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Cidr report
by Andy Linton 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

Can I recommend the following web site to the list? http://www.cidr-report.org Lots of interesting stats about route announcements on the core of the net in particular those which are less than optimal. I'd suggest that all of us here who announce prefixes by BGP should at least go the the section at the very bottom of the page and generate the report for the AS numbers we're responsible for and take some action on the output if necessary. For example, Citylink's office network uses AS23754 and the report shows the following: (http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=as23754 will give a better formatted view) --- Announced Prefixes Rank AS Type Originate Addr Space (pfx) Transit Addr space (pfx) Description 8920 AS23754 ORIGIN Originate: 2560 /20.68 Transit: 0 /0.00 CITYLINK-AS-NZ Citylink Aggregation Suggestions This report does not take into account conditions local to each origin AS in terms of policy or traffic engineering requirements, so this is an approximate guideline as to aggregation possibilities. Rank AS AS Name Current Wthdw Aggte Annce Redctn % 12949 AS23754 CITYLINK-AS-NZ Citylink 4 0 0 4 0 0.00% AS23754: CITYLINK-AS-NZ Citylink Prefix (AS Path) Aggregation Action 198.48.0.0/22 1221 2764 3643 7657 23754 202.8.44.0/22 1221 2764 3643 7657 23754 202.37.19.0/24 1221 2764 3643 7657 23754 203.118.144.0/24 1221 2764 3643 7657 23754 Advertisements that are fragments of the original RIR allocation (more specifics) originated by this AS. AS23754 1 More Specifics 4 Total Advertisements CITYLINK-AS-NZ Citylink 203.118.144.0/24 (203.118.128.0/18) --- So it looks like I need to check with IHUG, our upstream, and see why they're announcing our particular subnet of 203.118.128.0/18 as well as the superblock. I've just come back from APRICOT where I saw a presentation that indicated that if we all were to get this sort of thing sorted out we'd reduce the size of the global routing table by 30% Let's get the NZ annoucements sorted at least!

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (2004-02-27) (2nd Try - Revised)
by Craig Whitmore 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) nationally, please update your prefix lists with the following networks (also in attached file) Added: ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.50.167.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.37.19.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.37.194.0/24 Thanks Craig Whitmore Systems Administrator Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (2004-02-27)
by Craig Whitmore 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) nationally, please update your prefix lists with the following networks (also in attached file) Added: ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.50.167.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.37.19.0/24 Thanks Craig Whitmore Systems Administrator Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Wellington ADSL Possible Mini-Outages
by Tristram Cheer 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

Afternoon all, A few of our clients are experiencing 20-50sec ADSL outages in the Wellington CBD and Hutt areas, we are also experiencing the same issue at work. Is anyone else out there having 20-50sec outages where they cant get a ping out?? Regards ############################################ Tristram Cheer Mobile: - 021-334-766 Work: - 04-499-9486 Fax: - 04-499-9586 After Hours: - 04-237-7593 ############################################################################ ######### This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient.

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(no subject)
by Donald Kneels 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

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Organising the Next NZNOG Conference
by Donald Neal 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

People, As discussed at the conference last month, a committee is now being called into existence to ensure that the next NZNOG conference happens. I asked that those who'd volunteered to be part of that group email me. I've so far received emails from: Neil Fenemor Nathan Ward I'm confident I have working email addresses for Joe Abley Jamie Curtis Simon Lyall Tony McGregor Lin Nah Could the other volunteers please also email me fairly soon and tell me what addresses you'd like to use for this purpose? I'm asking this because I don't hold email addresses for all of you. Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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(no subject)
by Philip D'Ath 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

Is it just me, or does this patent seem a bit extreme? http://ipwatch.internetnz.net.nz/files.asp?itemID=%7B2%30367DDC%2D6D29%2 D4%303F%2D838B%2DC%308366%30C8%304E%7D Abstract: A method for ordering a product over an internetwork of computer systems, wherein the product is ordered from a consumer computer (42) connected to the internetwork and billed by a billing server (34) connected to the internetwork comprises: (a) establishing a connection between the consumer computer and the billing server via the internetwork of computer systems; (b) transferring an order for a product from the consumer computer to the billing server via the internetwork; (c) transferring a transaction identification from the billing server to the consumer computer, wherein the transaction identification identifies the product ordered; (d) terminating the connection between the consumer computer and the billing server via the internetwork after the transaction identifier has been received by the consumer computer via the internetwork; (e) establishing a direct connection between the consumer computer and the billing server such as a telephone link administered by a telephone service provider and (f) transferring the transaction identification from the consumer computer back to the billing via the direct connection to identify the product ordered. CCNP, BCMS Philip D'Ath.

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Anyone got contact info for free.net.nz?
by Russell Fulton 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

Subject says it all. I've got a small problem I need to discuss with someone from free.net.nz and I'd rather not call their 0900 support line... -- Russell Fulton /~\ The ASCII Network Security Officer \ / Ribbon Campaign The University of Auckland X Against HTML New Zealand / \ Email!

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RE: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit.
by Riden, Jamie 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

It's in a few DNSBLs but not specifically for being an open proxy or trojaned box. But if it's in dynamic space, it might have recently changed its IP address. http://openrbl.org/ Lookup 67.172.127.63 (c-67-172-127-63.client.comcast.net) in 20+11 Zones AS: 67.160.0.0/12 AS6172 HomeCorp Redwood City/California Net 67/8 NET67 Chantilly, Virginia Results: Positive=6, Negative=25 (2004-02-23 18:30:32 UTC) @DYNAMIC/dialup: 67.172/16: 553 SORBS DUL @SPAM/spamsource: 67.172.127/24: 553 SPEWS [1] comcast/attbi, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2963 SORBS/sorbs.net: 67.172/16: 553 SORBS DUL [Remove] SPEWS/spews.org: 67.172.127/24: 553 SPEWS2 [1] comcast/attbi, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2963 RFC_IPWH/ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org: Inaccurate or missing WHOIS data BLARS/block.blars.org: INET 127.1.0.1 Negative 25: @COUNTRY @ISP AHBL BOGONS BONDED BOPM CBL DRBL DSBL FIVETEN INTERSIL JIPPGMA LNSG NJABL NOMORE ORDB PSBL PSS REYNOLDS SBL SPAMBAG SPAMCOP SPAMRBL SPAMSITE UCEPROT cheers, Jamie > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 6:14 a.m. > To: 'nznog NOG' > Subject: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit. > > > Hey Folks, > > It's been a while since I've looked at email headers... > Anyone want to tell me which of the below headers are real, > and which (if any) are forged? Instinct would tell me that > it's straight-forward, and someone rooted a box in the states > on a cable modem, but I have no idea what to believe these days. > > Cheers, > > JB > > ------------------ > > Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz ([130.217.66.62]) > by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmxc15) with ESMTP > id <2004022316453701500ncss5e>; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 > 16:45:37 +0000 > X-Originating-IP: [130.217.66.62] > Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP > id 4EC10127A79; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:45:34 +1300 (NZDT) > Received: from telescum (c-67-172-127-63.client.comcast.net > [67.172.127.63]) > by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id AA66312782A > for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:44:20 +1300 > (NZDT) > From: Donald(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz, Neal(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz > To: the(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz, guys(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz > Message-Id: <20040223164420.AA66312782A(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:44:20 +1300 (NZDT) > Cc: > Subject: [nznog] (no subject) > X-BeenThere: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 > Precedence: list > List-Id: New Zealand Network Operators Group > <nznog.list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, > <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog> > List-Post: <mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Help: <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, > <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=subscribe> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donald.neal(a)telecom.co.nz [mailto:donald.neal(a)telecom.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:54 AM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: [nznog] (no subject) > > I like to heat p[enis > da > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nzn> og > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG > mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nzn> og >

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RE: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit.
by Gordon Smith 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

Most likely an open proxy, rather than a compromised machine. Typical spammer tactic is to bounce off these to avoid being shut down. Cheers, Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 6:14 a.m. To: 'nznog NOG' Subject: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit. Hey Folks, It's been a while since I've looked at email headers... Anyone want to tell me which of the below headers are real, and which (if any) are forged? Instinct would tell me that it's straight-forward, and someone rooted a box in the states on a cable modem, but I have no idea what to believe these days. Cheers, JB

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RE: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit.
by Will Steele 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

looks like someone cant use telnet :) my guess is its someone in america :P _________________________________________________________________ Gaming galore at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming !

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an interesting excercise in whodoneit.
by Jonathan Brewer 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

Hey Folks, It's been a while since I've looked at email headers... Anyone want to tell me which of the below headers are real, and which (if any) are forged? Instinct would tell me that it's straight-forward, and someone rooted a box in the states on a cable modem, but I have no idea what to believe these days. Cheers, JB ------------------ Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz ([130.217.66.62]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmxc15) with ESMTP id <2004022316453701500ncss5e>; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:45:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [130.217.66.62] Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC10127A79; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:45:34 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from telescum (c-67-172-127-63.client.comcast.net [67.172.127.63]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id AA66312782A for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:44:20 +1300 (NZDT) From: Donald(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz, Neal(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz To: the(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz, guys(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz Message-Id: <20040223164420.AA66312782A(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:44:20 +1300 (NZDT) Cc: Subject: [nznog] (no subject) X-BeenThere: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: New Zealand Network Operators Group <nznog.list.waikato.ac.nz> List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog> List-Post: <mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> List-Help: <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=subscribe> -----Original Message----- From: donald.neal(a)telecom.co.nz [mailto:donald.neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:54 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [nznog] (no subject) I like to heat p[enis da _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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(no subject)
by donald.neal＠telecom.co.nz 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

I like to heat p[enis da

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(no subject)
by Donald＠newman.its.waikato.ac.nz 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

hi guys, I kneed help, I have been stuck in my chair all week end and I cant get out, my ass is too fat, please send help

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(no subject)
by nznog＠list.waikato.ac.nz 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

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annual beer-related APRICOT mail
by Joe Abley 21 Feb '04

21 Feb '04

Anybody here planning to go to (or already at) APRICOT in KL?

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Great - spammer learning from viruses [Fwd: become and larger man...]
by Steve Withers 19 Feb '04

19 Feb '04

I wasn't happy to see SPAM arrive with what is probably Rory's real e-mail address.....spoofed just like a virus would. Steve

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OT: VoIP <-> PSTN gateway operators in NZ
by Neil Simmonds 18 Feb '04

18 Feb '04

Hi, Sorry for the OT post, Is there anyone in NZ operating (in production, or close to it) a VoIP to PSTN gateway? Preferably SIP based? If so, could they email me, or email me a contact from the company?. Im looking for an allready established network rather than creating my own (expensive :o) Cheers Rob You could try iHug or WorldxChange They both have real customers on VoIP, their own soft-switches and PSTN connections. Neil

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NZNOG BGP'04 Wrapup
by Jamie Curtis 16 Feb '04

16 Feb '04

Hi all, After much delay we have managed to update the NZNOG conference website at: http://www.nznog.org We now have up all the slides which we were able to get hold of, some simple statistics on the network usage over the term of the conference and the photos which were taken during the conference. Apologies for the quality of the photos, we didn't have appropriate gear for the size of the venue, but most importantly we lacked competent photographers ! :) Enjoy ! Jamie

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Beer
by Andy Linton 16 Feb '04

16 Feb '04

Please note that despite the subject line of Beer this message may be in breach of NZNOG AUP: 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. Of course you may recognise yourself in the following. ------- How many group/list posters does it take to change a light bulb? 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs 53 to flame the spell checkers 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp" 15 know-it-alls who claim *they* were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct 156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy" 109 to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb group 203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb group about changing light bulbs be stopped 111 to defend the posting to this group saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this group 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty 27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group 33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too" 12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy 19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three" 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ 44 to ask what is a "FAQ" 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" 143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs" 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again....

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OT: VoIP <-> PSTN gateway operators in NZ
by Robert McDonald 12 Feb '04

12 Feb '04

Hi, Sorry for the OT post, Is there anyone in NZ operating (in production, or close to it) a VoIP to PSTN gateway? Preferably SIP based? If so, could they email me, or email me a contact from the company?. Im looking for an allready established network rather than creating my own (expensive :o) Cheers Rob

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Re: Telecom and Jetstream
by Anaru Hartley 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

> So what? Your response would be the perfect Telecom response <read, > irrelevant>. The cost of buying and installing 2000 DSlams in NZ is not > likely to be different by more than a couple of percent to the cost of > installing 30000 DSlams in Mexico. The cost of copper cable is pretty much > the same anywhere. The difference in consumer pricing is the amount Telecom > takes as "profit" compared to other telcos... My message was not intended to be pro or anti Telecom. All I was suggesting is that out of 100,000,000 people only 3,500,000 use the Internet -- maybe there is something wrong -- what I was emplying is that we probably need 100Mbit connections running into our homes OR MAYBE people just don't need that 100Mbit connection. (using statistics; if 3.5 million of a population as big as Mexico's use the Internet, per person we have a much greater demand for innovation -- or not) My previous comments were more of a "serious sarcasim" aimed towards Telecom. I trust that makes sense. Anaru

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TUANZ submission to Paul Swain, re the ComCom report on unbundling
by Juha Saarinen 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

http://snipurl.com/4ecb I'll go and post this to the ADSL Intarweb mailing site www.unixathome.org/adsl as well. -- Juha

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington) 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

> From: Matthew Poole [mailto:matt(a)p00le.net] > Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 1:15 p.m. > Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? > > What's this "Speed MAY be reduced" (emphasis mine) bull? We all know that Telecom will > throttle you back to dialup speeds the second you touch that 10GB cap. I notice they > don't say what they'll throttle it back to, so you can be certain that it will be a > decidedly unattractive speed - 32kbit/s, anyone? Where does this idea of of the customer deserving flatrate broadband for peanuts come from? Telecom are not a charity. Flatrate internet will always be 'taken advantage of'[1] by a minority, and Telecom are in the position where they are able to do something about this. I personally like the idea of having a permanent connnection, with a cap that I'm unlikely to hit, but with the knowledge that if I do hit the cap then (a) my connection will no be disabled altogether and (b) I'm not going to be hit with huge excess usage charges. This is a marked improvement in contrast to pricing plans they've provided in the past, and they appear to have listened to what their customers have been asking for. Good on ya, Telecom. But I guess there will always be complainers.. :) Jamie [1] feel free to replace with 'abused', 'used as it should be', 'enjoyed', and any other term you wish according to your own viewpoint. -- CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No reader may make any use of its content unless that use is approved by Deloitte separately in writing. Any opinion, advice or information contained in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is to be treated as interim and provisional only and for the strictly limited purpose of the recipient as communicated to us. Neither the recipient nor any other person should act upon it without our separate written authorisation of reliance. Deloitte is a member firm of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu. Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu is a Swiss Verein (association), and, as such, neither Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu nor any of its member firms has any liability for each other's acts or omissions. Each of the member firms is a separate and independent legal entity operating under the names "Deloitte," "Deloitte & Touche," "Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu," or other related names. Services are provided by the member firms and not by the Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Verein. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately and destroy this message. Thank you. Deloitte Internet: www.deloitte.co.nz

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Conference Videos
by Richard Naylor 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

NZNOG Conference videos now available at www.r2.co.nz/20040129 rich

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by rob.edkins＠axon.co.nz 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

When I were 't lad, 'Broadband' was a technical term that meant simply a telecommunication medium that allowed a wide range of frequencies you could multiplex multiple channels down simultaneously. :-) Some other definitions: Newton's Telecom Dictionary: "...greater than a voice grade line of 3 KHz...some say [it should be at least] 20 KHz." Jupiter Communications: at least 256 Kbps. IBM Dictionary of Computing: A broadband channel is "6 MHz wide." Tannenbaum: "Broadband is used largely as a marketing rather than a technical term" [referring to DSL technology] > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Naylor [mailto:richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 22:34 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? > > > At 07:48 p.m. 9/02/2004 +1300, James White wrote: > > > Where does this idea that 256K is broadband come from? > > > >I thought it was something set by Telecom? > > who ever "set" it is crazy. Its anything above 2mbps. Before > "broadband", > you could get a 2mbps cct, so for the "new" thing it has to > be better. > Hence 2+ mbps, and in my thinking only really kicks in around 30mbps. > -- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is CONFIDENTIAL and may be exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you read this message and are not the addressee you are notified that use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. You should scan this message and any attached files for viruses. Axon accepts no liability for any loss caused either directly or indirectly by a virus arising from the use of this message or any attached file.

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IPV6 and Multicast Progress after NZNOG
by Craig Whitmore 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Well we all enjoyed the NZNOG conference, but what has been done with the 2 subjects that had a bit of talk about (Multicast and IPv6). I see no new IPv6 Peers @ APE or WIX and nothing new Multicast wise there either. Yes I know adding this type of stuff into an existing commercial network needs "management approval" and alike but are any of the techs around talking to Management/Have plans in the future/near future about enabling either of these into their networks. I've had www.mbone.net.nz set up for quite a while which gives some examples of set up and I even added some juniper stuff into it a few weeks ago. All I can see at the moment all I can see is IHUG's MSDP announcements and MBGP (but not PIM????). And now to think about the content.. Any comments? Suggestions? Craig Whitmore

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New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Seeby Woodhouse 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Here's something that I think a few people may have overlooked... It seems to me that the new JetStream 'surf' products are just Telecom/Xtra's early implementation of the Bitstream product that the telecommunications commissioner recently ORDERED Telecom to wholesale to other providers. For those that missed it, Telecom has been told that they MUST provide a reasonably priced wholesale ADSL product (bitstream) to other ISP's, or they risk full unbundling of the local loop. (See www.comcom.govt.nz if you're in the dark about all this) So what has just happened, is that Telecom have worked out the pricing that OTHER ISPs are likely to come up with once they have the bitstream service to wholesale, and have simply launched to market first. We are in negotiations with Telecom regarding bitstream, and I am hopeful that we will be able to come up with an arrangement that will be beneficial to Orcon and the other 40+ ISP's that we wholesale ADSL services to. Once we have the technical issues with Telecom worked out over provisioning bistream I don't see why we won't be able to provide a flat-rate domestic ADSL service with differing downstream International data caps for a decent price per month. After all - once we wholesale bitstream it is totally up to us what we sell it to the customer at, and whether we provide flat rate domestic, data caps or a totally flat rate service altogether. One issue for small providers may be that it looks as though the investment in infrastructure required to wholesale bitstream may be prohibitive - however that's what we're here for - to help those guys out :-) Cheers Seeby Woodhouse Managing Director Orcon Internet Limited - www.orcon.net.nz Mob +64 (0) 21 366 666 / Wk +64 (9) 444 4414 ext 700

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Current APNIC policy discussions
by Nurani Nimpuno 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Hi all, At the last NZNOG meeting, we delivered a full day training course on Internet resource management. A few people have asked me for the material, so I thought a quick mail to the list would be useful. The APNIC training course material can be found here: http://www.apnic.net/training/recent/ and the policy development presentation I gave on the Friday (30th) can be found here: http://www.apnic.net/community/presentations/other.html There was quite a lot of good discussion at the NZNOG meeting on the current policy proposals so I'd like to encourage you to have a look at the full proposals and express your opinion on them! There was good feedback from the NZNOG community, especially on the issues of size and criteria for a minimum IPv4 allocation and reclamation of unused historical allocations. The proposals will be discussed at the upcoming APNIC meeting, but if you cannot make it to the meeting, you are welcome to participate in the discussion on the APNIC mailing lists. (We webcast the meetings too, so you can follow them online.) The current proposals are listed here: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/ You can subscribe to one of the mailing lists here: http://www.apnic.net/community/lists/ Policy stuff might not feel that operational, but the policies do affect you if you're running a business on the Internet and the only way to change them is to voice your opinon. We haven't had a lot of feedback from New Zealand in the past, so it'd be good to get your perspective in some of the discussions! If you have any questions about the proposals, the meeting or the discussions, don't hesitate to shoot me a mail. Cheers, Nurani ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nurani Nimpuno <nurani(a)apnic.net> APNIC Training Tel:+61-7-38583100 http://www.apnic.net Fax:+61-7-38583199 ------------------------------------------------------------------ See you at the 17th APNIC Open Policy Meeting! Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, 23-27 February 2004 http://www.apnic.net/meetings/ <meetings(a)apnic.net> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Neil Gardner 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Can anyone confirm if these plans: A) Will be available through other ISPs? (although the fact that these are labelled Telecom plans here, not Xtra - is confusing) B) Lump together the cheap-as-chips national and expensive as diamond International Data? I presume they do so all traffic counts towards the totals? -- Cheers - Neil Gardner Networking and Security Support Engineer Renaissance Brands (09) 968-3681 / (021) 746-345 -----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 11:55 a.m. To: Tristram Cheer Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? Tristram Cheer wrote: > Anyone on the list be able to confirm this? > > "download of 256k upload of 128k > 1gig plan, 3 gig and a 10 gig plan! But instead of being charged for > extra usage they throttle you to dialup speeds after the 10gig" > > http://www.angst.co.nz/arr.jpg Not leaked -- annnounced today. Note that the pricing will be $10 less for customers who put all their calls through Telecom. $39.95/$49.95 for the 1GB plan with 5c/MB excess $49.95/$59.95 for the 3GB plan with 5c/MB excess $59.95/$69.95 for the 10GB plan with no excess charging, but throttling That's retail, with/without Telecom Calling. Resale is $10 less. -- Juha _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Geeks Put the Unsavvy on Alert: Learn or Log Off
by Andy Linton 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Follow up to discussions at BGP04 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/05/technology/05VIRU.html?ex=1077173129&ei=1…

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Gordon Smith 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

The splitting of national vs international traffic is an interesting point, and not very common internationally i.e. the people that write the applications that provide traffic calculations don't differentiate the two. Arguably, it is possible to do this with BGP communities; assuming, of course, that both Telecom and Telstra were willing to exchange national routing information at peering points with other providers. Otherwise the split will not be very accurate. >From the perspective of software management, I do know that boxes like the ERX pass traffic accounting information in the form of RADIUS interim accounting records, and as such have absolutely no awareness of traffic paths. In order to do a split, I'd guess that you'd have to come up with a way of reconciling NetFlow data with radius records, and I'm pretty sure that'd be pretty hard to make scalable Cheers, Gordon

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Neil Gardner 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

I'm a heavy internet user. I'd change plans in a second if this plan differentiated National/International Data. But as far as I can see it doesn't. That's why Telecom can afford to offer a 10GB plan, depending on the user, much or all of this 10Gb will be the 'almost free' national variety.[1] Telecom could remove the incentive for other broadband players to go for the ADSL market by just making a 256/256 with reasonably large (10GB) International plans and free National data, and then pricing it at $89. They would appear to have listened to the vocal minority wanting better broadband, yet have protected their market and lined their own pockets even more. Anyone that REALLY wants to setup alternatives with wireless would still have markets to go for (Higher speed, more geographically spread population etc) to target, so they couldn't complain that Telecom is being monopolistic. Even then, Telecom would wholesale the new plans and the ISPs would have something to offer. No, I know it doesn't fix the root cause of Telecom being able to decide on the plan, the cost and the caps - but if Telecom listened and upped the plans once the masses started grumbling - they could stay ahead of the problem and keep the marketspace clear and collect for every (virtually) home broadband connection in the country for the forseeable future... Cheers - N. [1] The national packets are packed in blain brown paper headers, the International ones get gold plated by hand before shipping. -- Cheers - Neil Gardner Networking and Security Support Engineer Renaissance Brands (09) 968-3681 / (021) 746-345 -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Manson [mailto:evil_bry(a)xtra.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 2:37 p.m. To: 'Jeremy Brooking'; 'Juha Saarinen' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? Another interesting point... there is *again* no national/international differentiation. We have this with 128/128 jetstart plans, one would think telecom will have put some consideration into this with their new plans.. Sure, 10 gig is a bit. But 10 gig national? What's that costing telecom? I guess it is a step in the right direction, but we are still stuck banging our heads on brick walls stuck in the Stone Age to some extent. Juha Saarinen wrote: > > Not leaked -- annnounced today. > > Note that the pricing will be $10 less for customers who put all their > calls through Telecom. > > $39.95/$49.95 for the 1GB plan with 5c/MB excess $49.95/$59.95 for the > 3GB plan with 5c/MB excess $59.95/$69.95 for the 10GB plan with no > excess charging, but throttling > > That's retail, with/without Telecom Calling. Resale is $10 less. > Surely this must be seen as anti-competitive behaviour by the commerce commision. Who in their right mind is going to use another tolls provider, to save themselves $5 a month on calls, when being Telecom dangle this carrot infront of them. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Donald Neal 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

This list does not exist for the discussion of general Internet-related issues, but specifically for technical and operational matters. This does not include discussion of whether people do or do not like anyone's retail pricing. This thread should either acquire some technical content or go away. Please before posting consider the list's Acceptable Use Policy, which begins: "The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate." - Donald Neal NZNOG List Administrator Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | > -----Original Message----- > From: nznog-bounces+Donald.Neal=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:nznog-bounces+Donald.Neal=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On > Behalf Of Jonathan > Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 14:35 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? > > > > > Where does this idea of of the customer deserving > flatrate broadband > > > for peanuts come from? > > I beleive this idea comes from other countries where more than one > telecommunications provider offers DSL/Cable systems, and > there is actual > competition. > > This is a great improvement from Telecom, however does not > compare to other > countries internet pricing. Being fair this could be put down > to the lower > quanitity of usable lines in NZ compared to the US, I don't > think we'll be > able to get the same prices as the US ever purely due to > population density > restrictions, however I do think the price could be > dramaticly lower and > Telecom still profit. > > Dont mean to be a complainer, I do like these new Telecom DSL > offers, they > are much better. JetStart actually qualifying as 'broadband' > with the 256K > download spec. Speed limiting in my eyes is a much preffered > alternative to > the huge cash bill at the end of the month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Juha Saarinen" <juha(a)saarinen.org> > To: "Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington)" <jfinnigan(a)deloitte.co.nz> > Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? > > > > Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington) wrote: > > > > > > > Conversely, where does the idea that Telecom deserves exemption from > > competition come from? Corporate charity? > > > > > > > CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains > information that > > > is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No > reader may > > > make any use of its content unless that use is approved > by Deloitte > > > separately in writing. 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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Simon Oldham 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

<snip> And do you think they will have it set up for allocation of Static IP's?? Current Jetstart/5GB plan and static IP assignment are 'incompatible', supposedly, as this are not properly routable (must be nat'd or somit') This is a marked improvement in contrast to pricing plans they've provided in the past, and they appear to have listened to what their customers have been asking for. Good on ya, Telecom. But I guess there will always be complainers.. :) Jamie [1] feel free to replace with 'abused', 'used as it should be', 'enjoyed', and any other term you wish according to your own viewpoint. -- CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No reader may make any use of its content unless that use is approved by Deloitte separately in writing. Any opinion, advice or information contained in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is to be treated as interim and provisional only and for the strictly limited purpose of the recipient as communicated to us. Neither the recipient nor any other person should act upon it without our separate written authorisation of reliance. Deloitte is a member firm of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu. Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu is a Swiss Verein (association), and, as such, neither Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu nor any of its member firms has any liability for each other's acts or omissions. Each of the member firms is a separate and independent legal entity operating under the names "Deloitte," "Deloitte & Touche," "Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu," or other related names. Services are provided by the member firms and not by the Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Verein. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately and destroy this message. Thank you. Deloitte Internet: www.deloitte.co.nz _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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If anyone is running their IPv6 machines on OpenBSD....
by Simon Oldham 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Ladies and Gents, This was pushed onto the Slashdot stack not long ago, might bear some investigation if your platform of choice for your IPv6 is Open BSD 3.4 http://www.guninski.com/obsdmtu.html If the list has already seen this, please excuse the disturbing of your New Zealand Day (opps, Waitangi)

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Solution to spam problem
by Andy Linton 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Just when you thought the Internet sucked beyond redemption your faith in the net gods gets restored. Now let's find an answer for world hunger and peace. http://www.thespeciousreport.com/03031216nospam.html Has anybody idea how they make this work? (:-)

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NOG Conference stuff
by Peter Macaulay 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

Great Event. Well run, good attendance. Attaboys all round. Sorry to miss the curry though. InternetNZ has enjoyed supporting the NOG, and has agreed to consider of more initiatives such as the IPV6 lab. Lotto results: Confirming that Craig Whitmore won the Linksys WRT54G. This was shipped to him yesterday. After a shipping saga, the Mulitcast books arrived here in Wellington today via Auckland, Hamilton, Auckland, Wellington. Michael Sutton is preparing the list, and Janet will ship these in the next day or so. We have yet to decide whether to order more than the original 25 so no one misses out. Commercial break --- if you are not a member of InternetNZ sign up now! https://secure.internetnz.net.nz/membership/individmem.html -- Peter Macaulay Executive Director InternetNZ Direct +64 4 495 2113

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Dean Moreton/Christchurch/Foodstuffs is out of the office.
by Dean Moreton 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

I will be out of the office starting 02/02/2004 and will not return until 09/02/2004. I will respond to your message when I return. If you have any urgent queries please contact another member of the PC Support team. ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content by both MailMarshal and Norton's Antivirus. Attention: The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. Please note that the views and opinions expressed in this message may be those of the individual and not necessarily those of Foodstuffs (South Island) Ltd #####################################################################################

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Re: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs
by Ewen McNeill 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

In message <401C49BA.5040507(a)saarinen.org>, Juha Saarinen writes: >There's something wrong about neutering the 'Net for newbies instead of >going after those who spoil it for them. FWIW, Dean's talk wasn't solely about people spoiling the net for newbies (although there's a lot of that too), but also that they're inadvertantly doing dumb things because it's not obvious that it's dumb and it's not obvious that there's a better way to do it. (For instance consider a newbie mailing out a 10MB attachement to the whole company when they could have just sent a link.) To that end I think that "seamless integration" of the local network (and local machine) and the Internet is counterproductive -- there really are differences and sometimes you've still got to be aware of them. (Not everyone has a gigabit link to their house yet.) >Given how spammers, phishers, crackers, VXers et al have so far managed >to work around every countermeasure devised against them, I have reason >to believe even NewbieNet would only be a temporary fix. Indeed. That was basically my point in one of the talks, that whatever restrictions you put in place would be "routed around" by those with an incentive to do so. Okay you're down to "mere applications", but applications -- especially those used by newbies -- are notoriously insecure. (Some of them even have extra, designed in, insecurity.) Jamie (Baddeley)'s suggestion of thin client is perhaps one of the few ways you might get enough control over the end appliance to control things; another is perhaps Knoppix-style bootable-readonly-device (or perhaps something PS/2, Xbox, etc like). My point was that you can get 75% of the immediate benefit of a "newbie applicance network" right now simply by firewalling customer connections at the edge -- and that if you do, please provide an opt-out mechanism. (I'd really prefer that it wasn't necessary to buy, say, a E1 link (wholesale connectivity) in order to get reasonably unfiltered access. And tunnelling everywhere sucks.) That said, short of a rigorous punishment technique,[0] rigorously applied, I don't think we're going to get all of those that spoil the 'net. Ewen [0] Death. Or perhaps transportation to the colonies. I hear Mars isn't too crowded this time of year.

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RE: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work
by Tristram Cheer 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Just one of those days, format and reinstall and a little rushed. Too hot in Wellington I think ############################ Tristram Cheer Mobile: - 021-334-766 Work: - 04-499-9486 Fax: - 04-499-9586 After Hours: - 04-237-7593 ############################################################################ ######### This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Shepherd [mailto:kims(a)waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 2:32 p.m. To: 'Trisram Cheer' Subject: RE: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work I can't offer you a job, sorry, but I can remind you that you've fogotten the second 't' in your name in your "From" line... Which might help with prospective employers? ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: Trisram Cheer [mailto:james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 2:25 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work > > Whops! > > > > Wellington > > > > ############################################ > > Tristram Cheer > > Mobile: - 021-334-766 > > Work: - 04-499-9486 > > Fax: - 04-499-9586 > > After Hours: - 04-237-7593 > > > > ############################################################## > ####################### > > This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It > may contain confidential or legally privileged information, > or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by > any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in > error, please immediately delete it from your system and > notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any > part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. > > ________________________________ > > From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 2:28 p.m. > To: Trisram Cheer > Subject: Re: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work > > > > what area? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Trisram Cheer <mailto:james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz> > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:21 PM > > Subject: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work > > > > Apologies if this is too OT > > > > I've recently been made redundant and work finishes end > of this week. If anyone knows of any Helpdesk, User support > or Hardware support (workshop etc) Then please drop me a line > off list > > > > > > Thanks > > > > ############################################ > > Tristram Cheer > > Mobile: - 021-334-766 > > Work: - 04-499-9486 > > Fax: - 04-499-9586 > > After Hours: - 04-237-7593 > > > > > ############################################################## > ####################### > > This correspondence is for the named person's use only. > It may contain confidential or legally privileged > information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is > waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this > correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from > your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy > or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the > intended recipient. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > >

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RE: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work
by Trisram Cheer 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Whops! Wellington ############################################ Tristram Cheer Mobile: - 021-334-766 Work: - 04-499-9486 Fax: - 04-499-9586 After Hours: - 04-237-7593 ############################################################################ ######### This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. _____ From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 2:28 p.m. To: Trisram Cheer Subject: Re: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work what area? ----- Original Message ----- From: Trisram <mailto:james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz> Cheer To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work Apologies if this is too OT I've recently been made redundant and work finishes end of this week. If anyone knows of any Helpdesk, User support or Hardware support (workshop etc) Then please drop me a line off list Thanks ############################################ Tristram Cheer Mobile: - 021-334-766 Work: - 04-499-9486 Fax: - 04-499-9586 After Hours: - 04-237-7593 ############################################################################ ######### This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. _____ _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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JetStream Games Realm Adminitrator...
by Dan Clark 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Hi all, Can someone please point me in the direction of the JetStream Games Realm administrator, or his/her boss please. Offlist. Kind Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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Credit card fraudsters......
by Steve Withers 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

In my e-mail this morning, with a clickable button to take me to their 'secure site': From: security(a)visa-security.com Dear Sir/Madam, We were informed that your credit card is used by another person or stolen. It could happen if you have been shopping on-line, and someone got your "Billing information" including your credit card number. To avoid and prevent any further fraud and billing mistakes and to refund your credit card, it is strongly recommended to proceed filling in the secure form on our site and applying for our Zero Liability program. Program is free and it will help us to confirm the fact of fraud and investigate this accident as soon as possible. Sincerely yours, Visa Support Assistant, Alwin Desagun.

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The Internet for n00bs
by Ewen McNeill 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

One of the things discussed at the (excellent, thanks everyone) NZNOG 2004 conference was that the Internet sucks, and that a large portion of this suckage is due to ignorant n00bs who do the wrong thing, get 0wned, etc. It was suggested that the "only" fix to this problem was to kill the end to end Internet, making the "Internet" a core exchange network (a la telco style), and allowing users only access to a local proxy at their ISP for a very limited set of services. Aside from my objection that this won't help much except in the short term (plenty of protocols already tunnel around such firewall limitations -- eg, look at everything that's been tunneled through HTTP), this really sucks for the l33t who find it awfully restrictive. An alternative approach to that type of thing is possibly just to heavily firewall -- at the ISP end of the link -- connections to all "potential n00b" users (SMTP to ISP mail server, POP/IMAP/HTTP/HTTPS to whereever and a few other common things) by default. And then provide an "opt out" system that anyone with a clue can use to disable the default firewalling. I would suggest: telnet ihaveaclue.$ISP where you have to enter "My name is $NAME, and I have a clue" (with $NAME expanded, but otherwise literally). Possibly that setting could be sticky; possibly it would need to be done on each reconnection.[0] The remaining aspect is that anyone who claimed to have a clue in this manner and then lets something on their connection get 0wned or otherwise abuses the privilege, (a) loses the ability to unblock themselves, and (b) gets their name published on a list of shame. This could pretty much be implemented today by anyone with a firewall (or customer facing ACLs) which can be set on a per-customer basis. Various RAS boxes have this sort of facility already; at least one ISP I know of firewalls accounts that are over due so they can reach the accounting website and that's about it. The alternative seems to be that the clueful will just tunnel everything through whatever still works. Tunnelling through DNS requests is painful but doable; tunnelling through most other things is almost tolerably efficient by comparision. And I guess bandwidth is cheap enough now that we can cope with a 20-50% overhead due to tunnelling.[1] Ewen [0] Anyone who can't automate doing it on each reconnection doesn't have a clue. [1] Still, it'll make the ATM tax look cheap.

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RE: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs
by Regan Murphy 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

> From: Seton Wingfield [mailto:SWingfield(a)atl.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2004 7:00 p.m. > > I recently read the "Changes to Functionality in Microsoft > Windows XP Service Pack 2" and in it, it states that the > Internet Connection Firewall will be turned on by default. > Changes like this and Microsoft's long term commitment to > security via their "Trustworthy Computing" initiative may > make the problems that you are trying to solve a thing of the past. > Unfotunately it will be a long time until all net people shift from Windows 95 et al and move to WinXP etc. Also with the growth of linux variants can we expect the same default security options to be set there as well (remember all the sendmail exploits and the redhat vunerabilities)? Beyond that there are a lot of people that like to run programs such as p2p file sharing applications and irc and ftp and these unfortunately don't work too well with misconfigured firewalls. The typical answer to "how do I get p2p app working?" is "oh, you're running XP? Then disable the default firewall and it will all work". i.e. n00bs will always unwittingly impact the internet through miseducation and ignorance -- Regan

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This month Donald Neal is joined as list administrator by Simon Blake and Simon Lyall. The aim of the increased head count is to provide better coverage in terms of time, and to reduce the list's reliance on any individual. Meetings See http://www.nznog.org/ for details of the conference which has just finished. Another fairly similar gathering seems likely to be held early next year. Also see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/about.html if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Internet Exchanges See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. See http://www.wix.net.nz/ for the Wellington Internet Exchange. And possibly http://www.citylink.co.nz/information/news/nr1068413489.html . About This Mailing List This list has around six hundred addresses subscribed. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by employees of Alcatel NZ Ltd, Citylink and ihug Ltd. None of these organisations, nor any administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrators remain happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. One way to search the archive is to use google and prefix your search with site:list.waikato.ac.nz . Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Richard Naylor wrote: > > Yes - all on DVD, but missed the start of Geoffs talk - > couldn't climb over > Si to get to DVD-R. Must get bigger van..... or a smaller Si ... ;-) mark

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Re: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs
by Ewen McNeill 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

In message <1075610074.2007.305.camel(a)localhost>, Steve Withers writes: >On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 15:11, Anaru Hartley wrote: >> I kind of sense a "one track mind" approach to the >> issue at hand. There are plenty of alternatives, >> personally I don't think tightning the rope is going >> to help improve the Internet. The point was that some people (Dean cited his Nana as an example) really don't want to deal with all the complexity of keeping their system patched against the security hole du jour -- they just want an appliance that will let them talk to their grandchildren and maybe check a few details on their latest group's meetings. A 21st century telephone. The suggestion was then made (in a later talk) that the "only" solution to the mass of people who just wanted an applicance and were unwilling/unable to deal with the "dangerous" place that is the modern Internet, was an Internet-Lite -- the Internet for n00bs. The major part of its architecture was, essentially, a bunch of application proxies at the ISP with everything else firewalled off. The aim of this was to (dramatically) reduce the pool of reachable, unpatched, systems on the 'net. The current batch of worms to install open relays would be immunised against pretty much immediately for two reasons (couldn't reach open relays once established, couldn't reach remote hosts to infect them). >True. All you need is one ISP who offers "real" Internet....and everyone >would flock there. I know I would, if that was the choice. Yes, but you're l33t Steve. You'd flock there. Most people here would flock there. Much as I don't want to see "the Internet" become a dumbed down IntaWeb clone, I recognise that's just me ("when I want to be wrapped in cotton wool, I know where to find it"). There's a whole bunch of people, probably the majority by an order of magnitude, for whom the Internet, Large As Life, is scary, and intruding on their ability to just do the things they want to (eg, their machine keeps getting infected). So The Internet for n00bs will probably happen eventually. I just hope it isn't done in such a way that the only way to join the Real Internet (tm) is to qualify for your own ASN or by building tunnels through increasingly inappropriate application level protocols. A "walled garden" (to use the Citylink description of CafeNet) would be more appropriate -- with a way out for those that can figure out the gate, and a rule that they don't get to complain (or get out again) if they get run over by the traffic outside. Ewen

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RE: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs
by Seton Wingfield 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

In my experience its never the people that find an exploit that end up causing the mayhem. If the flow of information from the exploit finders to the script kiddies could be stopped so would the majority of worms etc. I know this is old thinking but it seems like a easier option than firewalling off the Internet. I recently read the "Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2" and in it, it states that the Internet Connection Firewall will be turned on by default. Changes like this and Microsoft's long term commitment to security via their "Trustworthy Computing" initiative may make the problems that you are trying to solve a thing of the past. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7bd948d7-b791-40b6… http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/innovation/twc/twc_whitepaper.asp The documents are MS Word format. -----Original Message----- From: Ewen McNeill [mailto:ewen(a)naos.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2004 11:17 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs One of the things discussed at the (excellent, thanks everyone) NZNOG 2004 conference was that the Internet sucks, and that a large portion of this suckage is due to ignorant n00bs who do the wrong thing, get 0wned, etc. It was suggested that the "only" fix to this problem was to kill the end to end Internet, making the "Internet" a core exchange network (a la telco style), and allowing users only access to a local proxy at their ISP for a very limited set of services. Aside from my objection that this won't help much except in the short term (plenty of protocols already tunnel around such firewall limitations -- eg, look at everything that's been tunneled through HTTP), this really sucks for the l33t who find it awfully restrictive. An alternative approach to that type of thing is possibly just to heavily firewall -- at the ISP end of the link -- connections to all "potential n00b" users (SMTP to ISP mail server, POP/IMAP/HTTP/HTTPS to whereever and a few other common things) by default. And then provide an "opt out" system that anyone with a clue can use to disable the default firewalling. I would suggest: telnet ihaveaclue.$ISP where you have to enter "My name is $NAME, and I have a clue" (with $NAME expanded, but otherwise literally). Possibly that setting could be sticky; possibly it would need to be done on each reconnection.[0] The remaining aspect is that anyone who claimed to have a clue in this manner and then lets something on their connection get 0wned or otherwise abuses the privilege, (a) loses the ability to unblock themselves, and (b) gets their name published on a list of shame. This could pretty much be implemented today by anyone with a firewall (or customer facing ACLs) which can be set on a per-customer basis. Various RAS boxes have this sort of facility already; at least one ISP I know of firewalls accounts that are over due so they can reach the accounting website and that's about it. The alternative seems to be that the clueful will just tunnel everything through whatever still works. Tunnelling through DNS requests is painful but doable; tunnelling through most other things is almost tolerably efficient by comparision. And I guess bandwidth is cheap enough now that we can cope with a 20-50% overhead due to tunnelling.[1] Ewen [0] Anyone who can't automate doing it on each reconnection doesn't have a clue. [1] Still, it'll make the ATM tax look cheap. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Commerce Commission - bitstream etc.
by Simon Lyall 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

I was having a look though the documents here: http://www.comcom.govt.nz/telecommunications/localloop.cfm I was a bit disappointed at the lack of Local Loop access but there seemed to be some positive talk about the Bitstream service. However the last three pages (Appendix 5) of the Final Report Appendices basically define this as a 128up/256down service with VOIP, video and similar functionality specifically excluded. In other words Telecom will only have to open up a minimal level ADSL service slightly faster than Jetstart (with a recommended provisioning cost of $185 ) . I also see nothing about removing the requirement for all home customers with DSL to also have a voice phone line so I presume it's still in there which means that their be no option to replace home customer's main phone line with a VOIP system (like some people are doing in the US) or for people just to use their cellphones. Which overall looks like at least another couple of years of "more of the same" with respect to high speed Internet for most people. Or have I misinterpreted the recommendations? -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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For Spamassassin users fed up with AV notifications
by Juha Saarinen 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Apropos the recent storm of AV notifications caused by MyDoom... found this gem on the Exim-users list: http://www.timj.co.uk/linux/bogus-virus-warnings.cf Put it in e.g. /etc/mail/spamassassin, restart SA, and it loads the file. -- Juha

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by Chris Hellberg 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

I'm another watcher and thumbs up for the video quality! Lots of the interlude music seems to be in minor keys. It's almost as if it's funeral music to play for the foresaken networks :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Credit card fraudsters......
by Stephen Andrew 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

On Friday, 30 January 2004 9:42 AM, Steve Withers <mailto:swithers(a)mmp.org.nz> wrote: > In my e-mail this morning, with a clickable button to take me to their > 'secure site': > > From: security(a)visa-security.com > > Dear Sir/Madam, [snip] A similar thing had an "honourable" mention in Bruce Schneier's CryptoGram this month. Nice pice of social engineering - the victim already believes there are unauthorised transactions on their card which are being dealt with by Visa and so doesn't chase them up when they appear on their statement. http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0401.html#10 -- Andrew This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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Conference Videocast
by Tony McGregor 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

The good folks at CityLink will be multicasting the talks from the conference tomorrow and Friday. So if you can't be here, check out www.r2.co.nz. There are pictures from today's sessions on the conference page. www.nznog.org. Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095(w) +64 7 825 5047(h) Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Recent worm infestations
by Juha Saarinen 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

For those who haven't noticed the flood of emailed viruses and bounces caused by the dictionary attack the new Windows worm(s) create(s), read and weep: http://www.kaspersky.com/news.html?id=3614506 http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/novarg.shtml Plus the usual AV sites. Looks like it's running amok in NZ. -- Juha

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington) 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

> We had 12 viewers a few minutes ago, but I'm not sure they weren't all > just Citylink staff wanting to see the light glinting off Carl's head > :-) I'm another .. but I'm only here for the fantastic music that gets played during intervals. :) Jamie -- CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No reader may make any use of its content unless that use is approved by Deloitte separately in writing. Any opinion, advice or information contained in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is to be treated as interim and provisional only and for the strictly limited purpose of the recipient as communicated to us. Neither the recipient nor any other person should act upon it without our separate written authorisation of reliance. Deloitte is a member firm of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu. Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu is a Swiss Verein (association), and, as such, neither Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu nor any of its member firms has any liability for each other's acts or omissions. Each of the member firms is a separate and independent legal entity operating under the names "Deloitte," "Deloitte & Touche," "Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu," or other related names. Services are provided by the member firms and not by the Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Verein. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately and destroy this message. Thank you. Deloitte Internet: www.deloitte.co.nz

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by Richards, David 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Ah the sound is fixed now! Well done! -- David Richards, Senior Network Engineer IT Services Unit - 'Enabling people through technology' Christchurch City Council, New Zealand Phone: +64 3 941 8689 | Fax: +64 3 941 8989 | Mobile: +64 27 242 7689 email: David.Richards(a)ccc.govt.nz -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Curtis [mailto:jamie(a)pointless.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:29 To: nznog(a)nznog.org Subject: Re: [nznog] Conference Videocast > And only if RIch can get from AKL to HAM in time to get everyuthing set up > and a public IP is available, etc. We also have minor logistics issues of > getting the van close enough, running a lot of cables, power, etc. > > If everything goes OK, there MAY be 3 cameras (and operators) as well as a > scan converter on the inevitable power point thingies. After a bit of playing around Rich and Simon seem to have got it all working. The streams are all available from: http://www.r2.co.nz/20040129/ We are currently trying to work on clearing up the sound but otherwise all is going well. Thanks heaps to Rich and all the Citylink guys for making this happen. All the captures are also being recorded and may be available later. Cheers, Jamie _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ********************************************************************** This electronic email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the Christchurch City Council. If you are not the correct recipient of this email please advise the sender and delete. Christchurch City Council http://www.ccc.govt.nz **********************************************************************

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Open Discussion at BGP'04
by Donald Neal 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

NZNOG People, The last item on the programme (http://www.nznog.org/programme.php) for the conference now getting under way is "Open Discussion". This isn't a BOF. I intend to use this session to ask for feedback from attendees on a number of issues. For a start, I plan to ask for comments on the conference then concluding - what went well, what could be improved. I also intend to try to have those present agree a committee to handle NZNOG's part of the organisation of the next conference, and to ask whether those assembled have any shared views about that conference - where, when, how much beer Roger should pay for. In seeking to do this, I'm assuming that NZNOG will remain a loose association and not a formally-organised society. That's an assumption with which people are welcome to disagree. I'd welcome email directly to me by Thursday night from people planning to attend the conference if there's any other issue they'd like discussed then. If there are a lot of topics people want discussed I'll put together a formal agenda. If you're not planning to attend that session but would be willing to help in NZNOG's part of conference organisation, please also get back to me by Thursday night. I'm also on the lookout for at least one more person to act as administrator for this mailing list. The last time this was discussed on this list a number of names were mentioned, but there seemed to me little sign of a coherent view. Again, if you're interested in taking on that role (or have strong views on who should or should not have that role) but won't be at Friday's session, please email me directly by Thursday night. Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Determining International vs Local
by Cleave Pokotea 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Hello, Just looking for some clarification from the group regarding International versus Local traffic identification (sorry for the uneducated queries): Traditionally circuit switched voice calls are carried via a dedicated end-to-end circuit (or virtual circuit) that the switching system sets up for the purpose of each call. The originating carrier bills the customer originating the call (the collection charge) and is billed by the terminating carrie for completing the call (the accounting rate). Therefore calls are easily distinguished between point A (local) and point B (international). With IP traffic(packet switched) an Internet message is broken down into many packets that may be individually routed over many different networks to arrive at the endpoint where they are reassembled into their original, coherent message. Individual messages therefore do not occupy a defined circuit for a defined time. So, how is International traffic differentiated from local traffic in NZ? How do ISP's deterine what traffic has originate locally? I am assuming there are two main methods of Inter-connection used in NZ; 1. Sats, 2. Southern Cross (?) cable. Is traffic classified (?) at the main entry points or are ISP's classifiying traffic via IP ranges (The dotted quad ranges seem's a rather ad-hoc method) and / or other methods? thanks, C. Resource Development Analyst Digital Initiatives Unit Te Puna Mataurange o Aotearoa National Library of New Zealand Wellington

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.com.au domains
by Dan Clark 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Hi Guys, Where does one register a .com.au domain nice and cheap inside New Zealand? Or do we have to go via Optus in Aussie? Kind Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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RE: .com.au domains
by Dominic O'Hare 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

If you are already incorporated in New Zealand, you can register an ABN at - http://www.abr.gov.au as an other incorporated entity. There are no filing or registration fees to register an ABN and you do not need an Australian street address. When filing an ABN make sure your company name and desired domain name are registered as trading names. Be aware the Australian Business Registry are terribly slow at creating new numbers, be sure to send them your NZ certificate of incorporation. Yours Sincerely, Dominic O'Hare ENERGISERVE.COM 502 S. Harbor Blvd Fullerton, CA 92382

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RE: [nznog] .com.au domains
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

If they are Australian companies, they should already have an ABN (and you will be registering it on their behalf and in their name). It may be easier for them to register it themselves. Cheers Mark Harris Manager Moderation and Web Standards State Services Commission PO Box 329, Wellington, NZ Tel: 64 4 495 2844 Email: moderator(a)ssc.govt.nz > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] > Sent: 26 January 2004 11:45 > To: Peter Mott; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] .com.au domains > > > one of the issues I am having is it would appear you have to have an > Australian business number to be able to register the domain *.com.au? > The reason we are trying to register this kind of domain is a > couple of > customers are based in Aussie and dont like the fact that .nz > means we can > do it better than them :P > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Mott" <peter.mott(a)2day.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [nznog] .com.au domains > > > > Mike Cooper wrote: > > > > > www.domainz.net.nz > > > > nice and cheap? > > > > <cough> > > > > > > -- > > Peter Mott > > Chief Enthusiast > > 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED > > http://www.2day.com > > > > "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish > something!" > > Thomas A Edison > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Re: [nznog] New Spam Killing Technique
by Ewen McNeill 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

In message <011d01c3e2ca$1b0bdfa0$030d010a(a)doc>, James Spooner writes: >My Point here was that spammers will no longer be able to send from >a hotmail/yahoo/aol/etc address using an arbitrary open SMTP relay, >which means they will have a harder time maintaining anonymity. The obvious counter to that -- which I'd assume even spammers could figure out -- is to register a new domain for each spam run through a given open relay. Then they can even put in the SPF records for that relay. This raises the spammers cost, oh, about US$8. It might be enough to cut out the less profitable spammers -- after all it's probably doubling their overheads -- but I imagine all the bigger ones will just keep right on at it. And they can easily register the domain with "anonymous" details. Sure it might eventually get pulled for not having valid details; but by that time it's served its purpose and can be removed anyway. SPF does seem to be a useful step though, as it'll reduce the number of "joe jobs". And hopefully also encourage more people to set up SMTP AUTH and the like. Ewen

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New Spam Killing Technique
by Jamie Baddeley 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2004/0122aoltest.html?net http://spf.pobox.com/ worth looking at.... jamie

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Heads up - Webcasting Activity Next week
by Richard Naylor 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

Folks, FYI - Nextweek, I'll be streaming the NZ Bloodstock Yearling Sales from Papakura. I doubt that it will be as popular as last years LOTR stuff, but thought I would advise the activity as TV News warned their viewers that it was on. ISPs may get customers asking about it or for support, etc. NZ Bloodstock will (hopefully) have the stream link on their website www.nzb.co.nz I have my usual spartan pages at www.r2.co.nz/20040126 The streaming traffic will be coming out of WIX / iHug addresses, not anycast, but will be my usual 5 bitrates including 384kbps (a very popular rate). I'm a bit confused about some of the dates for next week (I think the stress is getting to me), but there is streaming activity all week, with 2 events. It may be wrapped up by Friday or Saturday, depending on what happens (as I said, I've lost all sense of the dates, Si has just pointed it out). Thanks for your time. rich

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Telecom ATM outage
by Matthew Poole 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

There is currently a major ATM outage within Telecom. Effects apparent across the country (one of my employer's customers has 30-some sites around the country and only three of them have communications at present). No "official" word from Telecom, but a large number of major companies are affected by what is described as a "non-geographically-centred equipment issue". Anyone at Telecom able to give us something a little more verbose? Within the boundaries of "official company line", that is.

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Net4U Limited
by Anaru Hartley 17 Jan '04

17 Jan '04

I know everyone must be sick of hearing about The Adventures of 'Net4U' and it at one point, became some what of a Soap. But bare with me (and sorry if this is OT) as I think these two things need to be discussed openly - if they haven't been already (in which case I need to visit the NZNOG Archives). 1. Apart from "Pay your Bill on Time" what can an Individual or Company learn from Net4U's mistake(s)? 2. How can such things be prevented in the future, so that VISP's and customers are left High and Dry. Do measures need to be taken to prevent or minimize the damage created by such things? Cheers, Anaru. http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time.

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RE: [nznog] Jetstream without Telephone
by Donald Neal 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

> -----Original Message----- [...] > The requirement of a "telephone line" (ie analogue phone, as > opposed to a > cable pair), is nothing more than Telecom policy because they > can, which is > to be expected when they are allowed to do whatever they like. > But wait ... who's that masked man? Could it be the Commerce Commission? (You didn't want ADSL above 512kb, I take it?) - Donald Neal Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Jetstream without Telephone
by Cameron Kerr 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Hello all, I'm currently in the process of moving. Having had Telecom disconnect my phone-line at 12 noon, I've discovered I can still access the internet via Jetstream (which is getting moved on about Monday). I find it interesting that this is possible, and adds credance to the apparent fact that you don't need a phone connected (obviously you need the line though) to have Jetstream working. Could be interesting food for thought wrt to the unbundling report by the Commerce Commission. -- Cameron Kerr cameron.kerr(a)paradise.net.nz : http://nzgeeks.org/cameron/ Empowered by Perl!

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Conf reg close next Friday
by Tony McGregor 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

I'm delighted to say that conference registrations hit 100 last night. We have a working limit of about 120 so we've decided we must close registrations on Friday next week (23rd of January). It may also be the case that people who register late will miss out on some of the giveaways because of the lead time on ordering them. (Apologies in advance). We're looking forward to a very exciting conference. Tony and the crew. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095(w) +64 7 825 5047(h) Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz
by Tristram Cheer 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

I'll Dig Around Work, Think we got a oldish 80gb Seagate Cuda 4 Around doing nothing, if I find it it's yours -----Original Message----- From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry(a)unix.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 9:40 p.m. To: Tristram Cheer Subject: Re: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz 120gig ide would do. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Cheer" <james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz> To: "'NZ NOG'" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > What Type Of HDD You Need? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry(a)unix.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 6:15 p.m. > To: Drew Broadley; 'Matthew Poole' > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > daniel still runs the cvsup.nz.freebsd.org which is pretty good, just need > the distfiles. > > If someone gave me a hard drive i'd do it, just at least once a month my > bandwidth intl would be kak with all the downloads. > > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Broadley" <drew(a)iplaynz.com> > To: "'Matthew Poole'" <matt(a)p00le.net> > Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:58 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > I was wondering about this myself, even just hosting /usr/ports/ package > > folders (not src files) > > and a few ISO's would all that is required, and keep them up-to-date > > with a cvsup -r off cvs.freebsd.org > > > > Guesstimates > > > > | $ du -h -d 0 /usr/ports > > | 1004M /usr/ports > > > > ~ 1 GigaByte for FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE /usr/ports > > > > | $ du -h -d 0 /usr/ports/ > > | 343M /usr/ports/ > > > > ~ 340 MegaBytes /usr/ports for FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE /usr/ports > > > > Aswel as roughly 5 MINIISO's @ ~200MB each > > > > Total Guesstimate: 3 GigaBytes > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matthew Poole [mailto:matt(a)p00le.net] > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:05 PM > > > To: Barry Murphy > > > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > Contact Dan Langille (dan(a)langille.org, IIRC) if you want to > > > take over as the official ftp.nz FreeBSD mirror. The guys at > > > CallPlus have _NO_ clue about FreeBSD, and I wouldn't be > > > hugely surprised to find out that the mirror only survived > > > due to their ignorance. > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Barry Murphy wrote: > > > > > > > Would be nice if it had the freebsd mirror and even better > > > if it was > > > > ftp.nz.freebsd.org <-- that mirror died about 2 months ago, was > > > > apparently using too much space :( > > > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] > > > > Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 12:42 p.m. > > > > To: draggy(a)clear.net.nz > > > > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > Subject: Re: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > Does appear to have been a shonky ethernet card, it's all good now. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Si > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:47:56AM +1300, Simon Blake said: > > > > > It's a v. unhappy box, it looks like it may have thrown > > > an ethernet > > > > > controller. Should be going again later in the day. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Si > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:42:56AM +1300, > > > draggy(a)clear.net.nz said: > > > > > > Can anyone from Citylink or anyone else, advise as to > > > the status > > > > > > of this server. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have had a few comments about not being able to contact this > > > > > > server and have tried myself and cannot get to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains: > > > > > > ftp.nz.debian.org > > > > > > linux.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > IP: 210.48.103.6 > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz
by draggy＠clear.net.nz 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Can anyone from Citylink or anyone else, advise as to the status of this server. Have had a few comments about not being able to contact this server and have tried myself and cannot get to it. Domains: ftp.nz.debian.org linux.citylink.co.nz ftp.citylink.co.nz IP: 210.48.103.6 Cheers Simon

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NZNOG '04 Timetable.
by Jamie Curtis 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Hi all, Now available on the NZNOG '04 conference site is a draft timetable of events for the main programme on Thursday and Friday. You can get at it from: http://www.nznog.org/programme.php As you can see we have had to parallelize two sessions at the end of Friday due to a very full programme. While we were trying to avoid this if at all possible, the two sessions in question are both more technical versions of earlier introductory talks. We felt this was fairer than running one or both of these sessions in parallel with another speakers only presentation. The other option was to remove one of the introductory presentations and only have the in-depth presentation. NZNOG has a very broad audience however, and we felt we could not assume a minimum level of knowledge on these topics. Hopefully the number of people who are affected by this is small. Cheers, Jamie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Curtis email: jpc2(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz WAND Group Lab G1.03 phone +64 21 392 102 Computer Science Department, University of Waikato, New Zealand -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Verisign Plans DNS Changes
by Jeff Williams 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

All, Seems Verisign is updating .COM and .NET zones soon.. See: http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg00794.html and http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/01/08/HNverisigncom_1.html Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" - Pierre Abelard "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801

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RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Tim John - Domainz 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

>From the Domainz point of view, the only person who can legally cancel a domain name is the Name Holder. The DNC has the liberty to instruct us to cancel a name and Domainz itself has the right to terminate a registration, but only in extreme circumstances. I suspect that this and many other names have been registered 'for a laugh' in the past and the details used in the registration are real, if not the registrants. If the person who is nominated in the registration as the Name Holder is not in fact the legal holder, then the best thing to do is let the name expire when it comes up for renewal, unless the Name Holder (as shown) can contact us directly and request that it's cancelled. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Will Steele [mailto:willsteele(a)hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 11 January 2004 5:40 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here. Michael, 1) I am not employed or associated with ConceptNET as you suggested in your December post. 2) I believe it is against the Shared Registry's Terms of Service to use the whois for this sort of thing. 3) Domains are registered at a first come, first serve basis. The above domain was registered on the 28th March 2003, when I was being very stupid and immature, which I am (slowly) overcoming, but you don't seem to be helping. Please send me proof that Sahil is making these claims off list, or send anyone else the proof for that matter, because simply, you are generally full of shit. Get your facts straight before you post. If anyone from Domainz is subscribed to this list, or the DNC, please cancel the above domain, as I no longer have access to it, otherwise, its there to stay until it expires... And no, I'm not smiling. Will Steele "^god" _________________________________________________________________ Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ! _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you.

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Re: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Will Steele 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

So, you are saying you dont care? Why did you even post in the first place. There was no claims, as you have sent no proof to anyone. Like I said, get your facts straight. Domainz have set the domain not to be renewed, so this is the end of this topic. >From: Michael Hallager <michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz> >Reply-To: michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz >To: Tim John - Domainz <tim.john(a)domainz.net.nz> >CC: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here. >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:05:34 +1300 > >Thanks for the information Tim. Would "passing off" of a well known >industry >forum like NZNOG be considered "extreme (enough) circumstances"? >Does the DNC need a complaint in writing to action this? > >As for Will, go and sort it out with Sahil seeing that the pair of you are >friends again. The rest of us don't care. > > > From the Domainz point of view, the only person who can legally cancel a > > domain name is the Name Holder. The DNC has the liberty to instruct us >to > > cancel a name and Domainz itself has the right to terminate a >registration, > > but only in extreme circumstances. > > > > I suspect that this and many other names have been registered 'for a >laugh' > > in the past and the details used in the registration are real, if not >the > > registrants. If the person who is nominated in the registration as the >Name > > Holder is not in fact the legal holder, then the best thing to do is let > > the name expire when it comes up for renewal, unless the Name Holder (as > > shown) can contact us directly and request that it's cancelled. > > > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Steele [mailto:willsteele(a)hotmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, 11 January 2004 5:40 p.m. > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here. > > > > > > Michael, > > > > 1) I am not employed or associated with ConceptNET as you suggested in >your > > December post. > > 2) I believe it is against the Shared Registry's Terms of Service to use > > the > > > > whois for this sort of thing. > > 3) Domains are registered at a first come, first serve basis. > > > > The above domain was registered on the 28th March 2003, when I was being > > very stupid and immature, which I am (slowly) overcoming, but you don't > > seem > > > > to be helping. > > > > Please send me proof that Sahil is making these claims off list, or send > > anyone else the proof for that matter, because simply, you are generally > > full of shit. Get your facts straight before you post. > > > > If anyone from Domainz is subscribed to this list, or the DNC, please > > cancel > > > > the above domain, as I no longer have access to it, otherwise, its there >to > > stay until it expires... > > > > And no, I'm not smiling. > > > > Will Steele > > "^god" > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain > > legally privileged information intended only for the individual or >entity > > named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If > > you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, > > distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If >you > > have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning >the > > email and destroying the original. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > >-- >// Michael Hallager >Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > >URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz >networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking >equipment. > >Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) >Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) >Mobile: 027 477-7624 > >_______________________________________________ >NZNOG mailing list >NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - talk to family and friends overseas!

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RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Will Steele 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

Michael, 1) I am not employed or associated with ConceptNET as you suggested in your December post. 2) I believe it is against the Shared Registry's Terms of Service to use the whois for this sort of thing. 3) Domains are registered at a first come, first serve basis. The above domain was registered on the 28th March 2003, when I was being very stupid and immature, which I am (slowly) overcoming, but you don't seem to be helping. Please send me proof that Sahil is making these claims off list, or send anyone else the proof for that matter, because simply, you are generally full of shit. Get your facts straight before you post. If anyone from Domainz is subscribed to this list, or the DNC, please cancel the above domain, as I no longer have access to it, otherwise, its there to stay until it expires... And no, I'm not smiling. Will Steele "^god" _________________________________________________________________ Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming !

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DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Michael Hallager 09 Jan '04

09 Jan '04

version: 0.95 query_datetime: 2004-01-11T00:21:09+13:00 domain_name: nznog.org.nz query_status: 200 Active domain_dateregistered: 2003-03-28T18:45:57+12:00 domain_datebilleduntil: 2004-03-28T18:45:57+12:00 domain_datelastmodified: 2003-04-07T09:18:36+12:00 domain_delegaterequested: yes % registrar_name: Domainz registrar_address1: Private Bag 1810 registrar_city: Wellington registrar_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND) registrar_phone: +64 4 918-1740 registrar_fax: +64 4 918-1719 registrar_email: 4service(a)domainz.net.nz % registrant_contact_name: New Zealand Network Operators Group registrant_contact_address1: 32 Telecom Avenue registrant_contact_city: ROTORUA registrant_contact_postalcode: 21901240921481205732 registrant_contact_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND) registrant_contact_phone: +2395 3967 3685723583265 registrant_contact_email: god(a)hackers.net.nz % admin_contact_name: Donald Neal admin_contact_address1: 32 Telecom Avenue admin_contact_city: ROTORUA admin_contact_postalcode: 21901240921481205732 admin_contact_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND) admin_contact_phone: +2395 3967 3685723583265 admin_contact_email: god(a)hackers.net.nz % technical_contact_name: Punjabi Internet Services Limited technical_contact_address1: Punjabi House technical_contact_address2: Otara technical_contact_phone: +24 329 43960432 technical_contact_email: god(a)hackers.net.nz % ns_name_01: ns1.generaldns.com ns_ip4_01: 216.187.85.35 ns_name_02: ns3.generaldns.com ns_ip4_02: 209.188.79.62 % % Users are advised that the following activities are strictly forbidden. % % Using multiple WHOIS queries, or using the output of multiple WHOIS % queries in conjunction with any other facility or service, to enable % or effect a download of part or all of the .nz Register. % % Using any information contained in the WHOIS query output to attempt a % targeted contact campaign with any person, or any organisation, using any % medium. % % A breach of these conditions will be treated as a breach of the .nz Policies % and Procedures. Sanctions in line with those specified in the policies and % procedures at www.dnc.org.nz may result from any breach. root(a)219-88-253-130:/www/networkstuff/www.networkstuff.co.nz/html# -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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SSL Certificates query.
by Michael Hallager 09 Jan '04

09 Jan '04

Are they all somewhat equal? Anyone had any experience with "Chained SSL" certificates? // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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CertPatrol - watch your certs
by Dan Langille 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

All this talk of SSL certificates and with the recent expired Verisign certificate reminded me of this project I worked on. CertPatrol http://www.certpatrol.com/ keeps monitors your SSL certificates. A group of us created this free service over a year ago but haven't publicized it. Until now... cheers -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/

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Net4u troublemaking and fraud Watch out!
by Michael Hallager 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

Watch out people. Sahil and Net4U are now manufacturing totally bogus claims (Including claiming the existance of an invoice, which I have not seen, though if it exists it amounts to fraud) against myself and possibly other former clients. He sent me three B/S claims yesterday, which I refuted all of them so he kept changing his story every time. This guy will stop at nothing to get money in any way possible including lies and threats of Baycorp or the police (I am still waiting for him to lay any allegation) for a claimed but non-existant debt. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Something interesting
by Barry Murphy 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

I know this was spoken about and many people wondered how it could be done to share multiple internet connections for schools. I just found this to be interesting reading so here's the link... http://www.newswireless.net/articles/030120-locust.html "The impressive part is the ability to combine several broadband feeds. This is an option (it doesn't happen out of the box, but it's built in) - if there are 20 houses in the Mesh, but only four of them have broadband, all users can share all of those lines. It does add to network traffic; there's an estimated 10% increase in wireless load, says Lander. " Barry

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survey on BGP damping
by Beichuan Zhang 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

Hi, We are conducting a survey of BGP damping deployment and would greatly appreciate if you could take a few minutes to answer the following questions. There are a number of interesting results and various recommendations for damping settings. However, we have found only limited information on who does(does not) deploy damping and what parameter settings are selected in practice. If you are willing to participate, please send replies directly to us. We will collect the results (removing any private information regarding specific sites) and post the results to the list. Thanks! --- beichuan (1) Does your AS have BGP route flap damping turned on? * Yes * No (please skip to comments) (2) What damping parameters do you use? * Cisco Default * Juniper Default * RIPE recommendation * Customized (3) On which links do you enable damping? * To customers only * To providers * To peers * All the above (4) Comments Please tell us more such as: What kind of network are you managing (any specific names will be removed in the published study)? Why (why not) do you enable damping? If you enable damping, why did you choose your current parameters? Has your site seen specific problems that were prevented by damping (or caused by damping)? We welcome any other comments you feel are relevant. Thanks!

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Expired Verisign intermediate root certificate
by Matthew Poole 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

Just a warning to people who run servers with SSL certificates from Verisign, one of their intermediate root certificates expired at midnight (GMT) today. They appear to have signed SSL certs with a root which expires before the SSL cert does, causing all sorts of wonderful problems. http://www.verisign.com.au/support/carenewal/ has the new intermediate root, for people who have not yet installed it.

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FW: [members-discuss] Announcement of IPv6 Test-bed [ InternetNZ and CityLink] and the NZNOG Big Geek Program 04 28-30 Jan 2004
by Michael Sutton 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

FYI - see you all there :) -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces(a)internetnz.net.nz [mailto:members-discuss-bounces(a)internetnz.net.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Sutton Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 02:09 To: InternetNZ Members Discussion List Subject: [members-discuss] Announcement of IPv6 Test-bed [ InternetNZ and CityLink] and the NZNOG Big Geek Program 04 28-30 Jan 2004 Dear Members We are proud to let you know of our joint initiative with CityLink which will see InternetNZ provide funding necessary to enable a public access IPv6/IPv4 local Gateway and a one megabit low latency link for six months between APE6 and WIX6 for non commercial testing commencing in January 2004. Please read details at: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/communications/mr040105ipv6-test-bed.htm <http://www.internetnz.net.nz/communications/mr040105ipv6-test-bed.htm> CityLink will present this in operation at the NZNOG Big Geek Program 04, hosted by Waikato University. (28-30th) 3 days ~$120 Registration (discount until 9th January) http://www.nznog.org <http://www.nznog.org> . InternetNZ is a major sponsor of this conference and I shall attend presenting the technical case for Multicast enabling the New Zealand network as well as hosting a BoF on this Topic and network InterOperability initiatives which InternetNZ has been fostering over the past 6 months. At our last Council meeting it was agreed that we would also provide upto $2,500 of educational materials for this Conference. InternetNZ has ordered and is contributing technical books on how to enable Inter Domain Multicast services using Cisco and Juniper equipment. These will be distributed to those attending the Multicast BoF. If you can attend or help your engineers get some time to join us there we would really enjoy getting together and besides Roger DeSalis is sponsoring the Bar :) Peter Macaulay will also be there with other INZ councillors as he claims lineage as a proto-geek of the '60s :) Best regards Michael Sutton Councillor 2003-2004 Technical Committee Member. +64 21 305500

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Carpool to BGP aka NZNOG04
by Lin Nah 06 Jan '04

06 Jan '04

Hi all Just a short note to let you know that if you have a seat in your car for a passenger (or more) or if you wish to find a ride to Hamilton for the meet, email carpool(a)nznog.org. I'll attempt to pair up those who need a ride with those who can give it. For those needing rides I need to know where you are. For those offering rides, I need to know where you are driving from and when you hope to get to Hamilton (ie whether you intend to be there for the tutorials on Wed or for Thurs&Fri only) Don't leave it too late. regards lin

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(slightly OT) APEC TEL ... next meeting, Hong Kong 21-26 March
by Frank March 06 Jan '04

06 Jan '04

Folks: It is about a year since I last posted on the TEL ... apologies to those whose sense of deja vu is overwhelming. The APEC Telecommunications and Information Working Group (TEL) is highly productive and has a very strong private sector presence. It is very active in online & cyber security, privacy & authentication, telecommunications policy and regulation, broadband & NGI, and in promoting international co-operative projects in areas such as electronic commerce, research and education and many other areas relevant to telecommunications and the use and promotion of ICT generally in the APEC region. The TEL meets twice yearly in different APEC economies and attracts 200 to 300 delegates drawn from most of the APEC economies of whom up to half are from non-government and private organisations. Over the past several years, the New Zealand delegation to the TEL meetings has included a number of private sector members as well as officials from government agencies. Although TEL meetings are not suited to overt marketing activities, private sector delegates have found meetings useful for making contacts and networking opportunities. There is no registration fee for APEC TEL meetings, and the costs of at least some meals are met by sponsors, however delegates are expected to meet their own travel and accommodation costs. The next meeting (TEL29) will be in Hong Kong, 21-26 March 2004. Registrations are required by 21 February. Information about TEL29 may be found at http://www.apectel29.gov.hk (the website will be updated regularly) and further information and papers from previous meetings at http://www.apectel.org Please contact me if you are interested in joining the New Zealand delegation (you must be a member of an official delegation to attend) or if you would like any further information. And please pass this information on to anyone else you think might be interested. -- Frank March Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908 Senior Specialist Advisor Fax (+64 4) 474 2659 Information Technology Policy Group Mobile: (+64) 21 042 9205 Ministry of Economic Development, Wellington, New Zealand http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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NZNOG '04 Deadlines
by Tony McGregor 05 Jan '04

05 Jan '04

Conference plans are proceeding really well and it looks like we're going to have a great conference. We've got a good bunch of speakers on interesting topics including details of a major IPv6 announcement that you'll hear about in the next little while, wireless IP, VoIP, H.323 Video, NZ NGI, BGP, CityLink plans and a heap more. There'll be speakers from many of NZ's major ISPs and other major industry players and from vendors including Cisco and Juniper. We've added a day of workshops and tutorials to the program which will include APNIC's Internet Resource Management Essentials training course and Ian Hastie (Link Information Technology Limited) on Wireless Technology. We've received very generous sponsorship, including from our primary sponsors CityLink and major sponsor InternetNZ. Also from FX networks, the University and the WAND group. This has kept the cost to just $120 for all three days (including lunches, tea and coffee, tee shirt, coffee mug, sponsored bar, etc.) **NOTE*** YOU MUST REGISTER THIS WEEK to get the discounted registration fee or if you require on campus accommodation. If you know of people who might benefit from the conference but who don't regularly read NZNOG (e.g. major customers, operators of national private networks etc) we would be grateful if you would make them aware of the conference. Full details and registration are at: http://www.nznog.org/ Looking forward to seeing you there. Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095(w) +64 7 825 5047(h) Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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how much traffic does a Kiwi use?
by Jonathan Brewer 04 Jan '04

04 Jan '04

Hi there NZNOG folks, I ask this question with my academic hat* on, as a student in the Victoria MMIM program: How much Internet traffic does the average New Zealander generate/consume per month? I've found a plethora of statistics on how many dialup users are out there, how many ISDN and ADSL lines there, and even how many minutes Kiwis have spent on their dialup connections, (1550 million minutes/month[1]) but nothing on traffic. I have even had a look at a few non-public studies. I haven't, however, found anything about traffic. Results will go in a paper for MMIM 522 comparing e-Infrastructure of Ireland and New Zealand. TIA, and Cheers, Jonathan Brewer * for those of you TNC folks who know me with my 802.16 hat on [1] Howell, Bronwyn & Obren, Mark (2003) Telecommunications Usage in New Zealand: 1993-2003. Wellington: New Zealand Institute for the Study of Competition and Regulation

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W3C head Berners-Lee to be knighted
by Barry Murphy 04 Jan '04

04 Jan '04

Slightly off topic, but interesting... W3C head Berners-Lee to be knighted http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/12/31/HNblkinght_1.html By Grant Gross, IDG News Service December 31, 2003 World Wide Web founder to be given second highest rank of order Tim Berners-Lee, credited with inventing the World Wide Web and director of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), will be named a Knight Commander, Order of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth of the U.K., the W3C announced Wednesday. The rank of Knight Commander is the second highest rank of the Order of the British Empire. Berners-Lee, 48, a U.K. citizen who lives in the U.S., is being knighted in recognition of his "services to the global development of the Internet" through the invention of the World Wide Web. "This is an honor which applies to the whole Web development community, and to the inventors and developers of the Internet, whose work made the Web possible, " Berners-Lee said in a statement. "I accept this as an endorsement of the spirit of the Web; of building it in a decentralized way; of making best efforts to keep it open and fair; and of ensuring its fundamental technologies are available to all for broad use and innovation, and without having to pay licensing fees." The London-born Berners-Lee graduated from Oxford University in 1976. As a student there, he built his first computer using a soldering iron, an old television and other parts. In 1980, while Berners-Lee wrote the first program for storing information using the kind of random associations the brain makes. At the time, he worked as a consultant software engineer at CERN, often called the European Particle Physics Laboratory in Geneva. The Enquire program -- which was never published -- formed the conceptual basis for the future development of the Web, according to the W3C. While at CERN in 1989, he proposed a global hypertext project, designed to allow people to work together by combining their knowledge in a Web of hypertext documents. That hypertext project would become known as the World Wide Web. The program, WorldWideWeb, was first made available within CERN in December 1990, and all of Berners-Lee's code was made available on the Internet in the summer of 1991, according to information from the W3C. In 1994, Berners-Lee founded the World Wide Web Consortium, where he presently serves as director. The W3C coordinates Web development worldwide, and its goal is to lead the Web to its full potential, ensuring its stability through rapid evolution and revolutionary transformations of its usage. Berners-Lee joins several other U.K. citizens to receive honors from the Queen, including rock guitarist Eric Clapton, actor Pete Postlethwaite and author Philip Pullman.

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Fwd: 2004 network predictions.
by Richard Naylor 01 Jan '04

01 Jan '04

>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:24:46 -0500 (EST) >From: batz <batsy(a)vapour.net> >To: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: 2004 network predictions. > >Here are some dire predictions for 2004. > >While it would be easy to say that the world will end, >I think these are all things that reasonably could happen, >and we could act pre-emptively to mitigate their effects. > > >- Virus infections of handhelds and mobile phones > causing widespread problems for cell networks > similar to worms that flood out IP networks. > - Bonus points for a bluetooth infection vector. > - Extra bonus points if it floods newly minted > VoIP telecom networks. Grim. > >- E-mail whitelist technology gains mainstream acceptance > as spam hits critical mass. Spam recieved by astronauts > in space. > >- ISP's search for new business models realizing that wireless > providers are making a mint charging by the kilobyte, and more > users just surf at work. > >- Wireless network "terrorism" or "porn" incident galvanizes > legislators to force hotspot operators to get ID or credit > card numbers from customers. > >- Really Bad instant-messenger worm that we can't do anything > about because it doesn't use consistant tcp/udp ports. > >- ISP's use managed anti-virus/security to sell new managed services > to users. Birth of the fully provider managed home PC? > >- Affinity networks/six-degrees site privacy boondoggle. > One is caught selling access data to airlines or > transport security or something. Everyone feels sick > as Friendster acquired by Equifax? > >- Private crypted networks used for P2P. Call them blacknets, > darknets, or in true arrr-pirate fashion, booty-nets. > yo-ho-ho. > >- Successful virtual worm network forged after a > worm spreads its second phase and installs an onion > routed virtual network. Maybe a new P2P network? > >- Linux kernel made illegal, somewhere, for a minute. > Presidential candidate may admit to using it once, > but didn't look at the source. RIAA/MPAA/DMCA a > surprise US election issue. > >- LEA access to ISP's formalized, spearheaded by > Cisco and its "lawful interception" capability. > Court gag order placed on participating ISP's, > disgruntled admin leaks details to Cryptome or > Phrack. > >- More end-to-end control connections that > identify/validate/authenticate end users. Eg, > VPN's, SSL, PPP. An assault on anonymity and > stateless protocols, or technologies that interrupt > the statefulness of the connection between user and > their primary providers. (eg, WiFi, P2P, UDP, VoIP). > >- P2P on the road to obselescence caused by higher metred > bandwidth charges to home cable users in line with > wireless costs. While there is a glut of bandwidth > capacity available for transit, this is not the case > for end-user consumption. Cable providers will lower > bandwidth caps under the auspices of combatting piracy, > enabling them to actually make money. > > >Given these sort of predictions, I don't mind >being wrong. Have a good year, I'll post again >then. ;) > > >-- >batz

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Jan '04

01 Jan '04

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. A face-to-face gathering is to take place in Hamilton on January 28 to 30, hosted by the WAND group. That's THIS MONTH. See http://www.nznog.org/ for details. Register NOW if you're planning to attend. Also see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/about.html if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Internet Exchanges See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. See http://www.wix.net.nz/ for the Wellington Internet Exchange. And possibly http://www.citylink.co.nz/information/news/nr1068413489.html . About This Mailing List This list has around six hundred addresses subscribed. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Alcatel NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. One way to search the archive is to use google and prefix your search with site:list.waikato.ac.nz . Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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International Capacity... some more questions :)
by Don Gould - BVC 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

The other day someone mentioned that there was a host of other operators with wave legnths on the SXC and others. Can anyone tell me more about who they are? Can you also tell me any that deliver to a pop in Christchurch? Feel free to contact me off list... Cheers DiG -- Don Gould The technology exists to give every home 10mbits per second for $10 per month! Ask not what your telephone company should do for you... ...but what you can do for your broadband community!

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International connectivity
by Matthew Poole 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

At risk of pulling this list vaguely back on-topic, I'm curious about which ISPs in NZ carry their own international link(s) - That is, it's them at the NZ end and whoever they peer with at the other end, rather than going through another ISP or NSP within NZ. We all know about TelstraClear, Telecom/GG and the Hug, but are there any others?

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Link Networks / Networkstuff
by Michael Hallager 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

We are back online now. I expect that the websites and email will be available by tomorrow morning, as we have to renumber. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Re: Re: [nznog] (no subject)
by Anaru Hartley 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

> From: Anaru Hartley <tycoon275(a)yahoo.co.nz> > Date: 2003/12/30 Tue AM 01:42:35 GMT+13:00 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] (no subject) > > 18/F That is not me. > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Re: [nznog] (no subject)
by Anaru Hartley 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

18/F

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by Anaru Hartley 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

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Surprised it was as little as 50c
by Juha Saarinen 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

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