July 2001 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Re: Optical Gig NICs
by Richard Naylor 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

At 10:35 PM 7/17/2001 +1200, Roger De Salis wrote: >Ah, the joys of my favourite and personal network provider..... > >There is one vital fact that has been missed though.... any financial >advantage accrued through the economics espoused above, is completely >negated by the scale of the PC wreckage around Simon's desk. I've >seen it... in fact it run's over two desks....., around the floor >past the aerials, over the carpet.... who needs $25 NIC cards >when you can sidle up to Si's desk and suggest humbly that >"this has been here 6 months.....would you mind if I tested it..." > >Dean can vouch for me, so this email can be seen to vendor >independenet........ Its a part of our policy of encouraging an environment of open experimentation in the area of interoperability, especially between vendors. But to set the record (and the archive) straight we did tidy up - once, when we shifted buildings. richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Optical Gig NICs
by J S Russell 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Possibly slightly off topic, but does anyone (Hi Richard! Hi Si!) know of a New Zealand source for gigabit nics (optical, not copper) which are (a) not priced at defence department levels, and (b) supported by linux? JSR -- John S Russell | "What the hell is he building in there... Operations Manager | he has a router...and a table saw..." Attica/Callplus NZ | - Tom Waits, Mule Variations --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IPv6...Fact or Fiction?
by Craig Whitmore 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Hi people.... When do people think we (the Internet) will run out of IPv4 addresses and people will be forced to move over and use IPv6? Or will people use the IPv4 addresses in a much more conservative way? Do you think it will really take off in the near future? Has there really been a standardized IPV6 Format yet? Has anyone actually used it in a production enviornment? Should I "Apply" for some IPv6 addreeses now or will there be plenty of time to implement it? Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Julian Angelo
by Donald Neal 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

NZNOG People, Just over a year ago, there was discussion on this list of spamming by one Julian Angelo. He has now approached me, asking to have these references removed from the NZNOG archive. It seems that prospective employers who look up his name on the web find these archive entries, a fact which may not be helping his career any. If any network operator has an objection to these entries being removed from the archive, could they please contact me directly. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Administrator --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Optical Gig NICs
by Chris Wedgwood 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:11:21PM +1200, Chris Hellberg wrote: is that using that RAW NIC to NIC option in the linux kernel? If you mean Alexey's fastroute stuff, then no. Fast route only makes sense for a router and only works on a very limited number of cards. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Optical Gig NICs
by Chris Hellberg 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

>>> "Chris Wedgwood" <cw(a)f00f.org> 07/17/01 10:41p.m. >>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 09:40:01PM +1200, Richard Naylor wrote: Dick Smith. Maybe decent was the qualifer......I think we pay $35 for D-Link. The only D-Link cards I've ever used are 530TX or something. They are not even close to what I call decent. What chipset do the ones you have use? Last time I shifted a file from the edit pc to the server (both on GbE) it took 6 minutes for 1.6 Gig. I wonder if I can get a GbE PC card for the laptop ? Ah.. this is why I say decent card. I expect a 100mbps card to run at 100mbps or very near to it. 1.6G in 6 minutes, that's 4.5 megabytes/s or so? Earlier this year I did some testing or various NICs and could sustain over 12 megabytes/s for several hours, even when this data came off a disk one one machine and onto a disk on another machine. is that using that RAW NIC to NIC option in the linux kernel? <<snipped>> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Julian Angelo
by Lindsay Druett 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Read a bit of that... you're not kidding. About 5 pages of it.... Hey ! He forgot to mention to his prayer chain about NZNOG ! :: Would it not suffice for Mr Angelo to publish an apology :: here on NZNOG, thus when prospective employers discover his :: chequered past, they will also discover his contrition. http://www.datasync.com/~mbowie/archive29.html -- read a bit of that... seems the NZNOG archives are the least of Mr Angelo's worries. -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Julian Angelo
by david＠farrar.com 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

There seem to be a few lessons one can learn from this. 1) Don't spam 2) Don't spam ISPs 3) In case of 1 or 2 apologise 4) Asking for archives to be removed is a bad idea 5) Asking a group of system admins to remove archives is a *really* bad idea 6) This is because anything that can be found about you will and has been 7) Also because the discussion on your request leads to 30 times as many hits as the original thread 8) Juha does have too much time on his hands 9) Refer to 1 10) There is no 10. DPF Gordon Smith wrote: > Good grief!! > > You know Juha, you really have too much free time... :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2001 12:33 > > To: 'Hamish MacEwan'; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: RE: Julian Angelo > > > > > > :: Would it not suffice for Mr Angelo to publish an apology > > :: here on NZNOG, thus when prospective employers discover his > > :: chequered past, they will also discover his contrition. > > > > http://www.datasync.com/~mbowie/archive29.html > > > > -- read a bit of that... seems the NZNOG archives are the least of Mr > > Angelo's worries. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Julian Angelo
by Greg Clare 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Just an observation... In requesting the archive purge, a whole new thread of discussion relating to this topic is currently being created... Therefore, the next request will be for the current discussion to be purged... ad infinitum! This leads to the obvious paradox that the only way to undo history is to travel back in time and not do what should not have been did in the first place! ;) Another observation... An apology post would also be recorded in the archives. Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2001 12:04 pm > To: 'Michael Newbery'; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: Julian Angelo > > > :: An interesting point. The image of 'Memory Holes' sprang > :: instantly to mind. > :: > :: While the article below is rather extreme > :: (http://www.thefire.org/offsite/data/mcelroy042000.html) it > :: does make > :: the point that an archive is supposed to be, well, an archive. > > Good point. I think that "sanitising" archives might set an > unfortunate > precedent, but ultimately, it's up to the listadmin to decide. > > However, even if the messages referring to Mr Angelo were > expunged from > the archives, haven't they been stored elsewhere? I seem to remember > that Google spiders NZNOG... hang on... yep, so it does. > > In fact, a Google search on "Julian Angelo" reveals plenty more than > just NZNOG... see for yourself. I think he's just going to > have to live > with his fifteen seconds of Internet infamy. > > > -- > Juha > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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re: Julian Angelo
by Matthew G Brown 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

I have also read about this person . If he could come up with a good reason and apology he could have his sentence shortened by the ISP Justice system. Spam is Spam and from what I know he did quite the nice job of it all . Sincere apologies time. Matthew G Brown Wireless Network Specialist Tasman Solutions LTD Http://www.ts.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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