April 2002 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Re: HitWise
by Donald Neal 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

Anonymised proxy cache logs have been passed around for research purposes for many years. No identification of users, no problem. - Donald Neal >On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Steve Phillips wrote: > >> (note, allowing anyone access to our proxy logs without a search >> warrant grates at me already and will be one argument against this that >> I will be raising as an issue..) > >Doesn't the Privacy Act ban that sort of user tracking? > >-- >Juha Saarinen > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > -- Ihug Network Operations Centre, Phone: +64 9 359 2708 Auckland, New Zealand. Email: noc(a)ihug.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: HitWise
by Bob Baal 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

I ran the Hitwise system at CLEARNet for several years. The system seemed to work quite well. The initial work over the logs is done on your site by a program that Hitwise provide. The output of the program is a text file that you can inspect. The format is quite simple and there are no userid's in the file just site info. So there is no privacy concerns that I can see as its not possible to identify a particular users surfing pattern. The marketing bodies seemed to be happy with the reports that they got for free. We only stopped using the system because marketing decided they preferred another crowd. However after turning off hitwise they found out the the new crowd wanted to charge us an arm and a leg for the info Hitwise had given us for free so that deal fell through and now nobody uses the CLEAR Net logs anymore........... If would have been a good idea to find that out before tuning Hitwise off d'oh........ Regards Bob At 23:49 10/04/2002 +1200, Steve Phillips wrote: >Hi, > >This word is starting to circulate about our office and I was wondering if >anyone else had any experience with this crowd, at first look it seems >like some dogey marketing rubbish that I should not let anywhere near our >network here, but because they promise you money and apparently take >"nothing confidential" management are viewing it through eyes painted with >pretty wee dollar signs.. > >http://www.hitwise.com/ is their website.. > >comments/suggestions ? > >(note, allowing anyone access to our proxy logs without a search warrant >grates at me already and will be one argument against this that I will be >raising as an issue..) > > >-- >Steve. > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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maggie.automagic.org
by Joe Abley 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

The NZ-only BGP stats being collected on maggie.automagic.org have turned out to be less than entirely reliable, mainly due to the fact that I never came up with a good and consistent heuristic for determining whether a route corresponded to infrastructure which is in New Zealand or not. ASes which extend between countries, new transit and peering arrangements between NZ operators and those overseas, and peculiar redistribution loops and other leaks all conspired to pollute most of the data to the extent that it's not really good for much, as far as I can tell. What might be better would be to avoid the geopolitical distinction altogether, and just accept as much of a full table from everybody as possible, with open access for people who want to troubleshoot or collect the data for research, à la route-views.oregon-ix.net. Unfortunately maggie is a 45MHz SPARC Classic, maxed out with 96MB of RAM, and exposing her to the trauma of even one view of the full table would likely cause her extreme discomfort. If someone else feels like donating a router to the cause, to be used for such a purpose, I think that would be a Good Thing to have, but maggie is not that router. So, if anybody is going to be upset if the data currently published from maggie.automagic.org goes away, or stops being current, could they drop me a line off-list? Thanks, Joe [tangent: http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/343E49013F5EBA2DCC256B9500189EB1!ope… 'When Debbie Monahan takes up her duties in mid-May the country will, for the first time, "have a person solely focused on the internet and making it work in New Zealand", says InternetNZ vice-president Rick Shera.' Maybe someone should tell Rick that making the internet work in New Zealand has precisely nothing whatsoever to do with the nz TLD. I would have been more encouraged by a statement which says "we expect the new Domain name commissioner to be a registrant-funded scapegoat for the continuing disappointment experienced by Domainz customers, and to be a focus point to pull all the ICANN-obsessed hot-air generators into small, poorly-ventilated rooms where they can be dispatched cleanly and efficiently using poison gas"] - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group - Email Address Correction
by Donald Neal 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

NZNOG 2002 Work is now under way towards a conference and social gathering to be held in Auckland in July 2002. Abstracts are _now_ sought from prospective speakers, with the aim that a draft timetable will appear shortly. If you wish to add your name as a possible presenter, please email nznog2002(a)pemberton.com without delay. Sorry about the earlier typo. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco 2511 misc
by Matthew G Brown 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

We just got left a spare 2511 router from a wireless POP upgrade. Its useless to me . Anyone know were we can dump these things. 35xx are all that are any good to me. Sorry for the slight OT. Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

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Orcon Internet Prefix Lists Update..
by Craig Whitmore 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

Hi.. For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS 17746) at APE please update your Filter Lists to add the following network. ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 219.88.240.0/20 le 24 Peering IP's : 192.203.154.66 AND 192.203.154.67 AS: 17746 A Full prefix list is included as attachment. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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VERY OT: Compaq Retailers in NZ?
by Malcolm Lockyer 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

Anybody know of good compaq retailers in NZ - I'm looking for a possible purchase of Compaq 1U rackmount servers new (or if anybody has any second hand in good condition). Also - anybody know of any good Cisco retailers - I'm more interested in the prices of the gear new - than actually buying the stuff at the moment - so I can plan :D. Best regards, Malcolm Lockyer -- owner/founder/managing director -= Neuron Net =- You're on the net! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Spam on the increase again
by Simon Byrnand 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

At 14:00 11/03/02 +1300, Richard Parry wrote: >Yep, I've definitely noticed it :) It got me annoyed enough to turn >Postfix into a mail rejecter :) Here's what I've stuck in >/etc/postfix/main.cf: >[snip] >Note that you need permit_mynetworks under the helo restrictions so that >you still accept email from Outlook Express clients and the like (if >this is your SMTP gateway for ISP customers) - OE will not present a >FQDN for itself regardless of operating system (I believe it presents >the NBT name). I think you'll find just about all end user email software does this. >I'd be curious to know what sorts of policies ISPs have within NZ, and >why. Before I put in my filters, most of my mail was spam - and this >just isn't right :) Apart from the UCE recieved recently (I too got the >"DHS Clubshop" mail) from within NZ, our local networks are really >quiet. I've been trialing orbz and ordb in the last couple of months (not related to orbs) and they've been very good. Naturally I've kept a very close eye on it, but I've only had 2 instance where genuine mail wasn't getting through that I know of - and in both cases they WERE actually open relays. I was easily able to add an exclusion for those two servers until they got off their ass and fixed their open relay. (Both did after a couple of weeks) Both also have good and fast removal policies so they're not the sort of list that once you get on you can never get off...(ala the original orbs :) When I first started using them it cut the spam by 80%, I'd hate to think what it would be now without it. >Certainly, I've been tempted to just block addresses from Asia... Most >of the spam I saw before I put in my filters was for cheap Thai sex >prostitues and whatnot. I'm just not that kind of girl :) Well 90% of the ip addresses that I found were all Korea :/ One extremely prolific spammer in case anyone is interested is 4.42.113.104, which belongs to genuity's netblock. Even after blocking them with 550 Rejects, they're constantly hammering on our server every half hour. I suspect there is fat chance about Genuity doing anything about them, I've heard they don't have a good rep when it comes to shutting down spammers...:) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: OT: Old Stuff
by David Farrar 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 14:53, Craig Whitmore wrote: > > > Those days you could register es.co.nz (you can't now if this was not tak> en) > > (but they made rules up than you can't register domains as the 3rd level > > being the same as the 1st level domain) (Anyone know the reason for this? > > (there must be a good reason)) (I want to register nz.co.nz and us.co.nz) > > > > Your out of luck, us.co.nz and nz.co.nz are taken... I _think_ that the > restriction may have been lifted but I'm not 100% sure. The restriction was lifted by InternetNZ late last year. Don Stokes can explain far better than me why there used to be a ban on TLDs being registered at the 3rd level but basically it used to cause problems for some old servers. Data indicated that the number of people likely to still be using such old software is very limited and that as most other TLDs allowed TLD names at the third level we should follow the trend. Incidentially ICANN is moving to ban ccTLD (and country) names at the 2nd level in gTLDs because some Govts have asked for this. But that is for political not technical reasons DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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