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list.waikato.ac.nz Has Moved
by Donald Neal 12 Dec '24

12 Dec '24

NZNOG-People, I have just finished migrating all of the mailing lists held at The University of Waikato from one server to another. I don't have any reason to believe that anything's gone wrong, but please bear with me for today if it turns out that something has. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal | Q: How many Aucklanders does it take to change Systems Programmer/Analyst | a light bulb? The University of Waikato | A: Pass me that candle and I'll tell you. Hamilton, New Zealand | --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IETF 119 in March 2024 will be in Brisbane
by Jay Daley 17 Jan '24

17 Jan '24

This is a heads-up that the IETF will be returning to the region after a 20+ year absence, meeting in Brisbane 16-22 March 2024. For those that don’t know, the IETF is the premier Internet standards development organisation, responsible for standards such as IPv6, RPKI, QUIC, WebRTC and plenty more. Anyone can participate, no membership is required and most participation is free as it takes place on mailing lists. The IETF is arranged by areas and Network Operators tend to find the Ops and Routing areas the most relevant. Work happens within Working Groups and the list of those for the Ops area can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/#OPS and the Routing are here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/#RTG The IETF meets three times a year for the various Working Groups to push their work forward and this is the only time a fee is charged, to cover the cost of the meetings, but a remote participation fee waiver option is available for those that cannot afford the fee. I’ll post details about this meeting when registration opens. Jay -- Jay Daley jay(a)daley.org.nz +64 21 678840

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Re: sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for faster broadband speeds
by Dave Taht 02 Dec '23

02 Dec '23

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 6:21 PM Tom Samplonius <tom(a)samplonius.org> wrote: > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY… > > > > Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the FCC's > > NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing the > > broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit. > > > The era of “buffer bloat” has passed. Buffer bloat is just about jitter, and jitter mitigation is just better now. I am really not sure what world you live in. Certainly the problem has got much better since 2010, but nearly every network I ever explore still has vast amounts of it. The global south, every coffee shop, and every hotel I have been in, all have major issues here. I make a habit of testing the conference wifi and posting results at every talk. The apartment complex I am staying in this week has a completely saturated backhaul and oversubscribed wifi, with tremendous amounts of delay and packet loss, where more constructive packet loss would help. Google docs is nearly unusable most of the day... and so it goes. I do hope the solutions for bloat continue to roll out globally and we cross this chasm in the next few years. > I don’t think jitter needs to be part of public policy. Congress has mandated a report from the FCC every year about the state of the internet, which is what this attempt at a constructive policy change of focus was about. > > Tom -- :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

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Re: sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for faster broadband speeds
by Dave Taht 01 Dec '23

01 Dec '23

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:55 PM Mel Beckman <mel(a)beckman.org> wrote: > > bufferbloat is rarely fatal This task will put me in my grave, sooner rather than later! > > > LOL! I know one person taht may disagree with that :) > > -mel > > On Dec 1, 2023, at 9:41 AM, Tom Mitchell <tmitchell(a)netelastic.com> wrote: > > > Not sure we need the FCC telling us how to build products or run networks. Seat belts are life-or-death, but bufferbloat is rarely fatal ;-) Let it be a point of differentiation. > > -- Tom > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:56 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Over here: >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY… >> >> Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the FCC's >> NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing the >> broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit. >> >> "Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to calling for >> cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Without >> calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering wheels, >> (or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these initiatives will >> fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of present and future users >> of the internet." >> >> Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat in flux... >> >> >> -- >> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab >> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos -- :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

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Re: sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for faster broadband speeds
by Dave Taht 01 Dec '23

01 Dec '23

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:46 PM Shane Ronan <shane(a)ronan-online.com> wrote: > > If you want money from the government to subsidize your network, you'll follow their rules... It is the misguided focus on too many too simple things from the regulator and Congress, without even understanding what a packet is, and enormous subsidies for things that don't matter, and great mis-understanding of the things that do, that bothers me the most. Anyway, for 14 years, I have been trying to get bufferbloat fixed, universally, and great progress is being made. I felt that with one political push like this, it might begin to turn the tide. We are accepting signatures on the FCC filing until 2PM EST today. https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY… > On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:39 PM Tom Mitchell <tmitchell(a)netelastic.com> wrote: >> >> Not sure we need the FCC telling us how to build products or run networks. Seat belts are life-or-death, but bufferbloat is rarely fatal ;-) Let it be a point of differentiation. >> >> -- Tom >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:56 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Over here: >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY… >>> >>> Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the FCC's >>> NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing the >>> broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit. >>> >>> "Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to calling for >>> cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Without >>> calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering wheels, >>> (or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these initiatives will >>> fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of present and future users >>> of the internet." >>> >>> Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat in flux... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab >>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos -- :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

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sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for faster broadband speeds
by Dave Taht 01 Dec '23

01 Dec '23

Over here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY… Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the FCC's NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing the broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit. "Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to calling for cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Without calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering wheels, (or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these initiatives will fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of present and future users of the internet." Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat in flux... -- :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

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