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RE: [nznog] Has the physical infrastructure for the "advancednetwork"been built?
by Donald Neal 17 Mar '04

17 Mar '04

This thread looks like the sort of thing you get when people don't go to the NZNOG conference and ask the people who are doing things. :{)* http://www.uniforum.org.nz/newsletters/2002_December#nginz may give the flavour. - Donald Neal Donald Neal | "I suspect most samba Technical Specialist | developers are already Operations Engineering | technically insane. Of course, Integration & Services Divn. | since many of them are Alcatel NZ Ltd | Australians you can't tell." All opinions mine only. | - Linus Torvalds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Registry scam from DRoA
by Gavin Palmer 17 Mar '04

17 Mar '04

Hiya All Thought I would give a heads up about that Domain Registry of America registration scam that's been going around for a while, I received a "Domain Name Expiration Notice" this morning about a .com domain we don't own asking for renewal and giving the option to register a .net and .org. I'm sure you are all already aware of the scam but I hadn't actually seen an example locally, till now. They might start doing the rounds...? Cheers Gav

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RE: [nznog] Has the physical infrastructure for the "advancednetwork"been built?
by Regan Murphy 16 Mar '04

16 Mar '04

> From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > > Dan Clark wrote: > > > Hey Guys, > > I think this is Cisco's official word on it, kinda > exciting stuff > > really... > > > http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/global/asiapac/news/2003/pr_12-30.html > > That's just a campus network, isn't it? The Herald article > talks about linking the various NZ unis together with a > gigabit network. I assume Internet2 is the advanced network they are talking about hooking in to on an international level. You can read all about Internet2 here http://www.internet2.edu/ Infrastructure-wise I would expect there to be fibre to a number of universities and other institutions so technically it should be achievable. I guess renting some fibres would be where the "tens of millions of dollars" comes in and it would be an ongoing cost... -- Regan

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Dell PowerConnect 3324/3348 switches.
by Simon Lyall 16 Mar '04

16 Mar '04

Has anyone has had some good/bad experiences with these, especially compared to Cisco 2950 and similar? Most of the reviews seem fairly positive [1] , I'm looking at simply running a few boxes on 100Mb/s with a trunk or two, nothing fancy (though if you've played around with the cute features I'd be interested). The price seems pretty good. Email me direct and I can summarize if people want. [1] http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/10/24/42TCdell_1.html -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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Non University Capture Point
by Perry Lorier 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

The WAND group is a network research group within the University of Waikato. Our research interests include simulation and measurement of computer networks. As part of our research we are working on building more up to date models of various traffic patterns, however we are hampered because our current capture points do not cover some of the more interesting traffic types. In particular we're interested in packet traces of peer to peer traffic and gaming traffic for creating simulation models. Unfortunately for us P2P and gaming traffic on the Waikato University campus are actively "discouraged". We are also interested in how traffic in the "Real World" compares to traffic we see within a university network. WAND are interested in partnering with a New Zealand ISP to do analysis of their network. WAND can provide the hardware and the support to perform the traces, and can provide analysis of the captured traffic. If you are interested, please reply to me off list. -- Perry Lorier Research Programmer / WAND Network Research Group / Waikato University

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RE: [nznog] airnote.co.nz dead and burried ?
by Will Steele 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

the emails still going there are probably on spammers lists.... 97% of it will probably be spam... and who really wants spam going to their cellphones? :) >From: Simon Byrnand <simon(a)igrin.co.nz> >To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: [nznog] airnote.co.nz dead and burried ? >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:35:37 +1300 > >Hi All, > >Does anyone know what the story is with the email domain airnote.co.nz ? > >I seem to remember that a few years ago it was a domain run by Telecom that >you could register for an email address for your 025 mobile and it would >forward email to your mobile. > >However for at least the last year (perhaps more) the designated mail >exchanger (which seems to be overseas) has refused connections, thus >causing any message to that domain to be retried for 5 days and then time >out. Trying to go to www.airnote.co.nz now redirects you to some other >Telecom page about "Yabba". (What does THAT have to do with the old airnote >site ? :) > >Anyone else notice stuff for this domain retrying in their outgoing queue >all the time ? It was a fairly well known and used domain at one point... > >If email for that domain really is dead and burried, perhaps someone in >charge of it might think to change the records so that everyones >mailservers don't waste 5 days trying to deliver messages there all the >time....(and yes we get quite a few messages addressed @airnote.co.nz even >now, don't ask me why :) > >Regards, >Simon Byrnand >iGRIN Internet > >_______________________________________________ >NZNOG mailing list >NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Watch movie trailers online with the Xtra Broadband Channel http://xtra.co.nz/broadband

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airnote.co.nz dead and burried ?
by Simon Byrnand 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

Hi All, Does anyone know what the story is with the email domain airnote.co.nz ? I seem to remember that a few years ago it was a domain run by Telecom that you could register for an email address for your 025 mobile and it would forward email to your mobile. However for at least the last year (perhaps more) the designated mail exchanger (which seems to be overseas) has refused connections, thus causing any message to that domain to be retried for 5 days and then time out. Trying to go to www.airnote.co.nz now redirects you to some other Telecom page about "Yabba". (What does THAT have to do with the old airnote site ? :) Anyone else notice stuff for this domain retrying in their outgoing queue all the time ? It was a fairly well known and used domain at one point... If email for that domain really is dead and burried, perhaps someone in charge of it might think to change the records so that everyones mailservers don't waste 5 days trying to deliver messages there all the time....(and yes we get quite a few messages addressed @airnote.co.nz even now, don't ask me why :) Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet

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Organising the Next NZNOG Conference
by Donald Neal 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

People, As discussed at the conference, a committee is being called into existence to ensure that the next NZNOG conference happens. Unless I hear back from anyone else RSN, that committee will consist of: Joe Abley Jamie Curtis Neil Fenemor Daniel Griggs Peter Komisarczuk Simon Lyall Tony McGregor Lin Nah Nathan Ward Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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NZ BBS Community
by Nick MacKechnie (thenet) 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

At a risk of being flamed... Any of you old timers who are interested - http://www.thenet.gen.nz/bbs Appologies for the spam... Nick

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (2004-03-10)
by Craig Whitmore 09 Mar '04

09 Mar '04

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) nationally, please update your prefix lists with the following networks (also in attached file). Added: ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.127.8.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 203.97.44.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 203.97.66.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 218.101.56.0/24 Thanks Craig Whitmore Systems Administrator Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Checkpoint Software
by Tim John - Domainz 07 Mar '04

07 Mar '04

Hi all, We currently have a number of firewalls that use CheckPoint version 4.1. I'm trying to do some stuff on them that requires version 4.12. Unfortunately, this isn't available for download anymore (from CheckPoint) and although the firewalls were under maintenance a few years ago (when version 4.12 was released), we are unable to obtain it now. The latest version 'NG' is available for plenty of $$$$ !! Has anyone got a copy archived away someplace, or can someone point me to location where it can be downloaded ? Thanks in advance ... Tim

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Re: [nznog] NZ BBS Community
by Dan Clark 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

my appolagies for my previous comments, kind of came out the wrong way. Kind Regards Dan Clark

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TelstraClear IP.Express Auckland
by Matthew G Brown 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

Does anyone know the availability if Telstra Clear Private IP.Express in Auckland? Have client wanting dedicated access between ChCh and Auckland offices @ between 256k and 512k Best Regards Matt Brown Managing Director Data Sanctuary Internet Backup & B & R Holdings LTD Nelson, New Zealand mailto: matt.brown(a)datasanctuary.co.nz http://www.datasanctuary.co.nz MSN: Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz DDI: (03) 544 9116 MOB: 027 4807731 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.610 / Virus Database: 390 - Release Date: 3/3/2004

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RE: [nznog] OT: Dunedin broadband
by Gavin Palmer 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

Potential user is in the Broad Bay area... -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Dean [mailto:jon.dean(a)simplicity.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 2004 6:01 p.m. To: gavinp(a)softtech.co.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] OT: Dunedin broadband On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 16:05, Gavin Palmer wrote: > Hiya All > > Please forgive the OT post... > > If anyone can offer a broadband internet connection of some kind to a > home user out in the Dunedin wops would you please contact me off > list? Jetstream or Wireless is not available (according to Xtra), is > there anything other than satellite out there? > > Thanx in advance > Gav Hi Gavin, Could you give a little more information specifying where in the Dunedin wops the home is? Cheers, Jon Dean

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OT: Dunedin broadband
by Gavin Palmer 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

Hiya All Please forgive the OT post... If anyone can offer a broadband internet connection of some kind to a home user out in the Dunedin wops would you please contact me off list? Jetstream or Wireless is not available (according to Xtra), is there anything other than satellite out there? Thanx in advance Gav

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iconz / ezysurf / wired country
by Kyle Carter 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

If there is anyone on the list who works for iconz / ezysurf / wired country id like to make contact.. email me back Kyle

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RE: [nznog] iconz / ezysurf / wired country
by Kyle Carter 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

Thanks all, i posted to the list to see if i could get hold of someone with some real idea on a solution to my problem, (and preferably not a first level helpdesk person if at all possible), trying to get from them to someone who knows something sometimes feels like a lot of effort, but it appears my plan has worked. i expected a wait for a reply, but it arrived a lot quicker than expected. thankyou nznoggers... resume surfing / irc / whatever geeks do at this time of night (except for the shift working noc staff, get back to work)

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Verisign sues net oversight body
by Philip D'Ath 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

Looks like Verisign are about to start down a track that could forever change the view commonly held of the Internets shared decentralised structure. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/technology/3492240.stm CCNP, BCMS Philip D'Ath.

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"Working with them is like being nibbled to death by ducks." Forbes' take on Verisign vs. ICANN
by Juha Saarinen 29 Feb '04

29 Feb '04

http://www.forbes.com/business/2004/03/01/cx_ld_0301vrsn.html -- Juha

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Cidr report
by Andy Linton 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

Can I recommend the following web site to the list? http://www.cidr-report.org Lots of interesting stats about route announcements on the core of the net in particular those which are less than optimal. I'd suggest that all of us here who announce prefixes by BGP should at least go the the section at the very bottom of the page and generate the report for the AS numbers we're responsible for and take some action on the output if necessary. For example, Citylink's office network uses AS23754 and the report shows the following: (http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=as23754 will give a better formatted view) --- Announced Prefixes Rank AS Type Originate Addr Space (pfx) Transit Addr space (pfx) Description 8920 AS23754 ORIGIN Originate: 2560 /20.68 Transit: 0 /0.00 CITYLINK-AS-NZ Citylink Aggregation Suggestions This report does not take into account conditions local to each origin AS in terms of policy or traffic engineering requirements, so this is an approximate guideline as to aggregation possibilities. Rank AS AS Name Current Wthdw Aggte Annce Redctn % 12949 AS23754 CITYLINK-AS-NZ Citylink 4 0 0 4 0 0.00% AS23754: CITYLINK-AS-NZ Citylink Prefix (AS Path) Aggregation Action 198.48.0.0/22 1221 2764 3643 7657 23754 202.8.44.0/22 1221 2764 3643 7657 23754 202.37.19.0/24 1221 2764 3643 7657 23754 203.118.144.0/24 1221 2764 3643 7657 23754 Advertisements that are fragments of the original RIR allocation (more specifics) originated by this AS. AS23754 1 More Specifics 4 Total Advertisements CITYLINK-AS-NZ Citylink 203.118.144.0/24 (203.118.128.0/18) --- So it looks like I need to check with IHUG, our upstream, and see why they're announcing our particular subnet of 203.118.128.0/18 as well as the superblock. I've just come back from APRICOT where I saw a presentation that indicated that if we all were to get this sort of thing sorted out we'd reduce the size of the global routing table by 30% Let's get the NZ annoucements sorted at least!

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (2004-02-27) (2nd Try - Revised)
by Craig Whitmore 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) nationally, please update your prefix lists with the following networks (also in attached file) Added: ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.50.167.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.37.19.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.37.194.0/24 Thanks Craig Whitmore Systems Administrator Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (2004-02-27)
by Craig Whitmore 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) nationally, please update your prefix lists with the following networks (also in attached file) Added: ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.50.167.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.37.19.0/24 Thanks Craig Whitmore Systems Administrator Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Wellington ADSL Possible Mini-Outages
by Tristram Cheer 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

Afternoon all, A few of our clients are experiencing 20-50sec ADSL outages in the Wellington CBD and Hutt areas, we are also experiencing the same issue at work. Is anyone else out there having 20-50sec outages where they cant get a ping out?? Regards ############################################ Tristram Cheer Mobile: - 021-334-766 Work: - 04-499-9486 Fax: - 04-499-9586 After Hours: - 04-237-7593 ############################################################################ ######### This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient.

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(no subject)
by Donald Kneels 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

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Organising the Next NZNOG Conference
by Donald Neal 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

People, As discussed at the conference last month, a committee is now being called into existence to ensure that the next NZNOG conference happens. I asked that those who'd volunteered to be part of that group email me. I've so far received emails from: Neil Fenemor Nathan Ward I'm confident I have working email addresses for Joe Abley Jamie Curtis Simon Lyall Tony McGregor Lin Nah Could the other volunteers please also email me fairly soon and tell me what addresses you'd like to use for this purpose? I'm asking this because I don't hold email addresses for all of you. Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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(no subject)
by Philip D'Ath 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

Is it just me, or does this patent seem a bit extreme? http://ipwatch.internetnz.net.nz/files.asp?itemID=%7B2%30367DDC%2D6D29%2 D4%303F%2D838B%2DC%308366%30C8%304E%7D Abstract: A method for ordering a product over an internetwork of computer systems, wherein the product is ordered from a consumer computer (42) connected to the internetwork and billed by a billing server (34) connected to the internetwork comprises: (a) establishing a connection between the consumer computer and the billing server via the internetwork of computer systems; (b) transferring an order for a product from the consumer computer to the billing server via the internetwork; (c) transferring a transaction identification from the billing server to the consumer computer, wherein the transaction identification identifies the product ordered; (d) terminating the connection between the consumer computer and the billing server via the internetwork after the transaction identifier has been received by the consumer computer via the internetwork; (e) establishing a direct connection between the consumer computer and the billing server such as a telephone link administered by a telephone service provider and (f) transferring the transaction identification from the consumer computer back to the billing via the direct connection to identify the product ordered. CCNP, BCMS Philip D'Ath.

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Anyone got contact info for free.net.nz?
by Russell Fulton 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

Subject says it all. I've got a small problem I need to discuss with someone from free.net.nz and I'd rather not call their 0900 support line... -- Russell Fulton /~\ The ASCII Network Security Officer \ / Ribbon Campaign The University of Auckland X Against HTML New Zealand / \ Email!

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RE: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit.
by Riden, Jamie 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

It's in a few DNSBLs but not specifically for being an open proxy or trojaned box. But if it's in dynamic space, it might have recently changed its IP address. http://openrbl.org/ Lookup 67.172.127.63 (c-67-172-127-63.client.comcast.net) in 20+11 Zones AS: 67.160.0.0/12 AS6172 HomeCorp Redwood City/California Net 67/8 NET67 Chantilly, Virginia Results: Positive=6, Negative=25 (2004-02-23 18:30:32 UTC) @DYNAMIC/dialup: 67.172/16: 553 SORBS DUL @SPAM/spamsource: 67.172.127/24: 553 SPEWS [1] comcast/attbi, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2963 SORBS/sorbs.net: 67.172/16: 553 SORBS DUL [Remove] SPEWS/spews.org: 67.172.127/24: 553 SPEWS2 [1] comcast/attbi, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2963 RFC_IPWH/ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org: Inaccurate or missing WHOIS data BLARS/block.blars.org: INET 127.1.0.1 Negative 25: @COUNTRY @ISP AHBL BOGONS BONDED BOPM CBL DRBL DSBL FIVETEN INTERSIL JIPPGMA LNSG NJABL NOMORE ORDB PSBL PSS REYNOLDS SBL SPAMBAG SPAMCOP SPAMRBL SPAMSITE UCEPROT cheers, Jamie > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 6:14 a.m. > To: 'nznog NOG' > Subject: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit. > > > Hey Folks, > > It's been a while since I've looked at email headers... > Anyone want to tell me which of the below headers are real, > and which (if any) are forged? Instinct would tell me that > it's straight-forward, and someone rooted a box in the states > on a cable modem, but I have no idea what to believe these days. > > Cheers, > > JB > > ------------------ > > Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz ([130.217.66.62]) > by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmxc15) with ESMTP > id <2004022316453701500ncss5e>; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 > 16:45:37 +0000 > X-Originating-IP: [130.217.66.62] > Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP > id 4EC10127A79; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:45:34 +1300 (NZDT) > Received: from telescum (c-67-172-127-63.client.comcast.net > [67.172.127.63]) > by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id AA66312782A > for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:44:20 +1300 > (NZDT) > From: Donald(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz, Neal(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz > To: the(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz, guys(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz > Message-Id: <20040223164420.AA66312782A(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:44:20 +1300 (NZDT) > Cc: > Subject: [nznog] (no subject) > X-BeenThere: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 > Precedence: list > List-Id: New Zealand Network Operators Group > <nznog.list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, > <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog> > List-Post: <mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Help: <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, > <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=subscribe> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donald.neal(a)telecom.co.nz [mailto:donald.neal(a)telecom.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:54 AM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: [nznog] (no subject) > > I like to heat p[enis > da > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nzn> og > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG > mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nzn> og >

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RE: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit.
by Gordon Smith 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

Most likely an open proxy, rather than a compromised machine. Typical spammer tactic is to bounce off these to avoid being shut down. Cheers, Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 6:14 a.m. To: 'nznog NOG' Subject: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit. Hey Folks, It's been a while since I've looked at email headers... Anyone want to tell me which of the below headers are real, and which (if any) are forged? Instinct would tell me that it's straight-forward, and someone rooted a box in the states on a cable modem, but I have no idea what to believe these days. Cheers, JB

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RE: [nznog] an interesting excercise in whodoneit.
by Will Steele 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

looks like someone cant use telnet :) my guess is its someone in america :P _________________________________________________________________ Gaming galore at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming !

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an interesting excercise in whodoneit.
by Jonathan Brewer 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

Hey Folks, It's been a while since I've looked at email headers... Anyone want to tell me which of the below headers are real, and which (if any) are forged? Instinct would tell me that it's straight-forward, and someone rooted a box in the states on a cable modem, but I have no idea what to believe these days. Cheers, JB ------------------ Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz ([130.217.66.62]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmxc15) with ESMTP id <2004022316453701500ncss5e>; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:45:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [130.217.66.62] Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC10127A79; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:45:34 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from telescum (c-67-172-127-63.client.comcast.net [67.172.127.63]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id AA66312782A for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:44:20 +1300 (NZDT) From: Donald(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz, Neal(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz To: the(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz, guys(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz Message-Id: <20040223164420.AA66312782A(a)newman.its.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:44:20 +1300 (NZDT) Cc: Subject: [nznog] (no subject) X-BeenThere: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: New Zealand Network Operators Group <nznog.list.waikato.ac.nz> List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog> List-Post: <mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> List-Help: <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=subscribe> -----Original Message----- From: donald.neal(a)telecom.co.nz [mailto:donald.neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:54 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [nznog] (no subject) I like to heat p[enis da _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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(no subject)
by donald.neal＠telecom.co.nz 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

I like to heat p[enis da

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(no subject)
by Donald＠newman.its.waikato.ac.nz 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

hi guys, I kneed help, I have been stuck in my chair all week end and I cant get out, my ass is too fat, please send help

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(no subject)
by nznog＠list.waikato.ac.nz 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

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annual beer-related APRICOT mail
by Joe Abley 21 Feb '04

21 Feb '04

Anybody here planning to go to (or already at) APRICOT in KL?

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Great - spammer learning from viruses [Fwd: become and larger man...]
by Steve Withers 19 Feb '04

19 Feb '04

I wasn't happy to see SPAM arrive with what is probably Rory's real e-mail address.....spoofed just like a virus would. Steve

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OT: VoIP <-> PSTN gateway operators in NZ
by Neil Simmonds 18 Feb '04

18 Feb '04

Hi, Sorry for the OT post, Is there anyone in NZ operating (in production, or close to it) a VoIP to PSTN gateway? Preferably SIP based? If so, could they email me, or email me a contact from the company?. Im looking for an allready established network rather than creating my own (expensive :o) Cheers Rob You could try iHug or WorldxChange They both have real customers on VoIP, their own soft-switches and PSTN connections. Neil

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NZNOG BGP'04 Wrapup
by Jamie Curtis 16 Feb '04

16 Feb '04

Hi all, After much delay we have managed to update the NZNOG conference website at: http://www.nznog.org We now have up all the slides which we were able to get hold of, some simple statistics on the network usage over the term of the conference and the photos which were taken during the conference. Apologies for the quality of the photos, we didn't have appropriate gear for the size of the venue, but most importantly we lacked competent photographers ! :) Enjoy ! Jamie

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Beer
by Andy Linton 15 Feb '04

15 Feb '04

Please note that despite the subject line of Beer this message may be in breach of NZNOG AUP: 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. Of course you may recognise yourself in the following. ------- How many group/list posters does it take to change a light bulb? 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs 53 to flame the spell checkers 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp" 15 know-it-alls who claim *they* were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct 156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy" 109 to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb group 203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb group about changing light bulbs be stopped 111 to defend the posting to this group saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this group 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty 27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group 33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too" 12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy 19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three" 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ 44 to ask what is a "FAQ" 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" 143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs" 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again....

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OT: VoIP <-> PSTN gateway operators in NZ
by Robert McDonald 12 Feb '04

12 Feb '04

Hi, Sorry for the OT post, Is there anyone in NZ operating (in production, or close to it) a VoIP to PSTN gateway? Preferably SIP based? If so, could they email me, or email me a contact from the company?. Im looking for an allready established network rather than creating my own (expensive :o) Cheers Rob

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Re: Telecom and Jetstream
by Anaru Hartley 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

> So what? Your response would be the perfect Telecom response <read, > irrelevant>. The cost of buying and installing 2000 DSlams in NZ is not > likely to be different by more than a couple of percent to the cost of > installing 30000 DSlams in Mexico. The cost of copper cable is pretty much > the same anywhere. The difference in consumer pricing is the amount Telecom > takes as "profit" compared to other telcos... My message was not intended to be pro or anti Telecom. All I was suggesting is that out of 100,000,000 people only 3,500,000 use the Internet -- maybe there is something wrong -- what I was emplying is that we probably need 100Mbit connections running into our homes OR MAYBE people just don't need that 100Mbit connection. (using statistics; if 3.5 million of a population as big as Mexico's use the Internet, per person we have a much greater demand for innovation -- or not) My previous comments were more of a "serious sarcasim" aimed towards Telecom. I trust that makes sense. Anaru

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TUANZ submission to Paul Swain, re the ComCom report on unbundling
by Juha Saarinen 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

http://snipurl.com/4ecb I'll go and post this to the ADSL Intarweb mailing site www.unixathome.org/adsl as well. -- Juha

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington) 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

> From: Matthew Poole [mailto:matt(a)p00le.net] > Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 1:15 p.m. > Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? > > What's this "Speed MAY be reduced" (emphasis mine) bull? We all know that Telecom will > throttle you back to dialup speeds the second you touch that 10GB cap. I notice they > don't say what they'll throttle it back to, so you can be certain that it will be a > decidedly unattractive speed - 32kbit/s, anyone? Where does this idea of of the customer deserving flatrate broadband for peanuts come from? Telecom are not a charity. Flatrate internet will always be 'taken advantage of'[1] by a minority, and Telecom are in the position where they are able to do something about this. I personally like the idea of having a permanent connnection, with a cap that I'm unlikely to hit, but with the knowledge that if I do hit the cap then (a) my connection will no be disabled altogether and (b) I'm not going to be hit with huge excess usage charges. This is a marked improvement in contrast to pricing plans they've provided in the past, and they appear to have listened to what their customers have been asking for. Good on ya, Telecom. But I guess there will always be complainers.. :) Jamie [1] feel free to replace with 'abused', 'used as it should be', 'enjoyed', and any other term you wish according to your own viewpoint. -- CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No reader may make any use of its content unless that use is approved by Deloitte separately in writing. Any opinion, advice or information contained in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is to be treated as interim and provisional only and for the strictly limited purpose of the recipient as communicated to us. Neither the recipient nor any other person should act upon it without our separate written authorisation of reliance. Deloitte is a member firm of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu. Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu is a Swiss Verein (association), and, as such, neither Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu nor any of its member firms has any liability for each other's acts or omissions. Each of the member firms is a separate and independent legal entity operating under the names "Deloitte," "Deloitte & Touche," "Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu," or other related names. Services are provided by the member firms and not by the Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Verein. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately and destroy this message. Thank you. Deloitte Internet: www.deloitte.co.nz

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Conference Videos
by Richard Naylor 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

NZNOG Conference videos now available at www.r2.co.nz/20040129 rich

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by rob.edkins＠axon.co.nz 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

When I were 't lad, 'Broadband' was a technical term that meant simply a telecommunication medium that allowed a wide range of frequencies you could multiplex multiple channels down simultaneously. :-) Some other definitions: Newton's Telecom Dictionary: "...greater than a voice grade line of 3 KHz...some say [it should be at least] 20 KHz." Jupiter Communications: at least 256 Kbps. IBM Dictionary of Computing: A broadband channel is "6 MHz wide." Tannenbaum: "Broadband is used largely as a marketing rather than a technical term" [referring to DSL technology] > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Naylor [mailto:richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 22:34 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? > > > At 07:48 p.m. 9/02/2004 +1300, James White wrote: > > > Where does this idea that 256K is broadband come from? > > > >I thought it was something set by Telecom? > > who ever "set" it is crazy. Its anything above 2mbps. Before > "broadband", > you could get a 2mbps cct, so for the "new" thing it has to > be better. > Hence 2+ mbps, and in my thinking only really kicks in around 30mbps. > -- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is CONFIDENTIAL and may be exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you read this message and are not the addressee you are notified that use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. You should scan this message and any attached files for viruses. Axon accepts no liability for any loss caused either directly or indirectly by a virus arising from the use of this message or any attached file.

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IPV6 and Multicast Progress after NZNOG
by Craig Whitmore 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Well we all enjoyed the NZNOG conference, but what has been done with the 2 subjects that had a bit of talk about (Multicast and IPv6). I see no new IPv6 Peers @ APE or WIX and nothing new Multicast wise there either. Yes I know adding this type of stuff into an existing commercial network needs "management approval" and alike but are any of the techs around talking to Management/Have plans in the future/near future about enabling either of these into their networks. I've had www.mbone.net.nz set up for quite a while which gives some examples of set up and I even added some juniper stuff into it a few weeks ago. All I can see at the moment all I can see is IHUG's MSDP announcements and MBGP (but not PIM????). And now to think about the content.. Any comments? Suggestions? Craig Whitmore

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New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Seeby Woodhouse 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Here's something that I think a few people may have overlooked... It seems to me that the new JetStream 'surf' products are just Telecom/Xtra's early implementation of the Bitstream product that the telecommunications commissioner recently ORDERED Telecom to wholesale to other providers. For those that missed it, Telecom has been told that they MUST provide a reasonably priced wholesale ADSL product (bitstream) to other ISP's, or they risk full unbundling of the local loop. (See www.comcom.govt.nz if you're in the dark about all this) So what has just happened, is that Telecom have worked out the pricing that OTHER ISPs are likely to come up with once they have the bitstream service to wholesale, and have simply launched to market first. We are in negotiations with Telecom regarding bitstream, and I am hopeful that we will be able to come up with an arrangement that will be beneficial to Orcon and the other 40+ ISP's that we wholesale ADSL services to. Once we have the technical issues with Telecom worked out over provisioning bistream I don't see why we won't be able to provide a flat-rate domestic ADSL service with differing downstream International data caps for a decent price per month. After all - once we wholesale bitstream it is totally up to us what we sell it to the customer at, and whether we provide flat rate domestic, data caps or a totally flat rate service altogether. One issue for small providers may be that it looks as though the investment in infrastructure required to wholesale bitstream may be prohibitive - however that's what we're here for - to help those guys out :-) Cheers Seeby Woodhouse Managing Director Orcon Internet Limited - www.orcon.net.nz Mob +64 (0) 21 366 666 / Wk +64 (9) 444 4414 ext 700

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Current APNIC policy discussions
by Nurani Nimpuno 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Hi all, At the last NZNOG meeting, we delivered a full day training course on Internet resource management. A few people have asked me for the material, so I thought a quick mail to the list would be useful. The APNIC training course material can be found here: http://www.apnic.net/training/recent/ and the policy development presentation I gave on the Friday (30th) can be found here: http://www.apnic.net/community/presentations/other.html There was quite a lot of good discussion at the NZNOG meeting on the current policy proposals so I'd like to encourage you to have a look at the full proposals and express your opinion on them! There was good feedback from the NZNOG community, especially on the issues of size and criteria for a minimum IPv4 allocation and reclamation of unused historical allocations. The proposals will be discussed at the upcoming APNIC meeting, but if you cannot make it to the meeting, you are welcome to participate in the discussion on the APNIC mailing lists. (We webcast the meetings too, so you can follow them online.) The current proposals are listed here: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/ You can subscribe to one of the mailing lists here: http://www.apnic.net/community/lists/ Policy stuff might not feel that operational, but the policies do affect you if you're running a business on the Internet and the only way to change them is to voice your opinon. We haven't had a lot of feedback from New Zealand in the past, so it'd be good to get your perspective in some of the discussions! If you have any questions about the proposals, the meeting or the discussions, don't hesitate to shoot me a mail. Cheers, Nurani ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nurani Nimpuno <nurani(a)apnic.net> APNIC Training Tel:+61-7-38583100 http://www.apnic.net Fax:+61-7-38583199 ------------------------------------------------------------------ See you at the 17th APNIC Open Policy Meeting! Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, 23-27 February 2004 http://www.apnic.net/meetings/ <meetings(a)apnic.net> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Neil Gardner 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Can anyone confirm if these plans: A) Will be available through other ISPs? (although the fact that these are labelled Telecom plans here, not Xtra - is confusing) B) Lump together the cheap-as-chips national and expensive as diamond International Data? I presume they do so all traffic counts towards the totals? -- Cheers - Neil Gardner Networking and Security Support Engineer Renaissance Brands (09) 968-3681 / (021) 746-345 -----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 11:55 a.m. To: Tristram Cheer Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? Tristram Cheer wrote: > Anyone on the list be able to confirm this? > > "download of 256k upload of 128k > 1gig plan, 3 gig and a 10 gig plan! But instead of being charged for > extra usage they throttle you to dialup speeds after the 10gig" > > http://www.angst.co.nz/arr.jpg Not leaked -- annnounced today. Note that the pricing will be $10 less for customers who put all their calls through Telecom. $39.95/$49.95 for the 1GB plan with 5c/MB excess $49.95/$59.95 for the 3GB plan with 5c/MB excess $59.95/$69.95 for the 10GB plan with no excess charging, but throttling That's retail, with/without Telecom Calling. Resale is $10 less. -- Juha _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Geeks Put the Unsavvy on Alert: Learn or Log Off
by Andy Linton 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Follow up to discussions at BGP04 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/05/technology/05VIRU.html?ex=1077173129&ei=1…

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Gordon Smith 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

The splitting of national vs international traffic is an interesting point, and not very common internationally i.e. the people that write the applications that provide traffic calculations don't differentiate the two. Arguably, it is possible to do this with BGP communities; assuming, of course, that both Telecom and Telstra were willing to exchange national routing information at peering points with other providers. Otherwise the split will not be very accurate. >From the perspective of software management, I do know that boxes like the ERX pass traffic accounting information in the form of RADIUS interim accounting records, and as such have absolutely no awareness of traffic paths. In order to do a split, I'd guess that you'd have to come up with a way of reconciling NetFlow data with radius records, and I'm pretty sure that'd be pretty hard to make scalable Cheers, Gordon

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Neil Gardner 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

I'm a heavy internet user. I'd change plans in a second if this plan differentiated National/International Data. But as far as I can see it doesn't. That's why Telecom can afford to offer a 10GB plan, depending on the user, much or all of this 10Gb will be the 'almost free' national variety.[1] Telecom could remove the incentive for other broadband players to go for the ADSL market by just making a 256/256 with reasonably large (10GB) International plans and free National data, and then pricing it at $89. They would appear to have listened to the vocal minority wanting better broadband, yet have protected their market and lined their own pockets even more. Anyone that REALLY wants to setup alternatives with wireless would still have markets to go for (Higher speed, more geographically spread population etc) to target, so they couldn't complain that Telecom is being monopolistic. Even then, Telecom would wholesale the new plans and the ISPs would have something to offer. No, I know it doesn't fix the root cause of Telecom being able to decide on the plan, the cost and the caps - but if Telecom listened and upped the plans once the masses started grumbling - they could stay ahead of the problem and keep the marketspace clear and collect for every (virtually) home broadband connection in the country for the forseeable future... Cheers - N. [1] The national packets are packed in blain brown paper headers, the International ones get gold plated by hand before shipping. -- Cheers - Neil Gardner Networking and Security Support Engineer Renaissance Brands (09) 968-3681 / (021) 746-345 -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Manson [mailto:evil_bry(a)xtra.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 2:37 p.m. To: 'Jeremy Brooking'; 'Juha Saarinen' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? Another interesting point... there is *again* no national/international differentiation. We have this with 128/128 jetstart plans, one would think telecom will have put some consideration into this with their new plans.. Sure, 10 gig is a bit. But 10 gig national? What's that costing telecom? I guess it is a step in the right direction, but we are still stuck banging our heads on brick walls stuck in the Stone Age to some extent. Juha Saarinen wrote: > > Not leaked -- annnounced today. > > Note that the pricing will be $10 less for customers who put all their > calls through Telecom. > > $39.95/$49.95 for the 1GB plan with 5c/MB excess $49.95/$59.95 for the > 3GB plan with 5c/MB excess $59.95/$69.95 for the 10GB plan with no > excess charging, but throttling > > That's retail, with/without Telecom Calling. Resale is $10 less. > Surely this must be seen as anti-competitive behaviour by the commerce commision. Who in their right mind is going to use another tolls provider, to save themselves $5 a month on calls, when being Telecom dangle this carrot infront of them. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Donald Neal 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

This list does not exist for the discussion of general Internet-related issues, but specifically for technical and operational matters. This does not include discussion of whether people do or do not like anyone's retail pricing. This thread should either acquire some technical content or go away. Please before posting consider the list's Acceptable Use Policy, which begins: "The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate." - Donald Neal NZNOG List Administrator Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | > -----Original Message----- > From: nznog-bounces+Donald.Neal=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:nznog-bounces+Donald.Neal=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On > Behalf Of Jonathan > Sent: Monday, 9 February 2004 14:35 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? > > > > > Where does this idea of of the customer deserving > flatrate broadband > > > for peanuts come from? > > I beleive this idea comes from other countries where more than one > telecommunications provider offers DSL/Cable systems, and > there is actual > competition. > > This is a great improvement from Telecom, however does not > compare to other > countries internet pricing. Being fair this could be put down > to the lower > quanitity of usable lines in NZ compared to the US, I don't > think we'll be > able to get the same prices as the US ever purely due to > population density > restrictions, however I do think the price could be > dramaticly lower and > Telecom still profit. > > Dont mean to be a complainer, I do like these new Telecom DSL > offers, they > are much better. JetStart actually qualifying as 'broadband' > with the 256K > download spec. Speed limiting in my eyes is a much preffered > alternative to > the huge cash bill at the end of the month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Juha Saarinen" <juha(a)saarinen.org> > To: "Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington)" <jfinnigan(a)deloitte.co.nz> > Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked? > > > > Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington) wrote: > > > > > > > Conversely, where does the idea that Telecom deserves exemption from > > competition come from? Corporate charity? > > > > > > > CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains > information that > > > is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No > reader may > > > make any use of its content unless that use is approved > by Deloitte > > > separately in writing. 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RE: [nznog] New Telecom Jetstream Plans Leaked?
by Simon Oldham 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

<snip> And do you think they will have it set up for allocation of Static IP's?? Current Jetstart/5GB plan and static IP assignment are 'incompatible', supposedly, as this are not properly routable (must be nat'd or somit') This is a marked improvement in contrast to pricing plans they've provided in the past, and they appear to have listened to what their customers have been asking for. Good on ya, Telecom. But I guess there will always be complainers.. :) Jamie [1] feel free to replace with 'abused', 'used as it should be', 'enjoyed', and any other term you wish according to your own viewpoint. -- CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No reader may make any use of its content unless that use is approved by Deloitte separately in writing. Any opinion, advice or information contained in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is to be treated as interim and provisional only and for the strictly limited purpose of the recipient as communicated to us. Neither the recipient nor any other person should act upon it without our separate written authorisation of reliance. Deloitte is a member firm of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu. Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu is a Swiss Verein (association), and, as such, neither Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu nor any of its member firms has any liability for each other's acts or omissions. Each of the member firms is a separate and independent legal entity operating under the names "Deloitte," "Deloitte & Touche," "Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu," or other related names. Services are provided by the member firms and not by the Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Verein. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately and destroy this message. Thank you. Deloitte Internet: www.deloitte.co.nz _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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If anyone is running their IPv6 machines on OpenBSD....
by Simon Oldham 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Ladies and Gents, This was pushed onto the Slashdot stack not long ago, might bear some investigation if your platform of choice for your IPv6 is Open BSD 3.4 http://www.guninski.com/obsdmtu.html If the list has already seen this, please excuse the disturbing of your New Zealand Day (opps, Waitangi)

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Solution to spam problem
by Andy Linton 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Just when you thought the Internet sucked beyond redemption your faith in the net gods gets restored. Now let's find an answer for world hunger and peace. http://www.thespeciousreport.com/03031216nospam.html Has anybody idea how they make this work? (:-)

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NOG Conference stuff
by Peter Macaulay 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

Great Event. Well run, good attendance. Attaboys all round. Sorry to miss the curry though. InternetNZ has enjoyed supporting the NOG, and has agreed to consider of more initiatives such as the IPV6 lab. Lotto results: Confirming that Craig Whitmore won the Linksys WRT54G. This was shipped to him yesterday. After a shipping saga, the Mulitcast books arrived here in Wellington today via Auckland, Hamilton, Auckland, Wellington. Michael Sutton is preparing the list, and Janet will ship these in the next day or so. We have yet to decide whether to order more than the original 25 so no one misses out. Commercial break --- if you are not a member of InternetNZ sign up now! https://secure.internetnz.net.nz/membership/individmem.html -- Peter Macaulay Executive Director InternetNZ Direct +64 4 495 2113

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Dean Moreton/Christchurch/Foodstuffs is out of the office.
by Dean Moreton 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

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Re: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs
by Ewen McNeill 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

In message <401C49BA.5040507(a)saarinen.org>, Juha Saarinen writes: >There's something wrong about neutering the 'Net for newbies instead of >going after those who spoil it for them. FWIW, Dean's talk wasn't solely about people spoiling the net for newbies (although there's a lot of that too), but also that they're inadvertantly doing dumb things because it's not obvious that it's dumb and it's not obvious that there's a better way to do it. (For instance consider a newbie mailing out a 10MB attachement to the whole company when they could have just sent a link.) To that end I think that "seamless integration" of the local network (and local machine) and the Internet is counterproductive -- there really are differences and sometimes you've still got to be aware of them. (Not everyone has a gigabit link to their house yet.) >Given how spammers, phishers, crackers, VXers et al have so far managed >to work around every countermeasure devised against them, I have reason >to believe even NewbieNet would only be a temporary fix. Indeed. That was basically my point in one of the talks, that whatever restrictions you put in place would be "routed around" by those with an incentive to do so. Okay you're down to "mere applications", but applications -- especially those used by newbies -- are notoriously insecure. (Some of them even have extra, designed in, insecurity.) Jamie (Baddeley)'s suggestion of thin client is perhaps one of the few ways you might get enough control over the end appliance to control things; another is perhaps Knoppix-style bootable-readonly-device (or perhaps something PS/2, Xbox, etc like). My point was that you can get 75% of the immediate benefit of a "newbie applicance network" right now simply by firewalling customer connections at the edge -- and that if you do, please provide an opt-out mechanism. (I'd really prefer that it wasn't necessary to buy, say, a E1 link (wholesale connectivity) in order to get reasonably unfiltered access. And tunnelling everywhere sucks.) That said, short of a rigorous punishment technique,[0] rigorously applied, I don't think we're going to get all of those that spoil the 'net. Ewen [0] Death. Or perhaps transportation to the colonies. I hear Mars isn't too crowded this time of year.

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RE: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work
by Tristram Cheer 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Just one of those days, format and reinstall and a little rushed. Too hot in Wellington I think ############################ Tristram Cheer Mobile: - 021-334-766 Work: - 04-499-9486 Fax: - 04-499-9586 After Hours: - 04-237-7593 ############################################################################ ######### This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Shepherd [mailto:kims(a)waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 2:32 p.m. To: 'Trisram Cheer' Subject: RE: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work I can't offer you a job, sorry, but I can remind you that you've fogotten the second 't' in your name in your "From" line... Which might help with prospective employers? ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: Trisram Cheer [mailto:james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 2:25 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work > > Whops! > > > > Wellington > > > > ############################################ > > Tristram Cheer > > Mobile: - 021-334-766 > > Work: - 04-499-9486 > > Fax: - 04-499-9586 > > After Hours: - 04-237-7593 > > > > ############################################################## > ####################### > > This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It > may contain confidential or legally privileged information, > or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by > any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in > error, please immediately delete it from your system and > notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any > part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. > > ________________________________ > > From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 2:28 p.m. > To: Trisram Cheer > Subject: Re: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work > > > > what area? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Trisram Cheer <mailto:james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz> > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:21 PM > > Subject: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work > > > > Apologies if this is too OT > > > > I've recently been made redundant and work finishes end > of this week. If anyone knows of any Helpdesk, User support > or Hardware support (workshop etc) Then please drop me a line > off list > > > > > > Thanks > > > > ############################################ > > Tristram Cheer > > Mobile: - 021-334-766 > > Work: - 04-499-9486 > > Fax: - 04-499-9586 > > After Hours: - 04-237-7593 > > > > > ############################################################## > ####################### > > This correspondence is for the named person's use only. > It may contain confidential or legally privileged > information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is > waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this > correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from > your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy > or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the > intended recipient. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > >

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RE: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work
by Trisram Cheer 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Whops! Wellington ############################################ Tristram Cheer Mobile: - 021-334-766 Work: - 04-499-9486 Fax: - 04-499-9586 After Hours: - 04-237-7593 ############################################################################ ######### This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. _____ From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 2:28 p.m. To: Trisram Cheer Subject: Re: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work what area? ----- Original Message ----- From: Trisram <mailto:james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz> Cheer To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: [nznog] OT: Looking For Work Apologies if this is too OT I've recently been made redundant and work finishes end of this week. If anyone knows of any Helpdesk, User support or Hardware support (workshop etc) Then please drop me a line off list Thanks ############################################ Tristram Cheer Mobile: - 021-334-766 Work: - 04-499-9486 Fax: - 04-499-9586 After Hours: - 04-237-7593 ############################################################################ ######### This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information, or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. _____ _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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JetStream Games Realm Adminitrator...
by Dan Clark 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Hi all, Can someone please point me in the direction of the JetStream Games Realm administrator, or his/her boss please. Offlist. Kind Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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Credit card fraudsters......
by Steve Withers 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

In my e-mail this morning, with a clickable button to take me to their 'secure site': From: security(a)visa-security.com Dear Sir/Madam, We were informed that your credit card is used by another person or stolen. It could happen if you have been shopping on-line, and someone got your "Billing information" including your credit card number. To avoid and prevent any further fraud and billing mistakes and to refund your credit card, it is strongly recommended to proceed filling in the secure form on our site and applying for our Zero Liability program. Program is free and it will help us to confirm the fact of fraud and investigate this accident as soon as possible. Sincerely yours, Visa Support Assistant, Alwin Desagun.

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The Internet for n00bs
by Ewen McNeill 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

One of the things discussed at the (excellent, thanks everyone) NZNOG 2004 conference was that the Internet sucks, and that a large portion of this suckage is due to ignorant n00bs who do the wrong thing, get 0wned, etc. It was suggested that the "only" fix to this problem was to kill the end to end Internet, making the "Internet" a core exchange network (a la telco style), and allowing users only access to a local proxy at their ISP for a very limited set of services. Aside from my objection that this won't help much except in the short term (plenty of protocols already tunnel around such firewall limitations -- eg, look at everything that's been tunneled through HTTP), this really sucks for the l33t who find it awfully restrictive. An alternative approach to that type of thing is possibly just to heavily firewall -- at the ISP end of the link -- connections to all "potential n00b" users (SMTP to ISP mail server, POP/IMAP/HTTP/HTTPS to whereever and a few other common things) by default. And then provide an "opt out" system that anyone with a clue can use to disable the default firewalling. I would suggest: telnet ihaveaclue.$ISP where you have to enter "My name is $NAME, and I have a clue" (with $NAME expanded, but otherwise literally). Possibly that setting could be sticky; possibly it would need to be done on each reconnection.[0] The remaining aspect is that anyone who claimed to have a clue in this manner and then lets something on their connection get 0wned or otherwise abuses the privilege, (a) loses the ability to unblock themselves, and (b) gets their name published on a list of shame. This could pretty much be implemented today by anyone with a firewall (or customer facing ACLs) which can be set on a per-customer basis. Various RAS boxes have this sort of facility already; at least one ISP I know of firewalls accounts that are over due so they can reach the accounting website and that's about it. The alternative seems to be that the clueful will just tunnel everything through whatever still works. Tunnelling through DNS requests is painful but doable; tunnelling through most other things is almost tolerably efficient by comparision. And I guess bandwidth is cheap enough now that we can cope with a 20-50% overhead due to tunnelling.[1] Ewen [0] Anyone who can't automate doing it on each reconnection doesn't have a clue. [1] Still, it'll make the ATM tax look cheap.

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RE: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs
by Regan Murphy 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

> From: Seton Wingfield [mailto:SWingfield(a)atl.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2004 7:00 p.m. > > I recently read the "Changes to Functionality in Microsoft > Windows XP Service Pack 2" and in it, it states that the > Internet Connection Firewall will be turned on by default. > Changes like this and Microsoft's long term commitment to > security via their "Trustworthy Computing" initiative may > make the problems that you are trying to solve a thing of the past. > Unfotunately it will be a long time until all net people shift from Windows 95 et al and move to WinXP etc. Also with the growth of linux variants can we expect the same default security options to be set there as well (remember all the sendmail exploits and the redhat vunerabilities)? Beyond that there are a lot of people that like to run programs such as p2p file sharing applications and irc and ftp and these unfortunately don't work too well with misconfigured firewalls. The typical answer to "how do I get p2p app working?" is "oh, you're running XP? Then disable the default firewall and it will all work". i.e. n00bs will always unwittingly impact the internet through miseducation and ignorance -- Regan

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This month Donald Neal is joined as list administrator by Simon Blake and Simon Lyall. The aim of the increased head count is to provide better coverage in terms of time, and to reduce the list's reliance on any individual. Meetings See http://www.nznog.org/ for details of the conference which has just finished. Another fairly similar gathering seems likely to be held early next year. Also see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/about.html if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Internet Exchanges See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. See http://www.wix.net.nz/ for the Wellington Internet Exchange. And possibly http://www.citylink.co.nz/information/news/nr1068413489.html . About This Mailing List This list has around six hundred addresses subscribed. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by employees of Alcatel NZ Ltd, Citylink and ihug Ltd. None of these organisations, nor any administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrators remain happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. One way to search the archive is to use google and prefix your search with site:list.waikato.ac.nz . Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Richard Naylor wrote: > > Yes - all on DVD, but missed the start of Geoffs talk - > couldn't climb over > Si to get to DVD-R. Must get bigger van..... or a smaller Si ... ;-) mark

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Re: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs
by Ewen McNeill 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

In message <1075610074.2007.305.camel(a)localhost>, Steve Withers writes: >On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 15:11, Anaru Hartley wrote: >> I kind of sense a "one track mind" approach to the >> issue at hand. There are plenty of alternatives, >> personally I don't think tightning the rope is going >> to help improve the Internet. The point was that some people (Dean cited his Nana as an example) really don't want to deal with all the complexity of keeping their system patched against the security hole du jour -- they just want an appliance that will let them talk to their grandchildren and maybe check a few details on their latest group's meetings. A 21st century telephone. The suggestion was then made (in a later talk) that the "only" solution to the mass of people who just wanted an applicance and were unwilling/unable to deal with the "dangerous" place that is the modern Internet, was an Internet-Lite -- the Internet for n00bs. The major part of its architecture was, essentially, a bunch of application proxies at the ISP with everything else firewalled off. The aim of this was to (dramatically) reduce the pool of reachable, unpatched, systems on the 'net. The current batch of worms to install open relays would be immunised against pretty much immediately for two reasons (couldn't reach open relays once established, couldn't reach remote hosts to infect them). >True. All you need is one ISP who offers "real" Internet....and everyone >would flock there. I know I would, if that was the choice. Yes, but you're l33t Steve. You'd flock there. Most people here would flock there. Much as I don't want to see "the Internet" become a dumbed down IntaWeb clone, I recognise that's just me ("when I want to be wrapped in cotton wool, I know where to find it"). There's a whole bunch of people, probably the majority by an order of magnitude, for whom the Internet, Large As Life, is scary, and intruding on their ability to just do the things they want to (eg, their machine keeps getting infected). So The Internet for n00bs will probably happen eventually. I just hope it isn't done in such a way that the only way to join the Real Internet (tm) is to qualify for your own ASN or by building tunnels through increasingly inappropriate application level protocols. A "walled garden" (to use the Citylink description of CafeNet) would be more appropriate -- with a way out for those that can figure out the gate, and a rule that they don't get to complain (or get out again) if they get run over by the traffic outside. Ewen

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RE: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs
by Seton Wingfield 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

In my experience its never the people that find an exploit that end up causing the mayhem. If the flow of information from the exploit finders to the script kiddies could be stopped so would the majority of worms etc. I know this is old thinking but it seems like a easier option than firewalling off the Internet. I recently read the "Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2" and in it, it states that the Internet Connection Firewall will be turned on by default. Changes like this and Microsoft's long term commitment to security via their "Trustworthy Computing" initiative may make the problems that you are trying to solve a thing of the past. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7bd948d7-b791-40b6… http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/innovation/twc/twc_whitepaper.asp The documents are MS Word format. -----Original Message----- From: Ewen McNeill [mailto:ewen(a)naos.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2004 11:17 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] The Internet for n00bs One of the things discussed at the (excellent, thanks everyone) NZNOG 2004 conference was that the Internet sucks, and that a large portion of this suckage is due to ignorant n00bs who do the wrong thing, get 0wned, etc. It was suggested that the "only" fix to this problem was to kill the end to end Internet, making the "Internet" a core exchange network (a la telco style), and allowing users only access to a local proxy at their ISP for a very limited set of services. Aside from my objection that this won't help much except in the short term (plenty of protocols already tunnel around such firewall limitations -- eg, look at everything that's been tunneled through HTTP), this really sucks for the l33t who find it awfully restrictive. An alternative approach to that type of thing is possibly just to heavily firewall -- at the ISP end of the link -- connections to all "potential n00b" users (SMTP to ISP mail server, POP/IMAP/HTTP/HTTPS to whereever and a few other common things) by default. And then provide an "opt out" system that anyone with a clue can use to disable the default firewalling. I would suggest: telnet ihaveaclue.$ISP where you have to enter "My name is $NAME, and I have a clue" (with $NAME expanded, but otherwise literally). Possibly that setting could be sticky; possibly it would need to be done on each reconnection.[0] The remaining aspect is that anyone who claimed to have a clue in this manner and then lets something on their connection get 0wned or otherwise abuses the privilege, (a) loses the ability to unblock themselves, and (b) gets their name published on a list of shame. This could pretty much be implemented today by anyone with a firewall (or customer facing ACLs) which can be set on a per-customer basis. Various RAS boxes have this sort of facility already; at least one ISP I know of firewalls accounts that are over due so they can reach the accounting website and that's about it. The alternative seems to be that the clueful will just tunnel everything through whatever still works. Tunnelling through DNS requests is painful but doable; tunnelling through most other things is almost tolerably efficient by comparision. And I guess bandwidth is cheap enough now that we can cope with a 20-50% overhead due to tunnelling.[1] Ewen [0] Anyone who can't automate doing it on each reconnection doesn't have a clue. [1] Still, it'll make the ATM tax look cheap. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Commerce Commission - bitstream etc.
by Simon Lyall 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

I was having a look though the documents here: http://www.comcom.govt.nz/telecommunications/localloop.cfm I was a bit disappointed at the lack of Local Loop access but there seemed to be some positive talk about the Bitstream service. However the last three pages (Appendix 5) of the Final Report Appendices basically define this as a 128up/256down service with VOIP, video and similar functionality specifically excluded. In other words Telecom will only have to open up a minimal level ADSL service slightly faster than Jetstart (with a recommended provisioning cost of $185 ) . I also see nothing about removing the requirement for all home customers with DSL to also have a voice phone line so I presume it's still in there which means that their be no option to replace home customer's main phone line with a VOIP system (like some people are doing in the US) or for people just to use their cellphones. Which overall looks like at least another couple of years of "more of the same" with respect to high speed Internet for most people. Or have I misinterpreted the recommendations? -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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For Spamassassin users fed up with AV notifications
by Juha Saarinen 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Apropos the recent storm of AV notifications caused by MyDoom... found this gem on the Exim-users list: http://www.timj.co.uk/linux/bogus-virus-warnings.cf Put it in e.g. /etc/mail/spamassassin, restart SA, and it loads the file. -- Juha

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by Chris Hellberg 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

I'm another watcher and thumbs up for the video quality! Lots of the interlude music seems to be in minor keys. It's almost as if it's funeral music to play for the foresaken networks :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Credit card fraudsters......
by Stephen Andrew 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

On Friday, 30 January 2004 9:42 AM, Steve Withers <mailto:swithers(a)mmp.org.nz> wrote: > In my e-mail this morning, with a clickable button to take me to their > 'secure site': > > From: security(a)visa-security.com > > Dear Sir/Madam, [snip] A similar thing had an "honourable" mention in Bruce Schneier's CryptoGram this month. Nice pice of social engineering - the victim already believes there are unauthorised transactions on their card which are being dealt with by Visa and so doesn't chase them up when they appear on their statement. http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0401.html#10 -- Andrew This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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Conference Videocast
by Tony McGregor 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

The good folks at CityLink will be multicasting the talks from the conference tomorrow and Friday. So if you can't be here, check out www.r2.co.nz. There are pictures from today's sessions on the conference page. www.nznog.org. Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095(w) +64 7 825 5047(h) Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Recent worm infestations
by Juha Saarinen 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

For those who haven't noticed the flood of emailed viruses and bounces caused by the dictionary attack the new Windows worm(s) create(s), read and weep: http://www.kaspersky.com/news.html?id=3614506 http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/novarg.shtml Plus the usual AV sites. Looks like it's running amok in NZ. -- Juha

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington) 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

> We had 12 viewers a few minutes ago, but I'm not sure they weren't all > just Citylink staff wanting to see the light glinting off Carl's head > :-) I'm another .. but I'm only here for the fantastic music that gets played during intervals. :) Jamie -- CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No reader may make any use of its content unless that use is approved by Deloitte separately in writing. Any opinion, advice or information contained in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is to be treated as interim and provisional only and for the strictly limited purpose of the recipient as communicated to us. Neither the recipient nor any other person should act upon it without our separate written authorisation of reliance. Deloitte is a member firm of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu. Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu is a Swiss Verein (association), and, as such, neither Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu nor any of its member firms has any liability for each other's acts or omissions. Each of the member firms is a separate and independent legal entity operating under the names "Deloitte," "Deloitte & Touche," "Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu," or other related names. Services are provided by the member firms and not by the Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Verein. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately and destroy this message. Thank you. Deloitte Internet: www.deloitte.co.nz

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by Richards, David 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Ah the sound is fixed now! Well done! -- David Richards, Senior Network Engineer IT Services Unit - 'Enabling people through technology' Christchurch City Council, New Zealand Phone: +64 3 941 8689 | Fax: +64 3 941 8989 | Mobile: +64 27 242 7689 email: David.Richards(a)ccc.govt.nz -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Curtis [mailto:jamie(a)pointless.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:29 To: nznog(a)nznog.org Subject: Re: [nznog] Conference Videocast > And only if RIch can get from AKL to HAM in time to get everyuthing set up > and a public IP is available, etc. We also have minor logistics issues of > getting the van close enough, running a lot of cables, power, etc. > > If everything goes OK, there MAY be 3 cameras (and operators) as well as a > scan converter on the inevitable power point thingies. After a bit of playing around Rich and Simon seem to have got it all working. The streams are all available from: http://www.r2.co.nz/20040129/ We are currently trying to work on clearing up the sound but otherwise all is going well. Thanks heaps to Rich and all the Citylink guys for making this happen. All the captures are also being recorded and may be available later. Cheers, Jamie _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ********************************************************************** This electronic email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the Christchurch City Council. If you are not the correct recipient of this email please advise the sender and delete. Christchurch City Council http://www.ccc.govt.nz **********************************************************************

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Open Discussion at BGP'04
by Donald Neal 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

NZNOG People, The last item on the programme (http://www.nznog.org/programme.php) for the conference now getting under way is "Open Discussion". This isn't a BOF. I intend to use this session to ask for feedback from attendees on a number of issues. For a start, I plan to ask for comments on the conference then concluding - what went well, what could be improved. I also intend to try to have those present agree a committee to handle NZNOG's part of the organisation of the next conference, and to ask whether those assembled have any shared views about that conference - where, when, how much beer Roger should pay for. In seeking to do this, I'm assuming that NZNOG will remain a loose association and not a formally-organised society. That's an assumption with which people are welcome to disagree. I'd welcome email directly to me by Thursday night from people planning to attend the conference if there's any other issue they'd like discussed then. If there are a lot of topics people want discussed I'll put together a formal agenda. If you're not planning to attend that session but would be willing to help in NZNOG's part of conference organisation, please also get back to me by Thursday night. I'm also on the lookout for at least one more person to act as administrator for this mailing list. The last time this was discussed on this list a number of names were mentioned, but there seemed to me little sign of a coherent view. Again, if you're interested in taking on that role (or have strong views on who should or should not have that role) but won't be at Friday's session, please email me directly by Thursday night. Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Determining International vs Local
by Cleave Pokotea 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Hello, Just looking for some clarification from the group regarding International versus Local traffic identification (sorry for the uneducated queries): Traditionally circuit switched voice calls are carried via a dedicated end-to-end circuit (or virtual circuit) that the switching system sets up for the purpose of each call. The originating carrier bills the customer originating the call (the collection charge) and is billed by the terminating carrie for completing the call (the accounting rate). Therefore calls are easily distinguished between point A (local) and point B (international). With IP traffic(packet switched) an Internet message is broken down into many packets that may be individually routed over many different networks to arrive at the endpoint where they are reassembled into their original, coherent message. Individual messages therefore do not occupy a defined circuit for a defined time. So, how is International traffic differentiated from local traffic in NZ? How do ISP's deterine what traffic has originate locally? I am assuming there are two main methods of Inter-connection used in NZ; 1. Sats, 2. Southern Cross (?) cable. Is traffic classified (?) at the main entry points or are ISP's classifiying traffic via IP ranges (The dotted quad ranges seem's a rather ad-hoc method) and / or other methods? thanks, C. Resource Development Analyst Digital Initiatives Unit Te Puna Mataurange o Aotearoa National Library of New Zealand Wellington

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.com.au domains
by Dan Clark 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Hi Guys, Where does one register a .com.au domain nice and cheap inside New Zealand? Or do we have to go via Optus in Aussie? Kind Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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RE: .com.au domains
by Dominic O'Hare 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

If you are already incorporated in New Zealand, you can register an ABN at - http://www.abr.gov.au as an other incorporated entity. There are no filing or registration fees to register an ABN and you do not need an Australian street address. When filing an ABN make sure your company name and desired domain name are registered as trading names. Be aware the Australian Business Registry are terribly slow at creating new numbers, be sure to send them your NZ certificate of incorporation. Yours Sincerely, Dominic O'Hare ENERGISERVE.COM 502 S. Harbor Blvd Fullerton, CA 92382

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RE: [nznog] .com.au domains
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

If they are Australian companies, they should already have an ABN (and you will be registering it on their behalf and in their name). It may be easier for them to register it themselves. Cheers Mark Harris Manager Moderation and Web Standards State Services Commission PO Box 329, Wellington, NZ Tel: 64 4 495 2844 Email: moderator(a)ssc.govt.nz > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] > Sent: 26 January 2004 11:45 > To: Peter Mott; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] .com.au domains > > > one of the issues I am having is it would appear you have to have an > Australian business number to be able to register the domain *.com.au? > The reason we are trying to register this kind of domain is a > couple of > customers are based in Aussie and dont like the fact that .nz > means we can > do it better than them :P > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Mott" <peter.mott(a)2day.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [nznog] .com.au domains > > > > Mike Cooper wrote: > > > > > www.domainz.net.nz > > > > nice and cheap? > > > > <cough> > > > > > > -- > > Peter Mott > > Chief Enthusiast > > 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED > > http://www.2day.com > > > > "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish > something!" > > Thomas A Edison > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Re: [nznog] New Spam Killing Technique
by Ewen McNeill 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

In message <011d01c3e2ca$1b0bdfa0$030d010a(a)doc>, James Spooner writes: >My Point here was that spammers will no longer be able to send from >a hotmail/yahoo/aol/etc address using an arbitrary open SMTP relay, >which means they will have a harder time maintaining anonymity. The obvious counter to that -- which I'd assume even spammers could figure out -- is to register a new domain for each spam run through a given open relay. Then they can even put in the SPF records for that relay. This raises the spammers cost, oh, about US$8. It might be enough to cut out the less profitable spammers -- after all it's probably doubling their overheads -- but I imagine all the bigger ones will just keep right on at it. And they can easily register the domain with "anonymous" details. Sure it might eventually get pulled for not having valid details; but by that time it's served its purpose and can be removed anyway. SPF does seem to be a useful step though, as it'll reduce the number of "joe jobs". And hopefully also encourage more people to set up SMTP AUTH and the like. Ewen

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New Spam Killing Technique
by Jamie Baddeley 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2004/0122aoltest.html?net http://spf.pobox.com/ worth looking at.... jamie

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Heads up - Webcasting Activity Next week
by Richard Naylor 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

Folks, FYI - Nextweek, I'll be streaming the NZ Bloodstock Yearling Sales from Papakura. I doubt that it will be as popular as last years LOTR stuff, but thought I would advise the activity as TV News warned their viewers that it was on. ISPs may get customers asking about it or for support, etc. NZ Bloodstock will (hopefully) have the stream link on their website www.nzb.co.nz I have my usual spartan pages at www.r2.co.nz/20040126 The streaming traffic will be coming out of WIX / iHug addresses, not anycast, but will be my usual 5 bitrates including 384kbps (a very popular rate). I'm a bit confused about some of the dates for next week (I think the stress is getting to me), but there is streaming activity all week, with 2 events. It may be wrapped up by Friday or Saturday, depending on what happens (as I said, I've lost all sense of the dates, Si has just pointed it out). Thanks for your time. rich

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Telecom ATM outage
by Matthew Poole 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

There is currently a major ATM outage within Telecom. Effects apparent across the country (one of my employer's customers has 30-some sites around the country and only three of them have communications at present). No "official" word from Telecom, but a large number of major companies are affected by what is described as a "non-geographically-centred equipment issue". Anyone at Telecom able to give us something a little more verbose? Within the boundaries of "official company line", that is.

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Net4U Limited
by Anaru Hartley 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

I know everyone must be sick of hearing about The Adventures of 'Net4U' and it at one point, became some what of a Soap. But bare with me (and sorry if this is OT) as I think these two things need to be discussed openly - if they haven't been already (in which case I need to visit the NZNOG Archives). 1. Apart from "Pay your Bill on Time" what can an Individual or Company learn from Net4U's mistake(s)? 2. How can such things be prevented in the future, so that VISP's and customers are left High and Dry. Do measures need to be taken to prevent or minimize the damage created by such things? Cheers, Anaru. http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time.

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RE: [nznog] Jetstream without Telephone
by Donald Neal 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

> -----Original Message----- [...] > The requirement of a "telephone line" (ie analogue phone, as > opposed to a > cable pair), is nothing more than Telecom policy because they > can, which is > to be expected when they are allowed to do whatever they like. > But wait ... who's that masked man? Could it be the Commerce Commission? (You didn't want ADSL above 512kb, I take it?) - Donald Neal Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Jetstream without Telephone
by Cameron Kerr 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Hello all, I'm currently in the process of moving. Having had Telecom disconnect my phone-line at 12 noon, I've discovered I can still access the internet via Jetstream (which is getting moved on about Monday). I find it interesting that this is possible, and adds credance to the apparent fact that you don't need a phone connected (obviously you need the line though) to have Jetstream working. Could be interesting food for thought wrt to the unbundling report by the Commerce Commission. -- Cameron Kerr cameron.kerr(a)paradise.net.nz : http://nzgeeks.org/cameron/ Empowered by Perl!

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Conf reg close next Friday
by Tony McGregor 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

I'm delighted to say that conference registrations hit 100 last night. We have a working limit of about 120 so we've decided we must close registrations on Friday next week (23rd of January). It may also be the case that people who register late will miss out on some of the giveaways because of the lead time on ordering them. (Apologies in advance). We're looking forward to a very exciting conference. Tony and the crew. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095(w) +64 7 825 5047(h) Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz
by Tristram Cheer 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

I'll Dig Around Work, Think we got a oldish 80gb Seagate Cuda 4 Around doing nothing, if I find it it's yours -----Original Message----- From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry(a)unix.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 9:40 p.m. To: Tristram Cheer Subject: Re: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz 120gig ide would do. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Cheer" <james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz> To: "'NZ NOG'" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > What Type Of HDD You Need? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry(a)unix.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 6:15 p.m. > To: Drew Broadley; 'Matthew Poole' > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > daniel still runs the cvsup.nz.freebsd.org which is pretty good, just need > the distfiles. > > If someone gave me a hard drive i'd do it, just at least once a month my > bandwidth intl would be kak with all the downloads. > > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Broadley" <drew(a)iplaynz.com> > To: "'Matthew Poole'" <matt(a)p00le.net> > Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:58 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > I was wondering about this myself, even just hosting /usr/ports/ package > > folders (not src files) > > and a few ISO's would all that is required, and keep them up-to-date > > with a cvsup -r off cvs.freebsd.org > > > > Guesstimates > > > > | $ du -h -d 0 /usr/ports > > | 1004M /usr/ports > > > > ~ 1 GigaByte for FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE /usr/ports > > > > | $ du -h -d 0 /usr/ports/ > > | 343M /usr/ports/ > > > > ~ 340 MegaBytes /usr/ports for FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE /usr/ports > > > > Aswel as roughly 5 MINIISO's @ ~200MB each > > > > Total Guesstimate: 3 GigaBytes > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matthew Poole [mailto:matt(a)p00le.net] > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:05 PM > > > To: Barry Murphy > > > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > Contact Dan Langille (dan(a)langille.org, IIRC) if you want to > > > take over as the official ftp.nz FreeBSD mirror. The guys at > > > CallPlus have _NO_ clue about FreeBSD, and I wouldn't be > > > hugely surprised to find out that the mirror only survived > > > due to their ignorance. > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Barry Murphy wrote: > > > > > > > Would be nice if it had the freebsd mirror and even better > > > if it was > > > > ftp.nz.freebsd.org <-- that mirror died about 2 months ago, was > > > > apparently using too much space :( > > > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] > > > > Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 12:42 p.m. > > > > To: draggy(a)clear.net.nz > > > > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > Subject: Re: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > Does appear to have been a shonky ethernet card, it's all good now. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Si > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:47:56AM +1300, Simon Blake said: > > > > > It's a v. unhappy box, it looks like it may have thrown > > > an ethernet > > > > > controller. Should be going again later in the day. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Si > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:42:56AM +1300, > > > draggy(a)clear.net.nz said: > > > > > > Can anyone from Citylink or anyone else, advise as to > > > the status > > > > > > of this server. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have had a few comments about not being able to contact this > > > > > > server and have tried myself and cannot get to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains: > > > > > > ftp.nz.debian.org > > > > > > linux.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > IP: 210.48.103.6 > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz
by draggy＠clear.net.nz 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Can anyone from Citylink or anyone else, advise as to the status of this server. Have had a few comments about not being able to contact this server and have tried myself and cannot get to it. Domains: ftp.nz.debian.org linux.citylink.co.nz ftp.citylink.co.nz IP: 210.48.103.6 Cheers Simon

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NZNOG '04 Timetable.
by Jamie Curtis 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Hi all, Now available on the NZNOG '04 conference site is a draft timetable of events for the main programme on Thursday and Friday. You can get at it from: http://www.nznog.org/programme.php As you can see we have had to parallelize two sessions at the end of Friday due to a very full programme. While we were trying to avoid this if at all possible, the two sessions in question are both more technical versions of earlier introductory talks. We felt this was fairer than running one or both of these sessions in parallel with another speakers only presentation. The other option was to remove one of the introductory presentations and only have the in-depth presentation. NZNOG has a very broad audience however, and we felt we could not assume a minimum level of knowledge on these topics. Hopefully the number of people who are affected by this is small. Cheers, Jamie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Curtis email: jpc2(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz WAND Group Lab G1.03 phone +64 21 392 102 Computer Science Department, University of Waikato, New Zealand -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Verisign Plans DNS Changes
by Jeff Williams 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

All, Seems Verisign is updating .COM and .NET zones soon.. See: http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg00794.html and http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/01/08/HNverisigncom_1.html Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" - Pierre Abelard "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801

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RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Tim John - Domainz 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

>From the Domainz point of view, the only person who can legally cancel a domain name is the Name Holder. The DNC has the liberty to instruct us to cancel a name and Domainz itself has the right to terminate a registration, but only in extreme circumstances. I suspect that this and many other names have been registered 'for a laugh' in the past and the details used in the registration are real, if not the registrants. If the person who is nominated in the registration as the Name Holder is not in fact the legal holder, then the best thing to do is let the name expire when it comes up for renewal, unless the Name Holder (as shown) can contact us directly and request that it's cancelled. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Will Steele [mailto:willsteele(a)hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 11 January 2004 5:40 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here. Michael, 1) I am not employed or associated with ConceptNET as you suggested in your December post. 2) I believe it is against the Shared Registry's Terms of Service to use the whois for this sort of thing. 3) Domains are registered at a first come, first serve basis. The above domain was registered on the 28th March 2003, when I was being very stupid and immature, which I am (slowly) overcoming, but you don't seem to be helping. Please send me proof that Sahil is making these claims off list, or send anyone else the proof for that matter, because simply, you are generally full of shit. Get your facts straight before you post. If anyone from Domainz is subscribed to this list, or the DNC, please cancel the above domain, as I no longer have access to it, otherwise, its there to stay until it expires... And no, I'm not smiling. Will Steele "^god" _________________________________________________________________ Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ! _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you.

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Re: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Will Steele 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

So, you are saying you dont care? Why did you even post in the first place. There was no claims, as you have sent no proof to anyone. Like I said, get your facts straight. Domainz have set the domain not to be renewed, so this is the end of this topic. >From: Michael Hallager <michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz> >Reply-To: michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz >To: Tim John - Domainz <tim.john(a)domainz.net.nz> >CC: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here. >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:05:34 +1300 > >Thanks for the information Tim. Would "passing off" of a well known >industry >forum like NZNOG be considered "extreme (enough) circumstances"? >Does the DNC need a complaint in writing to action this? > >As for Will, go and sort it out with Sahil seeing that the pair of you are >friends again. The rest of us don't care. > > > From the Domainz point of view, the only person who can legally cancel a > > domain name is the Name Holder. The DNC has the liberty to instruct us >to > > cancel a name and Domainz itself has the right to terminate a >registration, > > but only in extreme circumstances. > > > > I suspect that this and many other names have been registered 'for a >laugh' > > in the past and the details used in the registration are real, if not >the > > registrants. If the person who is nominated in the registration as the >Name > > Holder is not in fact the legal holder, then the best thing to do is let > > the name expire when it comes up for renewal, unless the Name Holder (as > > shown) can contact us directly and request that it's cancelled. > > > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Steele [mailto:willsteele(a)hotmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, 11 January 2004 5:40 p.m. > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here. > > > > > > Michael, > > > > 1) I am not employed or associated with ConceptNET as you suggested in >your > > December post. > > 2) I believe it is against the Shared Registry's Terms of Service to use > > the > > > > whois for this sort of thing. > > 3) Domains are registered at a first come, first serve basis. > > > > The above domain was registered on the 28th March 2003, when I was being > > very stupid and immature, which I am (slowly) overcoming, but you don't > > seem > > > > to be helping. > > > > Please send me proof that Sahil is making these claims off list, or send > > anyone else the proof for that matter, because simply, you are generally > > full of shit. Get your facts straight before you post. > > > > If anyone from Domainz is subscribed to this list, or the DNC, please > > cancel > > > > the above domain, as I no longer have access to it, otherwise, its there >to > > stay until it expires... > > > > And no, I'm not smiling. > > > > Will Steele > > "^god" > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain > > legally privileged information intended only for the individual or >entity > > named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If > > you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, > > distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If >you > > have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning >the > > email and destroying the original. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > >-- >// Michael Hallager >Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > >URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz >networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking >equipment. > >Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) >Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) >Mobile: 027 477-7624 > >_______________________________________________ >NZNOG mailing list >NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - talk to family and friends overseas!

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RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Will Steele 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

Michael, 1) I am not employed or associated with ConceptNET as you suggested in your December post. 2) I believe it is against the Shared Registry's Terms of Service to use the whois for this sort of thing. 3) Domains are registered at a first come, first serve basis. The above domain was registered on the 28th March 2003, when I was being very stupid and immature, which I am (slowly) overcoming, but you don't seem to be helping. Please send me proof that Sahil is making these claims off list, or send anyone else the proof for that matter, because simply, you are generally full of shit. Get your facts straight before you post. If anyone from Domainz is subscribed to this list, or the DNC, please cancel the above domain, as I no longer have access to it, otherwise, its there to stay until it expires... And no, I'm not smiling. Will Steele "^god" _________________________________________________________________ Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming !

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DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Michael Hallager 09 Jan '04

09 Jan '04

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SSL Certificates query.
by Michael Hallager 09 Jan '04

09 Jan '04

Are they all somewhat equal? Anyone had any experience with "Chained SSL" certificates? // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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CertPatrol - watch your certs
by Dan Langille 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

All this talk of SSL certificates and with the recent expired Verisign certificate reminded me of this project I worked on. CertPatrol http://www.certpatrol.com/ keeps monitors your SSL certificates. A group of us created this free service over a year ago but haven't publicized it. Until now... cheers -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/

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Net4u troublemaking and fraud Watch out!
by Michael Hallager 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

Watch out people. Sahil and Net4U are now manufacturing totally bogus claims (Including claiming the existance of an invoice, which I have not seen, though if it exists it amounts to fraud) against myself and possibly other former clients. He sent me three B/S claims yesterday, which I refuted all of them so he kept changing his story every time. This guy will stop at nothing to get money in any way possible including lies and threats of Baycorp or the police (I am still waiting for him to lay any allegation) for a claimed but non-existant debt. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Something interesting
by Barry Murphy 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

I know this was spoken about and many people wondered how it could be done to share multiple internet connections for schools. I just found this to be interesting reading so here's the link... http://www.newswireless.net/articles/030120-locust.html "The impressive part is the ability to combine several broadband feeds. This is an option (it doesn't happen out of the box, but it's built in) - if there are 20 houses in the Mesh, but only four of them have broadband, all users can share all of those lines. It does add to network traffic; there's an estimated 10% increase in wireless load, says Lander. " Barry

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survey on BGP damping
by Beichuan Zhang 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

Hi, We are conducting a survey of BGP damping deployment and would greatly appreciate if you could take a few minutes to answer the following questions. There are a number of interesting results and various recommendations for damping settings. However, we have found only limited information on who does(does not) deploy damping and what parameter settings are selected in practice. If you are willing to participate, please send replies directly to us. We will collect the results (removing any private information regarding specific sites) and post the results to the list. Thanks! --- beichuan (1) Does your AS have BGP route flap damping turned on? * Yes * No (please skip to comments) (2) What damping parameters do you use? * Cisco Default * Juniper Default * RIPE recommendation * Customized (3) On which links do you enable damping? * To customers only * To providers * To peers * All the above (4) Comments Please tell us more such as: What kind of network are you managing (any specific names will be removed in the published study)? Why (why not) do you enable damping? If you enable damping, why did you choose your current parameters? Has your site seen specific problems that were prevented by damping (or caused by damping)? We welcome any other comments you feel are relevant. Thanks!

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Expired Verisign intermediate root certificate
by Matthew Poole 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

Just a warning to people who run servers with SSL certificates from Verisign, one of their intermediate root certificates expired at midnight (GMT) today. They appear to have signed SSL certs with a root which expires before the SSL cert does, causing all sorts of wonderful problems. http://www.verisign.com.au/support/carenewal/ has the new intermediate root, for people who have not yet installed it.

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FW: [members-discuss] Announcement of IPv6 Test-bed [ InternetNZ and CityLink] and the NZNOG Big Geek Program 04 28-30 Jan 2004
by Michael Sutton 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

FYI - see you all there :) -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces(a)internetnz.net.nz [mailto:members-discuss-bounces(a)internetnz.net.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Sutton Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 02:09 To: InternetNZ Members Discussion List Subject: [members-discuss] Announcement of IPv6 Test-bed [ InternetNZ and CityLink] and the NZNOG Big Geek Program 04 28-30 Jan 2004 Dear Members We are proud to let you know of our joint initiative with CityLink which will see InternetNZ provide funding necessary to enable a public access IPv6/IPv4 local Gateway and a one megabit low latency link for six months between APE6 and WIX6 for non commercial testing commencing in January 2004. Please read details at: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/communications/mr040105ipv6-test-bed.htm <http://www.internetnz.net.nz/communications/mr040105ipv6-test-bed.htm> CityLink will present this in operation at the NZNOG Big Geek Program 04, hosted by Waikato University. (28-30th) 3 days ~$120 Registration (discount until 9th January) http://www.nznog.org <http://www.nznog.org> . InternetNZ is a major sponsor of this conference and I shall attend presenting the technical case for Multicast enabling the New Zealand network as well as hosting a BoF on this Topic and network InterOperability initiatives which InternetNZ has been fostering over the past 6 months. At our last Council meeting it was agreed that we would also provide upto $2,500 of educational materials for this Conference. InternetNZ has ordered and is contributing technical books on how to enable Inter Domain Multicast services using Cisco and Juniper equipment. These will be distributed to those attending the Multicast BoF. If you can attend or help your engineers get some time to join us there we would really enjoy getting together and besides Roger DeSalis is sponsoring the Bar :) Peter Macaulay will also be there with other INZ councillors as he claims lineage as a proto-geek of the '60s :) Best regards Michael Sutton Councillor 2003-2004 Technical Committee Member. +64 21 305500

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Carpool to BGP aka NZNOG04
by Lin Nah 06 Jan '04

06 Jan '04

Hi all Just a short note to let you know that if you have a seat in your car for a passenger (or more) or if you wish to find a ride to Hamilton for the meet, email carpool(a)nznog.org. I'll attempt to pair up those who need a ride with those who can give it. For those needing rides I need to know where you are. For those offering rides, I need to know where you are driving from and when you hope to get to Hamilton (ie whether you intend to be there for the tutorials on Wed or for Thurs&Fri only) Don't leave it too late. regards lin

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(slightly OT) APEC TEL ... next meeting, Hong Kong 21-26 March
by Frank March 06 Jan '04

06 Jan '04

Folks: It is about a year since I last posted on the TEL ... apologies to those whose sense of deja vu is overwhelming. The APEC Telecommunications and Information Working Group (TEL) is highly productive and has a very strong private sector presence. It is very active in online & cyber security, privacy & authentication, telecommunications policy and regulation, broadband & NGI, and in promoting international co-operative projects in areas such as electronic commerce, research and education and many other areas relevant to telecommunications and the use and promotion of ICT generally in the APEC region. The TEL meets twice yearly in different APEC economies and attracts 200 to 300 delegates drawn from most of the APEC economies of whom up to half are from non-government and private organisations. Over the past several years, the New Zealand delegation to the TEL meetings has included a number of private sector members as well as officials from government agencies. Although TEL meetings are not suited to overt marketing activities, private sector delegates have found meetings useful for making contacts and networking opportunities. There is no registration fee for APEC TEL meetings, and the costs of at least some meals are met by sponsors, however delegates are expected to meet their own travel and accommodation costs. The next meeting (TEL29) will be in Hong Kong, 21-26 March 2004. Registrations are required by 21 February. Information about TEL29 may be found at http://www.apectel29.gov.hk (the website will be updated regularly) and further information and papers from previous meetings at http://www.apectel.org Please contact me if you are interested in joining the New Zealand delegation (you must be a member of an official delegation to attend) or if you would like any further information. And please pass this information on to anyone else you think might be interested. -- Frank March Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908 Senior Specialist Advisor Fax (+64 4) 474 2659 Information Technology Policy Group Mobile: (+64) 21 042 9205 Ministry of Economic Development, Wellington, New Zealand http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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NZNOG '04 Deadlines
by Tony McGregor 05 Jan '04

05 Jan '04

Conference plans are proceeding really well and it looks like we're going to have a great conference. We've got a good bunch of speakers on interesting topics including details of a major IPv6 announcement that you'll hear about in the next little while, wireless IP, VoIP, H.323 Video, NZ NGI, BGP, CityLink plans and a heap more. There'll be speakers from many of NZ's major ISPs and other major industry players and from vendors including Cisco and Juniper. We've added a day of workshops and tutorials to the program which will include APNIC's Internet Resource Management Essentials training course and Ian Hastie (Link Information Technology Limited) on Wireless Technology. We've received very generous sponsorship, including from our primary sponsors CityLink and major sponsor InternetNZ. Also from FX networks, the University and the WAND group. This has kept the cost to just $120 for all three days (including lunches, tea and coffee, tee shirt, coffee mug, sponsored bar, etc.) **NOTE*** YOU MUST REGISTER THIS WEEK to get the discounted registration fee or if you require on campus accommodation. If you know of people who might benefit from the conference but who don't regularly read NZNOG (e.g. major customers, operators of national private networks etc) we would be grateful if you would make them aware of the conference. Full details and registration are at: http://www.nznog.org/ Looking forward to seeing you there. Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095(w) +64 7 825 5047(h) Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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how much traffic does a Kiwi use?
by Jonathan Brewer 04 Jan '04

04 Jan '04

Hi there NZNOG folks, I ask this question with my academic hat* on, as a student in the Victoria MMIM program: How much Internet traffic does the average New Zealander generate/consume per month? I've found a plethora of statistics on how many dialup users are out there, how many ISDN and ADSL lines there, and even how many minutes Kiwis have spent on their dialup connections, (1550 million minutes/month[1]) but nothing on traffic. I have even had a look at a few non-public studies. I haven't, however, found anything about traffic. Results will go in a paper for MMIM 522 comparing e-Infrastructure of Ireland and New Zealand. TIA, and Cheers, Jonathan Brewer * for those of you TNC folks who know me with my 802.16 hat on [1] Howell, Bronwyn & Obren, Mark (2003) Telecommunications Usage in New Zealand: 1993-2003. Wellington: New Zealand Institute for the Study of Competition and Regulation

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W3C head Berners-Lee to be knighted
by Barry Murphy 04 Jan '04

04 Jan '04

Slightly off topic, but interesting... W3C head Berners-Lee to be knighted http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/12/31/HNblkinght_1.html By Grant Gross, IDG News Service December 31, 2003 World Wide Web founder to be given second highest rank of order Tim Berners-Lee, credited with inventing the World Wide Web and director of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), will be named a Knight Commander, Order of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth of the U.K., the W3C announced Wednesday. The rank of Knight Commander is the second highest rank of the Order of the British Empire. Berners-Lee, 48, a U.K. citizen who lives in the U.S., is being knighted in recognition of his "services to the global development of the Internet" through the invention of the World Wide Web. "This is an honor which applies to the whole Web development community, and to the inventors and developers of the Internet, whose work made the Web possible, " Berners-Lee said in a statement. "I accept this as an endorsement of the spirit of the Web; of building it in a decentralized way; of making best efforts to keep it open and fair; and of ensuring its fundamental technologies are available to all for broad use and innovation, and without having to pay licensing fees." The London-born Berners-Lee graduated from Oxford University in 1976. As a student there, he built his first computer using a soldering iron, an old television and other parts. In 1980, while Berners-Lee wrote the first program for storing information using the kind of random associations the brain makes. At the time, he worked as a consultant software engineer at CERN, often called the European Particle Physics Laboratory in Geneva. The Enquire program -- which was never published -- formed the conceptual basis for the future development of the Web, according to the W3C. While at CERN in 1989, he proposed a global hypertext project, designed to allow people to work together by combining their knowledge in a Web of hypertext documents. That hypertext project would become known as the World Wide Web. The program, WorldWideWeb, was first made available within CERN in December 1990, and all of Berners-Lee's code was made available on the Internet in the summer of 1991, according to information from the W3C. In 1994, Berners-Lee founded the World Wide Web Consortium, where he presently serves as director. The W3C coordinates Web development worldwide, and its goal is to lead the Web to its full potential, ensuring its stability through rapid evolution and revolutionary transformations of its usage. Berners-Lee joins several other U.K. citizens to receive honors from the Queen, including rock guitarist Eric Clapton, actor Pete Postlethwaite and author Philip Pullman.

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Fwd: 2004 network predictions.
by Richard Naylor 01 Jan '04

01 Jan '04

>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:24:46 -0500 (EST) >From: batz <batsy(a)vapour.net> >To: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: 2004 network predictions. > >Here are some dire predictions for 2004. > >While it would be easy to say that the world will end, >I think these are all things that reasonably could happen, >and we could act pre-emptively to mitigate their effects. > > >- Virus infections of handhelds and mobile phones > causing widespread problems for cell networks > similar to worms that flood out IP networks. > - Bonus points for a bluetooth infection vector. > - Extra bonus points if it floods newly minted > VoIP telecom networks. Grim. > >- E-mail whitelist technology gains mainstream acceptance > as spam hits critical mass. Spam recieved by astronauts > in space. > >- ISP's search for new business models realizing that wireless > providers are making a mint charging by the kilobyte, and more > users just surf at work. > >- Wireless network "terrorism" or "porn" incident galvanizes > legislators to force hotspot operators to get ID or credit > card numbers from customers. > >- Really Bad instant-messenger worm that we can't do anything > about because it doesn't use consistant tcp/udp ports. > >- ISP's use managed anti-virus/security to sell new managed services > to users. Birth of the fully provider managed home PC? > >- Affinity networks/six-degrees site privacy boondoggle. > One is caught selling access data to airlines or > transport security or something. Everyone feels sick > as Friendster acquired by Equifax? > >- Private crypted networks used for P2P. Call them blacknets, > darknets, or in true arrr-pirate fashion, booty-nets. > yo-ho-ho. > >- Successful virtual worm network forged after a > worm spreads its second phase and installs an onion > routed virtual network. Maybe a new P2P network? > >- Linux kernel made illegal, somewhere, for a minute. > Presidential candidate may admit to using it once, > but didn't look at the source. RIAA/MPAA/DMCA a > surprise US election issue. > >- LEA access to ISP's formalized, spearheaded by > Cisco and its "lawful interception" capability. > Court gag order placed on participating ISP's, > disgruntled admin leaks details to Cryptome or > Phrack. > >- More end-to-end control connections that > identify/validate/authenticate end users. Eg, > VPN's, SSL, PPP. An assault on anonymity and > stateless protocols, or technologies that interrupt > the statefulness of the connection between user and > their primary providers. (eg, WiFi, P2P, UDP, VoIP). > >- P2P on the road to obselescence caused by higher metred > bandwidth charges to home cable users in line with > wireless costs. While there is a glut of bandwidth > capacity available for transit, this is not the case > for end-user consumption. Cable providers will lower > bandwidth caps under the auspices of combatting piracy, > enabling them to actually make money. > > >Given these sort of predictions, I don't mind >being wrong. Have a good year, I'll post again >then. ;) > > >-- >batz

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Jan '04

01 Jan '04

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. A face-to-face gathering is to take place in Hamilton on January 28 to 30, hosted by the WAND group. That's THIS MONTH. See http://www.nznog.org/ for details. Register NOW if you're planning to attend. Also see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/about.html if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Internet Exchanges See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. See http://www.wix.net.nz/ for the Wellington Internet Exchange. And possibly http://www.citylink.co.nz/information/news/nr1068413489.html . About This Mailing List This list has around six hundred addresses subscribed. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Alcatel NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. One way to search the archive is to use google and prefix your search with site:list.waikato.ac.nz . Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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International Capacity... some more questions :)
by Don Gould - BVC 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

The other day someone mentioned that there was a host of other operators with wave legnths on the SXC and others. Can anyone tell me more about who they are? Can you also tell me any that deliver to a pop in Christchurch? Feel free to contact me off list... Cheers DiG -- Don Gould The technology exists to give every home 10mbits per second for $10 per month! Ask not what your telephone company should do for you... ...but what you can do for your broadband community!

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International connectivity
by Matthew Poole 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

At risk of pulling this list vaguely back on-topic, I'm curious about which ISPs in NZ carry their own international link(s) - That is, it's them at the NZ end and whoever they peer with at the other end, rather than going through another ISP or NSP within NZ. We all know about TelstraClear, Telecom/GG and the Hug, but are there any others?

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Link Networks / Networkstuff
by Michael Hallager 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

We are back online now. I expect that the websites and email will be available by tomorrow morning, as we have to renumber. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Re: Re: [nznog] (no subject)
by Anaru Hartley 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

> From: Anaru Hartley <tycoon275(a)yahoo.co.nz> > Date: 2003/12/30 Tue AM 01:42:35 GMT+13:00 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] (no subject) > > 18/F That is not me. > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Re: [nznog] (no subject)
by Anaru Hartley 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

18/F

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(no subject)
by Anaru Hartley 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

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Surprised it was as little as 50c
by Juha Saarinen 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2770024a13,00.html

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NZNOG-04 crew contact
by Richard Naylor 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

Anyone from the NZNOG-04 conference drew around at the moment ? please contact me off list tia - rich

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Broadband for all
by Peter Macaulay 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

The bad LLU decision is doing some good. We moving from talk to action. On balance I don't think bundled or unbundled LL will make a lot of difference. Once we get past the initial dip in momentum of the BB uptake caused by the poorly structured Telecom ADSL marketing, the alternatives will create the steep upcurve we need to ensure the everyone has access to real broadband. One of the things InternetNZ pays me to do is to find and support ways make this happen. BB is too important to leave to telcos, governments, committees, NGOs, and local authorities. The more more models being developed, the better the chance of getting one or more right. Here are some points I would like you to consider, and where appropriate act. 1) Support all local BB initiatives. I am impressed with the stuff list contributors are doing. Real impact! 2) Encourage your local council to act. For example Manakau City http://www.manukau.govt.nz/smartmanukau.htm have taken a simple step by ensuring that conduit is in place for all new subdivisions. I will meet with Banksy (Auckland City) early in the new year. 3) Put pressure on the telcos to change their thinking. If they don't they won't have much to worry about in five years apart from managing a sunset business. 4) Support legislative improvements (not more legislation!) to support BB e.g.. create opportunities for glass to go in every time a hole is dug. Most ministers are supportive, but don't see the vision. 5) Encourage the telcos to keep supporting the interop facilitation headed by Judy Speight. This initiative has the potential to pre-empt many of the issues surrounding the hooking up of local initiatives. The level of Telco support has been surprising and seems genuine. 6) The lack of support of TUANZ is a concern http://www.tuanz.org.nz/url.cfm?pg=23 I have provided a list of issues to Ernie Newman. Members should ask TUANZ why they believe there are no interop issues that the telcos won't resolve 6) Don't worry whether people want BB. Not enough spenders wants innovative thinking until it is no longer innovative. The apps to make BB everything we envision will not appear until enough of the spenders have it. Who would have guessed the uptake of texting? 7) Talk to marketing people about this. They need to learn about what we will deliver to allow them to build the markets for the new stuff. 8) Talk to everyone about the shift away from telco-think to net-think. toll rates will no longer be the way to make a profit. 9) Don't be concerned over traffic models or uses for BB. Nobody knows where it is going. It is still interesting to think about it though. 10) Make outrageous press statements. 11) Support the NGI team as they work to create the new Academic & Research BB environment. 12 Secretly develop your new killer app. 13) Give me things to do. Feel free to contact me directly. Do we need a new list for this topic? -- Peter Macaulay Executive Director InternetNZ Direct +64 4 495 2113

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Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc.
by Richard Naylor 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

At 05:30 p.m. 27/12/2003 +1300, Steve Withers wrote: >On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 10:00, Richard Naylor wrote: > > > Personally I agree with him. NZ has had the *best* deregulated environment > > for the past 12 years and has largely squandered that advantage. > >It was never going to work - which was obvious from the outset. :-) > >So deregulation failed to deliver what was promised for it. It failed because people failed to understand it. They still wait for someone else to do it for them and complain about what Telecom do or don't do. Why not do it yourself. There were absolutely no barriers to doing just that, just laziness and ignorance. TUANZ just bleated on about number portability and interconnect and failed to see what else was on offer. They've finally woken up to broadband - about 6 years too late. >Is that really news to anyone? The same thing has happened almost >everywhere there was a dominant player effectively controlling the >market. I would disagree Steve. The dominant player is also bogged down with entrenched thinking and a huge investment in equipment thats past its use by date. Hence the earlier debate about architecture et al. So you just compete by being massively better. Its not hard when cheap gig switches are under $300 >There was - in real terms - no opportunity to be squandered. The >cost/price curves never met for competitors - because Telecom was gifted >an infrastructure that cost far more to build than what they paid for >it. The competitors tried playing on the same playing field. At a time when technology is rampantly changing, the trick is to make your own playing field using the new stuff. rich

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RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Richard Naylor 28 Dec '03

28 Dec '03

At 11:08 a.m. 29/12/2003 +1300, Tony Wicks wrote: >I hate to be a stick in the mud, but once you have your Auckland to >Wellington fiber, you will then need a second one to back it up for the >times that someone dig's it up while putting in a new drain. And then >getting across the cook straight etc etc. Couldn't agree more Tony. I just wanted to show how "cheap" it was, but also that there is a market for it. I was going to say "if only someone had the time" but Roger did and has (almost) done it. I also think we need to add to this discussion that its easy to talk about building a network, but running one needs a certain experience that isn't easy to get hold of. There's a huge difference between running a few routers/wireless nodes and a network. We struggle with this at CityLink. A utility network just thinks differently and works differently and does things differently. Just because you can use a handycam, it doesn't mean you can run a TV station. Equally, just because you have a few routers, servers and wireless link, doesn't mean you can run a network. I learned a HUGE amount and have HUGE respect for the guys I worked for in the power industry for 14 years. I hope I use that learning well. Yes DO build networks, but look at how the others OPERATE. rich Tony is so right about the cable getting cut. You have to be aware it IS going to happen. We once had teh same substation catch fire twice on ONE week end (we could change the whole sub with a crane - kerbside kiosk type). Equally just after spending 3 night shifting our first CityLink node (about 5-600 fiber ccts) a major cable got cut. You have to have spares for multiple hits, have the resources (people) and proceedures so that things get done even when you're a zombie. I worked 120 hours that week on 9 hrs sleep - 2 of which were in my bed. The cut was on june 13, 2003 - a friday.

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Fwd: Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Michael Hallager 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

I can supply a high speed reliable wireless connection to any of six local schools, at a speed that exceeds "broadband" at a price far cheaper and a level of service far better, then any government scheme can. Whether I wish to put up with teachers and BOT's left wing stance that I owe it to them... for free (Almost)... is another matter. > I also think that if the telecoms providers and ISPs of NZ can't build > and operate a network for schools / police / fire service / whatever > that meets their requirements, then the government itself should build > such a network. > > I say this becasue today we spend billions on stuffing Telecom NZ's and > TelstraClear's pockets.....and the profit alone on that service would > build a kick-ass national network that would meet the infrastructural > aims and goals I have in mind. > > We have seen so far in NZ that private network providers - mainly > Telecom, but they aren't alone - are likely more expensive in the medium > and long term - at the end of the day - than a publicly-funded, > cost-recovery network would be. > > As Richard naylor has said: Why not just do it yourself? > > Is that a question to individuals only? Or could the people of New > Zealand hear that quesiton and respond? > > I agree that deregulation presented opportunity.....but where is the > competition we were supposed to see? > > It isn't there....and Telecom NZ remains the most profitable telco in > the OECD - pound for inch....and mainly becasue they were gifted - by > Richard Prebble - a publicly funded and built infrastructure that no one > else today can afford to match. > > I'll be quiet now. -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624 ------------------------------------------------------- -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
by Michael Hallager 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

Is anyone else receiving the below message *every* time they post? Or is this just Craig continuing on his little tantrum? ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: DBMAIL: delivery failure Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:23 From: postmaster(a)concept.net.nz To: michael(a)vivid.net.nz This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program. I'm sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to will(a)concept.net.nz, could not be delivered due to the following error. *** E-mail address will(a)concept.net.nz is not known here. *** If you think this message is incorrect please contact postmaster(a)concept.net.nz. Header of your message follows... --- header of your message --- Received: (qmail 31143 invoked by uid 511); 28 Dec 2003 10:23:49 -0000 Received: from nznog-bounces+will=concept.net.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz by smtp.nz.conceptnetworks.net by uid 502 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (sophie: 3.04/2.17/3.74. spamassassin: 2.60. Clear:RC:0(130.217.66.62):SA:0(0.0/5.0):. Processed in 3.915547 secs); 28 Dec 2003 10:23:49 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (130.217.66.62) by smtp.nz.conceptnetworks.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 10:23:45 -0000 Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BD5127D05; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:23:08 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (mailserv.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.61]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A253127CFA for <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:23:05 +1300 (NZDT) X-Envelope-From: michael(a)vivid.net.nz X-Envelope-To: <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Received: from dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz (loadbalancer-VIP.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.2]) by mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBSAN4mu002510 for <NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:23:05 +1300 Received: from port-219-88-255-22.orcon.net.nz (port-219-88-255-22.orcon.net.nz [219.88.255.22]) by dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-5) with ESMTP id hBSAJtBV006000; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:19:56 +1300 From: Michael Hallager <michael(a)vivid.net.nz> Organization: networkStuff ltd To: Robert McDonald <rob(a)nzpages.net> Subject: Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:26:40 +1300 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031228083857.00F7A82795(a)smtp-1.paradise.net.nz> <1072602335.18746.7.camel(a)tbird> <200312282246.02855.rob(a)nzpages.net> In-Reply-To: <200312282246.02855.rob(a)nzpages.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312282326.40081.michael(a)vivid.net.nz> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Cc: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz X-BeenThere: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: michael(a)vivid.net.nz List-Id: New Zealand Network Operators Group <nznog.list.waikato.ac.nz> List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog> List-Post: <mailto:nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> List-Help: <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>, <mailto:nznog-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=subscribe> --- end of header --- . ------------------------------------------------------- -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Michael Hallager 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

> This may be true for you and your community, but where I live, where lots > of people can't get stable modem connections, and can't connect faster than > say 14.4K, there are people screaming for alternatives. We have lots of > wireless "home" customers for lots and lots of different reasons, and most > of them are not in the geek category. Our community is extremely low > density population pockets, and delivering wireless over extremely diverse > topography presents extreme challenges, and in many cases the up to $20K > installation costs are offputting to the customer. Problem: If you can't get better then 14.4k connections, how are you going to internet feed your wireless POP? Telecom does not install frame connections on poor copper due to QOS SLA's. That is where the 20k install cost comes from. (Which I guess you are well aware of). Though given all of the costs involved, do you actually make money supplying home users in low density population areas?

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RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Tristram Cheer 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

I'm yet to see a school in Wellington that has access to ADSL that isn't on it, I don't speak for all schools in NZ just the 90% I IT knowledge of their layout. Regards -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Dean [mailto:jon.dean(a)simplicity.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 11:12 p.m. To: Tristram Cheer Subject: Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:38, Tristram Cheer wrote: > Most School are already on ADSL already, most in Wellington clock up A LOT > (Re: 5 figure's) of traffic so I doubt the amount of business gained would > counterbalance the loss of income from schools moving from ADSL to Wifi > Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know > > Tristram Most schools are not on DSL. Probably in excess of 90% are on dialup. Which has known monthly cost of ~$27.00 vs ???? on DSL. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/7qxve/+/JCBbkYgRAuzAAJ4w2KD1n5zv09wLD88N50IeBg9bhgCeNWUQ xMBju1RjVgyOBJVmFpa/xNE= =KwtC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD!
by Tristram Cheer 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

4 - That's the lite version. The point it is that it's possible - its not the nicest of routing table I give you that but its possible Regards Tristram -----Original Message----- From: Tony Wicks [mailto:nzog(a)road.gen.nz] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:52 p.m. To: Tristram Cheer Subject: RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! 4 is not quite hundreds. -----Original Message----- From: Tristram Cheer [mailto:james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:49 p.m. To: nzog(a)road.gen.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! www.fatpipeinc.com It is possible - Novell Small Business Suite 6 Include's FatPipe Internet which allows for 4 connections to be combined as one, with load balancing Regards Tristram -----Original Message----- From: Tony Wicks [mailto:nzog(a)road.gen.nz] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:43 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! ah, guys, I hate to point out the blaringly obvious, but you can't just get 100x128k (or more) connections and stick them together and think you have 12 meg of real bandwidth. It just doesn't work that way, there is no device that load balances 100 (or more !) http (or whatever) connections out lots of little pipes, and if there was it would be utterly chaotic and unworkable. Also remember, ISP's only survive because they can oversell the wholesale bandwith they buy. When you buy your 128k Jetstart connection, your are NOT buying 128k of Internet dedicated to you. If all the users used all of their bandwith ALL ISP's would go broke in a matter of months. -----Original Message----- From: Don Gould - BVC [mailto:dig(a)bvc.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:38 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc. FUD! Hi Mark, On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:50:00 +1300 (NZDT), Mark Foster wrote > http://www.telecom.co.nz/chm/0,5123,100633-200550,00.html Thanks for the reference. > "If you are acquiring our Jetstream service for private, residential > purposes".... I had a quick look at those T&C and it didn't seem to indicate that there were any conditions placed on what I do with the service. As I understand it Telecom has been challanged on issues like this before with relation to their telephone service where small businesses are operating from home. > Where the service is being obtained for a purpose that doesnt fit > into the above the t&c for business customers comes into affect- > and jetstream starter is a residential product, can only be given > to residential customers. What is the difference between a business and residential service? In Australia most people seem to agree that it's the level of back up you can expect. If something breaks business customers get seen to first - are we so different here? > As much as Rob's comment looks like FUD there's an element of truth. 100% Agree. Most FUD always has an element of truth... let me give you an example... What do you think would happen if Telecom were to sue (as suggested by Robert) a New Zealand family for sharing part of their JetStart connection with their local school? Would the kids give up their $10 a month TXT and be content with using a little less txt on a Vodafone mobile and then tell all their friends to do the same? (I won't even go into the field day that Vodafone would have with that one!) Would the family cancel their ADSL account, Sky Accont and home phone line accounts then switch to Telstra cable, with their pay tv offering and then tell all their relations to do the same? Would mum and dad put preasure on their employers to move their data, mobile and voice services away from Telecom and to another provider? Could 800 Students ranging in age from 12 to 17 have a huge impact on a telephone company if said telephone company started to sue them... [1] > Schools are businesses and are charged business rates. Schools are in the business of teaching our children. Those children go on to become the future of New Zealand. Children are some of the biggest buyers of telecommunication products and services - least Telecom forget that. > Telecom also > cut them various deals to get online as economically as possible. Thanks for the info. Cheers DiG [1] Have a quick look at what's happening in the US where families have been sued by the music industry - suing a child does not make you look good in the press! -- Don Gould The technology exists to give every home 10mbits per second for $10 per month! Ask not what your telephone company should do for you... ...but what you can do for your broadband community! _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc.
by Ewen McNeill 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

In message <20031227043006.M87348(a)bvc.com.au>, "Don Gould - BVC" writes: On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:16:11 +1300, Simon Blake wrote >> <shrug> Stand for your council, and make a difference - if you could >> get 1% of the cash spent on Auckland roads spent on Auckland fibre >> to the home, you'd be awash in high speed data. > >Now that makes sense! How often to councils have elections? Every three years; the next set is next year (2004) IIRC. And for those that think Simon is joking, he's not. Even if you can't get any budget set aside for installing fibre, just ensuring that council ducts are put in each time the road is opened up for some other reason (eg, Wellington has some large holes in the CBD at present for upgrading the storm water system -- it'd be a shame if they were closed up again without ducts having been put in alongside), and some sensible approach for operators to gain access to those council ducts would make a huge difference. For that matter coordinating the installation of wiring/ducts/etc into the roads, so that the costs of digging is shared, would help -- especially if it were made a condition of any road works permits. And you could probably sell it to the public on reduced inconvenience (eg, road only dug up once in 6 months, rather than three times) alone. Some councils (eg, Wellington) have special coordination teams to help movies be made around the town; it seems to me that a similar amount of money spent on a few clueful people to coordinate shared ducts, shared digging, etc, would achieve similarly large rewards for relatively little money. Ewen

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Re: right of reply.
by Michael Hallager 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

I have plenty of email correspondence (And several phonecalls) from Craig after that meeting, including a quote, a request to buy a Cisco WIC1T from me, an offer of free Cisco IOS software (Which I didn't take) and yet another bad mouth gossip peice about a company he has since jumped in to bed with. Craig has not taken up my offer to discuss his claimed problem in private, as he does not have a problem, merely a well deserved reputation for bad mouthing people, including other list members, with LIES in private, and now public forums. I am fully aware that I am one of many people on the receiving end of Craigs lies and gossip. As for Wills post, he is an employee of ConceptNet, hardly "independant contribution". Given Craigs OWN reputation I find it astonishing that he "throws stones in a glass house". > Oh go away. > > If you want to discuss this privately, do so. It is not list material. > > I refused to answer your phonecalls after that meeting for a reason. > > THE END. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 12:40 a.m. > To: Craig Spiers > Cc: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: right of reply. > > You were very happy to quote me for an internet connection only 3 months > ago. > > The only thing that has happened since then is that I went to Net4U rather > then your company - ConceptNet. > > Excluding limited internet connectivity, my business is fine. It is not "my > fault" as you claim, as I did not cause Net4U to be disconnected by any > streach of your imagination. > As widely known, Telecom disconnected Net4U due to an alledged credit issue > and this had a downstream effect on me. > > I never post about you. I never initiate an email to you and I have only > ever had one meeting with you where you wanted (HAPPILY) to sell me > internet connectivity. > Despite this, you have a history of writing rude emails to me about nothing > at all, which is why you were blocked at my MX server recently. > > I suggest that you take your own advice in A, B, C and D and hope very much > that *your* business never has any "problems" at all, in case you end up > having to swallow some of *your* own medicine. > > I am disapointed at the demise of Net4U. In the short time I had a frame > relay link with them, Sahil gave me very good service and was responsive to > my requirements. > > *************************************************************************** >* ************ > If you wish to discuss anything in an appropriate manner, I suggest that > you write me an email directly, including outlining any issues that you > would like to sort out (I truely have no idea what they are) and we will > handle this in a businesslike manner. > *************************************************************************** >* ************ > > Otherwise I suggest that you discontinue this, rather then posting > unrelated untrue, immature and defamitory garbage to the NZNOG list. > > Michael Hallager > > > This I don't think is worth continuing.. > > > > A) your not worth arguing with. > > B) right now I have better things to do > > C) im sure your business has its own problems right now, and its your > > own fault really. > > D) get over it. > > E) before you ask, I refuse to help you. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:57 p.m. > > To: Craig Spiers > > Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > Networksoutage > > > > The business deals that say that you should watch what you say in > > public, lest it come back to you. > > > > > Could possibly be.. What business deal are we talking about? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:51 p.m. > > > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > > Networksoutage > > > > > > Could this be the SAME Craig Spiers that big time bad mouths people > > > in private and then promptly goes and does business deals with them? > > > > > > > I think it'd be a waste of time most people replying.. Considering > > > > what your like to deal with. > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:27 p.m. > > > > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > Subject: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > > > Networks outage > > > > > > > > Hello all. > > > > > > > > As of the 24th of December, all of our websites have been offline > > > > and our email unavailable due to the Net4U issue. > > > > > > > > As we were running all of this via a frame relay connection > > > > supplied by Net4u, we are experiencing delays getting back online > > > > until an alternative ISP can be found. > > > > > > > > I believe that we are close to closing a deal with another ISP, > > > > though I would welcome offers from other Auckland based ISPs, > > > > because I double appreciate the need for a "plan B" after this > > > > suddenly happening at the worst possible time. > > > > > > > > The requirements are: > > > > > > > > 1. Telecom ATM at ISP end. > > > > 2. A minimum of a /26, though a /25 would be preferred. > > > > 3. Delegated reverse DNS for IP addresses. > > > > 4. 10Gb per month of international and flatrate national. > > > > 5. Dreamers wanting 20 cents per meg for claimed "wholesale > > data" > > > > > need not apply. I have more important things to do right > > > > now then waste my time or yours on such nonsense. > > > > > > > > If you are a "virtual ISP", do not bother applying either, as I > > > > can easy go to your upline and deal direct with those who actually > > > > have responsibility for the network. > > > > > > > > The circuit type at my end is a frame relay and the tail circuit > > > > is owned by my company. > > > > > > > > I can ONLY be reached at: michael(a)vivid.net.nz or below phone > > > > numbers. (After hours and weekend is fine). > > > > > > > > // Michael Hallager > > > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading > > > > supplier of high quality used networking equipment. > > > > > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > -- > > > // Michael Hallager > > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > > > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > > > equipment. > > > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > -- > > // Michael Hallager > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > > equipment. > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > -- > // Michael Hallager > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > equipment. > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > Mobile: 027 477-7624 -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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right of reply.
by Michael Hallager 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

You were very happy to quote me for an internet connection only 3 months ago. The only thing that has happened since then is that I went to Net4U rather then your company - ConceptNet. Excluding limited internet connectivity, my business is fine. It is not "my fault" as you claim, as I did not cause Net4U to be disconnected by any streach of your imagination. As widely known, Telecom disconnected Net4U due to an alledged credit issue and this had a downstream effect on me. I never post about you. I never initiate an email to you and I have only ever had one meeting with you where you wanted (HAPPILY) to sell me internet connectivity. Despite this, you have a history of writing rude emails to me about nothing at all, which is why you were blocked at my MX server recently. I suggest that you take your own advice in A, B, C and D and hope very much that *your* business never has any "problems" at all, in case you end up having to swallow some of *your* own medicine. I am disapointed at the demise of Net4U. In the short time I had a frame relay link with them, Sahil gave me very good service and was responsive to my requirements. **************************************************************************************** If you wish to discuss anything in an appropriate manner, I suggest that you write me an email directly, including outlining any issues that you would like to sort out (I truely have no idea what they are) and we will handle this in a businesslike manner. **************************************************************************************** Otherwise I suggest that you discontinue this, rather then posting unrelated untrue, immature and defamitory garbage to the NZNOG list. Michael Hallager > This I don't think is worth continuing.. > > A) your not worth arguing with. > B) right now I have better things to do > C) im sure your business has its own problems right now, and its your own > fault really. > D) get over it. > E) before you ask, I refuse to help you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:57 p.m. > To: Craig Spiers > Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > Networksoutage > > The business deals that say that you should watch what you say in public, > lest it come back to you. > > > Could possibly be.. What business deal are we talking about? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:51 p.m. > > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > Networksoutage > > > > Could this be the SAME Craig Spiers that big time bad mouths people in > > private and then promptly goes and does business deals with them? > > > > > I think it'd be a waste of time most people replying.. Considering > > > what your like to deal with. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:27 p.m. > > > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > > Networks outage > > > > > > Hello all. > > > > > > As of the 24th of December, all of our websites have been offline > > > and our email unavailable due to the Net4U issue. > > > > > > As we were running all of this via a frame relay connection supplied > > > by Net4u, we are experiencing delays getting back online until an > > > alternative ISP can be found. > > > > > > I believe that we are close to closing a deal with another ISP, > > > though I would welcome offers from other Auckland based ISPs, > > > because I double appreciate the need for a "plan B" after this > > > suddenly happening at the worst possible time. > > > > > > The requirements are: > > > > > > 1. Telecom ATM at ISP end. > > > 2. A minimum of a /26, though a /25 would be preferred. > > > 3. Delegated reverse DNS for IP addresses. > > > 4. 10Gb per month of international and flatrate national. > > > 5. Dreamers wanting 20 cents per meg for claimed "wholesale data" > > > need not apply. I have more important things to do right > > > now then waste my time or yours on such nonsense. > > > > > > If you are a "virtual ISP", do not bother applying either, as I can > > > easy go to your upline and deal direct with those who actually have > > > responsibility for the network. > > > > > > The circuit type at my end is a frame relay and the tail circuit is > > > owned by my company. > > > > > > I can ONLY be reached at: michael(a)vivid.net.nz or below phone numbers. > > > (After hours and weekend is fine). > > > > > > // Michael Hallager > > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > > > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > > > equipment. > > > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > -- > > // Michael Hallager > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > > equipment. > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > -- > // Michael Hallager > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > equipment. > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > Mobile: 027 477-7624 -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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How much is enough ?
by Richard Naylor 26 Dec '03

26 Dec '03

I need some feedback, comments or whatever.... The average house has a 230V feed good for 60amps. It suits most people apart from a few with fixations on large swimming pools, huge sauna, large lathes, and growing pot. (power bills or substation loads were a dead give away) They got 3 phase power or jail. Almost no one ever got 11kV. (I say no one because we did supply several businesses that way) What is the data equivalent to a 230v 60 amp supply ? 10 100 100 Mbps ? 10mbps - too slow generally 1/2 duplex gets ugly as it gets max'd out. 100mbps - cheap, reliable, goes well. MPEG-2 fits in nicely (6mbps) so a house would get say 10 simultaneous TV channels eaisly (newer codecs like MPEG4/DiVX work for the same quality at 1.5mbps, so as faster cpus come into wider use bandwidth gets conserved). 100mbps allows very easy power+data on one tail. Routing/firewall is easy and cheap at wire speed. 1000mbps - becoming cheap. also reliable. might mean power on separate cable or less power available. Firewalls/routers expensive unless you home brew..... So - what is it ? TIA - rich

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Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve Networks outage
by Michael Hallager 26 Dec '03

26 Dec '03

Could this be the SAME Craig Spiers that big time bad mouths people in private and then promptly goes and does business deals with them? > I think it'd be a waste of time most people replying.. Considering what > your like to deal with. > > :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:27 p.m. > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve Networks > outage > > Hello all. > > As of the 24th of December, all of our websites have been offline and our > email unavailable due to the Net4U issue. > > As we were running all of this via a frame relay connection supplied by > Net4u, we are experiencing delays getting back online until an alternative > ISP can be found. > > I believe that we are close to closing a deal with another ISP, though I > would welcome offers from other Auckland based ISPs, because I double > appreciate the need for a "plan B" after this suddenly happening at the > worst possible time. > > The requirements are: > > 1. Telecom ATM at ISP end. > 2. A minimum of a /26, though a /25 would be preferred. > 3. Delegated reverse DNS for IP addresses. > 4. 10Gb per month of international and flatrate national. > 5. Dreamers wanting 20 cents per meg for claimed "wholesale data" > need not apply. I have more important things to do right > now then waste my time or yours on such nonsense. > > If you are a "virtual ISP", do not bother applying either, as I can easy go > to your upline and deal direct with those who actually have responsibility > for the network. > > The circuit type at my end is a frame relay and the tail circuit is owned > by my company. > > I can ONLY be reached at: michael(a)vivid.net.nz or below phone numbers. > (After hours and weekend is fine). > > // Michael Hallager > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > equipment. > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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RE: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve Networksoutage
by Craig Spiers 26 Dec '03

26 Dec '03

This I don't think is worth continuing.. A) your not worth arguing with. B) right now I have better things to do C) im sure your business has its own problems right now, and its your own fault really. D) get over it. E) before you ask, I refuse to help you. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:57 p.m. To: Craig Spiers Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve Networksoutage The business deals that say that you should watch what you say in public, lest it come back to you. > Could possibly be.. What business deal are we talking about? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:51 p.m. > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > Networksoutage > > Could this be the SAME Craig Spiers that big time bad mouths people in > private and then promptly goes and does business deals with them? > > > I think it'd be a waste of time most people replying.. Considering > > what your like to deal with. > > > > :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:27 p.m. > > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve > > Networks outage > > > > Hello all. > > > > As of the 24th of December, all of our websites have been offline > > and our email unavailable due to the Net4U issue. > > > > As we were running all of this via a frame relay connection supplied > > by Net4u, we are experiencing delays getting back online until an > > alternative ISP can be found. > > > > I believe that we are close to closing a deal with another ISP, > > though I would welcome offers from other Auckland based ISPs, > > because I double appreciate the need for a "plan B" after this > > suddenly happening at the worst possible time. > > > > The requirements are: > > > > 1. Telecom ATM at ISP end. > > 2. A minimum of a /26, though a /25 would be preferred. > > 3. Delegated reverse DNS for IP addresses. > > 4. 10Gb per month of international and flatrate national. > > 5. Dreamers wanting 20 cents per meg for claimed "wholesale data" > > need not apply. I have more important things to do right > > now then waste my time or yours on such nonsense. > > > > If you are a "virtual ISP", do not bother applying either, as I can > > easy go to your upline and deal direct with those who actually have > > responsibility for the network. > > > > The circuit type at my end is a frame relay and the tail circuit is > > owned by my company. > > > > I can ONLY be reached at: michael(a)vivid.net.nz or below phone numbers. > > (After hours and weekend is fine). > > > > // Michael Hallager > > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > > equipment. > > > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > -- > // Michael Hallager > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > equipment. > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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RE: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve Networks outage
by Craig Spiers 26 Dec '03

26 Dec '03

Fair enough.. Thanks to all those who also commented! -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:40 p.m. To: Craig Spiers Subject: Re: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve Networks outage and your opinion is clearly worth nothing. keep it to yourself craig. > I think it'd be a waste of time most people replying.. Considering > what your like to deal with. > > :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)vivid.net.nz] > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 11:27 p.m. > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve Networks > outage > > Hello all. > > As of the 24th of December, all of our websites have been offline and > our email unavailable due to the Net4U issue. > > As we were running all of this via a frame relay connection supplied > by Net4u, we are experiencing delays getting back online until an > alternative ISP can be found. > > I believe that we are close to closing a deal with another ISP, though > I would welcome offers from other Auckland based ISPs, because I > double appreciate the need for a "plan B" after this suddenly > happening at the worst possible time. > > The requirements are: > > 1. Telecom ATM at ISP end. > 2. A minimum of a /26, though a /25 would be preferred. > 3. Delegated reverse DNS for IP addresses. > 4. 10Gb per month of international and flatrate national. > 5. Dreamers wanting 20 cents per meg for claimed "wholesale data" > need not apply. I have more important things to do right > now then waste my time or yours on such nonsense. > > If you are a "virtual ISP", do not bother applying either, as I can > easy go to your upline and deal direct with those who actually have > responsibility for the network. > > The circuit type at my end is a frame relay and the tail circuit is > owned by my company. > > I can ONLY be reached at: michael(a)vivid.net.nz or below phone numbers. > (After hours and weekend is fine). > > // Michael Hallager > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking > equipment. > > Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) > Mobile: 027 477-7624 > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Networkstuff Ltd / Link Networks / Comsolve Networks outage
by Michael Hallager 26 Dec '03

26 Dec '03

Hello all. As of the 24th of December, all of our websites have been offline and our email unavailable due to the Net4U issue. As we were running all of this via a frame relay connection supplied by Net4u, we are experiencing delays getting back online until an alternative ISP can be found. I believe that we are close to closing a deal with another ISP, though I would welcome offers from other Auckland based ISPs, because I double appreciate the need for a "plan B" after this suddenly happening at the worst possible time. The requirements are: 1. Telecom ATM at ISP end. 2. A minimum of a /26, though a /25 would be preferred. 3. Delegated reverse DNS for IP addresses. 4. 10Gb per month of international and flatrate national. 5. Dreamers wanting 20 cents per meg for claimed "wholesale data" need not apply. I have more important things to do right now then waste my time or yours on such nonsense. If you are a "virtual ISP", do not bother applying either, as I can easy go to your upline and deal direct with those who actually have responsibility for the network. The circuit type at my end is a frame relay and the tail circuit is owned by my company. I can ONLY be reached at: michael(a)vivid.net.nz or below phone numbers. (After hours and weekend is fine). // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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Interesting NBR story apropos "ADSL broadband" etc
by Juha Saarinen 26 Dec '03

26 Dec '03

http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=7877&cid=3&cname=Technology -- Juha

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Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc.
by Ewen McNeill 26 Dec '03

26 Dec '03

In message <3FECEE8B.1020209(a)saarinen.org>, Juha Saarinen writes: >I don't want to sound defeatist, but I think I'll be withered and dead >long before there's an affordable alternative to DSL outside the >Auckland CBD. I'm outside the Auckland CBD.[0] I've got a 2 Mbps down, 256 kbps up link to my house. That, plus my phone line, come to under $120/month total. To my mind that's affordable.[2] You might point out that this is also supplied by a telco, and that's true these days. But it wasn't originally set up by a telco. If you set your target as "DSL everywhere" then frankly I don't think all that much is going to be achieved. 1Mbps, 2Mbps, or even 10Mbps is so 1990s. I've been pleasantly surprised with just how successful DSL has been (internationally), given that it wasn't so many years ago we were told the POTS lines were good for 9600bps with a tail wind and not a bit more. But it's basically a dancing bear. Much as I think the Commerce Commission decision was probably the wrong decision for New Zealand[3], it's not really a major problem. All it means is that the Government isn't going to provide. Time for some Kiwi ingunity. Ewen [0] Approximately 800km outside the Auckland CBD, but that's outside the Auckland CBD.[1] [1] I'm not even sure why the Auckland CBD is the point of reference; there are other cities in New Zealand with better high speed connectivity. 100Mbps connections for less than what I know some organisations are paying for a single E1 across town in other cities. [2] For about $15 more per month I could get "pay TV" as well. Not that that'd be a whole lot of use, since I don't have a TV. [3] Cheap DSL everywhere would have been better than the current situation assuming it could be rolled out over a year or two -- as the Australia experience suggests.

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Re: Re: [nznog] Commerce Commission - bitstream etc.
by Jonny Martin 26 Dec '03

26 Dec '03

> It's almost 2004... we should be looking at tens of Mbps services, if > not faster. Yet you're arguing for use of Telecom's network... Cheers, Jonny.

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Re: [nznog] Net4U disconnected
by Michael Bordignon 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

Yes, from what I can tell, but would like to hear from Sahil about this > -- as I am sure would his customers and staff. nice -- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3541048 Michael

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Re: Net4U Disconnected
by Lamar - LH Web Services 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

I think that he may intend opening up FastAccess Limited, as he recently brought them out (employee of Net4u) ?? He has also just started up PC2Day Ltd with someone else. It was only a matter of time before something happened. Anyone else know anything more ? -- Regards, Lamar Hargreaves, LH Web Services. 02.Net Internet Services. > I guess most of you know about Net4U getting disconnected already, but > for those who haven't heard, errm, Net4U has been disconnected. > Completely. > > Looks like neither staff nor customers were told about the > disconnection. Sahil hasn't returned my calls. Has anyone been told what > he intends to do next? > > -- > Juha

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Net4U disconnected
by Juha Saarinen 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

I guess most of you know about Net4U getting disconnected already, but for those who haven't heard, errm, Net4U has been disconnected. Completely. Looks like neither staff nor customers were told about the disconnection. Sahil hasn't returned my calls. Has anyone been told what he intends to do next? -- Juha

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NZNOG '04 Programme
by Jamie Curtis 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

So, after an unfortunate amount of delay, we finally have a tentitive programme for the NZNOG (aka Big Geek Program) '04 conference. Despite our best efforts we still don't have all speakers confirmed but the confirmed speakers, topics and abstracts are all available from: http://www.nznog.org/programme.php Other major developments are the announcement of our primary sponsor and the addition of an extra workshop day to the conference schedule. We are pleased to announce that CityLink will be the conference's primary sponsor. I'm sure we are all already aware of the great work CityLink do for the NZ network scene through the operation of WIX and APE, and we would like to extend our thanks to them for their support of this conference. Also on the sponsorship front, we would like to thank Roger De Salis and FX networks for their sponsorship of a bartab for the night of the conference dinner. I'm sure that there will be plenty of us there to thank him in person on the night ! There are also a number of other sponsors who we don't have space to thank individually here, but we appreciate the support and it all helps us make the conference more enjoyable and informative for all. The conference has now been extended by placing a workshop/tutorial day on Wednesday the 28th, before the conference proper on the 29th and 30th. We have currently two workshops scheduled during the day, a full day APNIC training session and a half day "Wireless workshop". These sessions are available for no extra cost to anyone who registers for the main conference. More details on these workshops as we receive them are available from: http://www.nznog.org/workshops.php Earlybird registrations close on Janurary the 9th, so for many people there is less than two working weeks before the conference fee increases. There is still accomodation available on campus as detailed on the website. There are only a limited number of rooms available with an ethernet Internet connection provided, so if you want one of those, get in quick. As always, the latest and most complete information can be found on the conference website: http://www.nznog.org Any queries or problems relating to any of this can be forwarded to: info(a)nznog.org Cheers Jamie (on behalf of the NZNOG organising committee) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Curtis email: jpc2(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz WAND Group Lab G1.03 phone +64 21 392 102 Computer Science Department, University of Waikato, New Zealand -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Bandwidth in Auckland CBD
by Robert McDonald 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

Hi, I know this isn't about technical stuff, and OT on this list: But here goes. Can anyone provide me with arround a 50Gb a month mainly domestic 1/10 int/nat ratio, with some kind of service level agreement. Preferably able to get it into citylink's new space in Auckland, (no point in getting rack space if i cant get bandwidth) Email me with your offers and solutions. Im after something rock steady Something we havn't had lately. Cheers Rob

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NZNOG '04 Programme
by Donald Neal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So, after an unfortunate amount of delay, we finally have a tentative programme for the NZNOG (aka Big Geek Programme) '04 conference. Despite our best efforts we still don't have all speakers confirmed but the confirmed speakers, topics and abstracts are all available from: http://www.nznog.org/programme.php Other major developments are the announcement of our primary sponsor and the addition of an extra workshop day to the conference schedule. We are pleased to announce that CityLink will be the conference's primary sponsor. I'm sure we are all already aware of the great work CityLink do for the NZ network scene through the operation of WIX and APE, and we would like to extend our thanks to them for their support of this conference. Also on the sponsorship front, we would like to thank Roger De Salis and FX networks for their sponsorship of a bartab for the night of the conference dinner. I'm sure that there will be plenty of us there to thank him in person on the night ! There are also a number of other sponsors who we don't have space to thank individually here, but we appreciate the support and it all helps us make the conference more enjoyable and informative for all. The conference has now been extended by placing a workshop/tutorial day on Wednesday the 28th, before the conference proper on the 29th and 30th. We have currently two workshops scheduled during the day, a full day APNIC training session and a half day "Wireless workshop". These sessions are available for no extra cost to anyone who registers for the main conference. More details on these workshops as we receive them are available from: http://www.nznog.org/workshops.php Earlybird registrations close on Janurary the 9th, so for many people there is less than two working weeks before the conference fee increases. There is still accomodation available on campus as detailed on the website. There are only a limited number of rooms available with an ethernet Internet connection provided, so if you want one of those, get in quick. As always, the latest and most complete information can be found on the conference website: http://www.nznog.org Any queries or problems relating to any of this can be forwarded to: info(a)nznog.org Cheers Jamie (on behalf of the NZNOG organising committee) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Curtis email: jpc2(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz WAND Group Lab G1.03 phone +64 21 392 102 Computer Science Department, University of Waikato, New Zealand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Telecom/Telstra Peering.
by Simon Lyall 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

At the bottom of a fairly unrelated story[1] I came across: " Meanwhile, Telecom and TelstraClear have signed a peering agreement which formalises arrangements under which the telcos move data traffic across one another's networks. Mr Goulter says the telcos' engineering teams have cooperated to allow peering for some time, but the new commercial agreement is "good for the future of the industry". " John Goulter is a Telecom Spokesman, I can't find anything about the deal on either company's media release sites however. [1] http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2757590a28,00.html -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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ICONZ and TelstraClear have agreed to peer with one another
by Juha Saarinen 14 Dec '03

14 Dec '03

Got a terse media statement about the above... no actual details, but it looks like ICONZ has agreed to pay TelstraClear for domestic peering. Wonder what the consequences of that'll be? -- Juha

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RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
by Michael Bordignon 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

> Can someone post some links to these other streams ? Thanks. http://www.r2.co.nz/20031201/ I can see the 384kb/sec stream perfectly (mostly, apart from some buffering) now, webcams are pretty much ok now too. Michael

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Ihug Peering prefix-list update
by Leon Chang 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

Would all Ihug's domestic peers please update their prefix-list. The update-to-date prefix list can be found at: http://www.ihug.net/ihug-prefix-list Thanks. -- Leon Chang, CCNP, CCDP Senior Network Engineer The Internet Group Ltd. (IHUG), Auckland, New Zealand AS7657 PH: +64 9 359 2710 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] TC routing
by Donald Neal 08 Dec '03

08 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: [...] Andy Linton > Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2003 09:47 > To: nznog > Subject: Re: [nznog] TC routing > > > On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 05:20, Barry Murphy wrote: > > Wouldn't it be nice to have mrtg graphs of both WIX and APE > like whats been > > done with LINX > > http://www.linx.net/tools/stats/index.thtml [...] > That's not to say we aren't thinking of ways to catalogue and measure > the benefits of having the exchanges. Perhaps measures of the > round trip > times between various points on the network would be of more interest. > > A job for the lads at Waikato's WAND group funded by InternetNZ? Or possibly just place "beacon" devices - whether servers or SAA-capable routers - at the exchange points so people can run their own tests to a point attached to the exchange but outside their own networks? Donald Neal | "They won't wobble. They won't! Technical Specialist | I shall lean against them Operations Engineering | myself, and I'm 6ft 6in. I will Integration & Services Divn. | personally eliminate wobble." Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | - Russell T. Davies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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APRICOT 2004 : Speakers for Peering and Internet Exchange Track
by Simon Lyall 06 Dec '03

06 Dec '03

If people are going to APRICOT 2004 they might be interesting in the below. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:04:40 -0800 From: William B. Norton <wbn(a)equinix.com> To: apops(a)apops.net Subject: [apops] APRICOT 2004 : Speakers for Peering and Internet Exchange Track Hi all - You may have heard that there will be a new one-day track on Peering and Internet Exchanges at the upcoming APRICOT in Kuala Lumpur. I'd like to describe the track in brief and solicit a few more Peering Coordinators / Network Architects / Network Engineers as speakers for the track. (See http://www.apricot2004.net/ for information on the broader APRICOT 2004 conference). This Peering and Internet Exchange Track is intended to facilitate regional ISP Peering by providing a forum for Peering Coordinators to meet each other and share information about Asia Pacific peering. We will facilitate this with several panels, each one focused on peering in a particular country. If you are a Peering Coordinator with experience peering in the AP Region, please send me an e-mail answering the questions below. I will use this information to match panelists together into panels focused on certain AP countries. Thanks! Bill --------------------------- Speaker Questionnaire ------------------------------------ If you are able and willing to speak at the Feb 2004 APRICOT Peering and Internet Exchange Track, please fill out the following form and e-mail to William B. Norton at wbn(a)umich.edu: Name: __________________ Title: ___________________ Company: _______________ AS # _________________ In what country do you live? _________________ Email Address: __________________ We will select a set of panelists based on the answers to the questions below: 1) In what countries do you peer? 2) In which AP Country do you have peering experiences that you can share with the audience? 3) Answer as many of the questions below as applicable, as you would present as part of your presentation a) We are looking for speakers that have found interesting or unique country peering ecosystem characteristics. Have you uncovered any unexpected or interesting/unique peering ecosystem characteristics in any of the countries where you peer? Please give a few examples. b) We are also looking for unusual or unexpected traffic patterns. For example, a large amount of Japan traffic is ultimately destined to and from Brazil! Identifying and explaining this type of inter-country traffic would be a good set of data to launch a presentation. Do you have any of this type of data that you can share? c) What are the problems and challenges that you face as you build peering infrastructure into various AP countries? d) If other Peering Coordinators follow your footsteps into regions in which you now peer, what would you tell them: · is information that you would have liked to have had? · Are unexpected problems that you faced? e) What are the emerging trends that you see in the peering ecosystems in which you operate (transit and transport prices going up or down and the implications as you see them). /* William B. Norton <wbn(a)equinix.com> 650.315.8635 Co-Founder and Chief Technical Liaison Equinix, Inc. */ _______________________________________________ apops mailing list apops(a)apops.net http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/apops

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Network security heads-up
by Matthew Poole 04 Dec '03

04 Dec '03

Morning all. I have received information which indicates that one of the more notorious members of NZ's black-hat community has been "fiddling" with things he shouldn't. www.deadsnake.net is one example. In light of this, it may be advisable to check the security of your network-facing systems. Regards

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Multiple power outages in Dunedin
by Dan Clark 04 Dec '03

04 Dec '03

Hi Guys, Just been a couple of consecutive power outages here in Dunedin one after the other, anyone with equipment down here might wanna check their battery/diesel levels, may have been a bit hard on some automatic cut-in breakers as the power went down quite soon after it came up from the first outage. First major outage in some time, great test for our UPS and Generator. Kind Regards, Dan Clark Network Manager DunedinWireless Scarfies.Net Ltd Wickliffe Limited

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LOTR Premiere footage
by Richard Naylor 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

now available on www.r2.co.nz/20031201 be warned its 4:45 long rich

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Re: TC routing
by Tony McGregor 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

Andy wrote: >That's not to say we aren't thinking of ways to catalogue and measure >the benefits of having the exchanges. Perhaps measures of the round trip >times between various points on the network would be of more interest. > >A job for the lads at Waikato's WAND group funded by InternetNZ? We'd love to do that. We'd probably use amp (see http://watt.nlanr.net/active) Tony ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095(w) +64 7 825 5047(h) Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
by Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington) 02 Dec '03

02 Dec '03

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/E85DA6556D0BDE76CC256DEF001D4F86 " "The 128Kbit/s stream plays (just) but gets very blocky and stops at times. The 384 Kbit/s connection.. just doesn't go or just buffers and buffers," wrote one anguished fan. " I don't know Paul, I saw some pretty anguished young ladies on the side of the red carpet yesterday afternoon.. Craig was probably better described as 'very slightly perturbed' than 'anguished'. :-P Great day though, happy I could spend it out in the sun rather than watching from my desk. :) -----Original Message----- From: Craig Whitmore To: 'Dan Clark' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: 1/12/2003 5:14 p.m. Subject: RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy The 128K stream plays (just) but gets very blocky and stops at times. The 384K Connection.. just doesn't go or just buffers and buffers.. Thanks Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:04 PM > To: Simon Lyall; nznog > Subject: Re: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy > > mine's awesome, streaming down nicely (courtney) here in Dunedin on a 2MB > Clear Domestic Frame. > > Cheers, _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No reader may make any use of its content unless that use is approved by Deloitte separately in writing. Any opinion, advice or information contained in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is to be treated as interim and provisional only and for the strictly limited purpose of the recipient as communicated to us. Neither the recipient nor any other person should act upon it without our separate written authorisation of reliance. Deloitte is a member firm of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu. Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu is a Swiss Verein (association), and, as such, neither Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu nor any of its member firms has any liability for each other's acts or omissions. Each of the member firms is a separate and independent legal entity operating under the names "Deloitte," "Deloitte & Touche," "Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu," or other related names. Services are provided by the member firms and not by the Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Verein. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately and destroy this message. Thank you. Deloitte Internet: www.deloitte.co.nz

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APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
by Simon Lyall 02 Dec '03

02 Dec '03

The main website just manages to load but the streams are overloaded to the point of being broken. Hows it look to everyone else? -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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by Derek Lee 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

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LOTR Webcam and netgate
by Richard J. Fairhall 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

It looks like netgate didnt peer with citylink for the Lord of the Rings webcams which means that anybody on Fast IP Direct Jetstream cannot access them. This is just another example of the pathetic attitude some companies have to both their users and peering nowdays. Regards, Richard.

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RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
by Simon Byrnand 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

At 17:24 1/12/2003 +1300, Michael Bordignon wrote: > > Can someone post some links to these other streams ? Thanks. > >http://www.r2.co.nz/20031201/ > >I can see the 384kb/sec stream perfectly (mostly, apart from some buffering) >now, webcams are pretty much ok now too. Yep, both are ok here too, the 384Kb stream is playing smoothly and the webcams are as good as they ever were...(that is to say, 2 - 4 frames per second and too far away to make out any faces ;-) Regards, Simon

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RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
by Neil Gardner 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

I'm getting perfect results on courtenay once it manages to connect (Took ages - over a minute) ... Perhaps limited number of streams supported at some link? Same deal for reading... -- Cheers - Neil Gardner Networking and Security Support Engineer Renaissance Brands (09) 968-3681 / (021) 746-345 -----Original Message----- From: Craig Whitmore [mailto:lennon(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Monday, 1 December 2003 4:37 p.m. To: 'Craig Whitmore' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy http://palantir.citylink.co.nz/courtenay/ (on APE) is getting too overloaded now at times.. missing pictures /page cannot be found errors etc :-( > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Whitmore [mailto:lennon(a)orcon.net.nz] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:31 PM > To: 'Simon Lyall' > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy > > Connected via APE. > > http://palantir.citylink.co.nz/courtenay/ works well about 2-3 fps > http://palantir.citylink.co.nz/reading/ works well (except looks like > has a little bit of water on the camera) > > Any of the R2 broadcasts either don't work or only has R2 advertising > on them and repeats.. (too overloaded?) > > The NZOOM feeds don't play at all :-( _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
by Michael Bordignon 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

> The main website just manages to load but the streams are > overloaded to the point of being broken. > > Hows it look to everyone else? Very slow.. We peer at WIX and I can ping palantir.citylink (with 2ms replies) but it seems (i think) that Apache (or however they're doing it) is mega overloaded. Michael

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Re: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
by Jamie Baddeley 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

was Go, Go, od, G, ood, G, G, , No, Now, B, a, Ba, Bad. Liv Tyler looks lovely when she's not stuttering and jerking around. 384 kbps now starting to resemble the mjpeg. jamie >>> Simon Lyall <simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz> 1/12/2003 4:16:36 PM >>> The main website just manages to load but the streams are overloaded to the point of being broken. Hows it look to everyone else? -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

Agreed. They come and go, but they go more than they come. > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz] > Sent: 01 December 2003 16:17 > To: nznog > Subject: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy > > > > The main website just manages to load but the streams are > overloaded to > the point of being broken. > > Hows it look to everyone else? > > -- > Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Re: [nznog] APE, citylink, LOTR thingy
by Ewen McNeill 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

In message <Pine.LNX.4.56.0312011612240.8002(a)green.darkmere.gen.nz>, Simon Lyall writes: >The main website just manages to load but the streams are overloaded to >the point of being broken. In Wellington (across WIX) I can see: - the flick motion Axis thing, but only inside IE which uses the plugin (the javascript stuff is just completely overloaded); - the 128Kbps stream (but not the 384Kbps stream) Which is sort of okay. But some things seem to be struggling under the load. I guess in theory there's another set of hardware in Auckland seeing different load. Ewen

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. A face-to-face gathering is to take place in Hamilton on January 29 and 30 2004, hosted by the WAND group. Registration is open now, and a draft programme is due out shortly. See http://www.nznog.org/ for more details. Also see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/about.html if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Internet Exchanges See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. See http://www.wix.net.nz/ for the Wellington Internet Exchange. And possibly http://www.citylink.co.nz/information/news/nr1068413489.html . About This Mailing List This list has around six hundred addresses subscribed. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Alcatel NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. One way to search the archive is to use google and prefix your search with site:list.waikato.ac.nz . Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Peering question
by Juha Saarinen 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/8E589BD9394A5141CC256DEB00084747?O… 'Thompson also uses a different terminology to describe peering. "It's a much abused term. Peering really only happens between companies of a similar size. What we're talking about is interconnection." ' Is this the generally accepted definition of peering? -- Juha

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Sale of Domainz
by DPF 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

Notice of the sale of Domainz is being sent by post to ISPs, but a quick e-mail here may also prove effective in reaching any interested purchasers. The advert relating to the sale of Domainz is at http://www.internetnz.net.nz/sale-of-domainz-nbr-ad.pdf, as per the announcement below. All inquiries are best directed to Tim Russell of Deloitte Corporate Finance at the details below. DPF On Fri, 30 May 2003 13:35:44 +1200, Peter Macaulay <exedir(a)internetnz.net.nz> wrote: >Further to our earlier announcements, the public aspect of the sale of >Domainz is under way. An advertisement is in today's (Friday 29 May) >National Business Review. A copy will be posted on the web site at 1830 >tonight. >Feel free to pass on this information to any parties that may have a >genuine interest. The contact is >Tim Russell >+64 9 303 0857 >timrussell(a)deloitte.co.nz > >-- >Peter Macaulay >Executive Director >InternetNZ >Direct +64 4 495 2113 -- E-mail: david(a)farrar.com ICQ: 29964527 MSN: dpf666(a)hotmail.com

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lotr webcam in fast forward?
by Barry Murphy 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

Anyone else seeing the courtney cam in fastforward? Does 2second+ per second. Look at the time at the top of the screen, also notice the way people walk. Had this problem from corporate lan at work and also from home on 128k jetstart. Barry

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RE: [nznog] Peering question
by Donald Neal 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: nznog-bounces+Donald.Neal=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:nznog-bounces+Donald.Neal=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On > Behalf Of Ewan Cowie > Sent: Friday, 28 November 2003 10:36 > To: NZ NOG > Subject: RE: [nznog] Peering question > > > What interests me is this statement. > > "Throughout 2002, however, the Commission received complaints > from ISPs who were excluded from the domestic peering > agreements. Generally, the complaints concerned the fact that > none of the Tier 1 service providers paid for use of the > complainants' networks for data transmission yet the > complainants were required to pay fees to use the Tier 1s' networks". > > The Commerce Commission is bound to find similar opinions > locally as the ACCC did in Australia. If this turns into a > poo fight, will everyone just end up charging everyone for > "interconnection" just to avoid the complexities that the > peering issue raises? There also remains the question of the effect on the landscape both politically and technically if the Commerce Commission does proceed to mandate unbundled "Public Data Network Backhaul" among other things, as proposed in their September draft report. I'd hesitate to predict doom at this stage, in part because accurate predications of any kind are a bit of a challenge. Especially when they're about the future. Donald Neal | "They won't wobble. They won't! Technical Specialist | I shall lean against them Operations Engineering | myself, and I'm 6ft 6in. I will Integration & Services Divn. | personally eliminate wobble." Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | - Russell T. Davies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Peering question
by Ewan Cowie 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

What interests me is this statement. "Throughout 2002, however, the Commission received complaints from ISPs who were excluded from the domestic peering agreements. Generally, the complaints concerned the fact that none of the Tier 1 service providers paid for use of the complainants' networks for data transmission yet the complainants were required to pay fees to use the Tier 1s' networks". The Commerce Commission is bound to find similar opinions locally as the ACCC did in Australia. If this turns into a poo fight, will everyone just end up charging everyone for "interconnection" just to avoid the complexities that the peering issue raises? Should this occur it is going to boost cost for the consumer (assuming that ISPs aim to retain the same profit margin - which I am sure many will)and could have negative effects on market growth, and the spread of Internet technology/connectivity in NZ. Of course nothing bad may happen at all, but today I am prophesying doom. Doom Ewan Cowie -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces+Ewan.Cowie=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces+Ewan.Cowie=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:50 AM Cc: NZ NOG Subject: Re: [nznog] Peering question Juha Saarinen wrote: > http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/8E589BD9394A5141CC256DEB00084 > 747?OpenDocument A mate spotted this one: 'Thompson points to overseas markets where interconnection and peering are well-established practices. "If you look at the US, the likes of WorldCom or UUNet peer with each other, but they charge smaller players for interconnection."' Yes, I can well imagine that WCOM and UUNET would "peer with each other". ;-) -- Juha _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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LoTR auckland webcam streams
by Simon Blake 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Hi all Could somebody in Auckland who peers at APE and recieves 202.7.4.x/24 from the route servers please direct a browser at http://palantir.citylink.co.nz/courtenay/ and http://palantir.citylink.co.nz/reading/ and tell me if you see a particularly miserable piece of courtenay place weather. I believe they're both going, but the anycast makes it a little harder than usual to test. Cheers Si

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Easynet.nl
by Matthew G Brown 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Heads up for people using any of the easynet.nl RBL's , All services will be disabled on 1st Dec PST . Best regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LIMITED Nelson, New Zealand DDI: + 64 3 544 9116 MOB: 027 4807731 http://www.brh.co.nz http://www.backupserver.co.nz

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Peering at the APE and WIX - was Re: Irked with TelstraClear
by Andy Linton 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I posted some notes yesterday about peering with the APE and WIX route servers and gave a link for application forms which wasn't as useful as it might have been. For reference the forms are at: http://www.citylink.co.nz/cgi-bin/wixape.pl?tmpl=ape.tmpl http://www.citylink.co.nz/cgi-bin/wixape.pl?tmpl=wix.tmpl Joe Abley posted some ideas on peering - one obvious one that he hasn't gone the whole distance with is that if many of the small/medium players work together they will be in a better position to negotiate peering with the two large telcos. Consider the stories here: http://www.tomsdomain.com/aesop/id17.htm

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ICANN's Legacy? - The threat to universal Internet connectivity
by Jeff Williams 25 Nov '03

25 Nov '03

All, See: http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/11/21/46FEtrouble_1.html?s=feature The threat to universal Internet connectivity Can -- and should -- blockers, spammers, and domain name overlords be stopped? By David L. Margulius Thank you David for this breath or fresh air, honest evaluation, and interesting report.. Someday maybe Vint, and that "Crowed" will "Get it"... But in the mean time it may be time to throw the rascals out and have a new and inclusive beginning?? Will the NTIA take heed? Will Telstra and AT&T also take heed?? Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" - Pierre Abelard "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801

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RE: [nznog] Peering Issue - from a business point of view
by Paul Adshead 25 Nov '03

25 Nov '03

And then if if Telecom did join in and on-charged the more expensive Intl bw, how many customers would end up with Telecom bills like the one linked to below?? http://mike.net.nz/stuff/jetstream.jpg (Not mine by the way.) Paul Adshead Network & Systems OTL Software Ltd -----Original Message----- From: Matt Camp [mailto:gargoyle(a)noise.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2003 15:29 To: Tikiri Wicks Cc: 'nznog' Subject: Re: [nznog] Peering Issue - from a business point of view [Everything in this email is my own uninformed personal opinion, and has absolutely nothing to do with TelstraClear's official position on anything at all. I'm not involved in any of this stuff, so don't quote me on anything, kthx] On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Tikiri Wicks wrote: > In that case what about if all the small ISP's as a group peer with one > layer 3 switch at the APE and another one at the WIX. This way Telstra would > have to peer with everyone or not peer with anyone. Ah, but what happens when they choose not to peer with this group? And then what happens when Telecom takes a similar line? All of a sudden you've got a bunch of ISP's who are paying for international bandwidth through one of the other providers like AT&T, probably per byte, and they're having to use that bw to transit domestic traffic to everyone else. The problem is that the people making these decisions DO have reasons for making these changes... the reasons may be totally commercially based and have nothing to do with the feelgood ethos of the internet, but if the suits at TelstraClear are having those thoughts, I'll bet you a dollar there is someone in a suit at Telecom thinking "hey... if they can do it, so can we... and if we both do it, then everyone else will HAVE to buy a connection". > If all the non Telco ISP's were to be lumped into one pile that would be a > lot of such internet services and web sites. But remember, only the people who do not already have a TelstraClear service are potentially at risk of having their peering cut (according to jsr's quoted statement from Mathew Bolland).... How many of the non-telco ISP's in NZ don't have a TelstraClear link? How about if you add in the theory that Telecom takes the same line? All of a sudden your group of people is a whole lot smaller. While its nice to think that many ISP's will join your group trying to force peering, I think you'll find that many of them are still run by people who are more concerned about their business continuing and can't afford to take commercial risks just to uphold the ethos. > If all of these were as a group with rules that state peer with the all or > do not peer at all. Essentially a gigabit Layer 3 switch at the NEW > exchange. What this means is that parties would not peer with individual > small ISP's rather they would peer with the entire group. aka... the route servers? > The Telstra consumer would most probably switch to his friends connection. I think there would be more to it than that. Especially if Telecom took the same line, thus forcing all the non-telco ISP's to use more expensive bw, and charge their customers international rates for what should be domestic traffic. I haven't been involved with any of this peering stuff, but my feeling is that perhaps (as Tony implied), there is a lot more to this than people realise, and in fact its not just TelstraClear trying to be big and bad. --- Matt Camp _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] Peering Issue - from a business point of view
by Tikiri Wicks 25 Nov '03

25 Nov '03

p.s. I have NO affiliation with Maxnet I just use an email address from them. > What would that achieve? It won't solve the problem that John Russell > brought up. There is NO need to set up any other peering exchanges. > > You are confusing the issue. Get someone at the maxnet > nog to explain it to you I'm not trying to look at it from a technical point. What I mean is purely from a business point of view. In that case what about if all the small ISP's as a group peer with one layer 3 switch at the APE and another one at the WIX. This way Telstra would have to peer with everyone or not peer with anyone. New Zealand Internet consumers have great interest in other Internet related services and web sites in New Zealand. For example the earlier reference to nzdating.co.nz A large portion of these New Zealand based ineternet services and websites are physically hosted by ISP's other than Telstra and Telecom. Not to mention the end consumers themselves. If all the non Telco ISP's were to be lumped into one pile that would be a lot of such internet services and web sites. If all of these were as a group with rules that state peer with the all or do not peer at all. Essentially a gigabit Layer 3 switch at the NEW exchange. What this means is that parties would not peer with individual small ISP's rather they would peer with the entire group. In this scenario what would happen ? A Telstra consumer tries to access www.nzdating.co.nz what happens ? it is not accessible for them. The next day (or same day) he/she whines to his/her friends about nzdating not beign there. But his/her friend is on a dialup to ICONZ / Slingshot / _____ and they could access the site with no hassles. Instant conclusion is something is wrong with Telstra. The Telstra consumer would most probably switch to his friends connection. The key is to achieve critical mass. You guys can only achieve this critical mass as a group. Not as individual companies as you are too small alone to make any difference. Only as a group. Cheers Tikiri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lin Nah" <lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz> To: "Tikiri Wicks" <tcwicks(a)maxnet.co.nz> Cc: "Tony Wicks" <nzog(a)road.gen.nz> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [nznog] Peering Issue - Perhaps a solution > HI Tikiri > > On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Tikiri Wicks wrote: > > I realize that the APE and the WIX already exist but what I'm talking about > > is setting up a second peering point with different game rules. Namely Give > > as much as you take > What would that achieve? It won't solve the problem that John Russell > brought up. There is NO need to set up any other peering exchanges. > > You are confusing the issue. Get someone at the maxnet > nog to explain it to you > > > What you guys don't seem to understand is that if all the smaller ISP's > > Maxnet, IHUG, Slingshot, etc.... were all combined into one (big lump) that > > is probably way more end consumers than what Telstra has. And probably > > enough to get Telecom thinking as well > > regards > lin > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tony Wicks" <nzog(a)road.gen.nz> > > To: "'Tikiri Wicks'" <tcwicks(a)maxnet.co.nz> > > Cc: "'nznog'" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:14 AM > > Subject: RE: [nznog] Peering Issue - Perhaps a solution > > > > > > I hate to mention the obvious Tikiri, but that already exsists, they are > > called APE and WIX. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tikiri Wicks [mailto:tcwicks(a)maxnet.co.nz] > > Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:13 a.m. > > To: Andy Linton; nznog > > Subject: [nznog] Peering Issue - Perhaps a solution > > > > Just a thought here > > > > Since most ISP's in NZ seem to be in agreement over this. What if > > instead of just blowing off steam: > > > > Everyone joins hands and sets up two (or more) peering exchanges. One in > > Auckland and one in Wellington. Then everyone simply drops all peering with > > Telstra (and / or Telecom if and where relevant) and interconnect through > > the two (or more) exchange points. The idea is that no one would pay for > > anything except for the cost of connectiong yourselves to the exchange > > points. Whether this be via tangent / united network / citylink / some big > > SDH radio link / microwave / a whole bunch of people running to the > > exchanges with buckets fileld with packets :) > > > > Peering would be voluntary for anyone and on the condition that each > > provides the same amount of bandwidth under the same conditions from their > > network to the exchange as they do from teh exchange to their network. > > > > That should keep players like Telecom and Telstra from trying to > > manipulate the market. > > > > If Telstra want to peer they would be forced to do so at the same > > conditions that apply to everyone else > > > > Also the costs of interconnectivity between the exchange points could be > > borne by the members based on some simple equation such as for example a > > ratio based on the amount of bandwidth with which they connect to the > > exchanges. Fill in the blanks here ________ > > > > Finally I would think that this would be a great opportunity for > > operators like tangent who have fibre running between the two (or more) > > hypothetical exchanges. > > > > Cheers > > > > Tikiri > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andy Linton" <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> > > To: "nznog" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:53 AM > > Subject: [nznog] Peering at the APE and WIX - was Re: Irked with > > TelstraClear > > > > > > > I posted some notes yesterday about peering with the APE and WIX route > > > servers and gave a link for application forms which wasn't as useful as > > > it might have been. For reference the forms are at: > > > > > > http://www.citylink.co.nz/cgi-bin/wixape.pl?tmpl=ape.tmpl > > > http://www.citylink.co.nz/cgi-bin/wixape.pl?tmpl=wix.tmpl > > > > > > Joe Abley posted some ideas on peering - one obvious one that he hasn't > > > gone the whole distance with is that if many of the small/medium players > > > work together they will be in a better position to negotiate peering > > > with the two large telcos. > > > > > > Consider the stories here: > > > > > > http://www.tomsdomain.com/aesop/id17.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > >

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RE: [nznog] Peering Issue - Perhaps a solution
by Donald Neal 25 Nov '03

25 Nov '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: nznog-bounces+Donald.Neal=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:nznog-bounces+Donald.Neal=telecom.co.nz(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On > Behalf Of Tikiri Wicks > Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:13 > To: Andy Linton; nznog > Subject: [nznog] Peering Issue - Perhaps a solution > > > Just a thought here > > Since most ISP's in NZ seem to be in agreement over this. What if > instead of just blowing off steam: > > Everyone joins hands and sets up two (or more) peering > exchanges. One in > Auckland and one in Wellington. Then everyone simply drops > all peering with > Telstra (and / or Telecom if and where relevant) and > interconnect through > the two (or more) exchange points. As the monthly posting to this list says, >Internet Exchanges >See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering >Exchange and those connected there, http://www.wix.net.nz/ for the >Wellington Internet Exchange. Donald Neal | "They won't wobble. They won't! Technical Specialist | I shall lean against them Operations Engineering | myself, and I'm 6ft 6in. I will Integration & Services Divn. | personally eliminate wobble." Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | - Russell T. Davies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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(no subject)
by Ben Martel 25 Nov '03

25 Nov '03

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RE: [nznog] Irked with TelstraClear
by J S Russell 24 Nov '03

24 Nov '03

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Neil Gardner wrote: > JSR, Do you have any numbers or names of people that this sort of > (justified, and for gosh sake, please be polite when doing it) enquiry > would be best directed towards? Personally, were I a TelstraClear customer, I would be inclined to treat it as a fault, yes. And I would guess that fault reports should be sent though normal account management channels. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.

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Re: [nznog] Irked with TelstraClear
by Simon Lyall 24 Nov '03

24 Nov '03

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, J S Russell wrote: > Nope - as I outlined earlier, we treated it as damage and routed around > it. Technology triumphs over stupidity! Huzzah! Hmm, still some customers of TesltraClear [1] might be seeing less than optimal connectivity to Iconz hosted sites. Why not approach them and suggest that they get direct connectivity to APE,WIX or wherever? If they are paying $25 per 64Kbits/sec per month then they don't need much bandwidth to start saving money. As a bonus, next time their bandwidth negotiations come around they'll be able to pick from any ISP that's APE connected for their bandwidth. Here are a few possibles that are fairly big but appear (from a quick glance) to be only domestically routed via TesltraClear currently: aut.ac.nz auckland.ac.nz vuw.ac.nz waikato.ac.nz iserve.co.nz actrix.co.nz scarfies.net wave.co.nz I would guess a few admins from there are already on this list, some might already be getting complaints about domestic connectivity. I'd be interested in their take on the situation. [1] My Spell checker keeps trying to substitute "Testicular" for "TelstraClear" , then again it also tried to do "thug" for "ihug" :) -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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[Fwd: RE: [nznog] Changes to Telecom ADSL Network]
by kyle carter 24 Nov '03

24 Nov '03

I personally am happy with this topic being discussed on list.. however being an anonymous looking sender is a bit off putting. Many of the topic on this list i dont have a problem with, but i do like to know is going on with regards to the internet in NZ. This is a topic i have been asked about by many people i know who arent gamers but have been experiencing many issues with the latency of their connections when nearing max bandwidth usage. I did not experience any problems with the previous traffic shaping with the dropping of packets, however i have experienced some very weird issues with the new packet shaping when nearing the bandwidth limits of my jetstart connection. On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 07:29, Craig Spiers wrote: > Why was this posted to NZNOG? > > If you have gripes with telecom, take it up with telecom? > > I personally don't have a problem with the changes telecom have made.. And I > believe it hasn't been done on purpose, but a side effect from the changing > of equipment vendors.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anonymous User [mailto:ominona(a)emailaccount.com] > Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2003 6:26 p.m. > To: adsl(a)lists.unixathome.org; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Changes to Telecom ADSL Network > > An interesting topic for discussion: > > Telecom is installing new equipment in its ADSL network, which handles > traffic congestion in a slightly different way than previously. > Overview > Telecom is installing new equipment in its network, which handles traffic > congestion in a slightly different way than previously.

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Changes to Telecom ADSL Network
by Anonymous User 22 Nov '03

22 Nov '03

An interesting topic for discussion: Telecom is installing new equipment in its ADSL network, which handles traffic congestion in a slightly different way than previously. Overview Telecom is installing new equipment in its network, which handles traffic congestion in a slightly different way than previously. When a traffic burst exceeds the rated capacity of that connection, any overflow data is now queued temporarily and sent as soon as the congestion is cleared - normally within milliseconds. This change should enhance the experience for most Internet users, however some gaming customers may have increased sensitivity to other applications running in the background. To achieve the best online game playing experience, Telecom is working to ensure that the connections are optimised and queuing is minimised. Users wanting the best gaming experience should avoid running other applications or PCs on the same connection or upgrade their connection to a higher speed to ensure queues are minimised. Frequently Asked Questions: Q. Why can multiple users on one connection now not connect when playing games? A. Telecom is installing new equipment in the network, which handles traffic congestion in a slightly different way than previously. When a traffic burst exceeds the rated capacity of that connection, any overflow data is now queued temporarily and sent as soon as the congestion is cleared - normally within milliseconds. Q. Why has Telecom made this change? A. This change means that packets of data, which previously may have been dropped, will now reach their destination. This change should enhance the experience for most Internet users, however some gaming customers may have increased sensitivity to other applications running in the background. Q. This is obviously having a negative effect on my games experience - why don't you change it back? A. For the majority of customers, the new queue shaping provides them with a better Internet experience. Telecom is working to ensure that the connections are optimised and queuing is minimised. Users wanting the best gaming experience should avoid running other applications or PCs on the same connection or upgrade their existing connection to a higher speed to ensure queues are minimised. Q. Why didn't you notify customers of this change? A. Telecom regularly makes changes to its Network and indeed, announced earlier this year that it was overhauling its JetStream portfolio. With so many changes being made in various parts of the Network, it is impractical to notify all customers whenever a change is made. Q. Isn't this just a ploy to get us on to your 256k plans where we have to pay for all traffic? A. Customers are free to choose the most appropriate plan for their needs. The Xtra JetStream 256k and Full speed plans obviously offer customers a bigger pipe, so the chances of packets getting dropped or queued are less. ~ John Doe _____________________________________________________________ Free, simple, fast, memorable email Become you(a)EmailAccount.com at http://www.emailaccount.com/

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Telehousing
by Craig Spiers 22 Nov '03

22 Nov '03

Anyone know of any telehousing facilitys in auckland CBD? Must be on the citylink or tangent / united networks fiber networks.. Cheers!

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2.4GHz operators - Lincoln/Henderson area
by Michael Hallager 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

Hi, Could any operators of 2.4GHz outdoor networks in the Lincoln/Henderson area please contact me offlist for mutual co-operation in channel usage. Michael Hallager Managing Director Networkstuff Limited URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz Networkstuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. E-Mail: michael @ networkstuff.co.nz Member of the NZ Open Source Society. Member of the Auckland VHF Group. Amateur radio callsign: ZL1VMH.

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ENUM Seminar
by Peter Macaulay 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

Just a reminder for those of you who would like to attend, you can still enrol. The $50 is primarily for food. The Number Administration Deed (NAD) Management Committee and Internet NZ are holding a joint seminar on ENUM on Monday 24 November 2003 from 9.00 am - 5.00 pm. The venue is the Level 2 West Lounge at Westpactrust Stadium in Wellington. Programme Tony Holmes of BT is attending as guest speaker. He intends to discuss the following topics: 1. Introduction to ENUM. 2. ENUM Specifications, Rules and Recommendations. 3. An overview of what's happening across the globe. 4. Experience, issues and problems from the UK ENUM trial. 5. The focus for New Zealand - discussion on 'what needs to happen next'. Representatives from the Ministry of Economic Development will also attend to present their views on ENUM. Cost $50.00 per person, which includes the full day ENUM seminar plus morning tea, lunch and afternoon tea. Registration and Contacts Jennifer Neeley (M-co) Phone: 04 498 0026 Fax: 04 473 6950 Email: jennifer.neeley(a)m-co.co.nz -- Peter Macaulay Executive Director InternetNZ Direct +64 4 495 2113

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ICONZ Domestic Peering Update
by John Johnston 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

ICONZ have updated their domestic peering advertisements. Any that currently peer with ICONZ please update your prefix lists with attached file or use URL supplied. If there is anyone who would like to peer with ICONZ across APE or WIX please send an email to noc(a)iconz.net http://www.iconz.co.nz/prefix/ Regards ICONZ NOC Email: noc(a)iconz.net Phone: 09 977 3500

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Xtra reverse DNS's
by Michael Hallager 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

Hi all, People who are receiving IP space from Global Gateway would be well advsied to check that their IP addresses have not been hijacked by Xtra: bash-2.05b# nslookup 210.55.169.1 Note: nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases. Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead. Run nslookup with the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing. Server: 210.55.108.130 Address: 210.55.108.130#53 Non-authoritative answer: 1.169.55.210.in-addr.arpa name = 210-55-169-1.ipnets.xtra.co.nz. Authoritative answers can be found from: 169.55.210.in-addr.arpa nameserver = alien.xtra.co.nz. 169.55.210.in-addr.arpa nameserver = terminator.xtra.co.nz. bash-2.05b# Reminds me of the "old days" when Xtra started up.... Michael Hallager Systems Administrator Vivid Computers Ltd Managing Director Networkstuff Ltd

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NZNOG '04
by Tony McGregor 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

Hi All The NZNOG '04 arrangements are coming along well and registration is now open at www.nznog.org. We're pleased to have Geoff Houston (Telstra Aust/APNIC) and Philip Smith (CISCO) as invited speakers. See the conference web pages for more details. Other details about the conference, including the the on campus accommodation etc are also on the web page. It's still possible to put in a talk or tutorial proposal. Please send them to talks(a)nznog.org. We're about to send out letters to various folks asking for sponsorship. We're not looking for lots of money, just ways to add value to the conference through materials, extra international speakers, the bar, etc. If you have any contacts that we could write to please let me know. It's a huge help if people sign up early. The conference fee is lower if you sign up early. Also, there is only limited accommodation with in-room network access, if you want that I suggest you sign up quick! Tony

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New IANA IPv4 allocations and bogon updates: 83/8 and 84/8
by Rob Thomas 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

Hi, team. [ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA allocations on November 15, 2003: 83/8 Nov 03 RIPE NCC 84/8 Nov 03 RIPE NCC IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters if you are not using the bogon BGP feed(s). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Strict (Juniper) BGP Bogon route-server * RADb fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring Bogon prefix monitoring * All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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Re: Weird spam
by Richard Cox 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

On 17 Nov 2003 11:25 UTC "Barry Murphy" <barry(a)unix.co.nz> wrote: | I received the same message 8 times to the same address with about | 2-3 per hour. My spamassasin picked them up but the strange thing was | they all came from different IP addresses and I couldn't traceroute | any of them... You've assumed the handoff between received lines was valid; it wasn't. The "earlier" received line in each case was totally bogus: there is now a variety of custom "spamware" that forges a Received: header and carefully matches the fake details to the reverse DNS of the proxy or trojan machine that the spammer is actually sending from. That makes it almost impossible to know that the line is is in fact forged, unless you spot some little detail that they get wrong ... like (as in some of the cases that you quoted), the fact that the fake sending IP in the forged header is in a block that's either unannounced or completely unroutable! | IP addresses they were sent from: 99.27.67.200 IANA Reserved 202.163.151.24 Assigned but not announced 89.87.209.213 IANA Reserved 112.188.234.68 IANA Reserved 45.38.78.200 Interop Show Network 244.128.164.67 Unroutable 168.80.80.67 UUNET Internet Africa 64.215.105.194 64.215.105.194 | the messages were stopped as they were listed in blacklists. Blocklist tests are normally done on the most recent Received: line, as unless that line is OK, previous lines cannot usually be trusted. | The thing I don't understand is that there was no consistency, all | the emails from different IP's, all different forged header fields, | all not tracerouteable and within 30 minutes of each other to an | address only listed on a new zealand website. I can traceroute to some of the IPs you listed so it may be that traceroute packets have been blocked at your gateway. There are currently very some good reasons why network administrators do that! Because of the level of filtering, spammers now try to send the same mail from different proxies/zombies to be sure of getting it through. Different IPs are in different blocklists, and spammers can't tell what blocklist your ISP - or that of any other victim - uses. They can't even tell whether mail gets through at all because many systems are now configured to drop the mail rather than reject it. I won't pass comment on that policy, but we all know it happens. Hence to get better delivery figures, spammers now have to send out multiple copies. Their systems randomise all the variable factors - fake mail client, fake origin, fake sender name, random subject line etc, and loads of random garbage text in the spam body to foil any checksum detection of bulk mailing. | Weird, sounds very much like the spam system explained on the list | not too long ago. While it may well use that system, multiple proxy/trojan sending boxes are now becoming a standard spammer-modus-operandi! Joe Abley <jabley(a)isc.org> replied: | It seems to be fairly commonplace these days for (a) spam to be | vectored through widely-distributed sets of open proxies or infected | windows drones and (b) for unallocated or normally unadvertised space | to be advertised transiently in order to provide temporary addresses | to bind SMTP clients to. (a) is normal, for sure, but (b) - although theoretically trivial to do - is not yet in common use. Bogus announcements would need to be visible every place the spammer wanted to send to, and would then be visible at the route-collectors which report into systems like RIPE's RIS server and that in turn would allow them to be identified from a lookup at http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/index.html -- Richard Cox \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Contribute to the SpamCon Legal Fund!! http://www.spamcon.org/legalfund/

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Weird spam
by Barry Murphy 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

Hey guys, Anyone else receive this subject on the 14th... "AMERICAN STOCK MARKET: TRHL Retains Sky Investor Relations...edita", where edita was changed with multiple names. Not strange that I received spam, however I received the same message 8 times to the same address with about 2-3 per hour. My spamassasin picked them up but the strange thing was they all came from different IP addresses and I couldn't traceroute any of them... All of them stop at 202.37.246.18 (Global-gateway) eg. traceroute 89.87.209.213 traceroute to 89.87.209.213 (89.87.209.213), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets 1 gateway (219.88.241.241) 1.679 ms 2.403 ms 1.358 ms 2 fe0-0.cr1.idc.orcon.net.nz (219.88.242.250) 0.863 ms 0.872 ms 0.852 ms 3 fe-1.qos2.idc.orcon.net.nz (219.88.242.226) 1.134 ms 1.004 ms 1.128 ms 4 219.88.242.233 (219.88.242.233) 1.774 ms 1.906 ms 1.567 ms 5 202.50.245.33 (202.50.245.33) 39.962 ms 93.651 ms 6.643 ms 6 ge-0-3-0-6.akbr3.global-gateway.net.nz (202.37.246.18) 6.165 ms !N^C Ip addresses they were sent from: 99.27.67.200 202.163.151.24 89.87.209.213 112.188.234.68 45.38.78.200 244.128.164.67 168.80.80.67 64.215.105.194 In all cases the messages were stopped as they were listed in blacklists. RCVD_IN_NJABL (0.9 points) RBL: Received via a relay in dnsbl.njabl.org [RBL check: found 45.38.78.200.dnsbl.njabl.org.,] [type: 127.0.0.9] RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL (0.5 points) RBL: Received via a relay in unconfirmed.dsbl.org [RBL check: found 45.38.78.200.unconfirmed.dsbl.org.] RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET (3.0 points) RBL: Received via a relay in bl.spamcop.net [RBL check: found 45.38.78.200.bl.spamcop.net.] They were also stopped because of forged headers, some having forged froms, forged MUA Outlook, etc. The thing I don't understand is that there was no consistency, all the emails from different IP's, all different forged header fields, all not tracerouteable and within 30 minutes of eachother to an address only listed on a new zealand website. Weird, sounds very much like the spam system explained on the list not too long ago. Barry Murphy

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Understanding my traceroute?
by Jon Dean 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, I'm trying to get a better understanding of how the DSL network is integrated together in New Zealand. I'm hoping someone can help explain to me why their is such big latency gaps in some of the connections. Below is the output from a traceroute between me on Ihug Jetstart DSL and an Xtra Jetstream connection with a Static IP. 1 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2) 0.299 ms 0.148 ms 0.142 ms 2 203-118-173-1.adsl.ihug.co.nz (203.118.173.1) 56.506 ms 57.695 ms 60.022 ms Is 203.118.173.1 an Ihug router or a Telecom router? 3 192.168.253.225 (192.168.253.225) 66.866 ms 58.911 ms 61.027 ms 4 192.168.254.42 (192.168.254.42) 70.011 ms 69.028 ms 59.954 ms 5 v-93-tig-nz-akl-core-1.ihug.net (203.109.156.145) 70.147 ms 69.346 ms 68.020 ms 6 203-109-156-98.ihug.net (203.109.156.98) 69.904 ms 67.363 ms 71.046 ms 7 a5-0-0-40.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.37.245.165) 210.854 ms 203.399 ms 185.586 ms This is my real question... why is this such a big lag between 6 & 7. 140ms seems to be very high? Is there some type of bandwidth gap between Ihug and Global Gateway? Everything below this point is irrelevant.... Cheers, Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uGYITV0Xs0S7UB4RAg8zAJ4yB4wn5iqCWgzhQpljznjnyeTiSQCfaDAu INl9jjcMXNgPbWST7gHB5kE= =qECf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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BreezeNet PRO Serial Adapter...
by Dan Clark 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

Hi all, Does anyone happen to have one of those 3 pin serial adapters for a BreezeNet Unit? Or know the pinouts. Please contact offlist. Kind Regards, Dan Clark DunedinWireless Scarfies.Net Ltd

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Apropos Spamcop, and 2day.com before that.
by Juha Saarinen 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/33724.html -- Juha

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Trademe contact?
by Simon Lyall 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

Has anyone got technical contact for trademe? I've tried their whois and 0900 numbers but their not operating today. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

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Revamp of WIX website
by Andy Linton 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

We've redone the WIX website http://www.wix.net.nz/ and it now has links to the Looking Glass tool as well as some explanations of how we do things. I'm working on a similar revamp of the APE website and will announce in due course. andy

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Update to ihug prefixes
by Simon Lyall 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

We're updated our prefixes. Current list is attached or available at the following URL: http://www.ihug.net/ihug-prefix-list -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

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Re: [nznog] IPv6 Peering on the WIX
by Simon Lyall 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Joe Abley wrote: > If you want to be able to reach the rest of the IPv6 internet, you will > need a transit provider of some kind. Since it sounds like nobody in > New Zealand is offering IPv6 transit, you'll need to look outside the > country and gain v6 transit via a tunnel plumbed over IPv4. Sprint appear to provide a ipv6, it's via tunnels but they provide direct ipv4 connectivity into NZ so you don't have multiple providers. http://www.sprintv6.net/ http://www.sprintv6.net/Sprintv6.html "Sprint has IPv6 speaking routers in New York City, Washington DC, Seattle, Ft. Worth, and San Jose in the US, and routers in Brussels, Belgium, and Stockholm, Sweden, in Europe. Customers who wish to connect to Sprint's IPv6 backbone may do so, by building a tunnel from their CPE (or any device inside their network) to the nearest Sprint IPv6 router. " -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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FW: Windows 2000/XP Remote exploit - High Severity
by Barry Murphy 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

Thought people would like to be advised. Kindest Regards Barry Murphy Subject: Windows 2000/XP Remote exploit - High Severity Dear Barry Murphy, Summary ------- Products affected: Windows 2000/Windows XP Severity: High (Remote Execution) Ports: 139,445 (TCP) Patch: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-049.asp Read more: http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Advisories/AD20031111.html Discovered by: EEYE Digital Security EEYE Digital Security has discovered a bug in the Windows Workstation Service. This bug can lead to the remote exploitation of any Windows 2000 or Windows XP machines. The attacker needs access to ports 139/445. These ports are by default open on a Windows 2000 or XP host. SensePost has access to a proof of concept script that will determine if a host is vulnerable. For more information about the script please contact research(a)sensepost.com. Let's get this hole plugged before the next worm comes along. Regards, SensePost Research Team. ======================================================= SensePost Research research(a)sensepost.com http://www.sensepost.com (tel) +27 12 667 4737 =======================================================

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