October 2004 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Re: [nznog] Networkstuff promotion
by Michael Hallager 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

> A few months ago I was approached by Whitebox Express (Colin Brown - ex > PC Company) about going on their mailing list, but they didn't just > start sending me mail without asking, I got an email saying would I like > to be added, and if I DID want to be added then I could reply saying so. > They didn't just add me and then expect me to unsubscribe if I didn't > want to hear from them. What you describe is exactly what I did. It was always an OPT IN mailing list. All people received was a relevant, targetted and professional ONE OFF INVITATION. However some people, including many who never actually received the email, have jumped on the "spam" bandwagon. The few who have contacted me - I have done the right thing for them. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Networkstuff promotion
by Keith Davidson 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Neil G wrote: > >From: Keith Davidson >>For my part, I will inform as many people as I can that they should >>never deal with networkstuff or Michael Hallager on the basis that >>he is a spammer. > > Well, I'm not sorry I called Michael on this but I have one thing to > say... > > Sheee-it! If I ever make a stupid public mistake on this list, please let > me > have the good sense to publically and promptly apologise. Indeed. Instead, I got the following charming personal "apology" from Michael Hallager the spammer: --<cut>-- And I will likewise about yourself. grow up. your name is now on the blacklist. you will not be contacted again. > For my part, I will inform as many people as I can that they should never > deal with networkstuff or Michael Hallager on the basis that he is a > spammer. --<paste> Keith Davidson <who thought he was fully grown up>

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RE: [nznog] Spam from local sources?
by Donald Neal 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

As Ewen McNeill put it, > From: Ewen McNeill [mailto:ewen(a)naos.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 9:02 p.m. > To: Mark Foster > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Spam from local sources? [...] > Meanwhile the reaction is hopefully a sufficient demonstration that > sending advertising (spam) to "individuals who we have found > on the New > Zealand internet" is fairly counter productive if your aim is > to attract > new customers. Particularly when the spam goes to those involved in > running the networks. > > So hopefully there will not be a repeat. The same could usefully be said of much of this thread's content. This thread has long since ceased to have any operational relevance it may just possibly once have possessed. I also see too little of the respect for other subscribers which the AUP requires. Repeat contributors who don't stop now can expect to see warnings as described in paragraph ten of the AUP. There are lots of high-volume forums on the interweb which aren't expecially focussed on a particular subject. This isn't one of them. - Donald Neal Donald Neal |Palmerdale: Are you in charge here? Technical Specialist |The Doctor: No, but I'm full of Operations Engineering | ideas. Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Spam from local sources?
by NZNOG＠neilnz.com 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Anyone else received any spam today from a local, un-named company? I'm trying to track down where he got my email address from... And yes, he is a member of this list. I thought people on here should know better than this!!! N.

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Re: Re: [nznog] Re: Networkstuff promotion
by Jonny Martin 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

> crap > more crap So how about that Telstra outage then... Jonny.

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Networkstuff promotion
by Michael Hallager 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Hello all. I have just gone through and added a few names to the no-contact list although only about 50% of the people posting so far in this subject so far were ever emailed in the first place. At last count, about 5 or 6. The actions of some in threatening mail blocks and in continuing this on NZNOG has made it rather hard for me to asertain who would like to be added. I have already discussed it with others, some who would rather keep the pot boiling... for no obvious reason.... I have tried to sort this out with as many people as possible. So I repeat - contact me directly with your details and it will happen. I sincerely apologise again to all who were offended. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Spam from local sources?
by Ewen McNeill 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

In message <Pine.LNX.4.56.0410102013390.12121(a)babylon.blakjak.net>, Mark Foster writes: >>[Regarding an apparently fairly widespread email to people "involved >> in the local internet / computer industry."] > >Speaking of which; any representatives of Michael's upstream present on >the list? If so you can colour this as an official complaint about the UCE >from Michael Hallager as he obviously doesn't see the reason that NZNOG >have such a low opinion of him. I sent a report to abuse@$UPSTREAMISP around 17:30 with full details. I assume someone at $UPSTREAMISP will deal with it tomorrow. Meanwhile the reaction is hopefully a sufficient demonstration that sending advertising (spam) to "individuals who we have found on the New Zealand internet" is fairly counter productive if your aim is to attract new customers. Particularly when the spam goes to those involved in running the networks. So hopefully there will not be a repeat. Ewen

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RE: [nznog] Spam from local sources?
by NZNOG＠neilnz.com 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Michael, after sending spam (presumably to a bunch of people on this list) you shouldn't be throwing stones. I sent the email to the list at 5:14pm although Paradise didn't pass it on until just after 6pm... In any case, I sent the email to the list before I heard from you - and to be honest I don't give spammers the courtesy of assuming they'll reply intelligently or in a timely fashion (Which you did, however). Cheers - Neil G -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 7:03 p.m. To: Neil(a)neilnz.com Subject: Re: [nznog] Spam from local sources? We have had this discussion and I thought that we settled the matter. Why are you trying to stir? Michael > Anyone else received any spam today from a local, un-named company? > I'm trying to track down where he got my email address from... And > yes, he is a member of this list. > > I thought people on here should know better than this!!! > > N. > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the APE and/or WIX route servers so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers, you will maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of APE and/or WIX routes. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: FAILED: (fwd) - Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:52:09 +1300 (NZDT) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410081642280.1327(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: aut-num: AS9889 as-name: NZRR-AS9889 descr: Maxnet descr: initially peering at '202.7.0.116' descr: see Citylink RT job #1320 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS9889 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: alastair.johnson(a)maxnet.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20041008 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: aut-num: AS9889 as-name: NZRR-AS9889 descr: Maxnet admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS9889 import: from AS9560 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9560 announce AS9889 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: alastair.johnson(a)maxnet.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20041008 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the APE and/or WIX route servers so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers, you will maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of APE and/or WIX routes. --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS9889 descr: Route set advertised to AS9439 by Maxnet - AS9889 members: 202.14.217.0/24^24-29, 202.27.204.0/24^24-29, 202.36.70.0/24^24-29, 202.37.72.0/24^24-29, 202.37.181.0/24^24-29, 202.50.167.0/24^24-29, 202.89.32.0/19^19-29, 210.55.29.0/24^24-29, 210.55.100.0/22^22-29, 210.55.104.0/22^22-29, 210.55.110.0/24^24-29, 210.55.155.0/24^24-29, 210.55.169.0/24^24-29, 210.55.214.0/24^24-29, 210.55.230.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: alastair.johnson(a)maxnet.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20041008 source: NZRR

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