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4th Global IPv6 Deployment Survey
by Dean Pemberton 01 Jul '13

01 Jul '13

Hi All, The 4th Global IPv6 Deployment Survey is open and will collect information until July 31st The survey is available at https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GlobalIPv6survey2013 and just to save people from having to goto the page to read about it here is the blurb: --------------- We are conducting the 4th Global IPv6 Deployment Survey between 1 July 2013 - 31 July 2013. Results will be compared with the results of the earlier Global Surveys, which will help to better understand the developments with regards to IPv6 preparedness and deployment. This survey is designed by GNKS Consult BV in collaboration with TNO and the Regional Internet Registries, based on a design originally by ARIN/CAIDA in 2008, and has been carried out in 2009 with the support of RIPE NCC and APNIC, and globally, with support from the African Network Information Center (AFRINIC), the American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN), the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC), the Latin American and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) and RIPE NCC , in 2010, 2011 and 2012. The 2013 survey is supported by the EU IPv6 Observatory project (for more information see http://www.ipv6observatory.eu/) In 2012 more than 90% of respondents indicated they would be willing to participate again, this year. The survey is secure and GNKS Consult will keep all data confidential. The data will be used for analysis on IPv6 deployment by ISPs and other stakeholders in the RIR communities around the world, and only presented in summary form. The data will be made available for analysis to the RIRs as well under this same confidentiality clause. It will take about 15 minutes to fill in the survey. We appreciate your time in taking this survey. The results will be made available via the websites of the NRO, the participating RIRs and http://www.gnksconsult.com. For questions or remarks, please send an email to info(a)gnksconsult.com.

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Tools found at Sky Tower
by Simon Paterson 23 Jun '13

23 Jun '13

Hi, While at Sky Tower today, I noticed a small zip-up tool case left on level 48, in a slightly out of the way location. It is still sitting where I saw it. If it's yours, but aren't sure exactly where you left it, reply to me with a description of it, and I'll let you know exactly where it is. Cheers, Simon

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APNIC 36 Call for Papers
by Srinivas Chendi 20 Jun '13

20 Jun '13

________________________________________________________________________ APNIC 36 Conference - Call for Papers ________________________________________________________________________ The APNIC 36 Programme Committee is now seeking tutorials and presentations for the APNIC 36 Conference to be held in Xi'an, China, from 26 - 30 August 2013. We are looking for content which would suit the APOPS Plenary, the technical conference sessions and the tutorials. Key Dates --------- The timeline for submissions is: Call for Papers Opens Now First Round Paper Acceptance 12 July 2013 Final Deadline for Submissions 12 August 2013 Final Round Paper Acceptance 18 August 2013 Final Slides Received 25 August 2013 Submitting Proposals -------------------- http://submission.apnic.net/paper/submit/user/login.php?event=1 Programme Material ------------------ The technical sessions at APNIC 36 will include presentations relevant to Internet operations and technologies. The following topics are examples of possible areas of interest. - IPv4 exhaustion / IPv6 deployment and operations - IPv6 transition / IPv4 prolongation technologies - ISP and Carrier Services - IXPs and Peering - Network security - Access and Transport Technologies - Content and Service Delivery If you have any another ideas or proposals for panel or Birds of Feather sessions, please feel free to submit your ideas via the submission system. If you have any questions, please email the Programme Committee at: program(a)apricot.net For more information about APNIC 36, please visit: http://conference.apnic.net/36 On behalf of: APNIC 36 Programme Committee Co-chairs: Philip Smith, Mark Tinka & Dean Pemberton

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InTAC Conference - Come along, Get Involved, Do Something
by Dean Pemberton 18 Jun '13

18 Jun '13

*Look for the helping opportunity near the end of the message* Hi Everyone, This year, InTAC is being held in Wellington as part of NetHui 2013. You can register online at http://nethui.eventbrite.co.nz. What: InTAC (the Internet Technical Architecture Conference) When: Monday 8 July, 2013 Where: Wellington Town Hall Cost: Free (Registration required) Why should I attend? The New Zealand Internet is like a huge super tanker. The bad news is that it takes a long time to change course if you don't like the direction you're headed. The good news is the earlier you start making those changes the smaller the changes need to make. The InTAC conference will be more than just a collection of technology presentations. This year InTAC will be a collaborative environment designed to focus on outcomes as well as the discussions needed to bring them about. InTAC this year will take a long term view driven by short term actions. The focus of the conference will be around answering the following questions: "What do we want the New Zealand Internet to look like in 5 years?” “What are the 5 actions the industry can perform in the next 5 months to make that future more likely?" Don't miss out on your chance to be part of the technical decisions facing the direction of the New Zealand Internet for the next 5 years. *** Helping opportunity *** I'm also looking for people/organisations to show the attendees a little bit about what they are doing across the next 5 years. To that end if you want to produce me a 2 minute youtube video of any of the following topics, I'll select some to play during the day in order to get attendees heads into that forward looking mode: . What you're up to which has something to do with the Internet (even if it's just a blog to help people find lost cats) . What you need the NZ Internet to provide you (what doesn't it do at the moment that you need it to?) . What you'd be able to provide others if the NZ Internet was just a little different (If it did this, I could save more cats.) . Anything else you think the conference might like to know/hear *** For those keen to stick around for NetHui - being held 8 to 10 July in Wellington - we encourage you to also register for this at http://nethui.eventbrite.co.nz Looking forward to seeing you there. Regards, Dean Pemberton Technical Policy Advisor InternetNZ

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Tender issued for construction of new Trans-Tasman Cable
by Gaurab Raj Upadhaya 13 Jun '13

13 Jun '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought this is good development in the context of the discussion on NZNOG a few months ago. http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/tender-issued-construction-new-telecommunica… Excerpt: Thursday, 13 June, 2013 - 09:05 The three telecommunications companies that intend to co-invest in a new submarine cable between New Zealand and Australia have issued a tender for the cable’s construction. Several international submarine cable contractors have been invited to tender for the Tasman Global Access (TGA) Cable and all have indicated strong interest in responding. - -gaurab - -- http://www.gaurab.org.np/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.19 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG7SPUACgkQSo7fU26F3X26HQCfRIrG/QyigTdt1Onfz+e1LLkk 1ogAoJa02TDgQupChaqC9Dm1yHvRdyk+ =r3U0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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IANA AS Numbers registry update
by Leo Vegoda 11 Jun '13

11 Jun '13

Hi, The IANA AS Numbers registry has been updated to reflect two changes. LACNIC has returned the range 61440-62463 in exchange for a block composed of two non-contiguous ranges: 61440-61951 263168-263679 Both ranges were allocated today. You can find the IANA AS Numbers registry at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers Regards, Leo Vegoda leo.vegoda(a)icann.org ******************************************* Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Phone: +1 310 301 5800 Fax: +1-310-823-8649 *******************************************

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Fwd: [outages] Open Resolver Project
by Joe Abley 11 Jun '13

11 Jun '13

There seem to be a non-trivial number of open resolvers in the few NZ ASes I just checked. It would be good if there was a concerted effort into shutting them down, or otherwise neutering them so that they can't be effective amplifiers for DDoS attacks. This is last decade's open mail relay problem, except with less spam, more packet love. Begin forwarded message: > From: Jared Mauch <jared(a)puck.nether.net> > Subject: [outages] Open Resolver Project > Date: 7 May 2013 10:52:53 EDT > To: "outages(a)outages.org" <outages(a)outages.org> > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) > > The Open Resolver Project made a mistake in the automation process of the weekly data import. If you're unaware of what it is, I suggest looking at the website - openresolverproject.org > > If you operate a DNS server, or are a network operator, you should check your IP space for Open Resolvers. These are used in DDoS attacks and pose a significant risk to the global network. > > The website has been restored to operation, but please take a moment and check your IPv4 space. > > If you want a report based on your ASN, please e-mail dns-scan(a)puck.nether.net from a corporate e-mail address or something matching the RIR database entry. > > Thanks, > > - jared > _______________________________________________ > Outages mailing list > Outages(a)outages.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages

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Re: [nznog] [outages] Open Resolver Project
by Pete Mundy 10 Jun '13

10 Jun '13

If you don't like the answers, don't query the server? > On 11/06/2013, at 9:13 PM, Sebastian Castro <sebastian(a)nzrs.net.nz> wrote: > >> Please please avoid to do this at all costs... I've seen those "clever >> tricks" before and they cause more breakage than desired. Specially >> those deploying v6 networks see those tricks as a pain, because A >> records are rewritten but not AAAA records >

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Re: [nznog] [outages] Open Resolver Project
by Pete Mundy 10 Jun '13

10 Jun '13

I can confirm that Mac OS X at least does this (it only queries the resolvers of your highest priority IPv4 interface as defined by the 'Set Service Order' option in the Network section of System Preferences). No beer required for sharing this feedback ;) Pete On 11/06/2013, at 8:41 PM, Nathan Ward <nznog(a)daork.net> wrote: > If you receive (via DHCP) a DNS server over the wireless network, are modern operating systems intelligent enough to only send queries to that DNS server out that interface?

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Re: [nznog] NZNOG Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3
by Rowan Smith 09 Jun '13

09 Jun '13

Speaking from personal experience in Wellington around 2005-2006, I found Unlimited Potential http://up.org.nz/ a great way to meet people that work around the industry and hear what it's really like on the ground and also what hiring managers look for in a candidate. The most important thing I learned from this experience is not to expect any handouts, but take comfort in the fact that most people are very supportive and willing to hear and share ideas. The hard news to take, is that no matter how good you are, you generally have to start somewhere simple and prove yourself for some years. This is definitely true for larger employers, but the more people you talk to the more opportunities you will discover. Feel free to message me off list with any questions, always happy to use my experiences in helping others on a similar path. Rowan Smith Cheers Rowan On 10 June 2013 12:00, <nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > Send NZNOG mailing list submissions to > nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nznog-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NZNOG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mentoring Groups (Jed Laundry) > 2. Re: Mentoring Groups (Dean Pemberton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 16:25:29 +1200 > From: Jed Laundry <jlaundry(a)jlaundry.com> > To: Jonathan Robins <jonathan(a)tron.net.nz> > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Mentoring Groups > Message-ID: > <CALYPt1RtG4OttpSUJxbpvVnvLTQ+Mn_JBPJCfP=Lr6yA= > EtYkw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey, > > Nothing that I know of; are you volunteering to organise? > > Thanks, > Jed. > > Sent from a small screen. > On 7/06/2013 4:42 PM, "Jonathan Robins" <jonathan(a)tron.net.nz> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Would be interested to know if anyone is aware of any mentoring groups > out > > there that are targeted at High School leavers to help guide those that > are > > keen to join the telecommunications industry? > > > > Cheers > > > > Jonathan > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/**mailman/listinfo/nznog< > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog> > > >

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Zone and host scanning by NZRS
by Jay Daley 09 Jun '13

09 Jun '13

Hi Sorry no beer here. Once a month we run a scan on the .nz zone to collect some IPv6 stats which are then provided to the IPv6 taskforce. This has been going for a while with no problems reported. We now plan to expand this scanning, partly to provide better stats on the use of DNS, like this above, and partly to help .nz run better. For example by detecting lame delegations and telling our registrars about this. As well as more DNS scanning we are also planning web site home page scanning for a very limited set of data related to .nz. For example finding out how many web sites in .nz use an SSL cert and would benefit from moving to storing details about these in DNS (see the IETF DANE WG for details - http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dane/charter/) Before we expand our scanning we've published a draft practice statement that sets out in detail what we are doing, why we are doing it and how we will do it and we want to hear what people have to say about that. We're not aware of anyone else creating and publishing a doc like this so this is very much new ground. The practice statement is here: http://nzrs.net.nz/dns/zone-and-host-scanning and we welcome comments on it. cheers Jay

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Mentoring Groups
by Jonathan Robins 09 Jun '13

09 Jun '13

Hi, Would be interested to know if anyone is aware of any mentoring groups out there that are targeted at High School leavers to help guide those that are keen to join the telecommunications industry? Cheers Jonathan

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Level One GVT-1000 SFP Media Converter in Trendnet TFC-1600 Fibre Chassis
by Alexander Neilson 06 Jun '13

06 Jun '13

I have a Level One GVT-1000 SFP to 1Gbps transceiver that looks like it should fit inside my TrendNET TFC-1600 chassis system http://www.flickr.com/photos/30026567(a)N04/8975140328/in/set-7215763398094… Top is the Level One and bottom is a TrendNET known compatible (but not useful in this situation) media converter. Has anyone got any experience using this hardware together? if so was is compatible / successful? I can use it stand alone if it won't work but I mainly want to avoid blowing it up. It would be a waste to use it stand alone (and a lot messier in the POP) if I can use the perfectly good chassis already waiting there for me. I will test it and come back with results if anyone else would like to know Off list replies are welcomed. Apologies if this breaches the charter. I had a read and felt it was close enough but happy to accept any feedback. Also if somebody knows of a supplier with in country supplies of chassis / standalone TrendNET and Transition Networks media converters (fixed laser and SFP Types) could they please let me know off list. Regards Alexander

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Re: [nznog] Another Brocade question for my favorite mailing list
by McDonald Richards 03 Jun '13

03 Jun '13

CES/CER can handle 1000 LSPs (lsp tunnels) before they stop making new ones. This can be an issue if you're letting your entire Cisco LDP domain pollute them. MLX would be a good order of magnitude larger but I don't have a specific figure. Have tested and used MTUs of 9000+ for VLL with no issues. Have tested and used MTUs of 4000+ for VPLS with some issues although this is the smaller CES platform and there may have been some feature gap in the Ironware version I was using at the time (MLX will have more features around this). QinQ works fine if you do port mode VLLs. Also have tested it working in a "raw" VPLS environment (port mode again). In case that’s not clear, port mode would be where you have all client ports as untagged. Raw mode every time if you ever want to do inter-op. This will set the VC-type to 5 and indicates that the port is transparent – from memory Cisco have this as a default in IOS. Macca From: Sam Russell <sam.h.russell(a)gmail.com<mailto:sam.h.russell(a)gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, 4 June 2013 12:05 PM To: "nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz<mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> Subject: [nznog] Another Brocade question for my favorite mailing list Hi, The interop stuff was a resounding success, and the details are at http://pieknywidok.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/brocade-and-juniper-interop-ospf-… if anyone is interested. I'm now trying to engineer it so we can add Juniper devices while changing as little Brocade config as possible. Can anyone help me with the following questions: - How many LSPs can a Brocade MLX4/MLX8 handle before it falls over? We have a mesh of 15 chassis, and the output of "show mpls memory" looks like this: Mem-Type Alloc BytesAlloc TotalAlloc TotalFree AllocPeak AllocFail FreeFail LSP 28 25760 369 341 28 0 0 Does this mean that it's full? The documentation is sparse, I'm hoping someone else has gone down that rabbit hole and found an answer for me :) - What MTU are people using for VLL/VPLS? - Has anyone got QinQ working with VLL/VPLS on a Brocade? - Does anyone have a preference for raw mode vs tagged mode for VLL and VPLS? Cheers Sam

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Another Brocade question for my favorite mailing list
by Sam Russell 03 Jun '13

03 Jun '13

Hi, The interop stuff was a resounding success, and the details are at http://pieknywidok.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/brocade-and-juniper-interop-ospf-… if anyone is interested. I'm now trying to engineer it so we can add Juniper devices while changing as little Brocade config as possible. Can anyone help me with the following questions: - How many LSPs can a Brocade MLX4/MLX8 handle before it falls over? We have a mesh of 15 chassis, and the output of "show mpls memory" looks like this: Mem-Type Alloc BytesAlloc TotalAlloc TotalFree AllocPeak AllocFail FreeFail LSP 28 25760 369 341 28 0 0 Does this mean that it's full? The documentation is sparse, I'm hoping someone else has gone down that rabbit hole and found an answer for me :) - What MTU are people using for VLL/VPLS? - Has anyone got QinQ working with VLL/VPLS on a Brocade? - Does anyone have a preference for raw mode vs tagged mode for VLL and VPLS? Cheers Sam

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IANA AS Numbers registry update
by Selina Harrington 30 May '13

30 May '13

The IANA AS Numbers registry has been updated to reflect the allocation of 1 block to ARIN in 2013-05-30: 62464-63487 You can find the IANA AS Numbers registry at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers/as-numbers.xml Regards, Selina Harrington ******************************************* Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Phone: +1 310 301 5800 Fax: +1-310-823-8649 *******************************************

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Fwd: [wellylug] Next meeting 17th Jun 6pm
by Hugh Davenport 28 May '13

28 May '13

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [wellylug] Next meeting 17th Jun 6pm Date: 2013-05-23 13:01 From: Hugh Davenport <hugh(a)davenport.net.nz> To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug(a)lists.wellylug.org.nz> Reply-To: Hi All, Thank you heaps for those who came to the social meetup the other week. I caught a few of you there when I finally arrived, and you seemed like a interesting bunch of people. I'm happy to announce that I have scheduled a technical meeting for next month. It will be on Monday 17th of June, at 6pm. The location is Level 3 Catalyst House. The front doors lock at 6pm, so best to come earlier, but there will be a number on the wall to get someone to come let you in. Future meetings will be on the third Monday of every month and will hopefully be pizza and beverages supplied (this one should as well!). I would be interested if anyone would like to present any material, let me know if you would like to. I will send a follow up closer with details of the talks on the night. tl;dr, come to lvl 3 catalyst house 6pm 17th june, email me to speak. Cheers, Hugh

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Juniper and Brocade VPLS interop - any horror stories?
by Sam Russell 26 May '13

26 May '13

We've got a mix of Brocade MLX and Juniper MX chassis on our network and I'm working on getting VPLS standing up between them with LDP signalling (RSVP underneath for the base MPLS). Everything seems okay except for the odd quirk (Brocade can't do OSPF with jumbo frames, Juniper doesn't automatically strip VLAN tags when sending into the VPLS cloud) but otherwise it's standing up. I just wanted to see if anyone else has this sort of setup, and whether there's anything I should be looking for that might trip me up? My logic so far is as long as I don't try and make the Brocades do BGP then I should be safe, is this about right? Thanks in advance Sam

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Global Gateway support details
by Tristram Cheer 24 May '13

24 May '13

Hi All, I'm in need of the GG support number, Google and APNIC Whois is turning up dead numbers. Thanks -- Tristram Cheer Network Architect - Most problems are the result of previous solutions... [cid:image001.jpg(a)01CE594D.F453A780] Tel. 09 438 5472 Ext 803 | Mobile. 022 412 1985 | PO Box 5083, Whangarei, 0140 tristram.cheer(a)ubergroup.co.nz<mailto:tristram.cheer(a)ubergroup.co.nz> |www.ubergroup.co.nz<http://www.ubergroup.co.nz> [cid:image003.png(a)01CE594E.D0F0B480]<http://ubergroup.co.nz/fb> [cid:image005.png(a)01CE594E.D0F0B480] <https://twitter.com/#!/ubergroupltd>

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ISP provided routers
by Mauricio Freitas 23 May '13

23 May '13

So, which ISP is providing Tenda modem/routers to users? >From http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=119152 "I installed a Tenda W150D at a friends place 2 weeks ago and their internet usage jumped from 200-600MB/day to 2-15GB/day." This had default DNS responder, open web administration and telnet visible from the WAN side. Cheers Mauricio Freitas www.geekzone.co.nz<http://www.geekzone.co.nz> www.freitasm.com<http://www.freitasm.com> www.twitter.com/freitasm<http://www.twitter.com/freitasm>

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Vodafone/TelstraClear routes to AU
by Mauricio Freitas 23 May '13

23 May '13

Something is going on again... Pings to cdn.geekzone.co.nz (Sydney) went from 35ms to 165ms now... Any ideas? Cheers Mauricio Freitas www.geekzone.co.nz<http://www.geekzone.co.nz> www.freitasm.com<http://www.freitasm.com> www.twitter.com/freitasm<http://www.twitter.com/freitasm>

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Re: [nznog] Wanganui ADSL
by Gerard Linstrom 22 May '13

22 May '13

Please advise nature of problem & who is affected and where. Will look into it. [cid:image001.jpg(a)01CE57C2.D811A4F0] Gerard Linstrom Industry & Communications Mgr T +64 4 382 5178 (extn 46178) M +64 27 490 9515 F +64 4 471 0013 E Gerard.Linstrom(a)chorus.co.nz Level 8, Datacom House, 68-86 Jervois Quay Wellington Twitter: @chorusvan<http://twitter.com/@chorusvan> www.chorus.co.nz<http://www.chorus.co.nz> Aon Hewitt Best Employer in Australasia 2012 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ________________________________ This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002.

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Wanganui ADSL
by Bart van der Wee 22 May '13

22 May '13

Morning NZNOG peeps, Does anyone have more information about current issues with ADSL in Wanganui? 24 hours+ down for a number of customers and answers from support desks are not very enlightening. Cheers, Bart

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APNIC 36 Fellowships Now Open
by Srinivas Chendi 21 May '13

21 May '13

_______________________________________________________________________ APNIC 36 Fellowships Now Open _______________________________________________________________________ APNIC is committed to supporting Internet growth in developing Asia Pacific economies, and we understand that it may be difficult for our Members and stakeholders from these economies to attend APNIC Conferences. In response, APNIC provides several Fellowship awards to enable people to attend and participate in the APNIC Conference free of charge. Benefits of APNIC Fellowships ----------------------------- - Acquire hands-on experience in key deployments, such as IPv6 transition strategies - Attend all workshops and tutorials at the APNIC 36 Conference - Participate in policy discussions that will affect how your organization accesses Internet number resources - Network and meet with a wide range of Internet industry members from around the world APNIC promotes gender equality and creates opportunities for all. The APNIC Fellowship program encourages women in the Internet industry to participate and contribute during the Conference, including the APNIC Policy Development Process (PDP). For more information about the Fellowship award packages, selection process, and applications, please visit the APNIC 36 website: http://conference.apnic.net/36/fellowship Deadline -------- The deadline for Fellowship applications is Wednesday, 19 June 2013 at 23:59 (UTC +10). ________________________________________________________________________ APNIC Secretariat secretariat(a)apnic.net Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61 7 3858 3100 PO Box 3646 South Brisbane, QLD 4101 Australia Fax: +61 7 3858 3199 6 Cordelia Street, South Brisbane, QLD http://www.apnic.net ________________________________________________________________________ * Sent by email to save paper. Print only if necessary.

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APNIC 36 Workshops are announced!
by Srinivas Chendi 16 May '13

16 May '13

_______________________________________________________________________ Registration for APNIC 36 opens in early June! ________________________________________________________________________ Attend the APNIC 36 Workshops and Conference, and be directly involved with Internet growth and development in the Asia Pacific region. http://conference.apnic.net/36 - Learn first-hand about the latest developments in Internet networking trends from the shared insights and practical experiences of regional and international experts http://conference.apnic.net/36/program - Directly contribute to discussions on Internet resource distribution and management policies http://conference.apnic.net/36/policy - Participate in hands-on training sessions and intensive workshops to expand your knowledge and skills for key deployments such as IPv6 - Attend networking events to exchange ideas and expand your contact base Confirmed topics for the Workshop week, 20 to 24 August 2013 ------------------------------------------------------------ These are technical workshops, with a mixture of lecture and hands-on labs. Participants need to have hands-on experience at configuring network equipment such as routers and switches. BGP (Border Gateway Protocol) Participants will learn the OSPF/ISIS and BGP skills required to configure and operate a large-scale network. This course will benefit technical staff who are now building or operating a wide area service provider network with international and/or multi-provider connectivity, or those considering participation at an Internet Exchange Point. Network Security and DNSSEC This workshop covers the key elements of network infrastructure security and DNSSEC. It will benefit network engineers who are responsible for engineering and architecting reliable networks, as well as network operators who are responsible for mitigating attacks or managing DNS infrastructure. This course will benefit staff from ISP, enterprise, or government organizations who are responsible for engineering and operating a secure IPv4/IPv6 network infrastructure. IPv6 Participants will learn the IPv6 skills required to deploy IPv6 on their network infrastructure. The course will benefit technical staff working for ISP, enterprise, academic or government networks, and those who are now building or operating a wide area network with international and/or multi-provider connectivity. Please view the website for more details ----------------------------------------- We are currently negotiating special accommodation rates at the Westin and nearby hotels. Booking forms will be available shortly. http://conference.apnic.net/36/travel Important dates --------------- Sponsorship is now open: http://conference.apnic.net/36/sponsorship Fellowship applications: opens in May http://conference.apnic.net/36/fellowship Call for Papers: opens in June Policy proposals: due 17 July 2013 ________________________________________________________________________ APNIC Secretariat secretariat(a)apnic.net Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61 7 3858 3100 PO Box 3646 South Brisbane, QLD 4101 Australia Fax: +61 7 3858 3199 6 Cordelia Street, South Brisbane, QLD http://www.apnic.net ________________________________________________________________________ * Sent by email to save paper. Print only if necessary.

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Correlation between governance and reputation of IP allocations
by Matthew Luckie 15 May '13

15 May '13

http://www.caida.org/research/policy/country-level-ip-reputation/ We recently analyzed the reputation of a country's Internet (IPv4) addresses by examining the number of blacklisted IPv4 addresses that geolocate to a given country. We compared this indicator with two qualitative measures of each country's governance. We hypothesized that countries with more transparent, democratic governmental institutions would harbor a smaller fraction of misbehaving (blacklisted) hosts. The available data confirms this hypothesis. A similar correlation exists between perceived corruption and fraction of blacklisted IP addresses. NZ at the edge of the graph (CPI: very clean) but has a slightly higher fraction of spamming hosts than Australia.

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IPv6 works!
by Sebastian Castro 13 May '13

13 May '13

Hi NZnogers: It's a strange subject, which replicates the conclusion from Cisco while deploying/operating a large wireless IPv6 network for Cisco Live 2013. Slides are here https://ripe66.ripe.net/presentations/113-CiscoLive-IPv6-RIPE.pdf Cheers, -- Sebastian Castro DNS Specialist .nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited) desk: +64 4 495 2337 mobile: +64 21 400535

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Service status page, generic
by LRW Longhurst 12 May '13

12 May '13

Hi all, In case I'm going too far off-topic, reply direct to me unless you think it is of value to the list. Also, Beer. I've been asked to set up a "service status" page for some internal services at my place of work. Not being a web developer, it occurs to me to wonder, is there some piece of free/open code I could use as a starting point, or do ISPs/ASPs generally just roll their own? My options at this point are pretty broad, ranging from a mini-blog to something more automated, perhaps using Nagios as an input. Lesley Longhurst Geek from way back

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Blip on NZ Internet
by Mauricio Freitas 09 May '13

09 May '13

So what happened at 10:10am 10th May? Geekzone servers at Datacom Orbit were unreachable from overseas while Snap, Vodafone services were up/down for a couple of minutes. Ideas? Cheers Mauricio Freitas www.geekzone.co.nz<http://www.geekzone.co.nz> www.freitasm.com<http://www.freitasm.com> www.twitter.com/freitasm<http://www.twitter.com/freitasm>

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Re: [nznog] TICS bill passing under urgency
by Dean Pemberton 09 May '13

09 May '13

Hi Everyone. Great to see that there is a growing awareness of this bill on the list. It's certainly drawn a range of critical responses. InternetNZ is in the process of establishing a working group to deal with it in some detail, to establish an InternetNZ position and to have a response ready on what promises to be quite a tight legislative timetable. You're all welcome to attend an initial meeting which will be held late next week, either Thursday or Friday. I'd ask those who are interested in direct participation and available for such a meeting to give me a heads-up. I'll get back later today or Monday with details. Regards, Dean > > Hi list(s) > > The Government is pushing through this amended bill under urgency - along > with the GCSB Amendment bill. > > I've only had a quick read but it already made me feel pretty angry. > Instead of just bitching about it on IRC and twitter and at bus stops to > confused elderly people, I thought I'd try and do something - and I had a > chance to speak with Clare Curran (Labour MP) recently about it. > She suggested she would support fighting / commenting against this bill, > with help and advice. >

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TICS bill passing under urgency
by Mike Forbes 09 May '13

09 May '13

Hi list(s) The Government is pushing through this amended bill under urgency - along with the GCSB Amendment bill. I've only had a quick read but it already made me feel pretty angry. Instead of just bitching about it on IRC and twitter and at bus stops to confused elderly people, I thought I'd try and do something - and I had a chance to speak with Clare Curran (Labour MP) recently about it. She suggested she would support fighting / commenting against this bill, with help and advice. The problem is most people voting for it have no idea what it means or is for. We (you - Network Operators and IT Professionals, hi!) need to advise and talk and share information about what these changes really mean - and if they're good. The Tech Liberty NZ website has some good reading and a bit of a summary on the TICS Bill - http://techliberty.org.nz/govt-proposes-gcsb-control-over-nz-communications… and the scoop links to the full bills are here: http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1305/Telecommunications_InterceptionCapab… http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1305/wstGovernment_Communications_Securit… TL;DR: The new TICS bill has some changes that could impact the way you do networking in New Zealand - and if you care you should say something. Beers, -- // Mike

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SDN users group
by Josh Bailey 08 May '13

08 May '13

Hi all; I'm thinking of starting an SDN users group in Wellington (meeting approx once a month). To save time, especially the time of those that have no interest, there would be a modest entry requirement - members would have to demonstrate a working SDN device to participate. If you assert that it's not possible so sorry to trouble you - you won't hear from me again. :-) If you would be interested in such a group please send me mail directly - we are fortunate to have a number of research activities ongoing in NZ and I invite your participation. Thanks,

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FYI : ANZIA - Australia & New Zealand Internet Awards
by Elly Tawhai 08 May '13

08 May '13

Hi NZNOG Community, Entries are now open for the 2013 Australia and New Zealand Internet (ANZIA) Awards. If you would like to make a nomination on behalf of your organization, or another in Australia or New Zealand, please submit by 28 June 2013. The categories for the 2013 ANZIAs are: - Security and Privacy - Internet Access & Digital Skills - Information - Diversity - Innovation ANZIA winners receive recognition for setting new standards in making the Internet a more inclusive, accessible, and safe place. The Awards also offer winners public and industry exposure, positive media coverage, networking opportunities, and recognition of the hard work undertaken by staff or volunteers. Eligible winners are awarded AUD 2500. For more information about ANZIA 2013, please visit: http://www.internetawards.org.au Kind regards, Elly APNIC

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12 minute blips?
by Simon Lyall 07 May '13

07 May '13

Anyone else seeing a drop in traffic every 12 minutes today? I'm seeing it on domestic hits going in to both my POPs. The Pop that is datacom->Orcon is seeing it a worse than the Telstraclear connected one. Really shows up when I look at 60.234.0.0/16 (Orcon) which goes almost to zero for a minute or two. -- Simon Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.simonlyall.com/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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Underwater exchange
by Kyle Carter 07 May '13

07 May '13

I'm getting farmed off by a support desk for some connection issues into the Orcon datacentre. They claim there's a telecom exchange underwater up that way and that's why they are having issues. Sounds very fishy as I'm not aware of any other issues. They can't provide details. Sent from my iPhone

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APE issues 6th May 2013
by Sid Jones 06 May '13

06 May '13

Citylink are aware that there are issues on the APE this morning. We're currently working with our vendor to resolve the issue. I'll update when I have more.

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Fwd: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2013 Call For Presentations
by Mark Prior 06 May '13

06 May '13

Hopefully some of you are interested in presenting at AusNOG in September. Mark. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Gavin Tweedie <gav(a)narx.net> > Date: 7 May 2013 12:02:54 AM GMT+03:00 > To: ausnog(a)lists.ausnog.net > Subject: [AusNOG] AusNOG 2013 Call For Presentations > > Call for presentations for AusNOG 2013 > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Swissotel > **Sydney** > 5 & 6 September, 2013 > > Notes > =-=-=- > > AusNOG 2013 is being held in Sydney after a successful event in Melbourne last year. We hope some of our new attendees from last year are able to follow us back to Sydney this year! > > Topics > =-=-=-= > > Internet operations can be a broad topic and the presentation selection > committee will be short-listing presentations in the following focus areas: > > * Improving the redundancy/resiliency/sustainability of your network > * Making leaps in service or network availability > * Taking the network operations BCP to the next level > * Using 'offline' communications tools to keep the network working > * How technology is changing network architectures > * Evolution in network architectures and scaling issues > * Analysis of relevant major operational events of the year > > Other topics which are of interest to the network operator community are also welcome at AusNOG 2013. Naturally, presentations of a marketing nature are not welcome at this technical event. > > Notes to presenters > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Preference will be given to presentations that result in actual operational outcomes. > > Session speakers should be prepared to present for 30 minutes. Keynote > speakers will be expected to present for 45 minutes to 1 hour. Short > presentations of strong operational content are also acceptable. > > Once the final slides are submitted, changes will only be permitted where the presentation requires the most up to date information or data. > > By submitting a presentation for consideration in the AusNOG 2013 programme, and if selected the presenter will allow AusNOG to: > > * Take photographs of the presentation and presenter. > * Record and rebroadcast video and audio of the presentation > and presenter. > * Redistribute, the presentation slides, audio, video, and photographs > electronically, on the AusNOG website, or otherwise but leaving > all intellectual property in the hands of presenter or rightful > property holder where possible[1]. > > Deadlines > =-=-=-=-=- > > 10 June: Submission of presentation title, presentation description > (300 words), and presenter biography (200-400 words) > > 01 July: Presenters notified of their acceptance status as an > AusNOG 2013 presentation. > > 28 August: Submission of final presentation slides as Portable Document > Format (pdf), PowerPoint, or Keynote. Provision of a > recent digital photograph (<500k) of the presenter. > > All submissions must be sent to organisers at ausnog.net. > > A separate call for lightning talks will be made closer to the AusNOG 2013 event. > > [1]: AusNOG accepts that some speakers are unable to allow us to archive their presentation due to company or corporate policy, and if the situation arises AusNOG will delete all copies in its possession after the presentation. > > Gavin > For the AusNOG Board > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG(a)lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

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Hazard Notification - ntp3.ntp.net.nz unreachable due to power shut down
by Sebastian Castro 01 May '13

01 May '13

To the NZNOG Community: NZRS would like to inform that ntp3.ntp.net.nz will be unreachable from Friday May 3rd at 4:00pm until Monday May 6th at 8:00am due to power work being carried out in the building where it's located. Although backup power is available for the computer room, the planned work exceeds the generator's autonomous runtime, so we've decided to shut the power down for the duration of the event. ntp1.ntp.net.nz and ntp2.net.ntp.nz will continue to work as usual. We apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause. Kind Regards, -- Sebastian Castro DNS Specialist .nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited) desk: +64 4 495 2337 mobile: +64 21 400535

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Mumbai: Carrier Neutral Datacentres
by Bill Walker 26 Apr '13

26 Apr '13

Hi All, We are looking to put a rack's worth of tin in Mumbai and are looking for a well connected carrier Neutral DC to put it in. We haven't had much luck so far, our local vendor contacts pointed us at TATA and Sify. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks, Bill

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Fwd: [wellylug] WellyLUG Social Meetup
by Hugh Davenport 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Sorry for the cross posting. See below for details of the first WellyLUG meeting in a while... 15 year anniversary as well -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [wellylug] WellyLUG Social Meetup Date: 2013-04-26 11:35 From: Hugh Davenport <hugh(a)davenport.net.nz> To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug(a)lists.wellylug.org.nz> Reply-To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug(a)lists.wellylug.org.nz> Hi All, I'm organising a social meetup for WellyLUG, with a meeting planned for the month after. As the first ever WellyLUG meeting was on 13th of May 15 years ago [1], I suggest having the meeting then. Unfortunately I won't be available then (I'll be pretending to be harry potter wearing a gown with some pansy colours...), but can join later in said gown. If you all gather around a popular beer bar called LBQ [2] any time after 5pm. They have excellent food [3], and many drinks. I shall aim to join at ... some point later ... but I'm sure you can make social niceties by yourselves. Make this meeting a good one, as it is the 15th Anniversary of the start of WellyLUG!!! Cheers, Hugh [1] https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nz.reg.wellington.general/b2rvWgTSBCU/dis… [2] http://littlebeerquarter.co.nz/

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Sydney data centre
by Gerard Creamer 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Hi there, We're looking for a rack of space in Sydney. Preferably carrier neutral. With actual useful smart hands. They all sound awesome from their web pages. They all have 100% uptime and are mega helpful. Interestingly, they are all better than each other. I'd really appreciate some quick pointers from local companies who have taken space in Sydney about who is actually useful and who actually has good power. Thanks, Gerard

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Fwd: [wellylug] WellyLUG Social Meetup
by Hugh Davenport 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Sorry for the cross posting. See below for details of the first WellyLUG meeting in a while... 15 year anniversary as well -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [wellylug] WellyLUG Social Meetup Date: 2013-04-26 11:35 From: Hugh Davenport <hugh(a)davenport.net.nz> To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug(a)lists.wellylug.org.nz> Reply-To: Wellington Linux Users Group <wellylug(a)lists.wellylug.org.nz> Hi All, I'm organising a social meetup for WellyLUG, with a meeting planned for the month after. As the first ever WellyLUG meeting was on 13th of May 15 years ago [1], I suggest having the meeting then. Unfortunately I won't be available then (I'll be pretending to be harry potter wearing a gown with some pansy colours...), but can join later in said gown. If you all gather around a popular beer bar called LBQ [2] any time after 5pm. They have excellent food [3], and many drinks. I shall aim to join at ... some point later ... but I'm sure you can make social niceties by yourselves. Make this meeting a good one, as it is the 15th Anniversary of the start of WellyLUG!!! Cheers, Hugh [1] https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nz.reg.wellington.general/b2rvWgTSBCU/dis… [2] http://littlebeerquarter.co.nz/

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Office 365 Hong Kong issue?
by Daniel Siva 23 Apr '13

23 Apr '13

Hi all, Is anyone noticing issues connecting to mailboxes at their Hong Kong DC? We have users spread between Singapore & Hong Kong, most of the users on hkxprd0310.outlook.com cannot connect. We have been on hold to M$ for awhile now, & would just like to know if anyone else has any feedback... Cheers! - Daniel

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New prefix at APE, WIX and CHIX: 202.12.3.0/24
by Michael Fincham 22 Apr '13

22 Apr '13

Hi everyone, (cross-posted to NZNOG since nzix-route-announce still seems pretty much dead...) We intend to begin announcing the prefix 202.12.3.0/24 to the APE, WIX and CHIX in approximately 2 weeks. This prefix will be originated from AS132255 (our customer Primo Wireless). This will bring our total set of (le 24) announced IPv4 prefixes to: 114.23.96.0/22 originated from AS38477 113.130.120.0/22 originated from AS38294 path: 38477 38294 116.90.128.0/20 originated from AS38477 202.6.116.0/23 originated from AS38477 192.138.251.0/24 originated from AS38590 path: 38477 38590 182.50.160.0/22 originated from AS45641 path: 38477 45641 116.90.135.0/24 originated from AS45641 path: 38477 45641 202.37.124.0/23 originated from AS38477 131.203.133.0/24 originated from AS56102 path: 38477 56102 131.203.134.0/23 originated from AS56102 path: 38477 56102 202.44.60.0/22 originated from AS56214 path: 38477 56214 202.50.102.0/24 originated from AS38477 103.11.124.0/22 originated from AS38477 103.246.250.0/24 originated from AS38477 122.102.108.0/23 originated from AS38477 103.8.232.0/22 originated from AS132255 path: 38477 132255 202.12.3.0/24 originated from AS132255 path: 38477 132255 103.247.56.0/24 originated from AS38477 103.245.172.0/22 originated from AS38477 Thanks, -- -Michael Fincham System Administrator, Unleash www.unleash.co.nz Phone: 0800 750 250

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Brief downtime on Wellington route-servers Sunday 21/4/2103
by Sid Jones 19 Apr '13

19 Apr '13

We're upgrading the software on the hosting platform and there will likely be one brief outage to each route-server as we perform the upgrade then restart. Window for the changes is expected to be between 9pm and 11pm.

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Chorus B2B for transferring a SME phone line
by Barry Murphy 15 Apr '13

15 Apr '13

Hey guys, Sorry if this is off topic but I'm pulling my hair out which chorus B2B system and chorus don't even know what the cause is. I'm sure there may be someone on this list that has implemented the chorus B2B system to transfer phone lines from one provider to another, if so please contact me off-list. Every time I send the request to transfer an SME phone line, I get the following error even though I have provided the details: At least one row of Individual Line Reassignment details required pstnIsdnDetails/individualLineDetails If anyone has an example of the data required to be sent it would be much appreciated. Many thanks Barry Murphy

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Help locating water monitoring contact
by Travis Baird 15 Apr '13

15 Apr '13

Hi all, Apologies for the irrelevant post but I am trying to locate someone I spoke to at NZNOG 2013 who was working with water monitoring over IP for irrigation systems. I think they were based in the lower north island somewhere. If anyone has any contact information can they please pass it on, or if you're the person I spoke to please contact me off list. Regards Travis

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Office 365 DNS changes
by Lloyd Parkes 09 Apr '13

09 Apr '13

Hi all, This is just a heads up. Microsoft's DNS server[1] handling the mail.eo.outlook.com domain was updated a few days ago to reject DNS requests coming from privileged ports. Apparently this is an effort to encourage folks on the internet to use source port randomisation for their DNS requests. If, for some reason, you are not able to use an unprivileged source port for your DNS requests, then you will not be able to send email to any person or company using Microsoft's Office 365 email system. A workaround is to hand off your DNS resolution to Google's DNS recursive resolvers at 8.8.8.8. Cheers, Lloyd [1] Yes, that's "server" in the singular. They have two NS records with two names, but only one IP address. It might be a cluster of servers using one IP address but it looks different from the rest of Microsoft's DNS infrastructure, so I wouldn't bet on it.

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IANA AS Numbers registry update
by Selina Harrington 09 Apr '13

09 Apr '13

The IANA AS Numbers registry has been updated to reflect the allocation of 1 block to LACNIC in 2013-04-08: 61440-62463 You can find the IANA AS Numbers registry at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers/as-numbers.xml Regards, Selina Harrington IANA Request Specialist ICANN

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Re: [nznog] notable events
by Andy Linton 08 Apr '13

08 Apr '13

On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Richard Naylor <richard.naylor(a)r2.co.nz> wrote: > 22 May is the 40th for Ethernet - when Robert Metcalf wrote his memo > outlining ethernet to his Boss. This memo shows that we may be a little premature (see date of 5 March 1974) and said boss didn't think much of the idea! They were working on this in 1973 but the patent wasn't file until 1975.

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Is content getting "closer"?
by Jed Laundry 07 Apr '13

07 Apr '13

Hey, The AWS Sydney region has been available for 5 months now and, since it became available, the chatter about the importance of another wet string for competitive reasons has gone (mostly) quiet. Are these events correlated? Is content getting closer (and by that I mean avg(rtt) over a large sample of connections)? Has anyone done an internal study of their transit? Does WAND have a dataset they're analysing? Thanks, Jed.

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NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website
by Jonathan Brewer 07 Apr '13

07 Apr '13

Hi All, Two months ago we had a conference in Wellington. Since then the website has still not been updated to reflect the programme on the day. Previous conference websites have disappeared from the Internet. I understand the trustees have funds at their disposal, and I call on them to take one of the following actions: 1.) Hire someone to sort out the site 2.) Find someone who will do it for free 3.) (or) step down and appoint someone who cares Sorry guys, I like you as people, but your performance here has been abysmal. Fix it please. If you don't want to do anything, I put my hand up for taking over a trustee seat. -JB

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Re: [nznog] notable events
by Michael NEWBERY 07 Apr '13

07 Apr '13

On 8/04/13 12:55 PM, "Don Stokes" <don(a)daedalus.co.nz> wrote: >Definitely. > >Ethernet in particular, but cellphones too, have changed beyond all >recognition. Bob Metcalfe's Ethernet ran at 3 Mbps, over a single thick >co-axial cable, with shared access via CSMA/CD, Carrier Sense, Multiple >Access with Collision Detection, with Manchester encoding to run the >same bits per second as the fundamental frequency. > >From memory, it's actually HALF the fundamental frequency. I.e., 3Mbps required 6MHz. That's because bits are signaled by transitions. The advantage is that it's self clocking. -- Michael Newbery IP Architect IT&P: Architecture Vodafone New Zealand Ltd. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unless otherwise stated, any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not represent those of Vodafone New Zealand Limited.

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[::] APNIC IPv6 Workshop AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND 6-8 MAY 2013
by Elly Tawhai 07 Apr '13

07 Apr '13

Hi NZNOG Community, APNIC is pleased to announce that we will be conducting the following training course in AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND. Course: IPv6 Workshop (3 days) Dates: MAY 6 - 8, 2013 Venue: Level 3, 110 Symonds Street CallPlus Business Centre Auckland CBD, New Zealand For registration and course information, please go to: http://training.apnic.net/events/2013/workshop-ipv6-6may13 If you have any queries please contact <training(a)apnic.net> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ APNIC Training training(a)apnic.net Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61-7-3858-3100 PO Box 3646 Fax: +61-7-3858-3199 6 Cordelia Street, South Brisbane, QLD 4101 Australia http://www.apnic.net/training ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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notable events
by Richard Naylor 07 Apr '13

07 Apr '13

According to some media the cell phone turns 40 this month. EE Times has some articles on it or Google Marty Cooper. 22 May is the 40th for Ethernet - when Robert Metcalf wrote his memo outlining ethernet to his Boss. Both sound like good reasons for more beer.

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public consultation on root zone KSK rollover
by Joe Abley 02 Apr '13

02 Apr '13

Hi all, As advised a month or so ago, the following public comment period is open: http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/root-zone-consultation-08mar13-… We have received a small number of responses which are accessible from that page. The topic at hand and the specific questions that have been asked as part of the consultation are important ones; the decisions taken will have operational consequences to any user of the Internet who validates DNS responses with DNSSEC. If you have experience, opinions or expertise to contribute, it would be greatly appreciated. The window for being able to submit comments closes on 12 April 2013 at 23:59 UTC. Many thanks, Joe

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Re: [nznog] NZNOG Digest, Vol 124, Issue 2
by Alan Maher 01 Apr '13

01 Apr '13

I also observe AusNOG, where there is a considerable amount of discussion (sometimes superfluous) and a great reporting system for network outages and so on. And now they have a page for the sale of surplus equipment. Along with some great direct recruitment stuff, that probably never makes the*popular press*. Surely this is a measure of an active community of interest. Activity levels on NZNOG have been somewhat muted in recent times. Does this imply that everything is fine and dandy, and the pills are working quite well, thank you? I will open an alternative discussion to try and break the ice-jam. Can anyone give me some best experience on a cost effective/IPV6 capable consumer router, aside from a Fritz box? Are the PACE boxes from Telecom/Chorus any good? Do they do IPV6? They seem to do almost anything, judging by their tech spin. ADSL/VDSL/Fibre etc. Lets get some debate going people. Alan Maher On 2/04/2013 12:00 p.m., nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz wrote: > Send NZNOG mailing list submissions to > nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nznog-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NZNOG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Jonathan Brewer) > 2. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (jamie baddeley) > 3. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Andy Linton) > 4. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Stephen Sheehan) > 5. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Daniel Richards) > 6. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Juha Saarinen) > 7. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Peter Mott) > 8. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Ian Batterbee) > 9. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Tim Hoffman) > 10. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Tim Price) > 11. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Jay Daley) > 12. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Michael Fincham) > 13. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Joe Abley) > 14. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Sam Sargeant) > 15. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Richard Naylor) > 16. Re: NZNOG Trustees: Act on NZNOG Website (Joel Wir?mu Pauling) > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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route servers
by Blair Harrison 01 Apr '13

01 Apr '13

Hello List In order to create some discussion (as Andy seems to think there isn't any) .. I note that using regexp ^ as an option on the ape/wix/chix/hix route servers looking glass no longer gives a full list of routes.. it seems somewhat truncated. At some point in the past it gave a full list, but perhaps now the number of routes has exceeded the limit set on the software? It would be appreciated if this could be adjusted so that I (and anyone else who might be interested) might continue my academic musings on the state of the routing table :) Cheers, Blair

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NZNOG 2013 live stream
by Kris Price 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

Is there going to be a live stream of the conference somewhere? I couldn't find mention of one on the website. Thanks Kris

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Alcatel-Lucent cable ship in port
by Kris Price 26 Mar '13

26 Mar '13

I noticed there was an Alcatel-Lucent cable ship in Wellington. Anyone got a clue on what this might be related to? Some new cable being laid in NZ waters or is it just stopping by? Cheers Kris

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iconz ipv6?
by Blair Harrison 24 Mar '13

24 Mar '13

Hi guys, Anyone else having issues getting to ICONZ's IPV6 nameservers? Blair:~ blair$ dig iconz.co.nz @2405:6000:2:1::1 ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> iconz.co.nz @2405:6000:2:1::1 ;; global options: +cmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached Blair:~ blair$ dig iconz.co.nz @2405:6000:2:2::1 ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> iconz.co.nz @2405:6000:2:2::1 ;; global options: +cmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached --- 2405:6000:2:1::1 ping6 statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss ICONZ - if you're publishing ipv6 glue, you might want to make sure it works... Also, the glue you're publishing seems to be different to your AAAA records for ns1/ns2 ?? ...... ns_name_01: ns1.iconz.co.nz ns_ip6_01: 2405:6000:2:3::1 ns_name_02: ns2.iconz.co.nz ns_ip6_02: 2405:6000:2:2::2 Might want to fix that.. or at the very least revoke your ipv6 glue, if you aren't going to make your ipv6 work properly? Cheers, Blair

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The Internet research botnet
by Juha Saarinen 24 Mar '13

24 Mar '13

A friend sent a link this morning to what appeared to be the usual dry research stuff but as the coffee kicked in, my jaw dropped. Here's the story I wrote: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/337259,researcher-builds-enormous-global-botn… There was an earlier mass-compromise of DSL routers in Brazil: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/317529,millions-of-dsl-modems-hacked-in-brazi… Would I be right in assuming that the vulnerable devices situation is similar in NZ and Australia? Hei konā mai, -- Juha Saarinen AITTP Twitter: juhasaarinen http://juha.saarinen.org

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Videos from NZNOG 2013
by Richard Naylor 19 Mar '13

19 Mar '13

Videos from NZNOG 2013 are now available at http://www.r2.co.nz/20130124/ early viewers will find a slow response time while the videos load into the CDN. Our uplink capacity is currently maxed out with other users. Once loaded the files will play fine from the CDN. The videos can also be downloaded. As there was no printed programme that listed all speakers correctly, we've had to guess on some names and titles. Please think of this as a crowd sourcing task and advise me of any corrections. We may also be missing a speaker as there doesn't seem to be a complete list. If you want a file REALLY badly, try a download with a twist. Get the URL from the web page and change it to use www.r2.co.nz instead of 2012.r2.co.nz, which is the CDN. The origin server is peered on WIX and should perform well locally. The reason for using an international CDN is that even NZNOG gets more viewers from outside NZ than inside NZ., which is why we are always working on getting better quality in presentations. You folks are famous internationally. Rich

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Can anyone recommend a DNS registrar?
by Lloyd Parkes 17 Mar '13

17 Mar '13

Hi all, With Swizzlestick closing down I need to find a new DNS registrar, and my shortlist from http://dnc.org.nz//story/authorised-registrars is still pretty long. I require IPv6 glue and a self service web interface, but I don't need any hosting. I have an irrationally strong desire to deal with a NZ based company and I don't want to deal with a company that only seems to know how to sell xDSL. That latter point is the one I need the most help with. If keeping the DNS running isn't operational enough for the list charter, then "beer". Cheers, Lloyd

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Beer
by Jamie Baddeley 14 Mar '13

14 Mar '13

Citylink is hiring! http://www.citylink.co.nz/network-engineer Would appreciate it if you folks could pass this on to anyone who might be interested.. We've an open mind on the kind of person. Could be 5yrs+ experience, could be fresh out of varsity etc. Do want someone from (or aspires to be from) the design end of engineering rather than operations end of engineering…MPLS experience nice to have, SDN/Openflow interest nice to have… There's some cool developments going on. Maybe you or someone you know could be a part of that. cheers jamie

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Completely non-operational but Obi Wan you're my only hope.
by Geraint Jones 13 Mar '13

13 Mar '13

Like I say completely non-operational. We are in desperate need of some licensing for an old Nortel Contivity 17x0. If anyone out there maybe has a set of keys for one they have retired we would like to hear from you, or maybe you know someone in the IT salvage world who may be able to help. Any ideas would be most welcome. We have pots of gold on offer or beer (now its operational) Thanks for your time!

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WellyLUG rekindling
by Hugh Davenport 12 Mar '13

12 Mar '13

Hey, Some of you may know me, and some may not. My name is Hugh, I used to work at Catalyst IT, and have recently moved to Aura RedEye Security as the development manager. I have a big interest in the open source world, and have been meaning on getting WellyLUG set up again for a while now... WellyLUG is/was the Wellington Linux Users Group, which ran monthly, but hasn't happened in a while. This email is just to get a sense of who would be interested in starting up meetings again, and what days suit everyone. Also, if you can help sponsor a room/beer/pizza etc, that would be good as well, though I may be able to get that covered on my front. So, if you are keen, reply :D Cheers, Hugh original message at http://lists.wellylug.org.nz/pipermail/wellylug/2013-March/020972.html

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ntp.net.nz update
by Jay Daley 10 Mar '13

10 Mar '13

Hi A brief update on the status of our public NTP service. For those of you unaware of this service then details are at http://ntp.net.net - We have new firmware on the boxes that fixes previous IPv6 issues so ntp1.ntp.net.nz and ntp3 are now properly accessible over IPv6. ntp2 has a provider IPv6 issue that is still waiting to be fixed. - We believe this firmware also fixes the autokey issues but we are still testing that before enabling it. - Currently each server independently takes its reference time from differential GPS, which is very slightly different from official NZ time. We spoken to the people from IRL responsible for official NZ time and we have agreed a long term plan that will see the differences between GPS and NZ time sent directly to our servers from the IRL atomic clocks, which will condition our servers very close to official NZ time. - We're considering adding one more server to the network, definitely not a Symmetricom this time. We've spoken to Tekron International, a Lower Hutt company who make GPS timing kit about possibly using one of their products but are still researching alternatives. We hardly ever get any feedback on this service and so assume it is working fine, but now's your chance to tell us what you think or if there is anything more we could be doing to make this service more beneficial. cheers Jay -- Jay Daley Chief Executive .nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited) desk: +64 4 931 6977 mobile: +64 21 678840 linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/jaydaley

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NZ ISP level rate limiting to Office365
by Blair Robson 10 Mar '13

10 Mar '13

Hiyas, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask...but I want to know if ISPs are setting any rules around upload traffic to office365? At the moment I'm just looking for a route....any route that is going to give me more than 60k up... (the most common is 40k...) Tried Orcon, Vodafone, HD and getting either 40k rated or 60k rated upload speed to Office 365. If this is the wrong place, can anyone suggest somewhere more appropriate? (already talking to Microsoft) Thanks Blair Robson I Engineer I Maclean Ph: 09 950 2592 Fx: 09 369 1560 Wb: maclean.co.nz<http://www.maclean.co.nz/> Level 2, 25 Union St, Auckland 1010 PO Box 90 400, Victoria St West, Auckland 1142 [cid:image001.gif(a)01CE1BE5.C23447F0] [cid:image002.png(a)01CE1BE5.C23447F0]<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/maclean-computing?trk=copro_tab> Attention: This email message and/or attachment may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender, delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by NetIQ MailMarshal ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Maclean Email & Web Security Service ______________________________________________________________________

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public consultation on root zone KSK rollover
by Joe Abley 07 Mar '13

07 Mar '13

Hi all, The following ICANN public comment period opened today: http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/root-zone-consultation-08mar13-… The questions relate to DNSSEC rollover in the root zone, and hence are relevant to anybody doing DNSSEC validation. Your responses to the questions presented above would be most welcome. Please feel very free to pass on the link to anybody you think might be interested in this topic. Joe

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PCAP of APE issues last night?
by Tim Hoffman 06 Mar '13

06 Mar '13

Greetings all, Following last night's issues on the APE, Dylan and I were wondering wondering if any APE participants managed to take a pcap of the traffic they were seeing on their interfaces facing the exchange. If any of you did and are willing to share this would be incredibly useful to us - drop us a message off-list. Many thanks, Tim

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Re: [nznog] [AusNOG] IPv4 - Where is the training?
by Elly Tawhai 05 Mar '13

05 Mar '13

Hi Don, There is not currently any APNIC IPv6 training scheduled for Christchurch. However we will be conducting an IPv6 Workshop in Auckland, which will be held on 6 - 8 May. For more information and registration please visit: http://training.apnic.net/events/2013/workshop-ipv6-6may13 If you have any queries please contact <training(a)apnic.net> (apologies for cross list posting thought this maybe of interest to those on NZNOG list) Kind regards, Elly APNIC Don Gould wrote: > On 5/03/2013 4:23 p.m., jason andrade wrote: >> From: Elly Tawhai <elly(a)apnic.net> >> To: "ausnog(a)ausnog.net" <ausnog(a)ausnog.net> >> Subject: [AusNOG] [::] APNIC IPv6 Workshop BRISBANE, AUSTRALIA 13-15 >> Mar 2013 >> > Thanks. Sorry, I missed seeing a post about APNIC running the some > training in Christchurch? > > Have they been running this sort of training in all the smaller centres > like Christchurch, around the region? > > D >

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IPv6 peering at APE
by Sid Jones 05 Mar '13

05 Mar '13

There is quite a significant disparity between the number of active peers on the two APE IPv6 route servers. [ You can see this at http://nzix.net/cgi-bin/lg.cgi ] e.g. There are 68 IPv6 peers configured on both the route servers. I see 44 established IPv6 peering sessions on rs1.ape.nzix.net, yet only 24 sessions on rs2.ape.nzix.net. If we can assist in anyway to get more of these sessions established please let us know.

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Best local presentation at NZNOG2013
by Gerard Creamer 04 Mar '13

04 Mar '13

Hi all, Thanks to everyone who came to NZNOG last week, it was great to have you all there. And thanks to all of you who helped out, and especially to all of our sponsors. This year we added an incentive to local presenters - the best local presentation would win travel and accommodation to APRICOT in Singapore and a complementary registration. The paper would be submitted to the APRICOT programme comittee and the winner might get to present at the event. There was quite a lot of discussion about who should win, and we have selected Donald Love's presentation on UFB Realities as the best local presentation at NZNOG 2013 for it's combination of technically interesting content and 'good honest truth' delivery. Congratulations to Donald and a big thank you to all of our local presenters for the interesting and engaging presentations. If you have something technically interesting worth sharing start planning your submission for NZNOG 2014 now :^) NZNOG 2014 will be held January 27-31 2014 in Nelson, New Zealand, and a Call for Papers will be issued to this list later in the year. Cheers, Gerard

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Re: [nznog] [AusNOG] IPv4 - Where is the training?
by Don Gould 04 Mar '13

04 Mar '13

Karl, If we can have 50 posts about 23 IP phones on list, then I'm sure some discussion about IPv6 training can be endured even if there are parties with a commercial interest. I am interested and I wonder how many more folk in my area would also be interested (Christchurch) hence why I've copied the NZNOG in as well. What the discussion over the past few days has highlighted for me is I clearly don't know enough and if the messages in my inbox are anything to go by, then there must be others in the same boat. I'd like to understand what the training I need might cost me. How much people think I need to invest in myself to get myself on track. I'd be interested to hear from others, on or off list who might also be interested in some more help to get up to v6 speed. D On 5/03/2013 4:35 p.m., Karl Auer wrote: > Hi Don. This message is not to the list, but you should feel free to > quote it there if you wish. I hope you will not interpret it as spam. > I specialise in IPv6, and I specialise in IPv6 training - see > www.into6.com.au. Let me know if you are interested. It is > comprehensive, highly customisable and I would be happy to do a > workshop (where we get down and just do some stuff in your network for > a few hours). Or we could set up a network together - whatever you > want or need. I'm also happy to come to New Zealand, especially if you > can get a few other people together. and I use a Mikrotik in my SOHO > network :-) >> If I find it over whelming, then I wonder how many others are in the >> same boat? > Lots. I've trained over 300 people in the last few years. But think of > it this way - if you had had to absorb all of IPv4 at once, that would > have been overwhelming too! Luckily 90% of IPv6 is the same as IPv4 - > you don't need to relearn it, you just need to recognise it. > >> How do we trim all this down to subsets that I actually need to know >> just to operate? > Our courses concentrate on concepts that you can apply to any hardware, > any network. We don't teacj Cisco, Juniper or Mikrotik, we teach IPv6. > >> This needs to be in 20 pages, not the 200+ that you just linked. > Wellll... for a home network maybe. Just. > >> I need pictures. I use a GUI configuration tool, not CLI. > You'll be amazed how little needs configuring. A few router interfaces - > if you have a GUI, it should be able to do IPv6. Then it's just a case > of knowing what to configure, and our courses leave you confidently > knowing that. > > Regards, K. > -- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave Mairehau Christchurch, New Zealand Ph: + 64 3 348 7235 Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699

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Network device discovery
by Paul Adshead 04 Mar '13

04 Mar '13

Hi guys. I'm looking for software that will discover network devices site-wide, as the start-point for an asset management db. Looking for MAC and IP primarily, but if manufacturer\model would be great too. Having command line execution, connectivity diagram output and being opensource\free, would all be a bonus. Not looking forward to having to do it manually, so what's out there to make life easier? Almost time for a beer. Thanks, Paul.

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Fibre / Network connectivity
by Darren Moss 03 Mar '13

03 Mar '13

Hi Noggers, We are looking for some internet connectivity into a new support centre in the Auckland CBD. There is an existing fibre box and a bunch of DSL style ports. Needs to connect with our DC networks in Airedale Street and Rosedale. International connectivity a must. Please contact me off list. Many thanks, Darren.

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APNIC Slashes Costs for New Members
by Skeeve Stevens 28 Feb '13

28 Feb '13

Hey everyone, APNIC has slashed the "IP Resource Allocation Fee" from AU$3500 (ex-GST) to AU$1750 (ex-GST). This means a new member can sign-up and get access to IP resources of up to a /22 of IPv4, IPv6 space and AS numbers. The cost of becoming a new member (with resources) is now: AU$2425 (ex-GST for Australians) which is: AU$675 (ex-GST) + AU$1750 (ex-GST). Please see the official announcement here: http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2013/ip-resource-application-fee-red… ...Skeeve <http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2013/ip-resource-application-fee-red…> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd <http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2013/ip-resource-application-fee-red…> <http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2013/ip-resource-application-fee-red…> <http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2013/ip-resource-application-fee-red…> skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; <http://twitter.com/networkceoau> linkedin.com/in/skeeve twitter.com/networkceoau ; blog: www.network-ceo.net The Experts Who The Experts Call Juniper - Cisco - Cloud

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New Trans-Tasman submarine cable
by Kris Price 20 Feb '13

20 Feb '13

Oh, looky, a new cable: http://www.telecom-media.co.nz/releases_detail.asp?id=3880&page=index I'm curious about something though, maybe someone on the list can share a bit of history. Is Tasman-2 still active in some capacity? I had always assumed it was shutdown after southern cross was built, but it's still shown often on cable maps such as the one in that press release: http://twitpic.com/c4wu2k Cheers Kris

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Re: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable
by Peter Lambrechtsen 19 Feb '13

19 Feb '13

So wouldn't a larger population buy more data due to size and thus get a better discount? Isn't that how typical economics works. Or am I missing something? So wasn't that my main argument about population or lack thereof? ----- Reply message ----- From: "Jay Daley" <jay(a)nzrs.net.nz> To: "Peter Lambrechtsen" <Peter.Lambrechtsen(a)telecom.co.nz> Cc: "nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:31 am On 20/02/2013, at 7:16 AM, Peter Lambrechtsen <Peter.Lambrechtsen(a)telecom.co.nz> wrote: > How are prices high when it costs the same to land data on SCCN NZ-US as it does AU-US and there is 3 cables going into AU? List prices are the same but the unlisted discounts are significant and they favour the stronger buyers. AU buyers are generally much stronger because they buy more bandwidth and they can shop around between cables for prices. Jay > > NZ is a small population with a low wage economy spread across a very mountainous geography that the vast majority of people only use less than 30gb of data.... > > Fix those issues and we will all have cheaper internet. > > Sent from my HTC Wildfire S on Telecom's XT mobile network. > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Chris Hodgetts" <chris(a)archnetnz.com> > To: "nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable > Date: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:15 pm > > > > Yes - more cables does equal good... > > However, given the three Telco's involved... does it still mean high > prices? > > > > On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:32:43 +0000, Christian Nielsen > <cnielsen(a)microsoft.com> wrote: > > More Cables = Good. > > > > This is a pretty good site. Still shows Tasman-2. > > http://submarinecablemap.com/ > > > > Christian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Kris Price > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:29 PM > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable > > > > Oh, looky, a new cable: > > > > http://www.telecom-media.co.nz/releases_detail.asp?id=3880&page=index > > > > I'm curious about something though, maybe someone on the list can share > a > > bit of history. Is Tasman-2 still active in some capacity? > > > > I had always assumed it was shutdown after southern cross was built, but > > it's still shown often on cable maps such as the one in that press > release: > > > > http://twitpic.com/c4wu2k > > > > > > Cheers > > Kris > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Jay Daley Chief Executive .nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited) desk: +64 4 931 6977 mobile: +64 21 678840 linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/jaydaley<http://www.linkedin.com/in/jaydaley>

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Re: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable
by Peter Lambrechtsen 18 Feb '13

18 Feb '13

And the other important part is SCCN "could" charge more to NZ due to the monopoly. But they don't. Plus talking about 1gb plans. That is by far and above the edge cases. We have to remember this is bb for the masses. Most OECD countries have an average GB usage below 40 or so... And they have far more options in the online video content space. So NZ isn't *that* different in that respect. Plus in many of those countries have underground ducting that is reused unlike NZ which makes a massive impact on costs. Last of all much of it gets run by the government so issues with the RMA doesn't apply. Sent from my HTC Wildfire S on Telecom's XT mobile network. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Mauricio Freitas" <freitasm(a)geekzone.co.nz> To: "dean(a)deanpemberton.com" <dean(a)deanpemberton.com>, "Peter Lambrechtsen" <Peter.Lambrechtsen(a)telecom.co.nz> Cc: "nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:19 am Peter was saying that SCX charges the same to NZ companies as they charge AU companies, even though one could obviously say there is a much bigger market in AU. In effect we are paying the (lower) Australian prices for the SCX data. Cheers Mauricio Freitas (@freitasm) www.geekzone.co.nz<http://www.geekzone.co.nz> www.freitasm.com<http://www.freitasm.com> www.twitter.com/freitasm<http://www.twitter.com/freitasm> -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 08:58 To: Peter Lambrechtsen Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Peter Lambrechtsen <Peter.Lambrechtsen(a)telecom.co.nz> wrote: > How are prices high when it costs the same to land data on SCCN NZ-US > as it does AU-US and there is 3 cables going into AU? > Sorry I don't get what you're saying here. Probably just me being dense, could you expand? > NZ is a small population with a low wage economy spread across a very > mountainous geography that the vast majority of people only use less > than 30gb of data.... Thats true, but it changes. At one point it was impossible to imagine that people would even require 1gb/month. You want the speed of capability to keep pace with the speed of demand. The problem is that capability is always slower to accelerate. > > Fix those issues and we will all have cheaper internet. I don't necessarily want cheaper. I want one which matches my expectations more. =) Dean _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable
by Peter Lambrechtsen 18 Feb '13

18 Feb '13

How are prices high when it costs the same to land data on SCCN NZ-US as it does AU-US and there is 3 cables going into AU? NZ is a small population with a low wage economy spread across a very mountainous geography that the vast majority of people only use less than 30gb of data.... Fix those issues and we will all have cheaper internet. Sent from my HTC Wildfire S on Telecom's XT mobile network. ----- Reply message ----- From: "Chris Hodgetts" <chris(a)archnetnz.com> To: "nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable Date: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:15 pm Yes - more cables does equal good... However, given the three Telco's involved... does it still mean high prices? On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:32:43 +0000, Christian Nielsen <cnielsen(a)microsoft.com> wrote: > More Cables = Good. > > This is a pretty good site. Still shows Tasman-2. > http://submarinecablemap.com/ > > Christian > > -----Original Message----- > From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Kris Price > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:29 PM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable > > Oh, looky, a new cable: > > http://www.telecom-media.co.nz/releases_detail.asp?id=3880&page=index > > I'm curious about something though, maybe someone on the list can share a > bit of history. Is Tasman-2 still active in some capacity? > > I had always assumed it was shutdown after southern cross was built, but > it's still shown often on cable maps such as the one in that press release: > > http://twitpic.com/c4wu2k > > > Cheers > Kris > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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APNIC EC election online voting and proxy appointment open
by Dean Pemberton 16 Feb '13

16 Feb '13

Morning all, If you're an APNIC member then it's time to exercise your voting powers. Online voting is now open for the upcoming Executive Council elections. There are four seats open, so you will get a number of votes. Here's a very cut down version of the biographies (wording taken from http://conference.apnic.net/35/elections#nominees) if you're still undecided. James Spenceley James founded Vocus, now one of the largest IP backbone providers in Australia and New Zealand. James has successfully managed Vocus into the awarded fastest growing technology company in Australia. Vocus now listed on the Australian Stock Market offers IP transit, fibre and data centre services in three markets (Australia, New Zealand, Singapore Hong Kong and USA) giving James a strong perspective on operating an Internationally diverse operation and valuable experience in technical and financial matters and corporate governance. James is also a founding director of AusNOG (Australian Network Operators Group), defining the company structure and not for profit nature of the AusNOG orgaisation. Since it's founding in 2007 AusNOG has held six annual conferences which regularly exceed 200 attendees. Guarab Raj Upadhaya Presently employed by Limelight Networks (LLNW) as Network Architect on their backbone engineering team, Gaurab supports Limelight's high speed backbone in Asia, Europe and North America. Gaurab previously worked for Packet Clearing House (PCH) as Senior Internet Analyst Gaurab is one of the 14 global Trusted Community Representatives who cryptographically sign the root of the domain name system in ICANN Root DNSSEC Key ceremonies. During his career, he has spoken and presented at INET, APRICOT, SANOG, APNIC, NZNOG, MENOG, AUSNOG, PHNOG, JANOG, AfNOG, NANOG, ICANN conferences as well as RIPE and LINX Meetings. Kenny Huang Dr. Huang's contributions have been acknowledged especially in the development of Internet technology. Dr. Kenny Huang is the co-author of RFC3743 of the IETF, the Co-Chair of JET (Joint Engineering Team, formed by JPNIC, KRNIC, CNNIC, TWNIC), Advisor of CDNC (Chinese Domain Name Consortium). Dr. Huang is working closely with government departments in developing technology policies. Wei Zhao Deputy Director of Operation Management Department,CNNIC, responsible for IP services, related external cooperation and innovation. At APNIC community, she has been involved in policy developing and other community events since she joined CNNIC. She was served as NIR SIG co-chair in 2009 to 2010, and elected as APNIC Executive Council in 2011. Lengchheang Hong Lengchheang Hong began his career at AsiaForm where he was a network administrator. He then moved on to become a Senior Customer Solutions Support Officer for ONLINE before moving up and becoming the Key Account Manager. He became the Technical Support Manager for SINET-MOOV in March 2010 and was responsible for NOC ISP and its branches' operations. ________________________________________________________________________ Proxy appointment/online voting for 2013 APNIC EC election open now ________________________________________________________________________ Online voting and proxy appointment for the APNIC Executive Council (EC) election opens today, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 for a two-week period until 09:00 (UTC +8), Wednesday, 27 February 2013. The EC members whose positions are up for re-election are: - Kenny Huang - James Spenceley - Guarab Raj Upadhaya - Wei Zhao The nominees are: - Lengchheang Hong - Kenny Huang - Guarab Raj Upadhaya - James Spenceley - Wei Zhao Online voting is available to APNIC Member Corporate Contacts and Member Contacts with voting rights via MyAPNIC. By default, all Corporate Contacts have voting rights, and they can assign voting rights to other contacts in MyAPNIC. https://myapnic.net Full details of the election and alternative voting methods are available at: http://conference.apnic.net/35/elections If you have any questions or need further assistance, please contact: helpdesk(a)apnic.net ________________________________________________________________________ APNIC Secretariat secretariat(a)apnic.net Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61 7 3858 3100 PO Box 3646 South Brisbane, QLD 4101 Australia Fax: +61 7 3858 3199 6 Cordelia Street, South Brisbane, QLD http://www.apnic.net ________________________________________________________________________ * Sent by email to save paper. Print only if necessary.

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Fwd: [ECS Seminars] 2013-02-20 Fred Baker - Buffer Bloat!
by Andy Linton 15 Feb '13

15 Feb '13

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ECS Seminar Notification <seminar-admin(a)ecs.vuw.ac.nz> Date: Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM Subject: [ECS Seminars] 2013-02-20 Fred Baker - Buffer Bloat! To: ecs-seminars(a)ecs.vuw.ac.nz Date: Wednesday 20th February 2013 Time: 11:00 AM - 12:30 PM Location: Cotton Club, Cotton 350 Fred Baker is scheduled to present a seminar about: Buffer Bloat! School of Engineering and Computer Science Seminar Abstract: The networking industry has looked at Quality of Service numbers times, resulting in the Integrated and Differentiated Services Architectures and numerous papers and articles on the topic. In the past few years, the topic has been popularly renamed "Buffer Bloat", and looked at again from the view of autoconfiguration and deployment. In this talk, we will look at Buffer Bloat in access networks, multistage networks such as WiFi, and data centers, each of which has unique issues and requirements. Bio: Cisco Fellow Fred Baker has been involved in data communications since 1978 and the development of the Internet since the 1980's. He participated in early development of IEEE 802.1d switching and IP routing. He has served as the Chair of the Internet Engineering Task Force, chaired several working groups, and written or edited numerous RFCs. He now chairs the IETF's IPv6 Operations Working Group, working with the operational community on IPv6 deployment issues. He also contributes to the Broadband Internet Technical Advisory Group (BITAG). At Cisco, he works with researchers within the company, and with university researchers outside, on various projects. He also advises management and technologists on technical direction. Any queries about this seminar, please email Qiang.Fu(a)ecs.vuw.ac.nz ============================================================================= This message was automatically generated by the ECS Seminars System. View seminars at http://ecs.victoria.ac.nz/Events/Seminars Sub/unsub at http://ecs.victoria.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/ecs-seminars

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ihug Ultra and Proxy Caching
by neals5 12 Feb '13

12 Feb '13

In order to defeat a patent troll, I'm looking for someone who can tell me from their own experience when ihug starting using proxy caching in conjunction with their Ultra satellite service. Unless we've all used so much caffeine our memories don't stretch back to last century? Any replies to me off list, please. I'll be happy to summarise. - Donald Neal

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Transit in Sky Tower for OOB
by Cameron Ferdinands 10 Feb '13

10 Feb '13

Hi All, I'm looking for transit in Sky Tower for OOB access, we're on Level 48, Window 16. looking for anyone on the same level or willing to help do a copper cross-connect between floors Thanks,

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Traceroute question
by Andy Linton 09 Feb '13

09 Feb '13

What do you see if you: $ traceroute 216.81.59.173 with maxhops > 30?

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NZNOG2013
by Patrick Sharp 06 Feb '13

06 Feb '13

Hi, In the aftermath of the NZNOG conference this year, we got sent a portable Optoma Projector. It's not ours which presumably means that someone else is missing it. If it's yours, can you email me and I'll arrange to get it back to you? Cheers, Patrick Sharp CityLink patrick.sharp(a)citylink.co.nz<mailto:patrick.sharp(a)citylink.co.nz> 021 2269 269

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InternetNZ position on APNIC prop-106-v001: Restricting excessive IPv4 address transfers under the final /8 block
by Dean Pemberton 04 Feb '13

04 Feb '13

Here is the InternetNZ position on the second policy for discussion in Singapore. The original policy text can be found here: http://www.apnic.net/__data/assets/text_file/0009/56871/prop-106-v001.txt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ InternetNZ position on prop-106-v001: Restricting excessive IPv4 address transfers under the final /8 block ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Authors: Dean Pemberton dean(a)internetnz.net.nz <javascript:;> 1. Executive Summary -------------------- Prop-106 suggests that based on observations of APNIC IP resource transfer history records, some LIRs seems to be collecting IPv4 address blocks from the ‘final /8’ (103/8). It also suggests that this is being accomplished through the use of multiple accounts to apply for individual /22s, and then transferring these blocks to a single account and that this kind of behaviour is against the spirit of the final /8 policy (prop-088). Prop-106 intends to restrict IPv4 address transfers which were allocated/assigned from the final /8 block. In assessing whether Iupport, oppose, or adopt a position of neutrality on a particular policy proposal, three questions are considered: 1. Does this policy seek to address a well-defined, well-accepted problem? 2. Will the solutions outlined within the proposal effectively mitigate the stated problem? 3. Does the policy proposal fit with InternetNZ policy principles? After consideration the questions above, InternetNZ believes that: 1. Based on information provided by the APNIC secretariat, there is no evidence supporting a threat to exploit any perceived loophole in the APNIC transfer policy. As such this proposal does not address a well-defined, well-accepted problem. 2. The options presented within this policy proposal will have no material effect on the sorts of IP resource hoarding activity being suggested to occur in the problem statement. 3. This policy proposal does not fit within several of InternetNZ policy principles, namely those of: Openness, Market competition, Working with the architecture of the internet and accessibility of the internet for all. As such InternetNZ opposes the adoption of APNIC prop-106 as presented in version 001. 2. Does this policy seek to address a well-defined, well-accepted problem? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prop-106 states: "The current APNIC IPv4 address transfer policy allows to obtain a maximum of /22 distribution(s) per each APNIC account holder. We propose add a restriction to IPv4 address transfer policy to restricting excessive IPv4 address transfers under the final /8 block." This proposal looks to close a perceived loophole in APNIC's transfer policy that is suggested would allow a single actor to obtain, through mergers and acquisitions (M&As), more than their allowed /22 from the final /8. Prop-106 suggests that this activity has already been observed and as such a policy is required to close the perceived loophole. In considering if this perceived loophole exists and is actually being exploited, InternetNZ has used information provided by the APNIC secretariat. There are 16,384 /22 blocks available from 103/8. APNIC has made 2,110 (12.9%[1]) delegations so far. Of those delegations, 32 (1.5% of allocations, or 0.2% of the total available) have been transferred. This consists of 24 standard transfers and 8 M&A transfers. 15 APNIC members have more than a single /22 from 103/8 associated with their account. The highest number is 5 x /22s in one account. These five /22 blocks represent 0.03% of the address space within 103/8. It would appear, based on this information, that there is not currently a large amount of activity looking to exploit any perceived loophole in existing APNIC transfer policy. As such, InternetNZ does not believe that this proposal seeks to address a well-defined, well-accepted problem. 3. Will the solutions outlined within the proposal effectively mitigate the stated problem? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prop-106 suggests two options that claim to close the perceived loophole in APNIC's transfer policy: Option 1: Restrict IPv4 address transfers under the final /8 address block for two years. Option 2: Set a deposit for transfers under the final /8 range. Pay ten years of APNIC's annual fees for transferred address block[s] in advance when receiving the final /8 address range by address transfer or account name change. Both of these options seek to dissuade an actor from transferring 103/8 addresses from multiple shell companies to a single APNIC account. It should be noted however, that there is nothing to stop such an actor from registering and using the same addresses and wilfully failing to notify APNIC. In such a scenario the actor would have access to multiple /22s from the 103/8 block, but the APNIC registration database would reflect that these were held by different entities. The options presented in prop-106 are intended to influence the behaviour of actors that are operating outside the intent of the last /8 policy. InternetNZ suggests that if such actors exist, and are seeking to operate outside APNIC policy, they are unlikely to comply with the proposed policy presented here. As such, InternetNZ believes that this proposed policy will have no material effect on the sorts of IP resource-hoarding activity that is suggested in the problem statement. 4. Does the policy proposal fit within InternetNZ policy principles? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A set of eight policy principles[2] underpin the work of InternetNZ and help ensure that our approach to Internet-related public and technical policy is transparent and predictable. Internally, the principles guide the development of policy positions and statements. Externally, they explain the basis of InternetNZ’s views to our stakeholders and to the general public. Any proposal that InternetNZ takes a position on is evaluated against these principles. Six of the eight principles apply with respect to prop-106. They are the following: ** Principle No. 1 The Internet should be open and uncapturable. ** In considering a policy proposal using this principle, InternetNZ looks to see if there will be a material effect to openness and/or non capturability. Openness -------- As stated above, there is a material concern that one outcome of this policy would be to discourage actors to from interacting with APNIC during merger & acquisition activity (regardless of their intentions for procuring the addresses). Such a move would have a material effect on the openness of the Internet through an erosion of trust in the ability of the APNIC database to accurately represent the ownership of IP resources. Uncapturable ------------ There is a small chance that an actor could register multiple companies, gain /22 resources and then acquire them. Information provided by the APNIC secretariat shows that this situation is either not occurring, or is occurring at such a low level as to not pose a material threat to the capturability of the Internet. It is accepted that should this situation change in the future that intervention may be required and a watching brief should be kept on the situation. ** Principle No. 2 Internet markets should be competitive. ** For a market to be competitive it must not place any significant barriers on new entrants, nor should it place significant barriers on the natural growth of organisations through M&As. As stated above, prop-106 proposes to place barriers on any entity looking to complete M&A activity involving IP resources from 103/8. If these actors have benign intent and wish to operate within APNIC policies, these barriers will place an undue burden on them. If on the other hand the actors have malicious intent, there are numerous ways for them to avoid the burdens imposed by these policies and achieve their outcomes. As such InternetNZ believes that this policy will have a negative impact on the competition within the Internet market. ** Principle No. 3 Internet governance should be determined by open, multi-stakeholder processes. ** APNIC has an open, multi-stakeholder policy development process. This proposal does nothing to alter that. ** Principle No. 4 Laws and policies should work with the architecture of the Internet, not against it. ** By placing barriers in the way of all M&A activity, APNIC may discourage actors from updating IP resource usage in the APNIC database. This would cause a loss of trust in the integrity of the information in the APNIC database. As this information is used to make decisions related to security, incident response and even routing decisions on the Internet, InternetNZ believes that the effects of this proposal could act against the architecture of the Internet. ** Principle No. 6 The Internet should be accessible by and inclusive of everyone. ** The Internet is undergoing a significant period of growth, especially in developing markets (such as BRIC[3]). While it is an established fact that IPv4 addresses have all but been exhausted and IPv6 represents the only sustainable future direction, access to IPv4 resources is currently a major requirement for the rapid deployment of Internet access throughout these growing economies. InternetNZ believes that placing barriers such as those proposed by prop-106 on M&A activities may have a negative effect on Internet deployment and growth within developing economies in the region. ** Principle No. 7 Technology changes quickly, so laws and policies should focus on activity. ** There is clear evidence of significant activity in terms of Internet growth within the region. This is shown through the allocation of 11-12% of the final /8 in a relatively short period of time. Given that IPv6 is accepted as the only clear future deployment direction for the Internet, yet there is a clear short-term demand for IPv4 resources, InternetNZ believes that barriers should not be placed in the way of getting these resources to those who require them to provide solutions to current technical problems. 5. Summary ---------- After consideration of the material above, InternetNZ believes that: 1. Based on information provided by the APNIC secretariat, there is no evidence supporting a threat to exploit any perceived loophole in the APNIC transfer policy. As such this proposal does not address a well-defined, well-accepted problem. 2. The options presented within this policy proposal will have no material effect on the sorts of IP resource hoarding activity being suggested to occur in the problem statement. 3. This policy proposal does not fit within several of InternetNZ policy principles, namely those of: Openness, Market competition, Working with the architecture of the internet and accessibility of the internet for all. As such InternetNZ opposes the adoption of APNIC prop-106 as presented in version 001. Dean Pemberton Policy Advisor InternetNZ dean(a)internetnz.net.nz <javascript:;> ________________ [1] Some delegations are of smaller size (/24 or /23) so the utilisation is actually closer to 11%. [2] https://internetnz.net.nz/content/Policy-Principles [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC

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InternetNZ position on APNIC prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks
by Dean Pemberton 04 Feb '13

04 Feb '13

Morning all, There are two policy proposals for discussion at the upcoming APNIC conference in Singapore. They are in addition to the presentation Elly made at the conference (They came in late). InternetNZ has reviewed the proposals and made a submission on each. The first one is prop-105. The original text of the proposal can be found here: http://www.apnic.net/__data/assets/text_file/0010/56872/prop-105-v001.txt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ InternetNZ position on prop-105-v001: Distribution of returned IPv4 address blocks (Modification of prop-088) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Authors: Dean Pemberton dean(a)internetnz.net.nz <javascript:;> 1. Executive Summary -------------------- Prop-105 highlight the fact that under current APNIC policy, any future IPv4 address resources made available via IANA (or any other mechanism) would be subject to allocation purely based on the guidelines within the ‘last /8’ policy (prop-088). Prop-105 suggests that, based on the demonstrated need for IPv4 addresses (citing that 70% of the respondents to a recent survey expressed a need to receive additional IPv4 address space), any additional APNIC allocations should be handled outside prop-088 guidelines. The central issue prop-105 has with the prop-088 guidelines is that once an APNIC member has applied to recieve a blocst /8 (currently a /22), they are not eligible for any additional address space. Prop-105 seeks to amend prop-088 to allow members to receive a single block from 103/8 (the last /8) in additional to a single block from any space which APNIC might receive subsequently. In assessing whether InternetNZ will support, oppose, or adopt a position of neutrality on a particular policy proposal, three questions are considered. 1. Does this policy seek to address a well defined, well accepted problem? 2. Will the solutions outlined within the proposal effectively mitigate the stated problem? 3. Does the policy proposal fit with InternetNZ policy principles? After consideration of the questions above, InternetNZ: 1. believes that even though there is a demonstrated demand for IPv4 addresses, it does not accept that a situation exists whereby changes are required to prop-088 for APNIC to cater for additional IPv4 resources from IANA. 2. does not believe that allowing APNIC members to receive additional allocations from small blocks received from IANA will make a material difference to the demand for IPv4 addressing. 3. believes that the proposal has the potential to send the wrong message with regard to the importance of IPv6 adoption as opposed to continued IPv4 deployment. 4. This policy proposal does not fit within several of InternetNZ policy principles, namely those of: Working with the architecture of the Internet and focusing on technical activity. As such InternetNZ opposes the adoption of APNIC prop-105 as presented in version 001. 2. Does this policy seek to address a well-defined, well-accepted problem? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prop-105 states: “While rapid implementation of IPv6 is in progress throughout the APNIC region, demands for IPv4 address still continue. According to our survey conducted to the APNIC community, over 70% of the respondents expressed the needs to receive IPv4 address space, if a separate distribution policy is defined from the final /8 policy. In May 2012, the global policy “Global Policy for Post Exhaustion: IPv4 Allocation Mechanisms by the IANA” was ratified by ICANN board, and it will be implemented soon. Based on this policy, IPv4 address space returned to IANA will be distributed to RIRs, and its size is not expected to be so large but substantial enough to be able to consider an additional minimum allocation for APNIC members.” The APNIC secretariat states that they have so far pre-approved 43 requests, for a total space of 1,717,504 IP addresses (this equates to roughly just over half a /12 worth of address space). The study cited in prop-105, coupled with the stats from the APNIC secretariat clearly demonstrates a demand for IPv4 resources, what is unclear however, is if a situation will ever exist under which this policy will become relevant. It can be effectively argued that it is uncertain if IANA will ever allocate a meaningful amount of additional IPv4 address space to APNIC for LIR allocation. In the absence of that occurring, this problem this policy seeks to solve would not exist. As such, InternetNZ accepts that there is a demonstrated demand for IPv4 addresses, but does not accept that a situation exists whereby changes are required to prop-088 for APNIC to cater for additional IPv4 resources from IANA. 3. Will the solutions outlined within the proposal effectively mitigate the stated problem? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prop-105 presents the following as a solution to the the perceived problem: “Modify prop-088 to distribute non-103 IPv4 address blocks to APNIC account holders who meet the IPv4 distribution criteria define in APNIC policies. If APNIC account holder, who was allocated an /22 from final /8 pool, needs an additional IPv4 address block, they are eligible to receive another distribution of IPv4 block. The same policy as the final /8 policy will be applied in terms of the criteria and the size of the distribution given the requestor has utilized a total of /22 block from 103/8.” This is assumed to mean that APNIC members are free to obtain a /22 from 103/8 as well as an additional /22 from any subsequent block of IPv4 addresses that APNIC might obtain from IANA (or other mechanisms). While at a high level this might appear to be a solution to the stated problem, it does not accurately present itself as a standalone policy, nor does it reference the parts of prop-88 which would need to change, nor any suggested replacement text. Prop-105 also neglects to define conditions such as the minimum size of additional allocation under which this policy would be enacted. The ICANN policy referred to by the author states: “The purpose of the proposal is to enable ICANN, as the IANA Functions Operator, to allocate IPv4 blocks returned by the RIRs. ICANN would place IPv4 blocks returned by the RIRs in a Recovered IPv4 Pool. This Pool would be declared active when one RIR has less than half its last /8 left, approximately 8m IPv4 addresses. The IANA Functions Operator would then allocate an "IPv4 allocation unit" (minimum size /24) to each RIR, if the Pool size so permits. If the space available in the Pool is too limited, allocation would be deferred in 6 month intervals until space is available.” It is clear from this wording that ICANN envisages small addresses being handed back to RIRs (evident by the use of a minimum /24 size reference). If for example APNIC were to receive a /20 from IANA (equivalent to 4 /22s) it would be hard to see how a change to the existing prop-088 policy would be justified. If on the other hand APNIC were to receive an additional /8 from IANA, then there may be a case to justify allowing members an additional allocation from this block. While all these are technical possibilities, InternetNZ in defining its position must take into account the probability of each event occurring. While it is impossible to predict the future, InternetNZ feels that it is far more likely that a number of small (<= /20) blocks, if any, will be made available from IANA rather than any significantly large blocks (<= /16). It should also be noted that it was the intent of prop-088 that an APNIC member’s allocation from the last /8 be used to facilitate adoption of and transition to IPv6. It was not intended to be used for day to day operational purposes. As such, InternetNZ does not believe that allowing APNIC members to receive additional allocations from small blocks received from IANA will make a material difference to the demand for IPv4 addressing. InternetNZ also believes that it has the potential to send the wrong message with regard to the importance of IPv6 adoption as opposed to continued IPv4 deployment. 4. Does the policy proposal fit within InternetNZ policy principles? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A set of eight policy principles[1] underpin the work of InternetNZ and help ensure that our approach to Internet-related public and technical policy is transparent and predictable. Internally, the principles guide the development of policy positions and statements. Externally, they explain the basis of InternetNZ’s views to our stakeholders and to the general public. Any proposal that InternetNZ takes a position on is evaluated against these principles. Five of the eight principles apply with respect to prop-105. They are the following: ** Principle No. 2 Internet markets should be competitive. ** Allowing existing APNIC members to receive additional allocations from subsequent IANA allocations will reduce the ability of new entrants to receive initial allocations under the existing prop-088 framework. While this is a possibility, the amount of address space envisaged to be allocated by IANA is expected to be so small as for this effect to be considered minor. As such InternetNZ believes that this policy will have a negligible impact on the competition within the Internet market. ** Principle No. 3. Internet governance should be determined by open, multi-stakeholder processes. ** APNIC has an open, multi-stakeholder policy development process. This proposal does nothing to alter that. ** Principle No. 4. Laws and policies should work with the architecture of the Internet, not against it. ** InternetNZ believes that the future of Internet deployment is with IPv6. Anything which artificially prolongs the life of IPv4 at the expense of wide scale IPv6 adoption is seen to be acting against the architecture of the Internet. The intent of prop-088 was that an APNIC member’s allocation from the last /8 was to be used to facilitate adoption of and transition to IPv6. As such InternetNZ believes that this proposal acts against the architecture of the Internet, by prolonging members reliance on IPv4 resources. ** Principle No. 6 The Internet should be accessible by and inclusive of everyone. ** InternetNZ accepts that in order to ensure that the Internet is accessible to and inclusive of everyone that APNIC members require access to IPv4 resources while they transition to using IPv6. It is our position however that this access is already catered for under the existing prop-088 mechanism. If a situation exists under which a member requires additional IPv4 resources, then this can be accomplished through existing APNIC address transfer mechanisms and the growing IPv4 marketplace. As such, InternetNZ does not believe that the adoption of this proposal is required to ensure the accessibility of the Internet. ** Principle No. 7. Technology changes quickly, so laws and policies should focus on activity. ** InternetNZ accepts that there is a current demand for IPv4 addresses, it believes however that the appropriate mechanism for the fulfilment of this demand is: 1. Allocation of a final /22 from the last /8 as per prop-088 guidelines. 2. Timely adoption of IPv6 delivered services 3. Any additional IPv4 resources sourced through existing transfer policies and recorded accurately in the APNIC database. 5. Summary ---------- After consideration the questions above, InternetNZ: 1. believes that even though there is a demonstrated demand for IPv4 addresses, it does not accept that a situation exists whereby changes are required to prop-088 for APNIC to cater for additional IPv4 resources from IANA. 2. does not believe that allowing APNIC members to receive additional allocations from small blocks received from IANA will make a material difference to the demand for IPv4 addressing. 3. believes that the proposal has the potential to send the wrong message with regard to the importance of IPv6 adoption as opposed to continued IPv4 deployment. 4. This policy proposal does not fit within several of InternetNZ policy principles, namely those of: Working with the architecture of the Internet and focusing on technical activity. As such InternetNZ opposes the adoption of APNIC prop-105 as presented in version 001. Dean Pemberton Policy Advisor InternetNZ dean(a)internetnz.net.nz <javascript:;> ________________ [1] https://internetnz.net.nz/content/Policy-Principles

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NLNZ 2013 Harvest Underway
by Jay Gattuso 04 Feb '13

04 Feb '13

Hi All, Just a quick note to let you know the NLNZ 2013 national domain crawl and the NLNZ .nz domain survey crawl has begun. We anticipate the national domain crawl will run for a period of two weeks followed by a week or two of patching/QA. The survey crawl is slash page only and will conclude sooner. Please let me know if you experience any issues as a result of this crawl, or if you have any questions. Best, Jay Jay Gattuso | Digital Preservation Analyst | Preservation, Research and Consultancy National Library of New Zealand | Te Puna Mātauranga o Aotearoa PO Box 1467 Wellington 6140 New Zealand | +64 (0)4 474 3064 jay.gattuso(a)dia.govt.nz<mailto:jay.gattuso(a)natlib.govt.nz>

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Has nznog.org done something to offend google?
by Andrew Jones 03 Feb '13

03 Feb '13

I was searching for the site to look at some conference presentations, but it looks like the site has fallen off the google index. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=site:nznog.org Cheers, Andrew

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New prefixes at APE, WIX and CHIX: 103.245.172.0/22 and 2406:1700::/32
by Michael Fincham 31 Jan '13

31 Jan '13

Hi everyone, (cross-posted to NZNOG since nzix-route-announce still seems pretty much dead...) We intend to begin announcing the prefixes 103.245.172.0/22 and 2406:1700::/32 to the APE, WIX and CHIX in approximately 2 weeks. These prefix will be originated from AS38477. This will bring our total set of (le 24) announced IPv4 prefixes to: 114.23.96.0/22 originated from AS38477 113.130.120.0/22 originated from AS38294 path: 38477 38294 116.90.128.0/20 originated from AS38477 202.6.116.0/23 originated from AS38477 192.138.251.0/24 originated from AS38590 path: 38477 38590 182.50.160.0/22 originated from AS45641 path: 38477 45641 116.90.135.0/24 originated from AS45641 path: 38477 45641 202.37.124.0/23 originated from AS38477 131.203.133.0/24 originated from AS56102 path: 38477 56102 131.203.134.0/23 originated from AS56102 path: 38477 56102 202.44.60.0/22 originated from AS56214 path: 38477 56214 202.50.102.0/24 originated from AS38477 103.11.124.0/22 originated from AS38477 103.246.250.0/24 originated from AS38477 122.102.108.0/23 originated from AS38477 103.8.232.0/22 originated from AS132255 path: 38477 132255 103.247.56.0/24 originated from AS38477 103.245.172.0/22 originated from AS38477 And our v6 prefixes: 2401:f000::/32 from AS38477 2406:1e00:6000::/35 from AS38477 2407:2400::/32 from AS45641 2400:C000::/32 from AS38294 2001:df0:dc::/48 from AS38590 2403:B700::/32 from AS132255 2406:1700::/32 from AS38477 These prefixes are being announced in cooperation with Orca Communications Ltd. -- -Michael Fincham System Administrator, Unleash www.unleash.co.nz Phone: 0800 750 250

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Re: [nznog] Best local presentation at NZNOG2013
by donald＠resolveware.com 29 Jan '13

29 Jan '13

I appreciate the feedback. NZNOG are a great group. I've put a copy at http://www.resolveware.com/UFB_Realities.pptx Regards, Donald Love On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Joel van Velden wrote: > Are there any presenters' slides available online? > > Regards, > Joel van Velden ______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list <mailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] Best local presentation at NZNOG2013
by Andy Linton 29 Jan '13

29 Jan '13

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Gerard Linstrom <Gerard.Linstrom(a)chorus.co.nz> wrote: > Congratulations Don, > > A well deserved win. > I'll second that!

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Re: [nznog] Best local presentation at NZNOG2013
by Gerard Linstrom 29 Jan '13

29 Jan '13

Congratulations Don, A well deserved win. Regards Gerard Linstrom Chorus -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: Wednesday, 30 January 2013 12:00 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: NZNOG Digest, Vol 121, Issue 19 Send NZNOG mailing list submissions to nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz You can reach the person managing the list at nznog-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NZNOG digest..." Today's Topics: 1. NLNZ WOD 2013 Update (Jay Gattuso) 2. Best local presentation at NZNOG2013 (Gerard Creamer) 3. Re: Best local presentation at NZNOG2013 (Joel van Velden) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:12:43 +0000 From: Jay Gattuso <Jay.Gattuso(a)dia.govt.nz> To: "nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: [nznog] NLNZ WOD 2013 Update Message-ID: <178721665.17254.1359418364413.JavaMail.root(a)s111-0006-lnv06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Hi All, Thank you for your patience and accommodation of the whole of domain harvest thus far. We have concluded the initial crawl, and are currently poised to move into the harvest proper. I initially informed you of our intent to commence the main crawl on the 4th Feb, we are actually ready to start the full harvest today, and we may ask the IA to start the harvest slightly ahead of schedule. I also wondered if there was any useful / interesting stats or data on the harvest I could provide for you during runtime? I intend to send a round up message to this group when the harvest is completed (including some of the key information points) - but if there is interest in more frequent updates I'm happy to oblige. As ever, if anyone has any questions or concerns, please feel free to drop me a line or reply on the list. Many thanks Jay Jay Gattuso | Digital Preservation Analyst | Preservation, Research and Consultancy National Library of New Zealand | Te Puna M?tauranga o Aotearoa PO Box 1467 Wellington 6140 New Zealand | +64 (0)4 474 3064 jay.gattuso(a)dia.govt.nz<mailto:jay.gattuso(a)natlib.govt.nz>

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NLNZ WOD 2013 Update
by Jay Gattuso 28 Jan '13

28 Jan '13

Hi All, Thank you for your patience and accommodation of the whole of domain harvest thus far. We have concluded the initial crawl, and are currently poised to move into the harvest proper. I initially informed you of our intent to commence the main crawl on the 4th Feb, we are actually ready to start the full harvest today, and we may ask the IA to start the harvest slightly ahead of schedule. I also wondered if there was any useful / interesting stats or data on the harvest I could provide for you during runtime? I intend to send a round up message to this group when the harvest is completed (including some of the key information points) - but if there is interest in more frequent updates I'm happy to oblige. As ever, if anyone has any questions or concerns, please feel free to drop me a line or reply on the list. Many thanks Jay Jay Gattuso | Digital Preservation Analyst | Preservation, Research and Consultancy National Library of New Zealand | Te Puna Mātauranga o Aotearoa PO Box 1467 Wellington 6140 New Zealand | +64 (0)4 474 3064 jay.gattuso(a)dia.govt.nz<mailto:jay.gattuso(a)natlib.govt.nz>

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NZNOG-13 Webcast
by Richard Naylor 26 Jan '13

26 Jan '13

For those intrerested, NZNOG-13 was a little quieter than NZNOG-12. Audience was 1714 viewers from 21 countries. Total data shifted was 220GBytes. This doesn't include mobile viewers - there were roughly 790 of them. Its a different CDN and doesn't give a lot of stats Videos will be online asap, but we're just starting a 7 day event, with a large audience. Rich

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NZIX survey
by Jamie Baddeley 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

Hi There, For those of you at the conference yesterday that saw the Citylink update you may recall a survey I mentioned. In case you forgot the link, here it is again.. http://surveymonkey.com/s/nzix Cheers jamie

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Tshirts are here, cash is preferred, come collect from me if you're at the venue
by Sam Russell 24 Jan '13

24 Jan '13

-- Sam Russell Network Engineer Research & Education Advanced Network NZ Ltd ddi: +64 4 913 6365 mob: +64 21 750 819 fax: +64 4 916 0064 http://www.reannz.co.nz

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