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IPv6 in NZ?
by Juha Saarinen 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

Noticed on: http://snurl.com/1638 that Xtra "isn't considering moving to" IPv6 and also claims that "none of the ISPs are", presumably meaning the NZ ones. I know this is not correct, and that Joe Abley and Clear were at it back in '98 already, with the Uni of Canterbury. Where are things at with IPv6 in NZ now though? -- Juha Saarinen

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RE: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Zanetti David 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

Jeremy Brooking wrote on 16 April 2003: > On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 11:56, Zanetti David wrote: > > Please let us not head down the path of handing out RFC1918 space to end > > users as if this is a real connection. That way leads to Much Pain with Less > > Than Friendly Protocols. Which seems to be an awful lot beyond CS weenies :) > > 36878 players and 3132 clans ranked on 3 servers in 7 days. > > I wouldnt exactly say 36 thousand paying customers are 'weenies' Never said they weren't paying customers. :) -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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RE: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Zanetti David 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

Nathan Ward wrote on 16 April 2003: > In that case RFC1918 space can be used... else beware the whining gamer > who can't play CounterStrike with a v6 address. Please let us not head down the path of handing out RFC1918 space to end users as if this is a real connection. That way leads to Much Pain with Less Than Friendly Protocols. Which seems to be an awful lot beyond CS weenies :) The day an ISP hands me an address which is RFC1918 is the day I switch away. -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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Re: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Nathan Ward 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

In that case RFC1918 space can be used... else beware the whining gamer who can't play CounterStrike with a v6 address. Nathan Ward Donald Neal wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nathan Ward [mailto:nward(a)esphion.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2003 10:58 >>To: Jeremy Brooking >>Cc: NZNOG >>Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ? >> >> >>It is probably also worth noting that the article implies >>that v6 would >>fix the problem... >>This isn't really true as v4 will still have to be available.. >> >> > >But not to all of the people all of the time. The bulk of traffic from Xtra end users will presumably be going to Xtra's own boxes - email, proxy cache and games. > >- Donald Neal >(all opinions my own, etc.) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. >If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read >it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not >copy or use any part of this communication or disclose >anything about it. Thank you." > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >

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RE: [nznog] tranzpeer leaking at APE
by Robert Purdy (DSL AK) 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

We have also had one of our main providers leaking the global routing table into our routers. Its time to heed Joes advice and ensure your max prefixes are set (or at least your filtering is correctly configured) Cheers Rob Purdy -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] Sent: Monday, 14 April 2003 5:14 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] tranzpeer leaking at APE 192.203.154.46 in AS 9790 seems to be leaking a global table to peers across the APE at the moment; if you aren't filtering (or don't have maximum-prefix limits set) and you were wondering where all your traffic is going, it might be going that way. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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tranzpeer leaking at APE
by Joe Abley 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

192.203.154.46 in AS 9790 seems to be leaking a global table to peers across the APE at the moment; if you aren't filtering (or don't have maximum-prefix limits set) and you were wondering where all your traffic is going, it might be going that way.

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ns iprange
by Edward Yardley 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

Could someone please point me in the direction of a New Zealand IP range list? Regards Edward ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Yardley Director Edan Technologies Limited www.edan.co.nz edward(a)edan.co.nz "Providing plain english technological solutions" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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nz.* newsgroups updates.
by Simon Lyall 12 Apr '03

12 Apr '03

Can you please pass onto your local Usenet admin. I've just removed the following nz.* newsgroups nz.org.isocnz nz.biz.misc Also the following unmoderated newsgroups have been added over the past few months: nz.tech nz.soc.maori Please contact me if you have any further questions, want to arrange feeds etc. Simon. Wearing his "nz.* hierarchy Coordinator" hat. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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Xtra makes appearance on slashdot.
by jfp 09 Apr '03

09 Apr '03

For those that missed it. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/04/09/018236.shtml?tid=95 jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Seeby Woodhouse 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Hi there Neo I notice that you are a HyperNet user. Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a customer of ours. Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP wholesaler in NZ We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a couple in Australia. Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your existing bill :-) (pretty much) The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything you need to know.. Cheers Seeby Woodhouse Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > -----Original Message----- > From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] vISP > > > Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? > Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a > quality, if not, standard service. > > neo > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Netforum 2003
by Roger De Salis 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Gentlefolks, Please find attached a brochure for Netforum 2003. Please note that the extremely strong ISP component will be augmented with additional stuff. The program will likely be moved around a little such that Joe Abley, Ben Martel and Barry Raveendren Greene will be interleaved in such a manner that those specifically interested in the ISP management and design stuff can see it all, rather than having to choose between competing talks. I look forward to meeting you all there... Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)fx.net.nz </' FX Networks +64 25 481 452 /) Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz (/ ` DSL - the 56k modem technology of 2004

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. NZNOG held a face to face gathering as part of the UniForum NZ conference in 2002, and is to do the same again from 10-12 July this year. See http://www.uniforum.org.nz/conference 2003/conference.html for details, but note that the NZNOG schedule there is well short of final. NZNOG doesn't hold other national face to face meetings, but see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 470 addresses subscribed, increasing by around twenty a month at present. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins -- Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Bogon update 60/8 and 223/8
by Rob Thomas 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

[ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] IANA has received 223/8 *from* APNIC, and allocated 60/8 *to* APNIC. Thus 223/8 reverts to RESERVED (bogon) status and 60/8 moves to ALLOCATED status. The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA allocation on April 08, 2003: 60/8 Apr 03 APNIC 223/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved NOTE WELL: This post includes an allocation and a DE-ALLOCATION. Please be sure to adjust your filters accordingly. IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters. The use of the bogon route-server will automate these updates for you and your network (see below). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html> A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/> The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose and Strict (Juniper) BGP <http://www.cymru.com/BGP/bogon-rs.html> Bogon route-server[*] RADb <http://www.radb.net/cgi-bin/radb/whois.cgi?obj=fltr-bogons> <http://www.radb.net/cgi-bin/radb/whois.cgi?obj=fltr-unallocated> <http://www.radb.net/cgi-bin/radb/whois.cgi?obj=fltr-martian> fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html#dns> Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring <http://www.cymru.com/BGP/> Bogon prefix monitoring [*] All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Team Cymru http://www.cymru.com/About/teamcymru.html ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Steve Phillips 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

Before I start, I believe this to be on topic as it pertains to some that are on this list. While strictly speaking not a 'NOG' issue, using 'marketing' under the guise of 'it cuts down chatter' or 'needless questions' is IMHO not something that should make it onto a list that is here for technical discussion - sure, answer the post, but keep it technical. At 12:20 7/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote: >My apologies to Steve and others that may hold similar views that my >post was inappropriate. I am sure that "sorry" means "I wont do it again" - so I expect that this will be the case. >My resons for copying the list were: >- There are obviously people subscribed to the list interested in VISP >services that haven't yet heard of us, hence a reply to the person >concerned as well as the list will save future queries. "Orcon does it" - hmm, stopping future enquiries by sending people directly to you as the first stop ? sounds markedly like marketing to me. >- There are a lot of Orcon staff members subscribed to NZNOG, and >multiple people may have replied to this person if they hadn't seen a >post from me. I'm sure you are more than capable of contacting your own staff (BCC works wonders to an all-staff mailing list) and replying to the person enquiring without even touching this list. >I only post very occasionally, and although my post was promoting >Orcon's services, I felt that it was on topic. And it appears that anytime i see you 'post' something it is either defending Orcon after they screwed up or trying to market your company in the wrong forums. >Steve - I feel just as strongly as you about keeping posts relevant in >NZNOG, but if every time someone posts something that a competitor feels >is a 'plug' or of marginal value, they get publically dragged through >the coals for it, then: This was not marginal - it was against the reasons this list was set up. This is a technical list, not a "come buy off me" list. >A) people are going to be afraid to post articles that could be relevant >to NZNOG unless they are totally sure of relevance and ISP neutrality. And possibly this should be the case - the NOG is a group of operators, we post things that are of relevance to everyone, not simply random drivel that we _think_ might interest people. The people that are members of this list and _do_ actually post usually do so in a neutral way - with the occasional dig thrown in as this is a friendly group (as a whole) and we do know each other and their respective trades/affiliations. >B) The number of 'flame' posts critisizing people for their posts will >keep outnumbering the actual posts, which is just a waste of everyone's >time. (this is now the 4th post on this thread, when it could have >stopped at two, as only the first two were relevant) >In future, if you don't like my posts, then email me privately as I will >take your comments on board. This I thought long about - I _was_ going to e-mail you privately, but then no one else would get the benefit of understanding why they just got told off for posting their own random drivel as "but Seeby did it and got away with it x years ago !" And as for the 'flames out numbering the posts' - surely this could be a warning to someone that actually starts to post with a biased opinion on an apparently 'unbiased' list ? And as for taking comments on board' that's cool - since when have you actually _acted_ on these comments ? you used to do this same thing on usenet over and over despite people _publicly_ telling you not to. It appears that you simply don't listen. >Personally - I am happy to receive emails from other NZNOG members that >are of borderline relevance, because it all helps to fit together the >jigsaw of what is happening in the industry, and I want know what is >going on, and who we're up against, If I didn't like the sort of posts >that people are putting up, then I'd unsubscribe. That's great, we are happy that you are happy, however, I am rather unhappy that when i post responses to peoples queries such as this I try my hardest to ensure that I in no way bias the user toward the company I work for, If I really believe that we offer the only service of this nature then I will tend to reply in private or simply post a "please contact me off list" type post - it actually makes me quite angry when someone else puts forward resources that are hijacked by some marketing drone who feels that simply because the resource is there they have some innate right to pollute everyone's mailboxen with their marketing drivel. Now, some constructive criticism to take on board. When replying to this post, you could have mentioned the other ISP's that offer VISP's, you could also have mentioned that many other ISP's would be more than willing to help setup a VISP were they being paid for it (setup costs and consulting possibly) To mention a few ISP's VISP/E3/ICONZ Morenet Ihug Attica Orcon and possibly Paradise There are also a large number of ex ISP staff that know pretty much everything there is to know about setting up an ISP and would be more than willing to offer their services to assist and advise on setups/costs etc and could also be there to offer ongoing support should you require it. (reading archives will show some names up) These all offer differing plans for telehousing/co-location should you wish to own and operate your own servers and could assist in setups, licensing fee's, backboning current infrastructure and some can even lease equipment to you and/or give you virtual space on their own managed systems. They pretty much all have account managers that you can contact for things like this and you would probably find that they will bend over backwards to have you on board. As for reputations - just look about the Internet and ask people that you know that are in the internet business how the various companies conduct themselves - also, don't forget that you are able to ask for 'reference customers' from most organisations that will put you in contact with someone that will tell you what the overall experience has been like. Starting a VISP may seem 'easy' but there should be a lot of work involved before you choose which provider to go with, and don't be scared of doing a little ground work before you make the final decision. <end example> Seeby, you should know better, infact, I _know_ that you know better and just like to push the boundaries of what's acceptable - Someday I sincerely hope it comes back to kick you in the posterior -- Steve.

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Seeby Woodhouse 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

My apologies to Steve and others that may hold similar views that my post was inappropriate. My resons for copying the list were: - There are obviously people subscribed to the list interested in VISP services that haven't yet heard of us, hence a reply to the person concerned as well as the list will save future queries. - There are a lot of Orcon staff members subscribed to NZNOG, and multiple people may have replied to this person if they hadn't seen a post from me. I only post very occasionally, and although my post was promoting Orcon's services, I felt that it was on topic. Steve - I feel just as strongly as you about keeping posts relevant in NZNOG, but if every time someone posts something that a competitor feels is a 'plug' or of marginal value, they get publically dragged through the coals for it, then: A) people are going to be afraid to post articles that could be relevant to NZNOG unless they are totally sure of relevance and ISP neutrality. B) The number of 'flame' posts critisizing people for their posts will keep outnumbering the actual posts, which is just a waste of everyone's time. (this is now the 4th post on this thread, when it could have stopped at two, as only the first two were relevant) In future, if you don't like my posts, then email me privately as I will take your comments on board. Personally - I am happy to receive emails from other NZNOG members that are of borderline relevance, because it all helps to fit together the jigsaw of what is happening in the industry, and I want know what is going on, and who we're up against, If I didn't like the sort of posts that people are putting up, then I'd unsubscribe. Cheers Seeby Woodhouse Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2003 6:57 a.m. > To: NZNOG Mailing List (NZNOG Mailing List) > Subject: RE: [nznog] vISP > > > Was it really necessary to reply to the list like this Seeby ? > > This sort of marketing thing should be kept off list - a simple "yes, > contact me off list for details" would have sufficed. > > (but then you already know this as you have been told > repeatedly about this > sort of thing in various forums over the past two to three > years _at least_) > > I guess this would mean that Orcon doesn't fit at least one > of his criteria > then, an ISP that SPAMs to sell its own services could hardly > be called > "reputable" > > > -- > Steve. > > At 20:07 6/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote: > >Hi there Neo > > > >I notice that you are a HyperNet user. > >Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a > customer of > >ours. Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP > wholesaler in > >NZ We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a > >couple in Australia. > > > >Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your > existing bill > >:-) > >(pretty much) > > > >The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp > (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) > >he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything > you need > >to know.. > > > >Cheers > > > >Seeby Woodhouse > >Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz > >Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] > > > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. > > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: [nznog] vISP > > > > > > > > > Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? > Providing > > > your an honest entity and capable of providing a quality, if not, > > > standard service. > > > > > > neo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nznog mailing list > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Nznog mailing list > >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > -- > Steve Phillips > Professional Slacker > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/CS/CC d- s+:- a- C++++(---)$ UL++++$ UB++++$ US++++$ > UC++++$ P+ L+++$ > E- W-(+) N+$ w$ O V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+@ 5+++ tv++ b+ G e+>* > h r--- z+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To decode see > http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Steve Phillips 06 Apr '03

06 Apr '03

Was it really necessary to reply to the list like this Seeby ? This sort of marketing thing should be kept off list - a simple "yes, contact me off list for details" would have sufficed. (but then you already know this as you have been told repeatedly about this sort of thing in various forums over the past two to three years _at least_) I guess this would mean that Orcon doesn't fit at least one of his criteria then, an ISP that SPAMs to sell its own services could hardly be called "reputable" -- Steve. At 20:07 6/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote: >Hi there Neo > >I notice that you are a HyperNet user. >Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a customer of >ours. >Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP wholesaler in NZ >We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a couple >in Australia. > >Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your existing bill >:-) >(pretty much) > >The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) >he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything you need to >know.. > >Cheers > >Seeby Woodhouse >Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz >Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] > > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: [nznog] vISP > > > > > > Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? > > Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a > > quality, if not, standard service. > > > > neo > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > >_______________________________________________ >Nznog mailing list >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Steve Phillips Professional Slacker -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CS/CC d- s+:- a- C++++(---)$ UL++++$ UB++++$ US++++$ UC++++$ P+ L+++$ E- W-(+) N+$ w$ O V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+@ 5+++ tv++ b+ G e+>* h r--- z+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To decode see http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/

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New IANA IPv4 DE-allocations and bogon updates
by Rob Thomas 06 Apr '03

06 Apr '03

[ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA DE-allocations on April 05, 2003: 173/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 174/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 175/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 176/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 177/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 178/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 179/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 180/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 181/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 182/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 183/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 184/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 185/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 186/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 187/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 189/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 190/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved Note well: These are IP DE-allocations which increases the number of Bogon networks! Also note that 188/8 is NOT part of the list above. IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters if you are not using the bogon BGP feed(s). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Strict (Juniper) BGP Bogon route-server * RADb fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring Bogon prefix monitoring * All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. [http://www.cymru.com/About/teamcymru.html] -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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vISP
by neo 05 Apr '03

05 Apr '03

Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a quality, if not, standard service. neo

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New IANA IPv4 allocations and bogon updates
by Rob Thomas 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA allocation on April 04, 2003: 201/8 Apr 03 LACNIC (whois.lacnic.net) IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters if you are not using the bogon BGP feed(s). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose and Strict (Juniper) BGP Bogon route-server * RADb fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring Bogon prefix monitoring * All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. [http://www.cymru.com/About/teamcymru.html] -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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Fwd: [public-consult] Geek.nz up for submissions
by Robert McDonald 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

FYI ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [public-consult] Geek.nz up for submissions Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:25:23 +1200 From: "Gavin Lambert" <gavinl(a)compacsort.com> To: <public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz> I'm a little surprised there hasn't been an official announcement on this list; or perhaps there has and I just missed it somehow. Anyway, for those like me that hadn't heard before, the proposal for geek.nz has now entered the "Request for Submissions" phase. More details can be found at: http://www.dnc.org.nz/story/30107-30-1.html _______________________________________________ public-consult mailing list public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz http://listserver.internetnz.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/public-consult ------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net

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NZ importer for reliawave WLAN ?
by Steve Wright 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Can anyone point me to a NZ importer for Reliawave WLAN Gear ? vis, http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz/reliawave-rwz-200mw-prism2… TIA, Steve

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FW: RFC 3514
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

I'm surprised nobody posted this yesterday > -----Original Message----- > > You may like to check out this excellent new RFC: > > ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3514.txt > > Mark Harris > Senior Advisor, State Services Commission > Tel: 64 4 495 2844 >

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RE: CERT Advisory CA-2003-12 Buffer Overflow in Sendmail
by Tony Wicks 30 Mar '03

30 Mar '03

Hi all, the Redhat mirror server ftp.wicks.co.nz ( ftp.isl.net.nz ) now has the Sendmail updates. Infact it just synced up the updates for Redhat 9.0, which is a bit ironic as 9.0 is not even released yet. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > CERT Advisory CA-2003-12 Buffer Overflow in Sendmail > > > > Original release date: March 29, 2003 > > Last revised: > > Source: CERT/CC > > > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > > > Systems Affected > > > > * Sendmail Pro (all versions) > > * Sendmail Switch 2.1 prior to 2.1.6 > > * Sendmail Switch 2.2 prior to 2.2.6 > > * Sendmail Switch 3.0 prior to 3.0.4 > > * Sendmail for NT 2.X prior to 2.6.3 > > * Sendmail for NT 3.0 prior to 3.0.4 > > * Systems running open-source sendmail versions prior > to 8.12.9, > > including UNIX and Linux systems > > > > Overview > > > > There is a vulnerability in sendmail that can be exploited > to cause a > > denial-of-service condition and could allow a remote > attacker to > > execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the > sendmail daemon, > > typically root. > > > > I. Description > > > > There is a remotely exploitable vulnerability in sendmail > that could > > allow an attacker to gain control of a vulnerable > sendmail server. > > Address parsing code in sendmail does not adequately check > the length > > of email addresses. An email message with a specially > crafted address > > could trigger a stack overflow. This vulnerability was > discovered by > > Michal Zalewski. > > > > This vulnerability is different than the one described in CA-2003-07. > > > > Most organizations have a variety of mail transfer agents > (MTAs) at > > various locations within their network, with at least one > exposed to > > the Internet. Since sendmail is the most popular > MTA, most > > medium-sized to large organizations are likely to have at > least one > > vulnerable sendmail server. In addition, many UNIX > and Linux > > workstations provide a sendmail implementation that is > enabled and > > running by default. > > > > This vulnerability is message-oriented as > opposed to > > connection-oriented. That means that the vulnerability is > triggered by > > the contents of a specially-crafted email message > rather than by > > lower-level network traffic. This is important because > an MTA that > > does not contain the vulnerability will pass the > malicious message > > along to other MTAs that may be protected at the network > level. In > > other words, vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of > a network > > are still at risk, even if the site's border MTA uses > software other > > than sendmail. Also, messages capable of exploiting this > vulnerability > > may pass undetected through many common packet filters or firewalls. > > > > This vulnerability has been successfully exploited to > cause a > > denial-of-service condition in a laboratory > environment. It is > > possible that this vulnerability could be used to execute > code on some > > vulnerable systems. > > > > The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#897604. This > reference number > > corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2003-0161. > > > > For more information, please see > > > > http://www.sendmail.org > > http://www.sendmail.org/8.12.9.html > > http://www.sendmail.com/security/ > > > > For the latest information about this vulnerability, > including the > > most recent vendor information, please see > > > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/897604 > > > > This vulnerability is distinct from VU#398025. > > > > II. Impact > > > > Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may > cause a > > denial-of-service condition or allow an attacker to > gain the > > privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. Even > vulnerable > > sendmail servers on the interior of a given network may > be at risk > > since the vulnerability is triggered by the contents of a > malicious > > email message. > > > > III. Solution > > > > Apply a patch from Sendmail, Inc. > > > > Sendmail has produced patches for versions 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, > and 8.12. > > However, the vulnerability also exists in earlier > versions of the > > code; therefore, site administrators using an earlier > version are > > encouraged to upgrade to 8.12.9. These patches, and a > signature file, > > are located at > > > > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/prescan.tar.gz.uu > > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/prescan.tar.gz.uu.asc > > > > Apply a patch from your vendor > > > > Many vendors include vulnerable sendmail servers as > part of their > > software distributions. We have notified vendors of this > vulnerability > > and recorded the statements they provided in Appendix > A of this > > advisory. The most recent vendor information can be > found in the > > systems affected section of VU#897604. > > > > Enable the RunAsUser option > > > > There is no known workaround for this vulnerability. Until a > patch can > > be applied, you may wish to set the RunAsUser option to > reduce the > > impact of this vulnerability. As a good general practice, > the CERT/CC > > recommends limiting the privileges of an application > or service > > whenever possible. > > > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors > for this > > advisory. As vendors report new information to the > CERT/CC, we will > > update this section and note the changes in our revision > history. If a > > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not > received their > > comments. > > > > Red Hat Inc. > > > > Red Hat distributes sendmail in all Red Hat Linux > distributions. We > > are currently [Mar29] working on producing errata packages > to correct > > this issue, when complete these will be available > along with our > > advisory at the URL below. At the same time users of > the Red Hat > > Network will be able to update their systems using the > 'up2date' tool. > > > > Red Hat Linux: > > > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-120.html > > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux: > > > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-121.html > > > > The Sendmail Consortium > > > > The Sendmail Consortium recommends that sites upgrade > to 8.12.9 > > whenever possible. Alternatively, patches are available for > 8.9, 8.10, > > 8.11, and 8.12 on http://www.sendmail.org/. > > > > Sendmail, Inc. > > > > All commercial releases including Sendmail Switch, > Sendmail Advanced > > Message Server (which includes the Sendmail Switch MTA), > Sendmail for > > NT, and Sendmail Pro are affected by this issue. Patch > information is > > available at http://www.sendmail.com/security/. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Our thanks to Eric Allman, Claus Assmann, Greg > Shapiro, and Dave > > Anderson of Sendmail for reporting this problem and > for their > > assistance in coordinating the response to this problem. We > also thank > > Michal Zalewski for discovering this vulnerability. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Authors: Art Manion and Shawn V. Hernan > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > This document is available from: > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-12.html > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > > > Email: cert(a)cert.org > > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > > Postal address: > > CERT Coordination Center > > Software Engineering Institute > > Carnegie Mellon University > > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > > U.S.A. > > > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 > EST(GMT-5) / > > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for > emergencies > > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > > > Using encryption > > > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent > by email. > > Our public PGP key is available from > > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT > hotline for more > > information. > > > > Getting security information > > > > CERT publications and other security information are > available from > > our web site > > http://www.cert.org/ > > > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and > bulletins, > > send email to majordomo(a)cert.org. Please include in the > body of your > > message > > > > subscribe cert-advisory > > > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered > in the U.S. > > Patent and Trademark Office. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > NO WARRANTY > > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and > the Software > > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" > basis. Carnegie > > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either > expressed or > > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, > warranty of > > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, > exclusivity or > > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon > University > > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to > freedom from > > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > > > Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. > > Revision History > > > > March 29,2003: Initial release > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQCVAwUBPoX5XGjtSoHZUTs5AQHvjgQAqTy3GQnszPHtUnUBX7VDM4NKSesFHHvC > > 2JmDAMPYmCO2b32xvWDmMcWdPhOBmJLB2o6zv7mRWX1K0B1GN5TBErIii6dxTaDD > > OAUNjirMGdTr+WnxIjdk0gj57JbOU6ZdHHcAijG5SE/dZq4sMrOCGEAMJTVNDzYp > > BtHbFwDeLEY= > > =dgBI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >

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Moderation etc.
by Donald Neal 30 Mar '03

30 Mar '03

NZNOG People, I'd like to make a number of comments about events on this list over the last couple of days. This is partly because I simply don't have the time to respond individually to all of the emails sent to me. Sorry. But first, a brief chronology of some of this morning's events: 9:03 List notified that mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz has been unsubscribed 10:11 List notified that phuct up(a)msn.com has been unsubscribed 10:19 Abusive email with forged From address posted to the list 10:31 "^god" with address god(a)hackers.net.nz subscribes to the list 10:39 Address god(a)hackers.net.nz unsubscribed by administrator 11:00 Notice from Xtra received that originator of abusive email has been removed from Xtra's network. All of which makes sense to me, but it's taken us some time to get here. The current AUP process is written to allow a certain amount of stupidity to take place before people get unsubscribed. For myself, I'd prefer to keep it that way. Complaining to the List ----------------------- Over the last couple of days, we've seen a considerable number of postings to the list complaining about AUP breaches. I don't mind people emailing me directly, and I certainly don't mind people emailing the senders of such email directly either, but please don't send this sort of thing to the list. It does not seem to influence people who are being intentionally silly, but does swell the volume of non-operational postings. Moderation ---------- There have been a number of quite understandable suggestions of late that the list should become moderated, if only for a time. I remain unwilling to do this. This is partly to ensure that relevant operational material can be disseminated quickly. It is also because it doesn't look to me possible to square moderation in any circumstances with continuing denial that the administrator is responsible for the content of the list or its archive. Administration Head Count ------------------------- The existing process for dealing with idiocy in varying degrees relies on the issuing of warnings. Faster issuing of warnings would result in faster unsubscription of the determinedly anti-social. One way to achieve that would be to move from having a single list administrator to having more than one. Which raises the twin questions of whether there'd be any volunteers for such a role, and "In whom do the people trust?" - Donald Neal List Administrator -- Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Peer moderation
by Michael Hallager 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

Hello all, I do not trust peer moderation or a pair review process to get on this list. There is currently a issue going on between two respectable ISP's that has culminated in mail blocking - A sad state of affiars for the NZ Internet as I thought we got over this nonsense last century. (Remember Voyager vs. Xtra?). I will not name these two ISPs at this point as I respect them both and I believe that my mail is able to get through although I havn't checked. To the two ISP's involved I say - You have both been around for long enough and you are both of a big enough size to sort this out in an amicable fastion and set a good example for newer and/or smaller players. I suggest that your relevant management peoples gets together and sorts the issues out. (That is, if you havn't already). I do not run an ISP (Although I work part time for one in a technical role). I run a business selling used high end networking equipment and setting up Linux systems. I am a one man band here trying to make an honest living. As I have the skills and inclination, I run all my own servers (Mail, web etc). My network is used purely by myself and I have *never* caused anyone any trouble or had any complaints about how my system is operated. Yet, despite being an innocent third party, I am caught out by what is going on higher up in the scheme of things. C'mon you two, what is the use of a knowledge economy, internet yada yada etc, if this sort of games are still going on? No wonder ISP's have the reputation of used car dealers. (Many of whom have actually cleaned up their act now). No wonder there is call for ISP's to be "licensed". http://computerworld.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/DF3A054F76F9698ECC256CE10008E9D… Best regards to all, Michael Hallager Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited Networkstuff Limited

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Re: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Ewen McNeill 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

In message <20030328020710.GH10265(a)citylink.co.nz>, Simon Blake writes: >On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:31:53PM +1200, Donald Neal said: >> The existing process for dealing with idiocy in varying degrees relies >> on the issuing of warnings. [....] One achieve that would be to move >> from having a single list administrator to having more than one. [...] > >Rather than moderate the content, why not just close list membership? >[delete all; add only "genuine NZ network operators"] I'm not sure if I officially get a say (I probably don't count technically count as a "genuine NZ network operator"), but I've been around the 'net a fair while now, and I'm opinionated, so I'm going to have one anyway. Some points in vague order: - I know of a bunch of people who are not technically "genuine NZ network operators" who benefit from reading the list (and more have posted in this thread) -- "up and coming" people, people loosely related to network operation who wish to stay "in touch" with what is going on (I'm probably most accurately in that category), etc. - For the most part those people get the benefit from reading, rather than posting to the list; "read only" access might well be sufficient 99% of the time for them. - Following a list (in "real time") by reading archives on the Interweb sucks. Screen scraping off the archives of a mailing list that are on a web page into email again to make it easier to follow is rather baroque. (But better than trying to follow discussions in real time on the Interweb; seems 20 years of UI discoveries got thrown out when the WWW got invented....) - People who "listen but don't talk" don't create much of a disturbance to the list operation. There aren't really (m)any secrets where public knowledge in "real time" would be an issue. - So if there needs to be moderation (note: I've not yet expressed a view), then it need only be on the posting side. "Read only" subscriptions could be left open to "those who can understand the content" or similar with no obvious downside. - Moderation of all postings is very disruptive to discussion particularly of things happening in real time (not to mention a high load on the moderator(s)) - Therefore it is probably desirable that as few postings as possible be moderated, without allowing the list to be flooded with large volumes of off topic stuff. - The set of people who post (on topic) often is relatively small, and relatively static, and could probably be maintained by hand by a small (eg, one person) team of moderators. - So if there is to be moderation (note: still not expressing a view) a potentially more workable solution is not to moderate who can join the list read-only; just to moderate who can post, and "hand moderate" the remaining posts. People posting a few good posts would be added to the "can post without additional moderation" list. Over a short period of time (especially with pre-seeding) those posting "on topic" messages would get put on the "can post without additional moderation" list, and that list would be fairly static. This should be relatively non-intrustrive, and relatively non-demanding on moderator time. This basically boils down to Simon (Blake)'s proposal, but with the restriction being on "posting access" only. The only real catch is "when good posters go bad", which could perhaps be dealt with in the same way as now (but with the implicit addition that their newly invented addresses would not immediately gain posting access). As to the original question: - I lean towards the point of view that this has basically been a one-shot deal and going closed-list/all-moderated/etc over it is probably an over-reaction. If people would stop feeding the trolls (even off list) then it'll probably all die a natural death. - As such I'm not particularly in favour of moderation. - With a little arm twisting I would be willing to be one of a team of moderators for the list (on a "if it needs to be done, and no one else is doing it" basis). I could recite a list of reasons why I'm qualified, but what it boils down to is that I've been about the NZ Internet for quite a while, seen my share of flame wars, etc, but don't work at any network operators so would hopefully be seen as neutral. (As I said above, I'd rather it wasn't moderated. But if it is, I'm willing to help out if necessary) Ewen

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Re: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Jamie Baddeley 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

for what it's worth I agree with this. alternatively don't accept list members that have disposable email addresses (hotmail.com, email.com, msn.com, yahoo.co.nz etc etc), or a perverse fascination with bonzai buddy ;-) jamie >>> Simon Blake <simon(a)citylink.co.nz> 03/28 2:07 PM >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:31:53PM +1200, Donald Neal said: > The existing process for dealing with idiocy in varying degrees relies > on the issuing of warnings. Faster issuing of warnings would result in > faster unsubscription of the determinedly anti-social. One way to > achieve that would be to move from having a single list administrator > to having more than one. Which raises the twin questions of whether > there'd be any volunteers for such a role, and "In whom do the people > trust?" Rather than moderate the content, why not just close list membership? Delete everybody off the list, add back on the people you know are genuine NZ network operators, and set the list up so that requests to join get sent to some group of moderators (or to the list). Then, vett new requests to join through the current members. Leave the web pages and archives public, so that the world can still read about what we're up to. Yes, it's cliquey, yes, it's elitist, but well, who cares. It's the Network Operators Group - we need to get it a back on topic PDQ, otherwise it'll cease to have any relevancy to the community it seeks to serve, and it'll get replaced with something else (that probably will have a closed membership). Cheers Si > - Donald Neal > List Administrator > > -- > Donald Neal | piano - a musical > Technical Specialist | shipping line. > Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] > Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read > it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not > copy or use any part of this communication or disclose > anything about it. Thank you." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Zanetti David 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] wrote: > I'm a great believer in leaving things alone. Currently we have a > large number of people on the list who aren't exactly "network > operators" . The vast majority of these people are no problem and > don't even post. Some of them will post sometimes when something > in their area comes up. I tend to support this view. I'm sure I don't qualify as a "network operator" by implying a definition from people's posts, but I don't believe I've been seeding the list with problems, and one or two trouble makers just need to be dealt with and we move on. Ironically I suspect more traffic will be created by debating this than was created by the orignal outburst or the last six months.. IMO. :) -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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Re: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Michael Hallager 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:17, Juha Saarinen wrote: [SNIP] > I think you're probably asking a lot of Donald there. So he's to work out > a definition of what exactly constitutes a NZ network operator (ie. > network operators from other countries are banned) and then verify who > exactly fits the definition. How would he do that? I quite agree. There are many networks in NZ and many operators. Would op's of internet connected companies qualify or just op's of ISP's? Would VISP's qualify? Alot of them don't know very much about operating an Internet network, which is why they are "VISP's", and yet they should still be welcome here and be able to contribute. > Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not how NANOG operates. If they > can handle the occasional outburst of off-topic messages, and I'm sure > they get more of that on NANOG than on NZNOG, then the participants on > this list are probably able to do so as well. I say that this is a knee-jerk reaction to some of Sahil's friends causing trouble. I vote that we ignore them and continue on as per usual. > Closing NZNOG would set a bad example, IMO. There is enough "clubs" and "secret societies" in the world without closing NZNOG based on the whims and ideals of a few. The Internet is meant to be a tool of democracy and an open one at that. Lets keep it that way. How can we criticise [The NZ closed club of the Internet] if we go and do the same? Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) LImited Networkstuff Limited -------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Ian Quinn 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

> Note that I'm basically discussing "rights to post" here. I'm not >From vague memory, nanog had two levels of subscription (read only, and read/post). Maybe the same thing could be done here. Then if they abuse it, shift people off the read/post list more aggressively than currently is the case. They don't lose the ability to hear what's going on. Regards / Ian -----Original Message----- From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:03 PM To: Michael Hallager Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Moderation etc. On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 02:32:40PM +1200, Michael Hallager said: > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:17, Juha Saarinen wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > I think you're probably asking a lot of Donald there. So he's to work out > > a definition of what exactly constitutes a NZ network operator (ie. > > network operators from other countries are banned) and then verify who > > exactly fits the definition. How would he do that? > > I quite agree. There are many networks in NZ and many operators. > Would op's of internet connected companies qualify or just op's of ISP's? > Would VISP's qualify? Alot of them don't know very much about > operating an Internet network, which is why they are "VISP's", and yet > they should still be welcome here and be able to contribute. Trial by a jury of your peers. If the members of the list know you as an operator, you get on. If they don't, you don't. There doesn't need to be any formal defn of what constitutes an operator, merely that the current members are happy for you to be on the list. In practice, I imagine this would become "unless you're a really annoying piece of work, and somebody complains vociferously about your request to join, you'll get on". Note that I'm basically discussing "rights to post" here. I'm not suggesting that the archives shouldn't be public, and if there was a way to allow Joe Random Public to join readonly without a vetting process, then that's all good as well. > > Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not how NANOG operates. If they > > can handle the occasional outburst of off-topic messages, and I'm sure > > they get more of that on NANOG than on NZNOG, then the participants on > > this list are probably able to do so as well. > > I say that this is a knee-jerk reaction to some of Sahil's friends causing > trouble. I vote that we ignore them and continue on as per usual. It's been a thought that's occurred to me and others every so often during at least the last four years. We could ignore them, or we could try and fix NZNOG to be a better thing, coz at the moment it's broken, teenagers or no. > > Closing NZNOG would set a bad example, IMO. > > There is enough "clubs" and "secret societies" in the world without closing > NZNOG based on the whims and ideals of a few. So, there are lots of closed lists, so we shouldn't tidy our one? > The Internet is meant to be a tool of democracy and an open one at that. The Internet isn't *meant* to be anything. It just is. I don't believe that the orginal creators of the 'net had anything to say about its democratic value. I'm prepared to stand corrected, of course. There are costs and barriers you must overcome to become a network operator. Why shouldn't there be a small barrier to you participating in a network operators list? > Lets keep it that way. Sounds like an arguement for untrammelled access to your mailbox by spammers to me. > How can we criticise [The NZ closed club of the Internet] if we go and do > the same? I didn't realise that criticism of the "The NZ closed club of the Internet" was part of NZNOG's role. Maybe that should be put on the list info pages :-). Cheers Si _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Heads up: 167.179.0.0/16 seems to be hijacked
by Juha Saarinen 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Allocated to Tower Group, but advertised by someone in Florida. http://openrbl.org/ip/167/179/4/67.htm http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2425 http://spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL7859 Contains "interesting" domains like: m67.affordable-shopping.com [167.179.4.67] m116.your-products.net [167.179.1.116] m88.super-shops.net[167.179.3.88] m73.discount-shops.net[167.179.2.73] mx175.optin-america.com[196.4.167.179] It was used internally at Tower, but not advertised to the rest of the world, so it was easy prey apparently. Is this a common occurence on the Interweb? -- Juha Saarinen

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Price of APNIC /16 allocation?
by Juha Saarinen 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Could someone please give me a rough idea how much a /16 from APNIC would cost? -- Juha Saarinen

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RE: List of Admins.
by Xtra Security Team 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Hi All, The offender has been removed from the Xtra Network. Regards Xtra Security and Abuse Team Support : http://xtra.co.nz/security ******************************************** This email is for the person(s) identified above, and is confidential to the sender and the person(s). No one else is authorised to use or disseminate this email or its contents. The email or its contents do not necessarily represent the views of Xtra Limited or Telecom. ********************************************

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Re: [nznog] List of Admins.
by Craig Spiers 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

at least someone has their head screwed on straight this morning! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Whitmore" <lennon(a)orcon.net.nz> To: "Craig Spiers" <craig(a)concept.net.nz> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [nznog] List of Admins. > I've already complained to abuse(a)xtra >

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None
by craig＠concept.net.nz 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Im a fuckwit

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RE: [nznog] List of Admins.
by phuct up 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

I no like listen you, undastan? You are fucky me upy and I will resign upy Undastan? -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 8:48 a.m. To: phuct_up(a)msn.com Subject: FW: [nznog] List of Admins. You appear to have made a number of postings to the NZNOG list yesterday without operational content and failing to show appropriate respect for other subscribers. This is a second warning as outlined in paragraph 10 of the AUP. Please immediately change the volume and nature of your postings to the list. Donald Neal Mailing List Administrator Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct up [mailto:phuct up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 22:48 > To: 'Matthew G Brown' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > > I leave you alone if you no post no more message, undastan? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:47 p.m. > To: 'phuct up' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > Leave me alone. I have networks to run. I am finished with my NET4U > posts. > > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct up [mailto:phuct up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:42 PM > To: 'Matthew G Brown' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > > Im osama. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:40 p.m. > To: 'phuct up' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > And you would be ?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct up [mailto:phuct up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:34 PM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > Importance: High > > > I thought I tell you no post, okay? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:36 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] List of Admins. > > What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone > maintaining an up to date page recently ? > > {sorry "osama"} > > Best Regards > > Matthew G Brown > Chief Executive > B & R Holdings LIMITED > Information Technology Holdings Company > http://www.brh.co.nz > > > > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------

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Notice of Unsubscription - Updated
by Donald Neal 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

NZNOG People, As you will no doubt be aware, paragraph ten of this list's Acceptable Use Policy reads: 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. I have this morning unsubscribed the following addresses: mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz phuct up(a)msn.com - Donald Neal List Administrator Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Nog list
by Tim John 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Donald, <> I have this morning unsubscribed the address mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz. This is the first time in [counts on fingers] around seven years of this list's operation that this has been done. I'm disappointed that it was necessary. </> I understand your concerns, but how can it be disappointing to take this action against someone who obviously shouldn't have been on this list in the first place !! Surely people having the email insignia of 'a' and 'phuct up' are a dead giveaway of the type of people we DON'T want on the NOG. I think this thread in some aspects has expired and I have started using my trusty old "Delete" key to simply remove certain messages before reading them, particularly those from the two address mentioned above. I suggest the _real_ subscribers of this list follow suit and take the attitude that 'ignore them and they will go away'. I'm sure it's only fun for these guys if they get a response. My 2c Tim DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you.

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Notice of Unsubscription
by Donald Neal 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

NZNOG People, As you will no doubt be aware, paragraph ten of this list's Acceptable Use Policy reads: 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. I have this morning unsubscribed the address mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz. This is the first time in [counts on fingers] around seven years of this list's operation that this has been done. I'm disappointed that it was necessary. - Donald Neal List Administrator Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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ASN allocation update
by Rob Thomas 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have read this post in other fora. ] As of 24 March 2003 IANA has allocated a new block of ASN's to ARIN. The ASN range changes are: Was 29696 - 32767 Held by the IANA Now 29696 - 30719 Allocated by ARIN (March 2003) Now 30720 - 32767 Held by the IANA The bogus ASN monitoring has been updated to reflect this change. You should update any filters you have. The bogus ASN report, which shows ASN's leaking private, unallocated, and reserved ASN's, is located here: <http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html> I now return you to your previously scheduled Net4U thread. ;) Thanks, Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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RE: [nznog] List of Admins.
by phuct up 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Hey no talk me like that or I no like you anymore do u undastan! -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)comsolve.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:52 p.m. To: phuct up Cc: matt(a)brh.co.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] List of Admins. Grow up. Matthew is someone who contributes to Nznog regually and we all know who he is. You are some smart arse little twat running from a @msn address. Chances are you are not a network admin, so what the hell are you doing on this list anyway? Grow up or go away. Michael Hallager > I thought I tell you no post, okay? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:36 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] List of Admins. > > What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone > maintaining an up to date page recently ? > > {sorry "osama"} > > Best Regards > > Matthew G Brown > Chief Executive > B & R Holdings LIMITED > Information Technology Holdings Company > http://www.brh.co.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] List of Admins.
by phuct up 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I leave you alone if you no post no more message, undastan? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:47 p.m. To: 'phuct up' Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. Leave me alone. I have networks to run. I am finished with my NET4U posts. -----Original Message----- From: phuct up [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:42 PM To: 'Matthew G Brown' Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. Im osama. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:40 p.m. To: 'phuct up' Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. And you would be ?? -----Original Message----- From: phuct up [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:34 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. Importance: High I thought I tell you no post, okay? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:36 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] List of Admins. What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone maintaining an up to date page recently ? {sorry "osama"} Best Regards Matthew G Brown Chief Executive B & R Holdings LIMITED Information Technology Holdings Company http://www.brh.co.nz _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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List of Admins.
by Matthew G Brown 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone maintaining an up to date page recently ? {sorry "osama"} Best Regards Matthew G Brown Chief Executive B & R Holdings LIMITED Information Technology Holdings Company http://www.brh.co.nz

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Net4u
by Timothy Law 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I wonder if this was really Sahil or someone hacked his account Headers are as follows Return-Path: <nobody(a)sahil.net.nz> Received: from vscan.satlan.com (vscan.satlan.com [202.27.218.3]) by mailhost.satlan.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h2R2Obvx024195 for <tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:41 +1200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vscan.satlan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58900502B7 for <Tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:35 +1200 (NZST) Received: from sahil.net.nz (web.net4u.co.nz [210.55.10.6]) by vscan.satlan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363E7500FB for <Tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:23 +1200 (NZST) Received: from sahil.net.nz (www [127.0.0.1]) by sahil.net.nz (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h2R1p1oL028829 for <Tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:51:01 +1200 Received: (from nobody(a)localhost) by sahil.net.nz (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id h2R1p18W028827; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:51:01 +1200 Message-Id: <200303270151.h2R1p18W028827(a)sahil.net.nz> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:51:01 From: CURRYMAN 2003 NZ <sahil(a)net4u.co.nz> To: <Tim(a)satlan.com> Reply-To: CURRYMAN 2003 NZ <sahil(a)net4u.co.nz> Subject: Hi X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UIDL: 8(a)1"!)gM"!be!"!FF4"! -----Original Message----- From: CURRYMAN 2003 NZ [mailto:sahil(a)net4u.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 1:51 p.m. To: Tim(a)satlan.com Subject: Hi I would like to touch your penis, lets meet for curry _____________________________________________________________________ This mail was sent using Net4U's WebMail System - webmail.net4u.co.nz

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Sad News
by Mark Foster 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I'm suprised it hasnt been crossposted here yet, so if you already know about this my apologies. http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/2003/03/0681.html Mark.

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Re: [nznog] OT: Re: NET4U staff
by Robert McDonald 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

The fact that you* may be young doesn't excuse childish behaviour. Think before putting fingers to keys please. *Bites tounge and says nothing accept*, "i third this". Take it elsewhere. Enough's enough. Thanks, Rob (List co-ordinators, maybe moderated list would be appropriate for a few days) [*] - The collective "Key mashers" On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:01, Nathan Ward wrote: > <quote> > Could this list possibly be made moderated for a week or so, or have > people posting drivel removed from it? (After suitable warnings, etc). > > I am happy to read about Net4U's antics as they are amusing and at least > partially relevant, but I can do without the frantic keyboard-mashings of > inept scriptweenies and all the other quasi-illiterate snot that's been > on here today. > </quote> > > I second that. Move along. > > Nathan Ward > > a wrote: > >Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but apparantly he > >also uses other's credit cards to purchase goods and > >services, and I have received proof which indicates > >that is the case. > > > >http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > >- Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > >_______________________________________________ > >Nznog mailing list > >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net

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Fwd: Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

>From net4u.co.nz: "DUE TO THE RECENT ARTICLE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE NEW ZEALAND HERALD DATED: 25/03/2003 NET4U LIMITED HAVE OPTED TO CONTRACT AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY (SIGEL DATA SYSTEMS LTD) TO AUDIT AND OVERSEE THE OPERATION OF NET4U LIMITED SYSTEMS AND NETWORK FOR A PERIOD OF THREE MONTHS, DURING WHICH SIGEL DATA SYSTEMS LIMITED WILL REPORT ON THE LEGITIMACY OF THE ISP OPERATION. THESE REPORTS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC VIA THE NET4U LIMITED WEBSITE, BUT WILL NOT DISCLOSE ANY SENSITIVE INFORMATION THAT WOULD POSE A THREAT TO THE SECURITY OF THE ISP." Sigel is a current customer of Net4u and the owner is a personal and close friend of Sahil Gupt and previously was a customer of neuron, a virtual ISP under net4u. This causes certain conflicts of interest. Also the fact that net4u will be releasing the documents themselves, also shows that they may not be originals if in fact the audit is worth the paper it is printed on, but considering the above highlighted conflict of interest, I doubt it very much. http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Michael Hallager 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

> Sahil, > > I have the following questions that I want answered in public: > > 1) It is ON TAPE that you stole bandwidth from Callplus. Do you think that > we are stupid enough to believe that you can steal bandwidth and nothing > else? > > 2) Why have you put up on your website a statment that you have employed > a technical company to oversee the operation of your ISP when *you* > knowingly did what you did? Are you trying to fool us and your clients into > believing that it was an accident? > Do you think that this is a technical issue (As you seem to be trying to > make out) or one of honesty? > > 3) Why is that you feel that you "should be out of business" if you misused > credit cards (Alledged) but that you should be treated differently for what > you did to Callplus? (Established). > > 4) Why did you never heed one word of the many lectures that I gave > you, at the time when I was prepared to speak to you, on the very subject > of honesty? > > Michael Hallager > > > --- Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED <sgupta(a)net4u.co.nz> > > wrote: > The company has NEVER done this and I can > > give this > > > > > is writing that I have > > > NEVER gone out shopping with ANY of our customers > > > Credit Card Details. > > > > > > You would hope, if anybody at the company was doing > > > such a thing that we > > > would have been out of business right after we > > > started climbing up the > > > ladder. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sahil Gupta > > > Senior Account Manager > > > NET4U LIMITED > > > > > > Phone: 0508-263-848 > > > Fax: 07-8582659 > > > Mobile: 029-366-6375 > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] a wrote: > > > > Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but > > > > > > apparantly he > > > > > > > also uses other's credit cards to purchase goods > > > > > > and > > > > > > > services, and I have received proof which > > > > > > indicates > > > > > > > that is the case. > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your > > > > > > Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Nznog mailing list > > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

So you do not deny using credit cards to receive goods and services which you do not have authorisation to use? --- Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED <sgupta(a)net4u.co.nz> wrote: > Talk to me off-list, telling me what we have done. > I'm interested in > finding out. > > Regards, > > Sahil Gupta > Senior Account Manager > NET4U LIMITED > > Phone: 0508-263-848 > Fax: 07-8582659 > Mobile: 029-366-6375 > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] a wrote: > > > Yes, I know you have NEVER done it with customer > > credit card numbers, but how about with credit > cards > > full stop, whether or not they are your customers > > numbers does not matter. So have you ever used > card > > numbers of noncustomers/customers/anyone? Please > dont > > try that again, changing one word, if you are > going to > > respond, respond to my statements, not a sightly > > altered statement eg not customers cards, instead > of > > no I havent used credit cards which I have not > been > > authorised to use. > > > > --- Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED > <sgupta(a)net4u.co.nz> > > wrote: > The company has NEVER done this and I can > > give this > > > is writing that I have > > > NEVER gone out shopping with ANY of our > customers > > > Credit Card Details. > > > > > > You would hope, if anybody at the company was > doing > > > such a thing that we > > > would have been out of business right after we > > > started climbing up the > > > ladder. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sahil Gupta > > > Senior Account Manager > > > NET4U LIMITED > > > > > > Phone: 0508-263-848 > > > Fax: 07-8582659 > > > Mobile: 029-366-6375 > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] a wrote: > > > > > > > Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but > > > apparantly he > > > > also uses other's credit cards to purchase > goods > > > and > > > > services, and I have received proof which > > > indicates > > > > that is the case. > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your > > > Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Nznog mailing list > > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your > Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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NET4U staff
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but apparantly he also uses other's credit cards to purchase goods and services, and I have received proof which indicates that is the case. http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Donald Neal 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

The standard of behaviour on this list does seem to have slipped in the last few hours. I've just sent a copy of the AUP to the list - clearly I need to get back to doing that regularly. And now it's the long trawl through the postings to see to whom warnings need to go ... - Donald Neal Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bordignon [mailto:michael.b(a)infometrics.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:03 > To: 'a'; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > could these users not be unsubscribed? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fw: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Craig Spiers 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

I'd just like to mention that this guy who spammed the mailing list with net4u's customers left himself open to a slap in the face.. Could someone from the associated isp, have some words with him please? Received: from [219.88.208.246] by web13115.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:01:15 NZST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "a" <mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:01 PM > Subject: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > these people like to take net4u staff up the ... > > > > www.quarrypark.org.nz > > www.wlug.org.nz > > www.msianet.co.nz > > www.hotshot.co.nz > > www.ethernal.org > > www.neuron.net.nz > > www.cis.net.nz > > netplanet.co.nz > > www.irisdesign.co.nz > > king.net.nz > > cosnet.co.nz > > walkerwireless.co.nz > > hostingservers.co.nz > > castle.net.nz > > nox.co.nz > > scarfies.co.nz > > se7en.co.nz > > digitalsouth.net > > outervoid.net > > clawshrimp.com > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > >

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nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

seemingly craig is Sahil's bumboy, in more ways than one maybe http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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NET4U staff
by Craig Spiers 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

but the fact you 'did it' can have you arrested. if you murder someone, your not let off the hook just because you say your not going to do it again, idiot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:19 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > > > No actually, thats not the case. > > I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police > > station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. > > > > The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing > > it all. > > > > Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for > > him. > > > > --------------------------- > > You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud > > you thought you'd better keep a low profile. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > > > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after > > thinking > > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > >

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. NZNOG held a face to face gathering as part of the UniForum NZ conference in 2002, and is to do the same again from 10-12 July this year. It doesn't hold other national face to face meetings, but see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 450 addresses subscribed, increasing by around ten a month at present. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins -- Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Robert McDonald 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:05, rye a wrote: > a staff member from net4u was bragging on irc the > other day about the jetstream bandwidth issue. what > they are doing is authenticating jetstream starter > users (fastip) as jetstream users (fastipdirect). I > think this is most likely a screwup on telecom/net4u's > behalf.. perhaps their account manager set it up this > way for a reason? perhaps net4u ask for jetstream > ports instead of jetstream starter? > > either way guys, word of advice.. if your ripping > people off.. dont go bragging about it on irc. I > believe the staff member in question was only 14 years > old. What possible use could he have been? He was also > in the news recently, related to the captain bob spam > fiasco.. Seems either the herald is reporting on a lot more geeky stuff. Or People are just becomeing stupid / dishonest. Im mean that seriously. If i was in the position to be working at an ISP (even if it *was* net4u, which i dont have a very high opinion of right now) I wouldn't do anything to put that at risk. I doubt the people responsible for that will be employed in (big) IT again. Sahil is only a year older than me. Really i think that gives young geeks a bad name. And how this got turned into talk of ^god and co. and their spamming antics is beyond me. It has on relevence at all to nznog, take it to #lusers or something. But it did give me a good laugh. :) Cheers, Rob EOFF > cheers > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net

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Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal directly with me." Why should I do what he says? by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. -------------------------------------------- Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. Liz On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: Hi, I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. thanks, Will To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding a 'meeting'. Bring your weapons. Venue: Room 3, Level 1 467 Victoria Street Hamilton CBD Hamilton New Zealand Time: 4:30pm Be there, or miss out. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ________________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > ---- > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Pot and Kettle
by Michael Hallager 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Craig Speirs shouldn't be talking. He recently sent me a very rude email in relation to my post about ISDN on NZNOG. (Most likely encouraged by Sahil). This very email came from Sahil's network. Craig's name features on www.sahil.net.nz Enough said. Michael Hallager

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Michael Bordignon 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

could these users not be unsubscribed? > -----Original Message----- > From: a [mailto:mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 3:01 PM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > these people like to take net4u staff up the ...

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Sure, if thats what you really want. But hey, I am a kid, and kids do things like that, stealing a couple of credit cards and buying a couple of domains (valued at about $100 or so), which will probably be charged back to the card anyway, is alot better than going into a school, killing everyone, stealing all their money, going out and buying bombs and drugs, isnt it? :) --------------------------------------------------- >From the Herald article: "But spamming is just one of ^god's pastimes. He also dabbles in online credit card fraud. He claims to have purchased everything from domain names to computer gadgets using stolen credit card numbers at online merchants. " Right, now go up to the police station front desk and tell them that. -----Original Message----- From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:20 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff No actually, thats not the case. I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing it all. Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for him. --------------------------- You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud you thought you'd better keep a low profile. -----Original Message----- From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

No actually, thats not the case. I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing it all. Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for him. --------------------------- You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud you thought you'd better keep a low profile. -----Original Message----- From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: NET4U staff
by Pipes 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

1) Give the kid some credit, he at least is trying to admit he was wrong. 2) You think messages like this have ANYTHING to do with nznog? 3) Many people on this list have been busted for doing 'bad bad' things. they still have jobs in the industry. 4) Grow up. 5) take all this to IRC already. I think it was said best ealier today... "There are some quite smart people in that age group, Unfortunately they often are a little miss guided , with the right guidance they can become a very good company asset." > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Spiers [mailto:craig(a)concept.net.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:13 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > I dont think you will ever get a job in this industry.. ANGRY NOC ADMIN's > UNITE!@#! I can hear the chuckles now. > > Your wee'wee is small. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:09 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > >> heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking >> carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. >> >> I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal > directly >> with me." >> >> Why should I do what he says? >> >> by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. >> -------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the >> person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? >> A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just >> turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. >> >> Liz >> >> On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a >> phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. >> >> Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being >> involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I >> think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. >> >> thanks, >> Will >> >> >> >> To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding >> a 'meeting'. >> Bring your weapons. >> Venue: >> Room 3, Level 1 >> 467 Victoria Street >> Hamilton CBD >> Hamilton >> New Zealand >> Time: 4:30pm >> Be there, or miss out.

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Pretty easy $$$ though, but like I said, I stopped it :) i guess this is a "formal apology" for spamming? :P ---------------- I take back what i said about the Not hating you. I hate spammers! Liz :D On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 14:19, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: > > No actually, thats not the case. > I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police > station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. > > The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing > it all. > > Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for > him. > > --------------------------- > You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud > you thought you'd better keep a low profile. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after > thinking > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

"im going to come over there and smash your head in with a tyre iron" sounds familiar to the person you were making the threats to. And he does have logs :) not that hes going to do anything about it, of course, becuase some people might take you seriously, huh? ---------------------------------- maaaayeeeeeteeee.. all for one, one for all.. give it up will ya. i dont recall threatening anyone.. and if i were to do such a thing, no one but the person im threatening would have any evidence of it. > yeah sure craig, good friends with sahil, who also threatened to "bash" > Captian Bob. How rude of you! :) > > > I dont think you will ever get a job in this industry.. ANGRY NOC ADMIN's > UNITE!@#! I can hear the chuckles now. > > Your wee'wee is small. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:09 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking > > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > > > I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal > directly > > with me." > > > > Why should I do what he says? > > > > by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the > > person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? > > A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just > > turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. > > > > Liz > > > > On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a > > phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. > > > > Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being > > involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I > > think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. > > > > thanks, > > Will > > > > > > > > To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding > > a 'meeting'. > > Bring your weapons. > > Venue: > > Room 3, Level 1 > > 467 Victoria Street > > Hamilton CBD > > Hamilton > > New Zealand > > Time: 4:30pm > > Be there, or miss out. > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > > ---- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nznog mailing list > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

yeah sure craig, good friends with sahil, who also threatened to "bash" Captian Bob. How rude of you! :) I dont think you will ever get a job in this industry.. ANGRY NOC ADMIN's UNITE!@#! I can hear the chuckles now. Your wee'wee is small. ----- Original Message ----- From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal directly > with me." > > Why should I do what he says? > > by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. > -------------------------------------------- > > > Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the > person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? > A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just > turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. > > Liz > > On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a > phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. > > Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being > involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I > think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. > > thanks, > Will > > > > To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding > a 'meeting'. > Bring your weapons. > Venue: > Room 3, Level 1 > 467 Victoria Street > Hamilton CBD > Hamilton > New Zealand > Time: 4:30pm > Be there, or miss out. > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > ________________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > ---- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

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RE: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Michael Bordignon 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

any proxy is capable of proxying SMTP/IRC/anything via HTTP CONNECT, isn't it? > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Haakma [mailto:richard(a)kcbbs.gen.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 9:55 AM > To: Juha Saarinen; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc. > > Hello. > > It may have been an open web proxy only, not capable of abusing > SMTP or IRC. > > Regards, > RH.

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RE: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Hi I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. thanks, Will _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by rye a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Ha, i wish i did. I regret not keeping one now, had i known this all would have led to a herald artical, and a post to nznog, i would have made sure i logged it. Didnt think too much of it at the time figured they were just idiots bragging about bullshit.. The only problem, there's no course of justice for this kind of thing is there? net4u will get away scott free? --- Matthew Luckie <mjl(a)luckie.org.nz> wrote: > > either way guys, word of advice.. if your ripping > > people off.. dont go bragging about it on irc. I > > do you have a log you can post to nznog? sounds > very interesting (and on > topic). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

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Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Liz Quilty 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

I worked for Sahil when he first started out. I left within 6 months because he didnt know anything about what the hell he was doing and kept fucking things up majorly. He was 15 at the time. I know of several other 'employees' whom did work and also did not get paid. His servers were rediculasly insecure and badley configured most of the time and he often made friends of other ISP's and tried getting customer databases. He would intentionally poach Users. Good that it has cought up with him ;] Liz

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Re: Welcome to the "Nznog" mailing list
by Ste Taylor 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

the real url for the mp3 is here, do not distribute the non-offical copy http://ruediger.koeln.ccc.de/nz/Sahil_Explaining_All.mp3 Thank you Mr Lucas http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by David Clarke 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

> It may have been an open web proxy only, not capable of > abusing SMTP or IRC. Quote from the Herald article: "He goes on to say that Net4U services, including his dial-up and server co-location customers, his "home link" and his "KaZaA" ... were all operated with stolen bandwidth for a "six-month" period." That reference to KaZaA would intimate that it wasn't merely web. Of course we possibly shouldn't believe the word of someone who'd stoop to stealing bandwidth. -- David Clarke Tech :wq #include <disclaimer.h>

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by rye a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

a staff member from net4u was bragging on irc the other day about the jetstream bandwidth issue. what they are doing is authenticating jetstream starter users (fastip) as jetstream users (fastipdirect). I think this is most likely a screwup on telecom/net4u's behalf.. perhaps their account manager set it up this way for a reason? perhaps net4u ask for jetstream ports instead of jetstream starter? either way guys, word of advice.. if your ripping people off.. dont go bragging about it on irc. I believe the staff member in question was only 14 years old. What possible use could he have been? He was also in the news recently, related to the captain bob spam fiasco.. cheers __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

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net4u staff spammer
by rye a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?thesection=technology&thesubsect… The latter of the guys mentioned in the above story i believe works at net4u. He is the helpdesk manager. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

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Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Simon Lyall 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Looks like the herald is breaking all the interesting stories lately: http://tinyurl.com/82j8 I can understand Callplus having problems since they have been struggling with inexperienced staff for a few months (although 6 months is before the most recent resignations) but I'm not sure how the Jetstream/Jetstart thing would have worked. I've yet to see Telecom lose money when people get Jetstream relms confused. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by rye a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Its still very shocking that ISP's in new zealand would do this to each other.. I understand its a very tight market.. but still.. Are other isp's doing similar things? ha, i doubt anyone would admit it.. but i'd assume so.. Lets have a nationwide net4u boycot! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Poole" <matt(a)p00le.net> To: "Craig Spiers" <craig(a)concept.net.nz> Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc. > > > yea, you can imagine how many spammers would have found that proxy, and used > > it.. surely someone at attica/callplus got notification that it was open.. > > > Not while I was there. I've been gone three-and-a-half months now, > so it's quite possible they got told since then. > > > Spammers find open proxy's in a matter of hours these days.. perhaps staff > > recieved the notifications, but didnt give a dam? > > > Or they weren't able to figure out what the warning meant and ignored > it? > An open proxy would definitely have been brought to my attention as > all security issues came across my desk, and I never saw any such > notification. > > Not to mention that someone would've bitched if we'd been > blacklisted and while that did happen it was by a couple of companies > as a serious over-reaction to dodgy activity by customers. > -- > Matthew Poole > Auckland, NZ > > http://www.p00le.net > > "Three pills a day keeps the voices at bay" > Matthew Poole > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

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Heads up for anyone using SpamCop
by Aaron Nielsen 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

One of InternetNZ's servers is currently listed in SpamCop. Looks like a server in the UK processed a couple of the DNC's emails sent out to registrants :0 Aaron

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RE: [nznog] "Captain Bob" and "^god"
by Stephen Andrew 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

----Original Message---- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 10:36 AM To: Simon Lyall; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] "Captain Bob" and "^god" [snip] > "The overheads are minimal. Captain Bob pays about $300 a month to > maintain his server. He runs a Jetstart account ($65) to connect to > his server which in turn connects to a high-capacity pipe out to the > web." > > Out to the Web? Not to mail servers? A lot of SPAM is now going through misconfigured proxy servers using the CONNECT method. Apparently open mail relays don't cut it any more. -- Andrew This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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"Captain Bob" and "^god"
by Juha Saarinen 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

http://tinyurl.com/7ut8 So that's what kids use their Jetstart connections for... ? -- Juha Saarinen

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"Captain Bob" and "^god"
by Liz Quilty 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

Do something like mac addresses? so you can identify a computer rather than the person? make them log into a wan or something even? Liz Sure, that'd be a great method - wouldn't stop them completely though as they could always establish a new account under a false or someone elses name. Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McDonald" <rob(a)nzpages.net> To: "Eon" <Eon(a)sli.net.nz>; "Stephen Judd" <nznog(a)vital.org.nz> Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [nznog] "Captain Bob" and "^god" IANAL (uses new catch phrase) Why not supply ALL the customers details (or as much as known) in a (forced to lower case) MD5SUM. Generaly they would not use the same username. If the telcos suplying DSL/other would take advice from the ISPs that the particular user was troublesome or breached a commonly agreed to T&C they would get their delivery method (what ever it may be) terminated. Having for instance your DSL line choped of, even for a month or two, would have a huge impact. IMHO, Rob On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:38, Eon wrote: > Why not MD5SUM the name of the user? Provide that to a list and any users > with the same MD5 > are not given service? Protects the privacy of people and sticks it to > those that Spam. I may not be the > best of internet users but even I agreee that spamers need to be stopped. > > Eon. -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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key signing party at Uniforum
by Joe Abley 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

If I was to organise a PGP key signing party at the NZNOG/Uniforum meeting in July, would anybody here show up? Private replies welcome. Just trying to decide whether or not to bother trying :) [this is the kind of thing I am talking about: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0110/pgp.html http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg18089.html http://www.upenn.edu/computing/security/keyparty.html http://www.nluug.nl/events/sane98/keysigning-party.html in case the concept is not familiar]

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Heads up - LOTR STreaming Event
by Richard Naylor 17 Mar '03

17 Mar '03

CityLink is assisting with the streaming of a Video Conference between Richard Taylor (Weta FX) and a number of schools on Wednesday. The event co-ordinators (TKI) have emailed a number of schools and hence this heads up. There is the potential for a large number of unicast streams from WIX on Wednesday morning 12 March between 10am and 11am. Here is the publicity material from TKI for those interested. Kia ora koutou TKI invites you to join us for the live video conference featuring Richard Taylor - the Oscar-winning special effects expert from the Lord of the Rings. This Wednesday between 10 and 11am, selected KAWM and Otago Net schools will be participating in a video-conference based conversation with Richard. To watch the live simulcast, click on the link below: http://www.tki.org.nz/r/school_improvement/climate/intro_taylor_e.php -------------- ABOUT THE VIDEO CONFERENCE The schools involved in the Richard Taylor video conference are: Turakina Maori Girls' College (Marton) Rotorua Lakes High (Rotorua) John Paul College (Rotorua) Rotorua Girls High (Rotorua) Mount Aspiring College (Wanaka) Te Waha o Rerekohu Area School (Gisborne) Te Wharekura o Rakaumanga (Huntly) Te Kura Kaupapa Maori o Mana Tamariki (Palmerston North) Each of the schools will make a presentation to Richard on the theme "special effects". The students were guided by activities suggested in a teaching resource developed by the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa to complement The Lord of the Rings Motion Picture Trilogy - The Exhibition. ------------ ABOUT RICHARD TAYLOR Richard Taylor is the co-founder and director of Weta Workshop Ltd, the special effects company best known for its work on The Lord of the Rings film trilogy. Weta designed and produced all the weapons, armour, creatures, makeup, and miniature models for the film production.

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RE: [nznog] Netforum 2003 (and 2004??)
by Donald Neal 13 Mar '03

13 Mar '03

> From: Roger De Salis [mailto:roger(a)desalis.gen.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:10 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; members(a)uniforum.org.nz > Subject: [nznog] Netforum 2003 (and 2004??) > > > A quick update on the the conference this year... (mark your > diaries, get your management primed that you need to attend) > > When: [8?,9?]10/11/12 July, 2003 > Where: Waipuna Lodge, Mt Wellington, Auckland > Cost: NZ$695 for Three Days, discounts for early bird > registration, lesser for less time, extensive > student discounts...) <HEAD ABOVE PARAPET> Nobody's complained yet ... </HEAD ABOVE PARAPET> - Donald Neal > The lead international speakers who have accepted are:- > (and I have fully funded travel sponsorship for...) > > Evi Nemeth (ex University of Boulder Colorado, and ISC Director) > who has indicated she would like to talk about > "ISP measurement stuff regarding dns and the slow > and infinite denial of service attack that > bugs/ features/config-errors in microsoft > software are > doing to the root servers. - Plus other measurement stuff" > > Barry Raveendran Greene (Lead author of ISP practice manual > from Cisco) talking about advanced ISP tools and > techniques in use worldwide, current practices. > > Joe Abley (local boy made good) talking about Advanced mosquito > control in Canadian summers, and "what is it really like > to work for Paul Vixie...." ( I am certain he will > provide an alternative title to his talks..) > > I'm still looking for papers and interesting topics for discussion. > My plan is to make the conference so interesting to the ISP industry > that I can get 2Day.com to stump up for a bar contribution. > (Its a test....) > > The web-site and conference brochure will be out this week, and > I'll be forwarding a URL for a double sided Colour PDF for those > with colour printers, who need glossies to sell to management. > > =============================================================== > > 2004 Conference:- > > I do not mind whether we go to Waikato, or stay in Acukland > I have no problem with changes by popular demand. > I have provisional speaker acceptances for 2004 from > DJ Bernstein (thanks Simon for the excellent talks in 2002) > Jeff Doyle (Juniper Networks) > > Thanks for reading this far, more to follow. > > =================================================================== > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Why is PoB taking a dig at IANA?
by Andy Gardner 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

Why is PoB taking a dig at IANA? http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/workshop/cctld/cctld010.html -- Andrew P. Gardner Buffoons need love too.

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TelstraClear appear to have fallen off APE
by Richard Haakma 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

Hello. It appears to me that TelstraClear seems to have fallen off APE about 1:15 this morning and are still not there at 3:00. I can't ping the ip address 192.203.154.32 nor 192.203.154.33. Regards, RH.

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more on LOTR
by Richard Naylor 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

since someone just asked, last year the streams were in addition to the webcams. The webcams were averaging 500+ users all day and the streams carried a similar volume. overall we were shifting 130mbps. The video streams are NOT the webcams. They use mixers, cameras, lights etc like a tv production. The webcams are little things bolted to flimsy bits of buildings in high places. (why is it always like that?) rich

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Simon Byrnand 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

At 21:16 10/03/03 +1100, Nathan Mercer wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] >Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 11:10 p.m. >To: Nathan Mercer; Simon Byrnand; Craig Whitmore > >Nathan Mercer <nmercer(a)microsoft.com> wrote: > > Hi Guys > > > > Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. > > Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are > > your customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off > > another website or something? > > > > I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) > >$ dig search.msn.co.nz. a >;; ANSWER SECTION: >search.msn.co.nz. 3600 IN CNAME search.msn.ca. >search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.185.57 >search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.176.254 > >Yeah, no idea why its in aliased to .ca The MSN admin guy who replied >to me was from China, so go figure. It sounds like search.msn.co.nz >isn't being used by MSN any longer, and they can't figure out why users >are ending up there. They can't figure it out ? The "Search" button in the latest version of Internet Explorer (and probably older versions too) takes you there when you use "Find a Web Page". It also happens if you try to search from the address bar. (EG enter something that isn't a URL) Maybe their webdesigners should keep in touch with the IE development team ? :p Perhaps the Microsoft people that are trying to test the problem aren't in an area that gets redirected to "search.msn.co.nz". I'm not sure what method it uses to determine if you're in NZ, perhaps not everyone in NZ is considered to be "in NZ" by IE, and thus doesn't get directed to the NZ version of that page... (But browsing directly to the URL as Craig first indicated should be visible anywhere I would have thought...) Regards, Simon

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Time for a change...
by Dean Pemberton 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

Hi all. Remember a while ago I posted a message here, saying I wanted to return to Wellington? Well it all turned out for the best. As of yesterday afternoon I no longer work for Juniper Networks. And in mid April I'll be starting at a new job in Wellington. So just a quick FAQ Q: I have a cellphone number for you is it still going to work. A: Nope - all my Juniper goods were confiscated yesterday. I do have a prepay cellphone in Australia at the moment, but after next month that will be useless too. If you think you will need to contact me in that time period, then drop me an email asking for the number. Q: Who do I call at 3 in the morning to ask about Juniper questions? A: Well if you happen to work for the company that I've just joined, then probably still me =) If not, and it's still urgent, then support(a)juniper.net is your friend. *note* I do still answer questions for beer or curry, just not at 3am Q: When do you arrive? What are your plans? A: I fly in on the 11th of Apr to start work on the 14th. I have to find a place to live. Other than that, I plan to eat curry on a thursday as is written in the good book =) Q: What are you doing in the meantime A: Packing mostly. I also have a pilots test to sit if the weather ever clears up (and they fix the alternator in the plane) =) Q: Does this mean that I/We can collect on the beer that you owe Me/Us? A: Who are you? Crank caller! Crank caller! Q: Ok - fess up - who are you working for A: TelstraClear. So I'll be seeing all the Wellington people in April - I expect a big turnout at the first Curry =) Later Dean

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RE: [nznog] Re: ISP Regulation
by Frank March 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

I agree that NZNOG is not the right place to discuss these matters in depth. I will be posting a commentary (I dont think 'answer' is quite the right description) on Lin's points on the public-discuss(a)internetnz.net.nz tonight (I am sure others will do so as well) --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Lin Nah [mailto:lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2003 15:17 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: public-discuss(a)internetnz.net.nz Subject: [nznog] Re: ISP Regulation While nznog isn't the right forum for this discussion, I don't know what will be. InternetNZ does have a public discussion list. Would that be a good place for such discussions? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Nathan Mercer 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Thanks for the info, what OS are you running? IE6 on Windows XP doesn't seem to repro with the steps below, it goes to ie.search.msn.com Cheers Nathan -----Original Message----- From: Steve Winter [mailto:steve(a)roadshow.org] Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2003 12:35 a.m. To: Nathan Mercer; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Nathan, > Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. > Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are > your > customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off another > website or something? On the tool bar, between the home button and the favorites button is a search button...when you click on it a pane appears to the left of your browser window, in which you can allegedly search, it has the options 'find a web page', 'previous searches', 'find a map', and 'look up a word', then a dialog box in which you can 'find a web page containing' It is then proudly 'Brought to you by MSN'...when you hit search you get the wonderfully useful 'Sorry, the system is not working properly.' error... > I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) Well, I'm also using IE6 and it gives just the same results... :-( Cheers Steve

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Nathan Mercer 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Hi Guys Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are your customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off another website or something? I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) Thanks Nathan Microsoft NZ -----Original Message----- From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 4:53 p.m. To: Craig Whitmore At 16:48 10/03/03 +1300, Craig Whitmore wrote: >Just a heads up.... > >Over the last couple days we have had a large number of calls saying when >people are searching for stuff on the net they are seeing a message saying > >"Sorry, the system is not working properly." > >It took us a short while while to figure it out, but its coming from >Microsoft when you do a search from the search button in MSIE. >search.msn.co.nz is giving that error. > >search.msn.co.nz = search.msn.ca (For some reason). I've emailed a few >people at Microsoft, but if anyone is listening from Microsoft. I first noticed it on Friday morning, so its been broken for a while now. (I assumed it was one of those things that would be fixed in a few minutes and didn't check it again until now....) Not a particularly informative error message either... Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Nathan Mercer 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

-----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 11:10 p.m. To: Nathan Mercer; Simon Byrnand; Craig Whitmore Nathan Mercer <nmercer(a)microsoft.com> wrote: > Hi Guys > > Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. > Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are > your customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off > another website or something? > > I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) $ dig search.msn.co.nz. a ;; ANSWER SECTION: search.msn.co.nz. 3600 IN CNAME search.msn.ca. search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.185.57 search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.176.254 Yeah, no idea why its in aliased to .ca The MSN admin guy who replied to me was from China, so go figure. It sounds like search.msn.co.nz isn't being used by MSN any longer, and they can't figure out why users are ending up there.

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Packet loss with Xtra
by David Mill 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Hi, At the moment there seems to be severe packet loss when an Xtra dial-up customer (maybe other types of customers) connects to a TelstraClear connection. 20 - 40 % packet loss that is. It may also be a problem when an Xtra customer is connecting to other networks, I do not believe it is TelstraClear specific. Traceroute details (sorry if this doesn't look any good in plain text): merlin.inspire.net.nz Mon Mar 10 19:17:57 2003 Keys: D - Display mode R - Restart statistics Q - Quit Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst Y1. 203-79-89-47.inspire.net.nz 0% 71 71 0 0 0 2 2. g9-0-972.u21.tar.telstraclear.net 0% 71 71 5 4 6 91 3. 210-55-41-1.citylink.xtra.co.nz 0% 71 71 5 4 5 9 4. a9-0-0-3.XTRAK2-B1.xtra.co.nz 36% 46 71 83 37 47 83 5. v60.XTRAK1-B1.xtra.co.nz 43% 41 71 55 33 46 57 6. f5-0.ipa1-r16-5.xtra.co.nz 45% 39 71 47 33 51 96 7. 192.168.244.6 38% 44 71 63 49 72 100 8. 192.168.246.14 39% 43 71 116 47 74 116 9. 210-55-45-165.dialup.xtra.co.nz 31% 48 70 175 149 172 275 Can anyone on this list take a look at this, or point in the direction of the right person / phone number at Xtra to contact? Regards, David Mill

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search.msn.co.nz
by Craig Whitmore 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Just a heads up.... Over the last couple days we have had a large number of calls saying when people are searching for stuff on the net they are seeing a message saying "Sorry, the system is not working properly." It took us a short while while to figure it out, but its coming from Microsoft when you do a search from the search button in MSIE. search.msn.co.nz is giving that error. search.msn.co.nz = search.msn.ca (For some reason). I've emailed a few people at Microsoft, but if anyone is listening from Microsoft. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Fw: [nznog] XTRA DNS Issues - anyone else?
by Brian Gibbons 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

>----- Original Message ----- >From: Dan Clark >If we update a record in our name server, ns1.clear.net.nz gets it pretty quickly >The problem appears to be anyone logged into XTRA or using their DNS >is there something different about the way their DNS servers operate? I would suggest that Xtra's servers are probably confused by the configuration of your name servers. A quick audit shows... For scarfies.co.nz the SRS (.co.nz) list two name servers ns1.scarfies.net ns3.scarfies.net "rootservers".net shows 5 Name Server delegations for scarfies.net ns1.scarfies.net ns2.scarfies.net ns3.scarfies.net ns2.zoneedit.com ns3.zoneedit.com ns1.scarfies.net returns two name servers as authorititive for scarfies.net ns1.scarfies.net (210.55.10.201) ns3.scarfies.net (210.54.31.84) ns3.scarfies.net lists only one authorititive name server for scarfies.net zues.scarfies.net (210.55.10.201) It does not list itself (by name) as Authorititive 210.55.10.201 resolves "ns1.scarfies.net" (itself) as 210.55.10.201 210.55.10.201 resolve "ns3.scarfies.net " as 210.54.31.84 210.54.31.84 (ns3.scarfies.net?) resolves "ns1.scarfies.net " as a CNAME for nemisis.scarfies.net (GULP!) with an IP address of 210.54.31.84 (this is the Opposite IP address) 210.55.10.201 resolves "zues.scarfies.net" as a CNAME for ns1.scarfies.net.nz this is a circular CNAME reference when included with the zone file on 210.54.31.84 210.55.10.201 (ns1.scarfies.net) resolves "nemesis.scarfies.net" to 210.54.31.84 210.55.10.201 (ns1.scarfies.net) resolves "zues.scarfies.net" as a CNAME for ns1.scarfies.net with an IP address of 210.55.10.201 this is difference answer from the other name server (which returned 210.54.31.84) 210.54.31.84 (ns3.scarfies.net?) returns no answers for a lookup of ns3.scarfies.net (Hmm) Perhaps a little tidyup might solve your problem @ Xtra Cheers BG

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Netforum 2003 (and 2004??)
by Roger De Salis 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

A quick update on the the conference this year... (mark your diaries, get your management primed that you need to attend) When: [8?,9?]10/11/12 July, 2003 Where: Waipuna Lodge, Mt Wellington, Auckland Cost: NZ$695 for Three Days, discounts for early bird registration, lesser for less time, extensive student discounts...) The lead international speakers who have accepted are:- (and I have fully funded travel sponsorship for...) Evi Nemeth (ex University of Boulder Colorado, and ISC Director) who has indicated she would like to talk about "ISP measurement stuff regarding dns and the slow and infinite denial of service attack that bugs/ features/config-errors in microsoft software are doing to the root servers. - Plus other measurement stuff" Barry Raveendran Greene (Lead author of ISP practice manual from Cisco) talking about advanced ISP tools and techniques in use worldwide, current practices. Joe Abley (local boy made good) talking about Advanced mosquito control in Canadian summers, and "what is it really like to work for Paul Vixie...." ( I am certain he will provide an alternative title to his talks..) I'm still looking for papers and interesting topics for discussion. My plan is to make the conference so interesting to the ISP industry that I can get 2Day.com to stump up for a bar contribution. (Its a test....) The web-site and conference brochure will be out this week, and I'll be forwarding a URL for a double sided Colour PDF for those with colour printers, who need glossies to sell to management. =============================================================== 2004 Conference:- I do not mind whether we go to Waikato, or stay in Acukland I have no problem with changes by popular demand. I have provisional speaker acceptances for 2004 from DJ Bernstein (thanks Simon for the excellent talks in 2002) Jeff Doyle (Juniper Networks) Thanks for reading this far, more to follow. =================================================================== Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)fx.net.nz </' FX Networks +64 25 481 452 /) Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz (/ ` DSL - the 56k modem technology of 2004

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XTRA DNS Issues - anyone else?
by Dan Clark 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Hi All, Just before I go and call the XTRA Help Desk I thought I might check weather or not anyone else is noticing a similar problem... For example if we update a record in our name server, ns1.clear.net.nz gets it pretty quickly similar situation to 203.109.252.42 (Ihug). The problem appears to be anyone logged into XTRA or using their DNS, is there something different about the way their DNS servers operate? They just dont seem to get updated records for days sometimes. Please excuse me if this post is inappropriate. Kind Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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Networkers
by Michael Newbery 06 Mar '03

06 Mar '03

Anyone else going to Networkers in Brisbane next week? See you there. -- Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited

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Zone Push Time table Review
by Nick Griffin 06 Mar '03

06 Mar '03

*ZONE PUSH REVIEW* The response to the request for comment on the .nz Zone Push timetable was extremely positive. I received many recommendations in regards the Zone Push review. taking those recommendations into account I am pleased to advise that from Monday 31st March 2003 the Zone Push Timetable will be started at the following NZ local times: 05:00 09:00 12:00 15:00 18:00 22:00 This notice will also be published on the NZRS website, DNC website, the SRS newsletter and the NZNOG. if there are any questions regarding the Zone push timetable please email , zonepush(a)nzrs.net.nz cheers Nick Nick Griffin Registry Manager .nz Registry Services PO Box 24361 Wellington New Zealand e nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz <mailto:nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz> m 64 21 505 229 p 64 4 931 6977 f 64 4 931 6979 w www.nzrs.net.nz <http://www.nzrs.net.nz> CAUTION : This Email message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this Email in error, please notify me immediately and delete all material pertaining to this Email. Thank you.

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