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Re: The Archives, Again
by Simon Byrnand 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

At 12:27 PM 7/12/01 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: >> So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and >> holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can >> be read at >> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and >> replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request >> of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so >> promptly and briefly. >I'm a little confused as to why they want this removed, since exactly the >same information is on domainz's web site (and would be in the whois >database if it was working). I've checked and the information doesn't >appear to have been changed between what domains has now and what is on >the archive. If the information is in a publically accessible place like domainz, then its fair game as far as I can see. The reason for wanting it removed is more likely that he's trying to keep a low profile with a potentially controversial domain name, but those that might care are no doubt already aware of it.... :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Xmas Special - Auckland
by Roger De Salis 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Final reminder - roll up, roll up for the amazing NZNOG Xmas Function Make sure you bring a business card, (or something with your name on (eg $20 bill)) due to raffling of prizes Vendors excluded from prizes... > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sh int" > RSVP to: moi Pedants amongst you have forced a revision of my original "sho int" thus revealing my extremely infrequent use of IOS. Thanks to all who have responded so far, I hope I've responded to most. Anyone who arrives after the doors close, ring the cell phone below.... Don't forget the Wellington function on > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has just over 300 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities Thanks to Cisco and Juniper for the 2001 Christmas party. The list administrator may soon start seeking to twist arms in search of contributions for a conference in late June or early July 2002. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/06/01 13:23:34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Clearnets mail servers
by Olof Olsson 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

All, > Are there any Clear mail admins on this list? We are > currently queueing > about 10,000 messages for Zfree and Clear.net. Anyone else having the > same problem? > We have been experiencing a denial-of-service attack on our incoming mail servers this afternoon. This meant that incoming mail connections were intermittently refused. The issue has been resolved, and service should now be back to normal. --Olof -- Olof Olsson <oolsson(a)clear.co.nz> System Architect, CLEAR Communications Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Clearnets mail servers
by Jesse Ball 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Hi All, Are there any Clear mail admins on this list? We are currently queueing about 10,000 messages for Zfree and Clear.net. Anyone else having the same problem? Cheers, Jesse Ball Xtra Messaging Team - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight
by David Farrar 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Couldn't resist sharing this one with those likely to be familiar with RFC 1149. Most amusing part of the news story is when the pigeon hit a window so someone commented "Windows causing problems again" :-) DPF >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:24:30 -0800 >To: jwarren(a)well.com, farber(a)cis.upenn.edu, declan(a)well.com >From: Ron Avitzur <avitzur(a)pacifict.com> >Subject: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > >Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5825807.html > >>One of the Internet's most obscure technologies came to life last >>weekend: transmitting network information by carrier pigeon. >> >>In 1990, David Waitzman wrote RFC 1149, a tongue-in-cheek standard >>for using pigeons to transfer information using the Internet >>Protocol (IP). On Saturday, a group of Linux enthusiasts in Bergen, >>Norway, succeeded in exchanging some data using the Carrier Pigeon >>Internet Protocol (CPIP). For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IP Net Broken
by John Lynch 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

I case anyone was wondering Telecoms Radius server has exploded, taking out 80% of ipnet they working on it at the moment, oh took me ages to track down the right people, there help desk number is 0800 808126. John Lynch System Administrator (string and tape specialist) Wise Net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Hi All, I seem to recall some discussion a while back about the current state of orbz and also in relation to Xtra, but I can't locate it since the archives are not searchable. (At least not the ones I found) Is anybody here using any kind of automatic spam blacklisting system like orbz with success ? By success I mean that apart from being reliable, that it cuts down a worthwhile amount of spam but without blocking legitimate stuff. I know Xtra was blacklisted for quite some time, was that ever resolved ? Am I just asking for problems even just thinking about something like this ? Comments ? Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

At 04:16 PM 3/12/01 +1300, pete clare wrote: >> Well, ORBS closed down as far as I know, and now there is ORBZ, I don't >> know the relation between the two.... > >for what it's worth someone on a list said they had luck with >http://www.ordb.org For completeness, here is the URL for orbz http://www.orbz.org/ As pointed out by others there isnt any relation between ORBS and ORBZ. (or ORDB either probably - now we're getting confusing :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Article on Slashdot, quick comments
by Chris Wedgwood 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

As seen on the worlds greatest 'Stupidity Amplifier'; slashdot: http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/11/08/0237233.shtml ikekrull asks: "After looking to see how I could set up my company's LAN to be multi-homed? , I found that it would be next-to-impossible for me to do this. 'Providerless' IP addresses are no longer allocated to anybody in this part of the world (New Zealand) by APNIC? , unless you meet requirements (financial and political) that are pretty much unmeetable by anyone but a large ISP. Does this put control of the entire internet further and further into the hands of large corporate players, and and is anyone particularly interested in changing this situation?" [...] Since this was posted by someone in New Zealand is comments on APNIC directly (of which there are employees on this list) I should point out: It is my belief, based on experience in doing just this and from dealing with APNIC for several years, that being a small ISP or network user does NOT necessarily mean you are 'shut out' in any shape or form whatsoever; you can in-fact have one or both carriers take your case(s) for multi-homing to APNIC and potentially have them allocate a /24 (or whatever is appropriate) --- this address space would not be part of the carriers CIDR block and need not give the carrier leverage over your company or network as the address space can be delegate to the end-user not the carrier. I have done this before (after discussing this with people from APNIC and conforming that this was indeed a legitimate situation), is there any reason to believe that this situation has changed radically? --cw P.S. Thinking an email address like blortnospam(a)foo.com obscures your email address is bogus and just plain annoying; please don't do it people, many email address acquiring 'bots know of such patterns and will correct for them anyhow. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Citylink FTP & AONL
by Ben Martel 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

FYI, There is also a mirror of ftp.debian.org here: ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/mirror/ftp.debian.org/ ~benm > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 9:28 a.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: Citylink FTP & AONL > > > It shouldn't be getting filtered at APE, but we did ask AOL to stick a > block on for whatever they defined as international traffic (which I > suspect included most Global Gateway customers, due to peering > difficulties at the time). The 5 figure monthly bills for > international > data to a public-good service for the NZ net community was > just getting > a bit more than we could bear... > > It'll be fixed when icafe go onto WIX, but in the meantime if > you could > send through a full traceroute of the path you take to 210.48.103.6, > I'll check it out. Leaning on your upstream provider to join WIX is > worthwhile as well. > > Cheers > Si > > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 11:40:37PM +1300, James Spooner said: > > > > > > > > icafe:~# host ftp.nz.debian.org > > ftp.nz.debian.org CNAME ftp.citylink.co.nz > > ftp.citylink.co.nz A 210.48.103.6 > > > > > > 23:36:27.802471 icafe.44069 > > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz.ftp: S 2511414778:2511414778(0) > win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 466231697[|tcp]> (DF) > > 23:36:27.816580 asiaonlinenz.ape.net.nz > icafe: icmp: host > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz unreachable - admin prohibited filter > > > > ftp.citylink.co.nz seems to be pointing at one of AONL's > IPs, which seems > > to be filtered on port 21 at APE. > > > > Could the relevant network admins clarify please? > > > > Regards > > > > James Spooner > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > James Spooner WAND Group - > University of Waikato NZ > > Networks Lab - G.1.03 WWW: > http://wand.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jbs3 > > Phone: +64 7 8384466 extn 6728 Email: > jbs3(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz > > Mobile: +64 21 447 638 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to > majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Asia Online prefix-list update
by David Fox 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

All those who peer with Asia Online can you please remove 202.50.16.0/21 The current prefix-list is: ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 le 18 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.36.76.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 210.54.0.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 138.235.0.0/16 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 203.9.179.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 203.9.180.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 210.185.16.0/20 le 21 Thanks and Regards David Fox - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Citylink FTP & AONL
by James Spooner 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

icafe:~# host ftp.nz.debian.org ftp.nz.debian.org CNAME ftp.citylink.co.nz ftp.citylink.co.nz A 210.48.103.6 23:36:27.802471 icafe.44069 > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz.ftp: S 2511414778:2511414778(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 466231697[|tcp]> (DF) 23:36:27.816580 asiaonlinenz.ape.net.nz > icafe: icmp: host ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz unreachable - admin prohibited filter ftp.citylink.co.nz seems to be pointing at one of AONL's IPs, which seems to be filtered on port 21 at APE. Could the relevant network admins clarify please? Regards James Spooner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Spooner WAND Group - University of Waikato NZ Networks Lab - G.1.03 WWW: http://wand.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jbs3 Phone: +64 7 8384466 extn 6728 Email: jbs3(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Mobile: +64 21 447 638 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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beer?
by Dean Pemberton 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

It's in the AUB so I'm allowed to talk about it. I'm in Auckland this week so anyone want to get together for a drink? I know that the nznog xmassy thing is on Wednesday but thats like all of 3 days away. Drop an email if you are keen. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Microsoft taking password security a little too seriously.
by Matt Camp 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q276/3/04.ASP --- Matt Camp - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ prefix usage
by David Miller 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Further to the recent discussions on prefix portability, I thought the list would be interested in this survey conducted by CAIDA, one of our research partners in the US: http://www.caida.org/analysis/geopolitical/bgp2country/ -- David Miller, BCMS (Hons) Dept. Computer Science, Waikato University, NEW ZEALAND. Mobile: +64-21-704-djm Email my mobile phone (free): Fax: +64-21-304-djm http://www.mtnsms.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet BGP Filters Update
by Craig Whitmore 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi.... Can everyone who is peering with Orcon Internet Please update your BGP lists/filters to allow the additional networks: AS: 17746 IP: 192.203.154.66 and 192.203.154.67 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.50.124.0/22 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.90.0/24 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.91.0/24 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.92.0/22 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.244.0/22 Thanks Craig Whitmore Systems Administrator Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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provider independant IP allocations
by Drew Whittle 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

A client of ours has a provider independant assignment in the 203.0.0.0 to 203.63.255.255 range. I know that this was originally an allocated block to AUNIC in Australia, but with the switch back to APNIC the client now wants to know if they can use them here in New Zealand? I haven't managed to work out what is routable here in New Zealand and what isn't, anyone able to provider further information? (Yes I know that just because it is provider independant doesn't mean that upstream providers will route it) Thanks, Drew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: nznog archives
by Chris Wedgwood 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:33:52AM +1300, Lindsay Druett wrote: Unedited and fully intact ? Yes, unless I decide to mess with them --- perhaps blur evidence of my horrendous spelling and poor grammar :) --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: provider independant IP allocations
by cfb 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

Juha Saarinen wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > > > Ironically NZ is probably cheaper than the US for bandwidth now (for > > home users and small businesses certainly). And by and large the > > quality of service is no worse. > > :::BOGGLE::: What? How? Eh? When did this happen? Hang on... oh... you > mean to a select few, Not even... last time I priced provider bandwidth, it was on par with Japan, which is the most has the most expensive bandwidth of those countries who's telcos aren't "state owned/run". Things may have changed significantly with the landing of the southern cross cable, but I doubt it. I have been seeing some *really* odd routing using the visual traceroute utility going through NZ... I pray to god that some of the apparent pathing is due to stale DNS LOC records and/or a dated APNIC allocation db (I suppose it *might* be due to economics), cause what I've been seeing is completely whacky. > and not to the great unwashed Internet users, who > are still paying through every possible orifice for a basic broadband > service sans SLAs. Even Japan has tossed per-miniute billing for internet use and *nobody* of any significance does usage based billing (well, maybe parts of Europe and Ireland). The most recent curious thing to pop up (in Japan) is flat-rate 64kbps wireless access (and the kicker is that compaq flash is the primary form factor for access devices). I cringe whenever I see somebody downunder writing about international IP traffic settlement fees. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nznog archives
by Chris Wedgwood 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

I have (somewhere or other) nznog archives for the last two or three years (I dunno, a while anyhow). It occurred to me people might want these for easy reference or whatever; if so, let me know and I'll sort something out... (probably just email them to you as I'm lazy). --cw P.S. I also have isoncnz, linux-kernel, zebra, nanog and various other lists archives away on various disks spread across various hemispheres. If there is enough interested I will resurrect these and perhaps make them available. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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News from IDG
by Juha Saarinen 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

In case you haven't seen it already... http://makeashorterlink.com/?M3FD10F2 -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: News from IDG
by Donald Neal 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

>>> "Te Aroha" <tearoha(a)maxnet.co.nz> 11/27/01 10:18 >>> >Regardless I think it could set an Ugly precendent if he succeeds in what he >wants. Archives are Archives. Perhaps he is secretly enjoying the notoriety. Or not very secretly. How about we all treat this as an individual seeking notoriety and not consume yet more bandwith with it? I undertake to advise the list if I hear from the Office of the Privacy Commissioner. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Autoresponders
by Michael Hallager 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Could lake(a)clear.co.nz and baptista(a)pccf.net fix their issues. It is annoying posting to a list to get peoples autoreponders. Michael Hallager

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Co-Location wanted. (Southland)
by Michael Hallager 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi all, I am seeking co-location and/or a frame relay link in the invecargill area. If am after a reasonable price or may be prepared to swap for co-location in the Auckland area. Please email me offlist with your phone number and area code. Last of all, I am only interested in hearing from people that can techspeak. michael(a)vivid.net.nz Michael Hallager

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No guarantees over JetStream fixes
by Craig Whitmore 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Something more from Telecom about Jetstream Fixes http://www.idg.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/771A7624F65F5A2CCC256B0B00144ED4!opend ocument Thanks Craig Whitmore http://www.nzdsl.co.nz New Zealand DSL Information - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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VPN 5001 For Sale
by Thomas Salmen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

If anyone is interested in purchasing a VPN 5001 Concentrator, I have one for sale. Please contact me off-list. -- Regards, Thomas Salmen System Administrator Radionet Ltd. 72 Paul Matthews Road Albany, Auckland, New Zealand Ph: +64 9 4140 300 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by Juha Saarinen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Apologies again for the wrapped output, but would I be right in thinking that there's a problem between hop 5 and 6 in the below mtr trace to www.telecom.co.nz? Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst 1. 210.48.100.1 0% 27 27 1 1 2 5 2. s0.ts9.ak.nz.asiaonline.net 0% 27 27 12 12 14 37 3. f0-0.core2.ak.nz.asiaonline.net 0% 27 27 11 11 14 32 4. netgate.ape.net.nz 0% 26 26 41 11 17 49 5. bis-dom.akcr5.netgate.net.nz 0% 26 26 12 12 18 58 6. 210.48.100.1 100% 0 26 0 0 0 0 7. 146.171.18.242 0% 26 26 18 14 20 68 -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by David Fox 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Rather than post to a public forum, I suggest logging a problem with the Help Desk may result in speedier investigation/resolution. :) Thanks David Fox Network Engineer Internet Corporate Solutions trading as Asia Online -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 09:43 To: J S Russell Cc: NZNOG Subject: Re: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing... On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Oh well... guess Telecom's Web was designed to load at ~5 minutes per page > then. ^ site -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by Juha Saarinen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

No, don't worry about it David... I was just trying to satisfy my own curiosity here, not report a problem. On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, David Fox wrote: > Rather than post to a public forum, I suggest logging a problem with the > Help Desk may result in speedier investigation/resolution. :) > > Thanks David Fox > Network Engineer > Internet Corporate Solutions trading as Asia Online -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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No packet loss at Telstra
by Juha Saarinen 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

I gather that my message was taken wrong way, and seen as an attack on the integrity of TSNZ's network operations[1]. The problem wasn't in Telstra's network, I read the mtr output wrongly, and many apologies for that. Now back to the regular programming. -- Regards, Juha Removing sig! For great justice! [1] This is not to say that all list members took the message the wrong way of course, only a few of the prickly variety. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Problems with Southern Cross to Aussie?
by mat＠voyager.co.nz 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Yep, I note also from Optus -> Xtra has high latency as well Performing trace to www.xtra.co.nz... 1 FastEth8-1-0.sb1.optus.net.au (192.168.34.2) 1.837 ms 4.475 ms 0.901 ms 2 GigEth12-0-0.ap1.optus.net.au (202.139.191.20) 1.043 ms 1.014 ms 1.080 ms 3 telecomnz1.sb2.optus.net.au (202.139.128.98) 181.836 ms 181.795 ms 182.613 ms 4 p1-1.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.161) 181.142 ms 185.291 ms 181.251 ms 5 * * * Also Does anyone know if Telstra uses SX across the Tasman? At 11:38 AM 20/11/2001 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 mat(a)voyager.co.nz wrote: >> Anyone else having rather large pings/traces to anything in Australia? >> And/Or does anyone know if there is something wrong with Southern Cross at >> present? > >Have you tried to open up a ticket with Voyager or Alter.Net? > >Simon. > >> >> host01% traceroute www.ozemail.com.au >> traceroute to www.ozemail.com.au (203.108.7.50) from >> host01.net.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.126), 40 hops max, 40 byte packets >> 1 r1.akl2.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.97) 0.614 ms 0.505 ms 0.533 ms >> 2 r0.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz (203.21.24.87) 0.944 ms 1.044 ms 0.858 ms >> 3 64.ATM2-0-0.GW2.SYD2.ALTER.NET (203.166.42.237) 180.907 ms 179.682 ms >> 179.576 ms >> 4 422.at-6-0-0.XR1.SYD2.Alter.Net (210.80.3.93) 180.959 ms 181.712 ms >> 181.544 ms >> 5 0.SO-5-0-0.XR1.SYD4.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.222) 182.636 ms 182.008 ms >> 180.767 ms >> 6 so-0-0-1.XR2.SYD3.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.10) 180.619 ms 180.542 ms >> 182.835 ms >> 7 412.ATM8-0-0.GW1.SYD3.Alter.Net (210.80.3.158) 182.168 ms 182.160 ms >> 181.534 ms >> 8 500.ATM1-0.BORDER3.SYD.OZEMAIL.NET.AU (203.166.16.38) 182.626 ms >> 183.300 ms 182.381 ms >> 9 core1-fe4-0-0.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.190.153) 182.510 ms 184.192 >> ms 183.550 ms >> 10 agg2-access-fe2-1.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.0.50) 185.134 ms >> 187.109 ms 184.788 ms >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> where the body of your message reads: >> unsubscribe nznog >> > >-- >Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz >Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz >ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > > Matt Law Network Engineer Voyager NZ Ltd DDI +649 4439 443 PGP Public Key available http://www.voyager.co.nz/~mat/public-key.asc - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Problems with Southern Cross to Aussie?
by mat＠voyager.co.nz 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Anyone else having rather large pings/traces to anything in Australia? And/Or does anyone know if there is something wrong with Southern Cross at present? host01% traceroute www.ozemail.com.au traceroute to www.ozemail.com.au (203.108.7.50) from host01.net.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.126), 40 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 r1.akl2.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.97) 0.614 ms 0.505 ms 0.533 ms 2 r0.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz (203.21.24.87) 0.944 ms 1.044 ms 0.858 ms 3 64.ATM2-0-0.GW2.SYD2.ALTER.NET (203.166.42.237) 180.907 ms 179.682 ms 179.576 ms 4 422.at-6-0-0.XR1.SYD2.Alter.Net (210.80.3.93) 180.959 ms 181.712 ms 181.544 ms 5 0.SO-5-0-0.XR1.SYD4.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.222) 182.636 ms 182.008 ms 180.767 ms 6 so-0-0-1.XR2.SYD3.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.10) 180.619 ms 180.542 ms 182.835 ms 7 412.ATM8-0-0.GW1.SYD3.Alter.Net (210.80.3.158) 182.168 ms 182.160 ms 181.534 ms 8 500.ATM1-0.BORDER3.SYD.OZEMAIL.NET.AU (203.166.16.38) 182.626 ms 183.300 ms 182.381 ms 9 core1-fe4-0-0.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.190.153) 182.510 ms 184.192 ms 183.550 ms 10 agg2-access-fe2-1.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.0.50) 185.134 ms 187.109 ms 184.788 ms - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NT help required urgently
by PhoneNet 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

I have a customer who needs to recover or remove passwords from an NT installation. I will explain fully off-list to anyone who can help. Ian Cousins Director, PhoneNet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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System Outage 9th December
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

On the 9th December there will be planned maintenance work carried out on the drs replicated site in Auckland. This will require a system outage of approximately two hours, between 06:00hrs and 08:00hrs, to resynchronise the databases. During this time email templates will continue to be received but will not be processed until after the work is finished. The whois will be available but the web site will not. I apologise for the inconvenience. Many thanks Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NT help required urgently
by Michael Bordignon 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

heh > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] > Sent: Friday, 16 November 2001 3:02 PM > To: Chris Wedgwood > Cc: PhoneNet; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NT help required urgently > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 03:02:42PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > > There are linux boot disks which frob the registry and reset the > > administrator password > > > > http://www.nttoolbox.com/ > > > > for more details. > > Alternatively you could just boot from a DOS floppy and make > appropriate > use of the "fdisk" and "format" commands. Should remove any passwords > which are present quite efficiently. > > > Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Thanks Jean-Francois, Arron and Bart...
by Juha Saarinen 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

... got something to go on now. Unfortunately, the boy zapped my multimeter with an experiment in piezo-electricity (@#$#@!!! school projects!) so it's a bit tricky to work out which pin goes where. -- Regards, Juha Removing sig! For great justice! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ISP Forum - forwarded from InternetNZ
by Donald Neal 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Greetings InternetNZ's major conference for the year will be held on Nov 29 and 30 at the Ellerslie Novotel, Auckland. The Forum will focus on the changes to the legislative environment in NZ, Industry Self- regulation, and possible impacts post-September 11. All members are cordially invited to attend - full details and link to online registration can be found via the What's Hot link or direct at: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/Internet-Industry- Forum_Agenda011105.html Forum costs: InternetNZ members NZ$100 (GST inc) Non-members NZ$160 (GST inc) APNIC will run a training session for ISP's on Nov 28 at the same venue - details on site. Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director InternetNZ Voice: +64-4-472-1600 Fax: +64-4-472-1207 Level 4, Hibernian Building, 89 Willis Street (P.O.Box 11-881) Wellington http://www.isocnz.org.nz -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Oops should read 'the relicated site'. Thanks for the proof reading Juha .... Cheers Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew McGhie - Domainz > Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2001 16:50 > To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Subject: Emergency Outage > > > Unfortunately the replicated sight in Auckland has lost > synchronisation which will mean that we need to take the drs > down for about an hour and a half after zone push this > evening. The email template will continue to queue but the > web site will be unavailable. > > I apologise for the lateness of the notification and the > inconvenience. > > Cheers > > Andrew > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Unfortunately the replicated sight in Auckland has lost synchronisation which will mean that we need to take the drs down for about an hour and a half after zone push this evening. The email template will continue to queue but the web site will be unavailable. I apologise for the lateness of the notification and the inconvenience. Cheers Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Any phone wiring gurus on the list?
by Juha Saarinen 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Scratching my head here... how does Telecom wire the phone cables? I've got a Rentel 410, with an RJ-11C at the phone end, and a BT jack at the other end. I'd like to plug that into the modem pass-through phone port, and the modem into the wall jack, to connect to the PSTN </obNetworkContent>. The modem pass-through port is RJ-11C. If I look at modem-to-wall cables, known to work, they use the red/green pair only. Although the RJ-11C connector has six pins on those, as opposed to the four-pin variety used for the Rentel phone, physically, the connectors for the red/green pair are in the same place. However, plugging the modem cable into the phone produces no dialtone. Does Telecom use more than the red/green pair? -- Regards, Juha Removing sig! For great justice! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Real Engineering
by Roger De Salis 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

I thought this was sufficiently interesting from an engineering, economic and topicality perspective to merit a post. Basically another nail in the coffin of the myth that the PSTN is more reliable than the Internet. R >>November 12, 2001 >> >>THE COMMUNICATIONS >> >>Afghan Phone Links Are an American Legacy >> >>By SIMON ROMERO >> >>While the Soviet-built conventional telephone network in Afghanistan >>has suffered significant damage in recent bombing raids, a more >>sophisticated telecommunications system built by a United States >>company in the late 1990's remains in service and is an important >>link to the outside world, according to a report expected to be >>released today. >> >>The system is operated by the Afghan Wireless Communication Company, >>which grew out of a venture between the Afghan Ministry of >>Communications, controlled by the Taliban, and Telephone Systems >>International of Mount Olive, N.J. Afghan Wireless provides service >>in the Afghan capital Kabul and the city of Kandahar, the Taliban's >>political base in the south. >> >>Afghan Wireless, which is now entirely controlled by officials in >>Kabul linked to the Taliban, continues to provide local, long >>distance and international calling services, according to a report by >>Pyramid Research, a company in Cambridge, Mass., that focuses on >>telecommunications in developing countries. >> >>The endurance of Afghan Wireless's operations is the latest chapter >>of involvement in Afghan telecommunications services since 1998 by >>United States and British investors. Telephone Systems International, >>the New Jersey company that initiated the investment, exited the >>venture in 1999 after the United States banned Americans from doing >>business in Afghanistan. >> >>It is not clear why the United States' bombing of Afghanistan has >>left Afghan Wireless's network still functioning relatively well, >>given its strategic importance to the Taliban. The Defense Department >>declined to comment specifically on Afghan Wireless or its network. >> >>"If something is a military target, it's liable to go down," said Lt. >>Col. Ken McClellan, a spokesman for the Defense Department. "If it's >>not considered a military target, then it won't go down." >> >>Afghan Wireless generates about $1.8 million a year in revenue, >>assuming that the government, its main client, pays its bills. The >>company uses relatively inexpensive technology, which is wireless but >>not mobile. Customers have what appears to be standard telephone >>service at their homes or other fixed locations. But the signals are >>carried by a network of wireless transmission towers and switches, >>said Joseph Braude, a senior analyst with Pyramid Research. >> >>"Afghan Wireless has provided the Afghan government and >>nongovernmental organizations with a less expensive alternative to >>satellite telephones," Mr. Braude said in an interview. >> >>After the United States imposed sanctions in 1999 on trade and >>investment in the parts of Afghanistan under Taliban control, >>Telephone Systems International sought approval from the Treasury >>Department to continue doing business in Afghanistan, according to a >>letter from Michele R. Hart, the company's lawyer, to the Treasury's >>Office of Foreign Assets Control. >> >>According to a copy of the letter, Ms. Hart provided the Treasury >>with details of Telephone Systems International's investors, which >>included Ehsan Bayat, an Afghan migr living in New York, and the >>Wilken Group, a holding company with telecommunications investments >>in several East African countries. >> >>The Wilken Group's own investors include Lord Michael Cecil, a member >>of a prominent English family. Lord Michael's dealings in >>Afghanistan, which included pulling together investors for Aghan >>Wireless, is described in the current issue of Talk Magazine. >> >>Ms. Hart also said in her letter that Telephone Systems International >>had signed agreements with DeTeSat, a unit of Germany's Deutsche >>Telekom, for the supply of satellite receiving and transmitting >>equipment and with TMB Systems of Britain to buy telephone exchanges. >> >>Such deals by American and European telecommunications companies are >>common in the developing world, even in the poorest countries. But >>Telephone Systems International's involvement in Afghanistan raised >>eyebrows when it reached a deal with the Taliban to build a network >>in 1998. >> >>Gary Breshinsky, a former investor in Telephone Systems >>International, said the company signed an agreement with the Taliban >>in September 1999 at the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul. At the >>time, the White House said it looked favorably on the project as a >>way to ease the controls the Taliban had imposed on Afghanistan's >>communications with the rest of the world. >> >>"We were providing one of the poorest countries on the planet with a >>state-of-the-art telephone network," Mr. Breshinsky, who lives in >>Hackettstown, N.J., said in an interview. "The old network left >>behind by the Russians was atrocious." >> >>Mr. Breshinsky, a former satellite- telephone salesman, said he ended >>his involvement with Telephone Systems International soon after the >>United States imposed sanctions against Afghanistan. >> >>Mr. Bayat and Lord Michael, the other foreign investors in Telephone >>Systems International, could not be reached for comment. Telephone >>Systems International stopped work on the project in July 1999, >>according to a news release on Afghan Wireless's Web site. >> >>Mr. Braude, the Pyramid Research analyst, said telephone interviews >>with the people who use Afghanistan's conventional telephone system >>in Kabul and towns elsewhere suggested that many telephone lines had >>been destroyed in Kabul. But they say that damage to lines in the >>towns is minimal. >> >>Before the bombing campaign, the Soviet-built analog network in >>Afghanistan had less than one telephone for every 100 inhabitants. >>Afghan Wireless has operated about 9,000 telephone lines in Kabul and >>Kandahar since introducing service two years ago, Mr. Braude said. >> >>Much of the company's success in signing up customers can be >>attributed to cheaper prices in relation to calls made on satellite >>telephone services. International calls with Afghan Wireless cost 40 >>cents to $1.50 a minute, compared with $2 to $4.50 a minute on >>satellite telephone systems. -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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LAT/LONG of sky tower
by Joe Abley 11 Nov '01

11 Nov '01

Anybody happen to have latitude/longitude for the sky tower? Something to GPS accuracy would be ideal. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: LAT/LONG of sky tower
by Mike Conner 11 Nov '01

11 Nov '01

LAT/LONG as follows. 36.509S 174.458E Regards, Mike. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Joe Abley Sent: Monday, 12 November 2001 5:53 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: LAT/LONG of sky tower Anybody happen to have latitude/longitude for the sky tower? Something to GPS accuracy would be ideal. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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MFAT mails out virus
by Dean Pemberton 11 Nov '01

11 Nov '01

Hi all. The Subject is kinda true. I'm on the MFAT mailing list which tells me which countries hate Kiwis at any point in time. And this morning it mailed out a strange message which had a subject of "The Auster story goes back into the 1930s." And came from an xtra email address. I just wrote it off as spam. It turns out though that the email contained a virus. Now it's not MFAT's fault (although I don't know what the list was doing unmoderated. I might look at sending out an Advisory for Kiwi's living in Sydney =) (THIS IS A JOKE!) But it does bring up a good point. Do list managers have a duty of care when it comes to scanning for viruses? My mail box is now filling up with messages from people virus scanners who are auto responding to the MFAT mailing list. Thoughts, Comments, Calls for me to shut the **** up? Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Locating (netwise) root and ccTLD name-servers by means other than a hint file
by Chris Wedgwood 11 Nov '01

11 Nov '01

Anyone out there know if there are significant numbers of people using some means other that a bind 'hint' file[1] to locate TLD and ccTLD name-servers? I was under the impression that if the name-servers for a ccTLD were changed for some reason and this change accurately reflected in the root name-serves, pretty much the entire world would notice such a change within a little more than the objects TTL. However, I discovered a couple of hours ago that some of these 'alternative TLD' proponent sites out there are actually suggestion people not use a static hint file but rather AXFR "." from a server which they have set up... ignoring the obvious security implications here, there is no guarantee this information will be kept synchronized with the rest of the world and indeed in some instances appears to be inaccurate. Is anyone using such schemes or perhaps even hint files which specify ccTLDs explicitly? --cw (preparing to kill of legacy ccTLD name-servers) [1] a la "dig . axfr @a.root-servers.net > named.hint" sort of thing - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Update
by Matt Brown 08 Nov '01

08 Nov '01

Michael, I have CC this to NZNOG since wireless is the topic of the week. These are my guidelines . Outdoor networks are not toys. To build a proper outdoor network you need to do the following things. 1) Site Survey - Using diagnostic card or Spec Analyzer to determine the channels noise levels at 20 Degree increments. Build a pie graph that shows all 360 Degrees and elevation. From this you will know the right channel to use in the best direction. Never assume that since the link only goes 500m that you need not to worry. I have a POP that goes 20km that has the capacity to kill most radios on the same channel within 10KM radius. ( Transmit gain is a deadly weapon ). I condone the use of outdoor networks that are not site surveyed. 2) Network ID - Identify all the surrounding networks with the correct software ( Unnamed for others security ). Make sure you know the people that run these networks. You never know when you might need to ask them to change channels. Shooting there POP down does NOT give you a foot in the door. 3) Antenna Choice - 500m is not far, But using two 100 Degree leaky antennas with bad Rad patterns will introduce you to a lot of interference. Stick to a good Grid of 15 - 19dbi . Panels are OK if the patterns are good. Keep you beam tight and loose the gain in the cables. Run RG-50 to the antenna ( 6-8M MAX! ) and compensate with the bigger tighter antennas. DON'T USE OMNIS! ( but you all know that right :) ) 4) Equipment Choice. - Love Thy Neighbors. Use DSSS 11mb equipment with European Firmware. Stick to Channels 1-6-11 . These are the main points to ANY out door network. Scan / Map / Plan / Deploy Good Luck with the network. !!! Best Regards Matthew G Brown - Wireless Network Specialist - Tasman Solutions LTD - Nelson, NZ - 03 543 9092 025 807731 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hallager" <michael(a)comsolve.net.nz> To: "Matthew G Brown" <Matt(a)tasman.net> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Update > Hi Matthew, > > I have already spoken to you regarding this stuff. Now that > I have your contact details, I will remove the feedback I > left on you @ TradeMe. > > I am still very interested in what you have to offer. I am > doing a short range (> 500M) wireless link in the next couple of > weeks and am looking for a cheap (used) access point for this as > the person at the other end is on a tight budget. > I have not forgotten you. > > Best regards, > > Michael Hallager > > On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 23:12, you wrote: > > Maybe you should concider just buying new Lucent from LAN1 . If you are not > > familiar with Wireless then you can make a real mess of things VERY fast. > > Make your life easy. Call LAN1, Talk to Liam , Get a solution. They can > > support you should you have trouble. Cheap WLAN's turn to muck, Ive seen > > and fixed plenty around the country latley . > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=--=-=-=- > > Matthew G Brown > > Tasman Solutions LTD > > Wireless Network Specialist > > DDI: +64 3 543 9092 > > http://www.tasman.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)automagic.org> > > To: "Michael Hallager" <michael(a)comsolve.net.nz> > > Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:23 PM > > Subject: Re: Update > > > > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:10:20PM +1300, Michael Hallager wrote: > > > > I have just recieved a condesending and irrelevant email from > > > > a list member (Who was attempting to second guess my setup/ > > > > application and got it totally wrong). > > > > > > Condescending *and* irrelevant? tsk, tsk :) > > > > > > > To reiterate, I am after wireless access point/s for use with > > > > external roof top aerials. I am after more than one unit. > > > > I need a unit that can do point > multipoint (Lucent AP500/1000 > > > > or similar) and also interested in point to point style units > > > > for another project. In any case a unit has to > > > > be able to handle a external aerial and be 802.11b compat. > > > > > > Are you looking for second-hand boxes, or recommendations on > > > vendors? > > > > > > [cue Simon/Richard grand-prix Apple Airport disassembly and > > > retrofitting speed trial anecdotes] > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > - > > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > where the body of your message reads: > > > unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Update
by Michael Hallager 08 Nov '01

08 Nov '01

Hi all, I have just recieved a condesending and irrelevant email from a list member (Who was attempting to second guess my setup/ application and got it totally wrong). To reiterate, I am after wireless access point/s for use with external roof top aerials. I am after more than one unit. I need a unit that can do point > multipoint (Lucent AP500/1000 or similar) and also interested in point to point style units for another project. In any case a unit has to be able to handle a external aerial and be 802.11b compat. When contacting me, please specify whether cards are included or not. (I don't mind). My email address is: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Please keep things short and simple as I know what I am after and include contact details. Best regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WANTED: Access Point/s
by Michael Hallager 07 Nov '01

07 Nov '01

Wanted: 802.11b compliant access point that will either support 64/128 WEP or allow a Lucent Silver/Gold card to be plugged in to it. Please E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz, including contact details. Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

Yo The drs is up again Cheers Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

Further to the previous email, the latest update is that the system outage will take a further 40 minutes to an hour. Once again my apologies for any problems this is causing. Cheers Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

Please note that the DRS will be taken down for approximately an hour after zone push this evening. The email template will continue to work, but database additions and replies to template requests will be delayed. The web site will not be available for editing or adding records during this period. All further information will be passed on as soon as it comes available. I apologise for the late notice of the outage, and the inconvenience, but the outage is required to fix an issue that occurred this afternoon which is leaving the database in a vulnerable position. Cheers Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Your message to noc awaits moderator approval (fwd)
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

is everyine else here being moderated - or am i the only one? regards joe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: baptista(a)pccf.net To: noc-admin(a)noc.attica.net.nz Cc: baptista(a)pccf.net Subject: Re: Your message to noc awaits moderator approval why am i getting this. why is my email now subject to moderation. is everyone else being subjected to the same treatment? regards joe On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 noc-admin(a)noc.attica.net.nz wrote: > Your mail to 'noc' with the subject > > FC: Correction: FAA.gov *still* runs open mail relay (fwd) > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message has implicit destination > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. > -- The dot.GOD Registry, Limited http://www.dot-god.com/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FC: Correction: FAA.gov *still* runs open mail relay (fwd)
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

anyone know someone at faa.gov who can close down this open email relay. word is getting around - attempts to contact faa.gov admins has failed. i myself just checked the relay and sent myself email using the email address baptista(a)faa.gov - so a malicious individual can certainly have fun with this one. anyway - details on relay after sig regards joe -- Joe Baptista http://www.dot-god.com/ The dot.GOD Registry, Limited The Executive Plaza, Suite 908 150 West 51st Street Tel: 1 (208) 330-4173 Manhattan Island NYC 10019 USA Fax: 1 (208) 293-9773 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:30:08 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)politechbot.com Subject: FC: Correction: FAA.gov *still* runs open mail relay Previous (incorrect) message: "FAA.gov ran open mail relay, could let people forge FAA email" http://www.politechbot.com/p-02757.html I just verified this too. -Declan ******** Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:00:33 -0800 From: Troy Davis <troy(a)nack.net> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Cc: bduncan(a)beachnet.org Subject: Re: FC: FAA.gov ran open mail relay, could let people forge FAA email Message-ID: <20011106080033.A10768(a)drip.tekniq.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011106084248.02b272c0(a)mail.well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Seems to still relay: 10:15pm troy(a)mindfuck ~ > telnet 204.108.10.130 25 Trying 204.108.10.130... Connected to 204.108.10.130. Escape character is '^]'. 220-atos.faa.gov Microsoft SMTP MAIL ready at Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:59:42 -0500 Version: 5.5.1877.197.19 220 ESMTP spoken here helo narf 250 atos.faa.gov Hello [216.39.147.166] mail from: root(a)oz.net 250 root(a)oz.net....Sender OK rcpt to: joe(a)aol.com 250 joe(a)aol.com data 354 Start mail input; end with <CRLF>.<CRLF> narf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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2day.com would like to peer with you at the APE
by Joe Abley 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

AS17914 192.203.154.80 2day will announce 202.37.240.0/23 and 198.32.66.0/24, but not just yet (E1s to the Sky Tower are apparently still a week or so away). Traffic profile is predominately 2day -> world, three TLD nameservers on-net, roll-up, roll-up, etc, etc. Anybody who would like to peer, and would like to get the BGP config done now should drop me a line. Thanks! Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Access to smtp Telecom CDMA phones
by Donald Neal 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

>>> "Simon Lyall" <simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz> 11/05/01 01:05 >>> [...] >The CDMA guys do not run a smtp server themselves and are not planning to >in future. Well, there is the system used to send Short Message Service messages out as SMTP. Donald Neal Minion Evil Empire -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Internet Industry Forum (ISP Forum)
by Peter Mott 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

> InternetNZ's major conference for the year will be held on Nov 29 > and 30 at the Ellerslie Novotel, Auckland. The Forum will focus on > the changes to the legislative environment in NZ, Industry Self- > regulation, and possible impacts post-September 11. > > You are cordially invited to attend - full details and link to online > registration can be found via the What's Hot link or direct at: > http://www.internetnz.net.nz/Internet-Industry- > Forum_Agenda011105.html > > Forum costs: InternetNZ members NZ$100 (GST inc) > Non-members > NZ$160 (GST inc) Lets all make InternetNZ's day - don't show up. -PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A Edison - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Access to smtp Telecom CDMA phones
by Simon Lyall 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

I've got a guy from Telecom asking us to give access to our smtp servers (outgoing email) for our customers who are using in via CDMA phones to access the Internet. Just wondering how everybody else is doing this? Are you allowing the whole ip range to access your smtp servers, running smtp auth or something else? I'm inclined to just insist on smtp auth but I'm not sure some of the lower end clients that might be on the CDMA devices will support it. The CDMA guys do not run a smtp server themselves and are not planning to in future. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Rack slides
by Tim John 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

No problem. Sorry I didn't reply to the list ... full thread below:- Tim :-----Original Message----- :From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gordons(a)morenet.net.nz] :Sent: Monday, 5 November 2001 10:28 :To: Tim John :Subject: RE: Rack slides : : :Cheers Tim, : :I'll give them a shout : :Regards, :Gordon : : :> -----Original Message----- :> From: Tim John [mailto:tim.john(a)domainz.net.nz] :> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2001 09:51 :> To: 'gordons(a)morenet.net.nz' :> Subject: RE: Rack slides :> :> :> Gordon, :> :> I've purchased a rack and some bits and pieces from :Enclosure Technology :> Limited. Contact name is Dave Booth - 09 476 9162. They are based in :> Mairangi Bay. :> :> Hope this help. :> :> Regards, :> :> Tim :> :> :> :-----Original Message----- :> :From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gordons(a)morenet.net.nz] :> :Sent: Monday, 5 November 2001 09:23 :> :To: Nznog :> :Subject: Rack slides :> : :> : :> :Hi all, :> : :> :Can anyone recommend a source of rackmount kits, pref in Auck? :> :I'm looking :> :for something similar to the General Devices kits (if you're already :> :familiar with those...) :> : :> :To fit full-depth racks. :> : :> :Cheers, :> : :> :Gordon Smith :> :Network Operations Manager :> : :> :MoreNet Ltd. :> : :> :Fingerprint: 4093 91BC 0055 46B9 1B1A EDBA 45AD 2381 7B1D E4BE :> : :> : :> :- :> :To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to :majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :> :where the body of your message reads: :> :unsubscribe nznog :> : :> : - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Rack slides
by Gordon Smith 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

Hi all, Can anyone recommend a source of rackmount kits, pref in Auck? I'm looking for something similar to the General Devices kits (if you're already familiar with those...) To fit full-depth racks. Cheers, Gordon Smith Network Operations Manager MoreNet Ltd. Fingerprint: 4093 91BC 0055 46B9 1B1A EDBA 45AD 2381 7B1D E4BE - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco Router
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

Hello there, I would like to purchase a Cisco 2501 or a Cisco 2503 Router. Please let me know if anybody has one that is available for sale. Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Apologies
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

to the nog for suggesting the Qe Wbr Oncgvfgn prize for truly idiotic postings would generate more drivel. I have already have a couple of nominations for various prizes. (Cisco ask permission - in your dreams.....) -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Telstra Saturn Routing
by Tony Wicks 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Hi all, this is a network head's up. We have just cutover all domestic peering from our legacy network ( as4763 ) to our new network ( as7714 ). So if anyone notices any really funky routing happening, let me know. Cheers Tony Wicks Senior Network Engineer TelstraSaturn - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has just over 300 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities The NZNOG Christmas Socials are scheduled for Wednesday 5th December at Cisco, L25 ASB Tower, 135 Albert Street, Auckland and Tuesday 18th December at Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter Street, Wellington. RSVP to Roger De Salis, rdesalis(a)cisco.com. The list administrator may soon start seeking to twist arms with a view to running some sort of gathering in the middle of next year. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Drinks & meetings
by David Farrar 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

> Anyone know what happening to the drinkie that was being talked about a > few weeks ago? Did the main sponsor pull out? > > Looks like Internetnz (isocnz) are supposed to be having some sort of > meeting at the end of the month in akl for ISPs, anyone know anything > about this? I can't find anything on their web site. The dates are 29 and 30 November for the Internet Industry Forum and a programme and registration form will be going up any day or even any hour. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Donald Neal 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

People, This thread is looking more than a little irrelevant to the purpose of the list. Enough, please. - Donald Neal List Administrator/Muggins - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Michael Bordignon 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

hmm - its interesting your "barrister" has the email 'info(a)humanrights.com.au' - on their website it states: - If you get an address @humanrights.com.au now you will also receive an address at the new global namespace @humanrights. No com.au. No simplistic org, net, or com ending at all. More information... Send an email with the desired name-- you, your group, your issue-- to info(a)humanrights.com.au - right.. i dont think so joe (hey it rhymed) > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [mailto:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 1:16 PM > To: Roger De Salis > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; > browns(a)cisco.com; !Dr. Robert Riley; ccenicer(a)cisco.com; > investor-relations(a)cisco.com; Len Lindon > Subject: Re: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > As a Cisco investor I'm a bit surprised that you a Cisco > employee would so > flagrantly use my name and personality to sell attendance at some > Christmas social without my permission. I have therefore taken this > opportunity to cc this reply and the original communication > from Cisco to > my barrister Mr. Len Lindon. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" RSVP to: moi Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St Who: As above RSVP to: moi The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement Feature of 2001". No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) R -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Frank March 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

It seems we may have a candidate for at least one of the awards.. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [SMTP:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 13:16 > To: Roger De Salis > Cc: ; frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com; !Dr. Robert Riley; > ccenicer(a)cisco.com; investor-relations(a)cisco.com; Len Lindon > Subject: Re: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Roger De Salis wrote: > > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards > > such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening > > post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer > > Enragement Feature of 2001". > > It seems I've made something of an impression here. Always nice to > know. However - you must change the awards name. I have not given > permission for my name to be used in any way with any award to you or to > Cisco Technologies. > > Now if you or Cisco Technologies wish to submit a proposal on the use of > my name I will consider it. However - at this time I want you to make it > clear to the group that I have nothing to do with this award and you are > order to immediately cease any and all usage of my name in association > with this project. > <..etc> Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Allister Clarke 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

What about people that only know a few commands from the IOS? ;-) Or is this only for people with the mininum of a CCNA? :-) I will be a CCNA very soon ... Allister. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Stephen(a)nzpost.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:50 p.m. To: 'Roger De Salis' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social Does that mean that us lazy buggers who just type "sh int" are not welcome? How about "ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 null0"?[1] [1] Pardon me if I got it wrong - it's been a long time ;) Klop, -- Andrew J. Stephen Phone +64 4 496 4484 Team Leader, Network Operations Mobile +64 25 582 304 New Zealand Post Fax +64 4 496 4914 "Certainly, Windows XP is no Calista Flockhart. XP has so much pomp and circumstance that it's front-end weighs more than that of the cast of Baywatch." -- JonnyGURU, http://www.systemlogic.net/agurusworld/19/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger De Salis [mailto:rdesalis(a)cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:29 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com > Subject: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" > RSVP to: moi > > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such > things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post > of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement > Feature of 2001". > > No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as > prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) > > R > -- > \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com > </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 > /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 > (/ Wellington, New Zealand > roger(a)desalis.gen.nz > ` > In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value > for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Stephen Andrew 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Does that mean that us lazy buggers who just type "sh int" are not welcome? How about "ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 null0"?[1] [1] Pardon me if I got it wrong - it's been a long time ;) Klop, -- Andrew J. Stephen Phone +64 4 496 4484 Team Leader, Network Operations Mobile +64 25 582 304 New Zealand Post Fax +64 4 496 4914 "Certainly, Windows XP is no Calista Flockhart. XP has so much pomp and circumstance that it's front-end weighs more than that of the cast of Baywatch." -- JonnyGURU, http://www.systemlogic.net/agurusworld/19/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger De Salis [mailto:rdesalis(a)cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:29 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com > Subject: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" > RSVP to: moi > > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards > such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening > post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer > Enragement Feature of 2001". > > No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as > prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) > > R > -- > \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com > </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 > /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 > (/ Wellington, New Zealand > roger(a)desalis.gen.nz > ` > In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value > for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" RSVP to: moi Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St Who: As above RSVP to: moi The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement Feature of 2001". No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) R -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Drinks & meetings
by Simon Lyall 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Anyone know what happening to the drinkie that was being talked about a few weeks ago? Did the main sponsor pull out? Looks like Internetnz (isocnz) are supposed to be having some sort of meeting at the end of the month in akl for ISPs, anyone know anything about this? I can't find anything on their web site. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Extreme Electrical Failure...
by Dylan Reeve 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

...is what happened to ihug's Starnet/Satnet/Ultra gear the last time (I remember) lightning hitting the sky tower. There were also photos of the strike. Last night I saw 6 lightning strikes on the tower (including a REALLY big one) over about 30 minutes, but I haven't heard of anything being fried. And there don't seem to be any photos. Anyone know of any damage this time or have any photographic evidence of the strikes? (This is my not-quite-so-off-topic way of saying "anyone seen any photos or heard of anything melting?") -- Dylan Reeve - dylan(a)wibble.net It's just not cricket. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Greg Clare 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Is it really necessary to post a web link, as well as pasting the entire text contained on the linked page into the message? Please just post the link in future. Regards Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [mailto:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2001 10:57 am > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS > > http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm > Rest of original message <snipped> for sanity! --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Donald Neal 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

>>> "Andy Gardner" <andy(a)navigator.co.nz> 10/31/01 04:38 >>> >Oh, and if the list manager could make the first line of the nznog sig to >be two hyphens follwed by a space, you might find most email clients will >not include the sig in quotes anymore. Fair enough. - Donald Neal List Administrator - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Anyone know whats happened to LLoyd Gallagher
by Mark Derricutt 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Can't say I did, was there some 'net' related scandel mentioned? --On Wednesday, 31 October 2001 8:39 a.m. +1300 Lindsay Druett <lindsayd(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > He might go even further back (try the 10-15 years or so), some of us have > very long memories. > BTW. Did anyone watch Scandals on TV2 last night ? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Peter Mott 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

At 31/10/2001 11:56, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no > fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth > censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned > SafeSurf, the online safety organization. AB hasn't found a new job has he? :-) - PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A. Edison --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm SafeSurf Press Release 1304 Newbury Road, Unit E, Newbury Park, CA 91320 E-mail: safesurf(a)safesurf.com * Web Site: http://www.safesurf.com/ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 25, 2001 Contact : Ray Soular Press Phone : (818) 613-1415 SafeSurf Warns of Stealth Censorship Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned SafeSurf, the online safety organization. This new type of censorship, promoted by a California corporation called Mail Abuse Prevention System, LLC (MAPS), silences every Web site whose address is located on a server that also happens to host one or two unrelated email marketing sites. However, since the browser message displayed says that the Web sites are non-existent, online surfers have no idea they are being denied access to many parts of the Internet. "This is stealth censorship*", remarked SafeSurf Chairman Ray Soular as he described how Web site owners have no rights under this system. "Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS) publicizes its Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) as being only of certified email abusers (spammers). It provides this list to Internet Service Providers (ISP) who rely on its accuracy when shutting out these spammers. In reality, MAPS' practice of listing entire groups of IP numbers, instead of the specific addresses of the spammers, is causing ISPs to shut off access to sites that have done no wrong other than they have similar IP numbers to the spammers. Its like shutting off phone service to thousands of people simply because they have the same prefix as an obscene caller," explained Soular. "To make matters worse, MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated," Soular reasoned. Teleglobe, a global Internet provider who subscribes to the MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL), was blocking SafeSurf in many countries, simply because SafeSurf's Web site was on a public server owned by an hosting company once accused of providing services to email marketers. (News Flash Oct 29, 2001: MAPS removed SafeSurf from its Blackhole list and Teleglobe removed blocking.) "Under their system, an unsuspecting Web site can become a RBL hostage at any time, for any reason, and without appeal. Unless the owner of the server meets MAPS demands, the innocent hostage site will be left to rot in the 'Blackhole'," pointed out Soular. "This is the worst manifestation of censorship imaginable because it is applied in a way which fools Web surfers into thinking they still have their freedom", said Soular. ### _______________________________________________________________ Below is the text of SafeSurf's Open Letter to the Internet Community concerning MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) that targets general IP groups instead of specific IP addresses. SafeSurf was recently alerted that we were marked for blocking, for no fault of our own, by Mail Abuse Prevention System's Realtime Blackhole List (RBL). SafeSurf has never sent out a single piece of junk email in the life of our company. Parents and Webmasters depend upon communication from SafeSurf to enable them to protect children on the Internet. As a result, by blocking SafeSurf, MAPS is endangering millions of children across the globe. MAPS' RBL blocking is censorship in its worst manifestation. It is a extremist system that seeks to censor people simply because they happen to be with the same ISP that has a particular individual that MAPS does not like. Their tactics would be similar to someone using a nuclear weapon to wipe out a cockroach. Although they may contact the ISP, MAPS makes no effort, whatsoever, to warn the people actually being censored. The innocent Web Sites have to depend on others to discover that their right to free speech has been desecrated. MAPS actions demonstrate what SafeSurf has long suspected; true censorship arises for the purpose of advancing the agenda of a particular group of individuals. Censorship is a broad brush that drips paint on the pure, as well as the tainted. MAPS may claim that their actions are in the interest of good, but in reality they would easily trade in the good of children to achieve their goal. They have more than proved this point by holding the SafeSurf Web Site hostage until they force the acquiescence of others. MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Therefore, they could negligently block sites that contain important life saving medical information, sites that protect children, and sites that output emergency info during tornado watches, fire and flood alerts. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated. We hate spam as much as anyone else. SafeSurf receives hundreds of spam emails every day. However, we cherish our civil liberties too much to ever trade them to the careless people who are running MAPS. We have tried to reason with MAPS, but they refuse to offer affected Web sites a case-by-case appeal process. They seem to not care about fairness. They are blinded by the smell of spammer's blood and do not seem to care how many innocent Web sites they trounce in the process. Then, they rationalize and try to put the blame for their wanton actions on everyone else. This issue is completely different from the debate over porn filtering, because in that debate, at least it was agreed that the sites we were discussing were responsible for their acts. In this case, MAPS employs an underhanded tactic of targeting the innocent in order to persuade the guilty. We must insist that MAPS operate in a responsible manner. A just cause is no excuse for unjust actions. By accepting MAPS, we are, in effect, agreeing to full censorship of anyone, for any reason. This is beyond the worst-case scenarios we could've imagined coming from governments. MAPS may be on a crusade to rid the Internet of spam, but this should not give them the authority to deny freedoms to the blameless. It should not give them the power to shroud someone's brilliance simply because it happens to be on a MAPS targeted ISP. It should not give them the right to make a mockery of the pillars upon which America was built. I feel sorry for all the subscribers to Teleglobe, which trusts MAPS' RBL list. They have traded access to the truth in exchange for a cleaner mailbox. The really sad part is they don't even know it. We must raise our voices to warn the online world of stealth censorship. For in the end, we will either loudly hold on to our liberty or it will become clear that we gave up our rights by our silence. Sincerely, Ray Soular, Chairman SafeSurf * The term, stealth blocking, was first used by Bennett Haselton in "The Coalition Statement Against Stealth Blocking" to be found at http://www.peacefire.org/. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone know whats happened to LLoyd Gallagher
by Craig Whitmore 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Hi there.. Does anyone know what happened to startrek.org.nz (and all the domains he hosts off it) and Lloyd who looks after it.. it seems to have vanished off the face. The routing goes no where also. The contact number for him doesn't seem to exist any more :-( inetnum: 202.49.250.0 - 202.49.250.255 netname: MAXWARP-NZ descr: Maximum Warp country: NZ admin-c: GG4-NZ tech-c: GG4-NZ notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ notify: nch(a)ihug.co.nz changed: steved(a)waikato.ac.nz 961122 source: APNIC person: Lloyd Gallagher address: 216 Great South Road address: Ohaupo phone: +64 7 823 6463 e-mail: lloyd(a)startrek.org.nz nic-hdl: GG4-NZ notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ notify: lloyd(a)startrek.org.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NULL changed: hostmaster(a)apnic.net 19990121 source: APNIC Thanks Craig Whitmore

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Asia Online Email
by Philip Hunt 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

To the NZ Internet Community & NOG Members: As you know, Strongnet sent an email on Friday afternoon to clients of Asia Online who have ".nz" domain names. The contact information used was not retrieved from the Domainz database. In fact, the information was compiled from a zone transfer several months ago. I realise that the email has upset some people, and on behalf of Strongnet I would like to sincerely apologise to those people. I can assure you that Strongnet will not make this type of mistake again. Regards, Philip Hunt Strongnet Limited

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FW: Asia Online
by Gordon Smith 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

I'd probably agree with Mark that a warning was in order, if not for the fact that we received spam from another Orcon customer, FusionDigital, only last month. That one was trying to sell me bandwidth, ports, etc Come on Seeby, I think some serious LARTing is in order... Gordon --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: FW: Asia Online
by Seeby - Orcon Internet 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

As you will know - Orcon is a wholesaler to a large number of ISP's and web hosting companies around NZ. If a customer of one of the ISP's we service SPAM's - we don't cut the ISP off for inadvertently spamming by way of their customer - because it's not their fault. Any issues like this are generally referred to the ISP hosting the customer. With regard to our terms and conditions there is a clear distinction between customers directly on our network, and wholesale customers who have their own networks and customers behind us. I can assue you, as will have been evidenced in the past, that direct customers of ours on our network who spam or cause problems are dealt with swiftly, however wholesale customers are generally allowed to make their own rules about what must or must not be allowed in the case of spamming. In this issue, cutting of strongnet because of the actions of Phil Hunt would affect a lot more customers than simply him alone. As a wholesale customer, I am affecting all their customers as well if I take such action. It is important to understand that an individual is not necessarily equivalent to a company, and where we have wholesale contracts with a company, the actions of one director may not be warrant, justify or allow the removal of services to that company. There are some issues which people will not be aware of that make this very complicated for us, and as I have said - we are in the middle. I certainly do not condonde the actions that have happend, however suggesions from people to "cut Strongnet off!" are not helpful when not all the facts may be known. You can be assured that myself and Orcon act with the utmost of integrity, and that I am not simply "changing the rules" for one particular customer. Cheers Seeby Orcon Internet - www.orcon.net.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: <gordon(a)morenet.net.nz> > Although I can see your point, if you take this position with spammers on > your network, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Orcon's IP blocks listed > in the various email blacklists as being spammer-friendly. > > You're changing your terms and conditions for individual users, which, I > believe, is not really acceptable. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: FW: Asia Online
by Seeby - Orcon Internet 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

While not condoning Philip Hunt's actions in this regard, we are placed in a very difficult position. Our terms and conditions state that we do not allow users to send spam from our network, however when this user is a business, and the lifeblood of their business is providing Internet services - to cut them off would mean the end of their ability to function. Because of this, I feel that it is fair to give a warning only rather than a suspension of services. I am trying to be fair to all parties - including the wider Internet community - and wanted to let everyone know where I stand. I guess we are stuck in the middle on this one. Cheers Seeby Orcon Internet - www.orcon.net.nz > At 27/10/2001 11:17, you wrote: > > > Strongnet operates one of New Zealand's most advanced and fully automated > > > Domain Name and Webhosting systems. > > And appears to be a customer of orcon.net.nz whose terms contain published at > > http://www.orcon.net.nz/support/terms/termsandconditions.html > > contain: > > "Users are not permitted to send multiple unsolicited email (Spam) to > single or multiple users including, but not limited to, advertising email." > > "Any failure to obey these rules or if a specific complaint has been made > from any person or company about your activities we will investigate (in > conjunction with the police if necessary). We will then make a decision as > to the severity of your actions. This may result in a warning. If we > consider the breach to be sufficiently serious (at our discretion) you > agree that we may disconnect your services immediately without notice or > liability to you." > > This email is a specific complaint in regard to the bulk UCE sent by > strongnet to .nz registrants who are currently customers of Asia On-line. > > I believe the severity of the action demands immediate > disconnection. There is no way an ISP can reasonably claim ignorance in > such matters. > > Other internet providers who endorse this complaint and recommended action, > please wave your hand. > > > > > Peter Mott > Chief Enthusiast > 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED > -/- > > 2day.com - The professional choice for automated web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re:: Asia Online
by PhoneNet 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

At 13:03 27/10/01 +1300, you wrote: >Condering the identities of 2 of the other parties I have heard of then >cutting them off will get rid of a large percentage of the NZ Internet. >Since this is not going to happen it's not really fair to impose a similar >penality against strongnet just cause fewer people will be inconvenienced. So name them as well... what is it with this industry... its been unable to regulate itself as far back as I can remember and half of the transgressions of supposedly responsible ISPs never make it into the "press".... let's treat this as a wake-up call and do somehting pro-active for a change! Ian >> >>However every ISP here has upstreams even if they are overseas, whats more >>every connection agreement I have seen allows the upstream ISP to cut off >>spammers. >> >>-- >>Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz >>Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz >>ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz >> >>--------- >>To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>where the body of your message reads: >>unsubscribe nznog >> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Asia Online
by Chris Woodrow 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Its only fair that you make your own minds up about the spam and a copy is below. My perspective is that spam sucks, but at least we theoretically in New Zealand we have great network administrators (I do note Xtra as an exception here after previous experience) that we can have tell the users off and reduce/prevent spam. However when a network is involved, who does the telling off? Networks/Service providers by involvement in the industry should hopefully already know that spam is wrong, therefore a telling off is pointless and punishment realistically should be an option. Exactly how is the hard bit, and hopefully the press will do their part to expose these questionable StrongNet ethics. Who knows perhaps NZNOG being notified of peers who are spamming may be punishment enough in the long term, it is a very small industry. After getting six of these emails, there is no way I would deal with StrongNet in the future, however realistically I may not have in any case. But Phillip Hunt and StrongNet are now forever etched in my 'memory' of New Zealand based spammers and dodgey people. Cheers Chris Chris Woodrow Melco New Zealand > -----Original Message----- > From: phil(a)strongnet.co.nz [SMTP:phil(a)strongnet.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:54 AM > To: info(a)melco.co.nz > Cc: postmaster(a)melco.co.nz > Subject: Asia Online > > Dear Asia Online Domain Holder (melco.co.nz), > > Strongnet operates one of New Zealand's most advanced and fully automated > Domain Name and Webhosting systems. It is not our intention to send you > information that is of no interest. Please advise us at any time if you > wish to be removed from our records by replying to this message with just > "REMOVE" in the subject line. > > You may have read in the New Zealand Herald that ... "Internet service > provider Asia Online New Zealand has gone into voluntary liquidation". The > article can be found by clicking here > <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/businessstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=22455 > 4&thesection=business&thesubsection=ebusiness&thesecondsubsection=internet > > or on the following link: > > &thesection=business&thesubsection=ebusiness&thesecondsubsection=internet< > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/businessstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=224554 > &thesection=business&thesubsection=ebusiness&thesecondsubsection=internet> > > > According to our records, your domain name MELCO.CO.NZ is hosted at Asia > Online New Zealand. > > Strongnet is a 100% New Zealand privately owned company that has been > providing Domain Name and Hosting services since early 1998. Strongnet > operates its own network at Albany, Auckland with high speed connections > to the Internet and Uninteruptable Power. Our network is home to over 2500 > Domain Names, including many high-profile clients such as: > > * Cardlink Systems ( <http://www.cardlink.co.nz>) > > * Citroen New Zealand ( <http://www.citroen.co.nz>) > > * Regency Duty Free ( <http://www.regency.co.nz>) > > * Maurice Kain Textiles ( <http://www.mauricekain.co.nz>) > > * Software Of Excellence ( <http://www.soeidental.com>) > > * Wellington Drive Technologies ( <http://www.wdtl.com>) > > * Armstrong Corporation ( <http://www.armstrong.co.nz>) > > * Remuera Golf Club ( <http://www.remueragolfclub.com>) > > * BikeBarn ( <http://www.bikebarn.co.nz>) > > > It would be a great pleasure if we could be of any assistance to your > organisation with regard to hosting your Domain Name or Website going > forward. As an indication of pricing, access to our fully automated > website hosting packages is available from just $13.95 per month. > > If you are interested in learning more about our Domain Name and Hosting > system, please call us on 09 414 2492, or email info(a)strongnet.co.nz > <mailto:info(a)strongnet.co.nz>, or visit our website at > <http://www.strongnet.co.nz> > > Finally, thank you for your time... and we really look forward to hearing > from you soon! > > Kind regards, > Philip Hunt > Strongnet Limited > Tel: +64-9-414-2492 > Fax: +64-9-414-2960 > Email: info(a)strongnet.co.nz > Website: www.strongnet.co.nz > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: FW: Asia Online
by Peter Mott 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

>At 27/10/2001 11:17, you wrote: >> > Strongnet operates one of New Zealand's most advanced and fully automated >> > Domain Name and Webhosting systems. > >And appears to be a customer of orcon.net.nz whose terms contain published at > >http://www.orcon.net.nz/support/terms/termsandconditions.html > >contain: > >"Users are not permitted to send multiple unsolicited email (Spam) to >single or multiple users including, but not limited to, advertising email." > >"Any failure to obey these rules or if a specific complaint has been made >from any person or company about your activities we will investigate (in >conjunction with the police if necessary). We will then make a decision as >to the severity of your actions. This may result in a warning. If we >consider the breach to be sufficiently serious (at our discretion) you >agree that we may disconnect your services immediately without notice or >liability to you." > >This email is a specific complaint in regard to the bulk UCE sent by >strongnet to .nz registrants who are currently customers of Asia On-line. > >I believe the severity of the action demands immediate >disconnection. There is no way an ISP can reasonably claim ignorance in >such matters. > >Other internet providers who endorse this complaint and recommended >action, please wave your hand. > > > >Peter Mott >Chief Enthusiast >2DAY INTERNET LIMITED >-/- > >2day.com - The professional choice for automated web hosting services >--------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Asia Online and Spammers
by Mark Foster 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Thank you Juha, got it in one. :) At 10:26 27/10/2001 +1300, Juha Saarinen wrote: >On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Joe Abley wrote: > > > What is "one of our group"? > >The nasty buncha spammers that hang out in NZNOG, of course. > >-- > > > > >Regards, > > >Juha > >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Shouldn't ICONZ/Asia Online put something on its Web site...?
by Juha Saarinen 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

I'm sure customers would appreciate that. -- Juha Saarinen --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Whats Happened to Asiaonline (Ref: from Aardvark)
by Craig Whitmore 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Hi.. I just saw something on Aardvark (http://www.aardvark.co.nz) about AsiaOnline. Is this true, or just a unfounded rumour? Thanks Craig Whitmore --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Asia On-Line Spamming
by Roger De Salis 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

I've seen the list, and response from Steve Phillips asking for time. I've received a copy of the SPAM in question. There is an accusation made that Domainz data was used to generate the SPAM. Freely available zone-xfers were turned off several months ago, so it is possible that an out of date zone-xfer could have been used. I have no idea beyond this what/how/why. There is no policy on this, other than the generic - "thou shalt not SPAM". It might be useful therefore that the industry generates it's own policy on this. What is a suitable penalty? An example of what could be easily implemented would be a modest delay to registration change overs. ================================================================== Recent SPAMMING of the entire .NZ by the Melbourne Company ING with the suggestion that failure to act would not permit pre-registration of .info and .biz resulted in the suspension of ability to do DNS changes. That company remains suspended until a meaningful "I'm Sorry" is forthcoming, at their expense. ================================================================= Two points. An "I'm Sorry" wouldn't go amiss. You know who you are. A thoughtful discouse would be useful about how transgressors may have their rights limited for a period of time, so as to encourage the correct behaviour would be something we would be happy to help create. Rgds Roger -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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prefix list change
by Richard Haakma 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

Hi. Would those who peer with KCCS note that there is a change to KCCS' networks. Network 202.37.78.0/24 is not advertised by KCCS any more. An amended prefix list is below. Regards, RH. ip prefix-list KCCS-nets description KC Computer Services noc(a)kc.net.nz ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 5 permit 202.14.82.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 10 permit 202.14.102.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 15 permit 202.20.65.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 20 permit 202.20.92.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 25 permit 202.21.157.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 30 permit 202.27.83.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 35 permit 202.27.192.0/21 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 40 permit 202.27.200.0/22 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 45 permit 202.27.209.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 50 permit 202.27.210.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 55 permit 202.27.211.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 60 permit 202.27.212.0/22 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 70 permit 202.27.216.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 75 permit 202.27.222.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 80 permit 202.27.236.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 85 permit 202.27.247.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 90 permit 202.27.251.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 95 permit 202.36.43.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 100 permit 202.36.75.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 105 permit 202.36.154.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 110 permit 202.37.70.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 115 permit 202.37.71.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 120 permit 202.37.75.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 125 permit 202.37.117.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 130 permit 202.37.118.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 135 permit 202.37.168.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 140 permit 202.49.141.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 145 permit 202.49.183.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 150 permit 202.49.189.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 155 permit 202.49.233.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 160 permit 202.50.95.0/24 ip prefix-list KCCS-nets seq 165 permit 202.50.164.0/24 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DS3 problem
by PER-LIM-Cabanillas, Jose 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

Hi, I'am writing from Perú, here we have a Nortel Passport 7400 with a 3 ports DS3 card. we are recently connected to other Passport in USA through Global Crossing (GC) SDH network. between the GC ADM and our Passport (ATM Switch) we have 50 meters of coaxial cable with BNC connectors. We checked the cable, its OK. the problem is that in the DS3 statistics, we have PathCodeViolations. we have this config used from USA to others places so we don´t know what is the problems (maybe the SDH network?). If the problem is in the SDH how can I detect it ?. I can find information about DS3 and PathCodeViolations. I'll be appreciate any information or relative link Thanks --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re:
by Adrian Smith 22 Oct '01

22 Oct '01

Thanks for all your replies. It is now working ok, with and without the dot at the end, thanks. Looks like the problem has cleared now. The reason I asked the original question is that the icq client failed instantly to connect. Usually it sits there for a while and then times out if the icq network is temporarily unreachable. Adrian >>> "Phil Groom" <pgroom(a)tasmail.com> 10/23/01 11:06 >>> G'day Adrian, nslookup will append the "default" domain name to the given host if the given host does not contain a trailing "." Perhaps that is what you are seeing when you set debug. I assume that you do not see strangness when debug is off (I don't). Phill. -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Smith [SMTP:Adrian.Smith(a)natlib.govt.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 8:50 am To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: strange results from nslookup of icq.mirabilis.com Can anyone tell me why nslookup is adding my domain name on to an nslookup of icq.mirabilis.com ... and then trying to do a lookup on that ? -- www.tasmail.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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strange results from nslookup of icq.mirabilis.com
by Adrian Smith 22 Oct '01

22 Oct '01

Can anyone tell me why nslookup is adding my domain name on to an nslookup of icq.mirabilis.com ... and then trying to do a lookup on that ? Is it because mirabilis.com are not returning any nameserver records in the authority records ? planet:~$ nslookup Default Server: planet.natlib.govt.nz Address: 192.122.171.130 > set debug > icq.mirabilis.com Server: planet.natlib.govt.nz Address: 192.122.171.130 ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, icq.mirabilis.com, IN, A) ------------ Got answer: HEADER: opcode = QUERY, id = 63705, rcode = NXDOMAIN header flags: response, auth. answer, want recursion, recursion avail. questions = 1, answers = 1, authority records = 1, additional = 0 QUESTIONS: icq.mirabilis.com, type = A, class = IN ANSWERS: -> icq.mirabilis.com canonical name = icq.fes.mirabilis.com ttl = 600 (10M) AUTHORITY RECORDS: -> mirabilis.com ttl = 600 (10M) origin = dns-01.icq.net mail addr = hostmaster.icq.net serial = 2001101601 refresh = 600 (10M) retry = 300 (5M) expire = 604800 (1W) minimum ttl = 600 (10M) ------------ ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, icq.mirabilis.com.natlib.govt.nz, IN, A) ------------ Got answer: HEADER: opcode = QUERY, id = 63706, rcode = NXDOMAIN header flags: response, auth. answer, want recursion, recursion avail. questions = 1, answers = 0, authority records = 1, additional = 0 QUESTIONS: icq.mirabilis.com.natlib.govt.nz, type = A, class = IN AUTHORITY RECORDS: -> natlib.govt.nz ttl = 86400 (1D) origin = dns1.natlib.govt.nz mail addr = networks.natlib.govt.nz serial = 2001102309 refresh = 3600 (1H) retry = 1200 (20M) expire = 1728000 (1728000) minimum ttl = 86400 (1D) ------------ *** planet.natlib.govt.nz can't find icq.mirabilis.com: Non-existent host/domain > At first I thought it was a problem with our dns, but I have repeated the same query from other NZ sites nameservers and seem to be getting similar results. Are any other NZ ISP's or nznog people seeing a similar problem? Thanks Adrian Smith --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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(no subject)
by Phil Groom 22 Oct '01

22 Oct '01

G'day Adrian, nslookup will append the "default" domain name to the given host if the given host does not contain a trailing "." Perhaps that is what you are seeing when you set debug. I assume that you do not see strangness when debug is off (I don't). Phill. -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Smith [SMTP:Adrian.Smith(a)natlib.govt.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 8:50 am To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: strange results from nslookup of icq.mirabilis.com Can anyone tell me why nslookup is adding my domain name on to an nslookup of icq.mirabilis.com ... and then trying to do a lookup on that ? -- www.tasmail.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The weakest link
by Michael Newbery 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

I'm trying to identify throughput speeds of typical low (and not so low) end network devices. With carrier networks that outperform many people's infrastructure, I'd like to have some sort of a list that says Cisco 1605R <p Mbps Cisco 2600 <q Mbps Win95/98 <y Mbps TCP WinME/2K <z Mbps TCP Any pointers to where such info might be found? Real-world is what I'd prefer. We hit this even with the cable modems where 2Mbps was faster than many PCs could make use of (three years ago). It's got worse. We can put Smartbits testers on links during commissioning, but that's not really helpful to the customers, who want at least some reasonable pointer as to why going from 64kbps to 1Gbps isn't giving them the throughput they expected. I thought I'd start with Scott Bradner's old Harvard tests, but I can't find them anymore. -- Michael Newbery Technical Specialist TelstraSaturn Limited Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile: +64-29-939 5102 Fax: +64-4-922 8401 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Hot Cisco stuff
by Juha Saarinen 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/22271.html Thought it would interest nznoggers, as I gather quite a few have the 827. -- Juha Saarinen --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Slow Browsing
by David Sadgrove 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

Is anyone else getting extremely slow international browsing and strange trace routes? e.g. root(a)ns1 /root]# traceroute www.hotmail.com traceroute: Warning: www.hotmail.com has multiple addresses; using 64.4.44.7 traceroute to www.hotmail.com (64.4.44.7), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 atm.gw.onthenet.net.nz (210.55.215.254) 1.155 ms 0.457 ms 0.458 ms 2 a10-0-0-12.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.13) 13.557 ms 11.289 ms 12.975 ms 3 g2-0-3.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.169) 7.751 ms 21.443 ms 3.048 ms 4 p0-1-0.tkbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.162) 92.233 ms 15.704 ms 3.839 ms 5 ATM8-0-0-8.sb2.optus.net.au (202.139.128.97) 124.659 ms 117.207 ms * 6 * * * 7 bcr2-sonet6-1-0-0.Sydney.cw.net (166.63.225.165) 240.041 ms * * 8 * * * 9 * * bpr1-loopback.Paloaltopaix.cw.net (208.172.146.18) 245.538 ms 10 * * microsoft-hotmail.Paloaltopaix.cw.net (206.24.241.42) 260.042 ms 11 * * * 12 law2-gsr-a-pos-9-0.hotmail.com (64.4.63.125) 255.464 ms * 269.320 ms 13 * pos7-0-law7-gsr-a.ca.hotmail.net (64.4.63.86) 258.509 ms * 14 * * 64.4.63.12 (64.4.63.12) 264.160 ms 15 * * p1-1.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.161) 35.157 ms 16 * * * 17 p1-1.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.161) 1040.668 ms 1183.970 ms 1312.487 ms 18 * * * 19 p1-1.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.161) 4558.104 ms * 4771.710 ms 20 * * * 21 * * * Regards Dave Sadgrove Internet Technology Specialist Radionet Limited support(a)radionet.co.nz Telephone +64 9 414 0300 Facsimile +64 9 414 0999 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Slow Browsing
by David Sadgrove 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

Yup - In was fine - but out was most strange. It appears to have come mostly right now as Netgate have repaired whatever was broken. International is ramping up again and the trace routes have sorted themselves out to most sites. regards dave -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 12:07 To: David Sadgrove Cc: Nznog (E-mail) Subject: Re: Slow Browsing Looks ok in reverse dean(a)cyrus:~$ /usr/sbin/traceroute 210.55.215.254 traceroute to 210.55.215.254 (210.55.215.254), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 208.184.165.main1.above.net (208.184.165.194) 0.230 ms 0.195 ms 0.159 ms 2 core5-main1colo6-oc12.sjc2.above.net (208.185.156.81) 0.404 ms 0.238 ms 0.207 ms 3 core3-core5-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.185.156.65) 0.280 ms 0.257 ms 0.212 ms 4 pao1-sjc2-oc48.pao1.above.net (208.184.233.142) 1.013 ms 0.968 ms 0.926 ms 5 netgate-customer.pao.above.net (208.185.203.133) 1.348 ms 1.219 ms 1.473 ms 6 g2-0-2.pabr2.netgate.net.nz (202.50.245.19) 1.390 ms 1.826 ms 1.440 ms 7 p4-0.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.177) 134.196 ms 134.490 ms 134.289 ms 8 f2-0-1.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.170) 134.481 ms 134.765 ms 135.138 ms 9 radionet-int.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.14) 252.458 ms * 226.066 ms On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:05:47PM +1300, David Sadgrove wrote: > Is anyone else getting extremely slow international browsing and strange > trace routes? > > e.g. > root(a)ns1 /root]# traceroute www.hotmail.com > traceroute: Warning: www.hotmail.com has multiple addresses; using 64.4.44.7 > traceroute to www.hotmail.com (64.4.44.7), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets > 1 atm.gw.onthenet.net.nz (210.55.215.254) 1.155 ms 0.457 ms 0.458 ms > 2 a10-0-0-12.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.13) 13.557 ms > 11.289 ms 12.975 ms > 3 g2-0-3.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.169) 7.751 ms 21.443 ms > 3.048 ms > 4 p0-1-0.tkbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.162) 92.233 ms 15.704 > ms 3.839 ms > 5 ATM8-0-0-8.sb2.optus.net.au (202.139.128.97) 124.659 ms 117.207 ms * > 6 * * * > 7 bcr2-sonet6-1-0-0.Sydney.cw.net (166.63.225.165) 240.041 ms * * > 8 * * * > 9 * * bpr1-loopback.Paloaltopaix.cw.net (208.172.146.18) 245.538 ms > 10 * * microsoft-hotmail.Paloaltopaix.cw.net (206.24.241.42) 260.042 ms > 11 * * * > 12 law2-gsr-a-pos-9-0.hotmail.com (64.4.63.125) 255.464 ms * 269.320 ms > 13 * pos7-0-law7-gsr-a.ca.hotmail.net (64.4.63.86) 258.509 ms * > 14 * * 64.4.63.12 (64.4.63.12) 264.160 ms > 15 * * p1-1.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.161) 35.157 ms > 16 * * * > 17 p1-1.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.161) 1040.668 ms 1183.970 > ms 1312.487 ms > 18 * * * > 19 p1-1.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.161) 4558.104 ms * > 4771.710 ms > 20 * * * > 21 * * * > > Regards > Dave Sadgrove > Internet Technology Specialist > Radionet Limited > support(a)radionet.co.nz > Telephone +64 9 414 0300 Facsimile +64 9 414 0999 > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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