August 2004 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

Paradise Issues Today
by Tristram Cheer 16 Aug '04

16 Aug '04

Hey All, Can anyone here give me a stright answer as to what has happened to paradise today, both work and our clients in wellington have had issues twice today for peroids of upto 1 hour each time. Work is on Citylink Connection to Paradise and our clients on DSL and Cable. The first time this morning the paradise helpdesk number was overloaded and we couldnt get an answer, the 2nd time we talked and they said they knew about it and refursed to say anything. Does anyone know anything or do i have to wait a week for them to release a statement? Cheers

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Re: [nznog] Paradise Issues Today
by neil gardner 16 Aug '04

16 Aug '04

>>> Juha Saarinen <juha(a)saarinen.org> 17/08/2004 8:54:27 a.m. >>> >No, no, no... it was leaves on the tracks where the fibre-optic cable >runs. Caused major packet derailment. Seventeen minutes late, water seeping through the cables at Effingham Junction there was a lot of Effingham and a good deal of Blindingham! Twenty-two minutes late, badger ate a juniper at New Malden. Twenty-two minutes late, escaped character, Chessington North. Twenty-two minutes late, fed up by ADSL delays, came by fibre. Slow contractors at Peckham. Apologies to Mr Perrin. Cheers - N. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesyn Research.

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Call for Presentations - NZNOG '05
by Donald Neal 16 Aug '04

16 Aug '04

Call for Presentations NZNOG '05 The next conference of the New Zealand Network Operators' Group is to be held in Hamilton between February 2nd and 4th 2005. Our hosts are the University of Waikato's WAND Network research group. NZNOG meetings provide opportunities for the exchange of technical information and discussion of issues relating to the operation of network services, with particular emphasis on New Zealand. NZNOG invites presentations on relevant topics. Suitable topics include, but are not limited to: Carrier IP network architecures; Internet exchange activities; VoIP deployment; IP Routing theory or practice; Peering policy; Access technologies including mobile and other wireless; Network and service management tools and practices; Other software relevant to network operation. Presentations from researchers and from practitioners are welcomed. Presentations don't need to fit any particular fixed length. Possible formats range from day-long tutorials to very short presentations floating an idea or reporting on a discovery in a less formal manner. Suggestions for topics for presentations or discussions are also welcome. Prospective presenters should in the first case send email to talks(a)nznog.org describing their intended presentation topic, and giving some idea of the level of detail and length of presentation which would suit them. We'd prefer to receive offers to present sooner rather than later, but there is a timetable: By 22 October 2004: All offers to present received By 31 October 2004: All acceptances of presentations notified. By 24 December 2004: Draft presentation slides received By 9 January 2005: Final presentation slides received A limited number of presentation slots may be available after the closing date for topics of unusual timeliness or importance. Further information, as it becomes available, will be posted at http:// www.nznog.org/ . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 16 Aug '04

16 Aug '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: - Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:38:51 +1200 (NZST) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0408161337520.14428(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS23754 descr: Route set for Citylink to WIX members: 203.118.144.0/24, 198.48.0.0/22^22-24, 202.8.44.0/22^22-24, 203.97.231.224/28, 210.48.103.0/28, 210.48.103.144/28, 210.48.103.136/29, 203.109.148.24/29, 202.7.4.32/28 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ notify: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040112 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040303 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040322 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040407 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040525 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040617 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040622 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040629 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040813 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS23754 descr: Route set for Citylink to WIX members: 203.118.144.0/24, 198.48.0.0/22^22-24, 202.8.44.0/22^22-24, 203.97.231.224/28, 210.48.103.0/28, 210.48.103.144/28, 210.48.103.136/29, 203.109.148.24/29, 203.79.85.80/29, 202.7.4.32/28 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ notify: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040112 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040303 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040322 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040407 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040525 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040617 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040622 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040629 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040813 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040816 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 15 Aug '04

15 Aug '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: aut-num: AS4831 as-name: NZRR-AS4831 descr: BDT Ltd descr: initially peering at '202.7.1.3' descr: see Citylink RT job #956 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS4831 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: matt(a)nzcity.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040816 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.36.76.0/23 descr: Route for BDT Ltd - AS4831 origin: AS4831 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: matt(a)nzcity.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040816 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 210.48.127.0/24 descr: Route for BDT Ltd - AS4831 origin: AS4831 notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: matt(a)nzcity.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040816 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS4831 descr: Route set advertised to AS9439 by BDT Ltd - AS4831 members: 202.36.76.0/23^23-29, 210.48.127.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: matt(a)nzcity.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040816 source: NZRR

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Telecom UBS "not the service recommended by the Commission"
by Juha Saarinen 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

No, not unlimited beer service, but the wholesale DSL thing. In case you've missed it, have a read of these two: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/16FA6ACE360C15CACC256EEF003360DD http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3584222 I received a media release late yesterday as well, which isn't up on the ComCom Web site yet. Here's a snippet from it: 'Current UBS not the service recommended by the Commission The Commerce Commission is advising businesses that the Unbundled Bitstream Service (UBS) currently being offered commercially by Telecom New Zealand differs significantly from the regulated bitstream service, recommended by the Commission in its unbundling report to the Minister of Communications, and due to come into force shortly. The Commission has become aware that the service being currently offered by Telecom has more limited characteristics than the bitstream service recommended by the Commission. "I would be concerned if telecommunications industry participants signed up to the current Telecom commercial offer under the impression that it was a proxy for the regulated service." said Telecommunications Commissioner Douglas Webb. ' The Commission's bitstream service isn't modelled on the Jetsurf 1GB plan or any Telecom retail plan. Looking at the service description, the commission requires a max upstream of 128Kbit/s and must "have an average of not less than 256Kbit/s" for the downstream, with a throughput rate for end users that mustn't be less than 32Kbit/s. -- Juha

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: - Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:23:25 +1200 (NZST) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0408131522270.3688(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS23754 descr: Route set for Citylink to WIX members: 203.118.144.0/24, 198.48.0.0/22, 202.8.44.0/22^22-24, 203.97.231.224/28, 210.48.103.0/28, 210.48.103.144/28, 210.48.103.136/29, 203.109.148.24/29, 202.7.4.32/28 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ notify: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040112 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040303 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040322 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040407 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040525 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040617 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040622 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040629 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS23754 descr: Route set for Citylink to WIX members: 203.118.144.0/24, 198.48.0.0/22^22-24, 202.8.44.0/22^22-24, 203.97.231.224/28, 210.48.103.0/28, 210.48.103.144/28, 210.48.103.136/29, 203.109.148.24/29, 202.7.4.32/28 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ notify: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040112 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040303 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040322 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040407 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040525 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040617 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040622 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040629 changed: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz 20040813 source: NZRR

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Re: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream
by J S Russell 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote: > not really wanting to say this but... thats assuming that you use it > 24hrs a day, the average user(not my average use, or probably yours > but...) doesnt use their net connection 24hrs a day, assuming the > average user does 8 hrs a day(a fairly high average I'd have throught), > thats 12kbytes a second, which is just about fine. I'd have throught the > average user would be somewhere nearer to 4 or maybe 6 hours a day, but > anyway. Well, see now, my home machines actually tend to keep doing things via the internet, even when I'm not physically sitting in front of them and looking at stuff in a browser. In fact, I (and most of the people reading this list) tend to be use _less_ traffic at home than "power users" - because all our personal high-bandwidth p2p apps and audio/video streams and suchlike live on servers which tend to be connected to ISP core networks, or live in ISP co-location space. 12K/sec is "fine"? Great! I think I'd like to listen to Twisted Radio's high-quality web stream, and also .... oh, wait, I was going to talk about some other common internet stuff there, but I've pretty much already used up most of 12K/sec. Well, perhaps I'll turn all that stuff off, plunk myself down on the couch, fire up the xbox and pull up one of r2's high-quality video streams to watch on ... oh, no, I guess I sure as hell won't be doing that. And neither will anyone else at 256Kbits/sec, flat rate or not-flat rate. Because 256Kbits/sec is obscenely slow. A key point here is not to think about what most people currently do with their internet connection, it's to think about what they _could_ be doing if they had _real_ broadband. The lost opportunities from this lack of connectivity is the thing that people ought to really be mad about. A 256Kbits/sec bit rate, of which you will be allowed to sustain a fraction thereof, on a service which can do _8Mbits/sec_ is frankly, a load of ass. There are test residential FTTP installations in prodution elsewhere_right now_. True optical to the home - not science fiction, if you live in the right place you can just Go Buy One. I can see that from Telecom if it gets here - 10GBits/sec to the home, and you get a full 10Gbits/sec if you connect to Telecoms content server domains or gaming realms, and if you go anywhere else ... well, as you've pointed out, 12K/sec is "fine" isn't it? Speaking of which, I must point out yet again, The Telecom ADSL product somehow can do a full 8Mbits/sec speed flat-rate _FREE_ connection to one national platform (Jetstreamgames) yet somehow is "not provisioned" to do more than 10GB/month to another national platform (Any Non-Telecom ISP). Hell, TCNZ, I'll just run some optical cable over to wherever your JSG servers are, and .. oh, no, can't do that either. Why? "Policy", last time I asked. As I said in an earlier post to NZNOG, it's just Business As Usual. And you can't blame Telecom for it, they're just trying to protect their stock price and dividend, it's what they're legally obliged to do! It is, however, the job of the government to point at corporate interests and say "Oi! You're in a monopolistic position with regards to this resource, and we're _ordering_ you to do something that you naturally wouldn't do and open it up to others!" That didn't happen, though, did it? I am beginning to agree with other users on this thread. Let's put some alternate infrastructre in place and get some competition going. Woosh wireless manage to offer a flat-rate 256Kbits/sec connection over _cellular_ equipment for chrissakes! No cables AND it's portable! ICONZ Wireless on Waiheke offers 2Mbits/sec symmetical wireless connections, the largest of which offer 10GB of _international_ access for less than $99/month and throws in free totally unmetered line-speed flat-rate domestic access and that's _RETAIL_, not a pretend wholesale product. Sod this ADSL thing - it's damage - route around it. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.

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Telecom a Joke
by Terence 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Three weeks ago I put an order in for Jetstream, for our Richmond Office. Just thought I would call to find out what was happening with the connection. Xtra said that they have run out of ports at the exchange and that I am in a waiting queue for one to come available. They will give no time or date, or if they are going to upgrade the exchange. How much profit did they make last year ?. What about some re investment. Disclaimer : These figures could be wrong 795 mil profit 4 mil people. Annoyed Terence Blyth Managing Director Computer Technologies Ltd 19 Alma Street Box 584, Nelson New Zealand Phone ++ 643 545 9001 Fax ++ 643 545 9002 www.ctec.co.nz PRIVILEGED - PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information, which is confidential or privileged. If you receive this email and you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the email to the addressee), please disregard the contents of the email, delete the email and notify the author immediately.

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Re: [nznog] Unbudled Bitstream
by Hamish MacEwan 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hurrah JSR! > A key point here is not to think about what most people currently do > with their internet connection, it's to think about what they _could_ > be doing if they had _real_ broadband. The lost opportunities from > this lack of connectivity is the thing that people ought to really be > mad about. Exactly. I've met a number of people who deny they have even a Claytons broadband connection in ADSL, since they are unable to use it for fear of exceeding their capacity to enrich Telecom. The 10GB cap on the leisurely 256K we are to be doled out amounts to about a 14% duty-cycle. And I'm bemused as to the location of the "unbundling" in UBS? It looks more and more like it it well and truly bundled to avoid the inconvenience of competition for Telecom. > I am beginning to agree with other users on this thread. Let's put some > alternate infrastructre in place and get some competition going. You ever disagreed with that? Hope truly springs eternal... > Sod this ADSL thing - it's damage - route around it. <grin>, a line from a Digital Strategy response I'm working on: "The Internet was designed for resilience and its ability to route around damage is legend. This ability has often been interpreted to indicate that whatever the Internet routes around is damage, as in the classic, "The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." The Internet may provide a way to route around the legacy "Last mile," and the closed proprietary Central Office." > JSR Hamish. -- The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better.

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