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NZNOG 2003
by Donald Neal 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

In July of last year I posted to this list asking people to express their preferences between one of two different formats for an NZNOG gathering for this year. As I described them then, the options were: "1/ UniForum NZ Roger De Salis has volunteered to act as convenor for next year's UniForum NZ conference. In general terms, his intention is to stage a conference similar in structure to this year's, though with Linux content much more focussed toward a business audience, and in general a stronger programme. NZNOG would be welcome to participate on more or less the same basis as this year, though presumably making up a smaller proportion of a larger conference. This would probably be at around the same time of year and probably in Auckland. 2/ The University of Waikato The University of Waikato have offered to host a NZNOG gathering, to be held at their main campus in Hamilton. This would be a stand-alone event, with the university providing administrative staff time for registrations and the like. No decision has been made as to when this would be. If held outside university terms, e.g. in February, accommodation on campus would be available at a cost of approximately $35 per night. There would be a cost for the venue, but this would be well below the rate a hotel would charge. The Hamilton option is likely to have a significantly lower cost. It is possible that a university setting would discourage sponsors, who provided a good number of overseas speakers this year. On the other hand, the likely venue photographs well and we haven't asked them yet." I received exactly one clear statement of a preference. A subsequent posting by Tony McGregor confirmed that he was confident that a gathering at The University of Waikato could keep its registration fee very low, possibly as low as zero. I know that Roger De Salis has continued to work on content for a UniForum conference, and intends a Next-Generation Internet stream for that. I'd like now to hear back from people who would actually plan to attend one or other if it were offered a) whether they have a clear preference for one format or the other, and b) whether they're in a position to do any work towards making something happen. If you're making a general comment, by all means send it to the list, but please send statements of personal preference just to me. I plan to summarise feedback more or less as I receive it. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Tony McGregor 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

I'm sorry I haven't responded to any of the questions about the Waikato venue earlier; I'm on holiday at the moment. A lot of details would have to be confirmed but here's what I would expect of a Waikato venue. Location A lecture room of appropriate size. Projector, OHP, mike etc. All good quality gear. I'd expect we'd use 'S' block for those of you who know the campus. We'd use the foyer for breaks etc. Food There is no problem providing lunch morning and afternoon tea, constant coffee, even a fridge. There are vending machines nearby. This is a registration cost issue. How much do you want to bundle in there? I'd imagine we'd setup an optional conference dinner either at a nearby restaurant or at the restaurant and bar on campus. Network There is good connectivity to any room we'd be in. (6-8Mbps to off campus). Usage charges are a bit of an issue. I'd be billed about 10c/Mb. The 2-3Gb mentioned for the last conference is no problem, but we'd need sponsorship to do streaming video. We (the WAND group) are currently looking to buy some bandwidth so this issue may well be gone by the time the conference occurs. We didn't actually provide wireless to the last conference, but did come equipped to do so, just because we wanted it ourselves. We would certainly provide wireless in the conference room and foyer. That too is a no brainer. We have (for another conference) provided wireless to the on campus restaurant and bar and could probably do that again if they were used. Network access to accommodation depends. I believe some of the on-campus accommodation rooms have LAN ports. We could probably do wireless to others. It might be possible for us do an ad hoc wireless link to a nearby motel but that's not a given. Web vs Attendance Because we don't have a very high one off cost I don't think this is an issue. From memory (my notes are at work) the fixed costs were low enough that I could probably sponsor them. So the registration would mostly be covering per participant costs. It seems possible to me that we could have free registration for those not wanting food etc. Niceties Pens, paper, water, mints, power are a no brainer. A bag is quite doable if people really want it. It either needs to be sponsored or adds, say $25 to the registration fee. Transport Hamilton is only a 90 min drive from downtown Auckland (unless the Auckland traffic gets you.) You can also take a bus, train or even fly. People commute to Auckland from here. Surely, coming down here for a couple of days isn't really a big issue. What may be an issue for non-Aucklanders, is the fairly limited air services to here. Wellington is good, everything else is indirect. Accommodation The big issue here is timing. If you want to use the on campus accommodation the conference needs to be mid-Nov to mid-Feb. That means it's 10 months away. Other times we'd have to use off campus accommodation. The nearest is about a 20-25min walk so car pooling (or arranging a mini-bus) is a good idea. We'd probably select a conference hotel or motel and arrange most things around that. (E.G. have the dinner walking distance from the nominated hotel). There's a good range of accommodation of various prices nearby. Sponsors and Speakers Having other sponsors will be a big help in making the conference go off well and be more fun. It's been suggested that sponsors might be less keen to sponsor a meeting if it's at Waikato. I can't really see that. It's the community that attracts the sponsorship, not the location. We haven't found this to be a problem at other conferences at the University We have plenty of international contacts (we sponsored David Moore last year). I'm sure we could attract some of them to come here. Experience The university does run a fair number of conferences. I was on the organising committee for PAM2000 and am a co-chair for PAM2003. I've also done a bunch of other meetings and conferences. Why? You might we wondering why I'm keen to host it here. Firstly, I want the WAND group to be better known by the NZNOG community. > Our funders say we need to raise our profile within NZ. Also, I spent more on student registrations last time that covering the basic costs would have cost if I'd done it here and I can't justify that again. But, if I can spend the same money, and have that payoff for everyone, and buy some brownie points, it seems like a good deal. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (2003-01-13)
by Craig Whitmore 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746), please update your Prefix Lists to add the Following Networks. ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.27.208.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.36.183.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.49.106.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.180.128/26 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.193.64/27 A full Cisco Prefix List is attached. Those you don't accept greater than a /24 ignore the last 2 prefix Lists. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Ewen McNeill 11 Jan '03

11 Jan '03

In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0301110438180.23094-100000(a)blue.darkmere.gen.nz>, Lin Nah writes: >For example the U of Waikato contingent was strong (10 - 15). [...] >After all without them we'd have been without that wonderful wireless >network. [1] I'd actually assumed that the wireless was provided by Citylink, what with the wireless units reporting CafeNet, etc. In any event, it was good to see a bunch of people from University of Waikato turn up, and scheduling the conference for a university term break obviously helped. >What I am trying to say is there were frills From owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sun Jan 12 20:12:25 2003 Return-Path: <owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Delivered-To: nznog-archive(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Received: (qmail 29748 invoked by alias); 12 Jan 2003 20:12:24 -0000 Delivered-To: nznog-waiklist(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Received: (qmail 29743 invoked by uid 24754); 12 Jan 2003 20:12:24 -0000 Delivered-To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Received: (qmail 29733 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 20:12:23 -0000 Received: from mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (130.217.66.61) by list.waikato.ac.nz with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 20:12:23 -0000 X-Envelope-From: mail(a)dalek.telecom.co.nz X-Envelope-To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Received: from smtpout.telecom.co.nz (smtpout.telecom.co.nz [146.171.14.10]) by mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h0CKCNg06542 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:23 +1300 Received: from aksmtpmdr2.telecom.co.nz (aksmtpmdr2 [146.171.1.21]) by smtpout.telecom.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AB746187 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:23 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from 146.171.227.25 by aksmtpmdr2.telecom.co.nz with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v5.0)); Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:16 +1300 X-Server-Uuid: C12A7B57-6254-11D6-850C-00508BBBD939 Received: from akmail02.telecom.tcnz.net ([146.171.227.22]) by akextmail02.telecom.tcnz.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:16 +1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:16 +1300 Message-ID: <3936E12ED6B54E4087D8263F4E1AE8821F6EB6(a)akmail02.telecom.tcnz.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003 Thread-Index: AcK6ducXC4ocYSZkEdeD0wAAOblZJg== From: "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2003 20:12:16.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7548B20:01C2BA76] X-WSS-ID: 123F13AA89246-01-01 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2BA76.E746D0D0" Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BA76.E746D0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger De Salis sent this to the list - - - - - Quoting Dean Pemberton <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz>: > On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 08:26, Joe Abley wrote: > > People seem to be concentrating on the travel implications > > of Hamilton vs. Auckland, without considering other things > > that are (I think) somewhat important. Lin mentioned some > > of these, but I thought I'd make a list. >=20 > Good list - I just have one more thing to add. >=20 > When it comes to getting money out of companies. The Techies > don't have any. >=20 > Most of the Sponsorship money you need comes from the Marketing > department. And they don't care how much beer will be at the > conference. >=20 > I had some real issues with getting cash out of a certain company > without answering the following questions. >=20 > Can we have printed brochers to hand out to our customers. > (I told them there was a webpage) Yes. Glossy colour flyers being produced as we speak, as this makes the = selling exercise so much easier. I'll put the colour PDF's up on the Web = site, to let people colour print their own version for local conversations. > Can you send us the webpage URL so that we can link to it from our > Events calender (Told them it was coming) Yes. > Who else is sponsoring at this conference.=20 This is my exercise over the next 4 weeks, drum up the sponsorship. My hope= = is sponsorship will be similar to last year, with some additional sponsors. > Can we get the list of attendees and contact details=20 > (Yeah right, but they will ask) You can certainly get a copy of last years attendees. We are obviously = hoping for more. > Can we put up advertising around the venue, how much and for how long. > etc etc etc etc etc Yes, length of conference, whatever works for you. The point of the venue i= s= it is somewhat larger than last year. So corporate type things can happen = if the sponsors desire. >=20 > I'd suggest that people go and look at the Sponsorship page > for Apricot and see what they are offering to companies who > provide sponsorship. This is the sort of stuff that the > Marketing departments want to see. Otherwise you have a=20 > shit show of getting cash out of large companies. >=20 > Oh and most of the time they control the big speakers too =3D) Particularly if they help with the airfare.... Rgds Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential.=20 If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BA76.E746D0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV> Roger De = Salis sent=20 this to the list - - - -=20 - Quoting Dean Pemberton=20 <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz>: > On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 08:26, Joe Abley= =20 wrote: > > People seem to be concentrating on= = the=20 travel implications > > of Hamilton vs. Auckland, without= =20 considering other things > > that are (I think) somewhat = important. Lin=20 mentioned some > > of these, but I thought I'd make a= =20 list. > > Good list - I just have one more thing = to=20 add. > > When it comes to getting money out of = companies.=20 The Techies > don't have any. > > Most of the Sponsorship money you need = comes=20 =66rom the Marketing > department. And they don't care how muc= h= beer=20 will be at the > conference. > > I had some real issues with getting cas= h= out of=20 a certain company > without answering the following=20 questions. > > Can we have printed brochers to hand ou= t= to our=20 customers. > (I told them there was a = webpage) Yes. Glossy colour flyers being produced as = we speak,=20 as this makes the selling exercise = so much=20 easier. I'll put the colour PDF's u= p= on=20 the Web site, to let people colour print their own version<SPAN=20 class=3D065165619-12012003> for local conversations. > Can you send us the webpage URL so that= = we can=20 link to it from our > Events calender (Told them it was=20 coming) Yes. > Who else is sponsoring at this = conference.=20 This is my exercise over the next 4 weeks, = drum up=20 the sponsorship. My hope is = sponsorship=20 will be similar to last year, with some=20 additional sponsors. > Can we get the list of attendees and = contact=20 details > (Yeah right, but they will = ask) You can certainly get a copy of last years = attendees.=20 We are obviously hoping for=20 more. > Can we put up advertising around the = venue, how=20 much and for how long. > etc etc etc etc etc Yes, length of conference, whatever works fo= r= you.=20 The point of the venue is it is = somewhat=20 larger than last year. So corporate type=20 things can happen if the sponsors desire. > > I'd suggest that people go and look at = the=20 Sponsorship page > for Apricot and see what they are = offering to=20 companies who > provide sponsorship. This is the sort o= =66= stuff=20 that the > Marketing departments want to see. = Otherwise you=20 have a > shit show of getting cash out of large= =20 companies. > > Oh and most of the time they control th= e= big=20 speakers too =3D) Particularly if they help with the=20 airfare.... Rgds Roger</DIV></BODY></HTML> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. 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NZNOG 2003 - Vote Count So Far
by Donald Neal 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Days since I asked people who expect to attend to express a preference: 1 Preferring UniForum: 4 Preferring Waikato: 4 Will attend either, not worried: 1 Volunteering to help: 1 - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: NZNOG 2003
by Donald Neal 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Chris, So far as I'm aware the income tax laws haven't changed in the past year, so UniForum membership is still likely to be a condition of the UniForum option. How the UniForum organisation is structured, and hence what the subscription is, was to be reviewed last year, though I've not heard of an outcome from that. - Donald Neal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hellberg [mailto:odysseus(a)soa.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:43 > To: Donald Neal > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 > > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 11:43:06AM +1300, Donald Neal wrote: > <<Stuff about venues>> > > I don't have a strong opinion either way on the two venues (as long as > there's beer and curry close-by), however I would prefer not to have > to pay for membership to a society that I'll never have any > interest in. > > That being said, I'm sure the cross-pollination on technical > discussions and presentations of the NZNOG and Uniforum type is good, > just keep the membership optional. > > Checking the list of past NANOG presentations: > > http://www.nanog.org/authors.html > > Gives a great start for potentials at NZNOG 2003. Jeff > Doyle is a pretty well-known brand in networking who I'd like to see > this year. > > Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Hi All
by Robert McDonald 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

> > Fyi, Today is my last day at TelstraClear, I'm moving down country to a > > less stressful life without pagers and multi-gigabit routers ( but plenty > > of tasty snapper ) . The primary TelstraClear wholesale network engineers > > will now be Tim Harman and Matt Camp in Auckland with Mark Seward and Sid > > Jones in wellington. > > It's interesting infact that this is happenning more and more. Now that > I am unemployed, and not having much luck with finding work I am > personally thinking of enrolling in university to finally make something > of myself (in the traditional sense) after dropping out of high school > to be a geek. > I know of at least one other engineer who is now attending university > and one other that is thinking of leaving his job to finish his degree. > > I also know at least one person (other than Tony) who has moved "down > country" for the better life style (and dare I say cheaper housing > prices) offered by a rural setting. > > I think we might have what you would call "a trend" taking place here. > Has the downturn finally affected the real geeks or is it simply the > tie-wearing corpo-drones with cisco qualifications pushing us out of the > industry that we created? > Is it really that slow in the market? > > I'm interested your opinions. I hope there is stil a place in the industry for a geek like me. I'd love to leave school straight into any kind of geek position. I am not one who likes the business side of the IT industry. I just wanna play with cool stuff. - Although the way it's going i'll be 5 years out of uni with a few certs as well before i get employed in any position with responsibility. Oh well such is life. What 16yo Dreams of upgrading his 486dialup router to a cisco with gigibit fibre. Who's bedroom hums like the server room of a large ISP? - without aircon! (probly because of the switch that howls and the CPU fans that are old and broken), And who cares about maintaining 100% uptime on his home lan? :D Cheers, Rob > > In the 6 years I've been in the ISP/Telco industry I have seen the New > > Zealand Internet grow from 64k links and 14.4 modems to 2.5gigabit links > > and broadband. The reliability and professionalism has also taken a > > quantum leap, and I think it is important for everyone to stop > > occasionally and appreciate how far we ( as an industry ) really come. > > Indeed. It seems like a lot has happenned since we had to manually > reset hundreds of external modems on shelves every morning. > I do have to say that I am really proud of the network engineers in this > country because even as the industry becomes more and more corporate > oriented the personalities on this list and their cohorts have created a > very real feeling of friendship and camaraderie that has made this a > great industry to work in. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Donald Neal 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Roger De Salis sent this to the list: Quoting Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net>: > I had intended this to go onto the list for discussion but missed the > reply-all button... > > > > >I'm not sure what Roger has in mind for Uniforum this year but > >I'd definately like to continue to see NZNOG and Uniforum work > >together in the interests of a single, good value conference, > >as opposed to two smaller ones. This is exactly what I had in mind, and IMHO, an individual smaller conference for Uniforum won't work. (This is my personal opinion!) Since Donald has beaten me to the punch, my current thinking is I am trying to secure a speaker from the Seattle Gigapop, to talk about Internet 2 operations overseas. The conference was intended to maintain a very strong (or stronger) networking theme. I was about to send out a Call for Papers, and maybe this is an opportune time to ask if there are any speakers people would dearly like to see. Another speaker I had in mind was a notable from Australia, to talk about their side of the ditch. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Practical stuff, I have an agreement for the Waipuna Lodge, on 10-11 and 12 July 2003, and it appears to me to be very similarly priced to the Centra last year, but it is quite a bit larger and offers opportunities for more flexibility with groups. In conclusion, wot he said. //shields on Any comments, encouragement, opinions welcome //shields off Rgds Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Re: NZNOG 2003
by Mark Foster 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

I had intended this to go onto the list for discussion but missed the reply-all button... >Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 11:58:41 +1300 >To: "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> >From: Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> >Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 > >I for one liked Uniforum and NZNOG having their linked arrangement for the >last conference, theres a lot of crossover interest there and I see there >being some merit in being able to make the one trip and cover all bases, >as it were. > >I also know that the NZ Open Source Society would most likely be quite >keen to have a presence at at least one of them as there are obviously >some crossovers there as well given the nature of OSS use among Network >Professionals... > >I'm not sure what Roger has in mind for Uniforum this year but id >definately like to continue to see NZNOG and Uniforum work together in the >interests of a single, good value conference, as opposed to two smaller ones. > >At 11:43 9/01/2003 +1300, you wrote: >>In July of last year I posted to this list asking people to express their >>preferences between one of two different formats for an NZNOG gathering >>for this year. As I described them then, the options were: >> > >*snipped* - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG 2003
by Tim John 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Hi Donald, I thoroughly enjoyed last years Uniforum and intend going to the next one, regardless of venue and, hopefully, cost. Although the raw talent from Kiwi speakers is high (as we found out last year), I would still look forward to attending some presentations by our international peers. If the Hamilton location puts a shadow on this, perhaps the Auckland venue should be given more consideration. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2003 11:43 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: NZNOG 2003 In July of last year I posted to this list asking people to express their preferences between one of two different formats for an NZNOG gathering for this year. As I described them then, the options were: "1/ UniForum NZ Roger De Salis has volunteered to act as convenor for next year's UniForum NZ conference. In general terms, his intention is to stage a conference similar in structure to this year's, though with Linux content much more focussed toward a business audience, and in general a stronger programme. NZNOG would be welcome to participate on more or less the same basis as this year, though presumably making up a smaller proportion of a larger conference. This would probably be at around the same time of year and probably in Auckland. 2/ The University of Waikato The University of Waikato have offered to host a NZNOG gathering, to be held at their main campus in Hamilton. This would be a stand-alone event, with the university providing administrative staff time for registrations and the like. No decision has been made as to when this would be. If held outside university terms, e.g. in February, accommodation on campus would be available at a cost of approximately $35 per night. There would be a cost for the venue, but this would be well below the rate a hotel would charge. The Hamilton option is likely to have a significantly lower cost. It is possible that a university setting would discourage sponsors, who provided a good number of overseas speakers this year. On the other hand, the likely venue photographs well and we haven't asked them yet." I received exactly one clear statement of a preference. A subsequent posting by Tony McGregor confirmed that he was confident that a gathering at The University of Waikato could keep its registration fee very low, possibly as low as zero. I know that Roger De Salis has continued to work on content for a UniForum conference, and intends a Next-Generation Internet stream for that. I'd like now to hear back from people who would actually plan to attend one or other if it were offered a) whether they have a clear preference for one format or the other, and b) whether they're in a position to do any work towards making something happen. If you're making a general comment, by all means send it to the list, but please send statements of personal preference just to me. I plan to summarise feedback more or less as I receive it. - Donald Neal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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