list server for discussion. Any person or organisation with a commercial interest in this topic is invited to subscribe by sending a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with NO subject and the word JOIN in the body. A welcome message with instructions on how to participate will then be sent to you. -- regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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mysteriously large ping times...?
by Joe Abley 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi, Could some kind Telstra-, NetGate- and Xtra-connected people possibly do a couple of traceroutes for me, and mail me the results? I'm seeing some unusually high ping times into these networks, and I suspect that return traffic is coming back by a strange and unusual route. If people could trace to 203.97.1.241 and 203.167.224.1 (and include the address they're tracing from) it would be most appreciated. Probably best not to copy the list tho, unless this is of widespread interest for some peculiar reason :) Thanks, Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contacting people who need to know
by Patrick O'Brien 18 May '99

18 May '99

Peter, > Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I am not sure where this has been stated, but I have *not* stated this. Certainly I cannot supply you Peter with a list of organisations as you seek below -- there are issues of Privacy. > Is DOMAINZ willing to provide us with a list of:- > > * E-mail addresses that regularly submit applications to > 4e-mail.channel(a)domainz.net.nz or registry(a)domainz.waikato.ac.nz > * Host names of computers (other than www.domainz.net.nz) that > regularly access the scripts on domainz.waikato.ac.nz Initial details have been sent to isocnz list, nz nog, and nz.general. I never said that this was the only place it would go. We *are* working on how we do our best to contact as many users of the service that will be affected, as you would expect a service driven organisation to do. However, I did make a committment to get the things "out of the box" for discussion, particularly to the NZNOG by yesterday, Tuesday. I met this committment. I have no issues with the ideas being discussed on one, two or many lists. My problem is that I do not have time to monitor a myriad of lists. It *is* important though that we hear the outcomes of any discussion by next week. This *does* require a formal channel for information to get posted back to Domainz, which is why I've provided a separate e-mail address. I've also asked for some specific information from each Registrar. Again, I do not think that they ought be publishing that kind of sensitive information to a public list. Thus they can use the formal channel provided. For your information I've posted to the NZNOG list and ISOCNZ lists too. Apologies in advance for the cross-posting. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:35 PM To: registry-discuss(a)2day.com Subject: Re: Contacting people who need to know Welcome to people who have joined the list over the last 24 hours. I think it would be great if folk could take some time reading the DOMAINZ documents and considering how the changes will effect their business. Whilst you are doing this, others are joining the list. My original post was to ISOCNZ's list and the NZNOG list. I had hoped DOMAINZ would see its way clear to helping us get people who dont follow either list but it appears Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I have now e-mailed the soa email address for each ISP listed in the back of Netguide magazine. Does anybody have any other ideas on how we can get as many people as possible who may be effected by the registry changes participating here? I am very concerned about those folk who have written scripts to talk to domainz.waikato.ac.nz in the absence of a WHOIS server. NSI made a major snafu when they changed the internic WHOIS without consultation. It made more than a few ISP's and WPP's look bloody silly. Remember if our services are effected by something DOMAINZ does, its us that looks bad, not the registry. I'm not suggesting that anything DOMAINZ is proposing is silly or unreasonable. I am saying people need to be informed so they can plan for the changes. I remain puzzled as to why DOMAINZ would think it OK to advise changes only on its own web site and a few special interest lists. I intend to pick up on the things I think are significant about the changes in about 48 hours time. In the meantime, could I ask that everybody post a short intro message stating who they are / who they represent so others have an idea who is participating. Thanks! regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- ------------------------------------------------------- The registry-discuss list is provided free of charge by 2Day Internet Limited. To unsubscribe send a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with no subject and the word LEAVE in the body. Report problems to postmaster(a)2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 23 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 17 May '99

17 May '99

Members of the NOG, The Domainz website was updated today, with proposals as promised for changes to the the .nz Register. http://www.domainz.net.nz/ Full details can be accessed from the home page, and should be of interest to all Regsitrars. We look forwards to receiving your feedback by Tuesday May 25 by email to, 4changefeedback(a)domainz.net.nz My regards, PATRICK J O'BRIEN Fax: (04) 473-4569 Voice: (04) 473-4567 Mail: P.O.BRIEN(a)DOMAINZ.NET.NZ Web: http://www.DOMAINZ.NET.NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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unixy mirrors
by Joe Abley 16 May '99

16 May '99

Hi all, We have set up a couple of mirrors on ftp.clear.net.nz: ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/debian ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/redhat ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/tsx-11 ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/gnu ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/zebra ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/rfc ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/fyi ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/internet-drafts Most of them are are fully-populated, although some are still filling. Comments and requests welcome. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 13 May '99

13 May '99

Joe, I'm pleased that you see this as the right forum and agree that this is a genuine "operational" issue -- hence my posting. > One issue that has been raised before ...a coherent, machine-readable > interface ... similar to the whois We've just run thru an RFI process, as well as sent the consultant to talk with major Registrars, and some smaller ones too. Interestingly enough, only a couple mentioned the need for a "who is" (Andy Linton was one -- better say that before he reminds me). Most saw a need to get access to specific domain name details around the clock. As I undersatnd it, the web interface provides that capability. We were not able to ascertain what additional information requirement there was, and how a "whois" type service provided that additional information. For instance, here is an "eclectic" we use (apologies, but we are not Unix oriented by any means), http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=domainz.net http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=nominet.org.uk http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=ina.com.au The information is broadly comparable with that provided from the .nz Register, http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER?domain_name=clear.net.nz What precisely is it that the Domainz services do not provide that you feel ought to be provided? Is it the content, is it the form in which it is provided? It makes sense to let us know now as we are redeveloping those systems. If there are key aspects of functionality that we do not provide, then we do need to consider how we go about doing that as part of our current exercise. > What are the chances of getting something like this rolled in to > your next set of changes? On the current proposals signalled for next week, little I suspect. These are targetted at specific address content changes and (hopefully) removal of the duality of name holder/billing addresses. (Strong note that this does *not* mean any change to the name holder's ability to appoint a billing agent and be billed indirectly) > Since you're giving as all months of notice... Did I say that ?-) > there will be plenty of time ... to get a whois server organised, right? :) As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. Notwithstanding, I guess you've got to put together the case as to where the deficiency lies, and the benefits in plugging the percieved gap, soon as you can. Good to hear from you, and looking forward to further input... My reagrds, PAtrick Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:28:45 +1200 From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 08:00:24PM +1200, Peter Mott wrote: > >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" > >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be > forthcoming. > > Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. > Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to _subscribe_ to > in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. This sounds very much like an operational issue involving NZ Network Operators, regardless of the fact that it does not directly involve beer. If we're raising hands, then I would very much like to discuss the interface between registrars and Domainz -- and a "heads up" message to this list does far more for me than a bulletin posted somewhere on the www.domainz.net.nz. One issue that has been raised before, and I would like to raise again: it would be good to see a coherent, machine-readable interface to the domain operator's registry, similar to the whois service at whois.internic.net (but not nearly as broken or hard to parse) or perhaps whois.nic.uk. RIPE-181 is a convenient "standard" format. There is a valid operational need to be able to contact the administrative or technical contact for any zone. Concerns about people walking the DNS and pulling down spam-fodder from the server are valid, but IMHO this is no show-stopper, since (a) it's possible with the existing http interface anyway (b) it's not that hard to limit successive queries from the same client What are the chances of getting something like this rolled in to your next set of changes? Since you're giving as all months of notice to re-code our Domainz interfaces, there will be plenty of idle time for Domainz to get a whois server organised, right? :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Bob Baal 12 May '99

12 May '99

At 22:19 12/05/99 +1200, Joe Abley wrote: >Hi Patrick, > >On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 10:28:54AM +1200, Patrick O'Brien wrote: >> >> I'm pleased that you see this as the right forum and agree that this is a >> genuine "operational" issue -- hence my posting. >> > >If your consultant came and talked to CLEAR, then his questions didn't >filter through to the code monkeys. Maybe we're not a "major Registrar"? >Don't know. > Joe their consultant did talk to us, he spoke to me and Muru. We gave him lots of thoughts about how to progress this but we did not specify a particular way of doing it just suggested that the function should be provided. We gave him enough detail that it took him about 10mins to write it up after the meeting. I did talk to some of the code monkeys before I talked to the consultant and we used the out line document that Julian wrote before his demise, thought I can't remember if I spoke to you about this banana. >Spot on. A consistent interface is what is missing. More importantly an interface that is manipulated by a program not a human. > >That all sounds highly commercial :) If it would help, I am happy for you >to pay me for my 200 lines of shell script :) > > > 1. Benefits > > 1.1. it makes it easier for automated queries, where the results are > inserted into other systems Yes Yes Yes > > >I am hazy on the whole process by which ISPs' requirements for their >interface to the registry are actioned and implemented by Domainz. What >is the procedure? > Its ad hoc. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bob Baal CLEAR Net Email: rbaal(a)clear.net.nz =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 10 May '99

10 May '99

Peter, Thank you. I take your posting to mean that you do not wish to share your "wish list" of improvements with the nznog? > There are quite a few things that could be improved. Sorry that I interpreted your response to infer that you wished to have a forum to air/discuss those views publicly. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 5:20 PM To: Patrick O'Brien Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements >please? When you employ an ISP account manager, offer a reseller agreement written in plain English, and allocate an engineer to discuss the interface with. Until then, I wont be taking anything you say seriously, or spending a cent of my time on it. There is way to much history of all talk and no action. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- -----Original Message----- From: Patrick O'Brien [SMTP:p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:56 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Peter, Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements please? My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:16 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 10 May '99

10 May '99

>Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements >please? When you employ an ISP account manager, offer a reseller agreement written in plain English, and allocate an engineer to discuss the interface with. Until then, I wont be taking anything you say seriously, or spending a cent of my time on it. There is way to much history of all talk and no action. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 10 May '99

10 May '99

Peter, Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements please? My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:16 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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