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Re: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999]
by Donald Neal 24 Nov '99

24 Nov '99

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RE: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999]
by Frank March 23 Nov '99

23 Nov '99

Comments on recent posts from Roger De Salis and Josh Bailey While I have no real personal disagreement with the sentiment Roger's post expresses, I do have some concerns about the way that the government might be involved in such a venture; I would personally prefer to see government get its own information policies in order (ie, developing a comprehensive vision for e-government in NZ) rather than plunging straight into building an infrastructure that might be done better by others. I do have some problems with what Josh Bailey has to say. Who is paying for the Cisco in the pizza parlour? I doubt if it is a government initiative; be it Californian or Federal. There has been some interesting stuff put out by Paul Budde recently (see the most recent 'Friday Fryup' from Russell Brown) about the impact (or lack) of NZ's telecommunications competition policy and has some bearing on the comment about the cost of 64K circuits in NZ. (Albeit, these comments are not really accepted in the place that I work.) Note that 64K circuits have never cost US$30K/m in NZ ... China had, and still has, some way to do to catch up, frankly. In commenting on the 'aisle' of Ciscos observed in Korea: it is perhaps possible that Telecom NZ has such as facility, I do not know. I am not aware of a serious lack of overseas data capacity for New Zealand at present (I would be very interested to know if there is in fact such a lack of capacity). The future seems reasonably secure with the prospect of the Southern Cross cable opening next year (increasing present overseas data carrying capacity by a factor of 100, I believe). There are serious bandwidth users in NZ. While I do not personally wish to carry any particular flame for Telecom NZ, I do know that Peter Jackson has had very good co-operation in having his on and off shore needs for very large bandwidth met by them (no doubt at a cost!). I personally believe there are concerns about local loop issues in NZ that need addressing but I have no concerns about national or international infrastructure where there is abundant competitive pressure and opportunity. The Internet in NZ has (& is) expanded (ing) very quickly. NZ has one of the top 10 Internet penetrations in the world (ahead of Australia, all of middle and southern Europe and miles ahead of Korea and the rest of Asia). There are issues about e-commerce development in NZ, certainly, if the Ernst Young report from early this year is to be believed. I am also very concerned about the apparent denigration of the need to develop and focus on post industrial economic models for NZ (ie the knowledge economy) by both politicians and media commentators in the current election campaign. But, Josh, if you really have a concern it has to be better directed and expressed than the comments you make in your post. Frank March > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Bailey [SMTP:josh(a)ascend.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 1999 13:09 > To: Roger De Salis > Cc: isocnz-members(a)isocnz.org.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999] > > > On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Roger De Salis wrote: > > > This country needs to build a very high speed, low cost communications > > network with Universal access in the same way that it needed to build > > railways in the last century, and roads and airports in this. > > It's becoming increasingly embarrassing being a New Zealander > internationally - just last week I tripped over a Cisco 675 being > installed in a pizza parlour on Telegraph, right next to Berkeley > university - even the homeless here "browse the 'Net." In South-East China > it used to cost $30K/US a month for a 64K circuit and you were lucky if it > stood up for a few days at a time - now there are bright shiny new NAPs > built on literally dirt floors that put New Zealand's to shame. I asked > Korea Telecom's 'Net operations manager once where his overseas feeds came > in, and he nonchanantly indicated an *aisle* of 10-15 Cisco 7513s > allocated just for that purpose. > > What other way can I say it? I turn my back on my country! > > New Zealand isn't interested in playing. Reliable and capacious Internet > access is two steps forward, one step back with a wobble for good measure > between steps. Culturally New Zealanders do not take the Internet > seriously. It is very clear from the outside looking in that NZ > politicians reflect the attitudes of their majorities quite accurately. > > In summarising and following on from your point Roger - it seems the only > way to get Powers To Be to listen is to walk out. Like other people of my > generation/age group/ambitions/industry, I can't wait for my country to > catch up with my future. > > -- > Josh Bailey (mailto:joshbailey(a)lucent.com) > lucent->ins->software->alameda[CA] > > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999]
by Warwick Glendenning 23 Nov '99

23 Nov '99

but at least we don't have nukes... -----Original Message----- From: Josh Bailey [mailto:josh(a)ascend.com] Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 1999 13:09 To: Roger De Salis Cc: isocnz-members(a)isocnz.org.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999] On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Roger De Salis wrote: > This country needs to build a very high speed, low cost communications > network with Universal access in the same way that it needed to build > railways in the last century, and roads and airports in this. It's becoming increasingly embarrassing being a New Zealander internationally - just last week I tripped over a Cisco 675 being installed in a pizza parlour on Telegraph, right next to Berkeley university - even the homeless here "browse the 'Net." In South-East China it used to cost $30K/US a month for a 64K circuit and you were lucky if it stood up for a few days at a time - now there are bright shiny new NAPs built on literally dirt floors that put New Zealand's to shame. I asked Korea Telecom's 'Net operations manager once where his overseas feeds came in, and he nonchanantly indicated an *aisle* of 10-15 Cisco 7513s allocated just for that purpose. What other way can I say it? I turn my back on my country! New Zealand isn't interested in playing. Reliable and capacious Internet access is two steps forward, one step back with a wobble for good measure between steps. Culturally New Zealanders do not take the Internet seriously. It is very clear from the outside looking in that NZ politicians reflect the attitudes of their majorities quite accurately. In summarising and following on from your point Roger - it seems the only way to get Powers To Be to listen is to walk out. Like other people of my generation/age group/ambitions/industry, I can't wait for my country to catch up with my future. -- Josh Bailey (mailto:joshbailey(a)lucent.com) lucent->ins->software->alameda[CA] --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999]
by Warwick Glendenning 23 Nov '99

23 Nov '99

Seriously I think your message was good wake up call to us involved in networking in NZ. -----Original Message----- From: Josh Bailey [mailto:josh(a)ascend.com] Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 1999 13:34 To: Warwick Glendenning Cc: Roger De Salis; isocnz-members(a)isocnz.org.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999] On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Warwick Glendenning wrote: > but at least we don't have nukes... Couldn't tell if there was a smiley there. :-) Nonetheless, we have have the Internet, nukes, and all the rest here to stay. I don't think ignoring any of them/it is the world's greatest strategy for survival.... -- Josh Bailey (mailto:joshbailey(a)lucent.com) lucent->ins->software->alameda[CA] --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Video Broadcast
by Richard Naylor 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

We have been advised by the Reserve Bank that the Governor, Don Brash will make a major announcement on Wednesday 17 Nov at 0900. They will be offering this via a streaming server at RBNZ and are concerned about the impact of possible traffic increases on the Internet. Their Corporate Affairs people have estimated that something between 200 and 800 clients MAY view it. Each client will be approx 28kbps stream. Routers on CityLink/WIX may struggle under the load. CityLink will install a temporary 100mbps link for the occassion, along with a WIX router, so that traffic gets passed directly to as many clients as possible. Is any WIX ISP interested in offering international traffic (and IP numbers to go behind the router) for the occassion ? Richard richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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0867 Access to Internet
by Nevil Brownlee 11 Nov '99

11 Nov '99

Dear Mr Williamson: This week I have been in America at an Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) meeting. IETF meetings bring together around 2000 technical people who are working together to develop and improve the global Internet. Among them are people from most of the world's telecommunications companies, which gives me a very good chance to talk to them and find out how telephone services work in other countries. I have taken the opportunity to canvas opinion on Telecom New Zealand's 0867 service for Internet access from the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN). Everyone has responded with open-mouthed astonishment to the idea that a single company could actually do this, and remark that "it wouldn't be legal in any other country." The effect of this service is to force ISP's to use Telecom to provide PSTN connection services for them, or to use another provider with whom Telecom has an '0867 agreement.' I fail to understand why you, as Minister of Communications, are prepared to allow any one company to exercise such a high degree of control over public access to the Internet in New Zealand. Would you please let me know how you intend to correct this anomoly if you continue to be New Zealand's Minister of Telecommunications? Yours sincerely, (Dr.) Nevil Brownlee +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee Director, Technology Development | | Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x8941 ITSS, The University of Auckland | | FAX: +64 9 373 7021 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +---------------------------------------------------------------------L --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Wee query about clear :)
by Arron Scott 10 Nov '99

10 Nov '99

Joe's point about Merit is where this get's interesting to me. Obviously, WIX and APE should move to a Arbitrated network in my opinion, if you are providing the route server, then you provide the only rational filtering point. On the issue of running the database though, this data may well reach beyond the realm of WIX and APE and their customers, for instance NetGate could use it to Clear directly etc. Wouldn't it be nice if we could trust that ISOCNZ and DomaiNZ could provide a useful cost-effective and more regionally acurate alternative to Merit !!! Well, I'm allowed to dream aren't I !!! Arron Scott Telecom NZ On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Joe Abley wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 10:30:59AM +1300, Simon Blake wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Jamie Clark wrote: > > > > > WIX has obviously worked well without filters so far. > > > > It comes and goes. Generally, it works fine, and that's probably a > > reflection on the stability of the NZ net, or at least, the bit that peers > > in wellington. In general, it's changes (additions of new peers) that can > > cause temporary hiccups (Actrix advertising 4000 prefixes yesterday being > > a good example). > > Originally, there was only one peering point, in Hamilton. It used > OSPF, which you couldn't filter, but that was generally ok because it > was more important to connect people to the exchange quickly and > easily than it was to worry about filtering problems. When your > only route out is through the exchange, you don't necessarily need > to worry much about filtering. > > Now there are three exchanges as well as private peering links in > the network, some operators have a choice of as many as six routes > for their domestic traffic to take as it leaves their network. This > requires some traffic engineering that previously was not particularly > necessary. > > The proliferation of domestic peering also means that finger trouble > at one particular operator now has (in some cases) six times as many > ways to cause problems for other operators, in a manner that is quite > possibly six times harder to debug. > > All this adds up to the fact that when Angry Customer calls up to > find out why his Angry Customer can't talk to someone else's Angry > Customer, you need some idea of how things _ought_ to look before > you can figure out what has broken. > > Publishing route policy makes that easier. It also makes it easier > to filter with some confidence, which is also a good thing. If > Atrix release 4000 prefixes into the network, and you pick them > up and trust them, then it's your fault for not filtering. Don't > yell at Actrix :) > > The tools required to set up and run an RPSL registry are all freely > available, but it _is_ something that needs to be set up professionally > and run as such, in my opinion. A flaky database which contains out-of- > date information because people can't update it is probably worse than > no database at all. > > Merit now charge US$200/year to keep records in their database. In the > absense of a similar facility elsewhere (e.g. in NZ) that is as stable > as Merit's, I would say that was good value for money. > > > My policy at the moment tends to vary, depending on the customer. If the > > peer is an ISP (ie, if they have their own ASN), then I assume they know > > what they're doing, > > You missed out the ":)" > > > and I don't filter incoming or outgoing updates, > > unless requested by the peer. > > Warning! Warning! > > > Joe > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Wee query about clear :) (fwd)
by Simon Blake 10 Nov '99

10 Nov '99

Hi all (bringing a conversation between Jamie Clark and yours truly out into the light) On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Jamie Clark wrote: > Simon, > > On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Simon Blake wrote: > > > > Any change in your policy of not publishing a route policy? :) > > > > "policy" is a bit strong :-). It has always been my intent to publish a > > No offence intended. and absolutely none taken. > > route policy, but time is pressing, and Clear are the only ISP on Citylink > > that consistantly ask for same. Everytime I sit down to learn what's > > involved and get a policy loaded, something else crops up that appears > > more urgent. :-( I'm happy to try and bump it up the priority list, if it > > will encourage more ISP's to peer. > > WIX has obviously worked well without filters so far. It comes and goes. Generally, it works fine, and that's probably a reflection on the stability of the NZ net, or at least, the bit that peers in wellington. In general, it's changes (additions of new peers) that can cause temporary hiccups (Actrix advertising 4000 prefixes yesterday being a good example). > It is certainly tempting to forgo the safety measures and peer anyway > - however I suspect that some day it will become necessary to have the > WIX route policy in some form of database. (?) maybe, perhaps. Absolutely, especially as WIX rises in importance as a major peering point in NZ, rather than as a "backup" peering point, which has been it's role until now. > IMHO it is a potential security risk if you cannot control which routes > you choose to learn from your neighbours. It would be possible for a WIX > customer with evil intentions to advertise a longer prefix into our > network and steal our customer's traffic (or any other WIX ISP's traffic > for that matter). Hmmm (evil ideas spring to mind) It may seem a bit odd, but this has been one of my pet *aims* for WIX! Contrary to popular belief, Citylink doesn't have infinite network capacity :-). Therefore, providing a mechanism where customers of ISP's can transit data directly to other customers of ISP's, without having that data split horizon through one or two ISP routers is increasingly desirable. That's why we have a setup where a little Citylink customer with a /28 from their ISP and no ASN can still peer with the route server and exchange data directly with other Citylink users. > It would not be sufficient for us to deny these advertisements either - as > they may very well be legitimate (multihoming). Having said that (that I think allowing small Citylink customers to advertise long prefix routes directly is desirable), I'm all for restricting what the route server will accept from each client. My policy at the moment tends to vary, depending on the customer. If the peer is an ISP (ie, if they have their own ASN), then I assume they know what they're doing, and I don't filter incoming or outgoing updates, unless requested by the peer. If the peer has no ASN, then I assume that they're less clueful, and also that they're likely to have a small number of routes that change infrequently. Because those non ASN peers are much more likely to foul things up, I filter the updates I receive from them to only the routes they've told me they'll send. > Admittedly a policy database with automatic updates will not > necessarily prevent this - but at least there would be an audit trail > pointing to the offender. And that has to be a good thing. > With the current operational changes to RADB it looks like we will set up > our own database and have this mirrored by RADB. This won't happen until > next year though. The goal would be to automatically generate router BGP > configs from this database. > > If you're interested (and provided you don't do it first ;) I'm sure we > would be keen to pass on anything that might be useful. When I last looked at the RADb a few months ago, I mused that having route arbiters on WIX and/or APE might not be a bad thing, and would be a useful service for Citylink to provide in it's capacity as "neutral peering provider to the stars" :-). Seeing that Merit are planning to charge US$200 per year leads me to believe that it's an idea who's time may have come. Comments? Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra NZ live on the APE
by Joe Abley 10 Nov '99

10 Nov '99

Hi all, A few minutes ago Telstra NZ exchanged its first routes with CLEAR and Plain Communications over the APE. The peering relationships are currently in test, and we expect a stable policy to be in place on the routers early next week. Many thanks to Phil Groom for doing most of the work, Chris Wedgwood and Matthew Grant for being available to peer at the drop of a hat, and Ben Martel for being generally a handy man to know. For future reference, Telstra NZ's Sky Tower router is numbered 192.203.154.32 on the exchange subnet, and has a clean 100M back to the data centre in Queen Street over dark fibre, backed up with DMR. Telstra are announcing routes from AS4763. Full route policy will be published shortly, probably in the RADB. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Two new ISP's on WIX
by Simon Blake 08 Nov '99

08 Nov '99

Hi all Just a quick note - late last week XTRA joined WIX, and as of a few minutes ago IHUG is peering with the route server. By my reckoning, that makes 15 ISP's on Citylink, of which 14 are using WIX to peer in some fashion. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 07 Nov '99

07 Nov '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had a little over one 110 subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins -- Donald Neal | HTTP is everywhere. It could not be so Service Platforms | pervasive without being good. Centralised Maintain and Support | Therefore, HTTP is good. Telecom NZ Ltd | - RFC2324 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Connections to APE (plus changes)
by Richard Naylor 01 Nov '99

01 Nov '99

In the next week or so the 2 switches at APE will be replaced with a more capable Cisco switch, through the generosity of Cisco NZ. While this is taking place there will be a smal outage on the APE switch. Users will notice an outage of less than 1 minute while the new switch learns mac addresses etc. At the same time, cablers will be on site and available to connect up any parties interested in joining the exchange. Prospective users whose external connectivity has yet to arrive, can still be connected while the cabling is taking place - its easier for the installers to pull a bundle at one time. If you are interested in having cable put in place for a future connection, please contact me in the next week. thanks - rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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web page with APE stuff on it
by Joe Abley 01 Nov '99

01 Nov '99

I thought it might be good to have some info about APE on a web page somewhere. So I threw this together: http://www.patho.gen.nz/ape/ It almost certainly contains at least _some_ lies; please let me know what they are (or, if you don't care, I'll just carry on spreading them :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WHOIS/Zone Transfer Policy
by John Vorstermans 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

Hi. The revised draft of the WHOIS and Zone Transfer policies are now available at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/whoisdraft231099.html http://www.isocnz.org.nz/zfdraft231099.html Any comment or feedback are welcome. The earlier drafts are still available at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/zfdraft1099.html http://www.isocnz.org.nz/whoisdraft1099.html Regards John Vorstermans Technical Committee ISOCNZ -- John Vorstermans || We are what we repeatedly do. Technical Manager || - Aristotle Actrix Networks --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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rata.vuw.ac.nz outage
by Richard Stevenson 23 Oct '99

23 Oct '99

Hi all I figured that you may all want to know that rata.vuw.ac.nz, one of the secondary nameservers for the nz ccTLD, will be out of service for an undetermined period of time tomorrow evening (Saturday 23 October 1999). As part of our Y2K preparations, management here has decided that all of our core systems should be shut down, powered off, left to cool, and then restarted, to see what breaks. This will all happen tomorrow night. The shutdown and startup procedures will be carried out by unqualified staff (i.e. not even Unix-literate) as an experiment in system documentation standards. I hope to see you all on the other side. Regards Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Stevenson Systems Engineer, Information Technology Services Victoria University of Wellington Phone: +64 4 4635051 Fax: +64 4 4635552 Being a Unix system administrator is like being a tech in a biological warfare laboratory, except that none of the substances are labeled consistently, any of the compounds are just as likely to kill you by themselves as they are when mixed with one another, and it is never clear what distinction is made between a catastrophic failure in the lab and a successful test in the field. (--M. Tiemann) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: rata.vuw.ac.nz outage
by Mark Davies 21 Oct '99

21 Oct '99

From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)patho.gen.nz> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:41:35 +1300 > Nice to have some warning on this. However, 24 hours is a little > slim for an event that will take out 1/6 of all recursive lookups > on nz names "for an undetermined period", isn't it? Well I would have given you more warning but when I first heard they were going to do this and queried it I misread the answer they gave me to say that rata wouldn't be included so Richards message was a little surprise to me as well. Rata is intended to be the last machine down and the first up so hopefully the disruption should be quite short. mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [ISOCNZ-L] Re: zdraft1099.html (DRAFT ISOCNZ Zone Transfer P
by Mark Harris 18 Oct '99

18 Oct '99

Joe, Not to steal his thunder, but John V. has indicated to the Council that he had received some good feedback from the lists and email which is going to require a redraft of both policies to include some of the suggestions and rewordings. He also said that the Technical Committee is meeting later this week to consider these changes and he hopes to have something final after that. We don't want this to go on forever, so I imagine RSN :-) Cheers Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [SMTP:jabley(a)patho.gen.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:44 AM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz > Subject: Re: [ISOCNZ-L] Re: zdraft1099.html (DRAFT ISOCNZ Zone > Transfer P > > It seems that a reasonable amount of feedback has been provided now... > When can we expect revised draft policies to be made available? > > > Joe > > - > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the isocnz-l mailing list send a message > to majordomo(a)isocnz.org.nz with the keyword subscribe or unsubscribe > as the message plus the list name i.e. unsubscribe isocnz-l --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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zdraft1099.html (DRAFT ISOCNZ Zone Transfer Policy)
by Joe Abley 18 Oct '99

18 Oct '99

John, Some feedback for you. Background A primary name server is a name server that gets the data for its zones from local files. Changes to a zone, such as adding domains or hosts, are done at the Primary Name Server. A secondary name server gets the data for its zones from another name server across the network which is authoritative for that zone. The processes of obtaining this zone information (that is the database file) across the network is referred to as a zone transfer. Since bind 8 I believe the nomenclature that has been widely adopted is a "master" nameserver (corresponding to a master zone configured on that host) and multiple "slave" nameservers which keep their copies of the zone up-to-date using zone transfers. Probably makes sense to make use of the current terminology. Zone Transfers will be allowed provided: [...] I think that there are numerous reasons to perform a zone transfer which are not covered here, which would be consistent with the privacy act provision in point 2. It seems to me that the list is unnecessarily restrictive in presuming to know all the reasons an operator might have for performing a zone transfer. I also think that there is nothing wrong with statistics gathering. Understanding trends makes the network a safer place. I do not understand your earlier point that data for statistical analysis would be available on the web, but not by zone transfer... Perhaps I misunderstood it. I would rephrase point (3) to be something like: that it is not for the purpose of allowing, enabling or otherwise supporting the transmission of mass unsolicitited, commercial advertising or solicitatious e-mail. I would also make point (4) a little more general, and allow zone transfers to facilitate "operational network engineering". Is it reasonable for a request not to contain a detailed description of the reason for wanting to perform a zone transfer? What is a reasonable request? Is the idea of this policy to be prepared in the event that a flagrant misuse of the zone data occurs? If so, I think it's a good idea. If the idea is to implement an immediate set of restrictions on zone transfers, and to administer zone transfer access control (including all associated adds, moves and changes) for all secondary nameservers, then I remain slightly dubious :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Draft WHOIS and Zone Transfer Policies
by John Vorstermans 16 Oct '99

16 Oct '99

Greetings. The ISOCNZ Technical Committee has prepared two draft policies. 1. Directing Domainz to implement a WHOIS server. http://www.isocnz.org.nz/whoisdraft1099.html 2. A policy on Zone Transfers. http://www.isocnz.org.nz/zfdraft1099.html I hope to be able to ask the council to vote on these next week. Any comments or submissions to these draft proposals would of course be most welcome. If you wish to make a submission please email to john(a)actrix.co.nz These drafts have also been sent to the ISOCNZ members mailing list for comment. Regards John -- John Vorstermans || We are what we repeatedly do. Technical Manager || - Aristotle Actrix Networks --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: whoisdraft1099.html (DRAFT WHOIS SERVER POLICY)
by Joe Abley 15 Oct '99

15 Oct '99

John, More feedback, different draft. An WHOIS server is the Internet Standard way of access details from, in our case, the .nz database. "a" whois server, surely :) * It is a separate service. Separate from what? * It is currently provided by all major Name Service organisations, e.g. Ripe and APNIC etc. RIPE and APNIC aren't actually name service organisations; they're regional registries for ASN and IP number allocations. You might use CRSNIC, NSI, Nominet, etc if you're looking for examples of registries' and registrars' use of whois. WHOIS Policy * That NZIRL be required to put in place a standard WHOIS server on the .nz database. What needs to be carefully specified is the formatting of queries and responses to the whois service. There are a number of different "standard" query definitions and response formats currently in use amongst different registries. It would make sense for Domainz/ISOCNZ to approach the heavier users of their existing services and consult as to the query and response formats that are required. The Data in ISOCNZ WHOIS database is provided by NZIRL for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. NZIRL does not guarantee its accuracy. NIRL should guarantee that the response returned to a query is consistent with the data stored by Domainz at the time of the query. (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to NZIRL (or its systems). I'm not sure what this means. What does it mean? ISOCNZ reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. I would imagine that you should qualify this by specifying how changes to the policy will be notified to users of the whois service. You might also refer to RFC812, which specifies nicname/whois. It's a little old (it refers to NCP/TCP!) but the core protocol is described there, such as it is. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [ISOCNZ-Members] Draft WHOIS Policy
by David Harpham 15 Oct '99

15 Oct '99

ISOCNZ technical committee, Thanks very much for the opportunity to comment (and hopefully influence) the Zone transfer and Whois policies, *before having the council vote on them.* DRAFT ZONE TRANSFER POLICY (http://www.isocnz.org.nz/zfdraft1099.html) ========================================================== Great to see that "No reasonable request shall be refused." A/ In item 3. it explicitly lists "simply for the gathering of statistical analysis" as being undesirable. Surely we can remove this phrase. The no spam bit I endorse but no statistics is a bit closed shop isn't it.? B/ In item 3 it provides for 'private name' servers. What is the objection to (shadow) public but non authoritative name servers. Surely these are OK in an open environment.? An ISP may want to improve response times for it's customers and help unload the official authoritative name servers, this would help robustness with perhaps a greater diversity of machines and operators. If it is OK for Auckland University then why not an ISP? DRAFT WHOIS POLICY (http://www.isocnz.org.nz/whoisdraft1099.html) ==================================================== Starts off well pointing out the expectation that "It is used generally by system administrators." A/ Surely to be useful for an ISP administrator, the ISP needs to be able to be sure that it is the current authoritative contents of the official database but instead we have "NZIRL does not guarantee its accuracy". Also I do not believe that ISOCNZ policy should include a disclaimer on behalf of NZIRL, I think people need to be clear which hat is being worn when they write this. B/ Surely to be useful to ISP administrators, one of the major differences in using a Whois instead of a web page is that it *CAN* be used for efficient automated definitive lookups etc. Why specifically ""under no circumstances will you use this Data to ...enable high volume, automated, electronic processes ", I thought that was largely what the objective was. OVERALL ========= If we make the above changes (open statistics gathering, open shadow name servers, accuracy of whois with efficient automation) we might allow for ISP's wanting to provide equivalent or alternative services to the registry in an efficient manor, without them it looks very centralist. Cheers David Harpham david(a)harpham.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Petition for .nz registry WHOIS server
by 2Day Operations 11 Oct '99

11 Oct '99

Thanks to those folk who took the time to complete a petition and send it on to us. I have today couriered them to the secretary of ISOCNZ. Lets see if we can get a WHOIS server in place before their new Internet foundation gets all the millions in profit from DOMAINZ. Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Looking for Web servers to ping - network research
by Joerg Micheel 07 Oct '99

07 Oct '99

Dear NZnoggers, there are currently some research projects going on which try to measure the health and state of the Internet on a global and local scale. University of Waikato Computer Science is hosting a skitter server for CAIDA, the UCSD-based Internet Research Corporation. The skitter project involves pinging (ICMP traffic) a larger number of "interesting" hosts on the Internet and drawing some conclusions about reachability, network load, performance etc. These people are expanding their scope and would like to find new destinations they could ping on a regular basis. Web servers are of high interest. If you are a network administrator, web administrator etc, who is willing to support such research (and potentially receive valuable information from active network measurements), please get back to me as soon as possible. Thank you for your time. Joerg Micheel ----- Forwarded message from Tracie Monk <tmonk(a)caida.org> ----- We might add that for these measurements, web server are preferred targets. Please do not include any routers or workstations in your lists of additions to the destination lists. We will add everyone's additions next week, then distribute a new dataset soon after. Thanks for your help. Tracie Dear Skitter-Asia Collaborators, We have now collected sufficient data using our initial Skitter destination list that we can now entertain making additions to the list. If you have a suggestions please provide us with the destination host name and IP address. We would prefer candidates with diverse characteristics. For example, we prefer to have examples from commercial, education, non-profit, network, and government sectors. Also destinations from different geographical locations are of interest. Typically we monitor only one host per domain name (i.e. caida.org, san.rr.com,) but exceptions are made for interesting destinations. Please send your suggestions to me along with any additional information you can provide. Peace, Edouard -------------------- Edouard Lagache, PhD elagache(a)caida.org phone (858) 534-5045 fax (858) 822-0861 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Waikato Applied Network Dynamics Phone: +64 7 8384794 The University of Waikato, SCMS Fax: +64 7 8384155 Private Bag 3105 Pager: +64 868 38222 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: TINE and the DAG's --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 06 Oct '99

06 Oct '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had a little over one hundred subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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singlemode/multimode media converters
by Joe Abley 06 Oct '99

06 Oct '99

Noggers, Anybody have any good ideas where I can get my hands on two singlemode/ multimode converters, suitable for clocking at 155M with ATM? SDH framing, if that makes a difference. Needed in Auckland pretty urgently... Any pointers appreciated. Preferred SC connectors on the multimode side, ST on the singlemode. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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SunOS 4.1.3
by Chris Wedgwood 04 Oct '99

04 Oct '99

Can anyone tell me where the localtime/zoneinfo file for the current timezone should reside on a SunOS 4.1.3 box? I have one that is so horrible crippled right now, I can't think of any good way to find out... -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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whois.patho.gen.nz now working again
by Joe Abley 01 Oct '99

01 Oct '99

Hi, Just in case anybody missed it :) whois.patho.gen.nz is now reporting correctly again, pulling registration info from http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER. The extended breakage wasn't due to any re-formatting of the data returned by that script at waikato, incidentally; it was entirely due to the fact that the little awk script which drives whois.patho.gen.nz was using character class extensions which are specified in POSIX 1003.2, and implemented in gawk, but sadly misinterpreted by whatever awk OpenBSD installs in /usr/bin. Well, actually the extended-ness of the breakage was more to do with the fact that I wasn't bored enough to look at it until now. nz.whois-servers.net is a CNAME for tardis.patho.gen.nz, which is nice of them. Note that this is a highly non-production system, and is most definitely not what Peter needs to run his business :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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3q99 in-addr.arpa walk, second notice
by bmanning＠flag.ep.net 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

This event will commence in a week. Once again, here is the annoucement. -------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I appologize for duplicates. The next audit of the in-addr.arpa. tree will begin 01 october 1999. Since 1997, I've been walking the in-addr tree every quarter, looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. Queries will be from the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. Online summaries can be found at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html --bill --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: cisco AS5200 with V.90 modems...
by Steve Lang 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

Hiya. On Friday, 24 September 1999 04:07, Josh Bailey [SMTP:joshbailey(a)lucent.com] wrote: > To be fair to Cisco, if I understand your message correctly, your trial > did not actually involve the hardware you went live with. Yep. The difference in modem hardware and modem compatibility was out shadowed by the generic problems in the IOS that we experienced. At one stage, one cisco engineer suggested that the fact that the american models had an extra 2 modems than the maximum number of channels available to the NAS, vs. NZ, where the maximum # channels = total modems was masking quite a lot of the problems. Hence they seemed to not experience as many of the probs. in the US. The other major factor of course was that for the pilot, the 5200 had plenty of spare modems, and plenty of spare cpu. In reality, it was probably just a very bad pilot...... As for 5300's with MICA, they seem to work sweet as. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: cisco AS5200 with V.90 modems...
by Steve Lang 22 Sep '99

22 Sep '99

Hi. (Pls excuse, new to this list.) On Thursday, 23 September 1999 16:18, Josh Bailey [SMTP:joshbailey(a)lucent.com] wrote: > Unfortunately the only real way you will be able to tell, for any given > environment, is try it and see in a small scale, controlled trail. No > vendor can provide you with the proverbial rock-solid gaurantee that a > wildly hetreogenous populution of clients from many different > manufacturers, firmware versions, etc will respond well to a given > implementation. At my previous employer, we did that, with 5200 and Microcom v.34 (K56Flex not released by then.) All went well with 1 PRI from Clear dms100 and 1 fully equipped 5200. Ran perfectly. Put 3 x 5200's maxed out with Microcom 56K modems (but limited to v.34) and we went through 14 months of bug fixes and reloads and memory leaks and all sorts of shit. At one stage, the Telco switch was signalling the end of a call, and the NAS was ignoring it as it hadn't received a PPP or LAPM disconnect notice. This was of course fixed, memory leaks never were. Needless to say, the 5300's were actually much better when we trialled them, even with MICA. The point? I no no longer trust the accuracy of Pilot's. The pilot of 5200 went perfectly, the implementation was hell. Cheers - --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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0867
by Joe Abley 16 Sep '99

16 Sep '99

Possibly of negligable operational concern, but I thought it was newsworthy :) If it's old news, then my excuse is that I've been out of the country for a month, so give me a break :) http://www.clear.net.nz/new/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OReilly Book, DNS and Bind.
by Roger De Salis 16 Sep '99

16 Sep '99

Anyone on this list not have, or not have access to ...... DNS & Bind, Cricket Liu at al, OReilly, I know some may have bought it twice (4.x and 8.x) Anyone bought it more than twice..... Just my curiousity, no doubt there is some smart bugger out there who only uses the source... Rgds Roger -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Petition for .nz registry WHOIS server
by peter＠2day.com 14 Sep '99

14 Sep '99

NZNOG list subscribers REMINDER - please post your signed petition letter ASAP! As an organisation with an interest in the Internet in New Zealand you are invited to sign the attached letter requesting an industry standard WHOIS server for the .nz domain name registry. If you want to be a part of this initiative, please PRINT the letter, SIGN and POST the original to:- WHOIS petition 2Day Internet Limited P O Box 36 502 Northcote AUCKLAND We will forward your letter along with others in a single courier pak to ISOCNZ. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/-

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Petition for .nz registry WHOIS server
by peter＠2day.com 09 Sep '99

09 Sep '99

NZNOG list subscribers As an organisation with an interest in the Internet in New Zealand you are invited to sign the attached letter requesting an industry standard WHOIS server for the .nz domain name registry. If you want to be a part of this initiative, please PRINT the letter, SIGN and POST the original to:- WHOIS petition 2Day Internet Limited P O Box 36 502 Northcote AUCKLAND We will forward your letter along with others in a single courier pak to ISOCNZ. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/-

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had just over one hundred subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Petition for provision of WHOIS server for .nz
by Peter Mott 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

Its been several years since requests commenced for an industry standard WHOIS server providing public access to .nz registry data. We still do not have one. 2day.com is now preparing a petition to present to ISOCNZ requesting it direct the registry company to have an official .nz WHOIS server up and operating within 60 days. Internet providers and other interested organisations who are interested in signing such a petition are invited to write to me privately to obtain a copy of the document to sign and return to us for compilation. Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [ISOCNZ-L] Petition for provision of WHOIS server for .nz
by John Vorstermans 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

At 04:54 PM 07-09-99 +1200, Alan Brown wrote: >The fact that someone got peeved enough to hack up something to do the >job because DOMAINZ/ISOCNZ can't be bothered says much. Hey Alan... happy to take this to the council as I agree it is worth us doing. In fact it has been discussed and some policy which covers Zone Transfers, which has also been discussed in nznog, will need to incorporate such a service. This policy should be posted in the not-to-distant future. Look forward to receiving the Petition. Cheers John -- John Vorstermans || As the mind, so the man; Actrix Networks Limited || bondage or liberation are in Level 1, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington NZ || your own mind. Phone (021) 432-987 || Sanskrit saying. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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3q99 in-addr.arpa walk, first notice
by bmanning＠flag.ep.net 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

Hi, I appologize for duplicates. The next audit of the in-addr.arpa. tree will begin 01 october 1999. Since 1997, I've been walking the in-addr tree every quarter, looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. Queries will be from the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. Online summaries can be found at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html --bill --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: nz99.waikato.ac.nz
by Rex Croft, 07 838 4597 29 Aug '99

29 Aug '99

The outage of ns99.waikato.ac.nz was not unexpected. But the length of the outage *was* unexpected. The University had to power down some of its comms gear at 4am Sunday so the power could be changed to a different phase on our UPS (we have a bad phase inbalance). Some machines had a previous history of not liking the main IP switch being powered off, especially those Intel boxes with DEC ethernet cards. And Domainz2 (aka ns99) is one of those. It took a long time to get ns99 working because it seemed to be destroying switch ports. Several switch ports had to be tried before one was found that ns99 liked :-) . I would like to point out that the only time connectivity to ns99 is critical is about 4:30pm each working day when the zone file are reloaded. At all other times ns99 has the secondary nameservers of *.nz backing it up. - Rex Croft ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:26:58 +1200 From: Chris Wedgwood <cw(a)f00f.org> Subject: nz99.waikato.ac.nz Looks like nz99.waikato.ac.nz is hosed -- any idea who gets called to restart this? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nz99.waikato.ac.nz
by Chris Wedgwood 28 Aug '99

28 Aug '99

Looks like nz99.waikato.ac.nz is hosed -- any idea who gets called to restart this? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: scheduled work on NZIX 4-6AM Sunday morning, August 29,1999
by Dennis Su 23 Aug '99

23 Aug '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Su > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 4:21 PM > To: Brett Telfer (E-mail); Joe Abley (E-mail); Kishor Morar (E-mail); > Phillip Lindsay (E-mail); Sreenivas Katta (E-mail); Steve Dodd (E-mail); > Tony Wicks (E-mail); Peter Wilson (E-mail); Steve Dodd (E-mail); Rowan > Smith (E-mail); Stan Y (E-mail); 'grwom(a)telstra.co.nz' > Subject: scheduled work from 4-6AM Sunday morning, August 29,1999 > > Hi, > > University of Waikato will be changing the phase of power of the rack > where NZIX switches are housed( not ISPs' equipment) to reduce the load. > Because of the redundant configuration of NZIX, we would be able to > maintain the network availability of NZIX but inevitably it will cause the > short outage when the customers' equipments are repatched to the redundant > NZIX switch and when they are connected back to the primary NZIX switch. > It would cause less than 40 seconds for each patching for each ISP router. > It will occur during 4-6AM Sunday, August 29 1999. Sorry for any > inconvenience it may cause. > > Regards, > Dennis > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Clear advertising International routes on NZIX
by Tony Wicks 19 Aug '99

19 Aug '99

I would like an explanation as to why Clear ( It looks like it was just fixed ) was advertising international routes in Waikato - router-hn#sh ip route www.cnn.com Translating "www.cnn.com"...domain server (140.200.128.13) (130.217.64.3) [OK] Routing entry for 207.25.71.0/24 Known via "ospf 1", distance 110, metric 10 Tag 2828, type extern 2, forward metric 10 Redistributing via ospf 1 Last update from 140.200.128.18 on Ethernet0, 11:20:10 ago Routing Descriptor Blocks: * 140.200.128.18, from 203.167.226.150, 11:20:10 ago, via Ethernet0 Route metric is 10, traffic share count is 1 [tonyw(a)wet tonyw]$ nslookup 140.200.128.18 Server: nscache1.iconz.co.nz Address: 210.48.65.2 Name: clearfr.nzix.waikato.ac.nz Address: 140.200.128.18 This caused a major outage on my network due to the routing tables filling up the available memory on some of my smaller routers. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom ATM Fubar.
by James Tyson 18 Aug '99

18 Aug '99

I, personally, would love to extend a hefty handshake of congratulations to David Dix and his cohorts for completely rooting the Telecom ATM network causing several major outages for myself and Simon Lyall to deal with. You guys get the "plonker admin of the month award" for this month. no default-information in no default-information out Cheers. James Tyson -- Engineering Supervisor - The Internet Group. Friends don't let friends do *BSD --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Assistance Required with survey of Internet survey
by Andy Lake 17 Aug '99

17 Aug '99

Frank You can send it to me, although if its as large as they suggest, we cant gaurantee it will be answered. My only question (that I hope will be answered in the info that will be sent) is what is the objective of the study and therefore why should we participate? BTW I'm away for three week from Friday, so will need to receive the info tomorrow. Rgds andy > -- > Andy Lake > Manager, Internet Services, CLEAR Communications Ltd > Tel +64 9 9124616, Fax +64 9 9125008, Mob 021 650017 > ISP http://www.clear.net.nz/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank March [SMTP:Frank.March(a)moc.govt.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 1999 16:16 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: Mark Holman > Subject: Assistance Required with survey of Internet survey > > Folks: > > You may recall the APEC TEL study on Internet costs that I have raised on > a > small number of occasions. This is now known as ICAIS (for: International > Charging Arrangements for Internet Services) and is proceeding. The group > conducting the study are to issue a survey and we need 5 people from major > ISPs in NZ to volunteer to assist by completing a pilot study in fairly > short order (before mid September). There will be more responses sought > at > a later date. I have appended a copy of the original message below. > > I would appreciate anyone prepared to assist to contact me directly and I > will pass the contact details on. I guess we need (if possible) someone > from Telecom/Xtra; Clear; IHUG; Voyager and at least one more. > > Here is the original message sent to our APEC TEL delegate or 'point of > contact' (POC), Mark Holman: > > <quote> > From: Vernon VASU(a)TAS.GOV.SG on 17/08/99 08:37 AM > > Hi Mark, > > Have to bother you for 2 things - > > 1. ICAIS - its coming along and we are in the survey phase. The > questionnaire > will come out shortly. Its pretty hefty and we would need some responses > in > time > for TEL20, where a prelim report will be given - so we are looking for a > 2 > stage approach towards gathering data. The 1st stage is to get about 5 > responses > from each economy in time for TEL20 and then more later. > > Because the questionnaire is quite large, we don't want to spring it on > anyone > unannounced, and on top of that, they might have questions as well. So the > plan > that Richard Thwaites, the consultants and I came up with is to request > that > POCs obtain the contact details of persons in a position to respond in 5 > of > the > biggest ISPs in their economy and pass them to the consultants through me. > When > the quesionnaire goes out, the POC would then send it to the 5 people. > ccing > the > consultants, who will follow-up with them. Does this sound ok with you? > Sorry to > spring this on you so soon after you have got back. > <end quote> > <second point deleted> > > Your attention is appreciated! > > Frank March > Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group > Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ > Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Assistance Required with survey of Internet survey
by Frank March 17 Aug '99

17 Aug '99

Folks: You may recall the APEC TEL study on Internet costs that I have raised on a small number of occasions. This is now known as ICAIS (for: International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services) and is proceeding. The group conducting the study are to issue a survey and we need 5 people from major ISPs in NZ to volunteer to assist by completing a pilot study in fairly short order (before mid September). There will be more responses sought at a later date. I have appended a copy of the original message below. I would appreciate anyone prepared to assist to contact me directly and I will pass the contact details on. I guess we need (if possible) someone from Telecom/Xtra; Clear; IHUG; Voyager and at least one more. Here is the original message sent to our APEC TEL delegate or 'point of contact' (POC), Mark Holman: <quote> From: Vernon VASU(a)TAS.GOV.SG on 17/08/99 08:37 AM Hi Mark, Have to bother you for 2 things - 1. ICAIS - its coming along and we are in the survey phase. The questionnaire will come out shortly. Its pretty hefty and we would need some responses in time for TEL20, where a prelim report will be given - so we are looking for a 2 stage approach towards gathering data. The 1st stage is to get about 5 responses from each economy in time for TEL20 and then more later. Because the questionnaire is quite large, we don't want to spring it on anyone unannounced, and on top of that, they might have questions as well. So the plan that Richard Thwaites, the consultants and I came up with is to request that POCs obtain the contact details of persons in a position to respond in 5 of the biggest ISPs in their economy and pass them to the consultants through me. When the quesionnaire goes out, the POC would then send it to the 5 people. ccing the consultants, who will follow-up with them. Does this sound ok with you? Sorry to spring this on you so soon after you have got back. <end quote> <second point deleted> Your attention is appreciated! Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 09 Aug '99

09 Aug '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had a little over ninety subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [APE-DISCUSS] APE going live!
by Joe Abley 09 Aug '99

09 Aug '99

In case anybody here isn't subscribed to the APE list, and is interested, the first production routes were exchanged over the neutral peering point in Auckland's Sky Tower today, between Plain Communications and CLEAR. On Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 12:03:21PM +1200, Matthew Grant wrote: > Hi There! > > IF you want to know who I am, I am the Network Administrator for Plain > Communications (http://www.plain.co.nz/) an ISP down in Christchurch. > > We are on the APE, and are just conducting initial BGP pairing trials > with Clear. They are going satisfactorily, and we will be initiating > full peering with them probably this afternoon, if not tomorrow. > > My primary motivation for this announcement is to encourage you all, > and to get things moving along. > > If you are ready to peer with us on APE, or if you wish to please get > back to me as we are ready for it. > > Plain Communications carries approx. 150 of New Zealand's National > WWW sites, which is probably a significant proportion of the National > total of larger WWW sites (I am trying to exclude personal home pages > here). > > I hope that this is helpful. Thank you for all your support in making > APE possible. > > Cheers, > > Matthew Grant > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Matthew Grant Email: matthewg(a)plain.co.nz > Network Manager, Plain Communications Phone: +64 3 3645888 > PO Box 7578, Christchurch, New Zealand Fax: +64 3 3645835 > - > This message was sent via APE-DISCUSS. To unsubscribe, send a message > containing the line "unsubscribe ape-discuss" to majordomo(a)patho.gen.nz. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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SunOS 4.1.3 -Reply
by Donald Neal 09 Aug '99

09 Aug '99

>>> "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)patho.gen.nz> 8/August/1999 02:02pm >>> >Hi, >Anybody still have SunOS 4.1.3 media hanging around that they no >longer want? >Joe Hmm. Who's got a legacy network now, then? '/' Donald Neal Network Minion Telecom --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: SunOS 4.1.3 -Reply
by Michael White 09 Aug '99

09 Aug '99

Canada has .... Michael White Multimedia Product Manager CLEAR Communications Limited mailto:mwhite(a)clear.co.nz http://www.clear.net.nz Ph. 64 9 912 4659 -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 8:31 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: SunOS 4.1.3 -Reply >>> "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)patho.gen.nz> 8/August/1999 02:02pm >>> >Hi, >Anybody still have SunOS 4.1.3 media hanging around that they no >longer want? >Joe Hmm. Who's got a legacy network now, then? '/' Donald Neal Network Minion Telecom --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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SunOS 4.1.3
by Joe Abley 07 Aug '99

07 Aug '99

Hi, Anybody still have SunOS 4.1.3 media hanging around that they no longer want? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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domestic congestion?
by Peter Mott 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

We are experiencing an unusally high number of reports from customers connecting to CLEAR and XTRA having performance problems FTP'ing to our web servers. Worst times seem to be late afternoon and late at night. Given that our 2Mbps link to Netgate is idling along, one expects there are some issues between afore mention providers and Netgate. It was not uncommon to get the occasional report from an IHUG customer, but it seems CLEAR and XTRA have joined in :-) I dont have any traces as yet, just customer service stats recording large jump in calls on this topic. Anybody have any knowledge / facts that may explain above? Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ape.net.nz
by Joe Abley 28 Jul '99

28 Jul '99

Good lord, what a lot of nameservers :) I have chosen a selection from the replies I got -- I thought twenty nameservers for a single zone was probably over the top, and the selection below gives good diversity between different NZ networks. These were pretty much the first replies I got back. ns1.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.226) [SOA] ns1.netlink.co.nz (202.20.93.10) ns1.clear.net.nz (203.97.33.14) ns1.ihug.net.nz (203.29.160.4) The zone should be ready for transfer from 203.97.231.226 right now. Thanks for all the other people who offered nameservice for the zone. I'll certainly keep you in mind next time I want something for free :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Volunteers for nameservice, please: ape.net.nz
by Joe Abley 28 Jul '99

28 Jul '99

[to nznog, bcc'd to ape-discuss, sorry for duplicates] I am about to ask ISOCNZ to arrange the ape.net.nz domain for the benefit of the community, for use relating to the Auckland Peering Exchange. We need volunteers for: + primary nameservice; someone needs to be the main point of contact for adding records to the zone + secondary nameservice; it would be nice to have a few secondary nameservers around the place. If you'd like to be involved, please contact me directly -- I'd like to get a list of nameservers organised quickly so I can approach ISOCNZ with instructions for getting the zone live. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Could someone help this person? -Reply
by Donald Neal 28 Jul '99

28 Jul '99

>>> "Russell Street" <russells(a)auckland.ac.nz> 28/July/1999 08:31pm >>> >I don't know if this was sent to a lot of people or not, but am >forwarding it to here because I don't have more than a rough idea >about the answer. >Russell I get questions like this from time to time. Requests for historical information I refer to http://www.waikato.ac.nz/cache/www5/ and http://www.auckland.ac.nz/net/Accounting/nze.html . As to the current state of New Zealand's IP backbone I tell people there isn't one, though a number of corporates, including ISP's, operate their own medium- and long-distance links using point-to-point services provided by telcos. If anyone has an improvement on that answer, I'd be keen to hear about it. - Donald Neal ----- Forwarded message from Wdy ----- ~From woody(a)paradise.net.nz Tue Jul 27 08:19 NZS 1999 ~Message-ID: <000c01bed7a3$f224ed60$4a9460cb(a)woody> ~From: "Wdy" <woody(a)paradise.net.nz> ~To: <r.street(a)auckland.ac.nz> ~Subject: hi ~Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:17:54 +1200 [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] As an student I'm doing an assignment on the backbone structure available to New Zealand however I'm finding it hard to find any information the topic I have the data on the Gateway into NZ but there are surely more backbone structures than that network please have you any information on this topic any help would be greatly appreciated. thank you Alistair Wood --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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6bone
by Joe Abley 28 Jul '99

28 Jul '99

Hey, Anybody want some transit to the 6bone? I have a test router configured with IPv6 tunnels to Sprint, cisco and BT, and I'm keen to play with it. Some links: http://www.6bone.net/ http://www.cisco.com/ipv6/ http://www.kame.net/ http://www.ipv6.nrl.navy.mil/ipv6+ipsec/ http://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/html/ Let me know if you're interested. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Could someone help this person?
by Russell Street 27 Jul '99

27 Jul '99

I don't know if this was sent to a lot of people or not, but am forwarding it to here because I don't have more than a rough idea about the answer. Russell ----- Forwarded message from Wdy ----- ~From woody(a)paradise.net.nz Tue Jul 27 08:19 NZS 1999 ~Message-ID: <000c01bed7a3$f224ed60$4a9460cb(a)woody> ~From: "Wdy" <woody(a)paradise.net.nz> ~To: <r.street(a)auckland.ac.nz> ~Subject: hi ~Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:17:54 +1200 [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] As an student I'm doing an assignment on the backbone structure available to New Zealand however I'm finding it hard to find any information the topic I have the data on the Gateway into NZ but there are surely more backbone structures than that network please have you any information on this topic any help would be greatly appreciated. thank you Alistair Wood --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ISP for sale in Australia/Sydney
by William W. Xin 27 Jul '99

27 Jul '99

An ISP located in Sydney for sale. Several thousand customers. Interested party please respond privately. Thanks. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Could someone help this person? -Reply -Reply
by Donald Neal 26 Jul '99

26 Jul '99

>>> "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> 29/July/1999 09:20am >>> >How about "The New Zealand Internet Backbone consists of multiple >interconnected STM-16 (2.5Gbit/s) SDH rings operated by CLEAR >Communications Ltd over their fibre-optic network, to which other >providers like Telecom NZ connect their legacy copper networks >at strategic points" Now, now. Let's keep INCIS out of this. [|:) - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Large Bolts of Electricity
by Joe Abley 20 Jul '99

20 Jul '99

Apparently of operational interest to at least one ISP in Auckland. http://www.patho.gen.nz/~jabley/MVC-103F.JPG Fifteen strikes this morning, apparently. We saw two of them clearly on the way to work this morning, and can confirm that they were Really Cool :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ns99.waikato.ac.nz not restarted
by Patrick O'Brien 16 Jul '99

16 Jul '99

Peter, Thanks. I've spoken with Waikato and they are investigating. I will update once I have more details. My regards, Patrick ************** -----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [SMTP:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 2:20 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: ns99.waikato.ac.nz not restarted Looks like DOMAINZ may have chosen not to restart ns99.waikato.ac.nz on Friday night. We have 23 names registered in Friday, which have yet to be delegated to our name servers. Anybody know anything about this. There is no after hours contact for them, so assume we have to wait until Monday to resolve. Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ns99.waikato.ac.nz not restarted
by Peter Mott 16 Jul '99

16 Jul '99

Looks like DOMAINZ may have chosen not to restart ns99.waikato.ac.nz on Friday night. We have 23 names registered in Friday, which have yet to be delegated to our name servers. Anybody know anything about this. There is no after hours contact for them, so assume we have to wait until Monday to resolve. Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Delegation of IPv6 address space
by Patrick O'Brien 14 Jul '99

14 Jul '99

FYI, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: IANA [SMTP:iana(a)isi.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 7:32 AM To: iana-announce(a)isi.edu Cc: 'iana' Subject: Delegation of IPv6 address space Internet Community, After much discussion concerning the policy guidelines for the deployment of IPv6 addresses, in addition to the years of technical development done throughout the Internet community, the IANA has delegated the initial IPv6 address space to the regional registries in order to begin immediate worldwide deployment of IPv6 addresses. We would like to thank the current Regional Internet Registries (RIR) for their invaluable work in the construction of the policy guidelines, which seem to have general consensus from the Internet community. We would also like to thank the efforts of the IETF community and the support of the IAB in making this effort a reality. If you have further questions concerning this issue, please contact your RIR, or you may also contact the IANA at iana(a)iana.org. The policy guidelines can be found online at one of the Regional Internet Registries: http://www.apnic.net http://www.arin.net http://www.ripe.net This is an historic moment in the continued development of the Internet. Thank you for your valuable support and participation in the Internet community. Josh Elliott On Behalf of the IANA Staff --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Job Vacancy
by Chris Wedgwood 08 Jul '99

08 Jul '99

Internet System Engineer: Compass Communications are a NZ owned and operated Telecommunications carrier who operate voice, fax, data and Internet networks. We are looking for a highly motivated person who can operate well in a small team of network specialists based in our Auckland office. Applicants should have a good knowledge of UNIX (squid, bind and sendmail), Cisco routers, network experience, and PC hardware. Experience with Windows networking and database's, TCP/IP and C programming would be advantageous. If you feel you have the skills required please forward your resume to: Network Operations Manager Compass Communications Ltd PO Box 2533 Auckland Or Email smccarthy(a)compass.net.nz http://www.compass.net.nz/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Can I get away with placing a Job Vacancy Add here?
by Chris Wedgwood 07 Jul '99

07 Jul '99

What do people think, can I get away with placing a job vacancy advertisement here? There doesn't appear to be anything in the "Acceptable Use Policy" that should prohibit this provided this be a technical network operators type add vacancy... Objections anyone? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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re: Networking Test
by Donald Neal 06 Jul '99

06 Jul '99

Oh, that article. I'm sorry, you were expecting insight? I must admit, I forced myself read the article since it was on a subject relevant to me, but found it content free. If this is not a usual occurrence for you Joe, can you tell me what news publications you sub_scribe to? Please? I do wonder if Graeme Rowe recognised the statements he made when he read the article afterwards. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 "We were taken to our hotel which was called "Construction by Fitzpatrick & Sons'" -- Spike Milligan --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Networking Test
by Warwick Glendenning 06 Jul '99

06 Jul '99

Joe Not sure what point you are trying to make? Don't the press use a lot of license anyway no matter what someone says. Or have I missed something ... Warwick -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)patho.gen.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 1999 23:46 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Networking Test Check this out: http://www.idg.co.nz/nzweb/e7b6.html and see how many mistakes you can spot. I make it 38040, not including grammatical errors. Is this a record? :) Favourite quote: "AT&T is a variation of what we're doing with IPNet and Lanlink," Rowe says. Al Gore has nothing on Telecom NZ :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Networking Test
by Joe Abley 06 Jul '99

06 Jul '99

Check this out: http://www.idg.co.nz/nzweb/e7b6.html and see how many mistakes you can spot. I make it 38040, not including grammatical errors. Is this a record? :) Favourite quote: "AT&T is a variation of what we're doing with IPNet and Lanlink," Rowe says. Al Gore has nothing on Telecom NZ :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 04 Jul '99

04 Jul '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had around ninety subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month. The non-working address j.houlker(a)waikato.ac.nz was recently removed from the list. John is very welcome to resubscribe with a working address.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APE Update
by Joe Abley 02 Jul '99

02 Jul '99

Hi all, Things have been rather quiet on all this stuff for a while, so I thought I'd have a go at inciting some discussion. First, on a practical note -- despite the vaguaries of slipping network provisioning timescales and a million other things that have conspired to prevent it, CLEAR's ethernet switch should be live on L48, Sky Tower, early next week (the installer is telling me "Tuesday"). As I think I've mentioned before, CLEAR is not installing routers at the APE, but is rather will remote connect two major border routers to other exchange participants' equipment using an ethernet switch in the tower, and a 155M ATM drop back to Symonds Street. As soon as the switch is live, people are more than welcome to arrange a connection to it (contact me). Second, I read Richard's APE announcement on this (and other lists), and saw the articles in ComputerWorld, and was a little concerned about the picture that was painted. It seems to me that the Auckland Peering Exchange is an initiative which involves: + network operators + bilateral agreements between those operators + a colocation site and facilitator + individual agreements between operators and that facilitator + some means of connecting the operators together in a network sense Citylink have offered one method of connecting operators together in the tower, in the from of a managed ethernet switch. However, some of the press about this ignores the first four points above, and presumes that Citylink == APE. I have also heard from some Auckland operators who are confused at the apparent transition of the APE from a cooperative proposal to a commercial operation run by a single provider (Citylink). Note that I'm not trying to bash Richard's effort in this area -- far from it, I think what Citylink are proposing (as usual) is good. However, I think it is important to appreciate that once operators have arranged colo with JDA, and have installed their equipment in the tower, they are free to connect to other providers by whatever means suits them. Citylink do not have a monopoly on connectivity on the 48th floor. Joe [Sent to ape-discuss mailing list; bcc'd to nznog -- to subscribe to ape-discuss send "subscribe ape-discuss" to majordomo(a)patho.gen.nz] --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mirrors
by Joe Abley 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

Hi all, I'm doing a bit of a review on some of the sites we're mirroring on ftp.clear.net.nz, in an attempt to keep the disk utilisation a little more under control. We're currently pulling down a bunch of things; the main disk-consumers are: ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD (4M without packages or 2.x) ftp.openbsd.org:/pub/OpenBSD (1M, 2.5 only) ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux (5M without "software" tree) ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat (5M without srpms, 5.2 + 6.0 only) ftp.debian.org:/debian (6M without potato) Now, it seems to me that there's little point in mirroring content if there are other people in NZ already doing it -- for example, if there was a good debian mirror somewhere else, I'd be happy to replace the CLEAR Net debian mirror with a text file which says "see ftp.xxxx.yy.nz for this mirror" if it meant I could pull something else down that wasn't already in the country (like NetBSD, which was there but which I removed to make space for everything else). So, here's the question: does anybody know of other locations in NZ where the archives above are already mirrored? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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0867 dial plans - Telecom and the Internet
by Roger De Salis 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

Subject: [ISOCNZ-COUNCIL] Telecom Update Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:23:19 +1200 From: "Sue Leader" <netwoman(a)one2one.co.nz> Reply-To: Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz CC: isocnz-members(a)isocnz.org.nz Greetings all You may remember that ISOCNZ was waiting until we met with Telecom representatives and got some core questions answered before taking a position on the Internet Access Pricing Changes/0867 number introduction. After a series of delays Telecom managed to get the right group of people together at the same time and place, and the ISOCNZ delegation met with those representatives on last Friday (June 25). The meeting was productive, with answers being provided to almost all our questions. In addition, ISOCNZ was able to negotiate some favorable outcomes for our stakeholders. So why the delay in letting you know? Telecom undertook to supplement our notes of the meeting with written responses by close of day yesterday (Tuesday 29). As soon as these arrive we will make them available on the web-site. In the meantime we have decided to publish the written questions which ISOCNZ provided to Telecom on June 13 - fifteen days before the meeting. These questions were compiled from questions supplied by our stakeholders, primarily via the isocnz-l list. As the timeframe dragged out, the Council took the opportunity to refine the questions into subject groupings which would allow the topics to be more easily covered during the space of the meeting. Telecom had these questions several days in advance, as well as the original list of 33 questions. Both sets of questions are linked from: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/issues.html On a happier note - the Media Releases page has been updated recently and includes information on the appointment of two NZers to International Internet Governance Bodies - Peter Dengate Thrush and Andy Linton. The media didn't really pick up on this story and I felt we needed to celebrate their achievements - to read all about it - please reload the Media Releases page at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/pressrels.html Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "ERROR 406: file corrupt: config.earth -- reboot universe? (Y/N)" -- All information contained in this message is confidential to members of the ISOCNZ Council -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[bmanning@ISI.EDU: DEW #3 - 48 hours]
by Joe Abley 28 Jun '99

28 Jun '99

----- Forwarded message from bmanning(a)ISI.EDU ----- Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu From: bmanning(a)ISI.EDU Posted-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DEW #3 - 48 hours To: those-concerned-with-operational-integrity(a)ISI.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bmanning(a)ISI.EDU X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0] Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu X-Loop: nanog Hi, I appologize for duplicates. Its almost time for the next quarterly walk of the inverse tree of the DNS. For the last few quarters, I've been walking the in-addr tree looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. The expectation is that they will be the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 Past data is at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html The run is scheduled to start 01 July 1999 @ 00:01 UTC. If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. -- bill manning 310.822.1511 ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ operators address book
by Joe Abley 23 Jun '99

23 Jun '99

I have thrown something up to get the ball rolling. It's pretty cheap and nasty, be warned :) http://www.patho.gen.nz/nznog/contact.html You will need a username and password to get in, since the idea is that this address book has personal contact details rather than generic helpdesky ones where possible. Mail me with a username and password, and I'll set you up. Additionally, you might like to send me contact details (name, e-mail, phone, fax where available/appropriate) for the following categories: o Usenet o Abuse (annoying) o Abuse (panic) o Routing anomolies o BGP filter updates o Network peering o Cache peering o Cables cut o Building access o Policy There's also a "Notes" category for other misc info (the CLEAR entry has "Route policy in RADB" there). Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Y2K stuff.
by Roger De Salis 22 Jun '99

22 Jun '99

I've received an approach from a Malaysian ISP, wishing to contact their NZ equivalents, as the clocks turnover to '00. I would guess there there will be others, who are interested in how NZ is faring, and potentially use the 6, or 8, or 17 hours of leeway they have productively in the event of some unforeseen problem. I would rather not have the entire worlds ISP support staff phone their counterparts in NZ to enquire "How it going?". Given the fact many of them will simply want to silently observe that there is no problem, what is the best way to go about this? Let them subscribe to the nog? Form a special NOG for the brown-out period 11/99-1/00? Suggest that no-one in NZ really cares about the rest of the world, and they can all....... Appoint Peter Mott as a Y2K spokesman? and direct all enquiries to him? Any one any other suggestions? Many Thanks. Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Y2K stuff.
by Robert Gray 22 Jun '99

22 Jun '99

Roger wrote, > Given the fact many of them will simply want to silently > observe that there is no problem, what is the best way > to go about this? The Y2K Commisiion wish to do just this on their web site, we are working with them on ways to minimise the probability of down time (basically geograpic dispersal and minimum dependence on proprietary code). Give me a call and I'll put you in touch.... Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Contact Numbers [was: Y2K stuff]
by Robert Gray 22 Jun '99

22 Jun '99

>Just an idea -- any comments? Good scheme Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Naylor [mailto:richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 1999 18:08 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: jabley(a)clear.co.nz Subject: Re: Contact Numbers [was: Y2K stuff] At 04:44 pm 22/06/99 +1200, Joe Abley wrote: >On a more tedious, on-topic note, is anybody else interested in keeping >a central repository of contact e-mail addresses and phone numbers for >NZ net ops? Not for consumption by the general public, but maybe stuck >on a web page somewhere behind a crude password? > Yes - I'm keen. My black book is falling to pieces..... >I was thinking in terms of contacts for categories, like: > > + usenet feed-tweaking > + abuse notification > + routing strangeness > + network peering > + proxy peering + cables cut + bills not paid + stuffed routers >The idea is to provide a list of second-tier and third-tier support >to our counterparts in other providers, so that we don't end up having >to do battle with the helpdesk IVR at 3am when something nasty just >happened. > >Just an idea -- any comments? > You mean you don't like me phoning you cos yours is the only cell phone number in Clear I have ? Maybe thats why all the others don't give me numbers ........ Actually I have a page for the members of WIX and will do something similar for APE. rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Make an us an offer we can't refuse
by Andy Linton 21 Jun '99

21 Jun '99

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BGP filtering
by Joe Abley 08 Jun '99

08 Jun '99

Hi all, CLEAR publishes its routing policy in the RADB. Just out of interest, do any of our peers pull our policy from there in order to build filter lists? If so, how often do you do it? I ask because it seems that some of our advertisements are not being accepted by some peers; naturally the games players have been the first ones to notice and point this out :) If anybody would like a pre-built, up-to-date filter list for cisco routers (for advertisements from AS4768 routers only), please drop me a line. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Facility available for APE
by Richard Naylor 08 Jun '99

08 Jun '99

CityLink would like to announce the availability of a peering facility on Level 48 of the Sky Tower in Auckland. This will be a neutral peering facility using an ethernet switch supported with a local unix box and UPS. The unix box will run mrtg for traffic statistics and NOCMON for port monitoring. Statistics will be available to peering users on their ports only on application. Users will be able to establish bilateral peering arrangements or in conjunction with users, we will establish a unilateral peering facility. The unix box will also offer a route server and reflector along with an AS number for users who may not currently have an AS of their own. CityLink will also operate an independent (pre-CIDR) address space for users to use for unilateral peering. The facility will be managed from Wellington using CityLink's established 24x7 support facility. Local hands on support will be sub-contracted to a local supplier. Access to the facility is available for a connection fee of $750.00 + GST and a monthly support fee of $62.50. Customer ports will be restricted to a limited number of MAC addresses to ensure some degree of security between customers. CityLink is a Network Operator based in Wellington with a large IP network based on a 40km fiber cable network. It operates the neutral Wellington Internet Exchange with approximately 12 connected Internet Service Providers. Its network has approximately 20 switches installed in a distributed switching fabric. Q1 - Why are you doing this ? CityLink has experience in neutral switching and IX operations in high bandwidth applications. CityLink operates a MAC based metropolitan area network with multiple ISPs Q2. Will there be a link between the Wellington IX and APE ? The ISP community provides this connectivity at the present time. It is not expected that CityLink will provide this facility. Q3. Does this mean that CityLink will be operating a network in Auckland ? No. We see that we can add value and experience in operating a neutral exchange in Auckland. Q4 - Aren't you scared of heights ? 48 Floors ? YES. Power poles ? No. Q5 - What will be there ? A 6 foot rack with nice gear in it. At this stage the rack has a UPS and Unix box and a small switch. The switch will grow as traffic and port requirements demand. Q6 - Where will spares be held ? Spare and hardware service will be provided locally in Auckland. Q7 - I want to join - How do I get signed up or find out more ? Send email to info(a)citylink.co.nz or phone 04-917-0200 Q8 - When will the service be live ? We expect to be installed and operating by 20 June 1999. Q9 - What sort of switch will be in APE ? At this stage we have a Cisco ethernet switch in the cabinet. We are talking with other suppliers about what options are available. Our experience is that we often grow a switch capacity as demand rises. We have a number of switches in Wellington and swap them out as the port count requires. (we have yet to see a bandwidth limitation) Q10 - Why are you charging ? We are charging on a simple cost recovery basis. We feel that if the peering point is free then it is abused. If a charge is levied then users will appreciate that management is applied to the exchange. CityLink is not a huge organisation and needs to recover some of its costs. The costs mentioned above should not be a barrier to likely user organisations. [ends] richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DNS issues. BIND 8.2
by dylan＠ihug.co.nz 03 Jun '99

03 Jun '99

After much to-ing and fro-ing we are coming to the end of our collective teathers. Since Sunday morning (last Sunday) morning at around 8am we have been having an odd problem with our primary nameserver, ns1.ihug.net.nz (203.29.160.4). It goes something like this, nameserver is doing it's thing happily, when for no apparent reason it just stops responding to named requests for a short time and then a while later starts going again. For obvious reasons this is a major problem. And we can find nothing that is causing this. The symptoms: o Server stops responding to named queries. o At one stage it appeared that when constantly pinging it the TTL would change from 64 to 255 for the exact same duration that the nameserver was affected. I am unable to confirm that this is still the case. o The outages appear to be for exactly 2 or 3 minutes to the seccond. (Maybe other durations?) o At the same time this is happening we are getting "Possible syn flood" messages from various IP addresses (they don't seem to be related). It is my understanding that at about the same time (Sunday) that CLEAR, Waikato and possible Telecom/Xtra had a similar problems (I am not sure where this information comes from or how accurate it is), but are no longer. What we have done: o We swapped our nameservers around, this seems to solve the problem however, it affects our practical ability to control zones etc... o New software installations. The box affected had recently been rebuilt before the incident, and we did not suspect it was a software issue, but rebuilt anyhow. It has affected both Slackware and Debian installations with BIND 8.1.2 and BIND 8.2. Conclusions: o It only occurs when then machine is on 203.29.160.4 and is acting as a master. It does not affect slaves on that IP and does not affect masters on another IP. o Hardware is not a fault - We have used more than one physical machine. The effects did not change. o It appears the the nameserver itself stops during that time. Incoming traffic still reaches the box, but none goes out. Also for the duration there seems to be no nameserver logging. Short completely changing our nameserver infrastrucure we are at a loss as to what we can do. Probable solutions: o None - Goddammit! Any ideas? Dylan Reeve DDI: +64 9 359-2746 Assistant DNS Admin Fax: +64 9 358-5134 ihug business Freecall: 0800 847-638 http://www.ihug.co.nz/ Email: dylan(a)ihug.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DEW alert
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 31 May '99

31 May '99

Hi, I appologize for duplicates. Its almost time for the next quarterly walk of the inverse tree of the DNS. For the last few quarters, I've been walking the in-addr tree looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. The expectation is that they will be the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 Past data is at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html The run is scheduled to start 01 July 1999. If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. -- bill --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Auckland Peering Exchange
by Joe Abley 31 May '99

31 May '99

Hi, The state of play would seem to be as follows: o CLEAR's provisioning people tell me that our racks will be complete (and our transmission network between Symonds Street and the Tower will be tested and ready for service) by the end of next week. o CLEAR will have 24 ports of 10baseT available as soon as everything else is ready, and we're happy to donate ports to other providers in the interests of getting things up and running. These ports will be physically in one of the CLEAR cabinets on L48, but we can run copper to other cabinets on request. o I'm hoping to have a stratum-1 (well, GPS-fed) NTP source installed in the tower some time relatively soon, which exchange participants will be most welcome to chime off. o Sky have at least one community cabinet available now on L48. o I have had two offers of donated ethernet switches. o I have had one offer of exchange management. My nosey enquiries seem to suggest that there are at least six or so providers who are in the closing stages of organising a presence in the Tower (or who already have one). There are issues to discuss, including: o Numbering; o Suitability of any particular vendors' offered free switches; o Are we happy to have multiple switches, owned/operated by different organisations, all bridged together to form the exchange media? o Suitability of any particular organisation's offered exchange management; o Exchange acceptable-use guidelines. To avoid cluttering the NZNOG list with matters specific to the APE (and in accordance with the current vogue in list proliferation), I have created a couple of APE-specific mailing lists: ape-discuss ape-announce To subscribe, send a message containing the line subscribe listname to listmanager(a)patho.gen.nz, cleverly substituting the list name for "listname". Archives are available by e-mail and on the web at http://www.patho.gen.nz/list/ If these lists aren't of any use (and/or people prefer to use the NZNOG list for this) that's fine, I'll remove them. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 May '99

31 May '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had over eighty subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Annoying email addresses
by Michael Newbery 30 May '99

30 May '99

-- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 >>> "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.com> - 31/5/99 10:57 AM >>> >Does anybody know of the use of an ampersand character in an e-mail address >is accepted as ok? > >him&her(a)isp.com > >I would have thought it quite bad form, but these larger free email services >seem to allow almost anything ascii in an email address these days. The >only reason I have a problem is I have a script somewhere in my world of >technology that does not like them, and being Monday morning, I cant find it No sympathy I'm afraid. From RFC822: address = mailbox ; one addressee / group ; named list mailbox = addr-spec ; simple address / phrase route-addr ; name & addr-spec addr-spec = local-part "@" domain ; global address local-part = word *("." word) ; uninterpreted ; case-preserved word = atom / quoted-string atom = 1*<any CHAR except specials, SPACE and CTLs> CHAR = <any ASCII character> ; ( 0-177, 0.-127.) specials = "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" ; Must be in quoted- / "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> ; string, to use / "." / "[" / "]" ; within a word. Ampersand is not a 'special', so it's quite legal. When you find your script I hope you'll make sure it also copes with something . (note the white space and the comment (comments can nest) between the atoms) like-this* . "Is quite legal #@!!" @ liberals.are.us :-) The good news is that when you get down to it, it's very easy to write a parser for rfc822, if you base it on the production rules. BTW, pp 30-31 of RFC821 do not narrow the definition of address. In fact, rfc821/rfc822 are TOO restrictive, predating as they do UNICODE. There is no way to include non-Roman, or indeed accented characters, in an address, and no extension mechanism akin to HTML's %nn. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Annoying email addresses -Reply
by Donald Neal 30 May '99

30 May '99

>>> "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.com> 31/May/1999 10:57am >>> >Does anybody know of the use of an ampersand character in an e-mail >address >is accepted as ok? >him&her(a)isp.com Well, RFC821 says that "the mail data includes the memo header items such as Date, Subject, To, Cc, From" and that "The mail data may contain any of the 128 ASCII characters." - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers
by david＠farrar.com 30 May '99

30 May '99

On Thu, 27 May 1999 11:36:22 +1200, Peter Mott wrote: >> I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing >> so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, >> Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they >> didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. > >We have a different view on what consultation is. FWIW in hindsight I believe there would have been merit in posting something on say nznog asking for feedback. Perhaps one of the things we can look at is"recognising" nznog as something which should form part of a consultation process on relevant issues. Of course nznog may not want this and might prefer say isocnz-l or isocnz-announce is used for all consultations on these sort of issues. I'll forward this post to nznog (not cross-post) for their interest. But having recognised consultation could be better, let me say nothing is cast in stone. ISOCNZ Council agreed to stop the situation where anyone at all could do zone transfers, but also recognised that certain people or groups would have legitimate grounds for access. Now that leaves enough flexibility to have a very liberal or very tight "access" policy. You have most of the ISOCNZ Technical Cmte on this list and I'm sure that if there is a widespread consensus on what is desirable, agreement can be reached. A point I'll make is ISOCNZ does have some obligations in terms of legal responsibilities as "custodian" which have to be considered. > > I have since been seconded onto ISOCNZ council to fill the vacancy left >> by Peter Mott's resignation and am now on that committee. The tech >> committee have the task of looking at closing of the zone transfer >> holes. This is not cast in stone and could be changed if valid reasons >> can be produced. > > David Farrer said a decision had already been made to disallow XFRS. Can >we get the story straight please? The decision was to stop anyone at all doing transfers. I don't think there is much disagreement that an open slather let anyone grab it and possibly spam with it scenario is desirable to continue. It was recognised some people would still have a need to do transfers. As for how stringent or liberal the policy is, could I pose a number of policy scenarios which may help people focus on what they consider desirable. Now I am not great on all the technical side so I hope I have captured this correctly. a) Status Quo - where anyone at all can do a transfer with no restriction b) No automatic transfers are possible but any *.nz name holder can ask for a zone transfer as long as they promise not to spam. Of course they may give it to others who do with no way to check this. c) Any NZ ISP (and how do we define that) may get a copy of the zone data. Perhaps with an agreement not to spam, on sell etc d) No automatic right of access but any person or group can ask for access, specifying the intended purpose of the data. DOMAINZ to decide which requests are accepted based on criteria set by ISOCNZ (which could come from this group). Note any info about why it is wanted which is given to DOMAINZ would be confidential and not to be publicised e) No access at all except to secondaries (ie those who *need* rather than *want* it Now I'm sure there are many more combinations but hopefully that gets much of it. Feedback on which option is desirable is welcome. Someone raised why ISOCNZ is involved at all. Well simply ISOCNZ has the *duty* on behalf of the Internet Community to be the custodian (for lack of a better word) of the *.nz DNS and associated data. As part of that role it does need to consider implications of what it does with the data. We do have a Privacy Act which few other countries have and we do need to be careful that if ever challenged on what our policies are to do with data we have collected, we can demonstrate that issues have been thought through in a considered manner. I realise the zone data itself may not be relevant to the privacy act, but that it *unlocks* other data may be an issue. Who knows at some stage we may have to spend some money on a legal opinion on our obligations. Speaking for me personally I have no firm view on how liberal or stringent access to the zone files should be (except I strongly support removing open slather access) and am inclined to be supportive of any consensus position reached by a group representative of the industry. DPF --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone running mail on Solaris 2.6 with tcp timestamps tunerd on?
by Chris Wedgwood 27 May '99

27 May '99

Is there anyone out there running using Solaris 2.6 with tcp timestamps turned on for mail? If so, would they mind letting me hit them with some test messages, maybe a hundred or so short messages? I'm trying to track down some funnies and want to be sure of things before I start blaming Solaris again :) -Chris --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers
by Andy Linton 27 May '99

27 May '99

2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > > >I haven't yet got the draft minutes but my recollection of the ISOCNZ > >Council meeting on Friday is that the consensus was to do exactly that > >- for reasons of both privacy act considerations and anti-spamming. > > Yet another example of ISOCNZ making decisions without consulting industry. > Extremely bad form. I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. I have since been seconded onto ISOCNZ council to fill the vacancy left by Peter Mott's resignation and am now on that committee. The tech committee have the task of looking at closing of the zone transfer holes. This is not cast in stone and could be changed if valid reasons can be produced. I'd also note some data points: 1) The root nameservers have had open transfers turned off. 2) The Domainz RFI for the management of the DNS indicates that in the near future the primary and secondary servers will be operated by Domainz. The organisations that host the secondary servers will not have administrative control over them so Joe's recent example where Clear and Xtra currently have access to the zone file data will not hold in the future. 3) Mark Davies' web pages which list the NZ domain names will disappear in their current form. I'd like people to put their cards on the table and say why they want access to the complete zone files. That would help us understand if there are valid reasons for leaving the transfers open. I also believe this discussion belongs on the NZNOG list. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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International Internet changing regimes
by Frank March 27 May '99

27 May '99

A further note on developments in this very occasional series. I have available a copy of the report of a meeting of the Rapporteur Group on International Network Cost Components for the Internet (part of the ITU, and published in the ITU Telecommunications Standardisation Sector newsletter COM 3-R 17-E March 1999). There seems to be some overlap in membership between this group and the APEC TEL activities. The meeting was in Sydney 22,23 September 1998 and covers work by a study group with the following terms of reference: -identify the international network components for the Internet which reside within the GII framework; -determine cost issues; and -if considered appropriate, to propose a set of principles on the equitable cost compensation between international circuit providers. The group notes that "it is not, at this time, in a position to propose a preferred set of principles" and further work is proposed. I will fax a copy (11 pages) to anyone sending me a number. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ICANN document of interest
by Andy Linton 27 May '99

27 May '99

http://www.icann.org/tld-deleg-prac.html NEW: Statement of IANA TLD Delegation Practices IMPORTANT NOTICE. The following document is being posted for the information of the Internet community. It contains a statement of the current policies being followed by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) in administering delegations of Top Level Domain Names of the Internet Domain Names System (DNS). At a future date, the ICANN Board may consider changes to these policies and will, at such time, notice proposed changes for public comment in accordance with the ICANN Bylaws. Comments on this document are welcome and should be directed to comments(a)icann.org. -- Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: Delivery failure (registry-discuss@2day.com)]
by Andy Linton 26 May '99

26 May '99

> Subject: Re: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:13:40 +0000 > From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> > Organization: Netlink, Wellington > To: registry-discuss(a)2day.com > > 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > > > > > I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing > > > so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, > > > Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they > > > didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. > > > > We have a different view on what consultation is. > > Just because you aren't included in a discussion, it doesn't mean there > hasn't been one. > > > > > > I have since been seconded onto ISOCNZ council to fill the vacancy left > > > by Peter Mott's resignation and am now on that committee. The tech > > > committee have the task of looking at closing of the zone transfer > > > holes. This is not cast in stone and could be changed if valid reasons > > > can be produced. > > > > David Farrer said a decision had already been made to disallow XFRS. Can > > we get the story straight please? > > > > Read my posting - I'm asking for reasons why this should be changed and > all I'm hearing is whinging about how unreponsive ISCONZ are. > > > p.s. If you took up my vacancy, you would be on the education and research > > subcommittee. > > Nope! I'm on the commitee that's most appropriate for my background and > experience. -- Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Zone transfers from .nz name servers
by Robert Gray 26 May '99

26 May '99

>I'm still waiting for a reasoned argument from Peter about this issue. I've spoken to Peter about the zone transfers and he has told me why he wants the ability to do them. I would like to say that: a) the use he makes of it (IMHO) breaches no privacy nor has any other concern and b) it _is_ commercially sensitive - I certainly would not tell too many people unless I wanted competition. There's a conundrum then. Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Restricting axfr's from ns99.waikato.ac.nz
by Chris Wedgwood 26 May '99

26 May '99

Without wishing to step into the flames, has anyone considered it may already be too _late_ to stop people form generating a list of all .nz domains? Right now, I'm sure plenty of people have copies on the .nz zone files (for various reasons), and they probably update these fairly often. Even if this information is made unavailable to the public at large, people can just check (daily) the Domainz Pending Activity page and produce deltas from that... I just verified that this is indeed possible with a little script that took no more than 5 minutes or so to get going... -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Fw: Welcome
by Andy Linton 26 May '99

26 May '99

2Day Operations wrote: > > Date: Thursday, 27 May 1999 11:29 > Subject: Welcome > > >Welcome to the registry-discuss list provided by 2Day Internet Ltd > > > >PURPOSE > > > >This list is provided for discussion of commercial and > >technical issues associated with changes to the .nz > >domain name registration service advised by DOMAINZ on > >Tuesday 18 May 1999. > > > >INVITATION > > > >Any person or organisation with a commercial interest > >in this topic is invited to participate. > > > >ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY > > > >Without wishing to restrict the free flow of ideas and > >information, the list owner (2Day Internet Limited) > >requires that:- > > > > > >a) Messages posted to this list are NOT posted to any > > other list or news group at the same time. > > Looks like I'm breach of Peter's acceptable use policy so I'd better be unsubscribed from 'registry-discuss' I'll be talking about this on the NZNOG list from now on. Join me there if you want a list where who you post to is not dictated to by the list owner. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers]
by Roger De Salis 26 May '99

26 May '99

2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: |> |> >I haven't yet got the draft minutes but my recollection of the |> >ISOCNZ Council meeting on Friday is that the consensus was to |> > do exactly that |> >- for reasons of both privacy act considerations and anti-spamming. |> |> Yet another example of ISOCNZ making decisions without consulting |> industry. Extremely bad form. | | I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing | so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, | Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they | didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. ===================================================================== Exactly 10 days ago, I did send out an email to the ISOCNZ council, plus Andy and Joe, with proposal to possibly restrict zone transfers. The sequence was:- 1/ Put an inital proposal to the council plus others to ensure that the technical proposal was sound, and find out if there were i) raving objections, ii) muted dissent iii) muted assent iv) other. 2/ Post the corrected proposal to the NOG for comment. 3/ Assemble and Post feedback to the NOG, and come to a acceptable consensus. Unfortunately real work interfered with this timetable. This email represents step 2. The proposal was informally discussed at the last council meeting, which I was not able to fully attend. Here is the proposal in full, as it was sent out earlier. I remind interested parties that this is a PROPOSAL. Thoughtful comment, dissent and wisely worded counter propoosals will all be thoroughly considered. Here is the proposal as originally sent out. ======================================================================== PROPOSAL:- The caretaker of the registry has been concerned for sometime about the ability to do a complete download of the zone files, and then trawl them for useful information. Typically why people do this is to keep score, and we have no evidence that people have used this information for malicious purposes thus far. But the information does contain personal information, which it must do to permit network operators to rightfully go about their business, and brilliant efforts to keep the internet running. It also potentially offers plenty of SPAM potential. If whole downloads were restricted, but reasonable queries of a moderate length we allowed, and a working who-is was on line, and there was an ability to run reasonable global queries (eg no of domains by provider etc etc), is a restriction on possible global downloads reasonable. A positive suggestion here is that global downloads continue to be permitted, but the receiver must authenticate themselves, so reasonable use can be estimated. A parallel example is Cisco's shipping database. You have query access (via login) to any information, but you need a valid number to be able to extract the single event. There is no way to get the whole of shipping details at that second. But in theory it is all there. The proposal is therefore to propose some minor technical changes with an eye on the Privacy requirements, but ensure that sufficiently useful access and information exists to permit the nog to do their job. I would be most interested to collect opinions about positive technical suggestions, leave it the way it is, or make these suggested changes. Rgds Roger De Salis ====================================================== Joe's comments came back as:- (and appear to me to be eminently reasonable. I hope he will not mind me re-publishing.) For the record, it's only ns99 and rata that currently permit zone transfers; none of the others do. A good compromise might be to restrict zone transfers from ns99 to "all authoritative servers plus authorised hosts" to allow people like Peter to continue to pull the data, without having to mess about with ftp. Domainz could authorise hosts as they saw fit (I would expect the authorisation policy to be fairly non-restrictive). The driver for doing this, remember, is to prevent the unscrupulous walking the DNS, enumerating domain names for the purposes of evil spam; it's not to stop record harvesting for the purposes of generating statistics. This is just for ns99 -- I would expect other authoritative servers to deny transfers from _anybody_. Maintaining a current transfer access list on every secondary is unnecessary. Being overly restrictive on this issue could be problematic anyway; for example CLEAR and Xtra have access to the zone files since they operate authoritative nameservers for the benefit of the community. It would be bizarre if other providers were denied access to the same information simply because they're small (or focused on niche services). Joe ================================================================ -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes.

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.nz Secondary -- Victoria University upgrading Bind to 8.2
by Patrick O'Brien 25 May '99

25 May '99

NZNOG'ers, FYI, Victoria University are in the process of upgrading the .nz Secondary from Bind 4.9(ish) to 8.2. In doing so, they will be restricting zone transfers to the Primary and Secondary .nz zone machines. Richard Stevenson is the contact, at Victoria My regards, PATRICK J O'BRIEN Fax: (04) 473-4569 Voice: (04) 473-4567 Mail: P.O.BRIEN(a)DOMAINZ.NET.NZ Web: http://www.DOMAINZ.NET.NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Roger Hicks' email address
by Frank March 24 May '99

24 May '99

Folks: Off topic; unless the intention is to offer Roger a beer, I suppose, but does anyone know what his address is these days? Apparently his old Clear address is no longer operational. I would appreciate any assistance. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nz.org.isocnz newsfeed to tardis.patho.gen.nz
by Joe Abley 21 May '99

21 May '99

Hello people, Is anybody able to set up a tiny newsfeed to tardis.patho.gen.nz (203.97.2.226), feeding only nz.org.isocnz? Tardis won't be originating any messages. Path entry tardis.patho.gen.nz. Many thanks in giddy anticipation :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: (Fwd) Class C]
by Roger De Salis 19 May '99

19 May '99

-- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes.

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[Fwd: (Fwd) Class C] -Reply
by Brett Telfer 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi, This address is part of the 210.55.x.x blocks being advertised by NetGate. I have passed on the message to Don (contactable at nic(a)netgate.net.nz), and he will be contacting Wayne directly to help sort this out. Regards BT >>> Roger De Salis <rdesalis(a)cisco.com> 20/May/1999 01:15pm >>> -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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