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FW: [O/T] T1 -> E1 converter
by Gary Wicks 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

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DOMAINZ Review Terms of Reference
by DPF 08 Sep '00

08 Sep '00

I have been asked by ISOCNZ Council to draft up terms of reference for the independent review of DOMAINZ's new DRS or Domain Registration System. As this list would comprise a large proportion of the major agents and users I am seeking feedback on the draft terms before I send them formally to Council next week. Feedback is welcome to the list or direct to me. DRAFT TERM OF REFERENCE OF INDEPENDENT REVIEW The review is to be comprehensive and focus not just on the technical issue of the implementation of the DRS but the entire project from conception to the present day. The reviewer should include sections on, but not feel limited to: - system design - system implementation - risk management - governance - documentation - communications - technical issues - and most importantly recommendations Specific aspects that should be covered (but not limited to) are - final cost vs budgeted cost and reasons for any variations - details of responsibilities between ISOCNZ, DOMAINZ Board, DOMAINZ staff and any contractors including who approved and who recommended key details - A full listing of reported user problems with the new system, the reasons for them, have they been remedied and whether they were foreseeable. The lack of notification of zone changes to especially be covered - Details of consultation and feedback over the entirety of the project and how, if at all, this was fed into the final system. - A clear summary of what the perceived benefits of the new system were to various stakeholders (ISOCNZ, ISPs, Agents and users) and what input the stakeholders had into the fundamental concepts behind the design - What documentation was prepared for users of the systems, including ISPs and Agents, and the adequacy of such documentation The reviewer should at a minimum consult with (including traveling to interview if necessary) the following people and groups - DOMAINZ Board, DOMAINZ staff, ISOCNZ Councillors and Technical Committee, Contractors working on the project, major NZ based ISPs and Agents. Submissions from any interested party (including domain name holders) should also be called for. The principles of natural justice should be adhered to and any allegations or opinions should be put to the other parties concerned for their comment. The reviewer's report will be made public. If there is any evidence which can not legally be made public this should be referred to in the public report, but not detailed. A fuller report, if necessary, which includes confidential information shall go to the DOMAINZ Board only. DPF ________________________________________________________________________ <david at farrar dot com> NZ Usenet FAQs - http://www.dpf.ac.nz/usenet/nz ICQ 29964527 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Remote hands in Santa Clara, California.
by Rob Isaac 04 Sep '00

04 Sep '00

Folks, I've got a colo that needs to be dismantled in Santa Clara, California, USA. I'm having some trouble with the contractors we had arranged to do it, so I'm considering using someone else. Anyone have any clueful friends in the area, or have some contractors they might have used before? TIA. <R>< --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Aug '00

31 Aug '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just under 170 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the NetForum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in the first week of October. For further details of the conference, see http://www.uniforum.org.nz/netforum/ . Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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MEDIA: Sydney Morning Herald - Telstra Blacklist Story. (fwd)
by Alan Brown 27 Aug '00

27 Aug '00

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:42:56 +0900 From: Glenn Barry <gbarry(a)SYDNEY.NET> Subject: MEDIA: Sydney Morning Herald - Telstra Blacklist Story. Posted just for the record and future reference: http://www.smh.com.au/news/0008/28/bizcom/bizcom1.html ============================= Telstra on black list because of spamming Junk mail over the Net arouses strong passions. Kevin Morrison explores the issues. Telstra has long boasted that it wants to become a major player in the Internet world butmany in cyberspace accuse Telstra of harbouring the Internet community's number one enemy, spammers. "Spam" unsolicited emails have become the vehicle of 21st century snake-oil salesmen, offering various schemes and services, to millions of recipients. Spam clogs up email in-boxes, slows down Internet traffic and overloads the systems of Internet service providers, hence the unpopularity of its perpetrators. "They can really cause havoc because systems get overloaded and it is impossible to get off a spam list, so people get annoyed as the junk can take hours to clear," said one Internet user, who did not want to be named because of concerns that he would be targeted by spammers. Being the telecommunications carrier that transports the spam, Telstra has landed in hot water among the Internet community. Over the past three months Telstra has been among the most unpopular Internet organisations on "anti-spam" information Web site Spamcop (web address http://spamcop.net) "Telstra serves a country of 20 million people and yet it has been the most complained about network for several months. So Telstra has not got a good reputation in the Internet world," the Internet user said. Anti-spam groups such as ORBS and MAPS have formed to fight these rogues of the Net, with a mission to drive them off the Internet. The most effective way to do that is to cut off links to the telecommunications operator that allows spammers to connect to their network. The anti-spam groups have achieved some measure of success. In March US Internet backbone carrier AGIS (Apex Global Internet Services) was forced into bankruptcy after it became an outcast in the Internet community over its refusal to rid its network of spammers. "The anti-spam organisations should not be underestimated," the Internet user said. Last week ORBS temporarily put a black ban on Telstra, which meant that the 200 plus Internet service providers that subscribe to ORBS from around the world would not receive email coming from the Telstra network. Given that Telstra is the largest carrier of Internet traffic in Australia that means a lot of emails sent last week were bounced back to their senders, including messages sent from The Sydney Morning Herald email system to New Zealand-based ORBS administrator Mr Alan Brown. Mr Brown said Telstra had been put on the ORBS black list because of its slowness to disconnect notorious spammers. Mr Brown said Telstra's treatment of two alleged spammers, Mr Phil Basten and Mr Dean Westbury, who are directors of company named Global Web Solutions, had triggered the ORBS action. Telstra spokesman Mr Stuart Gray acknowledged the two men were spammers and that Telstra had cut their connection to its Big Pond service. Despite Telstra claims that the pair were disconnected, Messrs Basten and Westbury were still operating late last week. "They are playing the game of multiple names, multiple identities, and they keep on popping up. But it is hard to know that they are going to be spammers when they first set up," Mr Gray said. The two men are also being watched by the Australian Securities and Investment Commission. "We are monitoring some of the activities of these gentlemen," an ASIC spokeswoman said. However, Mr Basten told the Herald that he was not a spammer and that he and Mr Westbury provided Web-hosting services and programs that allowed customers to bulk mail. He said that some of his customers appeared to be spammers. "We didn't know anything about it. It looks like there are four out of about 100 customers that have been spamming and we had no way of knowing. "The first thing I knew about it was when Telstra closed down our service and that has cost us a lot of money. So I am going to get our lawyers and try and get that money back from Telstra," Mr Basten said. A Telstra spokesman said that they had enough evidence to prove that Mr Basten and Mr Westbury were spammers. Australia's Internet carriers have not been as active as their US counterparts in stamping out spamming. In the US, where spamming activities first started, ISPs have become more active in cutting spammers from their network, issuing heavy fines and strict conditions that customers must adhere to. Both Telstra and Optus claim to have stringent anti-spam policies on their networks, prohibiting users from carrying out "unacceptable Internet behaviour such as spamming." However, Mr Brown said both carriers had been very slow to react to spamming. "Optus have not responded to any complaints that I have made to them. The Cable & Wireless group worldwide has a bad reputation in the Internet community where they are known as Clueless and Witless," Mr Brown said. With the Internet increasingly moving to wireless platforms, such as WAP on mobile phones, spamming is expected to spread even further unless carriers jump on it. With several carriers expected to participate in the mobile Internet space, the choices will increase for spammers. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: WIX Route Reflectors
by James Tyson 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

> So, let me get this straight. He gets troubles when he receives routes > from you directly, and then again via the route server? Yeah. Turns out he's running some horrible system based on gated. > Which means that the other 40 odd peers of the route servers will no > longer have direct paths to xtra's networks (of that 40, maybe half are on > private ASN, so can't easily peer directly with xtra), and vice versa. > I'm happy to not send updates we receive from xtra on to users xtra peer > directly with, but I need you to tell me who those peers are. If you > don't want us to send Xtra updates Plain, I'll knock 'em on the head > immediately. Personally, I'd hope that was a better solution that just > dropping the route server peering completely (it's what we do for > Paradise and Netlink, for example). What we have been doing in the past (and what we are doing now, for that matter) is to add our routes into the mix, but not learn anything from the route reflectors. > Thats going to be a tad pointless, when you've dropped your peer, and > Matthew currently has his peering down! Can you cut and paste some > examples of where the route server is doing something wrong? 'praps you > could give me a call on 025 XXX XXX, or let me know your number, and I'll > call you. Yeah, I realised that just after I sent you the last mail. However, allowing routes from the WIX route reflectors to enter our network raises trust issues. The problem being, I know of you, Mr Blake, but I'm afraid I don't know you (god I love that line, thank's Chris Roberts for giving us the wing commander movie!). I would rather under-utilise our WIX connection by using only explicit domestic peering with other large peers, whom I know how to contact, than use route reflectors, both of which are under a completely different routing domain, and can potentially have conflicting policies with mine. This is not, however, a personal attack on yourself, your administrative abilities, or your network, but merely a statement of fact. I cannot allow routes from unknown and untrusted sources to be injected into my AS unless stringent measures are undertaken on your part to ensure the sanity of said advertisements. I will however allow our network to learn routes from you if you are able to give documented evidence that every route is under the strict control of the WIX. In an effort to help, I am willing to send you a prefix-list of Xtra's networks. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ICMP broadcast amplifier list (fwd)
by Alan Brown 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

For those not on Bugtraq. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:40:39 -0700 From: Troy Davis <troy(a)NACK.NET> To: BUGTRAQ(a)SECURITYFOCUS.COM Subject: ICMP broadcast amplifier list netscan.org has rechecked all routed /24s for ICMP directed broadcasts (smurf amplification) and made public the complete list of misconfigured networks. The probes ran from 8/18-8/21. The results are queryable and downloadable at http://netscan.org Cheers, Troy --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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None
by None 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

JAA25389 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:31 +1200 Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1]=20 by uber.samizdat.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13PXd8-0007OO-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:18 +1200 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:18 +1200 (NZST) From: James Tyson <james(a)samizdat.co.nz> Sender: eugene(a)uber.samizdat.co.nz To: David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10008180939580.13987-100000(a)wakko.wetstring.net= > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008180953350.28229-100000(a)uber.samizdat.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII > Hmmm.. very odd, 12.0(4)T with IP/FW leaked memory like there was no > tomorrow on our 3640 :) 12.0(7)T with the same features doesn't leak > memory (that I've noticed) and doesn't drop static routes either.. >=20 > Although they are different hardware platforms, so perhaps that'll make > the difference. I will obtain said image and try that :) We have found pretty much every IOS 12 release up until 12.0([10..11])S has been either unstable, leaked memory, or had some bug with one of the interface types we are running. That's on our 7500's though. Our 7200 VXR is running 11S and is as happy as larry, and has been for some time. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions =20 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Weird BGP community stuff
by James Tyson 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

We have a router in Christchurch that seems to be sending community attributes to an EBGP peer, even though the neighbor statements dont contain the send-community argument. Does anyone know whats causing it? The router is running version 12.0(7)S1 on a 7500 series chasis. Also, on a somewhat related note, all domestic routes learned over WIX are being tagged with the community 9325:100, which is all cool. Our wix router does this: IPNWN1-B1#sh ip bgp 202.10.80.0 BGP routing table entry for 202.10.80.0/20, version 457621 Paths: (1 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table) Advertised to non peer-group peers: 202.27.158.248 202.27.176.3 202.27.176.6 202.27.176.7 202.27.176.12 203.96.111.254 9718 202.7.0.78 from 202.7.0.78 (202.10.65.24) Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 100, valid, external, best Community: 9325:100 The christchurch router says this: IPNCH1-B6#sh ip bgp 202.10.80.0 BGP routing table entry for 202.10.80.0/20, version 82178 Paths: (1 available, best #1) Advertised to non peer-group peers: 202.36.174.82 9718 202.7.0.78 (metric 179712) from 202.27.176.4 (202.27.185.135) Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 100, valid, internal, best Community: 611123300 ^^^^^^^^^ - what is this?!?!? shouldnt it be 9325:100?? Any ideas anyone has would be helpful. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Weird BGP community stuff
by Ben Martel 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

James, Your 611123300 wierdo is actually just another way of representing 9325:100. It is really two sixteen bit values added together eg. 9325*65536 = 611123200 + 100 = 611123300 ( your answer) To change this representation you need to enter the IOS command: ip bgp-community new-format Cheers Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: James Tyson [mailto:james(a)samizdat.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 18 August 2000 4:18 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Weird BGP community stuff > > > > We have a router in Christchurch that seems to be sending > community > attributes to an EBGP peer, even though the neighbor > statements dont > contain the send-community argument. Does anyone know whats > causing it? > > The router is running version 12.0(7)S1 on a 7500 series chasis. > > Also, on a somewhat related note, all domestic routes learned > over WIX are > being tagged with the community 9325:100, which is all cool. Our wix > router does this: > > IPNWN1-B1#sh ip bgp 202.10.80.0 > BGP routing table entry for 202.10.80.0/20, version 457621 > Paths: (1 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table) > Advertised to non peer-group peers: > 202.27.158.248 202.27.176.3 202.27.176.6 202.27.176.7 202.27.176.12 > 203.96.111.254 > 9718 > 202.7.0.78 from 202.7.0.78 (202.10.65.24) > Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 100, valid, external, best > Community: 9325:100 > > The christchurch router says this: > > IPNCH1-B6#sh ip bgp 202.10.80.0 > BGP routing table entry for 202.10.80.0/20, version 82178 > Paths: (1 available, best #1) > Advertised to non peer-group peers: > 202.36.174.82 > 9718 > 202.7.0.78 (metric 179712) from 202.27.176.4 (202.27.185.135) > Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 100, valid, internal, best > Community: 611123300 > ^^^^^^^^^ - what is this?!?!? shouldnt it be > 9325:100?? > > Any ideas anyone has would be helpful. > > James Tyson --- > Samizdat New Media Solutions > > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS
by Donald Neal 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

>>> "Sid Jones" <sjones(a)netlink.net.nz> 18/August/2000 11:39am >>> >Well I'm going to ask... why doesn't it just work? For a full explanation, see http://www.ubersoft.net/d/20000804.html . - Donald Neal :{)* --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS
by Scott, Arron 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Not particularly odd to me, the 12.0T stream has various "new tchnologies" and "your milage may vary". Past VERY INTENSE relationships I have had with a number of 12.0T releases indicated that various hardware platforms behave very differently with each minor-release, and the activation of one feature or another also directly affects the behaviour. The 12.1 stream includes all the features of 12.0T, and is stabilising out well, you may want to look at trialling a release in there soon, if 12.04T gives you no luck. Arron Scott Systems Engineer Cisco Systems -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of David Zanetti Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2000 14:46 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Russell Sharpe wrote: > Based on your description of required features ie BGP on a firewall > feature set, you will need the following: > > c7200-ios-mz.12.0-4.T (32/16) <<...>> S72CH-12.0.4T or S72CH-12.0.4T=, > which is IP/Firewall. Hmmm.. very odd, 12.0(4)T with IP/FW leaked memory like there was no tomorrow on our 3640 :) 12.0(7)T with the same features doesn't leak memory (that I've noticed) and doesn't drop static routes either.. Although they are different hardware platforms, so perhaps that'll make the difference. I will obtain said image and try that :) -- David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> | Crowd: "Someone else, someone else!" Moderator, nz.politics.announce | Homer: "I'm someone else!" #include <geek/unix.h> | -- The Simpsons --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS
by Donald Neal 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

James Tyson wrote: > Hmmm.. very odd, 12.0(4)T with IP/FW leaked memory like there was no > tomorrow on our 3640 :) 12.0(7)T with the same features doesn't leak > memory (that I've noticed) and doesn't drop static routes either.. > > Although they are different hardware platforms, so perhaps that'll make > the difference. I will obtain said image and try that :) We have found pretty much every IOS 12 release up until 12.0([10..11])S has been either unstable, leaked memory, or had some bug with one of the interface types we are running. That's on our 7500's though. Our 7200 VXR is running 11S and is as happy as larry, and has been for some time. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BOUNCE nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz: Admin request of type/\buns\w*b/i at line 9 -Forwarded
by Donald Neal 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

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Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS
by David Zanetti 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Have a Cisco 7206 (not the newer VXR model, the older one) and attempted last night to upgrade IOS on it from 11.2(3) to 12.0(7)T. Seemed to run okay (nothing on boot jumped out and said "broken") and pinged various bits of the network, with no problems. Left and went home :) Got to work this morning to discover "Internet broken". (Eventually) noticed that the 7206 had dropped two static routes, one of which was the default route. Hmmm.. Add them back, and a few minutes later they disappear again. Hmmmm.. Perhaps it's something odd comming from the BGP sessions with the WIX route server? Drop BGP, it still forgets the static routes after a few minutes. At this point we decided to back out of the IOS upgrade, and rebooted with 11.2(3), which has been running fine since. We do have a 3640 with the same feature set/revision, and it doesn't exhibit this problem. Suggestions? Give up on 12.0(7)T and pick a later release? Give up on the 12.0 tree altogether? Give up on IOS and Cisco altogether? :)) -- David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> | Crowd: "Someone else, someone else!" Moderator, nz.politics.announce | Homer: "I'm someone else!" #include <geek/unix.h> | -- The Simpsons --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WIX Route Reflectors
by James Tyson 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Just so that everyone knows; I have disabled Xtra's peering sessions with the WIX route reflectors and am falling back to direct peering arrangements with other ISP's and networks. If you need to ask why, then take a look at some of the AS-path's that thing is propagating. If you do not have a direct peering arrangement with Xtra over the WIX then I suggest that you mail me at james.tyson(a)team.xtra.co.nz, and do it fast, because I am leaving next friday. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Open spam relay at Port of Nelson
by Alan Brown 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <chops30(a)earthlink.net> Delivered-To: <aroberts(a)manawatu.gen.nz> Received: from gateway.pnl.co.nz (smtp.pnl.co.nz [210.54.242.145]) by mailhost.manawatu.net.nz (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e7G3SW530095 for <aroberts(a)manawatu.gen.nz>; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:28:32 +1200 Received: from sdn-ar-001tnknoxP108.dialsprint.net_[206.133.83.68] (sdn-ar-001tnknoxP108.dialsprint.net [206.133.83.68]) by gateway.pnl.co.nz (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20790; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:58:23 +1200 From: chops30(a)earthlink.net Received: from 206.133.83.68 by sdn-ar-001tnknoxP108.dialsprint.net with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:57:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00003536566a$000005ed$00004503(a)206.133.83.68> To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)gateway.pnl.co.nz> Subject: Gain Financial Success Today!! 17667 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:57:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal <HTML> FOLLOW ME TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!! I Am looking for people with good work ethic and extrordinary desire to earn at least $10,000 per month working from home! NO SPECIAL SKILLS OR EXPERIENCE REQUIRED We will give you all the training and personal support you will need to ensure your success! This LEGITIMATE HOME-BASED INCOME OPPORTUNITY can put you back in control of your time,your finances,and your life! If you've tried other opportunities in the past that have failed to live up their promises, THIS IS DIFFERENT THEN ANYTHING ELSE YOU'VE SEEN! THIS IS NOT A GET RICH QUICK SCHEME! YOUR FINANCIAL PAST DOES NOT HAVE TO BE YOUR FINANCIAL FUTURE! CALL ONLY IF YOU ARE SERIOUS! 1-800-345-9708 DONT GO TO SLEEP WITHOUT LISTENING TO THIS! "ALL our dreams can come true- if we have the courage to persue them" -Walt Disney Please Leave Your Name And Number And Best Time To Call DO NOT RESPOND BY EMAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is sent in compliance of the new email bill section 301.PerSection 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618. We will comply with all removal requests.Just Put Remove mailto:bagboy(a)burmeses.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------</HTML> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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spam relay at actrix: MISC: There's a Fungus (Spammer didn't rhyme) Among Us (fwd)
by Alan Brown 12 Aug '00

12 Aug '00

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:37:10 -0400 From: Up Yours Spammer <up.yours.spammer(a)MINDSPRING.COM> Subject: MISC: There's a Fungus (Spammer didn't rhyme) Among Us My Up.Yours.Spammer(a)mindspring.com address was created solely for receiving postings from SPAM-L and has never been used publicly anywhere else. Locate the slime bag who sent this and you'll locate a Spammer on this list who's snagging addresses. Insert applicable rule re: disclaimer at the bottom. Lart sent to @home for remove address. X-Persona: <Up Yours Spammer> Return-Path: <sea(a)home.com> Received: from angel.actrix.co.nz ([203.96.16.105]) by niles.mail.mindspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id spb8mp.bth.37kbi1o Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ROTWILER1J - 38.29.28.108 by angel.actrix.co.nz with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1774.114.11); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:17:13 +1200 To: sea(a)home.com From: sea(a)home.com Comments: Authenticated sender is <sea(a)home.com> Reply-to: sea(a)home.com Subject: Make $1,000 a day with E-Marketing Message-Id: <200008123477ZAA48793(a)post.96.23.127> Date: 13 Aug 2000 07:17:34 +1200 <snipped> (Offer expires 8-14-00) http://www.smtm1.com http://www.nightauto.com ________________________________________________________________ ********************* This is a 100% opt-in email list. You are recieving this message because you have either subscribed to our newsletter or indicated that you want to recieve this type of email on another website. If you feel that you have recieved this message in error, please send an email to: sea(a)home.com with "Remove" as your subject. We immediately honor all requests to be removed from this list. This message is being sent to you in compliance with the Federal legislation for commercial e-mail (H.R.4176 - Section 101, Paragraph (e)(1)(a)) and Bill s.1618 Title III passed by the 105th US Congress. ********************* --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Fwd: Re: surge in spam email (fwd)
by Andy Linton 10 Aug '00

10 Aug '00

Well I found this a reasonably rational description of the problem and amusing at the same time so I thought I'd share it with you all..... >X-Sieve: cmu-sieve 1.3 >Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu >X-Authentication-Warning: world.std.com: bzs set sender to >bzs(a)world.std.com using -f >From: Barry Shein <bzs(a)world.std.com> >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:59:25 -0400 (EDT) >To: woods(a)weird.com (Greg A. Woods) >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: surge in spam email (fwd) >X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.5.2 >Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu >X-Loop: nanog > > > > >I think if *everyone* stood up at once and declared that open relays > >were bad for us all then there wouldn't be too much trouble because > >there'd be nowhere for frustrated customers to jump to! ;-) > >Ya know, Greg, if everyone in China jumped off a 12 inch stool >simultaneously it'd cause a tidal wave which would sweep over the >entire United States. > >Or maybe not. > >But it's not worth losing sleep over. > >I'm not really trying to be too sarcastic, but I think your world-view >of what the net has become is anachronistic and the idea that some >project like ORBS is going to harass every open-relay in the world, >every workstation capable of forwarding mail for example, into >behaving better is at this point in time kinda like the Chinese >footstool tidal wave (is that from Dr Strangelove? whatever.) > >No, we need a legislative approach, with some technical support to >help increase the likelihood that spammers who break the law will get >caught. But first it has to be illegal, or else it's all for naught. > >Put it this way: I consider my house locked up even if I do have glass >windows, and even if glass is rather easy to break. > >If it were legal for a person of ill intent to break the glass to get >into my house to rob me the first approach would not in my mind be to >board up all the glass unless I really lived in some mad max anarchy. > >I'd first want to see it made illegal to break into my property. > >Then, with reasonable diligence, I can enjoy the sunshine and spend my >time and money on more important things than trying to engineer it so >it's impossible to break in. > >Or at least I can do the cost/benefit analysis from the situation >where it's illegal to break in, rather than just a stupid cat and >mouse game as we're currently playing with spammers most of the time. > > > The Walrus and the Carpenter > Were walking close at hand; > They wept like anything to see > Such quantities of sand: > "If this were only cleared away," > They said, "It would be grand!" > > "If seven maids with seven mops > Swept for half a year, > Do you suppose," the walrus said, > "That they could get it clear?" > "I doubt it," said the Carpenter, > And shed a bitter tear. > > >-- > -Barry Shein > >Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.TheWorld.com >Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD >The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo* --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Open IP Directed Broadcast List... (fwd)
by Alan Brown 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

For those not on Bugtraq. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:59:37 -0400 From: dies <dies(a)PULLTHEPLUG.COM> To: BUGTRAQ(a)SECURITYFOCUS.COM Subject: Open IP Directed Broadcast List... Well, I've rescanned the Internet. I've chosen to scan down to /27 subnets this time. My new list of open broadcasts is available at.... http://www.pulltheplug.com If you are an ISP or work for one, PLEASE VISIT THIS SITE AND CHECK FOR YOUR NETWORKS OR DOWNSTREAMS!! If there are no broadcasts to use, there are no broadcast based attacks! 125102 networks broken...I've posted the top 4000 amp sites this time around... As always I'm looking for help...If you think you can help out, email me. Enjoy --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 06 Aug '00

06 Aug '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just over 160 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. (The addresses aitken(a)voyager.co.nz and stevebar(a)ihug.co.nz have been removed. The users of those addresses are welcome to re-subscribe with addresses which work.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the Uniforum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in the first week of October. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spammers at NZNET: SPAM: Fwd: ClientTell Newsletter - Marketing Tips (fwd)
by Alan Brown 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

NZNET traces through CLIX, clienttell.com traces through netgate. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:56:13 -0400 Subject: SPAM: Fwd: ClientTell Newsletter - Marketing Tips Anyone (AB?) with insider knowledge of this yoyo <stephen(a)clienttell.com> in Kiwiland? He even had the balls to put his photo into the sig (and he's just as ugly as Rodent's better side....) and apparently is not even trying to hide who he is. We just got a few of these 23 Kb spewages in. and it looks like it's a continuing run. TGIF for the chickenboners - but this looks like professionalism - or a joe-job. TIA Paul whois -h whois.networksolutions.com clienttell.com ... Registrant: S R ANDREWS (CLIENTTELL-DOM) 4 Blakeborough Drive Forrest Hill Auckland, NZ 1310 NZ Domain Name: CLIENTTELL.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact: Andrews, Stephen (SA4085) stephen(a)NZNET.GEN.NZ NZNet Internet Services Limited Unit C1 - 5 Douglas Alexander Parade North Harbour Industrial Estate Auckland NZ +64 9 914 0058 (FAX) +64 9 914 0040 Record last updated on 07-Nov-1999. Record expires on 07-Nov-2001. Record created on 07-Nov-1999. Database last updated on 4-Aug-2000 14:26:02 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.CLIENTTELL.COM 203.167.232.54 NS2.NZNET.GEN.NZ 210.54.156.35 >X-Persona: <z-default-stormy> >Return-Path: <ezine(a)clienttell.com> >Received: from bo.nznet.gen.nz (bo.nznet.gen.nz [210.54.156.34]) > by eagle.reach.net (8.10.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e74NOQj04691; > Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:24:26 -0400 >X-Envelope-From: ezine(a)clienttell.com >Received: from localhost (roscoe.nznet.gen.nz [210.54.156.38]) > by bo.nznet.gen.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07978; > Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:12:25 +1200 >Message-Id: <200008042312.LAA07978(a)bo.nznet.gen.nz> >X-Sender: ezine(a)clienttell.com >From: Stephen Andrews <ezine(a)clienttell.com> >To: "ClientTells Free For All Links Site" <ezine(a)clienttell.com> >Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:12:02 +1200 >Subject: ClientTell Newsletter - Marketing Tips >Reply-To: ezine(a)clienttell.com >Organization: ClientTell Marketing >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001__8215413_40322.45" >Status: > [snip a bunch of html] >Article by Stephen Andrews is the owner of NZNET Internet Services Ltd (Since 1994), an Internet Service Provider based in New Zealand that specializes in Internet solutions for small to medium businesses. He is a qualified Electrical Engineer who has specialized in Telecommunication Systems. He has the concept that a business should be automated as much as possible to be competitive in todays marketplace. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mail flood from 202.46.160.18 (www-wlg.domainz.net.nz)
by Mark Seward 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

Just a heads up in case any other ISPs are seeing the same thing.. I've had to block inbound traffic from www-wlg.domainz.net.nz - the load average on our primary MX was at a nice healthy 97 thanks to an extremely large number of connections originating from this mail server. Thankfully, we were dropping it all on the floor because the sender domain doesn't exist (why not?): ruleset=check_mail, arg1=<4Service(a)wlg-iis.domainz.net.nz>, relay=www-wlg.domainz.net.nz [202.46.160.18], reject=501 5.1.8 <4Service(a)wlg-iis.domainz.net.nz>... Domain of sender address 4Service(a)wlg-iis.domainz.net.nz does not exist Domainz, please investigate and explain. I suspect whatever caused this will have left a large amount of mail queued on 202.46.160.18 waiting to be sent on. Regards, - -- Mark Seward [ Network Operations Manager ] Paradise Net Telstra Saturn Limited Phone: 0800 467272 Fax: 0800 367200 Email: <mds(a)tsnz.net> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Heads-up: Kiwi spammer looking for a new home (fwd)
by Alan Brown 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

Terminated off 2day.com last night (25 domains) Apparently it's their second offence. === Domain Name: ESCAPEADV.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Etherington, John (JEF127) john(a)ESCAPEADVENTURES.CO.NZ Escape Adventures PO Box 3046 Richmond, 7001 NZ +6425 2307442 (FAX) +648 3261 610 AB ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:55:02 +0100 From: Malcolm Pack <spam-l(a)POTNOODLE.NET> Reply-To: SPAM-L(a)PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM To: SPAM-L(a)PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM Subject: SPAM: "Escape" NZ insertion and web host, opt-out spam (QP "fixed" by me). | Return-Path: <info(a)escapeadv.com> | Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by smtpserver.homeip.net with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1130) | id SMTP1771244673; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:29:22 +0100 | Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore | id 965211792:20:05619:2; | Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:23:12 GMT | Received: from [212.111.39.44] ([212.111.39.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net | id aa2124442; 2 Aug 2000 10:23 GMT | Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.15]) | by pegasus.net90.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e72AP1O17606; | Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:25:03 +0100 | Received: from xtr65014501 ([203.96.109.92]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz | (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP | id <20000802102718.OCZW1941812.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz(a)xtr65014501>; | Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:27:18 +1200 | Reply-To: <info(a)escapeadv.com> | From: "Escape Adventures" <info(a)escapeadv.com> | To: <info(a)escapeadv.com> | Subject: "Escape" | Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:37:11 +1200 | Message-ID: <LPBBKLKAGNJIILLBOLBNIEANCEAA.info(a)escapeadv.com> | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; | charset="Windows-1252" | X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by pegasus.net90.co.uk id e72AP1O17606 | X-Hops: 2 | | Need a break from IT pressures?. | | How about Mountain biking and Cycling in Kenya, Trekking on Kilimanjaro and | Mt Kenya, Rafting the White Nile in Uganda or Biking and Seakayaking in New | Zealand. | | ESCAPE ADVENTURES www.escapeadv.com , | Multi-Activity Adventures in Africa and New Zealand from 2-3 weeks. | | "Late booking special, 15% discount. 26th August departure, Biking in Kenya, | Trek Kilimanjaro, Gameparks and Zanzibar, 3 weeks". | | ESCAPE ADVENTURES | UK, PO Box 19598 London, SW11 1GA. Ph 020 7801 9516. | NZ, PO Box 3046, Richmond, Nelson. Ph +64 3 5489929. | USA, 181 Mt Owen Drive, Driggs, ID 83422.Ph 208 354 0967. | WWW.ESCAPEADV.COM or info(a)escapeadv.com | | | If you would like to be removed from our database please reply with "Remove" | in subject line. Most annoying is that this was harvested from one of Jobserve or Jobsite, UK recruitment listings services, of which I am a member as I am currently seeking work. The idea of a NZ escape adventure is truly tempting. Certainly worth spending my dole-money on... LARTS to abuse(a)xtra.co.nz, postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz with a comment to the effect that "opt-out = spam". -- Malcolm Pack --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Hi! Let's be friend?
by nurul＠excite.com 31 Jul '00

31 Jul '00

Hi, I am Nurul, 17, from Malaysia. From a search, I got your email from your homepage. Want to be friend? I just joined asiadragons efriend to make some new friends. Sign up is free and you can sign up too: http://friend.asiadragons.com/cgi-bin/refsign.pl?refuid=nurul Ok, I make some friends and $ lah :) So, sign up ok? And about me..... http://friend.asiadragons.com/cgi-bin/mdets.pl?uid=nurul After you join in, just write to me ok? Bye. from, Nurul Hisham --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra blacklisted by ORBS
by Paul Montgomery 28 Jul '00

28 Jul '00

Those predictions made by Alan Brown more than a month ago have turned out to be true. The following is forwarded from an Australian mailing list. Ben Elliston <bje(a)redhat.com> wrote: > This morning every IP address in my home network was blacklisted in > ORBS. Upon investigation, I discovered this in the orbs.org name > server: > > 233.38.24.203.relays.orbs.org. 20h54m17s IN TXT "Telstra - spam > haveners, refusing to act. " > > Because my ISP is a customer of Telstra Internet, my entire network > has been blacklisted. As best as I can tell _all_ networks downstream > from Telstra Internet have been blacklisted in ORBS. I have contacted > ORBS and the blacklists will remain in place until the spamming > activity originating from Telstra Internet ceases. Until then, I > cannot send email to company mailing lists. There's something wrong > with this picture. -- Paul Montgomery, CEO @ AusBONE, the ISP peering co-operative. Land: not yet Mobile: 0410 622 589 mailto:monty(a)ausbone.net --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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whois.radb.net: transition to RPSL from RIPE-181
by Chris Wedgwood 26 Jul '00

26 Jul '00

I guess most people who use whois.radb.net have already received this notification, but for those who haven't... --cw This RIPE-181 version of the database WILL BE DECOMMISSIONED on August 7, 2000, and all customer sites need to transition to the new RPSL database. Please forward this message to the appropriate staff in your organization responsible for routing policy. On 11/1/99, at 12:01:00 a.m., the default RADB database converted to RPSL. The new RPSL database server is available at: whois.radb.net 198.108.0.18 The old (and now deprecated) address was: whois-ripe181.radb.net 198.108.0.11 If you have comments or questions about the transition to RPSL, please see our Web page: http://www.radb.net Or send email to db-admin(a)radb.net. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Hello from AusBONE
by Paul Montgomery 24 Jul '00

24 Jul '00

My name is Paul Montgomery, and I am the CEO of AusBONE, which is a peering organisation in Australia (don't worry, this is not a spam). I've been watching progress at APE, WIX and NZIX with interest, since we are doing similar things in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide. I'll be lurking on this list in future, but I thought I should say hello. One of AusBONE's main activities has been to link up interstate peering exchanges within Australia. The possibility exists to connect NZ with Australia in this network, but I'm not sure about how affordable this can be. Trans-Tasman tails are cost-prohibitive, as I'm sure I don't need to tell you. If any of you have thought about this and have come up with any workable ideas, I'd love to hear from you. Also, I've put up a page on our site listing peering activities in NZ and Asia - "peer review" of this document would be appreciated. http://www.ausbone.net/apac.htm -- Paul Montgomery, CEO @ AusBONE, the ISP peering co-operative. Land: not yet Mobile: 0410 622 589 mailto:monty(a)ausbone.net --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anybody know GCS?
by Juha Saarinen 22 Jul '00

22 Jul '00

Got another one of the Sterling Casino Lines blah blah blah Florida cruises spams from Abac.com, but this time the spamvertised site seems to belong to a NZer: http://134.251.52.240/yzvfr275kx/cruise domain: gcs.co.nz admin-c: GCS Hostmaster tech-c: Gcs Hostmaster nserver: ns1.gcs.co.nz nserver: ns2.gcs.co.nz remarks: domain_datecreated: 28/10/98 remarks: holder_name: GCS Ltd. remarks: domain_name_status: 01 Current remarks: registrar: UNALLOCATED changed: postmaster(a)gcs.co.nz 19991009 source: AUTOMAGIC person: GCS Hostmaster address: Wang House,195-201 Willis Street, address: WELLINGTON, phone: +64 4 385 3399 fax-no: +64 4 385 3399 e-mail: gcs(a)dns-support.net changed: postmaster(a)gcs.co.nz 19991009 source: AUTOMAGIC person: Gcs Hostmaster address: Wang House 195-201 Willis St address: Wellington NEW ZEALAND phone: +64 4 385 3399 fax-no: +64 4 385 3399 e-mail: gcs(a)dns-support.net changed: postmaster(a)gcs.co.nz 19991009 source: AUTOMAGIC Seems to be the same as vrmark123.net and AFAICT hangs off uunet.ca with DNS by robust.net. Anybody know who GCS is/are? -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: 79E9 87B0 2A5C 335C E9CB E6BD 9AE6 8AA0 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[OT] [spam] Vodafone SIM For Sale
by Joe Abley 19 Jul '00

19 Jul '00

Hi, As part of my last-minute, poorly-planned departure from New Zealand, I have a Vodafone contract to give away. There are 30 months remaining on the current contract, which is attached to the Daytime 400 plan ($190/month, 400 free minutes any time). The contract can be changed to any other Daytime plan, e.g. Daytime 40 ($35.51/month, 40 free minutes) with no additional fees. I'll even throw in a lovely yellow Alcatel one-touch-easy handset, at no additional cost. So, if anybody was already planning to buy an after-hours support phone and fancies knocking twelve months off the contract, drop me a line -- we can just sign the contract over. You might want to change the number, of course :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Reason 0xFF not to run your system on NT -Reply
by Donald Neal 19 Jul '00

19 Jul '00

>>> "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)automagic.org> 19/July/2000 10:59pm >>> >I was just poking the accusatory finger of fun at Domainz, and >making suggestive comments about mysterious goings-on within the >Department of Testing and Registry Maintenance at Glazier. >Think of any incidental swipe at Microsoft as icing on the cake. >Gravy on the poutine, if you will. Joe then departs for his evening's curling ... - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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multi-mode GBICs
by Chris Wedgwood 19 Jul '00

19 Jul '00

Anyone out there got a couple of multi-mode GBICs lying about doing nothing? --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Reason 0xFF not to run your system on NT
by Matt Camp 18 Jul '00

18 Jul '00

Just occured when trying to update my nameserver records on domainz's new site: ---------------------------------------------- Confirmation Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14' [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Too many arguments were supplied for procedure sp_sys_email. /facility/register/ssl/Wizard.asp, line 2424 ----------------------------------------- Good one guys. The term 'Wizard.asp' really worries me here... i'm getting visions of talking paperclips. --- Matt Camp Head Geek Mercury Telecommunications --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Yay! Go NSI.
by Joe Abley 18 Jul '00

18 Jul '00

The world is full of people pretending to be registrars! jabley(a)splatter[132]$ whois -h whois.networksolutions.com sidekick.com The Data in Network Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network Solutions for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Network Solutions does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this Data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this Data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail (spam); or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Network Solutions (or its systems). Network Solutions reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy. Sorry, you shouldn't see this record. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: MBone - progress?
by Ted Grenfell 17 Jul '00

17 Jul '00

At 08:03 17/07/00, James Tyson wrote: >I have heard some pretty interesting talk out of the boys at Ihug and Xtra >might be able to come up with some content too. What sort of content is coming from Xtra James? -- Ted Grenfell Xtra ISP Performance Manager Mob 025 435 455; DDI 09 359 5854; Fax 09 355 5283 Level 12, Telecom Tower, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Bugger
by Michael Newbery 17 Jul '00

17 Jul '00

>From one of our Cisco Catalyst 2926 switches. Module 2 Log: Reset Count: 5 Reset History: Fri Jul 14 2000, 14:45:35 Tue Feb 17 1998, 16:26:26 Tue Feb 17 1998, 15:49:04 Mon Feb 16 1998, 19:43:13 SIgh. A UPS does you no good if someone removes power to the whole Comms rack. (And no, it wasn't me). I was really proud of the uptime on that switch too. Not only that, it appears to have fried one of the ports (won't enable, says it is 'faulty'). Longest lunar eclipse for 1ky, intense solar storm, what next I wonder...? -- Michael Newbery IP/IT Research Telstra Saturn "We were taken to our hotel which was called 'Demolition by Kirkpatrick & Sons'" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Open Broadcast Amplifier networks list.
by Lin Nah 16 Jul '00

16 Jul '00

Simon was too lazy to post this so I was delegated the task... Below is a copy of Simon's post to NANOG. I decided we need to post it here as there's a few lines starting with AS476x which might be of interest to certain NZNOGers. 8) Lin Simon's post to NANOG In the last couple of days I have gone though the Smurf Amplifier Registry at http://www.powertech.no/smurf/ and checked which ASNs are currently advertising the networks listed there. My listing by ASN is on my web page at: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/2000/0712.txt Please check this list for your own (and your peers/downstreams/friends) ASN and fix. You should then goto the Powertech site and check from there, if there is no problem then the Smurf Amplifier Registry will delete you from their list. I have already emailed the top 10 ASNs but I don't have a nice easy way to email the other 1000 so I have decided here would be the best start. Depending on how things go I might check again in about a month. Disclaimer 1: There are a few bugs in the data, ( I know /159s don't exist) Disclaimer 2: I didn't scan the networks, I just took the existing list and looked them up. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Wanter: NPM-4T or 2T
by J S Russell 10 Jul '00

10 Jul '00

This is going to seem like a silly question, but does anyone out there have (or know someone who has) a spare NPM-4T or 2T serial module for Cisco 4xxx series routers? I require one (personally, not for IHUG, or I'd just go buy one) but there are bugger-all of them on Ebay and none in the collections of anyone I know personally. I will happily pay minor to moderate $$$s for one, or swap it for (looks in collection) a working Cisco IGS-R router/bridge, and/or various other bits of junk. Please drop me an e-mail if you can help out. JSR -- John S Russell, IHUG Engineering Manager "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive. But lightning does all the work." - Mark Twain --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: Re: SPAM: Telstra are Shining on MAPS! (fwd)]
by Phill Groom 10 Jul '00

10 Jul '00

G'day all, I have steadfastly resisted publicly replying to Alan's comments about me on IRC and NZNOG in the past, however I feel that this latest occurrence rates mention. I have attached below the email that prompted Alan's recent post to NZNOG. I am sure that most will agree that Alan was only doing the responsible thing in fore warning us that another carriers netblock was about to be nominated for RBL, and if this one occurrence is taken in isolation then you could say that I was over reacting. This is not the case. Despite my repeated assurances that I have absolutely no influence, involvement or control over the networks and customers of Telstra Corporation Ltd (AS1221) I have continued to receive spam abuse mail from Alan. Alan has also repeatedly associated both myself and Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd with his ongoing dispute with Telstra Corp. in the public forum. Where I have received mail from Alan about those networks that I do have some influence over I have always endeavored to action them. Hopefully this post will make others aware of my position on this matter. I will leave the last word to Alan and his supporters, as I am sure that they will have more to say! Regards, Phill. Note that the thoughts related in this post are entirely my own. My employer has never blocked or null routed any networks or mail from anyone or any devices associated with orbs.org . -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz -------- Original Message -------- Alan, You know from previous emails I have sent you that I support your anti-spam aims, even if I don't agree with the way that you try to achieve it. You also know from the many emails I have sent you, that I do not have any involvement with the networks or customers of Telstra Corporation Limited (AS1221). I have repeatedly asked you to stop sending me email complaining about spam or open relays originating from within those networks directly connected to Telstra Corporation Ltd (AS1221). In the past I have read every email you have sent me, and I have forwarded copies to those that I thought may be able to address the issues you have raised. I have also done my best to ensure that the networks directly connected to Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd do not host open mail relays. As far as I can see, I was the one person within both organisations most receptive to your aims and the one person most likely to achieve something for you. As of this last SPAM email from you, this has all changed. I will no longer be reading any mail from yourself or from <anything>@orbs.org . I request that you remove pgroom(a)telstra.net and pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz from any mailing lists maintained by yourself directly or by anyone else at orbs.org. :0: * ^From: alan(a)manawatu.gen.nz /dev/null :0: * ^From: database(a)orbs.org /dev/null Regards, Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz Alan Brown wrote: > <yet another complaint about a network I have nothing to do with> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra AU headed back into MAPS RBL.
by Alan Brown 10 Jul '00

10 Jul '00

It's been widely confirmed that the new AUP has been simply created to shine MAPS on. Anyone buying bandwidth from Telstra/Saturn in NZ had better make sure that they're not in the main APNIC allocated Telstra /13, or they may find themselves caught up in the middle of it. Phil Groom's reaction to a heads up has been to play Ostrich . Nice to see the corporate culture showing though clearly. -- How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html ORBS - it's not just for filters. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 06 Jul '00

06 Jul '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just over 150 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the Uniforum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in the first week of October. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Looking for recommendations
by Tech Support 06 Jul '00

06 Jul '00

Seeking some opinions here, and hoping to draw on the collected wisdom of NZNOG ;). We are looking at finding a different registry for GTLDs. Currently we are using Network Solutions (their motto: "Send us a detailed e-mail explaining the issue and how our FAQ doesn't cover it, and we'll refer you to the FAQ!"), but are looking for somewhere where the service is a little bit better (ie exists). Leading options so far seems to be OpenSRS or INA, but we are open to suggestions. At the moment we are not processing a huge volume of these, but we are expecting this to increase. Ideally we want a fair price, fairly prompt service, good support, and the ability to run an account (or some form of pre-purchase) Please let us know who you've found do a good job and feel you can recommend. Many thanks in advance, Peter Gray Netlink Tech Support E-mail: tech-support(a)netlink.net.nz Phone: 0800 655 465 Fax: 04 922 8401 Website: www.netlink.net.nz PO Box 5358, Wellington, New Zealand "Smile," they said "things could be worse!" So I smiled, and things were worse.... --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Vertuacom
by Alan Brown 06 Jul '00

06 Jul '00

FWIW, MX records show vertuacom.com to be hosted by Paradise and whois lookups match what Simon Lyall's already posted: Registrant: Julian Angelo (VERTUACOM-DOM) 58 CAMPBELL AVE PARAPARAUMU WELLINGTON, WGTN 000000 NZ Domain Name: VERTUACOM.COM Billing Contact: Julian, Angelo (AJN83) julian.a(a)PARADISE.NET.NZ 58 CAMPBELL AVE PARAPARAUMU Wellington, WGTN 000000 NZ +64 4 9041186 Record last updated on 31-Jan-2000. Record expires on 31-Jan-2001. Record created on 31-Jan-2000. Database last updated on 5-Jul-2000 20:51:56 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: RACHEL.PARADISE.NET.NZ 203.96.152.4 KIRSTY.PARADISE.NET.NZ 203.96.152.12 Phil, it would be a good idea to arrange a visit frm the Orbital Anvil Delivery System. The Brazilian site used for the last spam run appears to be an open relay at first glance (it accepts all test messages), but isn't. According to the Brazilian antispam team (antispam.org.br), it may well be a spam haven, based on domain names in the same netblock. They're working with BRnic to try and find out more. AB -- How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html ORBS - it's not just for filters. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spammer - Vertuacom (back again)
by Simon Lyall 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

Please make sure you warn your accounts people about this guy. This is at least his 4th ISP. I have the name of the police contact for this person somewhere if people want to contact me directly. I'll hunt out my old files on this guy tomorrow. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz Return-Path: <seebelow(a)belowtext.com> Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 1718 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2000 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from mx1-1.ihug.co.nz (HELO mx1.ihug.co.nz) (203.29.168.196) by kate.ihug.co.nz with SMTP; 4 Jul 2000 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from mq1tmp.compass.net.nz [203.97.100.70] by mx1.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 139XPc-0006xL-00; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:27:12 +1200 Received: from 210.249.108.18 (IP203-97-103-17.compass.net.nz [203.97.103.17]) by mq1tmp.compass.net.nz (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA15871; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:28:37 +1200 From: seebelow(a)belowtext.com Message-Id: <200007041828.GAA15871(a)mq1tmp.compass.net.nz> To: Subject: , Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:26:58 +1200 X-Sender: seebelow(a)belowtext.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Quotation of the day: "Why not go out on a limb? Isn't that where the fruit is?" -- Frank Scully July 5 2000 Vertuacom New Zealand E-mail vertua(a)post.com PO Box 1724 Paraparumu Beach Ph 04 298 3452 Fax 04 298 3452 Good morning, We supply the most effective marketing tool available today for use in any type of business; this is bulk electronic direct mail. Never before has any company or organization been able to communicate so fast and accurately to any given group of people. Electronic mail is the method of communication of the future that is here now. Our latest technology lets us send 000's of pieces of mail to a targeted audience in seconds. Targeted Direct Email is the most powerful and least expensive method of both online and off-line advertising available. It works, to give your company massive instant exposure thus producing a fast response (sales). Vertuacom has become known as the leader in website and product promotion. By utilizing the power of targeted direct mail we produce results for our clients that are nothing short of excellent. There is so much power in direct electronic mail, it enables you to advertise to a group of people of your choice i.e. you choose who you target market is. Vertuacom in no way supports the bad practice of spamming; we stand for responsible direct mail i.e. mails targeted towards a select group. Many businesses and corporations have been put off using e-mail as a marketing tool, as spammers have tarnished its image. Many irresponsible bulk mailers have sent out large amounts of mail to people whom they know nothing about. These companies have not tried to mail to those who would have any interest in their products or services, but have merely sent there mailings out blindly. Also hyped up bogus offers and pornography have given people a bad image of the direct mail industry. Every piece of mail we send out is given the option of being removed from our database, as we have done in this mailing to you, at the bottom of the page see removal instructions. This is called responsible Direct mail. Our business comprises of three parts: 1. Electronic mail address collection: Our collection is one of the largest in the world; currently we hold over 25 million addresses. We maintain databases of addresses that are all current and are mailer friendly. Through Vertuacom you are able to access over ten thousand different categories of addresses. Try Us to see if we have a database of the industry that you would like to market your products/services in. We are also able to supply you with the name of the person who owns each e-mail address, Thus making it easy to personalize mailings e.g. Dear Jan as you are in the food industry, you may very well find this... could profit your business. Addresses are categorized according to user type and in most case country e.g. Universities in Australia. Many groups of addresses can also be broken down into smaller groups e.g. the engineering departments within Universities in Australia. Our costs are set at very competitive rates. Addresses ranges from 50 cents to 8 cents, depending on quantity and user type. Please contact us for further pricing. 1.a We currently have a collection of nearer 100,000 addresses for New Zealand. This is good if you want to broadcast your product or service to a New Zealand audience only. 2. Finding service This is a totally unique service where we hunt down specific types of addresses required. If we are not holding a certain category of addresses that you require we will endeavor to create a database of that particular category for you. 3. Sending service Yes we will send mail for you. There are no limits to the quantity. Prices to send mail range from 20 cents to 8 depending on quantity. Please contact us for a quote. Some basic facts about bulk mailing. What is bulk emailing? Simply stated, bulk emailing is an innovative and cost effective way to market your product and/or service on the Internet to thousands of potential customers. When done correctly, bulk email can boost your profits and sales like you never imagined. Millions of people get on the Internet to look for specific information. It's the perfect place to send advertisements, sales letters or other useful information to potential customers. Is bulk email profitable? Yes. On a cost per sale basis, bulk email pulls in more orders than any other advertising method. In dollars and cents, why is bulk email so profitable? Compare the costs associated with the most commonly used direct advertising methods. These are: Direct Mail Fax Broadcasting Bulk Email Lets say you decided to mail just 1000 sales letters to a list of prospects via these 3 methods listed above. Keep in mind that in the examples listed below we will be conservative. Most businesses test and start their campaigns at no less than 5000 advertisements. 1000 Piece Direct Mail Campaign: A 1000 piece direct mailing will cost approximately $640. - Postage: $320 - Mailing List: $80 - Envelopes: $40 - Printing: $100 - Envelope Stuffing: $100 Total Costs: $640 The negative aspects of this is: 1. The cost 2.The-turnaround time involved can take weeks. Printing, putting in envelopes and delivery is not an immediate process. 1000 Piece Fax Broadcasting Campaign: An average cost of what company's charge for this service is. - Total Cost: $300 Wasting paper can anger people. 1000 Piece E-mail Campaign: Approximately $170 (average figure) Your turnaround time varies because people read their email at different hours of the day. But the industry standard is form a few hours to 2 days. This is why many Corporations and businesses are turning to Targeted Bulk Electronic Mailing. Not only does bulk email cancel the long turnaround time of most traditional advertising methods, but it almost eliminates most of your advertising expenses. Is bulk email illegal? Currently, there are no laws against sending bulk email. Many well-known companies are profiting from bulk email right now. Companies viewpoints/success with direct mail. "America Online's own product pitches, made to customers as they sign on, are phenomenally successful. They are the profit driver for the company." *Greg Shove, V.P. of America Online "A gold mine for those who can take advantage of bulk email programs." *The New York Times "Email is an incredible lead generation tool." *Crains Magazine "Apart from creating a web page for your company, there's another method of online advertising that has powerful potential. I'm speaking of bulk email, a method of targeting appropriate online readers by the thousands or even millions. And with a simple click of the mouse, you can send them your marketing letter instantly." *Entrepreneur Magazine "Blows traditional marketing away." *Advertising Age "It's truly arrived. Email is the killer app so far in the online world." On balance Direct Electronic Mail is the Superior marketing tool as it produces an almost immediate response, the results are easily measurable, it is cost effective and unlike few other mediums of advertising you are able to target your audience thus keeping costs down. I look forward to your response. Kind Regards Julian Vertuacom marketing Manager To be included in our regular mailing list please reply to vertua(a)post.com and type include in the subject line To be removed reply to vertua(a)post.com and type remove in the subject line --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom outage
by Phill Groom 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

G'day again, Apparently there is a Telecom fiber cut in the Murchison area. They have advised us that worst case would be a fix by 8PM tonight. Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Possible Telecom outage
by Phill Groom 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

G'day all, You may like to know that Telecom have advised that they have 3 x 140Meg bearers down on the South Island westcoast affecting many thousands of their customers in Nelson, Greymouth etc. We were advised that this outage started at about 10:42 today. We have not been given an ETR by Telecom. Regards, Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra Saturn to pull out of NZIX
by jabley＠netlink.net.nz 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

Telstra Saturn have been considering the future of their presence at NZIX for some time, and the decision has now been made to stop peering with other networks over that exchange. Telstra Saturn has broadband access to other large provider networks over the APE and WIX, and these newer exchanges are currently where the vast majority of peering traffic between Telstra Saturn and other networks is being carried. Private inter-provider circuits also carry peering traffic in Auckland and Wellington. The simplification of traffic management accommodated by this change should improve performance from Telstra Saturn to other networks. However, we are happy to manage the transition in conjunction with other operators to ensure that the change is made smoothly -- please contact me directly if your organisation has any specific requirements in this regard. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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faxes
by Simon Lyall 02 Jul '00

02 Jul '00

Okay, weird question of the day, slightly off topic. Is anyone else getting corrupt faxes for "Telecom Network Planned Outage Advice" fax outs (ie when they are operating on circuits). The last 2 or 3 have been very unreadable down the left hand side but no other faxes they we get have been (and I've run a few test ones). yes/no ? -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contact details.
by Simon Lyall 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

A while (actually 12 months) ago there was a discussion about having a list of contact details of ISP/other Nocs for emergency or other (ie setting up peering) reasons. Are people still interested in setting this up? Even if not I would advise people to get on the list (and keep a bookmark) at: http://puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.cgi which lists most of the larger providers. Just go to http://puck.nether.net/netops/admin.html to add yourself. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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whois & 'person' objects
by Chris Wedgwood 26 Jun '00

26 Jun '00

Silly question perhaps, but one that I've not been able to find an answer to: Now that NSI has competitors, how does one lookup 'contact' objects via whois? I've tried various whois clients to see if there is some magic incarnation, but alas, none of them seem to support this. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [isocnz-l]ORBS
by Juha Saarinen 25 Jun '00

25 Jun '00

So, can we expect an official press release on AOL and UUNET teaming up with ORBS? I'd like to write something about. I'll contact AOL and UUNET of course for official comment, but would like to hear from you as well. And apologies for posting this to ISOCNZ-L instead of NZNOG as I intended to. -- Juha %-> -----Original Message----- %-> From: isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz %-> [mailto:isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz]On Behalf Of Alan Brown %-> Sent: Sunday, 25 June 2000 6:56 p.m. %-> To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz %-> Subject: RE: [isocnz-l]ORBS %-> %-> %-> On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Juha Saarinen wrote: %-> %-> > So UUNET NL is cooperating with you in running the ORBS tester? %-> %-> So is America Online. %-> %-> AB %-> -- %-> How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html %-> ORBS - it's not just for filters. %-> %-> %-> _______________________________________________________ %-> isocnz-l is an open mailing list created for the discussion of %-> issues relevant to the Internet community in New Zealand. Views %-> expressed are not necessarily the views of ISOCNZ. %-> _____________________________________________ %-> %-> go to http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-l %-> for subscription/unsubscription information. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone recommend a skilled JRun/apache guru?
by Craig Reynolds 15 Jun '00

15 Jun '00

Hi, I find myself in need of a guru in all things JRun/Apache based. However, trolling through the long lists of web people that I know, no-one wants to touch this stuff. Does anyone have knowledge of a suitable person or company? Regards, Craig -- Craig Reynolds Phone: +64-4-9395234 Systems Engineer Fax: +64-4-9395220 Chello Broadband Mobile:+64-21-2222423 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Want to peer? baby yeah!
by Simon Blake 13 Jun '00

13 Jun '00

Hi Mark On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Mark Seward wrote: > Hi Simon, > > I've just set up peering with 202.7.0.2.. > > Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ Up/Down State/PfxRcd > 202.7.0.2 4 9439 243 151 1764243 0 0 01:12:55 180 > 202.7.0.3 4 9439 317993 218560 1764243 0 0 1d21h 579 > > Should the number of prefixes on each be that different? In theory, no, but in practice, yes, since not everybody is peering with the second route server yet, so it's not receiving and redistributing all the same prefixes that the older route server is. Other than having identical configs, the two route servers are completely independant - they don't peer with each other as there seemed little point in taking routes from the old RS to the new RS when the whole point of this is to provide some security again failure in either RS. So give it time, I'd expect the number of prefixes to tend toward equivalence as more people peer with both. Ideally, I'd like to get everybody peering with both RS by the end of the month, as around about then Citylink is moving machine rooms, and with two route servers we can provide continuity of service even while one of them is in the back of my car :-). At the same time, one of the route servers will move to some other point on Citylink, to provide some geographical diversity. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Want to peer? baby yeah!
by James Tyson 13 Jun '00

13 Jun '00

I have put aside most of today for streamlining the BGP peering arrangements Xtra has at WIX in wellington. If anyone else is interested in setting up direct peering over WIX today then please email on james.tyson(a)team.xtra.co.nz today. Cheers. - James Tyson --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APE/WIX Peering
by James Tyson 13 Jun '00

13 Jun '00

Has anyone bothered to set up an RADB for use by APE and WIX connected ISP's? I think this would be a really good idea, coz I hate having to email people whenever we add networks or whatever. Mmkay. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domestic BGP Peering Maillinglist.
by James Tyson 12 Jun '00

12 Jun '00

Hey, does anyone know if there is currently an email list for domestic peering discussion and prefix-list updates, that sort of thing? If not, is it a good idea for me to set one up, or shall we just use nznog? Yup yup yup. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Public Free DNS Server
by Leon Toh 12 Jun '00

12 Jun '00

Hi I'm looking for free public DNS server to be allow configuration of a secondary DNS. Does anyone know any of this services available locally for NZ and Australia. Thanks. Leon --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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mail problems at clear?
by Simon Blake 10 Jun '00

10 Jun '00

Afternoon all. Just by way of a change on nznog, I thought I'd ask an operational question :-). Anybody know if there's weirdness going on at Clear? turtle:~$ telnet mx1.clear.net.nz 25 Trying 203.97.33.11... <insert long pause here> ^C turtle:~$ telnet mx2.clear.net.nz 25 Trying 203.97.37.11... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused Similar behaviour from machines on Netlink, ICONZ, Paradise and Clear connections. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: mail problems at clear?
by Ben Martel 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

Hi all, Yep - there was a problem with mx[12].clear.net.nz. This has been resolved and everything should be working just fine! Thanks for being patient. Ben >Connected to mx1. >Escape character is '^]'. >220 mx1.clear.net.nz ESMTP CLEAR Net Mail 1.5/1.30; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:40:11 +1200 (NZST) >quit >221 mx1.clear.net.nz closing connection --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RBL process underway again on Telstra Australia.
by Alan Brown 07 Jun '00

07 Jun '00

Another heads-up. Telstra Aus mnanaged to stave off RBL entries for a period by claiming to be producing a new AUP. That AUP officially went live on May 27th, but Telstra are still unresponsive to complaints. As a result, I'm advised that RBL procedures are now rolling again - and as they have shown "shining on" practices, will be given little leeway in future. Anyone with netblocks allocated through AUNIC/Telstra Aus may well be adversely affected by this, even if they're in New Zealand. Be warned. AB -- How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html ORBS - it's not just for filters. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: more than 4 nameservers for a domain
by Mark Davies 04 Jun '00

04 Jun '00

From: Craig Anderson <craig(a)abstract.co.nz> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:31:46 +1200 (NZT) > NSI allows up to 13 nameservers. Also you have to wonder if the web interface only allows 4 nameservers and the mail template or approved agent or whatever allows 6 why does the whois output always list 10 (most of which, obviously, are empty) mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: more than 4 nameservers for a domain
by Craig Anderson 03 Jun '00

03 Jun '00

Hi. > Consider also, for TLDs (and popular domains which have many > subdomains) where many many requests are made, you want many many > name-servers as many (most?) caching name-servers will work out which > name-servers respond the quickest and bias requests towards them. NSI allows up to 13 nameservers. -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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more than 4 nameservers for a domain
by Joe Abley 03 Jun '00

03 Jun '00

The Domainz web interface only lets you specify four authoritative nameservers for a domain; the e-mail interface lets you specify six. The e-mail interface is only available to agentstrars. POB has confirmed that this is the intended design, and is not a bug. Can anybody confirm what happens if a domain has six nameservers loaded by an agentstrar using the e-mail template, and is subsequently edited by the nameholder using the web interface? Are all six nameservers preserved? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Outcome of the ICAIS Consultation and the APEC TELMIN4 Conference (sorry, but its long)
by Frank March 01 Jun '00

01 Jun '00

Report to NZNOG and ISOCNZ-Members This is a report back to these lists on the position taken by New Zealand at the APEC TELMIN conference in Cancun and outcomes from the conference. But first: as previously noted, the feedback from members of these lists has been very helpful in informing a NZ Government view. However, as a member of the NZNOG list has pointed out to me, despite the suitability for this type of discussion over a beer, the matters are somewhat off-topic for NZNOG. The Ministry of Economic Development wishes to undertake further consultation leading up to an ITU-T meeting and the next APEC TEL meeting in September. I will continue to send consultation material to the isocnz-members list. Subscribers to the NZNOG list who wish to continue to be involved should email me direct. I will assume that anyone responding to the previous round will wish to continue to be involved (unless you tell me otherwise ;) There has been some publicity from Australia and the US about the outcome of this conference which may have created some confusion as they tend to express alternative views on the outcome achieved. I have appended below a copy of a media release from the Acting Minister of Communications which gives the NZ perspective on the outcome. It should be apparent that the matter is not going to just fade away and we believe that the NZ government will need to continue to be actively engaged in the debate. The stance adopted by NZ at Cancun was as follows: <quote> (i) in principle, the costs of international circuits should be shared in proportion to the benefits. We are, however, unsure of the best way of assessing those benefits, and of whether there is a more efficient way of developing cost-sharing arrangements than commercial negotiations between interested parties, ie whether the benefits of government interventions to mandate particular cost-sharing formulae would exceed transaction and other costs; (ii) recommendations on specific international charging arrangements for Internet services are premature; (iii) in any case, recommendations in this area are more properly a matter for the ITU, not APEC. As the World Telecommunications Standardisation Conference is in October 2000, this would give more time for the consideration of issues such as the implications of voice over Internet; (iv) APEC principles could be a useful means of helping to clarify thinking on the issue, particularly if they emphasise the role of the private sector. We see the draft recommendations in the report as a useful basis for consideration; (v) recommendations for further TEL work are appropriate; and (vi) New Zealand will be in a better position to have considered the issue more fully by the time of the ITU World Telecommunications Standardisation Conference in October. </quote> Note that the position reflects economic orthodoxy ("in principle, the costs of international circuits should be shared in proportion to the benefits") but recognises the difficulty of achieving this. This is a fair summary of the feedback received, which covered both points. The recognition of the ITU's role in the issue was based on further feedback from the industry and reflects work done by a NZ private sector representative in that forum as well as recognition that if any regulatory regime were to be formulated promulgation would have to be through the ITU as APEC does not have this function and, in any case, it is not just an issue for APEC economies. The output documents from the Cancun meeting are something of a compromise reflecting the difficulty in finding positions that the two 'sides' could agree to. It was agreed that 'equitable cost sharing' did not necessarily mean 50/50 and it was acknowledged that the benefits arising from Internet traffic are hard to determine. The outcome from Cancun was as follows: <quote> Ministers also adopt the International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services attached as Annex B. Ministers also reaffirm the importance of cost-sharing or other mutually-beneficial arrangements for the region as a whole. </quote> In the Annex B, the key paragraph reads as follows: <quote> Internet charging arrangements between providers of network services should be commercially negotiated and, among other issues, reflect: a) the contribution of each network to the communications; b) the use by each party of the interconnected network resources; and c) the end to end costs of international transport link capacity. </quote> A longer statement was contained in the Programme of Action agreed by Ministers for the Telecommunications Working Group for the next 2 year period. The NZ suggestion that the matter might be more appropriately one for the ITU was not picked up. The only specific outcome is a direction for the Telecommunications Working Group to report back to the next ministerial meeting in China in 2 years time. By that stage, the ITU (which is a treaty-making body) will also have considered recommendations on the topic and the Internet itself will no doubt have continued its rapid expansion. Ministerial Press Statement: <quote> The Acting Minister of Communications Trevor Mallard has welcomed the progress made by APEC Ministers on international internet charging arrangements. The APEC Ministers met in Cancun, Mexico last week. Trevor Mallard said a reasonable compromise has been reached between the strongly held views of the US and Canada on one side, and the other APEC economies led by Singapore and Australia. "At the heart of the issue is a claim of unfair international internet charging," he said. "Many APEC economies believe those international charging arrangements are unfair because in relation to traffic exchanged with the US, the non-US party has to meet the costs of the international link in both directions. "New Zealand's position at the meeting was that, as a general economic principle, the costs of international internet circuits should be shared in proportion to the benefits to the parties. "Having said that it is difficult to assess the benefits from internet traffic, and we need to be sure that gains from the benefits of any government interventions in commercial negotiations would exceed the costs." "The International Telecommunication Union (a UN body which has treaty-making powers) is considering recommendations on this matter at its World Telecommunication Standardisation Assembly in September. "The Cancun Declaration issued by APEC Ministers at the end of the Mexico meeting reaffirmed the importance of cost-sharing or other mutually beneficial arrangements for the APEC region as a whole. "The principles adopted by Ministers, and the future work programme approved for the APEC Telecommunications Working Group, emphasise the importance of commercial negotiation and cost sharing". "It is too early to tell how the Declaration will impact on commercial negotiations, as APEC is not a treaty-making body, but this is still a valuable step in the right direction," Trevor Mallard said. New Zealand will continue to participate in the APEC Telecommunications Working Group. The group will continue to discuss international developments relating to the internet and report back to the next ministerial meeting in two year's time. </quote> Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZ whois server
by Michael Newbery 31 May '00

31 May '00

On the 'liberal in what you accept' precept, I'd say that the server should either respond with the info, followed by somthing like % NOTE: Your whois client does not conform to the standard. % It failed to terminate the query string properly or even just provide the carp message and decline to provide the information, which is less helpful but more of an incentive to fix the broken client. In other words, if we want to throw rocks at the server, the most we can really complain about is that it failed silently when could have been a little more voluble. I'm no fan of 'liberal in what you accept'='I am a doormat, abuse me as you will, I will add code to work around your mistakes' for three reasons. 1. If the client writer doesn't know there is a problem, they can't fix it. 2. The server suffers code bloat. 3. When second-guessing what the client actually meant, it may well get it wrong (doesn't apply this time). However, if they are going to open the code to make the change you suggest though, the formating of the output could use some work. IMHO it's the ugliest whois server output I've ever seen, not to mention the most verbose. But as Don says, there are other things that need fixing more. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 >>> Don Stokes <don(a)daedalus.co.nz> - 30/5/00 6:38 PM >>> "Robert Gray" <bob(a)r-gray.com> wrote: >It's not BUFFOONZ but RIPE who's out of step with the rest of the world. I >should have known ;) Well, in this case, the RFCs are on Domainz's side, not RIPE's. Not to mention every other whois client on the planet which sends CRLF at the ends of their queries, as required by reputable network protocols the world over. Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> writes: >"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" Indeed, hence the suggestion that it be made to terminate on any control character. But I suspect that there are higher priorities at the moment than making the whois server talk to non-compliant clients. (It's not my code.) -- don --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 May '00

31 May '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just under 150 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the Uniforum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in early October. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: ISOCNZ - Invitation to Summit 2000
by Pete 30 May '00

30 May '00

Well that was jolly nice of ISOCNZ to give me all of your addresses so I can sell them to a mass-marketing spam company!! On Wed, 31 May 2000 exec.assist(a)isocnz.org.nz wrote: >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:34 +1200 >From: exec.assist(a)isocnz.org.nz >To: <Incredibly long list of personal e-mail addresses clipped> >Cc: exe.dir(a)isocnz.org.nz, exec.assist(a)isocnz.org.nz >Subject: ISOCNZ - Invitation to Summit 2000 >Parts/Attachments: > 1 Shown ~75 lines Text (charset: ISO-8859-1), "Mail message body" > 2 Shown 153 lines Text, "Text from file 'Agenda.html'" >---------------------------------------- They obviously know how to use a "cc" field, why doesn't someone tell them how to use "bcc" !!! Rgds, Pete --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ whois server
by Andy Linton 29 May '00

29 May '00

As a NZ domain holder, I am unimpressed by the apparent inability of the Council of ISOCNZ to require Domainz to carry out the policies it is supposed to and I am also unimpressed by the failure of the Board of Domainz in ensuring that the policies of ISOCNZ are carried out. I and a number of others have requested the introduction of a whois server that allows access to the data on the ISOCNZ NZ Registry that is operated on the Society's behalf by their operating company Domainz. This is consistent with the requirement stated in the Council's policy on New Zealand's Domain Name Structure. In that document (http://www.mcs.vuw.ac.nz/~hine/ISOCNZ/DNS/DNpolicy-8-97.html#SecondLevel) the section "Use of Information Gathered" the first paragraph says: 'Information is gathered in order to provide a public name listing service in line with other Internet domain name registry services world-wide.' Other registry services world-wide implement a whois service as well as a web-based service as a matter of course. I understand that the Council of the Society has instructed Domainz to implement such a server. Can you give an indication of when this service will be available? I also note that a name for this service is listed in the DNS. It is confusing to have this name there and then not have a service running. The details are below. whois.domainz.net.nz -> 202.46.160.18 -> www-wlg.domainz.net.nz Can you ensure that either the service that this host name purports to implement is commenced or that this host name is removed? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZ whois server
by Andy Linton 29 May '00

29 May '00

At 05:49 PM 5/30/00 +1200, you wrote: >Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> wrote: > >My apologies! I'm using the RIPE whois client and it never returns when > >I type: > > > >whois -h whois.domainz.net.nz lionra.net.nz > > > >although it's quite able to talk to other whois servers around the > >planet. > >OK, I was kinda intrigued about this one. So I downloaded the RIPE stuff >and had a play. > >It seems that the RIPE whois terminates its query with a single LF, >not CRLF as as the Domainz server is expecting. From tcpdump: > >17:02:01.058956 toyunix.zl2tnm.gen.nz.62311 > >www-wlg.domainz.net.nz.whois: P 1: >16(15) ack 1 win 17520 > 4500 0037 d189 0000 4006 7d4c c0a8 0102 > ca2e a012 f367 002b 3d2b 3c24 0827 44dd > 5018 4470 cec9 0000 6461 6564 616c 7573 > 2e63 6f2e 6e7a 0a > >(for those who don't read hex, that's <ip-header> <tcp header> >"daedalus.co.nz\n" No "\r". I suspect the Domainz server is waiting >for the CR not the LF. >I'm amazed. I didn't think it was possible to screw up the whois >protocol, much less have an outfit like RIPE do it. From RFC 954: Agreed. That's why I was so surprised when it didn't work and why I didn't check when I should have. If we're talking RFCs - RFC 1123 (:-) 1.2.2 Robustness Principle At every layer of the protocols, there is a general rule whose application can lead to enormous benefits in robustness and interoperability: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" Software should be written to deal with every conceivable error, no matter how unlikely; sooner or later a packet will come in with that particular combination of errors and attributes, and unless the software is prepared, chaos can ensue. In general, it is best to assume that the network is filled with malevolent entities that will send in packets designed to have the worst possible effect. This assumption will lead to suitable protective design, although the most serious problems in the Internet have been caused by unenvisaged mechanisms triggered by low-probability events; mere human malice would never have taken so devious a course! Thanks for sorting this out, by the way! --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: [apnic-announce] Maintenance Announcement: June 3rd 8:00 - 12:00 UTC+10
by jabley＠automagic.org 29 May '00

29 May '00

----Original Message----- From: Paul Gampe <paulg(a)apnic.net> To: apnic-announce(a)lists.apnic.net Cc: Subject: [apnic-announce] Maintenance Announcement: June 3rd 8:00 - 12:00 UTC+10 Reply-To: apnic-talk(a)apnic.net Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 1:23 PM [Note "reply-to:" field] Dear APNIC Member, APNIC will be performing an operating system maintenance on the primary whois server, whois.apnic.net during the Saturday June 3rd maintenance window between 8:00 - 12:00 UTC+10. The following services will be affected for periods of at most 15 minutes during the maintenance window: whois, dns, www.apnic.net and mailing lists. Both dns and email services will be provided by our secondary servers during this time. Should you have any questions regarding this announcement please e-mail: technical(a)apnic.net. We apologise in advance for any inconvenience that this may cause. Regards, Paul Gampe -- _______________________________________________________________ For PGP Key ID B49E3514, mailto:paulg(a)apnic.net send mail with Subject: pgp-key-request phoneto:+61-7-3367-0490 Paul Gampe - Technical Manager - APNIC faxto:+61-7-3367-0482 * APNIC-ANNOUNCE: Announcements concerning APNIC * * To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apnic-announce-request(a)apnic.net *

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IHUG oddities
by Rob Isaac 29 May '00

29 May '00

Folks, Terabyte in Auckland have a bunch of dialup accounts that they use to test sites in development. One of these accounts is with IHUG. The bizarre thing is that this dialup account isn't able to access any web pages at Terabyte from the PPP connection to IHUG. You can look up the name fine, and you can ping the remote server -- it's specifically HTTP traffic (tcp/80) that doesn't work. In the tests I've seen, the source address was 203.109.194.220 (presumably handed out by IHUG's DHCP), and the destination networks are Terabyte's hosting, at either 203.167.248.0/24 or 203.97.64.0/24. Can someone else test this via IHUG (and perhaps via someone else, in case there is some more obscure problem). http://www.terabyte.co.nz/ will do fine as an address to test. They've tested it already using a handful of other dialup ISPs around the countryside, and they work fine -- it's just IHUG that doesn't seem to work, and only for web traffic. I want to get some more tests done before I go pester IHUG with a vague complaint that may be nothing to do with them. Regards, Rob. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz full service registrars
by Peter Mott 28 May '00

28 May '00

We are trying to build a list of "domainz full service registrars". We have many customers who have setup domain name service on our system, but are having difficulty navigating the domainz site to register their name. When they contact domainz for assistance, they are told the reason they have a problem is because they are not using a full service registrar. XTRA, CLEAR Net, IHUG, WEBFARM and others have all been mentioned in communications. On several occasions our customers have contacted one of the above to have them register their domain name, but the "full service registrar" concerned refused to enter 2day.com domain name servers into the registry record. If you are a domainz registrar willing to enter name server records according to customer requirements, please email me. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [i-c-discuss] Help request
by Roger De Salis 26 May '00

26 May '00

Sue Leader wrote: > > Greetings > > I have an inquiry to answer and am missing one essential piece of > inforamtion. Can anyone tell me what the rationale was for having a > second level domain (2LD) structure rather than a flat structure in > .nz? So that the address structure can be divided into things that humans can remember. Also the 2LD provides some clue as to the purpose of the organisation eg .mil. .gov. or .co. There are of course variations in between the USA (1LD) and ROW (2LD). .co - .com .govt - .gov .ac - .edu. NZ has an interesting variation of this at the 3LD level. the 3rd level domain called domainz.net.nz which is a loopback domain. This loopback feature has a unique feature based on the amount of SPAM created this particular domain, so SPAM sent to this particular domain is endlessly recycled permitting near perfect service levels when responding to SPAM. In order to cater for loopback domains, the 3LD known as domainz is permanently wired to ORBS, which is an interactive mail responder. This permits meaningful dialog between the loopback domain and SPAM origination. In order to avail themsleves of this wonderful service, most ISP's in this country have implemented RFC 42064.32 which adheres to the Irish variation of ORBS. This means that all communication from the loopback domain is directed via sendmail to /dev/null. Unfortunately Microsoft clients have no way of implementing this device, and are therefore forced forever to endure SPAM which commences "Domainz is considering changes to.......". There is unfortunately no way to ever leave this highly desirable email domain. Hope this helps.... Rgds Roger De Salis > > Thanks > Sue > Sue Leader - Executive Director > ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) > Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz > Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington > "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." > > All information contained in this message is > confidential to members of the ISOCNZ Council. > _______________________________________________________ > isocnz-council-discuss mailing list > isocnz-council-discuss(a)isocnz.org.nz > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-council-discuss -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Amazing
by Chris Foster 26 May '00

26 May '00

Guess what? I only received my name holder id yesterday and today I received my password. How have domainz done it? took them a while to figure out? Chris --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [i-c-discuss] Help request
by Michael Newbery 23 May '00

23 May '00

On 24 May 2000, Simon Lyall <simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Andy Linton wrote: > > Except to note that it's not necessary and in fact simply causes > > confusion. For example, if you wanted to contact Paradise (the ISP) > > would you choose paradise.co.nz or paradise.net.nz? Now make the choice > > as a naive user. > > Of course if they pick www.paradise.gen.nz then they might really have a > problem. > > > With the benefit of hindsight I'd advocate that it's all a crock and a > > single domain, .nz is all we need. > > It does have the advantage in letting "clashing" names have an > alternative. This is especially good since if your name is Mcdonald or > Harrods then if you take a .gen.nz or .org.nz domain then it is > automaticly assumed to be personal rather than taking a shot at the big > boys. As I recall, the intent was also to delegate authority. Thus the owner of .mil.nz would accept only suitably armed and dangerous organisations. The Universities, who were de facto running ".nz" thought they might be considered presumtuous if they allocated all sub-domains, and even then we did not consider it part of our 'core' business. As it happened of course, we ended up doing it for everyone anyway, pretty much. Bear in mind that this was the time of GOSIP, when Standards NZ wanted a large number of thousands of dollars, per year, to assign you an X.121 address. Countries coming to the Internet somewhat later have had the benefit of experience and have sometimes chosen different schemes. Another consideration was that in the VERY early days, we had big and little endian addresses (JANET style nz.ac.vuw vs Internet style vuw.ac.nz), and since NZ had Spearnet (Coloured book, JANET derived protocols) and TCP style addressing simultaneously for a while, PLUS the BITNET link between Auckland and VUW, plus uucp bang paths, plus Compuserve (remember them :-) we tried to make names unambigous under several transformations. That was one reason we explicitly chose 2LDs that were *not* gov, com or edu. By the time mil.nz and org.nz were necessary, this was no longer considered a problem. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Email notifications et al
by Andrew McEwen Mason 23 May '00

23 May '00

1. Email notifications ------------------- Ted is correct. The messages are going out to Registrars as notified last week and as Ted has discovered. However, they are not as yet going to name server managers who are _not_ Registrars, but this will be changed to include NS managers as from tomorrow morning. 2. Names on hold ------------- We will start tomorrow on releasing the backlog of names on hold. 3. Bugs/issues/change requests --------------------------- We are setting up a discussion list for these, which we plan to have live by this weekend - might cut down on traffic to the public lists :-) Will also have a tool for Registrars in particular to notify and track resolution of bugs. Cheers Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz > [mailto:isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz]On Behalf Of Ted Grenfell > Sent: 23 May, 2000 17:22 > To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz; isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz > Subject: RE: [isocnz-l]Domainz debacle continues > > > At 17:13 23/05/00, Peter Mott wrote: > > > Still nothing from domainz in regard to email notifications. > > > >Just rang domainz, they dont know when soa notifications are going to be> >fixed either. Nothing changes. > > POB told me they should be going today and I've seen some that > are in fact > coming through. We don't yet know though if we're getting all the ones we > should be but we're definitely getting some of them. > > > -- > Ted Grenfell > Xtra ISP Performance Manager > Mob 025 435 455; DDI 09 359 5854; Fax 09 355 5283 > Level 12, Telecom Tower, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland > > > > _______________________________________________ > go to http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-l > for subscription/unsubscription information. > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: List of Registry Problems
by david＠farrar.com 22 May '00

22 May '00

> > I have compiled (and yes it did take me a long time) a list of known > > problems and bugs encountered with the new DOMAINZ registry system. > > It stands at 49 at present. Many of them have now been resolved but I > > believe it is important to note them as they occurred. > > > > The list is at http://www.dpf.ac.nz/isocnz/domainz.htm > > Excellent idea - I can see this list growing rapidly as more people add > issues to the list. I think it's safe to say that Domainz are unaware of > many of the problems with their system, and so it is important for us to > (politely) raise these issues. A buglist such as this one is an ideal way > to do so. Thanks for the extra eight points. I had had several from others and will update the site tonight. While my original intention was more historical to be of use in any inquiry (and showing the need for one) I am happy to modify it so it can be used to show what problems are still outstanding. Hence I will add on tonight a field called "Resolution" showing if the problem has been resolved, was one-off, is a philosphical as opposed to a technical problem or if it is still unresolved. These will be based on my knowledge which is based on mainly the public lists. I would be most happy once the "Resolution" field has been added on to have DOMAINZ inform me of further resolutions so I can keep it up to date. DPF --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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List of Registry Problems
by DPF 22 May '00

22 May '00

I have compiled (and yes it did take me a long time) a list of known problems and bugs encountered with the new DOMAINZ registry system. It stands at 49 at present. Many of them have now been resolved but I believe it is important to note them as they occurred. The list is at http://www.dpf.ac.nz/isocnz/domainz.htm This is intended as a resource for those who believe that there should be an investigation into why so many problems were encountered, especially as many were avoidable. At this stage I have not ranked them in terms of seriousness. I welcome feedback as to additions and amendments as well as suggestions for the seriousness of each problem on a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being very major fuck up and 5 being a trivial problem of little consequence. Off the top of my head I would tend to put Nos 2, 5, 29, 35, 37, 41, 44 and 47 as all Class 1 problems. DPF ________________________________________________________________________ <david at farrar dot com> NZ Usenet FAQs - http://www.dpf.ac.nz/usenet/nz ICQ 29964527 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ORBS stupidity
by David Zanetti 21 May '00

21 May '00

It's come to my attention that ORBS is listing 203.97.237.122 as an open relay, and therefore is being blocked by various (clueless?) networks.., It happens to be a small mailserver I indirectly have some involvement with. It's not an open relay, it has never relayed spam, and its listing in ORBS defies belief. I have absolutely no interest in Alan's disputes with above.net, and I consider the continued listing of this server to be nothing more than petty vandalism on an innocent 3rd party by Alan. Such vandalism disgusts me, it is only pissing off the very people ORBS is trying to convince of its merit.. Alan, get a clue and stop listing people who _aren't_ open relays in ORBS. I welcome anyone who does not take my word that the server is not an open relay to use any (obviously non-ORBS) tester to prove it.. -- David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> | "It doesn't matter a damn what the Moderator, nz.politics.announce | [ISOCNZ] members think or say" #include <geek/unix.h> | Jim Higgins, (then) ISOCNZ chairman --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz registrar email notifications
by Peter Mott 21 May '00

21 May '00

I thought domainz were going to fix sending soa emails to name server sysadms. Two weeks down the track and we still have delegations change left right and centre and not a single email notification from domainz. Does anybody know whats going on? Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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reload frequency .nz name servers
by Peter Mott 18 May '00

18 May '00

Does anybody know the timetable for reload of .nz 2TLD name servers on the domainz new system? I just rang them and was advised name servers are only reloaded once a day following a zone build at 4pm. The person did not state whether this occured on the weekend as well as during the week. Useful stuff like this does not appear on the domainz web site :-( Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Email notifications of name server changes
by Andrew McGhie 18 May '00

18 May '00

We are in the process of implementing the following: After any change to name server details for a domain name a notification message will be sent to the email address in the soa record for the master name server. Where the master name server has changed as a result of the operation, the same message will be sent to the email address in the soa record of the master name server to which the domain name is being changed. Email messages will also be sent to the contact email addresses in the DRS database records for any Registrar(s) involved in a transaction. Registrars should therefore check their email contact addresses in the DRS. If these are incorrect, please notify registrars(a)domainz.net.nz and we will correct them. We expect to have these facilities available by the close of business hours tomorrow (19.5.00). Regards Andrew Mason (from Andrew McGhie's email) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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E-Mail Addy When registering a new domain
by nntp＠takin.proz.ac.nz 17 May '00

17 May '00

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: nz.org.isocnz) Hiyas I have just created a new domain name in the .school.nz space. We have created many of these before for schools as they gain an internet presence. When entering the Name Holder Details, we used to enter the e-mail address as "principal(a)schoolname.school.nz". This was fine and all e-mail to the name holder made it to the desired recipient. I have already set up our mail server to accept mail for that domain. Now when I try and do the same thing with the new DRS system, I am told that the e-mail field is not acceptable. It states that you must use a real address. Presumably this is because their checks show that there is no such domain (as we are only registering it now!!). So, to get around it (the e-mail field is compulsory!) I have to enter a bullshite address with a real domain name (fakie(a)advcomm.co.nz for instance). This is hopeless! Now all e-mail intended for the Name Holder will be lost, whereas it used to get there fine! Why has this chnaged, and can Advantage change it so that it will accept an e-mail field with a domain-name that is still being registered? Thanks in advance! Pete --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [DRS] Email notification of change of Registrar
by Pete 17 May '00

17 May '00

Put my name down for a yes. If it used to happen automatically, and now it does not, who made the decision that it should not be implemented without registrars requesting it? On Thu, 18 May 2000, Andrew McGhie wrote: > As we have announced, when a name is transferred from one Registrar to > another, email notifications are sent to both Registrars on successful > completion of the transfer. > > The system does not at present send a notification to the soa for the names > servers if this is different from the Registrar. As you are probably aware, > we have received a request to do this; we would be grateful to hear from > Registrars as to whether this is a facility that they would like to see. > Technically this can be accomplished very quickly > > Regards > Andrew Mason (from Andrew McGhie's email) > > > > _______________________________________________ > DRS mailing list > DRS(a)domainz.net.nz > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/drs > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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notification of delegation of domain names
by Peter Mott 17 May '00

17 May '00

Sorry for the intrusion... The new domainz system does not send a notification email to the soa email address for the zone a name server is delegated to when delegating or removing a delegation. The UoW system did this ok, and our DNS automatically removed zones as a result of such notification. It appears that DOMAINZ is struggling to hear enough people telling them this is an important feature. As a result, they may not fix the problem. If there are people here who are sysadms for name servers and you value being informed when domain names are moved, can I ask you to send messages to domainz via whatever means you know how, telling them that notification of delegations is rather important and they really should fix it. Thanks Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Zone file builds
by Andrew McEwen Mason 17 May '00

17 May '00

Greetings all This is to inform you of a change in the schedule of zone builds effective Friday 19.5.00. As you know, these have continued uninterrupted at 16.00 daily since the introduction of the new Domainz Registration System, and have been moved to a 7 days/week operation. In the last few days we have consulted with major Registrars about both increasing the frequency of builds and also the preferred timings. A consensus emerged that twice daily would be appreciated, in the morning and after the end of the working day. As a result, starting this Friday (19 May 2000) zone builds will be carried out twice daily at 11.00 and 19.00 - 7 days a week. Thanks to all who gave their input. We hope that this new arrangement will be acceptable to all, and will welcome any feedback on timing, frequency or any other aspect of the zone build process. Regards to all Andrew ________________________________________________ Andrew McEwen Mason BSA Consulting Group 7 Mariri Road, Kelburn Wellington, NZ Phone +64 4 934-3178 Mobile +64 21 466-181 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: [DRS] Zone builds
by Peter Mott 16 May '00

16 May '00

Below for information of sysadmins. It was news to us as we are not a registrar and have no knowledge of the means by which domainz consults. I am not sure if the "zone builds" referred to mean the master name server for .nz 2TLD zones is reloaded using the new data, but one assumes this is the case Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- > -----Original Message----- > From: drs-admin(a)domainz.net.nz [mailto:drs-admin(a)domainz.net.nz]On > Behalf Of Andrew McEwen Mason > Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 9:49 p.m. > To: drs(a)domainz.net.nz > Subject: [DRS] Zone builds > > > Greetings all > > This is to inform you of a change in the schedule of zone builds effective > Friday 19.5.00. > > AS you know, these have continued uninterrupted at 16.00 daily since the > introduction of the new Domainz Registration System, and have > been moved to > a 7 days/week operation. > > In the last few days we have consulted with major Registrars about both > increasing the frequency of builds and also the preferred timings. A > consensus emerged that twice daily would be appreciated, in the > morning and > after the end of the working day. As a result, starting this > Friday (19 May > 2000) zone builds will be carried out twice daily at 11.00 and 19.00 - 7 > days a week. > > Thanks to all who gave their input. We hope that this new > arrangement will > be acceptable to all, and will welcome any feedback on timing, > frequency or > any other aspect of the zone build process. > > Regards to all > Andrew > > ________________________________________________ > Andrew McEwen Mason > BSA Consulting Group > 7 Mariri Road, Kelburn > Wellington, NZ > > Phone +64 4 934-3178 Mobile +64 21 466-181 > > > _______________________________________________ > DRS mailing list > DRS(a)domainz.net.nz > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/drs --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Name server authoritativeness checking
by Andrew McGhie 16 May '00

16 May '00

This is to confirm that the DRS has been amended such that, at registration or change of delegation it carries out authoritativeness checks on the master and first slave name servers only, and no others. The checks that it carries out have also been relaxed, which will overcome some other problems experienced in some quarters. The actual checks that are carried out are currently being documented and will be promulgated by the end of the day tomorrow. In the meantime, please let us know if there are any specific details you would like to see in this documentation. Regards Andrew Mason --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Old UPSes for New
by Joe Abley 16 May '00

16 May '00

Hi, Due to bad planning, I have two nearly-new Compaq UPSes that are about 10cm too long for the racks I need to put them in. The units were supplied new by Compaq for the LV Cup media centre in Auckland, and were purchased by my client as the media centre was closed down at the end of the Americas Cup. They have not since been used. The UPSes seem to be a Compaq-rebadged version of an APC rack-mount UPS, spec'd to 3000 kVA. Maximum input current 16A. 18 x 10A outputs on three separate buses. About 70kg each, which brings them nicely into the "christ, my back" category of equipment haulage. [Unit descriptions are from memory; I don't have them with me right now] I'd be very happy if I could exchange them for other, similar-spec rack- mount UPSes that will fit in our cabinets. If I have to, I will sell them. Private mail gratefully received :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Well known problem
by Arron Scott 15 May '00

15 May '00

Hi all, As this is a discussion forum for Network Operations people in NZ, I thought I would raise a little problem that I regularly see around the network. I am not pointing this at anyone in NZ in specific, it's just FYI. Hopefully most of you will already know about this. The problem: Clients can ping Web Servers running MTU Path Discovery but cannot HTTP. Why: At HTTP connect time, MTU is negotiated as the lowest set on the interfaces between server and client, for both using Internet this would be 1500 bytes. After that the server attempts to do MTU Path Discovery, by sending the largest agreed packet marked "DO NOT FRAGMENT". If there is a circuit somewhere along the path that is smaller than that packet size, the router is expected to drop the packet, and return ICMP Unreachables, with the "COULD NOT FRAGMENT" message attached. The server should then try a smaller packet. Unfortunately it is common for sites to filter the ICMP Unreachables, which the server never sees, and it spends it's life resending MTU Discovery Packets forever. How to Fix it: TURN OFF MTU PATH DISCOVERY on the server ... or less popular, change filtering to allow the required responses in. It is of course possible to fix the MTU for a specific case, but this never will work for everyone on the Internet. Common Scenarios: This will regularly occur with networks using; - Tunnels (L2TP, GRE, IPIP etc) as the tunnels must have lower MTU than the physical path, to allow it to carry the IP header. - ISDN Routers, where the client has an Ethernet, but the ISDN dialled connection is set to 952 or whatever. - Sites behind small links, where the MTU is tuned for the bandwidth available. This does not occur on dial-up connections, as the client may only have an MTU of 512 bytes, but this is internal to the client, and the original MTU negotiation will prevent a path discovery of packets beyond the MTU of the rest of the path. ps. I hope you are all aware of the problem with clients setting IP packets with a TTL of 32 hops, causing certain locations deep inside Europe to be unreachable. Detail on this problem is on www.netgate.net.nz under the "Too Many Hops Issue" Hope this is useful, Arron Scott Telecom NZ Ltd (But only for three more weeks)

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Tic toc, tic toc......BOOM.......
by Ben Martel 15 May '00

15 May '00

Fellow time travellers, Due to the need for most of us humanoids to have some reference to this thing called 'time' CLEAR Net have now installed (for the general enhancement of the Internet in NZ - hint to ISOCNZ), albeit a minor enhancement, a GPS based time source for your pleasure. This service is based on a unit (which claims to be a stratum one time source - <sigh>) located on the top of the CLEAR building, in Takapuna, Auckland. Techincal details: Device: Truetime NTS 90 (http://www.truetime.com) Hostname: bigben.clix.net.nz - also CNAME'd as tictoc.clix.net.nz IP Address: 203.167.224.60 Protocols supported: NTP (RFC 1305), SNTP (RFC 1361), TIME (RFC 868) NB: You cannot query this device using NTP unless the source port for the request is the NTP port (a la an NTP server). You are free to use this service - Enjoy! Any problems please report them to bgp(a)clear.net.nz. Ben Martel CLEAR Net --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RFC (fwd) Registration of Offensive Names
by Sue Leader 15 May '00

15 May '00

Greetings - fowarded on behalf of: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- <snip> From: Elizabeth <E-DengateThrush(a)GlobalEsoft.com> Subject: Registration of offensive names <snip> Comment and feedback sought for proposed policy change. ISOCNZ has proposed a change to its registration of offensive names policy. The proposed policy has been previously circulated to members for comment. The quality of the comments has been worthwhile though the level of feedback and comment has been low. This is an area where our membership who are largely and 'on-line' population, potentially has a different view from the general population, who also have an interest in the Internet in New Zealand. The proposed policy covers registration. Perhaps some thought could be given to remedies for people or organisations that find a name offensive. This would be an adjunct to the proposed policy rather than necessarily change the direction that is indicated in the proposed policy. I urge you to consider the effect on our society of the ability for anyone to register and promote an offensive domain name and what, if anything, we should do about this. I welcome your comments and views. In the interest of brevity please reply to me, and in line with the ISOCNZ policy development process, I will log comments, summarise and include points of view if appropriate. Comments and associated policy developments will be available on the website in due course. Regards Liz Dengate Thrush Policy Committee, ISOCNZ ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- <snip> Below is the policy on offensive words which Council approved in principle for public consultation. "We have not defined in our current policy what words are necessarily offensive and unregisterable but DOMAINZ tends to follow the FCC list of seven words that can not be used on air. Policy Committee recommends that we should remove the ban for the reasons below 1) By banning just some words we are seen to give implicit approval to the words we do let through. This contrasts with our general policy of not making judgements as to who may use what name.. 2) The gTLDs like *.com no longer ban any offensive words 3) People have been able to work around the ban with domain names such as motherf-cker.co.nz which is a legal and registerable name 4) Because we only control third level names we are unable to anyway stop people registering for example sucker.co.nz and setting up a 4th level domain such as cock.sucker.co.nz 5) Why ban certain words just in domain names when they are can be used on the websites themselves. 6) We have been unable to come up with any definitive list of what words we will ban and hence can be accused of having a very ad hoc policy. 7) We only ban offensive words in english yet let through potentially offensive words in Maori which is also an official language of NZ. 8) Having the current policy, without defining what words are not acceptable, stops DOMAINZ from being able to have a fully automated registry where people can register names without human interference in the registry process, thus restricting the registry to normal working hours only. Therefore for all of the above reasons we recommend to Council that the ban on offensive words be lifted. Public comment is sought before Council makes a final decision to rescind the current policy banning offensive words. ------------------------------ Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[m.arnott@domainz.net.nz: [isocnz-l]Domainz Web-site]
by Joe Abley 15 May '00

15 May '00

If the notification comes out after the the site has been taken down, does it still count as a scheduled outage? ----- Forwarded message from Maria Arnott <m.arnott(a)domainz.net.nz> ----- Delivered-To: jabley-isocnzl(a)automagic.org From: "Maria Arnott" <m.arnott(a)domainz.net.nz> Newsgroups: nz.org.isocnz Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:14:36 +1200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.49.152.2 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.49.152.2 X-Trace: 16 May 2000 10:39:47 NZST, 202.49.152.2 Path: news.actrix.gen.nz!202.49.152.2 Xref: news.actrix.gen.nz nz.org.isocnz:5352 To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz Subject: [isocnz-l]Domainz Web-site Reply-To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz Errors-To: isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: ISOCNZ Public mailing list <isocnz-l.isocnz.org.nz> X-BeenThere: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz Dear list members, The Domainz website will be down for a short while. I will notify as soon as we are up again. My Regards Maria Arnott ph: 04 473 4567 fax: 04 473 4569 email: m.arnott(a)domainz.net.nz web: www.domainz.net.nz _______________________________________________ go to http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-l for subscription/unsubscription information. ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Delegated domains that are not in the Register
by Joe Abley 15 May '00

15 May '00

Looks to me like the domains domainz.net.nz dns.net.nz are delegated, but reported with "domain_name_status: 00 Not Listed". They seem to be missing from the register because they are domains used by Domainz, and are therefore in some way special compared to every other domain in the register. You just know that people are going to try and register these when they see interfaces like whois.domainz.net.nz reporting them available. In the interests of simplicity, would it not make more sense to have _every_ delegated domain listed in the register? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Email template Users URGENT
by Andrew McGhie 14 May '00

14 May '00

Dear all, Registrars using the email template as a means of lodging name applications for new name holders (this applies to adding of new name holder situations only) should change their user passwords and the passwords for their staff using the DRS system immediately. Due to my oversight, a copy of the name application emails on which the application was originated has been sent to the name holder concerned. Where the non-encrypt option was used for these transmissions, the name holder would have been able to see the registrar ID and password. The situation affects a group of 6 live registrars who have been contacted directly. This is to let you know that as soon as we became aware of the problem we immediately ceased the issue of copy applications to name holders. We acknowledge this is an issue that should not have arisen and we deeply regret it. We have done all possible to rectify the problem imnmediately. Andrew Jamieson Development project manager ADV E-Commerce Ltd --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Security Problem/Warning
by James Bell 14 May '00

14 May '00

When a Registrar modifies or registers a domain name with the email template, a confirmation is CC'd to the name holder by Domainz. This confirmation includes the original email template, which includes the Registrar's ID and password. This means that any customers who have new or modified domains in the last week are now the proud owners of their ISP's Registrar ID and password - allowing them access to any domain name that the ISP is Registrar for. I urge anyone using the email template to check and see if this is happening for them, and also to change their Registrar password. I ask Domainz to (publicly) confirm this is a problem, and to announce a proposed timeline for a fix. Apparently this problem was logged as a bug during testing by another Registrar. I have confirmed with this other Registrar that the problem still exists for them also. Regards, James Bell (Private person, not speaking for anyone) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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How do I change nameservers on a domain, now?
by Joe Abley 14 May '00

14 May '00

Hi, Customer has domain registered with 2day.com. Customer wishes to shift said domain to another ISP. 2Day is not a Domainz "registrar", and neither is this other ISP. The nameholder has received nothing from Domainz by way of nameholder usernames or passwords. We can probably get the domain key from 2day.com if we ask Peter nicely, but that seems to be of negligable use in this Brave New World. How do we change the nameservers on this domain? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom Clear Media Release 14/5/00 (fwd)
by Joe Abley 13 May '00

13 May '00

In case it is of interest (note it is after 1800, hence there is no embargo on release). ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:58:20 +1200 From: Alan Mitford-Taylor <alan.mtaylor(a)telecom.co.nz> To: jabley(a)patho.gen.nz Subject: Telecom Clear Media Release 14/5/00 Joe Abley Mercury Telecommunications Ltd Dear Joe The following is a media statement jointly released by Telecom New Zealand Ltd and Clear Communications this evening. I will endeavour to supply more information to you as soon as it becomes available. Regards Alan Mitford-Taylor 14 May 2000 MEDIA RELEASE Embargoed until 1800 CLEAR AND TELECOM REACH AGREEMENT ON 0867 INTERNET NUMBER RANGE Internet users will not pay a two-cents per minute charge for non-0867 Internet calls, under a comprehensive three and a half-month agreement between Telecom and CLEAR. The two companies say the agreement provides a breathing space in which they can renegotiate their interconnection agreement, which expires at the end of 2000. Telecom has agreed to suspend the two-cent charge and CLEAR has agreed to encourage its customers who are dial-up Internet users to begin using 0867 numbers. The agreement is effective immediately. Other aspects of the agreement are: * CLEAR and Telecom will sign an agreement whereby CLEAR will provide Internet access services under an 0867 agreement, initially until the end of August. * CLEAR will withdraw its application for an interim injunction requiring Telecom to honour the terms of the number portability agreement between the two companies. * Telecom will not appeal against the interim injunction granted to i4free last month. * The agreement is for three and half months, during which time the two companies will aim to negotiate a new interconnection agreement. CLEAR and Telecom say the agreement is a pragmatic solution to the long-running 0867 Internet issue. The agreement recognises the needs of both companies in New Zealand's rapidly changing telecommunications sector. Both companies recognise the need to set aside differences in order to benefit Internet users and to create space for developing a better interconnection agreement for the future. For further information, contact: Linda Sanders Telecom New Zealand Ross Inglis CLEAR Communications --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Registration System - authoritativeness checking
by Andrew McEwen Mason 13 May '00

13 May '00

It has been pointed out that the DRS has been checking all name servers for authoritativeness at Registration, when the Waikato system only ever checked the Master and first Slave NSs. The system is being amended to follow the Waikato practice (check first 2 NSs only), and we expect that this will be completed by tomorrow 14.5.00. Regards _________________________________ Andrew McEwen Mason BSA Consulting Group 7 Mariri Road, Kelburn Wellington, NZ Phone +64 4 934-3178 Mobile +64 21 466-181 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emails to domain name holders
by Andrew McEwen Mason 13 May '00

13 May '00

As you know, Domainz is in the process of notifying name holders of their user IDs and passwords for accessing the Domainz Registration System. In a number of cases, apparent duplicate emails are being sent. The old system had one record per domain name, which held details of the name holder as well as of the name itself. As a result, whenever it was necessary to contact name holders, a letter had to be sent to the holder of each domain, which meant that anyone with n names received n letters. Under the DRS, we have created name holder records, based on name and address details in the domain records, and have associated all domains having a common N/H name and address with the one name holder record. Each name holder as held in the DRS database is currently being sent one pair of email messages containing their ID and password. These messages do not explicitly mention the names tagged to the name holder in the database. This has caused some confusion and we will change the letters to show domain names. There are also some apparently duplicated name holders who will be receiving more than one email pair. This has arisen where the details for the same name holder on the old database differed one from another between different domain name records - for example "Joe Bloggs, 52 High Street" and "J Bloggs, P.O. Box 44". Obviously there is nothing we can do to de-duplicate these records automatically, and so the business rule for these situations was to create a separate Name Holder record where there was any doubt. Because of this, there are probably more Name Holder records now than are really required. If anyone would like to consolidate multiple records for the same Name Holder, they should mail Domainz at changes(a)domainz.net.nz. We do acknowledge that the multiple letters seem alike, and this is a mistake that we will rectify. From feedback received it is clear that including the domain name(s) is important to recipients, so (as stated above) these will be included in the letter. At the same time, we will remove the excess ".nz" in the reply-to address. We apologise that this was included in the first place. Andrew _________________________________ Andrew McEwen Mason BSA Consulting Group 7 Mariri Road, Kelburn Wellington, NZ Phone +64 4 934-3178 Mobile +64 21 466-181 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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