January 2002 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Fwd: Re: Conference
by Michael Hallager 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

This was found in the header of Andy's email: X-Authentication-Warning: kiwi.wise.net.nz: Host dup-200-64-243-2.prodigy.net.mx [200.64.243.2] claimed to be [192.168.1.25] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: agardner(a)wise.net.nz And he has at least 3 different email addresses/domain names. - agardner(a)wise.net.nz - andy(a)navigator.co.nz - And where does "kiwiwise.net.nz" fit into all of this? He calls me a girl, idiot, a w**ker and a nazi for running MY OWN mail server as I see fit. "If you can't handle deleting 30 mail messages a day, you're a GIRL" "On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Andy Gardner wrote: > What an idiot/nazi/wanker. And a GIRL to boot!"...... And he makes threats: "I'm shaking in my boots. Wait until the media hears that you're willing to block mail to all of your clients based on one message that YOU didn't like. What an idiot/nazi/wanker" ------------------------------------------------------- I think I will ignore them all. (Jeff and Andy G and Andy L) At 7:23 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote: >Jeff has raised a very good point. I would like to apologise to the >people organising the conference for making a comment without >also providing an idea/contribution. Please don't respond to Jeff, it only encourages him. <SNIP> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff makes the rules in his fantasy world. He has created this INEG 'Role Playing Game' in which he is using various mail lists as suppliers of other unsuspecting players :-) Correspondents are simply unwittingly (or wittingly in some cases) playing Jeff's game. I attach the latest version of the Jeff William's FAQ for archival purposes. Cheers, Darrell -------- Jeff Williams' FAQ. (00/02) -- 1. Who is Jeff Williams? Jeffrey A. Williams, <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com>, has claimed in postings to various lists: -- to be the Chief Executive Officer and the Co-Founder of the 4.8 billion dollar privately held employee owned INEG. INC -- to be the Director of Internet Network Engineering and Senior Java/CORBA Engineer for the Information Network Engineering Group, INEG INC. -- to be an ex-IBM Fellow, -- to have to have graduated from UTD and to have a law degree from SMU Law School -- to have three degrees, MBA, Masters in Computer Science and Engineering, and Law -- to have served as a judge for 7 years -- to be a member of the IETF -- to serve on several medium sized business boards and on the boards of several banks -- to be the author of two books and is working on a third -- to own 3 ISPs, including Frisco net, Deltanet and Wiltel, with 1.6 million users -- to own 8% of eBay -- to have been a fighter pilot with USMC, flying missions in Chile and for the DEA, as a reserve pilot in the USMC, stationed out of Grand Prairie air station just south of Dallas -- to have been acting squadron commander of the Marine combat F4 squadron VMF214 (Black Sheep) at Tan Son Nhut during the Viet Nam war -- to have spent several years in NIS (Naval Investigative Service) -- Graduate of Naval Staff & War College -- Retired Colonel, United States Marine Corps However, -- Jeff's 'INEG. INC' does not exist except as a fantasy in Jeff Williams' mind. -- Jeff changed the name of the company in his .sig, in Jan 1998, from 'Information Eng. Group' to Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC., when the real Information Engineering Group <http://www.ieg-america.com/>, became aware of Jeff's use of their name. -- SMU Law School Registrar's office, (214) 768-2618, disclaims all knowledge of Jeff. Jeffrey A. Williams is a fake and an imposter. -- 2. Is there other material available on Jeff Williams? http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05347.html -- a posting regarding Jeff's non-relationship with IEG. He changed the name of his 'company' on his .sig from IEG to INEG shortly afterwards. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html -- a posting by Frederic Wilf regarding Jeff's claim to have attended SMU. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05525.html -- a posting by Kent Crispin commenting on Jeff's claims. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08000.html -- a list of Jeff's claims to 1998 by Alex Kamantauskas. http://web.archive.org/web/20000707224140/http://robin.fcn.net/mr99jeff.html an account of Bob Allisat's hour long phone call with Jeff and subsequent events. http://web.archive.org/web/20000616115116/http://robin.fcn.net/mr99ronydebu… an account of Ellen Rony's attempt to attend Jeff's INEG Dallas conference. http://www.fichtner.net/outlook/1999-01.html -- a German reporter's article on Jeff... written in German, use http://babelfish.altavista.com/ if you don't read German. Note, Jeff also posts under the following personas and email addresses; David "Dude" Jenson <Dnsipv6(a)aol.com> and James Touton <jim.touton(a)netzero.net>. [Added by WXW, he also posts as Brian Hollingsworth and Bob Davis] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In addition to this, we also have some local content on Jeff, in the IDNO-DISCUSS archives, where him and I had a conversation regarding NZ's Internet infrastructure. During this conversation he claimed: 1. To have a 668 GigaBit satellite uplink from his laptop 2. To INEGroup having offices in NZ, with a Sbone connection to the Internet. 3. To INEGroup doing business in Chile, and having an Sbone connection to the Internet in Santiago. JW's a flake. If everyone here agrees to stop replying to him (or better yet, filter him), he'll soon get bored and go play in another sandpit. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog At 7:23 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote: >Jeff has raised a very good point. I would like to apologise to the >people organising the conference for making a comment without >also providing an idea/contribution. Please don't respond to Jeff, it only encourages him. Courtesy of Darrell Greenwood: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff makes the rules in his fantasy world. He has created this INEG 'Role Playing Game' in which he is using various mail lists as suppliers of other unsuspecting players :-) Correspondents are simply unwittingly (or wittingly in some cases) playing Jeff's game. I attach the latest version of the Jeff William's FAQ for archival purposes. Cheers, Darrell -------- Jeff Williams' FAQ. (00/02) -- 1. Who is Jeff Williams? Jeffrey A. Williams, <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com>, has claimed in postings to various lists: -- to be the Chief Executive Officer and the Co-Founder of the 4.8 billion dollar privately held employee owned INEG. INC -- to be the Director of Internet Network Engineering and Senior Java/CORBA Engineer for the Information Network Engineering Group, INEG INC. -- to be an ex-IBM Fellow, -- to have to have graduated from UTD and to have a law degree from SMU Law School -- to have three degrees, MBA, Masters in Computer Science and Engineering, and Law -- to have served as a judge for 7 years -- to be a member of the IETF -- to serve on several medium sized business boards and on the boards of several banks -- to be the author of two books and is working on a third -- to own 3 ISPs, including Frisco net, Deltanet and Wiltel, with 1.6 million users -- to own 8% of eBay -- to have been a fighter pilot with USMC, flying missions in Chile and for the DEA, as a reserve pilot in the USMC, stationed out of Grand Prairie air station just south of Dallas -- to have been acting squadron commander of the Marine combat F4 squadron VMF214 (Black Sheep) at Tan Son Nhut during the Viet Nam war -- to have spent several years in NIS (Naval Investigative Service) -- Graduate of Naval Staff & War College -- Retired Colonel, United States Marine Corps However, -- Jeff's 'INEG. INC' does not exist except as a fantasy in Jeff Williams' mind. -- Jeff changed the name of the company in his .sig, in Jan 1998, from 'Information Eng. Group' to Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC., when the real Information Engineering Group <http://www.ieg-america.com/>, became aware of Jeff's use of their name. -- SMU Law School Registrar's office, (214) 768-2618, disclaims all knowledge of Jeff. Jeffrey A. Williams is a fake and an imposter. -- 2. Is there other material available on Jeff Williams? http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05347.html -- a posting regarding Jeff's non-relationship with IEG. He changed the name of his 'company' on his .sig from IEG to INEG shortly afterwards. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html -- a posting by Frederic Wilf regarding Jeff's claim to have attended SMU. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05525.html -- a posting by Kent Crispin commenting on Jeff's claims. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08000.html -- a list of Jeff's claims to 1998 by Alex Kamantauskas. http://web.archive.org/web/20000707224140/http://robin.fcn.net/mr99jeff.html an account of Bob Allisat's hour long phone call with Jeff and subsequent events. http://web.archive.org/web/20000616115116/http://robin.fcn.net/mr99ronydebu… .html an account of Ellen Rony's attempt to attend Jeff's INEG Dallas conference. http://www.fichtner.net/outlook/1999-01.html -- a German reporter's article on Jeff... written in German, use http://babelfish.altavista.com/ if you don't read German. Note, Jeff also posts under the following personas and email addresses; David "Dude" Jenson <Dnsipv6(a)aol.com> and James Touton <jim.touton(a)netzero.net>. [Added by WXW, he also posts as Brian Hollingsworth and Bob Davis] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In addition to this, we also have some local content on Jeff, in the IDNO-DISCUSS archives, where him and I had a conversation regarding NZ's Internet infrastructure. During this conversation he claimed: 1. To have a 668 GigaBit satellite uplink from his laptop 2. To INEGroup having offices in NZ, with a Sbone connection to the Internet. 3. To INEGroup doing business in Chile, and having an Sbone connection to the Internet in Santiago. JW's a flake. If everyone here agrees to stop replying to him (or better yet, filter him), he'll soon get bored and go play in another sandpit. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog ------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Conference
by Michael Hallager 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Hi all, I would like to confirm my interest in the conference. However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day). I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments? Based on what I have seen, I would like to learm more about the cable network setup/s. (As covered in recent posts). Beyond that, I am happy with whatever else. Hence, I only need one email to express my interest. Best regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Idiots @ Consumers Institute
by Michael Hallager 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

Hi all, I am sorry for calling them idiots. I still mantain that they are misguided and should consider the issue more carefully lest their point of view seem to be unbalanced and/or mistaken. Michael Hallager On Wednesday 23 January 2002 09:23, you wrote: > Its proberly not a good idea to call them idiots on a public mailing list > :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Hallager" <michael(a)comsolve.net.nz> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:31 PM > Subject: Idiots @ Consumers Institute > > > Hi all, > > > > Here is another example of those "holier than thou" idiots at the > > Consumers > > > Institute making official type/sounding comments on stuff they know > > nothing > > > about: > > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311&thesection=techno >l ogy&thesubsection=general > > > I assume that these are the same people who love "cheap" Internet > > Access, while forgetting the price/performance equation. Now they > > seek to put even more burden on the average low/no-profit ISP. > > > > Sorta reminds me of the show "Target" a little while back. Their > > technical xpurt amounted to no more than a television presenter/actor and > > their "investigations" for the most part are highly questionable in > > regards to honest and accurate reporting IMHO. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Michael Hallager > > > > Managing Director > > Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited > > E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz > > Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz > > > > Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Gotta love the pollies
by Ted Grenfell 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

At 09:43 22/01/2002, Matthew Poole wrote: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311 > >" Residential internet users who suffer email delays, network outages or >slow connection speeds will gain the right of redress against service >providers under a proposed law change." > >This law will hold ISPs liable for delays in e-mail delivery even when the >delays are associated with a remote network over which the ISP has no >control. >I believe that at this point we start talking of concerted information >campaigns aimed at those wonderful employees of ours, to get this >particular section of the law ammended or removed. InternetNZ has made a submission to the Govt. on this topic. Members can view the submission from "What's Hot" at http://www.internetnz.net.nz/whats-hot-index.html -- Ted Grenfell Network Operations Manager, Xtra Limited Mob +64 25 435 455; DDI +64 9 359 5854; Fax +64 9 362 8007 Level 14, Xtra Central, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland This email is for the person(s) identified above, and is confidential to the sender and the person(s). No one else is authorised to use or disseminate this email or its contents. The email or its contents do not necessarily represent the views of Xtra Limited or Telecom. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Idiots @ Consumers Institute
by Michael Hallager 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

Hi all, Here is another example of those "holier than thou" idiots at the Consumers Institute making official type/sounding comments on stuff they know nothing about: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311&thesection=techno… I assume that these are the same people who love "cheap" Internet Access, while forgetting the price/performance equation. Now they seek to put even more burden on the average low/no-profit ISP. Sorta reminds me of the show "Target" a little while back. Their technical xpurt amounted to no more than a television presenter/actor and their "investigations" for the most part are highly questionable in regards to honest and accurate reporting IMHO. Best regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Updated topic list.
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

Good stack in the ground. We can help here as well. Could contribute to the VoIP, TelstraClear MAN and QoS. Also, Wireless. Kefyn -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2002 5:19 p.m. To: NZNOG List Subject: Updated topic list. Ok - I'm using the list that Andreas sent out as a basis for this. I'm unsure if the Contributors lines were people who had expressed an interest to present - or who people WANTED to present. So I'm going to split them up, into offered/wanted. ############################################ - Wireless beyond 2.4 GHz - Wireless Network Security Issues - Network Sniffing demo. - Free Community Wireless *Interest in this has been expressed* Contributors: Offered to present: Dean Pemberton Wanted to see present: Anyone who has built or wants to build a free community wireless network. People from WalkerWireless or Citylink about their plans to use wireless to take over the world. ############################################ - Voice over IP - end-user telephony and Toll-bypass *Much interest expressed* Contributors: Wanted to see present: Cisco Citylink Any of the telco's if they are thinking of offering VoiP gateways. ############################################ - Security and Abuse - SPAM - SOP6 and freedom on the net - DDoS attacks *Much interest in DDos - less in Spam and SOP6* Contributors: YOUR NAME HERE! Wanted to see present: Any company doing DDoS detection work ############################################ - MPLS (Intro/overview) - rfc2547bis MPLS VPN's *Didn't see much interest, flagged for deletion ############################################ - OSPF/ISIS/BGP (anything that people want to know) *Some interest but not a whole lot* In order for this to go ahead I need some more scope. What do people want to know? Contributors: Offered: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - IPv6. Migration strategies *Hot topic. Seems to be what people want to see. Contributors: Offered to present: Dean Pemberton Wanted to see present but have not offered yet: Anyone doing v6 in NZ. Anyone with real world experience in migration issues. ############################################ - Multicast (MSDP, DNS as the roll of RP) Contributors: Offered to present: Mike Sutton Dean Pemberton Wanted to see present but have not offered yet: Citylink if they have any plans to Multicast content over the wgth fiber. Other people with multicast plans/experience. ############################################ - Local loop unbundling -- technical feasibility study Contributors: Offered: Citylink (Richard Naylor) ############################################ - Fibre MAN's, both Ethernet and DWDM Contributors: Would like to see: Citylink Telstra Clear Cisco ############################################ - QoS *Interest shown* Contributors: Offered: Dean Pemberton Would like to see: Anyone doing QoS in thier network ############################################ -Network Analysis/Network Monitoring Contributors Offered: Waikato Uni - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Gotta love the pollies
by David Farrar 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

> > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311 > > " Residential internet users who suffer email delays, network outages or > slow connection speeds will gain the right of redress against service > providers under a proposed law change." > > This law will hold ISPs liable for delays in e-mail delivery even when the > delays are associated with a remote network over which the ISP has no > control. > I believe that at this point we start talking of concerted information > campaigns aimed at those wonderful employees of ours, to get this > particular section of the law ammended or removed. InternetNZ (or more specifically its Vice-President Rick Shera) noticed a few days ago the possible ramifications of the law where ISPs can be caught in the middle between telcos and customers. Rick has put in a submission to the select cmte. ISPs and others could ask the Cmte Clerk if they can put in a late submission (they were due in by 15th). The Clerk is Marie Alexander, e-mail: SC-Commerce(a)parliament.govt.nz and phone: 64 4 471 9532. InternetNZ will make an oral submission on the bill also. Possibly an interested ISP could ask to be part of the delegation (adds credibility to have actual ISP there). Any examples etc of how this will unfairly penalise ISPs for things not under their control could forward such material onto Rick or Sue Leader. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Gotta love the pollies
by Matthew Poole 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311 " Residential internet users who suffer email delays, network outages or slow connection speeds will gain the right of redress against service providers under a proposed law change." This law will hold ISPs liable for delays in e-mail delivery even when the delays are associated with a remote network over which the ISP has no control. I believe that at this point we start talking of concerted information campaigns aimed at those wonderful employees of ours, to get this particular section of the law ammended or removed. -- Matthew Poole "Ever wondered why cemetaries raise the cost of burials then blame it on the cost of living?" - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: (Cheap) Wireless bridging options ?
by Simon Byrnand 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

[snip] >So I seem to have a few options: [snip] >4) Something else ? One other possibility is some kind of tunnel to send the "bridged" traffic over a routed connection, but I'm not sure what software (in Linux) I'd need to do that....(if it exists) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far]
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

I will volenteer to help. Call me conservative, but I would like to see a very successful small gathering that leaves us all wanting more (option1) rather than a large event that burns out the organisers, pauper the participants and satisfies no-one. I guess I am of the walk before you run camp. KJ -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2002 3:06 p.m. To: asjl(a)lionra.net.nz Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far] >>> "Andy Linton" <asjl(a)lionra.net.nz> 01/14/02 01:44 >>> [...] >> So far, what feedback to the list there has been on format suggests >> that we're looking for a two-day residential event. If that is some sort >> of consensus, then I agree that it's time to think about content, but >> I'd like a more general organising group rather than merely a program >> committee, since decisions do need to be made about things like the >> venue and the price. Right now, I'd like more feedback to allow us to >> judge whether that is indeed a consensus view. >Well if that's the consensus view that what we want is a two-day >residential event and given Roger de Salis's insights into organising >something of this scale for Uniforum then we'll be lucky to get it running >until the end of the year. >If that's the case why don't we all agree to go to the Uniforum conference >in July - they've already done the work setting all that up. If enough of >us agree to go, we can arrange with them to provide a separate room to run >a Network stream in and piggy back on everything they've already >organised. That way we get to focus on content. Fair enough. I think we have from here four options. 1/ Organise something small. I'm not hearing any clear enthusiasm for that. 2/ Seek to have a stand-alone event organised by somebody else. The University of Waikato have made a credible offer to do this. They have experience of event organisation and have a venue which is likely to be suitable. We could accept that offer, or 3/ it may be possible to persuade one of the companies which have offered to assist with organisation to take on a primary role in that work. My impression is that NANOG rotate organisational work among a variety of corporate "hosts" as their gatherings move to different North American centres. 4/ Run an event within a larger event. In practice for this year this would mean the UniForum NZ conference. This is scheduled (with a final choice of hotel pending) to take place in Auckland in early to mid July. (The school holidays run 29 June - 14 July.) The convenor has suggested that NZNOG run a stream over a Thursday and Friday, with format and room requirements negotiable. The main conference seems likely to run Thursday - Sunday. There would be an option for people to register only for the Thursday and Friday. In any case, we would be aiming to keep under the sort of cost figure Roger De Salis has mentioned. I believe we could now proceed by accepting one of options 1, 2 or 4 and at the same time appoint a group of people to liaise with others involved and to coordinate a programme. Or we could appoint a group and leave the choice among options 2, 3 and 4 to them. Thoughts? Volunteers? - Donald Neal This is not a private communication. -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================ == - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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