May 2000 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Re: [i-c-discuss] Help request
by Roger De Salis 27 May '00

27 May '00

Sue Leader wrote: > > Greetings > > I have an inquiry to answer and am missing one essential piece of > inforamtion. Can anyone tell me what the rationale was for having a > second level domain (2LD) structure rather than a flat structure in > .nz? So that the address structure can be divided into things that humans can remember. Also the 2LD provides some clue as to the purpose of the organisation eg .mil. .gov. or .co. There are of course variations in between the USA (1LD) and ROW (2LD). .co - .com .govt - .gov .ac - .edu. NZ has an interesting variation of this at the 3LD level. the 3rd level domain called domainz.net.nz which is a loopback domain. This loopback feature has a unique feature based on the amount of SPAM created this particular domain, so SPAM sent to this particular domain is endlessly recycled permitting near perfect service levels when responding to SPAM. In order to cater for loopback domains, the 3LD known as domainz is permanently wired to ORBS, which is an interactive mail responder. This permits meaningful dialog between the loopback domain and SPAM origination. In order to avail themsleves of this wonderful service, most ISP's in this country have implemented RFC 42064.32 which adheres to the Irish variation of ORBS. This means that all communication from the loopback domain is directed via sendmail to /dev/null. Unfortunately Microsoft clients have no way of implementing this device, and are therefore forced forever to endure SPAM which commences "Domainz is considering changes to.......". There is unfortunately no way to ever leave this highly desirable email domain. Hope this helps.... Rgds Roger De Salis > > Thanks > Sue > Sue Leader - Executive Director > ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) > Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz > Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington > "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." > > All information contained in this message is > confidential to members of the ISOCNZ Council. > _______________________________________________________ > isocnz-council-discuss mailing list > isocnz-council-discuss(a)isocnz.org.nz > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-council-discuss -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Amazing
by Chris Foster 27 May '00

27 May '00

Guess what? I only received my name holder id yesterday and today I received my password. How have domainz done it? took them a while to figure out? Chris --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [i-c-discuss] Help request
by Michael Newbery 24 May '00

24 May '00

On 24 May 2000, Simon Lyall <simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Andy Linton wrote: > > Except to note that it's not necessary and in fact simply causes > > confusion. For example, if you wanted to contact Paradise (the ISP) > > would you choose paradise.co.nz or paradise.net.nz? Now make the choice > > as a naive user. > > Of course if they pick www.paradise.gen.nz then they might really have a > problem. > > > With the benefit of hindsight I'd advocate that it's all a crock and a > > single domain, .nz is all we need. > > It does have the advantage in letting "clashing" names have an > alternative. This is especially good since if your name is Mcdonald or > Harrods then if you take a .gen.nz or .org.nz domain then it is > automaticly assumed to be personal rather than taking a shot at the big > boys. As I recall, the intent was also to delegate authority. Thus the owner of .mil.nz would accept only suitably armed and dangerous organisations. The Universities, who were de facto running ".nz" thought they might be considered presumtuous if they allocated all sub-domains, and even then we did not consider it part of our 'core' business. As it happened of course, we ended up doing it for everyone anyway, pretty much. Bear in mind that this was the time of GOSIP, when Standards NZ wanted a large number of thousands of dollars, per year, to assign you an X.121 address. Countries coming to the Internet somewhat later have had the benefit of experience and have sometimes chosen different schemes. Another consideration was that in the VERY early days, we had big and little endian addresses (JANET style nz.ac.vuw vs Internet style vuw.ac.nz), and since NZ had Spearnet (Coloured book, JANET derived protocols) and TCP style addressing simultaneously for a while, PLUS the BITNET link between Auckland and VUW, plus uucp bang paths, plus Compuserve (remember them :-) we tried to make names unambigous under several transformations. That was one reason we explicitly chose 2LDs that were *not* gov, com or edu. By the time mil.nz and org.nz were necessary, this was no longer considered a problem. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Email notifications et al
by Andrew McEwen Mason 24 May '00

24 May '00

1. Email notifications ------------------- Ted is correct. The messages are going out to Registrars as notified last week and as Ted has discovered. However, they are not as yet going to name server managers who are _not_ Registrars, but this will be changed to include NS managers as from tomorrow morning. 2. Names on hold ------------- We will start tomorrow on releasing the backlog of names on hold. 3. Bugs/issues/change requests --------------------------- We are setting up a discussion list for these, which we plan to have live by this weekend - might cut down on traffic to the public lists :-) Will also have a tool for Registrars in particular to notify and track resolution of bugs. Cheers Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz > [mailto:isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz]On Behalf Of Ted Grenfell > Sent: 23 May, 2000 17:22 > To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz; isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz > Subject: RE: [isocnz-l]Domainz debacle continues > > > At 17:13 23/05/00, Peter Mott wrote: > > > Still nothing from domainz in regard to email notifications. > > > >Just rang domainz, they dont know when soa notifications are going to be> >fixed either. Nothing changes. > > POB told me they should be going today and I've seen some that > are in fact > coming through. We don't yet know though if we're getting all the ones we > should be but we're definitely getting some of them. > > > -- > Ted Grenfell > Xtra ISP Performance Manager > Mob 025 435 455; DDI 09 359 5854; Fax 09 355 5283 > Level 12, Telecom Tower, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland > > > > _______________________________________________ > go to http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-l > for subscription/unsubscription information. > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: List of Registry Problems
by david＠farrar.com 23 May '00

23 May '00

> > I have compiled (and yes it did take me a long time) a list of known > > problems and bugs encountered with the new DOMAINZ registry system. > > It stands at 49 at present. Many of them have now been resolved but I > > believe it is important to note them as they occurred. > > > > The list is at http://www.dpf.ac.nz/isocnz/domainz.htm > > Excellent idea - I can see this list growing rapidly as more people add > issues to the list. I think it's safe to say that Domainz are unaware of > many of the problems with their system, and so it is important for us to > (politely) raise these issues. A buglist such as this one is an ideal way > to do so. Thanks for the extra eight points. I had had several from others and will update the site tonight. While my original intention was more historical to be of use in any inquiry (and showing the need for one) I am happy to modify it so it can be used to show what problems are still outstanding. Hence I will add on tonight a field called "Resolution" showing if the problem has been resolved, was one-off, is a philosphical as opposed to a technical problem or if it is still unresolved. These will be based on my knowledge which is based on mainly the public lists. I would be most happy once the "Resolution" field has been added on to have DOMAINZ inform me of further resolutions so I can keep it up to date. DPF --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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List of Registry Problems
by DPF 22 May '00

22 May '00

I have compiled (and yes it did take me a long time) a list of known problems and bugs encountered with the new DOMAINZ registry system. It stands at 49 at present. Many of them have now been resolved but I believe it is important to note them as they occurred. The list is at http://www.dpf.ac.nz/isocnz/domainz.htm This is intended as a resource for those who believe that there should be an investigation into why so many problems were encountered, especially as many were avoidable. At this stage I have not ranked them in terms of seriousness. I welcome feedback as to additions and amendments as well as suggestions for the seriousness of each problem on a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being very major fuck up and 5 being a trivial problem of little consequence. Off the top of my head I would tend to put Nos 2, 5, 29, 35, 37, 41, 44 and 47 as all Class 1 problems. DPF ________________________________________________________________________ <david at farrar dot com> NZ Usenet FAQs - http://www.dpf.ac.nz/usenet/nz ICQ 29964527 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ORBS stupidity
by David Zanetti 22 May '00

22 May '00

It's come to my attention that ORBS is listing 203.97.237.122 as an open relay, and therefore is being blocked by various (clueless?) networks.., It happens to be a small mailserver I indirectly have some involvement with. It's not an open relay, it has never relayed spam, and its listing in ORBS defies belief. I have absolutely no interest in Alan's disputes with above.net, and I consider the continued listing of this server to be nothing more than petty vandalism on an innocent 3rd party by Alan. Such vandalism disgusts me, it is only pissing off the very people ORBS is trying to convince of its merit.. Alan, get a clue and stop listing people who _aren't_ open relays in ORBS. I welcome anyone who does not take my word that the server is not an open relay to use any (obviously non-ORBS) tester to prove it.. -- David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> | "It doesn't matter a damn what the Moderator, nz.politics.announce | [ISOCNZ] members think or say" #include <geek/unix.h> | Jim Higgins, (then) ISOCNZ chairman --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz registrar email notifications
by Peter Mott 21 May '00

21 May '00

I thought domainz were going to fix sending soa emails to name server sysadms. Two weeks down the track and we still have delegations change left right and centre and not a single email notification from domainz. Does anybody know whats going on? Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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reload frequency .nz name servers
by Peter Mott 19 May '00

19 May '00

Does anybody know the timetable for reload of .nz 2TLD name servers on the domainz new system? I just rang them and was advised name servers are only reloaded once a day following a zone build at 4pm. The person did not state whether this occured on the weekend as well as during the week. Useful stuff like this does not appear on the domainz web site :-( Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Email notifications of name server changes
by Andrew McGhie 18 May '00

18 May '00

We are in the process of implementing the following: After any change to name server details for a domain name a notification message will be sent to the email address in the soa record for the master name server. Where the master name server has changed as a result of the operation, the same message will be sent to the email address in the soa record of the master name server to which the domain name is being changed. Email messages will also be sent to the contact email addresses in the DRS database records for any Registrar(s) involved in a transaction. Registrars should therefore check their email contact addresses in the DRS. If these are incorrect, please notify registrars(a)domainz.net.nz and we will correct them. We expect to have these facilities available by the close of business hours tomorrow (19.5.00). Regards Andrew Mason (from Andrew McGhie's email) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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