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RE: [nznog] nznog 2003. Possible clash
by Donald Neal 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

> > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > > Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 10:34 > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: [nznog] nznog 2003. Possible clash > > > > > > Can someone confirm the date for nznog 2003? According to > this email: > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2003-January/005754.html > > > > it's on the 10th to 12th of July. > > Yes, those are the planned dates. > > > just I notice that this appears to clash with the Netsafe > conference: > > > > http://www.netsafe.org.nz/conferences/conferences default.asp > > > > I'm not sure how much the overlap of people is but it might > > affect some. I've heard back from one person that this is likely to affect them. If there isn't anyone else, I don't think we'll be doing anything about this. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop
by Frank March 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

Forwarded for your information. I am not aware of any NZers attending and would be very interested to hear from anyone thinking of going. --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Crick, Gabrielle [mailto:Gabrielle.Crick(a)dcita.gov.au] Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2003 12:40 To: 'apectel-poc(a)lists.dcita.gov.au' Subject: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop Dear colleagues The organisers of the APEC TEL IPv6 workshop invite APEC member economies to participate in the APEC TEL IPv6 workshop being held in Bangkok, Thailand on 20-21 March 2003, just prior to APEC TEL27 in Malaysia. The workshop will cover: Issues surrounding the current standard of Internet Protocol version 4 (IPv4) and how it limits the number of Internet Protocol (IP) addresses available globally. This lack of potential access will threaten all other efforts to bridge the digital divide. The need for policy makers, regulators, and decision makers in APEC economics to be familiar with issues in moving from IPv4 to IPv6 including transition, operation, financial impact, applications, security, and quality of service issues. Risks and benefits of adopting IPv6. For further information on the workshop and registration details please read the attached documents or go to www.totacademy.com. If you require additional information please contact either: Dr. Jack Treuhaft e-mail: treuhaj(a)algonquincollege.com Dr. Pongthiti Pongsilamanee e-mail: ppongs01(a)tot.co.th Kind regards Ms Gabrielle Crick Office of the APEC Telecommunications and Information Working Group Chair Department of Communications, Information Technology and the Arts Level 1, 38 Sydney Ave, BARTON GPO Box 8771 Canberra 2601 AUSTRALIA Ph +61 2 6271 1296 Fax +61 2 6271 1800 _________________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Security Adviser of the Department of Communications, Information Technology and the Arts, telephone (02) 6271-1880 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. _________________________________________________________________________ http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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RE: [nznog] nznog 2003. Possible clash
by Donald Neal 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 10:34 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] nznog 2003. Possible clash > > > Can someone confirm the date for nznog 2003? According to this email: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2003-January/005754.html > > it's on the 10th to 12th of July. Yes, those are the planned dates. > just I notice that this appears to clash with the Netsafe conference: > > http://www.netsafe.org.nz/conferences/conferences default.asp > > I'm not sure how much the overlap of people is but it might > affect some. Could anyone affected by this please speak up NOW. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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My apologies to the list for the auto responder, the problem has been rectified.
by Gavin Palmer 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Cheers Gavin Palmer

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nznog 2003. Possible clash
by Simon Lyall 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Can someone confirm the date for nznog 2003? According to this email: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2003-January/005754.html it's on the 10th to 12th of July. just I notice that this appears to clash with the Netsafe conference: http://www.netsafe.org.nz/conferences/conferences_default.asp I'm not sure how much the overlap of people is but it might affect some. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

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Re: [nznog] Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Lin Nah 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Joerg Micheel wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:52:24PM +1300, Nevil Brownlee wrote: > > > I'm pleased to announce that Vinton Cerf will give a public lecture on "The > > > Internet: its future and the opportunities it presents", at the University of > > > Auckland campus from 6pm to 7pm on Thursday 20 February 2003. (Venue: U of Auckland City Campus, Library Building Basement B28) Many Thanks to Nevil for giving us the information... > So everyone can safely attend Christophe's talk on Tuesday there, > without missing out on Vint Cerf :-) And the talk is on a Thursday! Would anyone be interested in a meal of Curry and Beer after the talk? We can make a booking at one of the restaurants in the city ( eg there's 2 or 3 in Lorne St - down the hill from campus ) if people are interested. Possibly make the reservation for 7:30pm with a warning to the restaurant that we may be late due to attending a lecture on campus. What do you think? Expressions of interest either to invite(a)auckland.thursdaynightcurry.com or me please. lin ps Also curry tomorrow night at Sitar restaurant, Mt Eden Rd, 7:30pm.

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New IANA IPv4 allocations and bogon updates
by Rob Thomas 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Hi, NZNOG listfolk. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] IANA has allocated 222/8 and 223/8 to APNIC as of February 2003. The sundry bogon projects have been updated to reflect these allocations. You will find the catch-all Bogon Reference Page here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html This includes links to the Secure IOS Template, Secure Juniper Template, bogon monitoring, and other associated references. Both 222/8 and 223/8 were withdrawn from the bogon route-server as of 13 FEB 02:01:00 US CST. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Centurion Computer Technology Ltd 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

You will need to notify the US Embassy in advance if you want to attend the Tuesday talk. I will copy the PDF file I received from the Embassy to anyone emailing me direct for further information. Can I get the pdf please? Thanks -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technolgy Limited Ph: (04) 565 1344 (025) 374 387 email: centurion(a)paradise.net.nz

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DNS Zone Push Review
by Nick Griffin 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

The current number of DNS Zone Pushs being executed is 2 per day (11am and 7pm). I am currently reviewing this and am proposing that the number is increased to a maximum of 6 per 24 hour period with the following timetable 3am, 7 am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, and 11pm. As apart of the review I am seeking feedback from registrars, stakeholders and interested parties: a) If there are any reasons that should be considered that would stop this from occurring. b) If there is a lead time to update your systems to cater with such a change, and what that lead might be. c) if there is a timetable that is prefered over that proposed. When doing the review I shall be taking into account the above when deciding the Zone Push timetable and roll out schedule. The timetable that I will be working to is: 28 February Receipt of comments 7 March Announcement of Zone push timetable and implementation schedule This notice will also be published on the NZRS website, DNC website, the SRS newsletter and the NZNOG. Cheers Nick Nick Griffin Registry Manager .nz Registry Services PO Box 24361 Wellington New Zealand e nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz <mailto:nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz> m 64 21 505 229 p 64 4 931 6977 f 64 4 931 6979 w www.nzrs.net.nz <http://www.nzrs.net.nz> CAUTION : This Email message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this Email in error, please notify me immediately and delete all material pertaining to this Email. Thank you. -- Nick Griffin Registry Manager .nz Registry Services PO Box 24361 Wellington New Zealand e nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz <mailto:nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz> m 64 21 505 229 p 64 4 931 6977 f 64 4 931 6979 w www.nzrs.net.nz <http://www.nzrs.net.nz> CAUTION : This Email message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this Email in error, please notify me immediately and delete all material pertaining to this Email. Thank you.

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ISDN performance
by Michael Hallager 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

Hello, Can anyone please inform me *From first hand experience only* what the average latency is across a Centrex Auckland BRA ISDN? Best regards, Michael Hallager michael at comsolve.net.nz -------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop
by Mike Clark 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

some good ones linked to from vint cerfs site: http://www.worldcom.com/global/resources/cerfs_up/issues/ -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [mailto:asjl(a)lpnz.org] Sent: Thursday, 13 February, 2003 16:02 To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: Re: [nznog] FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop I spotted these on the ISOC site recently: Waiting for IP version 6 by Geoff Huston (http://ispcolumn.isoc.org/2003-01/Waiting.html) and Response by IPv6 Forum to "Waiting for IP version 6" by Latif Ladid and Jim Bound (http://www.isoc.org/pubs/isp/ipv6response.shtml_ _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop
by Ewen McNeill 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

In message <C031BD7C-3EF7-11D7-B971-00039312C852(a)automagic.org>, Joe Abley writes: >On Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003, at 21:00 Canada/Eastern, Frank March wrote: >>[APEC workshop will cover] >> Issues surrounding the current standard of Internet Protocol version 4 >> (IPv4) and how it limits the number of Internet Protocol (IP) addresses >> available globally. > >Someone should tell these people that we are not running out of IPv4 >addresses any time soon They actually only talk about IPv4 limiting the number of addresses available -- which is true. There are only 2**32 of them :-) But it's not quite the point. However people outside the network-core could be forgiven for believing that there's a dire shortage of IP addresses. When only a few years ago a business connection would often have a /24 or greater address space, often one which was "portable" (in theory, but perhaps not in practice), these days plenty of business connections are given a single (gateway) IP address, and it is strongly suggested they use NAT -- even when hosting multiple servers requiring incoming connections. (In at least one instance I've seen multiple connections installed primarily "to get another IP address". When they started in on adding a few more hosting servers, and ordering their third connection "to get another IP address" I put my foot down, and they have finally applied for a /28, which will already be > 50% filled simply properly numbering the existing servers.) >and that the real pressing issue is how you make the routing system >scale (an issue which IPv6 does not attempt to address). This is the flip side to the "one address, or maybe a few more if you beg lots". You end up lots of very long prefixes. To be sure many of those couldn't care less about routing, and CIDR works well for them. But you end up with a certain percentage that have a legitimate need to do their own routing, for redundancy or otherwise, and still have fairly long prefixes. Even if they go through the (non-obvious to those outside the core networking arena) process required to get a /24, that still gives you a lot of /24s floating around to deal with routing. I tend to agree with you that by and large IPv6 will just shuffle this problem around some, and still leave basically the same issue with "how do we deal with all these routes". (The address space will be larger, and in theory will be more hierachically allocated, but there'll still be the same people, and the same portion of them will want/need to do their own routing, etc.) I'd be happy to see IPv6 deployed to get rid of some of the worst excesses of NAT I see (particularly the "traffic in to one IP address splits off to N internal servers in difficult to keep track of fashions") but other than that I don't think it's going to solve all that much by itself. Ewen

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ISDN performance
by Michael Hallager 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

Hello, Can anyone please inform me *From first hand experience only* what the average latency is across a Centrex Auckland BRA ISDN? Best regards, Michael Hallager michael at comsolve.net.nz

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RE: [nznog] Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Frank March 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

AFAIK, yr friendly USG. The US Embassy is certainly acting as v close minder for the visit. --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gardner [mailto:andy(a)navigator.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:45 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week At 1:50 PM +1300 2/12/03, Frank March wrote: >For those not already in the loop, Vint Cerf, one of the original developers >of TCP/IP and currently Chair of the ICANN Board is visiting NZ to speak at >the Knowledge Wave Forum in Auckland Thursday next week. He will also be >speaking at two public fora in Wellington. Who's paying for Vint's trip? Cheers, -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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None
by Nevil Brownlee 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Hi again: Sorry, I failed to send the second paragraph of the announcement about Vint's Auckland talk, the one telling *where* it's happening. Here it is.. > I'm pleased to announce that Vinton Cerf will give a public lecture on "The > Internet: its future and the opportunities it presents", at the University of > Auckland campus from 6pm to 7pm on Thursday 20 February 2003. > > I have booked Library room B28 (capacity 419) for this event. I have also > booked an overflow room (with videolink) that will handle an additional 269 > people. My University is now preparing a press release. Cheers, Nevil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Director, Technology Development Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 ITSS, The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7021 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz/

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Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Frank March 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

For those not already in the loop, Vint Cerf, one of the original developers of TCP/IP and currently Chair of the ICANN Board is visiting NZ to speak at the Knowledge Wave Forum in Auckland Thursday next week. He will also be speaking at two public fora in Wellington. Monday 17 February, 5:30 pm. National Library Auditorium, Molesworth St, Wellington, "Towards and Information Society for All" Tuesday 18 February, 11:45 (for noon). US Embassy, 29 Fitzherbert St, Wellington, "E-mail, how its changed busienss and where it is going" You will need to notify the US Embassy in advance if you want to attend the Tuesday talk. I will copy the PDF file I received from the Embassy to anyone emailing me direct for further information. I understand that Vint is also going to give a public talk in Auckland later in the week but at this stage do not know the details. --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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U.S. Congress and ICANN
by Andy Linton 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

I won't be able to get to the talk given by Vint Cerf at the National Library next week but I think there's some questions about US policy in relation to ICANN that someone should ask him. Attached find some material about the Senate Communications Subcommittee and ICANN. It seems that the US view may be that just like Iraq and its oil the Internet belongs to them and that they have the right to remove this body as they please even though other national entities have signed up to the process. Perhaps Vint could comment? [Note the reference to root name servers and DOS attacks which make this message of operational significance! (:-)] --- [Jan 15, 2003] U.S. Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) announced his top priorities for his chairmanship of the Senate Communications Subcommittee during the 108th legislative session. ICANN Reform STRENGTHENS AND SECURES THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE INTERNET Sen. Burns will take aim at the organization's persistent half-hearted efforts at internal reform. The lack of accountability of this quasi-governmental organization poses serious problems for American national security. The recent "denial of service" (DOS) attack on nine of the 13 Internet "root servers" in October highlights these concerns. Constitutional issues are also troubling, including whether the Commerce Department was within its rights to grant such a huge responsibility to ICANN in the first place, potentially violating the nondelegation clause [of the U.S. Constitution]. This issue demands immediate oversight. Sen. Burns will hold a hearing on ICANN Reform in the spring to address potential legislation to authorize ICANN's continued existence.

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NZNOG 2003 - Suggestions for Content
by Donald Neal 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

People, I'd be interested in receiving suggestions of subjects people would like to see covered at this July's gathering in Auckland. To me directly, please, not to the list. Offers to present are also, of course, welcome. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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freebsd iso
by Mark Frater 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Anyone know where in NZ I can get the latest freebsd stable release ISO? nz.ftp.freebsd.org seems flakey and last time I connected, didn't have anything later than v4.5 Mark

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Achieving Protection and Security in an OnLine World - Free semin ar
by Frank March 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Please distribute this information to anyone you think might be interested. Seminar sponsored by AOEMA and supported by Ministry of Economic Development Date & Venue: Monday 3rd March Christchurch Convention Centre Conference Room 1&2 95 Kilmore Street CHRISTCHURCH Wednesday 5th March Centennial Convention Centre Main St PALMERSTON NORTH Speakers: Michael Baker, Yuichi Tosaki, John Thackray, Tony Krzyzewski, Michael Wigley Cost: Free Register: REGISTRATIONS Please email your attendance to: Michael Baker Executive Director, AOEMA Michael.baker(a)aoema.org Or contact: Jim Higgins 04 939 2800 or 021 963 268 Copies of the full programme available by emailing frank.march(a)med.govt.nz Further information available at http://www.nzecommerce.co.nz/default.aspx?page=showevent&id=25 --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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Re: [nznog] freebsd iso
by Dan Langille 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

On 3 Feb 2003 at 18:06, "Mark Frater" <mfrater(a)quicks wrote: > On 4 Feb 2003 at 11:52, Mark Frater wrote: > > > Anyone know where in NZ I can get the latest freebsd stable release > > ISO? > > FWIW, there is a copy: > > http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.0/ I'm sorry, I misread. Take the other link. You do not want the above. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/

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Spammer: spametropolis.co.nz.
by Simon Lyall 30 Jan '03

30 Jan '03

Anyone at Xtra going to do anything about this crowd? I've already sent in two complaints to abuse(a)xtra (and got nice letters back even) and they just sent me another spam with a promise of another to come. I notice they even spam IDG: http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/printdoc/BEA9EAEA8C0900DACC256C7B0077ACE4… I've blocked them now but I'd really prefer that Xtra was a little more.... -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

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NZNOG 2003 - Final Vote Count
by Donald Neal 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

Three weeks ago, I asked NZNOG subscribers who expect to attend to express a preference for a conference with UniForum broadly similar to last year's on one hand, or a lower-cost gathering hosted by The University of Waikato. In counting votes, I have ignored those received from UniForum members who are not subscribed to this list. The envelope, please ... Preferring UniForum: 16 Preferring Waikato: 13 Will attend either, not worried: 6 Volunteering to help: 3 I'm inclined to conclude from this that we do not have a clear majority for either option, or more positively that we have quite a bit of interest in both. The three volunteering to help were two who favoured the UniForum option and one who would attend either. Partly for that reason, partly in the interests of getting an event under away sooner rather than later, and partly because it worked last time, I believe we should proceed with the UniForum option. It is also clear that we have significant interest in an alternative, and I believe that should be followed up, possibly for February 2004. One longer-term question would be whether 2004 could support two events, one at Waikato and another jointly with UniForum in the Wellington region. Unless I hear significant numbers of complaints soon, I'll seek to follow up who's doing what with UniForum's convenor, Roger De Salis, and those who've volunteered; and myself contact The University of Waikato with a view to working out some details for a later conference. One of my aims here is to have decisions about the conference after next made not later than during the next conference. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Mailing List Software Migration
by Donald Neal 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

The NZNOG mailing list has run since the mid-90's (yes, it has been that long) using Majordomo list management software. The list will shortly be migrating to using the rather more current mailman v2.1 instead. The address to which mail for the list is to be sent will not change. Archive collection will continue as before, though with minor changes to the layout of the web pages generated. The process for subscribing or unsubscribing will change, and will in future use a password. These are to be generated automatically in the first case, and sent out to subscribers as the migration proceeds later today. One significant change affecting a few people is that the nznog-postonly list will cease to exist. Instead, it will be possible to subscribe an address to the main nznog list and specify that that address is not to receive mail. This is to be done automatically for the addresses now subscribed to nznog-postonly. An unfortunate result of the automatic process used is that each address will have a different initial password assigned. I suspect you'll cope. OK, Colin, take it away ... - Donald Neal List Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [nznog] anyone else getting Welcome messages?
by Ewen McNeill 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

NOTE: Sent to nznog in the hope of stemming the tide of "meeee tooooo" posts; Please do not respond on the list. In message <3E383197.32604.79198938(a)localhost>, "Dan Langille" writes: >I just got a welcome to the list message... but I've been subscribed >for quite some time.... That would have something to do with this announcement: -=- cut here -=- From: "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:57:43 +1300 Subject: Mailing List Software Migration [....] The list will shortly be migrating to using the rather more current mailman v2.1 instead [.....] These [passwords] are to be generated automatically in the first case, and sent out to subscribers as the migration proceeds later today.[....] -=- cut here -=- So receiving a welcome message is perfectly normal. If you didn't get one and didn't get this message either you should probably contact the list adminstrator....[0] Ewen [0] Yes, this is a joke.

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RE: [nznog] anyone else getting Welcome messages?
by Dan Langille 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

On 30 Jan 2003 at 14:02, Lindsay Druett wrote: > > I just got a welcome to the list message... but I've been subscribed > > for quite some time.... > > Yes you have indeed... > You have been subscribed for over ten minutes now -- according to > Mailman... Woo hoo! Thanks. You and about 8 others have told me about the message I deleted without reading. If I have no time to read them, I just delete them. I'm glad I'm not the only one to have missed it. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/

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[Fwd: anyone know who is using this address block?]
by Russell Fulton 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

I some how doubt that a six year old address @student.canterbury.ac.nz will be much use. Anyone know of a contact -- one address in this block is infected with slammer worm... Russell Whois: inetnum: 202.37.124.0 - 202.37.125.255 netname: ISHOP-NZ country: NZ descr: Internet Shop Home Networking Expt (January 1996) Internet Connected BBS (March 1996) Internet Provider (May 1996) admin_c: JT5-NZ tech_c: JT5-NZ remarks: mnt_by: MAINT-NULL changed: sandy(a)waikato.ac.nz 960109 status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE source: APNIC notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ J.Tew(a)student.canterbury.ac.nz -- Russell Fulton, Computer and Network Security Officer The University of Auckland, New Zealand "It aint necessarily so" - Gershwin -- Russell Fulton, Computer and Network Security Officer The University of Auckland, New Zealand "It aint necessarily so" - Gershwin - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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CAIDA skitter in New Zealand
by Joerg Micheel 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

Cheers everyone, this is a request for help in the interest of research / community. For the past four years the WAND network research group at the University of Waikato has been hosting the only skitter system in the South Pacific rim. http://www.caida.org/tools/measurement/skitter/ The system measures and displays a number of important network properties on a global scale and tracks changes on short, medium and long time scales. Waikato has been the beacon on the map, making sure NZ shows up on the radar screen of the Internet (research) community. The problem in running a skitter system is with the amount of traffic generated, it can easily exceed 1 GByte per day, and with traffic charging in place, this adds up to something like NZ$50,000 per annum for us. We have been coping with a mix of external and internal funding, but those sources have finally dried out. The sad result is that we had to shut down the system last week. No backup solutions so far. This note to you to explore if any of you have an idea on alternative placements, preferably with no volume charging in place at all, or, with a nominal fee. There is little chance we can keep operating a machine here in NZ if the amount of funding required is going to be substancial. Thanks. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)nlanr.net> NLANR MNA at SDSC/UCSD Page: <joerg(a)vodafone.net.nz> The University of Waikato, CompScience Phone: +64 7 8384794 Private Bag 3105 Fax: +64 7 8585095 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: PMA, TINE and the DAG's - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Uniforum 03 Student discounts
by Matthew Lamb 28 Jan '03

28 Jan '03

Someone mentioned a discount for students attending, anyone know anything about them / where I can find some more info? Thanks Matt Lamb NZPages.Net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Last Call for 2U cases
by Mark Frater 28 Jan '03

28 Jan '03

Hi List, I'm ordering 2U 19" wide by (only) 19" deep cases from Taiwan direct from manufacturer. These shallow cases are ideal for 600mm deep cabinets. Takes standard ATX moboWe have deployed both P4 and Athlon boards in these cases already and they have been fine. Here is a PDF cad drawing. http://www.quicksilver.net.nz/272-dia.pdf. Made by Comix International. $US200 for case, 400W PSU and 3xPCI Riser card. PLUS freight, gst and handling. Total cost worked out at NZ$612.88/case last time after shipping, customs charges and GST were added. This time might be slightly better with more cases and a better exchange rate. Realistically, about 3-4 weeks delivery ( ie 1 week to get deposits, 1 week for Comix to process order, 1 week for airfreight, 1 week for NZcustoms clearance. Pickup from Quicksilver Internet, Textile Centre, Kenwyn St, Parnell, or for a small fee we could arrange for a courier from here. I'd like to get a deposit of say NZ$400 per case off people before placing the order. Make out cheques to Mercury Telecommunications Ltd and send to: Attn: Mark Frater, Mercury Telecommunications Ltd P.O.Box 99856 New Market Contact me off list TODAY if you are interested. Mark Frater Quicksilver Internet ph 9160300 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2003 - Last Call for Votes
by Donald Neal 27 Jan '03

27 Jan '03

Days since I asked people who expect to attend to express a preference: 19 Preferring UniForum: 10 Preferring Waikato: 8 Will attend either, not worried: 3 Volunteering to help: 2 The University of Waikato expect an attendance from them which is about five higher if the Waikato option is chosen. I don't see a clear outcome here. but if we're going to anything a decision of some sort is needed. Could I please have any further expressions of interest by noon (NZDT) on Thursday, 30 January? People who liked the idea of doing both UniForum NZ in July 2003 and Waikato in February 2004: 2 - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: NZNOG 2003 - Last Call for Votes
by Donald Neal 27 Jan '03

27 Jan '03

Chris, When I first floated the idea of what became last year's face to face gathering, I got 22 responses. Asking people without quoting dates, prices or a programme will tend, I think, to produce less interest than a specific proposal. - Donald Neal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hellberg [mailto:odysseus(a)soa.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2003 12:50 > To: Donald Neal > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 - Last Call for Votes > > > I hope this isn't a guage of the interest for NZNOG 2003 - 23 people. > The calibre of last year's event was pretty impressive and no > doubt that this year will be just as good; I know I'm looking > forward to it. > > It would be a real shame to miss out on the best event of its > type in NZ for lack of support. I'm sure there are more out there who > have heard of IP or 2day.com-sponsored bar tabs. > > Hopefully I got enough superlatives in ;) > > Cheers, > > Chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[OT] 19" Coms Rack Cabinet...
by Dan Clark 27 Jan '03

27 Jan '03

Hi all, Sorry for the OT but would anyone out there have any spare 19" Coms Rack Cabinets surplus/for sale? Especially in the Dunedin area. We are in need of a 1/2 height (24U ish). Please contact off list. Kind Regards, Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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worldwide DDOS (sql server fun)
by Joe Abley 25 Jan '03

25 Jan '03

http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/mssql-udp.txt Time to start applying some filters at your edges. This has taken some big networks off the air in the US (and at least one in NZ). term deny-dos { from { packet-length 404; protocol udp; destination-port 1434; } then { count codered-4; discard; } } term allow-rest { then accept; } - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: worldwide DDOS (sql server fun)
by Ewen McNeill 25 Jan '03

25 Jan '03

In message <005701c2c4b1$165b1a80$0c01a8c0(a)saarinen.org>, "Juha Saarinen" writes: >Joe Abley <jabley(a)automagic.org> wrote: >> http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/mssql-udp.txt > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2693925.stm >Although I remain dubious about this claim: >"Unlike viruses, the worm exists only in memory, so it cannot be detected by >traditional anti-virus scanners." I'm not sure which bit you're dubious about: the "only in memory" or the "cannot be detected by traditional anti-virus scanners". The only in memory has been identified by various people starting to disassemble it. Various useful links (that have come through Bugtraq): >From "Jay D. Dyson" <jdyson(a)treachery.net>: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/370308 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/399260 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/484891 >From H D Moore <sflist(a)digitaloffense.net>: http://www.digitaloffense.net/worms/mssql_udp_worm/ (which contains some disassembly screen shots, and a unannotated disassembly) >From cstone <cstone(a)pobox.com> http://www.boredom.org/~cstone/worm-annotated.txt (which contains an annotated disassembly) >From what I can tell it's just a worm, spreading itself as fast as it can. Presumably the vulnerable hosts thus identified are then prime targets for something else to come in as a second wave. There's nothing in the annotated disassembly that indicates writing/sending data anywhere other than the Internet, hence "only in memory". Various people report that the infection can be cleared by stopping SQL server and/or rebooting -- with the obvious caveat that if it's not disconnected/firewalled from possible sources, it'll be reinfected quickly. As for "cannot be detected by traditional anti-virus scanners", that's probably a fall out of not writing anything to disk (which could be scanned), and memory protection in modern OS (which means the "memory scan" phase of DOS-based virus scanners is limited to the memory space the anti virus scanner is running in, without kernel support). Presumably a debug API or similar could be used to scan all memory, but I don't recall seeing that type of technique in (m)any anti-virus programs. Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: 2LD Review for *.nz ?
by Frank March 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Although this matter is off-topic for this list, it might pay for me to clarify matters here. InternetNZ has a clearly laid out set of procedures for reviewing policies relating to .nz administration - please see the Domain Name Commissioners website at http://www.dnc.org.nz/ for more information. Included in these is the process for determining and reviewing policies and procedures. Briefly the review process requires the establishment of a review committee whose task it is, inter alia, to carry out a process of wide public consultation. In this case, the review committee composition has been discussed with the InternetNZ Council who have delegated final membership determination to the .nz Oversight Committee. It should be noted that the notice (and accompanying press release) went out on 13 December which is, even by the relaxed NZ standards at this time of the year, a reasonable time before Christmas/New Year. The review terms of reference have yet to be decided but will be wide (see http://www.dnc.org.nz/story/30064-35-1.html) The public consultation, apart from online discussions, will involve at least one forum session of some type, probably co-incident with a broader discussion of other InternetNZ matters of public interest, to be organised late in the first half of this year. Unfortunately, I cannot be more specific about dates and location as this is a matter for the InternetNZ Council and the new Executive Director to sort out. Best wishes, Frank March Chair, .nz Oversight Committee --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Brislen [mailto:Paul_Brislen(a)idg.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:26 To: Mark Foster Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: 2LD Review for *.nz ? I would be interested to hear from anyone who has applied as well - I thought the nomination process was a bit quick, especially with the Christmas/New Year/Holiday of your choice season smack in the middle of it. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: 2LD Review for *.nz ?
by Paul Brislen 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Sadly, it's too late - nominations/applications closed first week of January... Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net>@list.waikato.ac.nz on 23/01/2003 12:03:11 Sent by: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz cc: Subject: 2LD Review for *.nz ? http://www.idg.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/E021027AAA37CF2DCC256CB6000704F1!open… (Apologies for any offtopicness, but I know there will be people here very interested in this...) Anyone going to volunteer? - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: 2LD Review for *.nz ?
by Paul Brislen 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

I would be interested to hear from anyone who has applied as well - I thought the nomination process was a bit quick, especially with the Christmas/New Year/Holiday of your choice season smack in the middle of it. Let me know off list if you like - I'm as far off topic as I like to get. Cheers, Paul PS - yes, I'm the reporter for IDGNet. Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> on 23/01/2003 13:36:03 To: "Paul Brislen" <Paul_Brislen(a)idg.co.nz> cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: 2LD Review for *.nz ? "The nominations for interest in being involved have closed and InternetNZ's oversight committee will meet in early February to select the four other participants." Oops.. Maybe ill rephrase. Anyone involved with NZNOG involved with this? The implications will impact alot of us here, I imagine. Thanks Paul, Mark. At 11:53 23/01/2003 +1300, Paul Brislen wrote: >Sadly, it's too late - nominations/applications closed first week of >January... - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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2LD Review for *.nz ?
by Mark Foster 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

http://www.idg.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/E021027AAA37CF2DCC256CB6000704F1!open… (Apologies for any offtopicness, but I know there will be people here very interested in this...) Anyone going to volunteer? - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The green green grass of home...
by Dean Pemberton 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Hi all; I've been overseas for almost 5 years now, and it's time to come back home to New Zealand. I do however need a job. I've spoken to my current employer about this of course. While they acknowledge that it is technically possible for me to get a transfer to NZ, they can not see it happening in the near future. This is unfortunate, but does nothing to dampen my desire to return home. SO; If anyone out there has a position they need filled, or know of someone else who does, then can you drop me a line. My preference is for permanent work in Wellington, but I'm also happy to consider contract work and other locations. I'm also open to negotiation regarding salary, so don't worry about that to begin with. I'm basically keeping an open mind. So if you have something pass it on. I have a current CV at http://deanpemberton.com/cv/ Feel free to pass it along to anyone who might be interested. Thanks Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Talk about 'Network Measurements at Sprint, AS 1239'
by Nevil Brownlee 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Hi Jamie: > Have you come across a similar project by RIPE? > http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/ > > Are the two trying to achieve the same objectives with different approaches > in terms of scale and distribution? (Though to me RIPE has the edge as is > appears to measure IPDV) Yes. RIPE test traffic provides data about Internet links between their 'test boxes;' RIPE NCC offer it as a (charged for) service to ISPs who are RIPE members. I agree, it's an interesting project - their web pages http://www.ripe.net/ttm/index.html are well worth a look. The Sprint work is concerned with measuring and understanding the way traffic behaves in their backbone, and how that information can be used to imnprove backbone behaviour, for example by using it to tune IS-IS link weights. > Nevertheless, some very interesting statistical information found at > http://ipmon.sprint.com Cheers, Nevil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Director, Technology Development Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 ITSS, The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7021 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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more on the PDP-11
by Richard Naylor 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

I should have mentioned its not small. The basic 2 disk machine is a 1.2m rack. I normally stack the 3rd disk and floppy on top, making a 5 foot rack. In my box of bits there maybe some MicroVax cpus as well. Theres also a few backplanes, so you can probably build a 2nd or 3rd machine. There is also a real DEC VT100 And for those of you who think "in car computers" (&MP3 players) are cool, I had an in car PDP-11 probably before you were born. rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone looking to 2U cases ?
by Mark Frater 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Hi List, I've tried getting 2U 19" wide by (only) 19" deep cases from Procase, but they don't have any and can't get them. Unless anyone knows a NZ source for these, I am intending to get some from Taiwan. US$200 including 400W PSU. Takes standard ATX mobo, comes with 3PCI riser card. We have some units in production already and they have been fine. Contact me off list if you are interested and we can split the shipping and import charges. Mark Frater Quicksilver Internet ph 9160300 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Reporting NZNOG activities at APRICOT
by Philip Smith 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

Hi, Apologies for non-operational content, but I was wondering if anyone from New Zealand would be going to APRICOT 2003 in Taipei (www.apricot2003.net) If you don't already know, APRICOT is the Asia Pacific's annual Internet Operations conference, tutorial and workshop event; it is also hosts APNIC's open policy meeting, as well as the meetings of many other AP internet related organisations. I'm co-chair of APOPS (www.apops.net) the AP region's operator mailing list (intended to work along the same lines as NANOG, AfNOG, and EOF). The APOPS meeting will be held as part of APRICOT on Wednesday 26th, and I think it would be great if someone from the New Zealand Internet community could give a short (max 15 minutes) presentation on local Internet activities. I'm not looking for anything fantastically detailed, just a general FYI style overview of what's going on. If anyone is interested in helping with this, and is going to APRICOT, please let me know. thanks a lot! philip -- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [Xinqu] Re: [was-Xinqu] Re: more on the PDP-11
by Richard Naylor 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

At 02:53 p.m. 20/01/2003 +1300, Bruce Hoult wrote: I don't know why anyone would think that it was kosmos. Kosmos quite clearly announced itself as VAX/VMS when you logged in and *that* isn't going to run on a PDP-11. agreed <sigh> >You didn't answer my questions about what sort of physical ethernet >interface it has (thick or thin), whether it talks TCP/IP, or whether >you've got a Unix for it. And I'll add to that a question about RSTS... it has AUI. the real ethernet. Sorry no *ix for it, nor RSTS. I mainly did real time stuff and that meant RSX or RT-11 (which is what MS-DOS was modelled on, not to confuse with the IBM-360-DOS, or the many other DOS's out there in those days. Add TSX to RT-11 and you have a good clone of RSTS. It has a similar multi login thingy per terminal like Linux . Oh theres more... DRV-11 - parallel interface - if you like building stuff or doing nuclear device testing Analog devices isolated input A/D converter several serial devices (synch) several serial devices (asynch) with modem controls. And no, I'm not parting with my industrial-11 (aka PDP-11/05) front panel with the flashing lights. there were only two of those in NZ if that. rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [Xinqu] Re: more on the PDP-11
by Richard Naylor 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

At 10:41 a.m. 20/01/2003 +1300, Lin Nah wrote: >IS this machine one of those used for the wcc freenet? NO. its my own private family PDP-11 >I seem to remember some talk about kosmos being given to someone >who would appreciate it etc but I could be mistaken Sorry - I wasn't in WCC IT when Kosmos was decomm'd rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: more on the PDP-11
by Richard Naylor 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

At 10:41 a.m. 20/01/2003 +1300, Lin Nah wrote: >IS this machine one of those used for the wcc freenet? > >I seem to remember some talk about kosmos being given to someone >who would appreciate it etc but I could be mistaken No - this is my own home machine. Kosmos was actually 3 different machines. The first was a Vax 750 from the MED (We merged MED and WCC data centers - thats when the fiber got started), the second was a MicroVaxII (later a small cluster) and finally a MicroVax 3400. While I closed CityNet down, I didn't dispose of the gear, I was working in Economic Development by then and it wasn't my issue. I know it stayed active for some time as it was the main dial in box for WCC staff rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT: Surplus equipment available
by Richard Naylor 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

Howdy all, I have some mature equipment available. 1x PDP 11/73 (also 11/23 and 11/03 processors) 4 MB RAM (i think - lots of other modules) 8 serial ports (DLV-11J - no modem controls) 2x 8 inch floppy RX-01 (128k I think) 3x RL01 Removable disk drives (5MB each) (lots of cartridges/packs) 1x DEQNA ethernet lotsa other modules, including a unibus tester and Q-bus stalk card (for scoping cards) I also have a Tape drive controller and a card reader, altho VUW currently have the card reader. It currently runs RT-11/TSX and I also have copies of RSX-11M V3.2 or V4. There is word processing (Lex-11) Fortran and Basic and probably others I've forgotten. An old DECUS database manager. And yes it has games like Space Invaders and Adventure (read "Soul of a New MAchine by Tracey Kidder") My kids grew up with it, so theres a classy menu system that asks quiz questions everytime you select something, especially the games. I think theres my old UUCP mail system on it as well as a DECUS one that doesn't network. Its all original DEC kit complete with service manuals and circuit diagrams and diagnostic progs. I used to work for a DEC OEM, so its been well looked after. Any interest ? rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2003 - Vote Count So Far
by Donald Neal 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Days since I asked people who expect to attend to express a preference: 8 Preferring UniForum: 8 Preferring Waikato: 8 Will attend either, not worried: 2 Volunteering to help: 1 The University of Waikato expect an attendance from them which is about five higher if the Waikato option is chosen. I don't see a clear outcome here. I think I'll go on holiday. Then again, what if we did both - UniForum NZ in July 2003 and Waikato in February 2004? - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Message Stopped by: Junk Mail Inbound
by Simon Blake 15 Jan '03

15 Jan '03

Woohoo! A new low, I'm a junkmailer :-). Preemptive apology for prior message being off charter, I guess I won't hold my breath for applications from Safecom users. Cheers Si ----- Forwarded message from admin(a)safecom.co.nz ----- From: admin(a)safecom.co.nz To: simon(a)citylink.co.nz CC: Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:24:37 +1300 Subject: Message Stopped by: Junk Mail Inbound The Safecom SMTP Relay has quarantined this email due to the triggering of the Junk Mail policy. The email has been forwarded to the Mail Administrator of the intended recipients company. This Mail Administrator will forward the mail to the recipient should it be deemed as legitimate email i.e not Chainmail, Virus Hoax or Jokes. Message: BB0056338e.00000001.mml From: simon(a)citylink.co.nz To: <deleted>@hpac.govt.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 This is an automated response. Do not reply to this message. If you have any further questions please contact the intended recipient to confirm whether they received the email. ----- End forwarded message ----- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Simon Blake 15 Jan '03

15 Jan '03

Evening all On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 11:00:26PM +1300, Richard Naylor said: > The other issue is that unless we get Si his helper (yes there is a job > going), then I suspect you get me or Si, but not both. As Richard so subtly alludes, Citylink is hiring, to replace some of Jonny (who's bunked off on his OE) and some of me (who's moving to other projects within Citylink). I prefer not to think of the new role as Si's little helper, rather as a fully functional member of the tech team at Citylink, but well, whatever works. To keep it brief, I'm not going to quote a full job description of what we're after (although rest assured, one does exist), yawl get to guess, based on what you know of what Jonny and I did/do. I will observe a couple of points though: - it's a job in Wellington. There will be the odd trip to Auckland to stare at Level 48, but otherwise, it's Wellington. No whining. - willingness to do (occasional) outside plant work. That means a drivers license, and an ability to cope with ladders/heights. Likewise, the network in Wellington is constrained over a fairly small area, so be emotionally prepared to walk places occasionally as part of your work. - runumeration is flexible - we're a community network, with not a great deal of cash to fling around, but we will pay to get the right person. Other than that, it's a cool place to work, small team (15-20 people), lots of variety and challenge, flexibility, yadayadayada. CV's in *sane* formats to jobs(a)citylink.co.nz by the end of next week (Fri 24 2002). Please feel free to pass this on to whomever may be interested. Cheers Si - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Internet Traffic Report
by Donald Neal 14 Jan '03

14 Jan '03

Dean Pemberton sent this to the list: - - - - - heh - things like this are intersting but you have to be careful who you give them to. MRTG is easy for people to misunderestimate =) Evaluating the whole internet as a number could be so much worse. I love this bit though Australia Total Routers: 7 Now Aus/NZ is small - but thats a bit much =) Dean On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 14:04, Michael Newbery wrote: > THWACK! THWACK! THWACK! > > I meant http://www.internettrafficreport.com/main.htm > > That other is an internal site which you can't see. Pasted the wrong > URL into the email. > > MUMBLE... > -- > Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2003 - Vote Count So Far
by Donald Neal 14 Jan '03

14 Jan '03

Days since I asked people who expect to attend to express a preference: 5 Preferring UniForum: 8 Preferring Waikato: 4 Will attend either, not worried: 1 Volunteering to help: 1 On the other hand, The University of Waikato expect an attendance from them which is about five higher if the Waikato option is chosen. My main conclusion so far is that I haven't heard from very many people. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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24dBi Dish Req.
by Matthew G Brown 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

Does anyone out there have a 24-26dBi 802.11 Grid Antenna surpuss. Required for backhaul to customer while Telstra sort out their problems. Best Regards Matthew G Brown Janator & Cleaning Services NZ Wireless LTD Http://www.nzwireless.co.nz Matt(a)NZWireless.co.nz

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Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003
by Tony McGregor 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

On 12 Jan 2003, Dean Pemberton wrote: > Can we have printed brochers to hand out to our customers. (I told them > there was a webpage) Sure. Normally either in the bag, or on a literature table. Or on the desks first day. > Can you send us the webpage URL so that we can link to it from our > Events calender (Told them it was coming) Certainly, there will be a web site. C.F. for example the pam2003 one. www.pam2003.org > Can we get the list of attendees and contact details (Yeah right, but > they will ask) Most of the conferences I got to provide attendees and affiliation but not contact details. > Can we put up advertising around the venue, how much and for how long. > etc etc etc etc etc A sponsor could. Tony - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003
by Tony McGregor 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

> 7. t-shirts > > Make a t-shirt for each conference, and give them away to attendees. > It's cheap advertising delivered directly into machine rooms and NOCs. T-shirts are no problem, if we want to add them to the reg fee. They cost about $15 from memory, depending on the quality of the shirt (we just had a bunch made). Probably an ideal sponsorship opportunity. Tony - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Tony McGregor 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Joe Abley wrote: > At NANOG meetings the presentation slides are up on the web site before > the conference starts, usually in some browsable form as well as native > format (PDF, powerpoint). This is cool, but in my experiance the sticking point is getting the persenters material in time. This isn't one of those conferences where we can hold the threat of not being allowed to speak if you don't get the presentation in on time. > Naturally, any plans involving video will require someone to actually > record the sessions in the first place :) We do have a professional unit that does that at Waikato. They will cost a bit though. If people want, I can follwo up. The difference a profesional makes here is huge. Tony - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2003
by Donald Neal 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

In July of last year I posted to this list asking people to express their preferences between one of two different formats for an NZNOG gathering for this year. As I described them then, the options were: "1/ UniForum NZ Roger De Salis has volunteered to act as convenor for next year's UniForum NZ conference. In general terms, his intention is to stage a conference similar in structure to this year's, though with Linux content much more focussed toward a business audience, and in general a stronger programme. NZNOG would be welcome to participate on more or less the same basis as this year, though presumably making up a smaller proportion of a larger conference. This would probably be at around the same time of year and probably in Auckland. 2/ The University of Waikato The University of Waikato have offered to host a NZNOG gathering, to be held at their main campus in Hamilton. This would be a stand-alone event, with the university providing administrative staff time for registrations and the like. No decision has been made as to when this would be. If held outside university terms, e.g. in February, accommodation on campus would be available at a cost of approximately $35 per night. There would be a cost for the venue, but this would be well below the rate a hotel would charge. The Hamilton option is likely to have a significantly lower cost. It is possible that a university setting would discourage sponsors, who provided a good number of overseas speakers this year. On the other hand, the likely venue photographs well and we haven't asked them yet." I received exactly one clear statement of a preference. A subsequent posting by Tony McGregor confirmed that he was confident that a gathering at The University of Waikato could keep its registration fee very low, possibly as low as zero. I know that Roger De Salis has continued to work on content for a UniForum conference, and intends a Next-Generation Internet stream for that. I'd like now to hear back from people who would actually plan to attend one or other if it were offered a) whether they have a clear preference for one format or the other, and b) whether they're in a position to do any work towards making something happen. If you're making a general comment, by all means send it to the list, but please send statements of personal preference just to me. I plan to summarise feedback more or less as I receive it. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Tony McGregor 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

I'm sorry I haven't responded to any of the questions about the Waikato venue earlier; I'm on holiday at the moment. A lot of details would have to be confirmed but here's what I would expect of a Waikato venue. Location A lecture room of appropriate size. Projector, OHP, mike etc. All good quality gear. I'd expect we'd use 'S' block for those of you who know the campus. We'd use the foyer for breaks etc. Food There is no problem providing lunch morning and afternoon tea, constant coffee, even a fridge. There are vending machines nearby. This is a registration cost issue. How much do you want to bundle in there? I'd imagine we'd setup an optional conference dinner either at a nearby restaurant or at the restaurant and bar on campus. Network There is good connectivity to any room we'd be in. (6-8Mbps to off campus). Usage charges are a bit of an issue. I'd be billed about 10c/Mb. The 2-3Gb mentioned for the last conference is no problem, but we'd need sponsorship to do streaming video. We (the WAND group) are currently looking to buy some bandwidth so this issue may well be gone by the time the conference occurs. We didn't actually provide wireless to the last conference, but did come equipped to do so, just because we wanted it ourselves. We would certainly provide wireless in the conference room and foyer. That too is a no brainer. We have (for another conference) provided wireless to the on campus restaurant and bar and could probably do that again if they were used. Network access to accommodation depends. I believe some of the on-campus accommodation rooms have LAN ports. We could probably do wireless to others. It might be possible for us do an ad hoc wireless link to a nearby motel but that's not a given. Web vs Attendance Because we don't have a very high one off cost I don't think this is an issue. From memory (my notes are at work) the fixed costs were low enough that I could probably sponsor them. So the registration would mostly be covering per participant costs. It seems possible to me that we could have free registration for those not wanting food etc. Niceties Pens, paper, water, mints, power are a no brainer. A bag is quite doable if people really want it. It either needs to be sponsored or adds, say $25 to the registration fee. Transport Hamilton is only a 90 min drive from downtown Auckland (unless the Auckland traffic gets you.) You can also take a bus, train or even fly. People commute to Auckland from here. Surely, coming down here for a couple of days isn't really a big issue. What may be an issue for non-Aucklanders, is the fairly limited air services to here. Wellington is good, everything else is indirect. Accommodation The big issue here is timing. If you want to use the on campus accommodation the conference needs to be mid-Nov to mid-Feb. That means it's 10 months away. Other times we'd have to use off campus accommodation. The nearest is about a 20-25min walk so car pooling (or arranging a mini-bus) is a good idea. We'd probably select a conference hotel or motel and arrange most things around that. (E.G. have the dinner walking distance from the nominated hotel). There's a good range of accommodation of various prices nearby. Sponsors and Speakers Having other sponsors will be a big help in making the conference go off well and be more fun. It's been suggested that sponsors might be less keen to sponsor a meeting if it's at Waikato. I can't really see that. It's the community that attracts the sponsorship, not the location. We haven't found this to be a problem at other conferences at the University We have plenty of international contacts (we sponsored David Moore last year). I'm sure we could attract some of them to come here. Experience The university does run a fair number of conferences. I was on the organising committee for PAM2000 and am a co-chair for PAM2003. I've also done a bunch of other meetings and conferences. Why? You might we wondering why I'm keen to host it here. Firstly, I want the WAND group to be better known by the NZNOG community. > Our funders say we need to raise our profile within NZ. Also, I spent more on student registrations last time that covering the basic costs would have cost if I'd done it here and I can't justify that again. But, if I can spend the same money, and have that payoff for everyone, and buy some brownie points, it seems like a good deal. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (2003-01-13)
by Craig Whitmore 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746), please update your Prefix Lists to add the Following Networks. ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.27.208.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.36.183.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.49.106.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.180.128/26 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.193.64/27 A full Cisco Prefix List is attached. Those you don't accept greater than a /24 ignore the last 2 prefix Lists. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Ewen McNeill 11 Jan '03

11 Jan '03

In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0301110438180.23094-100000(a)blue.darkmere.gen.nz>, Lin Nah writes: >For example the U of Waikato contingent was strong (10 - 15). [...] >After all without them we'd have been without that wonderful wireless >network. [1] I'd actually assumed that the wireless was provided by Citylink, what with the wireless units reporting CafeNet, etc. In any event, it was good to see a bunch of people from University of Waikato turn up, and scheduling the conference for a university term break obviously helped. >What I am trying to say is there were frills From owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sun Jan 12 20:12:25 2003 Return-Path: <owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Delivered-To: nznog-archive(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Received: (qmail 29748 invoked by alias); 12 Jan 2003 20:12:24 -0000 Delivered-To: nznog-waiklist(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Received: (qmail 29743 invoked by uid 24754); 12 Jan 2003 20:12:24 -0000 Delivered-To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Received: (qmail 29733 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 20:12:23 -0000 Received: from mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (130.217.66.61) by list.waikato.ac.nz with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 20:12:23 -0000 X-Envelope-From: mail(a)dalek.telecom.co.nz X-Envelope-To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Received: from smtpout.telecom.co.nz (smtpout.telecom.co.nz [146.171.14.10]) by mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h0CKCNg06542 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:23 +1300 Received: from aksmtpmdr2.telecom.co.nz (aksmtpmdr2 [146.171.1.21]) by smtpout.telecom.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AB746187 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:23 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from 146.171.227.25 by aksmtpmdr2.telecom.co.nz with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v5.0)); Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:16 +1300 X-Server-Uuid: C12A7B57-6254-11D6-850C-00508BBBD939 Received: from akmail02.telecom.tcnz.net ([146.171.227.22]) by akextmail02.telecom.tcnz.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:16 +1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:16 +1300 Message-ID: <3936E12ED6B54E4087D8263F4E1AE8821F6EB6(a)akmail02.telecom.tcnz.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003 Thread-Index: AcK6ducXC4ocYSZkEdeD0wAAOblZJg== From: "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2003 20:12:16.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7548B20:01C2BA76] X-WSS-ID: 123F13AA89246-01-01 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2BA76.E746D0D0" Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BA76.E746D0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger De Salis sent this to the list - - - - - Quoting Dean Pemberton <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz>: > On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 08:26, Joe Abley wrote: > > People seem to be concentrating on the travel implications > > of Hamilton vs. Auckland, without considering other things > > that are (I think) somewhat important. Lin mentioned some > > of these, but I thought I'd make a list. >=20 > Good list - I just have one more thing to add. >=20 > When it comes to getting money out of companies. The Techies > don't have any. >=20 > Most of the Sponsorship money you need comes from the Marketing > department. And they don't care how much beer will be at the > conference. >=20 > I had some real issues with getting cash out of a certain company > without answering the following questions. >=20 > Can we have printed brochers to hand out to our customers. > (I told them there was a webpage) Yes. Glossy colour flyers being produced as we speak, as this makes the = selling exercise so much easier. I'll put the colour PDF's up on the Web = site, to let people colour print their own version for local conversations. > Can you send us the webpage URL so that we can link to it from our > Events calender (Told them it was coming) Yes. > Who else is sponsoring at this conference.=20 This is my exercise over the next 4 weeks, drum up the sponsorship. My hope= = is sponsorship will be similar to last year, with some additional sponsors. > Can we get the list of attendees and contact details=20 > (Yeah right, but they will ask) You can certainly get a copy of last years attendees. We are obviously = hoping for more. > Can we put up advertising around the venue, how much and for how long. > etc etc etc etc etc Yes, length of conference, whatever works for you. The point of the venue i= s= it is somewhat larger than last year. So corporate type things can happen = if the sponsors desire. >=20 > I'd suggest that people go and look at the Sponsorship page > for Apricot and see what they are offering to companies who > provide sponsorship. This is the sort of stuff that the > Marketing departments want to see. Otherwise you have a=20 > shit show of getting cash out of large companies. >=20 > Oh and most of the time they control the big speakers too =3D) Particularly if they help with the airfare.... Rgds Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential.=20 If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BA76.E746D0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV> Roger De = Salis sent=20 this to the list - - - -=20 - Quoting Dean Pemberton=20 <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz>: > On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 08:26, Joe Abley= =20 wrote: > > People seem to be concentrating on= = the=20 travel implications > > of Hamilton vs. Auckland, without= =20 considering other things > > that are (I think) somewhat = important. Lin=20 mentioned some > > of these, but I thought I'd make a= =20 list. > > Good list - I just have one more thing = to=20 add. > > When it comes to getting money out of = companies.=20 The Techies > don't have any. > > Most of the Sponsorship money you need = comes=20 =66rom the Marketing > department. And they don't care how muc= h= beer=20 will be at the > conference. > > I had some real issues with getting cas= h= out of=20 a certain company > without answering the following=20 questions. > > Can we have printed brochers to hand ou= t= to our=20 customers. > (I told them there was a = webpage) Yes. Glossy colour flyers being produced as = we speak,=20 as this makes the selling exercise = so much=20 easier. I'll put the colour PDF's u= p= on=20 the Web site, to let people colour print their own version<SPAN=20 class=3D065165619-12012003> for local conversations. > Can you send us the webpage URL so that= = we can=20 link to it from our > Events calender (Told them it was=20 coming) Yes. > Who else is sponsoring at this = conference.=20 This is my exercise over the next 4 weeks, = drum up=20 the sponsorship. My hope is = sponsorship=20 will be similar to last year, with some=20 additional sponsors. > Can we get the list of attendees and = contact=20 details > (Yeah right, but they will = ask) You can certainly get a copy of last years = attendees.=20 We are obviously hoping for=20 more. > Can we put up advertising around the = venue, how=20 much and for how long. > etc etc etc etc etc Yes, length of conference, whatever works fo= r= you.=20 The point of the venue is it is = somewhat=20 larger than last year. So corporate type=20 things can happen if the sponsors desire. > > I'd suggest that people go and look at = the=20 Sponsorship page > for Apricot and see what they are = offering to=20 companies who > provide sponsorship. This is the sort o= =66= stuff=20 that the > Marketing departments want to see. = Otherwise you=20 have a > shit show of getting cash out of large= =20 companies. > > Oh and most of the time they control th= e= big=20 speakers too =3D) Particularly if they help with the=20 airfare.... Rgds Roger</DIV></BODY></HTML> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. 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NZNOG 2003 - Vote Count So Far
by Donald Neal 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Days since I asked people who expect to attend to express a preference: 1 Preferring UniForum: 4 Preferring Waikato: 4 Will attend either, not worried: 1 Volunteering to help: 1 - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: NZNOG 2003
by Donald Neal 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Chris, So far as I'm aware the income tax laws haven't changed in the past year, so UniForum membership is still likely to be a condition of the UniForum option. How the UniForum organisation is structured, and hence what the subscription is, was to be reviewed last year, though I've not heard of an outcome from that. - Donald Neal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hellberg [mailto:odysseus(a)soa.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:43 > To: Donald Neal > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 > > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 11:43:06AM +1300, Donald Neal wrote: > <<Stuff about venues>> > > I don't have a strong opinion either way on the two venues (as long as > there's beer and curry close-by), however I would prefer not to have > to pay for membership to a society that I'll never have any > interest in. > > That being said, I'm sure the cross-pollination on technical > discussions and presentations of the NZNOG and Uniforum type is good, > just keep the membership optional. > > Checking the list of past NANOG presentations: > > http://www.nanog.org/authors.html > > Gives a great start for potentials at NZNOG 2003. Jeff > Doyle is a pretty well-known brand in networking who I'd like to see > this year. > > Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Hi All
by Robert McDonald 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

> > Fyi, Today is my last day at TelstraClear, I'm moving down country to a > > less stressful life without pagers and multi-gigabit routers ( but plenty > > of tasty snapper ) . The primary TelstraClear wholesale network engineers > > will now be Tim Harman and Matt Camp in Auckland with Mark Seward and Sid > > Jones in wellington. > > It's interesting infact that this is happenning more and more. Now that > I am unemployed, and not having much luck with finding work I am > personally thinking of enrolling in university to finally make something > of myself (in the traditional sense) after dropping out of high school > to be a geek. > I know of at least one other engineer who is now attending university > and one other that is thinking of leaving his job to finish his degree. > > I also know at least one person (other than Tony) who has moved "down > country" for the better life style (and dare I say cheaper housing > prices) offered by a rural setting. > > I think we might have what you would call "a trend" taking place here. > Has the downturn finally affected the real geeks or is it simply the > tie-wearing corpo-drones with cisco qualifications pushing us out of the > industry that we created? > Is it really that slow in the market? > > I'm interested your opinions. I hope there is stil a place in the industry for a geek like me. I'd love to leave school straight into any kind of geek position. I am not one who likes the business side of the IT industry. I just wanna play with cool stuff. - Although the way it's going i'll be 5 years out of uni with a few certs as well before i get employed in any position with responsibility. Oh well such is life. What 16yo Dreams of upgrading his 486dialup router to a cisco with gigibit fibre. Who's bedroom hums like the server room of a large ISP? - without aircon! (probly because of the switch that howls and the CPU fans that are old and broken), And who cares about maintaining 100% uptime on his home lan? :D Cheers, Rob > > In the 6 years I've been in the ISP/Telco industry I have seen the New > > Zealand Internet grow from 64k links and 14.4 modems to 2.5gigabit links > > and broadband. The reliability and professionalism has also taken a > > quantum leap, and I think it is important for everyone to stop > > occasionally and appreciate how far we ( as an industry ) really come. > > Indeed. It seems like a lot has happenned since we had to manually > reset hundreds of external modems on shelves every morning. > I do have to say that I am really proud of the network engineers in this > country because even as the industry becomes more and more corporate > oriented the personalities on this list and their cohorts have created a > very real feeling of friendship and camaraderie that has made this a > great industry to work in. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Donald Neal 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Roger De Salis sent this to the list: Quoting Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net>: > I had intended this to go onto the list for discussion but missed the > reply-all button... > > > > >I'm not sure what Roger has in mind for Uniforum this year but > >I'd definately like to continue to see NZNOG and Uniforum work > >together in the interests of a single, good value conference, > >as opposed to two smaller ones. This is exactly what I had in mind, and IMHO, an individual smaller conference for Uniforum won't work. (This is my personal opinion!) Since Donald has beaten me to the punch, my current thinking is I am trying to secure a speaker from the Seattle Gigapop, to talk about Internet 2 operations overseas. The conference was intended to maintain a very strong (or stronger) networking theme. I was about to send out a Call for Papers, and maybe this is an opportune time to ask if there are any speakers people would dearly like to see. Another speaker I had in mind was a notable from Australia, to talk about their side of the ditch. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Practical stuff, I have an agreement for the Waipuna Lodge, on 10-11 and 12 July 2003, and it appears to me to be very similarly priced to the Centra last year, but it is quite a bit larger and offers opportunities for more flexibility with groups. In conclusion, wot he said. //shields on Any comments, encouragement, opinions welcome //shields off Rgds Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Re: NZNOG 2003
by Mark Foster 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

I had intended this to go onto the list for discussion but missed the reply-all button... >Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 11:58:41 +1300 >To: "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> >From: Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> >Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 > >I for one liked Uniforum and NZNOG having their linked arrangement for the >last conference, theres a lot of crossover interest there and I see there >being some merit in being able to make the one trip and cover all bases, >as it were. > >I also know that the NZ Open Source Society would most likely be quite >keen to have a presence at at least one of them as there are obviously >some crossovers there as well given the nature of OSS use among Network >Professionals... > >I'm not sure what Roger has in mind for Uniforum this year but id >definately like to continue to see NZNOG and Uniforum work together in the >interests of a single, good value conference, as opposed to two smaller ones. > >At 11:43 9/01/2003 +1300, you wrote: >>In July of last year I posted to this list asking people to express their >>preferences between one of two different formats for an NZNOG gathering >>for this year. As I described them then, the options were: >> > >*snipped* - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG 2003
by Tim John 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Hi Donald, I thoroughly enjoyed last years Uniforum and intend going to the next one, regardless of venue and, hopefully, cost. Although the raw talent from Kiwi speakers is high (as we found out last year), I would still look forward to attending some presentations by our international peers. If the Hamilton location puts a shadow on this, perhaps the Auckland venue should be given more consideration. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2003 11:43 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: NZNOG 2003 In July of last year I posted to this list asking people to express their preferences between one of two different formats for an NZNOG gathering for this year. As I described them then, the options were: "1/ UniForum NZ Roger De Salis has volunteered to act as convenor for next year's UniForum NZ conference. In general terms, his intention is to stage a conference similar in structure to this year's, though with Linux content much more focussed toward a business audience, and in general a stronger programme. NZNOG would be welcome to participate on more or less the same basis as this year, though presumably making up a smaller proportion of a larger conference. This would probably be at around the same time of year and probably in Auckland. 2/ The University of Waikato The University of Waikato have offered to host a NZNOG gathering, to be held at their main campus in Hamilton. This would be a stand-alone event, with the university providing administrative staff time for registrations and the like. No decision has been made as to when this would be. If held outside university terms, e.g. in February, accommodation on campus would be available at a cost of approximately $35 per night. There would be a cost for the venue, but this would be well below the rate a hotel would charge. The Hamilton option is likely to have a significantly lower cost. It is possible that a university setting would discourage sponsors, who provided a good number of overseas speakers this year. On the other hand, the likely venue photographs well and we haven't asked them yet." I received exactly one clear statement of a preference. A subsequent posting by Tony McGregor confirmed that he was confident that a gathering at The University of Waikato could keep its registration fee very low, possibly as low as zero. I know that Roger De Salis has continued to work on content for a UniForum conference, and intends a Next-Generation Internet stream for that. I'd like now to hear back from people who would actually plan to attend one or other if it were offered a) whether they have a clear preference for one format or the other, and b) whether they're in a position to do any work towards making something happen. If you're making a general comment, by all means send it to the list, but please send statements of personal preference just to me. I plan to summarise feedback more or less as I receive it. - Donald Neal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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rsm.govt.nz mail probs?
by Andy Gardner 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Anyone else having trouble getting mail to rsm.govt.nz ? ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <info(a)rsm.govt.nz> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 <info(a)rsm.govt.nz>... Host unknown (Name server: rsm.govt.nz: no data known) -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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visibility of 202.41.136.0/22 within NZ
by Joe Abley 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Hey, If BGP-aware people here have a spare minute, could they check the paths (if any) corresponding to 202.41.136.0/22 in their RIBs, and send me some mail about them? This is a new allocation from APNIC, and I'm trying to figure out whether there is more work to be done before it exists reasonably in peoples' filters. Private mail is good. No need to pollute the list. Thanks, Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Work for beer
by Andy Linton 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

Much as I am enjoying the summer weather I find I need money to buy beer. (Yes, this is shallow attempt to meet the requirements of the AUP.) So if you have some work you think I could tackle for you over the next few weeks/months, I'd love to hear from you. For those of you who don't know me, I have extensive experience with Unix systems and designing, building and running IP networks with AARNet, connect.com.au, Telecom Xtra, Netlink and Telstra-XXXX. andy - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This posting, or one like it, is sent to all subscribers each month. NZNOG held a face to face gathering as part of the UniForum NZ conference in 2002, and is likely to hold another face to face gathering this year. It doesn't hold other national face to face meetings, but see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has just under four hundred addresses subscribed, increasing by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the mailing lists described below. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The Bogon Reference Page
by Rob Thomas 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] Many of you have requested a variety of methods for obtaining a list of the bogon prefixes. I have added several additional methods of tracking the bogon prefixes, and I'm also happy to add that two folks have volunteered to be part of the effort. Thanks to Dave Deitrich (bigdave(a)cymru.com) and Steve Gill (gillsr(a)cymru.com) for the assistance! You can now track the bogons through HTTP, e-mail (here and elsewhere), DNS, RADb, and BGP. Feel free to use some or all of these options. They are all detailed in the Bogon Reference Page found here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/ Thanks to John Payne, Jared Mauch, Boyan Krosnov, Eddy Dreger, Hank Nussbacher, and Rafi Sadowsky for the feedback and ideas! Comments and feedback are always welcome. Help stamp out bogons and bogus ASNs! :) Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New nz.* newsgroup - nz.soc.maori
by Simon Lyall 28 Dec '02

28 Dec '02

[ Can you pass it onto your local usenet admin in case the group isn't created automaticly on your local server ] I've just created the new newgroup nz.soc.maori after a vote last week came out in favour of it being created. For your newsgroups file: nz.soc.maori Discussion of Maori related topics and issues. Also a little advanced notice that nz.org.isocnz will probably be removed in a week or two. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Bogus ASN tracking
by Rob Thomas 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] Bogon prefixes aren't the only bits of garbage one will find in the Internet routing table. There are also bogus (unallocated, reserved, and private) ASNs to be found therein. Please take a moment to check my Bogus ASN Report. I have recently enhanced it a bit to include the full path and better tracking. The report is updated hourly, and you will find it here: http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html Comments and feedback are always welcome! Thanks! Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: New Zealand found guilty of Reverse Domain Name Hijacking
by Frank March 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

No, it is not the reverse of newzealand.biz. Neither arbitrator ruled in favour of the New Zealand case. With newzealand.biz the reallocation occured by default (the respondent did not put up an argument). If you read the arbitrator's comments, it is clear that he did not support the NZ case at all. The newzealand.com decision is quite consistent with the other, if just a little more outspoken. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Leader [mailto:exe.dir(a)internetnz.net.nz] Sent: Friday, 20 December 2002 11:21 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: New Zealand found guilty of Reverse Domain Name Hijacking Hi Good grief - the reverse of the rather bizarre newzealand.biz ruling! It's really nice to have a *Uniform* Dispute Resolution Policy provided by ICANN, ne? At 14:21 19/12/2002, you wrote: >http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0754.html > >Thank you for playing. Feeling stupid yet? > Whoever has to tell Her Majesty may well be! ;-> - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New Zealand found guilty of Reverse Domain Name Hijacking
by Andy Gardner 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0754.html Thank you for playing. Feeling stupid yet? -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Various LoTR streaming feeds...
by Simon Blake 17 Dec '02

17 Dec '02

are coming out of 203.118.144.0/24 this afternoon. Unfortunately, IHUG may have some capacity issues out of Wellington (at least, we're currently spraying 80Mb/s into WIX, and there's only 5Mb going out IHUG's port :-(. Those on WIX peering with the route servers, if you could listen to 203.118.144.0/24 coming out of ASN9439, your users should get a more direct path to the cameras. www.wellingtonnz.com has links to the cameras, if you're interested. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Bogon announcement list
by Rob Thomas 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have received this post in other fora. ] At the behest of several requestors, we have created a new, one-way list solely for the announcement of new IP prefix allocations to the sundry RIRs. The posts will include the allocated prefix, allocation date, the RIR(s) involved, and pointers to the documents we (Steve Gill, Barry Greene, and Rob Thomas) update when such allocations are made. These announcements will be made as we detect such allocations. The list is moderated by Steve Gill, Barry Greene, Jared Mauch, and Rob Thomas. It is open to anyone who wishes to subscribe. Aliases are welcome to subscribe. To subscribe to the list, please visit the following URL: http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/bogon-announce A mini-FAQ: 1. Why form yet another list? I already receive enough e-mail. We share your pain. :) Such a list will help some folks to automagically process, filter, or file such announcements. 2. How do you know about new allocations from IANA to the RIRs? We have a cronjob that diffs the list on a daily basis. 3. How soon after the allocation is made will you announce it? In some cases our release will be coordinated with the RIR. In other cases it will be made as soon as we detect it. In all cases it will be made as quickly as possible. Please note that all of the monitoring and templates will be updated as soon as the allocation is detected. 4. What sort of message volume can I expect on the list? Messages will only be posted to the list when new allocations are made. 5. Does this mean you won't send these updates to several other lists? No. We will continue to send e-mail to a variety of lists when allocations are made. 6. Sheesh, where do you find the time for such things? Have you no social life? Nope, none at all. :) Thanks! Steve, Barry, Jared, Rob, your bogon-announce list administrators. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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illegal characters in DNS names ?
by Steve Phillips 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Has anyone else received a spam recently offering new domain names with "illegal" characters in the domain name ? apparently under the .bz TLD, try a host lookup on http://www.b&w.bz -- Steve Systems Admin, ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Updates - Ingress Prefix Filter Templates
by Barry Raveendran Greene 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

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Re: APNIC Training in New Zealand - 10 Dec 2002
by Simon Blake 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hi Folks. First up, a big thank you to Miwa, Elly and Nurani for the excellent presentation this morning in Wellington - as an APNIC newbie, I found it really helpful. Likewise two thumbs up to Bill Woodcock for the thought provoking discussion in the afternoon on the mechanics and politics of peering - those of you who haven't had a chance to listen to Bill, I suggest you buttonhole him when he's in Auckland next week, if you feed him beer he's sure to regale you with his doughnut theory of peering failure :-). Lastly, an marvelous job of overcatering by the folks at Datacom - ta muchly! Best $100 seminar I've been to in a long, long time. Keeping this vaguely operational, Bill has started the INOC-DBA system http://www.pch.net/inoc-dba/ Simplistically, it means that you crank up a Cisco 7960 phone, configure it to use Bill's server, and you get dial-an-ASN - ring an ASN, and with any luck it'll ring on the desk of somebody who might have something sensible to say about the ASN you just rang: -- "One of the benefits of this network which is most frequently cited by its users is the fact that callers are pre-screened for clue. Calls cannot enter the network from the outside PSTN. We would like to maintain that high ratio of signal to noise in order to keep the utility of the network as high as possible for its users." -- It seems to me to be a great idea, and not just because Bill has slapped a 7960 down on my desk to try it out :-). Bill is installing the phone at Citylink tomorrow (Tuesday) morning - anybody else interested in testing this while Bill is in town, grab a phone and send ASN/IP/Contact/MAC details through ASAP. Cheers Si On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:22:03PM +1000, Champika Wijayatunga said: > > Dear APNIC Member, > > APNIC is pleased to announce that we are planning to have a training > course in New Zealand on 10 December 2002 on "Effective IP > Address Management: Asia-Pacific Policies and Procedures". > > The APNIC training courses are currently offered on a sponsored basis to > APNIC members and it is subsidised for them. But non-members are also > welcome and however, they are usually charged a slightly higher fee. > > Basically these charges are to recover our costs on a non-profit basis. > Previously this training course fee has ranged from 'No charge' to > USD75.00 (charged in local currency) depending on the location & the > sponsorships. Training materials, Lunch and refreshments will be provided. > > We would like to get the input from APNIC members regarding this training. > We greatly appreciate if you could answer the following few questions and > send it to us. Please note that this is NOT a registration form. This > information is considered for our evaluation purposes only. > > * Your name & e-mail id: > > * Your company / APNIC Account name: > > * Are you interested in attending this training? Yes/No > > * How many participants will attend from your organisation? > > * Would you like to assist us in sponsoring this training? Yes/No > If so in which way? (ex: providing a training venue, lunch & > refreshments for the participants etc.) > If you are interested in sponsorships please let us know, so that we > can update you about the sponsorship benefits. > > * Any suggestion for a location(city)/hotel? > > * Are you aware of any Internet related conference happening in New > Zealand during December 2002 ? > > * Other comments > > Thank you for your cooperation ! > > We look forward to hearing from you soon. > > Warmest Regards, > Champika. > _____________________________________________________________________ > Champika Wijayatunga, Training Manager <champika(a)apnic.net> > Asia Pacific Network Information Centre phone: +61 7 3858 3100 > http://www.apnic.net fax: +61 7 3858 3199 > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Domainz spams entire .nz whois database
by Tim John 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

> However, competitors like 2day.com are in effect disadvantaged by this, > because they may want to offer their services as well, but they're not > in the same position as Domainz, and don't have existing relationships > with .nz name holders. But surely that is at the discretion of the .nz Provider - and in this instance (and there are reasons), 2Day.com have not signed the accreditation agreement, so the customers are actually that of Domainz. There are a significant number of domain names in the Registry that we _know_ are customers of Peter Mott, although they have registered with Domainz for their domain names. We fully expect Peter to contact his customers if, no when Peter becomes a Registrar and try to move them from us. This is fair competition. I'm sure there will be many other Providers are in the same boat and will try and entice their customers (and indeed everyone else's) away from Domainz. Obviously, Domainz must try and introduce facilities to keep our customers but the new marketplace is here. People now have choice. The email distributed this morning was to name holders of domain names that are directly billed by Domainz. How can this be spam ? Tim -----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2002 11:48 a.m. To: Matt Brown Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz spams entire .nz whois database On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Matt Brown wrote: > Interesting to note that the individual who started this thread is now > a competitor to Domainz. I think it's a tricky one: it's fair to say that Domainz has an existing relationship with .nz name holders and thus, as you say, can communicate with its customers. However, competitors like 2day.com are in effect disadvantaged by this, because they may want to offer their services as well, but they're not in the same position as Domainz, and don't have existing relationships with .nz name holders. They'd be spamming if they were to try the same thing, basically. -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Whois Server
by Ewen McNeill 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

In message <000101c29e78$9888ee10$0800a8c0(a)roadshow.org>, "Steve Winter" writes: >Was I asleep the day that someone mentioned that whois.domainz.net.nz no >longer existed, or is it simply a temporary situation this afternoon >that prevents me from getting anything useful from there...??...if it's >gone, can anyone point me in the direction of an alternative for the .nz >domain space.. whois.srs.net.nz That talks directly to the SRS database using the SRS Registrar/Registry protocol. The output format is similar, but different from the Domainz one; the format is documented at: http://dnc.org.nz/content/srs-whois-spec.html (A quick test suggests that the fix for the bug that Joe Abley mentioned to me (regarding timezone formatting) has gone live.) Last I heard whois.domainz.net.nz was eventually going to be pointed at the whois.srs.net.nz server (because "whois.domainz.net.nz" is hardcoded as a name into some whois clients), but AFAIK that hasn't been done yet. It appears that whois.domainz.net.nz is just down at present, and presumably will be back up again RSN. Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz spams entire .nz whois database
by Ewen McNeill 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

In message <3.0.6.32.20021209095454.008f6430(a)mail.igrin.co.nz>, Simon Byrnand wr ites: >At 12:51 8/12/02 -0800, Chris Wedgwood wrote: >>On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 08:06:46AM +1300, Peter Mott wrote: >>> We note that Domainz has spammed every .nz registrart promoting new >>> URL and Email redirection services to be offered in the new year. >> >>A few people claim not to have seen this... attached. > >Now EVERYONE has seen it, whether they wanted to or not ;-) My best guess is that it was sent to the Admin Contact or Technical Contact. I have three domains registered at present, and only received one copy of the message, to the address used on all the Technical Contacts, and some of the Admin Contacts. I also suspect that it probably only went to "Domainz Customers" (ie, those with names not listed against another "registrar"). Which probably makes it technically not spam (ie, existing business relationship). A note on the website might have caused less concern than a large mailout though. Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Whois Server
by Steve Winter 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

Hi, Was I asleep the day that someone mentioned that whois.domainz.net.nz no longer existed, or is it simply a temporary situation this afternoon that prevents me from getting anything useful from there...??...if it's gone, can anyone point me in the direction of an alternative for the .nz domain space.. Thanks Steve

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Re: Domainz spams entire .nz whois database
by Matt Brown 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

I personally appreciated receiving this email from Domainz and do not in any way consider it spam. I am a customer of Domainz and appreciate that Domainz are making an effort to keep me informed of the changes in the domain name system. Interesting to note that the individual who started this thread is now a competitor to Domainz. -- Matt Brown - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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GEEK.NZ
by Joe Abley 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

On Friday 30 August 2002 Dean Pemberton wrote: > Just got this back from InternetNZ re the .geek.nz submission. > > Interesting to note two things. > > 1) My request to have .geek.nz processed at the same time as .bank.nz > was > rejected. They can only apparently handle one at a time. > 2) There will be no more 2ld's until they finish a full review. > > Got in just in time but there will be no .celt.nz =( The wheels are in motion! http://geek.nznog.org/ Come, geeks! To arms! Reclaim your heritage! Add your name to the list! Stand up and be counted! etc! [obOnTopicContent: beers are on Dean if this gets the kind of voter support it so clearly deserves; developers: better not hard-code those regexes, geek.nz is coming; ISP helpdesks: prepare your staff to answer the surely massive barrage of interest in getting geek.nz domains from customers; NetOps: stand by for floods of traffic to authoritative servers as people who can't stand the excitement issue thousands of resolver requests for names under GEEK.NZ, etc, etc, etc.] GEEK.NZ CONSULTATION PROCESS BEGINS FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 6 December 2002 The first stage in the approval process for the proposed new GEEK.NZ second-level domain has begun. The office of the NZ Domain Name Commissioner has confirmed that a timetable for processing the GEEK.NZ application has been proposed, with public consultation to take place over the Christmas period. "The application for GEEK.NZ was submitted a few months ago, but we were happy to let the Domain Name Commissioner delay the approval process until the BANK.NZ application had been dealt with," confirmed Dean Pemberton, who made the initial application. The application for GEEK.NZ was made on behalf of the community technicians and engineers who built the Internet infrastructure in New Zealand over the past twenty years, and who continue to push it forward today. Despite the changing fortunes of the Internet and telecommunications industries, the technical community responsible for keeping the Internet running smoothly remains tightly knit and well-connected. "GEEK.NZ defines a distinct community of interest, just as other second-level domains do," explains Andy Linton. "However, GEEK.NZ also provides an opportunity for deploying additional, more experimental services such as DNS Security (DNSSEC) and IPv6, which are many years away from deployment in other registries, like CO.NZ." Linton sees GEEK.NZ performing a role for DNS service which is analogous to the role the high-speed, optical research network, "Internet2", provides for ISPs. "The community which GEEK.NZ serves is technical, and is driven by the development of technology in a way that the communities served by other second-level domains are not. You couldn't experiment with DNSSEC in CO.NZ without risking the quality of service that the commercial community expects, but experimentation is a way of life for the geek community," Linton added. GEEK.NZ will provide a place in the DNS where the community of technical people in New Zealand can express itself, thrive and expand. Providing recognition to the technical community in this way will allow New Zealand to demonstrate its commitment to the people who fuel the knowledge economy, and help slow the otherwise steady procession of technical people leaving the country every year. The approval process for GEEK.NZ includes a period for public consultation, which is followed by a vote conducted over the internet. Pemberton expects the NZ Domain Name Commissioner to publish the timetable for consultation this week. For more information, contact: media(a)geek.nznog.org More information on the GEEK.NZ proposal can be found at: http://geek.nznog.org/ ENDS - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Joining the team
by Andy Linton 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

Anyone who wants to help with this and get beer from Dean should look at the web site listed in Joe's posting for details. Good to see the tradition of geeks not reading the documentation lives on! (:-) Let's not fill nznog with discussion on this. andy - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New ASN allocation from IANA to RIPE
by Rob Thomas 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

Hi, NZNOG listfolk. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this note in other fora. ] As of 03 December 2002 IANA has allocated a block of formerly unallocated ASNs to RIPE. I have adjusted my monitoring accordingly, and you should review any ASN filtering or logging you have in place. The ASN ranges involved are: Was: 28672 - 32767 IANA Now: 28672 - 29695 RIPE 29696 - 32767 IANA You will find the IANA master ASN list here: http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers My ASN monitoring can be found at the following URLs: http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnreport.html http://www.cymru.com/BGP/ Comments and feedback are welcome and encouraged. Be the first (heck, even second) in your ASN to join the CREDITS section! :) Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[OT] I'm seeking work - could be stand-in while you take a holiday?
by Martin D Kealey 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but there are mouths to be fed... I'm currently seeking work/contracting/dosh-in-exchange-for-hours. So if you're looking for someone to cover for you while you enjoy the summer sunshine, I'd be happy to step up to the mark. I'm not quite your net-godfather like say Andy Linton, but I reckon I have a few clues; I can do network-adminny sorts of things, or security auditing, or programming ... or even just answering the phone and knowing what I'm talking about. I can be contacted on +64-21-637007, or by email to <martin(a)sig.net.nz>. I'm in Auckland but will travel if necessary. -Martin PS: For those don't who remember me, I was the convenor for the Uniforum conference earlier this year in Auckland, of which the NZNOG conference formed a part. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Info - Connection Speeds Outside Auckland
by Zuricka Azavedo 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hi All I am studying for my masters at AIS St. Helens. My research focuses on E-Commerce proliferation in the Wine Industry. Most companies that I have spoken with are outside Auckland and seem to suggest that the Internet connection speeds available to them are too slow to even effectively browse the Internet let alone host E-Commerce websites. Is it true that there are absolutely no connectivity issues anywhere in New Zealand, or is it Vice Versa ? Is it that higher speed telco circuits outside Auckland and Wellington are available but not affordable to most Small Businesses Can anyone please shed some light on this issue ? Also my research guide suggests that perhaps the vision of NZ being totally online and E-Commerce driven is being fuelled only by technical people who are less than 5% on the population. Is this true ? Thankyou in advance to everyone on this list Cheers Zuricka Azavedo

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New routes for tranzpeer-networks
by Matthew Poole 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Hi all. New advertisements of 202.37.64.0/24 and 202.37.65.0/24 Full prefix list attached Matthew Poole Network Engineer CallPlus, AKL, NZ DDI +64 9 919 6036 Fax +64 9 919 6037 Cell +64 21 224 6927

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Who cut off the piece of string?
by Juha Saarinen 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

>From the US West Coast: ~$ traceroute www.domainz.net.nz traceroute: unknown host www.domainz.net.nz ~$ traceroute www.idg.co.nz traceroute: unknown host www.idg.co.nz ~$ dig idg.co.nz. soa +trace ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> idg.co.nz. soa +trace ;; global options: printcmd . 162840 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. ;; Received 292 bytes from 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) in 4 ms nz. 172800 IN NS MX.NSI.NASA.GOV. nz. 172800 IN NS GORGON.XTRA.co.nz. nz. 172800 IN NS NS1.DNS.NET.nz. nz. 172800 IN NS NS2.DNS.NET.nz. nz. 172800 IN NS NS3.DNS.NET.nz. nz. 172800 IN NS NS4.DNS.NET.nz. ;; Received 258 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 125 ms co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns1.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns2.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns3.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns4.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns5.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns6.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns7.dns.net.nz. ;; Received 273 bytes from 128.102.18.31#53(MX.NSI.NASA.GOV) in 74 ms idg.co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns1.idg.co.nz. idg.co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns1.iconz.co.nz. ;; Received 101 bytes from 203.97.8.250#53(ns3.dns.net.nz) in 183 ms ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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AS9736/SRS routing (was Re: Who cut off the piece of string?)
by Ewen McNeill 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

In message <80616.1038101587(a)toybsd.zl2tnm.gen.nz>, Don Stokes writes: >Joe wrote: >>Incidentally, wasn't the original plan for AS9736 to be multi-homed? >[.... yes, but didn't happen ....] >But mainly the need was for registry services rather than the DNS. In >real life, most of the automated stuff was going via the email template, >and that could back off and retry quite happily. FWIW, the primary site for the SRS systems is currently living outside the AS9736 address space (the secondary site is in a /24 inside that space). The primary site is in a long prefix CIDR block of ex-Paradise TelstraClear address space, which is also advertised into WIX (but not APE) as a long-prefix CIDR block, and that should help to ensure availabilty at least within NZ in the face of some outages, but otherwise it's not multihomed. (Although given a number of sites don't accept routes from WIX and/or don't accept prefixes that long, it may not help _that_ much. That said, I believe the current hosts of the SRS primary site are planning a renumbering into a shorter prefix CIDR block in the next month or two, which may help.) Given that the SRS is accessed through "online queries" there's probably going to be somewhat more need for AS9736 to be multi-homed if the primary site is moved into that space as well at some point. (AFAIK there'll be less reliance on the "email template" approach once the SRS opens up to competition in early December.) Ewen PS: The APNIC info for AS9736 looks to be somewhat out of date these days, which is interesting because I had thought at least some of the NZ DNS Politics were going to lead to it being updated.... - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Who cut off the piece of string?
by Juha Saarinen 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Chris O'Donoghue wrote: > Typical I reply and it seems things are working now :( Seems so -- is it just me or are some of the dns.net.nz not responding to queries? -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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82/8 allocated to RIPE
by Rob Thomas 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

Howdy, NZNOG listfolk. [ Apologies to those of you who have received this note in other fora. ] 82/8, formerly IANA - Reserved, has been allocated to RIPE as of 23 NOV 2002. Please take the time to adjust your filters accordingly. I have updated my documents and monitoring for the new allocation. Master list of IANA IPv4 allocations http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space Bogon List http://www.cymru.com/Documents/bogon-list.html Bogon Monitoring http://www.cymru.com/BGP/robbgp-bogon.html Secure IOS Template (ported to Juniper by Steve Gill) http://www.cymru.com/Documents/secure-ios-template.html http://www.qorbit.net/documents/junos-template.pdf Secure BGP Template (ported to Juniper by Steve Gill) http://www.cymru.com/Documents/secure-bgp-template.html http://www.qorbit.net/documents/junos-bgp-template.pdf Secure BIND Template http://www.cymru.com/Documents/secure-bind-template.html Thanks! Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Whangarei colo?
by K. Anand Lal 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Are there any colo providers in the Whangarei CBD area? We're looking at housing ~16RU of kit. The facility must be secure and have temperature control. Generator backup power is desirable as is a 24/7 "arms and legs" site contact. Any leads would be appreciated. Cheers, ----------------------------------------------------------- K. Anand Lal | ph: +64.9.3592767 Senior Network & Systems Engineer | +1.310.7399323 AS7657 | fax: +64.9.3581518 | noc: +64.9.3592708 ----------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Nameserver swap request
by Lincoln Reid 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi, We are looking for someone to exchange a fairly low volume dns server with to increase our name server diversity. Our dns server is a 2U procase rackmount, we would be happy to exchange the hosting of it for a similar arrangement in a rack at our premises. Our server room is situated in Thorndon ( Wellington ) just across from the stadium with a 100mbit citylink connection, we have the usual UPS / Generator / Air conditioning etc. Traceroute to linuxnet.co.nz to get an idea of where we are placed in terms of connectivity, or alternativly email / phone me. If anyone is interested, get in touch. Cheers, -- Lincoln Reid Systems Engineer LinuxNet - AS18119 lincoln(a)linuxnet.co.nz Phone: +64 4 939 2200 Fax: +64 4 939 2201 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Another RBll listing APNIC addresses as dialups and blocking them.
by jfp 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

http://www.dnsrbl.net/index.html You might want to check your addresses and get them to fix it. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contacts for 3KB, AMP and Netsmart for APE website?
by Simon Lyall 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Just a quick request. Do anyone have a network contact for any of the above 3 companies that appear to have been recently connected to APE? , I'd like to get their details up on the Website. I tried emailing Netsmart and 3KB but no luck and I've not idea on who to contact at AMP. I've forgotten the trick for getting the nznog subscriber list. Private email would be best rather than cluttering up the list. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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