November 2006 - NZNOG - lists.nznog.org

list.waikato.ac.nz Has Moved
by Donald Neal 11 Dec '24

11 Dec '24

NZNOG-People, I have just finished migrating all of the mailing lists held at The University of Waikato from one server to another. I don't have any reason to believe that anything's gone wrong, but please bear with me for today if it turns out that something has. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal | Q: How many Aucklanders does it take to change Systems Programmer/Analyst | a light bulb? The University of Waikato | A: Pass me that candle and I'll tell you. Hamilton, New Zealand | --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Sort of OT: are there any "Internet enabled" temperature sens ors/servers for Auckland?
by Greg Clare 18 Aug '21

18 Aug '21

May not be exactly what you are after? However DSE have an Internet weather station at the Albany HQ. http://www.dse.gen.nz/public/webdata/weather.htm Regards Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2002 2:47 pm > To: NZNOG > Subject: Sort of OT: are there any "Internet enabled" temperature > sensors/servers for Auckland? > > > Measuring the outside temperature, with geographic location given. > > -- > Juha > Take off every sig! > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Charging for IPv6
by Philip D'Ath 24 Aug '08

24 Aug '08

Initially those transit providers and ISPs that do offer IPv6 transit will be able to charge for this service as it will be a premium value add. However I can't see this business model being able to last for more than 6 years (through to 2012), and possibly only three years. After this point in time I expect IPv6 deployment will be standard, and will no longer be a premium service offering - it will be the standard offering, like IPv4 is today. Once IPv4 has become exhausted and you can't actually give a customer an IPv4 address then you definitely wont be able to charge more for IPv6 - otherwise the customer will walk. So do providers start implementing slowly now, and recoup some of their investment while they can, or wait till they are forced to do the upgrades and are not able to recoup any of their "new" investment. Rhetorical question.

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Dec '07

31 Dec '07

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IPv4 Exhaustion
by Philip D'Ath 11 Dec '06

11 Dec '06

I attended a very interesting presentation today by Tony Bain, one of the key IETF IPv6 chairs. He says that the rate of /8's being allocated is increasing exponentially at that moment (22 were allocated in 18 months [till July 2005], leaving just 64 available worldwide), and the prior estimate of when IPv4 address was going to be exhausted of 2020 has been revised to 2009 - as in three years away, and that IPv4 address space is likely to take on a much more commercially tradable value as it becomes very rare (like oil). For existing players in the market this doesn't mean much. However for expanding networks this is going to put a serious crimp in their plans. I polled a lot of players in the NZ market about 6 months ago and plans for IPv6 deployment were almost non-existent. There is an older article he wrote here: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_8-3/ipv4. html We really need large commercial transit players like Global Gateway, TelstraClear, AT&T, UUNet, AsiaNetCom, and Sprint to start offering dual stack IPv6 connections to downstream ISPs, and for ISPs to start allowing clients to connection via IPv6, including via DSL. We really need to get critical infrastructure, like DNS, fully IPv6 enabled. The .nz domain isn't even reachable via IPv6 addresses yet. Now I know the shared registry system has IPv6 support now, but it is limiting in that you must still supply IPv4 addresses. You can't supply only IPv6 glue records. What happens when you can't get IPv4 addresses to use for glue? Also the majority of the registries out their offer very poor IPv6 support - as in no IPv6 connected DNS servers, and an inability to easily add IPv6 AAAA records.

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Moving DNS providers - best practice.
by Simon Lyall 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

After a few recent instances I am getting sick of companies who transfer their DNS/Servers from one provider to another and then wonder why the old data is still cached by 3rd parties for 24 hours (or whatever). How do people feel about a "best practice" document on this that we could encourage people to follow ( perhaps the DNC could publish) for people moving their domain between providers. Just the basics like, dropping the TTLs, getting all the servers data in the right order etc? Similar to this: http://www.onr.com/services/data_center/colocation/transfer_tips.html Thoguhts? -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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FW:Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators
by Jeremy Simons 02 Dec '06

02 Dec '06

Statement from TeamTalk Kordia supplies services to TeamTalk and we have a longstanding relationship with Kordia. They are one of our preferred suppliers and we are happy with our commercial arrangements. TeamTalk did not authorise the release of any Kordia material. The statement in question was sent to a junior member of TeamTalk's staff who contrary to company policy copied it to Jonathan Brewer of Araneo. We are treating the matter very seriously and are taking steps to ensure that such a breach of policy does not occur again. It is important to note that the item quoted was one paragraph from a complex 25-page document and was taken out of context. We value our relationship with Kordia and regret that this incident has occurred Jeremy Simons General Manager - Operations TeamTalk Limited ____________________________________________ Jeremy Simons General Manager - Operations TeamTalk Limited How Work Gets Done Phone: ++64 4 802 1478 Mobile: ++64 21 715 390 Fax: ++64 4 802 1490 <mailto:jsimons(a)teamtalk.co.nz> Mail to: jsimons(a)teamtalk.co.nz Disclaimer: The information in this electronic mail message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. TeamTalk Limited accepts no responsibility for any effects this email message or attachments has on the recipient network or computer system.

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Re: [nznog] FW: Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators
by Dean Pemberton 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

> List moderator, is it possible to remove this list from the archives? I think we've been through this before, and the answer is no. There is all sorts of things in the archives that people would like to have removed. The answer has always been no. Infact way back in time there was a HUGE argument about it. Where people offered to just make alternative, REAL versions of the archives with the removed posts. It got really nasty. Dean (In his ad-hoc role as NZNOG historian)

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FW: Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators
by Jonathan Brewer 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

Hi Folks, I'm afraid my question may have breached a confidentiality agreement and we are getting angry phone calls from our supplier, so please disregard my email earlier today and delete any references to it from your inbox if that is possible. List moderator, is it possible to remove this list from the archives? Thanks, Jonathan Brewer > ______________________________________________ > From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)araneo.net.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2006 9:42 a.m. > To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Subject: Electricity Reforms Act and Diesel Generators > > Hi Folks, > > We telehouse at a number of facilities throughout New Zealand. We > typically provide our own batteries and contract for use of an on-site > diesel generator. At most sites we are not able to put in our own > generator. > > We were recently informed by Kordia (BCL) that they can no longer allow us > to use standby generator power at their sites due to the Electricity > Reforms Act. > > "BCL is deemed to be a Line Company under the Electricity Reforms Act and > therefore is unable to also be classified as a Generator. On that basis, > BCL is no longer able to provide you with Standby Generator Power for > upgrades to existing or new services." > > This effectively bars us from providing carrier grade telecommunications > services from BCL sites. > > One might say "use different sites" or "build your own towers", but these > are not options as these towers were built by the government before the > times of the Resource Management Act in unique locations where new towers > cannot be built. > > Can they do this? Are they doing this to everyone, or just us? > > Thanks, > > Jonathan Brewer

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Re: [nznog] THE SKY IS FALLING ( was Re: IPv4 Exhaustion)
by Scott Weeks 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

: The past 10+ years of work on IPv6 nee IPng have taught : many lessons about what will and will not work (and more : importantly what will be accepted or not). Exactly. I NEED to multihome. I won't accept not being able to do that. No provider is going to be good enough that I trust ALL of my connectivity with them and no one else. That settles it right there. A protocol should not dictate my business practice. : ps - the 100-million number likely came from Alain Durand's : presentation "Managing 100+ Million IP Addresses" WRT "Managing 100+ Million IP Addresses", I see the following chart. (apologies for the formatting. It's on page 6 at www.nanog.org/mtg-0606/pdf/alain-durand.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Triple Play Effect on the Use of IP Addresses 2005 2006+ HSD only Triple Play Cable Modem 1(private only) 1 Home Computer/Router 1 1 eMTA (Voice adaptor) 0 1 – 2 Set Top Box (STB) 0 2 Total number of IP addresses(assume 2.5 1 – 2 8 – 9 STB per household) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What STB needs 2 IPs per box? The way we're doing it is one private IP per STB and one STB per television set, so that's 2-3 private IPs per household. One public IP per customer for Internet and we're not going for VoIP until later. Perhaps they have one STB per household no matter the number of television sets? Also, I see they have 20-30 ASNs. Are all 20M customers going to be in one AS? I wouldn't expect that. Finally, with VPRNs addresses could be reused. Just put the customers in different VPRNs and duplicate the address scheme. It's 'divide and conquer' methodology. I'm a noobie to VPRNs, so flame me if this isn't feasible. I have doused my flameproof underpants with beer, so I'm protected... :-) scott --- jejs+lists(a)sahala.org wrote: From: "joshua sahala" <jejs+lists(a)sahala.org> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] THE SKY IS FALLING ( was Re: IPv4 Exhaustion) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:42:35 +1300 (NZDT) I find it slightly ironic that those screaming the loudest for IPv6 seem to have the most poorly researched assertions regarding the death of IPv4. (I am of course ignoring the obvious stupidity of things like IPv8/9/16) Who are the loudest proponents of IPv6? I tend to agree with the evaluation presented in Todd Underwood's blog: vendors, consultants, and the protocol designers themselves... (http://www.renesys.com/blog/2006/03/bashing_ipv6_at_telecomnext.shtml) If IPv6 is the answer, what was the question again? Perhaps it is time to accept that IPv6 is the wrong answer (or we need to start asking better questions), take the lessons learned from its failure, and start again. The past 10+ years of work on IPv6 nee IPng have taught many lessons about what will and will not work (and more importantly what will be accepted or not). There are many fundamental problems with the protocol that no amount of marketecture or hand-waving will fix; the least of which is a lack of end-users calling for a v6 address for their toaster/television/mechanical tie rack. These issue must be addressed, either in IPv6 (not likely), or in IPng-NG :) </soapbox> /joshua ps - the 100-million number likely came from Alain Durand's presentation "Managing 100+ Million IP Addresses" (it says ~20-million customers + kit == 100-million) -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams - _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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