December 2001 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has just over 300 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities Thanks to Cisco and Juniper for the 2001 Christmas party. The list administrator may soon start seeking to twist arms in search of contributions for a conference in late June or early July 2002. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/06/01 13:23:34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Clearnets mail servers
by Olof Olsson 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

All, > Are there any Clear mail admins on this list? We are > currently queueing > about 10,000 messages for Zfree and Clear.net. Anyone else having the > same problem? > We have been experiencing a denial-of-service attack on our incoming mail servers this afternoon. This meant that incoming mail connections were intermittently refused. The issue has been resolved, and service should now be back to normal. --Olof -- Olof Olsson <oolsson(a)clear.co.nz> System Architect, CLEAR Communications Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Clearnets mail servers
by Jesse Ball 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Hi All, Are there any Clear mail admins on this list? We are currently queueing about 10,000 messages for Zfree and Clear.net. Anyone else having the same problem? Cheers, Jesse Ball Xtra Messaging Team - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight
by David Farrar 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Couldn't resist sharing this one with those likely to be familiar with RFC 1149. Most amusing part of the news story is when the pigeon hit a window so someone commented "Windows causing problems again" :-) DPF >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:24:30 -0800 >To: jwarren(a)well.com, farber(a)cis.upenn.edu, declan(a)well.com >From: Ron Avitzur <avitzur(a)pacifict.com> >Subject: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > >Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5825807.html > >>One of the Internet's most obscure technologies came to life last >>weekend: transmitting network information by carrier pigeon. >> >>In 1990, David Waitzman wrote RFC 1149, a tongue-in-cheek standard >>for using pigeons to transfer information using the Internet >>Protocol (IP). On Saturday, a group of Linux enthusiasts in Bergen, >>Norway, succeeded in exchanging some data using the Carrier Pigeon >>Internet Protocol (CPIP). For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IP Net Broken
by John Lynch 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

I case anyone was wondering Telecoms Radius server has exploded, taking out 80% of ipnet they working on it at the moment, oh took me ages to track down the right people, there help desk number is 0800 808126. John Lynch System Administrator (string and tape specialist) Wise Net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Hi All, I seem to recall some discussion a while back about the current state of orbz and also in relation to Xtra, but I can't locate it since the archives are not searchable. (At least not the ones I found) Is anybody here using any kind of automatic spam blacklisting system like orbz with success ? By success I mean that apart from being reliable, that it cuts down a worthwhile amount of spam but without blocking legitimate stuff. I know Xtra was blacklisted for quite some time, was that ever resolved ? Am I just asking for problems even just thinking about something like this ? Comments ? Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

At 04:16 PM 3/12/01 +1300, pete clare wrote: >> Well, ORBS closed down as far as I know, and now there is ORBZ, I don't >> know the relation between the two.... > >for what it's worth someone on a list said they had luck with >http://www.ordb.org For completeness, here is the URL for orbz http://www.orbz.org/ As pointed out by others there isnt any relation between ORBS and ORBZ. (or ORDB either probably - now we're getting confusing :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Article on Slashdot, quick comments
by Chris Wedgwood 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

As seen on the worlds greatest 'Stupidity Amplifier'; slashdot: http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/11/08/0237233.shtml ikekrull asks: "After looking to see how I could set up my company's LAN to be multi-homed? , I found that it would be next-to-impossible for me to do this. 'Providerless' IP addresses are no longer allocated to anybody in this part of the world (New Zealand) by APNIC? , unless you meet requirements (financial and political) that are pretty much unmeetable by anyone but a large ISP. Does this put control of the entire internet further and further into the hands of large corporate players, and and is anyone particularly interested in changing this situation?" [...] Since this was posted by someone in New Zealand is comments on APNIC directly (of which there are employees on this list) I should point out: It is my belief, based on experience in doing just this and from dealing with APNIC for several years, that being a small ISP or network user does NOT necessarily mean you are 'shut out' in any shape or form whatsoever; you can in-fact have one or both carriers take your case(s) for multi-homing to APNIC and potentially have them allocate a /24 (or whatever is appropriate) --- this address space would not be part of the carriers CIDR block and need not give the carrier leverage over your company or network as the address space can be delegate to the end-user not the carrier. I have done this before (after discussing this with people from APNIC and conforming that this was indeed a legitimate situation), is there any reason to believe that this situation has changed radically? --cw P.S. Thinking an email address like blortnospam(a)foo.com obscures your email address is bogus and just plain annoying; please don't do it people, many email address acquiring 'bots know of such patterns and will correct for them anyhow. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Citylink FTP & AONL
by Ben Martel 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

FYI, There is also a mirror of ftp.debian.org here: ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/mirror/ftp.debian.org/ ~benm > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 9:28 a.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: Citylink FTP & AONL > > > It shouldn't be getting filtered at APE, but we did ask AOL to stick a > block on for whatever they defined as international traffic (which I > suspect included most Global Gateway customers, due to peering > difficulties at the time). The 5 figure monthly bills for > international > data to a public-good service for the NZ net community was > just getting > a bit more than we could bear... > > It'll be fixed when icafe go onto WIX, but in the meantime if > you could > send through a full traceroute of the path you take to 210.48.103.6, > I'll check it out. Leaning on your upstream provider to join WIX is > worthwhile as well. > > Cheers > Si > > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 11:40:37PM +1300, James Spooner said: > > > > > > > > icafe:~# host ftp.nz.debian.org > > ftp.nz.debian.org CNAME ftp.citylink.co.nz > > ftp.citylink.co.nz A 210.48.103.6 > > > > > > 23:36:27.802471 icafe.44069 > > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz.ftp: S 2511414778:2511414778(0) > win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 466231697[|tcp]> (DF) > > 23:36:27.816580 asiaonlinenz.ape.net.nz > icafe: icmp: host > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz unreachable - admin prohibited filter > > > > ftp.citylink.co.nz seems to be pointing at one of AONL's > IPs, which seems > > to be filtered on port 21 at APE. > > > > Could the relevant network admins clarify please? > > > > Regards > > > > James Spooner > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > James Spooner WAND Group - > University of Waikato NZ > > Networks Lab - G.1.03 WWW: > http://wand.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jbs3 > > Phone: +64 7 8384466 extn 6728 Email: > jbs3(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz > > Mobile: +64 21 447 638 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to > majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Asia Online prefix-list update
by David Fox 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

All those who peer with Asia Online can you please remove 202.50.16.0/21 The current prefix-list is: ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 le 18 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.36.76.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 210.54.0.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 138.235.0.0/16 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 203.9.179.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 203.9.180.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 210.185.16.0/20 le 21 Thanks and Regards David Fox - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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