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RE: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Zanetti David 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

Jeremy Brooking wrote on 16 April 2003: > On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 11:56, Zanetti David wrote: > > Please let us not head down the path of handing out RFC1918 space to end > > users as if this is a real connection. That way leads to Much Pain with Less > > Than Friendly Protocols. Which seems to be an awful lot beyond CS weenies :) > > 36878 players and 3132 clans ranked on 3 servers in 7 days. > > I wouldnt exactly say 36 thousand paying customers are 'weenies' Never said they weren't paying customers. :) -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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RE: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Zanetti David 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

Nathan Ward wrote on 16 April 2003: > In that case RFC1918 space can be used... else beware the whining gamer > who can't play CounterStrike with a v6 address. Please let us not head down the path of handing out RFC1918 space to end users as if this is a real connection. That way leads to Much Pain with Less Than Friendly Protocols. Which seems to be an awful lot beyond CS weenies :) The day an ISP hands me an address which is RFC1918 is the day I switch away. -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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Re: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Nathan Ward 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

In that case RFC1918 space can be used... else beware the whining gamer who can't play CounterStrike with a v6 address. Nathan Ward Donald Neal wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nathan Ward [mailto:nward(a)esphion.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2003 10:58 >>To: Jeremy Brooking >>Cc: NZNOG >>Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ? >> >> >>It is probably also worth noting that the article implies >>that v6 would >>fix the problem... >>This isn't really true as v4 will still have to be available.. >> >> > >But not to all of the people all of the time. The bulk of traffic from Xtra end users will presumably be going to Xtra's own boxes - email, proxy cache and games. > >- Donald Neal >(all opinions my own, etc.) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. >If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read >it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not >copy or use any part of this communication or disclose >anything about it. Thank you." > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >

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RE: [nznog] tranzpeer leaking at APE
by Robert Purdy (DSL AK) 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

We have also had one of our main providers leaking the global routing table into our routers. Its time to heed Joes advice and ensure your max prefixes are set (or at least your filtering is correctly configured) Cheers Rob Purdy -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] Sent: Monday, 14 April 2003 5:14 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] tranzpeer leaking at APE 192.203.154.46 in AS 9790 seems to be leaking a global table to peers across the APE at the moment; if you aren't filtering (or don't have maximum-prefix limits set) and you were wondering where all your traffic is going, it might be going that way. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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tranzpeer leaking at APE
by Joe Abley 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

192.203.154.46 in AS 9790 seems to be leaking a global table to peers across the APE at the moment; if you aren't filtering (or don't have maximum-prefix limits set) and you were wondering where all your traffic is going, it might be going that way.

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ns iprange
by Edward Yardley 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

Could someone please point me in the direction of a New Zealand IP range list? Regards Edward ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Yardley Director Edan Technologies Limited www.edan.co.nz edward(a)edan.co.nz "Providing plain english technological solutions" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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nz.* newsgroups updates.
by Simon Lyall 12 Apr '03

12 Apr '03

Can you please pass onto your local Usenet admin. I've just removed the following nz.* newsgroups nz.org.isocnz nz.biz.misc Also the following unmoderated newsgroups have been added over the past few months: nz.tech nz.soc.maori Please contact me if you have any further questions, want to arrange feeds etc. Simon. Wearing his "nz.* hierarchy Coordinator" hat. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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Xtra makes appearance on slashdot.
by jfp 09 Apr '03

09 Apr '03

For those that missed it. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/04/09/018236.shtml?tid=95 jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Seeby Woodhouse 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Hi there Neo I notice that you are a HyperNet user. Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a customer of ours. Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP wholesaler in NZ We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a couple in Australia. Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your existing bill :-) (pretty much) The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything you need to know.. Cheers Seeby Woodhouse Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > -----Original Message----- > From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] vISP > > > Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? > Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a > quality, if not, standard service. > > neo > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Netforum 2003
by Roger De Salis 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Gentlefolks, Please find attached a brochure for Netforum 2003. Please note that the extremely strong ISP component will be augmented with additional stuff. The program will likely be moved around a little such that Joe Abley, Ben Martel and Barry Raveendren Greene will be interleaved in such a manner that those specifically interested in the ISP management and design stuff can see it all, rather than having to choose between competing talks. I look forward to meeting you all there... Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)fx.net.nz </' FX Networks +64 25 481 452 /) Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz (/ ` DSL - the 56k modem technology of 2004

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. NZNOG held a face to face gathering as part of the UniForum NZ conference in 2002, and is to do the same again from 10-12 July this year. See http://www.uniforum.org.nz/conference 2003/conference.html for details, but note that the NZNOG schedule there is well short of final. NZNOG doesn't hold other national face to face meetings, but see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 470 addresses subscribed, increasing by around twenty a month at present. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins -- Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Bogon update 60/8 and 223/8
by Rob Thomas 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

[ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] IANA has received 223/8 *from* APNIC, and allocated 60/8 *to* APNIC. Thus 223/8 reverts to RESERVED (bogon) status and 60/8 moves to ALLOCATED status. The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA allocation on April 08, 2003: 60/8 Apr 03 APNIC 223/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved NOTE WELL: This post includes an allocation and a DE-ALLOCATION. Please be sure to adjust your filters accordingly. IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters. The use of the bogon route-server will automate these updates for you and your network (see below). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html> A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/> The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose and Strict (Juniper) BGP <http://www.cymru.com/BGP/bogon-rs.html> Bogon route-server[*] RADb <http://www.radb.net/cgi-bin/radb/whois.cgi?obj=fltr-bogons> <http://www.radb.net/cgi-bin/radb/whois.cgi?obj=fltr-unallocated> <http://www.radb.net/cgi-bin/radb/whois.cgi?obj=fltr-martian> fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html#dns> Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring <http://www.cymru.com/BGP/> Bogon prefix monitoring [*] All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Team Cymru http://www.cymru.com/About/teamcymru.html ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Steve Phillips 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

Before I start, I believe this to be on topic as it pertains to some that are on this list. While strictly speaking not a 'NOG' issue, using 'marketing' under the guise of 'it cuts down chatter' or 'needless questions' is IMHO not something that should make it onto a list that is here for technical discussion - sure, answer the post, but keep it technical. At 12:20 7/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote: >My apologies to Steve and others that may hold similar views that my >post was inappropriate. I am sure that "sorry" means "I wont do it again" - so I expect that this will be the case. >My resons for copying the list were: >- There are obviously people subscribed to the list interested in VISP >services that haven't yet heard of us, hence a reply to the person >concerned as well as the list will save future queries. "Orcon does it" - hmm, stopping future enquiries by sending people directly to you as the first stop ? sounds markedly like marketing to me. >- There are a lot of Orcon staff members subscribed to NZNOG, and >multiple people may have replied to this person if they hadn't seen a >post from me. I'm sure you are more than capable of contacting your own staff (BCC works wonders to an all-staff mailing list) and replying to the person enquiring without even touching this list. >I only post very occasionally, and although my post was promoting >Orcon's services, I felt that it was on topic. And it appears that anytime i see you 'post' something it is either defending Orcon after they screwed up or trying to market your company in the wrong forums. >Steve - I feel just as strongly as you about keeping posts relevant in >NZNOG, but if every time someone posts something that a competitor feels >is a 'plug' or of marginal value, they get publically dragged through >the coals for it, then: This was not marginal - it was against the reasons this list was set up. This is a technical list, not a "come buy off me" list. >A) people are going to be afraid to post articles that could be relevant >to NZNOG unless they are totally sure of relevance and ISP neutrality. And possibly this should be the case - the NOG is a group of operators, we post things that are of relevance to everyone, not simply random drivel that we _think_ might interest people. The people that are members of this list and _do_ actually post usually do so in a neutral way - with the occasional dig thrown in as this is a friendly group (as a whole) and we do know each other and their respective trades/affiliations. >B) The number of 'flame' posts critisizing people for their posts will >keep outnumbering the actual posts, which is just a waste of everyone's >time. (this is now the 4th post on this thread, when it could have >stopped at two, as only the first two were relevant) >In future, if you don't like my posts, then email me privately as I will >take your comments on board. This I thought long about - I _was_ going to e-mail you privately, but then no one else would get the benefit of understanding why they just got told off for posting their own random drivel as "but Seeby did it and got away with it x years ago !" And as for the 'flames out numbering the posts' - surely this could be a warning to someone that actually starts to post with a biased opinion on an apparently 'unbiased' list ? And as for taking comments on board' that's cool - since when have you actually _acted_ on these comments ? you used to do this same thing on usenet over and over despite people _publicly_ telling you not to. It appears that you simply don't listen. >Personally - I am happy to receive emails from other NZNOG members that >are of borderline relevance, because it all helps to fit together the >jigsaw of what is happening in the industry, and I want know what is >going on, and who we're up against, If I didn't like the sort of posts >that people are putting up, then I'd unsubscribe. That's great, we are happy that you are happy, however, I am rather unhappy that when i post responses to peoples queries such as this I try my hardest to ensure that I in no way bias the user toward the company I work for, If I really believe that we offer the only service of this nature then I will tend to reply in private or simply post a "please contact me off list" type post - it actually makes me quite angry when someone else puts forward resources that are hijacked by some marketing drone who feels that simply because the resource is there they have some innate right to pollute everyone's mailboxen with their marketing drivel. Now, some constructive criticism to take on board. When replying to this post, you could have mentioned the other ISP's that offer VISP's, you could also have mentioned that many other ISP's would be more than willing to help setup a VISP were they being paid for it (setup costs and consulting possibly) To mention a few ISP's VISP/E3/ICONZ Morenet Ihug Attica Orcon and possibly Paradise There are also a large number of ex ISP staff that know pretty much everything there is to know about setting up an ISP and would be more than willing to offer their services to assist and advise on setups/costs etc and could also be there to offer ongoing support should you require it. (reading archives will show some names up) These all offer differing plans for telehousing/co-location should you wish to own and operate your own servers and could assist in setups, licensing fee's, backboning current infrastructure and some can even lease equipment to you and/or give you virtual space on their own managed systems. They pretty much all have account managers that you can contact for things like this and you would probably find that they will bend over backwards to have you on board. As for reputations - just look about the Internet and ask people that you know that are in the internet business how the various companies conduct themselves - also, don't forget that you are able to ask for 'reference customers' from most organisations that will put you in contact with someone that will tell you what the overall experience has been like. Starting a VISP may seem 'easy' but there should be a lot of work involved before you choose which provider to go with, and don't be scared of doing a little ground work before you make the final decision. <end example> Seeby, you should know better, infact, I _know_ that you know better and just like to push the boundaries of what's acceptable - Someday I sincerely hope it comes back to kick you in the posterior -- Steve.

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Seeby Woodhouse 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

My apologies to Steve and others that may hold similar views that my post was inappropriate. My resons for copying the list were: - There are obviously people subscribed to the list interested in VISP services that haven't yet heard of us, hence a reply to the person concerned as well as the list will save future queries. - There are a lot of Orcon staff members subscribed to NZNOG, and multiple people may have replied to this person if they hadn't seen a post from me. I only post very occasionally, and although my post was promoting Orcon's services, I felt that it was on topic. Steve - I feel just as strongly as you about keeping posts relevant in NZNOG, but if every time someone posts something that a competitor feels is a 'plug' or of marginal value, they get publically dragged through the coals for it, then: A) people are going to be afraid to post articles that could be relevant to NZNOG unless they are totally sure of relevance and ISP neutrality. B) The number of 'flame' posts critisizing people for their posts will keep outnumbering the actual posts, which is just a waste of everyone's time. (this is now the 4th post on this thread, when it could have stopped at two, as only the first two were relevant) In future, if you don't like my posts, then email me privately as I will take your comments on board. Personally - I am happy to receive emails from other NZNOG members that are of borderline relevance, because it all helps to fit together the jigsaw of what is happening in the industry, and I want know what is going on, and who we're up against, If I didn't like the sort of posts that people are putting up, then I'd unsubscribe. Cheers Seeby Woodhouse Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2003 6:57 a.m. > To: NZNOG Mailing List (NZNOG Mailing List) > Subject: RE: [nznog] vISP > > > Was it really necessary to reply to the list like this Seeby ? > > This sort of marketing thing should be kept off list - a simple "yes, > contact me off list for details" would have sufficed. > > (but then you already know this as you have been told > repeatedly about this > sort of thing in various forums over the past two to three > years _at least_) > > I guess this would mean that Orcon doesn't fit at least one > of his criteria > then, an ISP that SPAMs to sell its own services could hardly > be called > "reputable" > > > -- > Steve. > > At 20:07 6/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote: > >Hi there Neo > > > >I notice that you are a HyperNet user. > >Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a > customer of > >ours. Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP > wholesaler in > >NZ We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a > >couple in Australia. > > > >Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your > existing bill > >:-) > >(pretty much) > > > >The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp > (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) > >he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything > you need > >to know.. > > > >Cheers > > > >Seeby Woodhouse > >Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz > >Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] > > > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. > > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: [nznog] vISP > > > > > > > > > Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? > Providing > > > your an honest entity and capable of providing a quality, if not, > > > standard service. > > > > > > neo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nznog mailing list > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Nznog mailing list > >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > -- > Steve Phillips > Professional Slacker > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/CS/CC d- s+:- a- C++++(---)$ UL++++$ UB++++$ US++++$ > UC++++$ P+ L+++$ > E- W-(+) N+$ w$ O V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+@ 5+++ tv++ b+ G e+>* > h r--- z+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To decode see > http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Steve Phillips 06 Apr '03

06 Apr '03

Was it really necessary to reply to the list like this Seeby ? This sort of marketing thing should be kept off list - a simple "yes, contact me off list for details" would have sufficed. (but then you already know this as you have been told repeatedly about this sort of thing in various forums over the past two to three years _at least_) I guess this would mean that Orcon doesn't fit at least one of his criteria then, an ISP that SPAMs to sell its own services could hardly be called "reputable" -- Steve. At 20:07 6/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote: >Hi there Neo > >I notice that you are a HyperNet user. >Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a customer of >ours. >Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP wholesaler in NZ >We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a couple >in Australia. > >Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your existing bill >:-) >(pretty much) > >The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) >he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything you need to >know.. > >Cheers > >Seeby Woodhouse >Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz >Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] > > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: [nznog] vISP > > > > > > Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? > > Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a > > quality, if not, standard service. > > > > neo > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > >_______________________________________________ >Nznog mailing list >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Steve Phillips Professional Slacker -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CS/CC d- s+:- a- C++++(---)$ UL++++$ UB++++$ US++++$ UC++++$ P+ L+++$ E- W-(+) N+$ w$ O V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+@ 5+++ tv++ b+ G e+>* h r--- z+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To decode see http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/

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New IANA IPv4 DE-allocations and bogon updates
by Rob Thomas 06 Apr '03

06 Apr '03

[ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA DE-allocations on April 05, 2003: 173/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 174/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 175/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 176/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 177/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 178/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 179/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 180/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 181/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 182/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 183/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 184/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 185/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 186/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 187/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 189/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 190/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved Note well: These are IP DE-allocations which increases the number of Bogon networks! Also note that 188/8 is NOT part of the list above. IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters if you are not using the bogon BGP feed(s). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Strict (Juniper) BGP Bogon route-server * RADb fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring Bogon prefix monitoring * All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. [http://www.cymru.com/About/teamcymru.html] -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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vISP
by neo 05 Apr '03

05 Apr '03

Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a quality, if not, standard service. neo

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New IANA IPv4 allocations and bogon updates
by Rob Thomas 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA allocation on April 04, 2003: 201/8 Apr 03 LACNIC (whois.lacnic.net) IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters if you are not using the bogon BGP feed(s). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose and Strict (Juniper) BGP Bogon route-server * RADb fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring Bogon prefix monitoring * All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. [http://www.cymru.com/About/teamcymru.html] -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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Fwd: [public-consult] Geek.nz up for submissions
by Robert McDonald 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

FYI ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [public-consult] Geek.nz up for submissions Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:25:23 +1200 From: "Gavin Lambert" <gavinl(a)compacsort.com> To: <public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz> I'm a little surprised there hasn't been an official announcement on this list; or perhaps there has and I just missed it somehow. Anyway, for those like me that hadn't heard before, the proposal for geek.nz has now entered the "Request for Submissions" phase. More details can be found at: http://www.dnc.org.nz/story/30107-30-1.html _______________________________________________ public-consult mailing list public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz http://listserver.internetnz.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/public-consult ------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net

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NZ importer for reliawave WLAN ?
by Steve Wright 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Can anyone point me to a NZ importer for Reliawave WLAN Gear ? vis, http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz/reliawave-rwz-200mw-prism2… TIA, Steve

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FW: RFC 3514
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

I'm surprised nobody posted this yesterday > -----Original Message----- > > You may like to check out this excellent new RFC: > > ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3514.txt > > Mark Harris > Senior Advisor, State Services Commission > Tel: 64 4 495 2844 >

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RE: CERT Advisory CA-2003-12 Buffer Overflow in Sendmail
by Tony Wicks 30 Mar '03

30 Mar '03

Hi all, the Redhat mirror server ftp.wicks.co.nz ( ftp.isl.net.nz ) now has the Sendmail updates. Infact it just synced up the updates for Redhat 9.0, which is a bit ironic as 9.0 is not even released yet. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > CERT Advisory CA-2003-12 Buffer Overflow in Sendmail > > > > Original release date: March 29, 2003 > > Last revised: > > Source: CERT/CC > > > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > > > Systems Affected > > > > * Sendmail Pro (all versions) > > * Sendmail Switch 2.1 prior to 2.1.6 > > * Sendmail Switch 2.2 prior to 2.2.6 > > * Sendmail Switch 3.0 prior to 3.0.4 > > * Sendmail for NT 2.X prior to 2.6.3 > > * Sendmail for NT 3.0 prior to 3.0.4 > > * Systems running open-source sendmail versions prior > to 8.12.9, > > including UNIX and Linux systems > > > > Overview > > > > There is a vulnerability in sendmail that can be exploited > to cause a > > denial-of-service condition and could allow a remote > attacker to > > execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the > sendmail daemon, > > typically root. > > > > I. Description > > > > There is a remotely exploitable vulnerability in sendmail > that could > > allow an attacker to gain control of a vulnerable > sendmail server. > > Address parsing code in sendmail does not adequately check > the length > > of email addresses. An email message with a specially > crafted address > > could trigger a stack overflow. This vulnerability was > discovered by > > Michal Zalewski. > > > > This vulnerability is different than the one described in CA-2003-07. > > > > Most organizations have a variety of mail transfer agents > (MTAs) at > > various locations within their network, with at least one > exposed to > > the Internet. Since sendmail is the most popular > MTA, most > > medium-sized to large organizations are likely to have at > least one > > vulnerable sendmail server. In addition, many UNIX > and Linux > > workstations provide a sendmail implementation that is > enabled and > > running by default. > > > > This vulnerability is message-oriented as > opposed to > > connection-oriented. That means that the vulnerability is > triggered by > > the contents of a specially-crafted email message > rather than by > > lower-level network traffic. This is important because > an MTA that > > does not contain the vulnerability will pass the > malicious message > > along to other MTAs that may be protected at the network > level. In > > other words, vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of > a network > > are still at risk, even if the site's border MTA uses > software other > > than sendmail. Also, messages capable of exploiting this > vulnerability > > may pass undetected through many common packet filters or firewalls. > > > > This vulnerability has been successfully exploited to > cause a > > denial-of-service condition in a laboratory > environment. It is > > possible that this vulnerability could be used to execute > code on some > > vulnerable systems. > > > > The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#897604. This > reference number > > corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2003-0161. > > > > For more information, please see > > > > http://www.sendmail.org > > http://www.sendmail.org/8.12.9.html > > http://www.sendmail.com/security/ > > > > For the latest information about this vulnerability, > including the > > most recent vendor information, please see > > > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/897604 > > > > This vulnerability is distinct from VU#398025. > > > > II. Impact > > > > Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may > cause a > > denial-of-service condition or allow an attacker to > gain the > > privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. Even > vulnerable > > sendmail servers on the interior of a given network may > be at risk > > since the vulnerability is triggered by the contents of a > malicious > > email message. > > > > III. Solution > > > > Apply a patch from Sendmail, Inc. > > > > Sendmail has produced patches for versions 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, > and 8.12. > > However, the vulnerability also exists in earlier > versions of the > > code; therefore, site administrators using an earlier > version are > > encouraged to upgrade to 8.12.9. These patches, and a > signature file, > > are located at > > > > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/prescan.tar.gz.uu > > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/prescan.tar.gz.uu.asc > > > > Apply a patch from your vendor > > > > Many vendors include vulnerable sendmail servers as > part of their > > software distributions. We have notified vendors of this > vulnerability > > and recorded the statements they provided in Appendix > A of this > > advisory. The most recent vendor information can be > found in the > > systems affected section of VU#897604. > > > > Enable the RunAsUser option > > > > There is no known workaround for this vulnerability. Until a > patch can > > be applied, you may wish to set the RunAsUser option to > reduce the > > impact of this vulnerability. As a good general practice, > the CERT/CC > > recommends limiting the privileges of an application > or service > > whenever possible. > > > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors > for this > > advisory. As vendors report new information to the > CERT/CC, we will > > update this section and note the changes in our revision > history. If a > > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not > received their > > comments. > > > > Red Hat Inc. > > > > Red Hat distributes sendmail in all Red Hat Linux > distributions. We > > are currently [Mar29] working on producing errata packages > to correct > > this issue, when complete these will be available > along with our > > advisory at the URL below. At the same time users of > the Red Hat > > Network will be able to update their systems using the > 'up2date' tool. > > > > Red Hat Linux: > > > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-120.html > > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux: > > > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-121.html > > > > The Sendmail Consortium > > > > The Sendmail Consortium recommends that sites upgrade > to 8.12.9 > > whenever possible. Alternatively, patches are available for > 8.9, 8.10, > > 8.11, and 8.12 on http://www.sendmail.org/. > > > > Sendmail, Inc. > > > > All commercial releases including Sendmail Switch, > Sendmail Advanced > > Message Server (which includes the Sendmail Switch MTA), > Sendmail for > > NT, and Sendmail Pro are affected by this issue. Patch > information is > > available at http://www.sendmail.com/security/. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Our thanks to Eric Allman, Claus Assmann, Greg > Shapiro, and Dave > > Anderson of Sendmail for reporting this problem and > for their > > assistance in coordinating the response to this problem. We > also thank > > Michal Zalewski for discovering this vulnerability. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Authors: Art Manion and Shawn V. Hernan > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > This document is available from: > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-12.html > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > > > Email: cert(a)cert.org > > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > > Postal address: > > CERT Coordination Center > > Software Engineering Institute > > Carnegie Mellon University > > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > > U.S.A. > > > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 > EST(GMT-5) / > > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for > emergencies > > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > > > Using encryption > > > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent > by email. > > Our public PGP key is available from > > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT > hotline for more > > information. > > > > Getting security information > > > > CERT publications and other security information are > available from > > our web site > > http://www.cert.org/ > > > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and > bulletins, > > send email to majordomo(a)cert.org. Please include in the > body of your > > message > > > > subscribe cert-advisory > > > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered > in the U.S. > > Patent and Trademark Office. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > NO WARRANTY > > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and > the Software > > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" > basis. Carnegie > > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either > expressed or > > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, > warranty of > > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, > exclusivity or > > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon > University > > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to > freedom from > > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > > > Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. > > Revision History > > > > March 29,2003: Initial release > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQCVAwUBPoX5XGjtSoHZUTs5AQHvjgQAqTy3GQnszPHtUnUBX7VDM4NKSesFHHvC > > 2JmDAMPYmCO2b32xvWDmMcWdPhOBmJLB2o6zv7mRWX1K0B1GN5TBErIii6dxTaDD > > OAUNjirMGdTr+WnxIjdk0gj57JbOU6ZdHHcAijG5SE/dZq4sMrOCGEAMJTVNDzYp > > BtHbFwDeLEY= > > =dgBI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >

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Moderation etc.
by Donald Neal 30 Mar '03

30 Mar '03

NZNOG People, I'd like to make a number of comments about events on this list over the last couple of days. This is partly because I simply don't have the time to respond individually to all of the emails sent to me. Sorry. But first, a brief chronology of some of this morning's events: 9:03 List notified that mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz has been unsubscribed 10:11 List notified that phuct up(a)msn.com has been unsubscribed 10:19 Abusive email with forged From address posted to the list 10:31 "^god" with address god(a)hackers.net.nz subscribes to the list 10:39 Address god(a)hackers.net.nz unsubscribed by administrator 11:00 Notice from Xtra received that originator of abusive email has been removed from Xtra's network. All of which makes sense to me, but it's taken us some time to get here. The current AUP process is written to allow a certain amount of stupidity to take place before people get unsubscribed. For myself, I'd prefer to keep it that way. Complaining to the List ----------------------- Over the last couple of days, we've seen a considerable number of postings to the list complaining about AUP breaches. I don't mind people emailing me directly, and I certainly don't mind people emailing the senders of such email directly either, but please don't send this sort of thing to the list. It does not seem to influence people who are being intentionally silly, but does swell the volume of non-operational postings. Moderation ---------- There have been a number of quite understandable suggestions of late that the list should become moderated, if only for a time. I remain unwilling to do this. This is partly to ensure that relevant operational material can be disseminated quickly. It is also because it doesn't look to me possible to square moderation in any circumstances with continuing denial that the administrator is responsible for the content of the list or its archive. Administration Head Count ------------------------- The existing process for dealing with idiocy in varying degrees relies on the issuing of warnings. Faster issuing of warnings would result in faster unsubscription of the determinedly anti-social. One way to achieve that would be to move from having a single list administrator to having more than one. Which raises the twin questions of whether there'd be any volunteers for such a role, and "In whom do the people trust?" - Donald Neal List Administrator -- Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Peer moderation
by Michael Hallager 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

Hello all, I do not trust peer moderation or a pair review process to get on this list. There is currently a issue going on between two respectable ISP's that has culminated in mail blocking - A sad state of affiars for the NZ Internet as I thought we got over this nonsense last century. (Remember Voyager vs. Xtra?). I will not name these two ISPs at this point as I respect them both and I believe that my mail is able to get through although I havn't checked. To the two ISP's involved I say - You have both been around for long enough and you are both of a big enough size to sort this out in an amicable fastion and set a good example for newer and/or smaller players. I suggest that your relevant management peoples gets together and sorts the issues out. (That is, if you havn't already). I do not run an ISP (Although I work part time for one in a technical role). I run a business selling used high end networking equipment and setting up Linux systems. I am a one man band here trying to make an honest living. As I have the skills and inclination, I run all my own servers (Mail, web etc). My network is used purely by myself and I have *never* caused anyone any trouble or had any complaints about how my system is operated. Yet, despite being an innocent third party, I am caught out by what is going on higher up in the scheme of things. C'mon you two, what is the use of a knowledge economy, internet yada yada etc, if this sort of games are still going on? No wonder ISP's have the reputation of used car dealers. (Many of whom have actually cleaned up their act now). No wonder there is call for ISP's to be "licensed". http://computerworld.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/DF3A054F76F9698ECC256CE10008E9D… Best regards to all, Michael Hallager Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited Networkstuff Limited

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Re: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Ewen McNeill 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

In message <20030328020710.GH10265(a)citylink.co.nz>, Simon Blake writes: >On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:31:53PM +1200, Donald Neal said: >> The existing process for dealing with idiocy in varying degrees relies >> on the issuing of warnings. [....] One achieve that would be to move >> from having a single list administrator to having more than one. [...] > >Rather than moderate the content, why not just close list membership? >[delete all; add only "genuine NZ network operators"] I'm not sure if I officially get a say (I probably don't count technically count as a "genuine NZ network operator"), but I've been around the 'net a fair while now, and I'm opinionated, so I'm going to have one anyway. Some points in vague order: - I know of a bunch of people who are not technically "genuine NZ network operators" who benefit from reading the list (and more have posted in this thread) -- "up and coming" people, people loosely related to network operation who wish to stay "in touch" with what is going on (I'm probably most accurately in that category), etc. - For the most part those people get the benefit from reading, rather than posting to the list; "read only" access might well be sufficient 99% of the time for them. - Following a list (in "real time") by reading archives on the Interweb sucks. Screen scraping off the archives of a mailing list that are on a web page into email again to make it easier to follow is rather baroque. (But better than trying to follow discussions in real time on the Interweb; seems 20 years of UI discoveries got thrown out when the WWW got invented....) - People who "listen but don't talk" don't create much of a disturbance to the list operation. There aren't really (m)any secrets where public knowledge in "real time" would be an issue. - So if there needs to be moderation (note: I've not yet expressed a view), then it need only be on the posting side. "Read only" subscriptions could be left open to "those who can understand the content" or similar with no obvious downside. - Moderation of all postings is very disruptive to discussion particularly of things happening in real time (not to mention a high load on the moderator(s)) - Therefore it is probably desirable that as few postings as possible be moderated, without allowing the list to be flooded with large volumes of off topic stuff. - The set of people who post (on topic) often is relatively small, and relatively static, and could probably be maintained by hand by a small (eg, one person) team of moderators. - So if there is to be moderation (note: still not expressing a view) a potentially more workable solution is not to moderate who can join the list read-only; just to moderate who can post, and "hand moderate" the remaining posts. People posting a few good posts would be added to the "can post without additional moderation" list. Over a short period of time (especially with pre-seeding) those posting "on topic" messages would get put on the "can post without additional moderation" list, and that list would be fairly static. This should be relatively non-intrustrive, and relatively non-demanding on moderator time. This basically boils down to Simon (Blake)'s proposal, but with the restriction being on "posting access" only. The only real catch is "when good posters go bad", which could perhaps be dealt with in the same way as now (but with the implicit addition that their newly invented addresses would not immediately gain posting access). As to the original question: - I lean towards the point of view that this has basically been a one-shot deal and going closed-list/all-moderated/etc over it is probably an over-reaction. If people would stop feeding the trolls (even off list) then it'll probably all die a natural death. - As such I'm not particularly in favour of moderation. - With a little arm twisting I would be willing to be one of a team of moderators for the list (on a "if it needs to be done, and no one else is doing it" basis). I could recite a list of reasons why I'm qualified, but what it boils down to is that I've been about the NZ Internet for quite a while, seen my share of flame wars, etc, but don't work at any network operators so would hopefully be seen as neutral. (As I said above, I'd rather it wasn't moderated. But if it is, I'm willing to help out if necessary) Ewen

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Re: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Jamie Baddeley 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

for what it's worth I agree with this. alternatively don't accept list members that have disposable email addresses (hotmail.com, email.com, msn.com, yahoo.co.nz etc etc), or a perverse fascination with bonzai buddy ;-) jamie >>> Simon Blake <simon(a)citylink.co.nz> 03/28 2:07 PM >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:31:53PM +1200, Donald Neal said: > The existing process for dealing with idiocy in varying degrees relies > on the issuing of warnings. Faster issuing of warnings would result in > faster unsubscription of the determinedly anti-social. One way to > achieve that would be to move from having a single list administrator > to having more than one. Which raises the twin questions of whether > there'd be any volunteers for such a role, and "In whom do the people > trust?" Rather than moderate the content, why not just close list membership? Delete everybody off the list, add back on the people you know are genuine NZ network operators, and set the list up so that requests to join get sent to some group of moderators (or to the list). Then, vett new requests to join through the current members. Leave the web pages and archives public, so that the world can still read about what we're up to. Yes, it's cliquey, yes, it's elitist, but well, who cares. It's the Network Operators Group - we need to get it a back on topic PDQ, otherwise it'll cease to have any relevancy to the community it seeks to serve, and it'll get replaced with something else (that probably will have a closed membership). Cheers Si > - Donald Neal > List Administrator > > -- > Donald Neal | piano - a musical > Technical Specialist | shipping line. > Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] > Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read > it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not > copy or use any part of this communication or disclose > anything about it. Thank you." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Zanetti David 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] wrote: > I'm a great believer in leaving things alone. Currently we have a > large number of people on the list who aren't exactly "network > operators" . The vast majority of these people are no problem and > don't even post. Some of them will post sometimes when something > in their area comes up. I tend to support this view. I'm sure I don't qualify as a "network operator" by implying a definition from people's posts, but I don't believe I've been seeding the list with problems, and one or two trouble makers just need to be dealt with and we move on. Ironically I suspect more traffic will be created by debating this than was created by the orignal outburst or the last six months.. IMO. :) -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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Re: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Michael Hallager 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:17, Juha Saarinen wrote: [SNIP] > I think you're probably asking a lot of Donald there. So he's to work out > a definition of what exactly constitutes a NZ network operator (ie. > network operators from other countries are banned) and then verify who > exactly fits the definition. How would he do that? I quite agree. There are many networks in NZ and many operators. Would op's of internet connected companies qualify or just op's of ISP's? Would VISP's qualify? Alot of them don't know very much about operating an Internet network, which is why they are "VISP's", and yet they should still be welcome here and be able to contribute. > Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not how NANOG operates. If they > can handle the occasional outburst of off-topic messages, and I'm sure > they get more of that on NANOG than on NZNOG, then the participants on > this list are probably able to do so as well. I say that this is a knee-jerk reaction to some of Sahil's friends causing trouble. I vote that we ignore them and continue on as per usual. > Closing NZNOG would set a bad example, IMO. There is enough "clubs" and "secret societies" in the world without closing NZNOG based on the whims and ideals of a few. The Internet is meant to be a tool of democracy and an open one at that. Lets keep it that way. How can we criticise [The NZ closed club of the Internet] if we go and do the same? Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) LImited Networkstuff Limited -------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Ian Quinn 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

> Note that I'm basically discussing "rights to post" here. I'm not >From vague memory, nanog had two levels of subscription (read only, and read/post). Maybe the same thing could be done here. Then if they abuse it, shift people off the read/post list more aggressively than currently is the case. They don't lose the ability to hear what's going on. Regards / Ian -----Original Message----- From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:03 PM To: Michael Hallager Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Moderation etc. On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 02:32:40PM +1200, Michael Hallager said: > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:17, Juha Saarinen wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > I think you're probably asking a lot of Donald there. So he's to work out > > a definition of what exactly constitutes a NZ network operator (ie. > > network operators from other countries are banned) and then verify who > > exactly fits the definition. How would he do that? > > I quite agree. There are many networks in NZ and many operators. > Would op's of internet connected companies qualify or just op's of ISP's? > Would VISP's qualify? Alot of them don't know very much about > operating an Internet network, which is why they are "VISP's", and yet > they should still be welcome here and be able to contribute. Trial by a jury of your peers. If the members of the list know you as an operator, you get on. If they don't, you don't. There doesn't need to be any formal defn of what constitutes an operator, merely that the current members are happy for you to be on the list. In practice, I imagine this would become "unless you're a really annoying piece of work, and somebody complains vociferously about your request to join, you'll get on". Note that I'm basically discussing "rights to post" here. I'm not suggesting that the archives shouldn't be public, and if there was a way to allow Joe Random Public to join readonly without a vetting process, then that's all good as well. > > Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not how NANOG operates. If they > > can handle the occasional outburst of off-topic messages, and I'm sure > > they get more of that on NANOG than on NZNOG, then the participants on > > this list are probably able to do so as well. > > I say that this is a knee-jerk reaction to some of Sahil's friends causing > trouble. I vote that we ignore them and continue on as per usual. It's been a thought that's occurred to me and others every so often during at least the last four years. We could ignore them, or we could try and fix NZNOG to be a better thing, coz at the moment it's broken, teenagers or no. > > Closing NZNOG would set a bad example, IMO. > > There is enough "clubs" and "secret societies" in the world without closing > NZNOG based on the whims and ideals of a few. So, there are lots of closed lists, so we shouldn't tidy our one? > The Internet is meant to be a tool of democracy and an open one at that. The Internet isn't *meant* to be anything. It just is. I don't believe that the orginal creators of the 'net had anything to say about its democratic value. I'm prepared to stand corrected, of course. There are costs and barriers you must overcome to become a network operator. Why shouldn't there be a small barrier to you participating in a network operators list? > Lets keep it that way. Sounds like an arguement for untrammelled access to your mailbox by spammers to me. > How can we criticise [The NZ closed club of the Internet] if we go and do > the same? I didn't realise that criticism of the "The NZ closed club of the Internet" was part of NZNOG's role. Maybe that should be put on the list info pages :-). Cheers Si _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Heads up: 167.179.0.0/16 seems to be hijacked
by Juha Saarinen 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Allocated to Tower Group, but advertised by someone in Florida. http://openrbl.org/ip/167/179/4/67.htm http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2425 http://spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL7859 Contains "interesting" domains like: m67.affordable-shopping.com [167.179.4.67] m116.your-products.net [167.179.1.116] m88.super-shops.net[167.179.3.88] m73.discount-shops.net[167.179.2.73] mx175.optin-america.com[196.4.167.179] It was used internally at Tower, but not advertised to the rest of the world, so it was easy prey apparently. Is this a common occurence on the Interweb? -- Juha Saarinen

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Price of APNIC /16 allocation?
by Juha Saarinen 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Could someone please give me a rough idea how much a /16 from APNIC would cost? -- Juha Saarinen

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RE: List of Admins.
by Xtra Security Team 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Hi All, The offender has been removed from the Xtra Network. Regards Xtra Security and Abuse Team Support : http://xtra.co.nz/security ******************************************** This email is for the person(s) identified above, and is confidential to the sender and the person(s). No one else is authorised to use or disseminate this email or its contents. The email or its contents do not necessarily represent the views of Xtra Limited or Telecom. ********************************************

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Re: [nznog] List of Admins.
by Craig Spiers 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

at least someone has their head screwed on straight this morning! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Whitmore" <lennon(a)orcon.net.nz> To: "Craig Spiers" <craig(a)concept.net.nz> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [nznog] List of Admins. > I've already complained to abuse(a)xtra >

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None
by craig＠concept.net.nz 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Im a fuckwit

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RE: [nznog] List of Admins.
by phuct up 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

I no like listen you, undastan? You are fucky me upy and I will resign upy Undastan? -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 8:48 a.m. To: phuct_up(a)msn.com Subject: FW: [nznog] List of Admins. You appear to have made a number of postings to the NZNOG list yesterday without operational content and failing to show appropriate respect for other subscribers. This is a second warning as outlined in paragraph 10 of the AUP. Please immediately change the volume and nature of your postings to the list. Donald Neal Mailing List Administrator Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct up [mailto:phuct up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 22:48 > To: 'Matthew G Brown' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > > I leave you alone if you no post no more message, undastan? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:47 p.m. > To: 'phuct up' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > Leave me alone. I have networks to run. I am finished with my NET4U > posts. > > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct up [mailto:phuct up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:42 PM > To: 'Matthew G Brown' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > > Im osama. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:40 p.m. > To: 'phuct up' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > And you would be ?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct up [mailto:phuct up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:34 PM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > Importance: High > > > I thought I tell you no post, okay? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:36 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] List of Admins. > > What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone > maintaining an up to date page recently ? > > {sorry "osama"} > > Best Regards > > Matthew G Brown > Chief Executive > B & R Holdings LIMITED > Information Technology Holdings Company > http://www.brh.co.nz > > > > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------

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Notice of Unsubscription - Updated
by Donald Neal 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

NZNOG People, As you will no doubt be aware, paragraph ten of this list's Acceptable Use Policy reads: 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. I have this morning unsubscribed the following addresses: mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz phuct up(a)msn.com - Donald Neal List Administrator Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Nog list
by Tim John 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Donald, <> I have this morning unsubscribed the address mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz. This is the first time in [counts on fingers] around seven years of this list's operation that this has been done. I'm disappointed that it was necessary. </> I understand your concerns, but how can it be disappointing to take this action against someone who obviously shouldn't have been on this list in the first place !! Surely people having the email insignia of 'a' and 'phuct up' are a dead giveaway of the type of people we DON'T want on the NOG. I think this thread in some aspects has expired and I have started using my trusty old "Delete" key to simply remove certain messages before reading them, particularly those from the two address mentioned above. I suggest the _real_ subscribers of this list follow suit and take the attitude that 'ignore them and they will go away'. I'm sure it's only fun for these guys if they get a response. My 2c Tim DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you.

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Notice of Unsubscription
by Donald Neal 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

NZNOG People, As you will no doubt be aware, paragraph ten of this list's Acceptable Use Policy reads: 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. I have this morning unsubscribed the address mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz. This is the first time in [counts on fingers] around seven years of this list's operation that this has been done. I'm disappointed that it was necessary. - Donald Neal List Administrator Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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ASN allocation update
by Rob Thomas 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have read this post in other fora. ] As of 24 March 2003 IANA has allocated a new block of ASN's to ARIN. The ASN range changes are: Was 29696 - 32767 Held by the IANA Now 29696 - 30719 Allocated by ARIN (March 2003) Now 30720 - 32767 Held by the IANA The bogus ASN monitoring has been updated to reflect this change. You should update any filters you have. The bogus ASN report, which shows ASN's leaking private, unallocated, and reserved ASN's, is located here: <http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html> I now return you to your previously scheduled Net4U thread. ;) Thanks, Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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RE: [nznog] List of Admins.
by phuct up 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Hey no talk me like that or I no like you anymore do u undastan! -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)comsolve.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:52 p.m. To: phuct up Cc: matt(a)brh.co.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] List of Admins. Grow up. Matthew is someone who contributes to Nznog regually and we all know who he is. You are some smart arse little twat running from a @msn address. Chances are you are not a network admin, so what the hell are you doing on this list anyway? Grow up or go away. Michael Hallager > I thought I tell you no post, okay? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:36 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] List of Admins. > > What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone > maintaining an up to date page recently ? > > {sorry "osama"} > > Best Regards > > Matthew G Brown > Chief Executive > B & R Holdings LIMITED > Information Technology Holdings Company > http://www.brh.co.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] List of Admins.
by phuct up 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I leave you alone if you no post no more message, undastan? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:47 p.m. To: 'phuct up' Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. Leave me alone. I have networks to run. I am finished with my NET4U posts. -----Original Message----- From: phuct up [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:42 PM To: 'Matthew G Brown' Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. Im osama. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:40 p.m. To: 'phuct up' Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. And you would be ?? -----Original Message----- From: phuct up [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:34 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. Importance: High I thought I tell you no post, okay? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:36 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] List of Admins. What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone maintaining an up to date page recently ? {sorry "osama"} Best Regards Matthew G Brown Chief Executive B & R Holdings LIMITED Information Technology Holdings Company http://www.brh.co.nz _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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List of Admins.
by Matthew G Brown 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone maintaining an up to date page recently ? {sorry "osama"} Best Regards Matthew G Brown Chief Executive B & R Holdings LIMITED Information Technology Holdings Company http://www.brh.co.nz

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Net4u
by Timothy Law 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I wonder if this was really Sahil or someone hacked his account Headers are as follows Return-Path: <nobody(a)sahil.net.nz> Received: from vscan.satlan.com (vscan.satlan.com [202.27.218.3]) by mailhost.satlan.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h2R2Obvx024195 for <tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:41 +1200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vscan.satlan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58900502B7 for <Tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:35 +1200 (NZST) Received: from sahil.net.nz (web.net4u.co.nz [210.55.10.6]) by vscan.satlan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363E7500FB for <Tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:23 +1200 (NZST) Received: from sahil.net.nz (www [127.0.0.1]) by sahil.net.nz (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h2R1p1oL028829 for <Tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:51:01 +1200 Received: (from nobody(a)localhost) by sahil.net.nz (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id h2R1p18W028827; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:51:01 +1200 Message-Id: <200303270151.h2R1p18W028827(a)sahil.net.nz> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:51:01 From: CURRYMAN 2003 NZ <sahil(a)net4u.co.nz> To: <Tim(a)satlan.com> Reply-To: CURRYMAN 2003 NZ <sahil(a)net4u.co.nz> Subject: Hi X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UIDL: 8(a)1"!)gM"!be!"!FF4"! -----Original Message----- From: CURRYMAN 2003 NZ [mailto:sahil(a)net4u.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 1:51 p.m. To: Tim(a)satlan.com Subject: Hi I would like to touch your penis, lets meet for curry _____________________________________________________________________ This mail was sent using Net4U's WebMail System - webmail.net4u.co.nz

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Sad News
by Mark Foster 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I'm suprised it hasnt been crossposted here yet, so if you already know about this my apologies. http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/2003/03/0681.html Mark.

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Re: [nznog] OT: Re: NET4U staff
by Robert McDonald 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

The fact that you* may be young doesn't excuse childish behaviour. Think before putting fingers to keys please. *Bites tounge and says nothing accept*, "i third this". Take it elsewhere. Enough's enough. Thanks, Rob (List co-ordinators, maybe moderated list would be appropriate for a few days) [*] - The collective "Key mashers" On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:01, Nathan Ward wrote: > <quote> > Could this list possibly be made moderated for a week or so, or have > people posting drivel removed from it? (After suitable warnings, etc). > > I am happy to read about Net4U's antics as they are amusing and at least > partially relevant, but I can do without the frantic keyboard-mashings of > inept scriptweenies and all the other quasi-illiterate snot that's been > on here today. > </quote> > > I second that. Move along. > > Nathan Ward > > a wrote: > >Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but apparantly he > >also uses other's credit cards to purchase goods and > >services, and I have received proof which indicates > >that is the case. > > > >http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > >- Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > >_______________________________________________ > >Nznog mailing list > >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net

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Fwd: Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

>From net4u.co.nz: "DUE TO THE RECENT ARTICLE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE NEW ZEALAND HERALD DATED: 25/03/2003 NET4U LIMITED HAVE OPTED TO CONTRACT AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY (SIGEL DATA SYSTEMS LTD) TO AUDIT AND OVERSEE THE OPERATION OF NET4U LIMITED SYSTEMS AND NETWORK FOR A PERIOD OF THREE MONTHS, DURING WHICH SIGEL DATA SYSTEMS LIMITED WILL REPORT ON THE LEGITIMACY OF THE ISP OPERATION. THESE REPORTS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC VIA THE NET4U LIMITED WEBSITE, BUT WILL NOT DISCLOSE ANY SENSITIVE INFORMATION THAT WOULD POSE A THREAT TO THE SECURITY OF THE ISP." Sigel is a current customer of Net4u and the owner is a personal and close friend of Sahil Gupt and previously was a customer of neuron, a virtual ISP under net4u. This causes certain conflicts of interest. Also the fact that net4u will be releasing the documents themselves, also shows that they may not be originals if in fact the audit is worth the paper it is printed on, but considering the above highlighted conflict of interest, I doubt it very much. http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Michael Hallager 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

> Sahil, > > I have the following questions that I want answered in public: > > 1) It is ON TAPE that you stole bandwidth from Callplus. Do you think that > we are stupid enough to believe that you can steal bandwidth and nothing > else? > > 2) Why have you put up on your website a statment that you have employed > a technical company to oversee the operation of your ISP when *you* > knowingly did what you did? Are you trying to fool us and your clients into > believing that it was an accident? > Do you think that this is a technical issue (As you seem to be trying to > make out) or one of honesty? > > 3) Why is that you feel that you "should be out of business" if you misused > credit cards (Alledged) but that you should be treated differently for what > you did to Callplus? (Established). > > 4) Why did you never heed one word of the many lectures that I gave > you, at the time when I was prepared to speak to you, on the very subject > of honesty? > > Michael Hallager > > > --- Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED <sgupta(a)net4u.co.nz> > > wrote: > The company has NEVER done this and I can > > give this > > > > > is writing that I have > > > NEVER gone out shopping with ANY of our customers > > > Credit Card Details. > > > > > > You would hope, if anybody at the company was doing > > > such a thing that we > > > would have been out of business right after we > > > started climbing up the > > > ladder. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sahil Gupta > > > Senior Account Manager > > > NET4U LIMITED > > > > > > Phone: 0508-263-848 > > > Fax: 07-8582659 > > > Mobile: 029-366-6375 > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] a wrote: > > > > Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but > > > > > > apparantly he > > > > > > > also uses other's credit cards to purchase goods > > > > > > and > > > > > > > services, and I have received proof which > > > > > > indicates > > > > > > > that is the case. > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your > > > > > > Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Nznog mailing list > > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

So you do not deny using credit cards to receive goods and services which you do not have authorisation to use? --- Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED <sgupta(a)net4u.co.nz> wrote: > Talk to me off-list, telling me what we have done. > I'm interested in > finding out. > > Regards, > > Sahil Gupta > Senior Account Manager > NET4U LIMITED > > Phone: 0508-263-848 > Fax: 07-8582659 > Mobile: 029-366-6375 > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] a wrote: > > > Yes, I know you have NEVER done it with customer > > credit card numbers, but how about with credit > cards > > full stop, whether or not they are your customers > > numbers does not matter. So have you ever used > card > > numbers of noncustomers/customers/anyone? Please > dont > > try that again, changing one word, if you are > going to > > respond, respond to my statements, not a sightly > > altered statement eg not customers cards, instead > of > > no I havent used credit cards which I have not > been > > authorised to use. > > > > --- Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED > <sgupta(a)net4u.co.nz> > > wrote: > The company has NEVER done this and I can > > give this > > > is writing that I have > > > NEVER gone out shopping with ANY of our > customers > > > Credit Card Details. > > > > > > You would hope, if anybody at the company was > doing > > > such a thing that we > > > would have been out of business right after we > > > started climbing up the > > > ladder. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sahil Gupta > > > Senior Account Manager > > > NET4U LIMITED > > > > > > Phone: 0508-263-848 > > > Fax: 07-8582659 > > > Mobile: 029-366-6375 > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] a wrote: > > > > > > > Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but > > > apparantly he > > > > also uses other's credit cards to purchase > goods > > > and > > > > services, and I have received proof which > > > indicates > > > > that is the case. > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your > > > Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Nznog mailing list > > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your > Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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NET4U staff
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but apparantly he also uses other's credit cards to purchase goods and services, and I have received proof which indicates that is the case. http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Donald Neal 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

The standard of behaviour on this list does seem to have slipped in the last few hours. I've just sent a copy of the AUP to the list - clearly I need to get back to doing that regularly. And now it's the long trawl through the postings to see to whom warnings need to go ... - Donald Neal Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bordignon [mailto:michael.b(a)infometrics.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:03 > To: 'a'; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > could these users not be unsubscribed? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fw: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Craig Spiers 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

I'd just like to mention that this guy who spammed the mailing list with net4u's customers left himself open to a slap in the face.. Could someone from the associated isp, have some words with him please? Received: from [219.88.208.246] by web13115.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:01:15 NZST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "a" <mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:01 PM > Subject: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > these people like to take net4u staff up the ... > > > > www.quarrypark.org.nz > > www.wlug.org.nz > > www.msianet.co.nz > > www.hotshot.co.nz > > www.ethernal.org > > www.neuron.net.nz > > www.cis.net.nz > > netplanet.co.nz > > www.irisdesign.co.nz > > king.net.nz > > cosnet.co.nz > > walkerwireless.co.nz > > hostingservers.co.nz > > castle.net.nz > > nox.co.nz > > scarfies.co.nz > > se7en.co.nz > > digitalsouth.net > > outervoid.net > > clawshrimp.com > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > >

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nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

seemingly craig is Sahil's bumboy, in more ways than one maybe http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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NET4U staff
by Craig Spiers 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

but the fact you 'did it' can have you arrested. if you murder someone, your not let off the hook just because you say your not going to do it again, idiot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:19 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > > > No actually, thats not the case. > > I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police > > station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. > > > > The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing > > it all. > > > > Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for > > him. > > > > --------------------------- > > You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud > > you thought you'd better keep a low profile. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > > > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after > > thinking > > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > >

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. NZNOG held a face to face gathering as part of the UniForum NZ conference in 2002, and is to do the same again from 10-12 July this year. It doesn't hold other national face to face meetings, but see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 450 addresses subscribed, increasing by around ten a month at present. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins -- Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Robert McDonald 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:05, rye a wrote: > a staff member from net4u was bragging on irc the > other day about the jetstream bandwidth issue. what > they are doing is authenticating jetstream starter > users (fastip) as jetstream users (fastipdirect). I > think this is most likely a screwup on telecom/net4u's > behalf.. perhaps their account manager set it up this > way for a reason? perhaps net4u ask for jetstream > ports instead of jetstream starter? > > either way guys, word of advice.. if your ripping > people off.. dont go bragging about it on irc. I > believe the staff member in question was only 14 years > old. What possible use could he have been? He was also > in the news recently, related to the captain bob spam > fiasco.. Seems either the herald is reporting on a lot more geeky stuff. Or People are just becomeing stupid / dishonest. Im mean that seriously. If i was in the position to be working at an ISP (even if it *was* net4u, which i dont have a very high opinion of right now) I wouldn't do anything to put that at risk. I doubt the people responsible for that will be employed in (big) IT again. Sahil is only a year older than me. Really i think that gives young geeks a bad name. And how this got turned into talk of ^god and co. and their spamming antics is beyond me. It has on relevence at all to nznog, take it to #lusers or something. But it did give me a good laugh. :) Cheers, Rob EOFF > cheers > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net

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Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal directly with me." Why should I do what he says? by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. -------------------------------------------- Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. Liz On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: Hi, I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. thanks, Will To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding a 'meeting'. Bring your weapons. Venue: Room 3, Level 1 467 Victoria Street Hamilton CBD Hamilton New Zealand Time: 4:30pm Be there, or miss out. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ________________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > ---- > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Pot and Kettle
by Michael Hallager 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Craig Speirs shouldn't be talking. He recently sent me a very rude email in relation to my post about ISDN on NZNOG. (Most likely encouraged by Sahil). This very email came from Sahil's network. Craig's name features on www.sahil.net.nz Enough said. Michael Hallager

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Michael Bordignon 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

could these users not be unsubscribed? > -----Original Message----- > From: a [mailto:mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 3:01 PM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > these people like to take net4u staff up the ...

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Sure, if thats what you really want. But hey, I am a kid, and kids do things like that, stealing a couple of credit cards and buying a couple of domains (valued at about $100 or so), which will probably be charged back to the card anyway, is alot better than going into a school, killing everyone, stealing all their money, going out and buying bombs and drugs, isnt it? :) --------------------------------------------------- >From the Herald article: "But spamming is just one of ^god's pastimes. He also dabbles in online credit card fraud. He claims to have purchased everything from domain names to computer gadgets using stolen credit card numbers at online merchants. " Right, now go up to the police station front desk and tell them that. -----Original Message----- From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:20 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff No actually, thats not the case. I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing it all. Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for him. --------------------------- You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud you thought you'd better keep a low profile. -----Original Message----- From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

No actually, thats not the case. I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing it all. Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for him. --------------------------- You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud you thought you'd better keep a low profile. -----Original Message----- From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: NET4U staff
by Pipes 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

1) Give the kid some credit, he at least is trying to admit he was wrong. 2) You think messages like this have ANYTHING to do with nznog? 3) Many people on this list have been busted for doing 'bad bad' things. they still have jobs in the industry. 4) Grow up. 5) take all this to IRC already. I think it was said best ealier today... "There are some quite smart people in that age group, Unfortunately they often are a little miss guided , with the right guidance they can become a very good company asset." > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Spiers [mailto:craig(a)concept.net.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:13 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > I dont think you will ever get a job in this industry.. ANGRY NOC ADMIN's > UNITE!@#! I can hear the chuckles now. > > Your wee'wee is small. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:09 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > >> heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking >> carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. >> >> I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal > directly >> with me." >> >> Why should I do what he says? >> >> by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. >> -------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the >> person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? >> A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just >> turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. >> >> Liz >> >> On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a >> phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. >> >> Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being >> involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I >> think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. >> >> thanks, >> Will >> >> >> >> To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding >> a 'meeting'. >> Bring your weapons. >> Venue: >> Room 3, Level 1 >> 467 Victoria Street >> Hamilton CBD >> Hamilton >> New Zealand >> Time: 4:30pm >> Be there, or miss out.

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Pretty easy $$$ though, but like I said, I stopped it :) i guess this is a "formal apology" for spamming? :P ---------------- I take back what i said about the Not hating you. I hate spammers! Liz :D On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 14:19, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: > > No actually, thats not the case. > I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police > station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. > > The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing > it all. > > Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for > him. > > --------------------------- > You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud > you thought you'd better keep a low profile. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after > thinking > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

"im going to come over there and smash your head in with a tyre iron" sounds familiar to the person you were making the threats to. And he does have logs :) not that hes going to do anything about it, of course, becuase some people might take you seriously, huh? ---------------------------------- maaaayeeeeeteeee.. all for one, one for all.. give it up will ya. i dont recall threatening anyone.. and if i were to do such a thing, no one but the person im threatening would have any evidence of it. > yeah sure craig, good friends with sahil, who also threatened to "bash" > Captian Bob. How rude of you! :) > > > I dont think you will ever get a job in this industry.. ANGRY NOC ADMIN's > UNITE!@#! I can hear the chuckles now. > > Your wee'wee is small. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:09 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking > > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > > > I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal > directly > > with me." > > > > Why should I do what he says? > > > > by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the > > person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? > > A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just > > turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. > > > > Liz > > > > On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a > > phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. > > > > Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being > > involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I > > think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. > > > > thanks, > > Will > > > > > > > > To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding > > a 'meeting'. > > Bring your weapons. > > Venue: > > Room 3, Level 1 > > 467 Victoria Street > > Hamilton CBD > > Hamilton > > New Zealand > > Time: 4:30pm > > Be there, or miss out. > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > > ---- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nznog mailing list > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

yeah sure craig, good friends with sahil, who also threatened to "bash" Captian Bob. How rude of you! :) I dont think you will ever get a job in this industry.. ANGRY NOC ADMIN's UNITE!@#! I can hear the chuckles now. Your wee'wee is small. ----- Original Message ----- From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal directly > with me." > > Why should I do what he says? > > by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. > -------------------------------------------- > > > Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the > person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? > A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just > turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. > > Liz > > On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a > phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. > > Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being > involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I > think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. > > thanks, > Will > > > > To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding > a 'meeting'. > Bring your weapons. > Venue: > Room 3, Level 1 > 467 Victoria Street > Hamilton CBD > Hamilton > New Zealand > Time: 4:30pm > Be there, or miss out. > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > ________________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > ---- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

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RE: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Michael Bordignon 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

any proxy is capable of proxying SMTP/IRC/anything via HTTP CONNECT, isn't it? > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Haakma [mailto:richard(a)kcbbs.gen.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 9:55 AM > To: Juha Saarinen; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc. > > Hello. > > It may have been an open web proxy only, not capable of abusing > SMTP or IRC. > > Regards, > RH.

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RE: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Hi I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. thanks, Will _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by rye a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Ha, i wish i did. I regret not keeping one now, had i known this all would have led to a herald artical, and a post to nznog, i would have made sure i logged it. Didnt think too much of it at the time figured they were just idiots bragging about bullshit.. The only problem, there's no course of justice for this kind of thing is there? net4u will get away scott free? --- Matthew Luckie <mjl(a)luckie.org.nz> wrote: > > either way guys, word of advice.. if your ripping > > people off.. dont go bragging about it on irc. I > > do you have a log you can post to nznog? sounds > very interesting (and on > topic). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

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Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Liz Quilty 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

I worked for Sahil when he first started out. I left within 6 months because he didnt know anything about what the hell he was doing and kept fucking things up majorly. He was 15 at the time. I know of several other 'employees' whom did work and also did not get paid. His servers were rediculasly insecure and badley configured most of the time and he often made friends of other ISP's and tried getting customer databases. He would intentionally poach Users. Good that it has cought up with him ;] Liz

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Re: Welcome to the "Nznog" mailing list
by Ste Taylor 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

the real url for the mp3 is here, do not distribute the non-offical copy http://ruediger.koeln.ccc.de/nz/Sahil_Explaining_All.mp3 Thank you Mr Lucas http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by David Clarke 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

> It may have been an open web proxy only, not capable of > abusing SMTP or IRC. Quote from the Herald article: "He goes on to say that Net4U services, including his dial-up and server co-location customers, his "home link" and his "KaZaA" ... were all operated with stolen bandwidth for a "six-month" period." That reference to KaZaA would intimate that it wasn't merely web. Of course we possibly shouldn't believe the word of someone who'd stoop to stealing bandwidth. -- David Clarke Tech :wq #include <disclaimer.h>

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by rye a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

a staff member from net4u was bragging on irc the other day about the jetstream bandwidth issue. what they are doing is authenticating jetstream starter users (fastip) as jetstream users (fastipdirect). I think this is most likely a screwup on telecom/net4u's behalf.. perhaps their account manager set it up this way for a reason? perhaps net4u ask for jetstream ports instead of jetstream starter? either way guys, word of advice.. if your ripping people off.. dont go bragging about it on irc. I believe the staff member in question was only 14 years old. What possible use could he have been? He was also in the news recently, related to the captain bob spam fiasco.. cheers __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

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net4u staff spammer
by rye a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?thesection=technology&thesubsect… The latter of the guys mentioned in the above story i believe works at net4u. He is the helpdesk manager. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

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Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Simon Lyall 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Looks like the herald is breaking all the interesting stories lately: http://tinyurl.com/82j8 I can understand Callplus having problems since they have been struggling with inexperienced staff for a few months (although 6 months is before the most recent resignations) but I'm not sure how the Jetstream/Jetstart thing would have worked. I've yet to see Telecom lose money when people get Jetstream relms confused. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by rye a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Its still very shocking that ISP's in new zealand would do this to each other.. I understand its a very tight market.. but still.. Are other isp's doing similar things? ha, i doubt anyone would admit it.. but i'd assume so.. Lets have a nationwide net4u boycot! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Poole" <matt(a)p00le.net> To: "Craig Spiers" <craig(a)concept.net.nz> Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc. > > > yea, you can imagine how many spammers would have found that proxy, and used > > it.. surely someone at attica/callplus got notification that it was open.. > > > Not while I was there. I've been gone three-and-a-half months now, > so it's quite possible they got told since then. > > > Spammers find open proxy's in a matter of hours these days.. perhaps staff > > recieved the notifications, but didnt give a dam? > > > Or they weren't able to figure out what the warning meant and ignored > it? > An open proxy would definitely have been brought to my attention as > all security issues came across my desk, and I never saw any such > notification. > > Not to mention that someone would've bitched if we'd been > blacklisted and while that did happen it was by a couple of companies > as a serious over-reaction to dodgy activity by customers. > -- > Matthew Poole > Auckland, NZ > > http://www.p00le.net > > "Three pills a day keeps the voices at bay" > Matthew Poole > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

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Heads up for anyone using SpamCop
by Aaron Nielsen 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

One of InternetNZ's servers is currently listed in SpamCop. Looks like a server in the UK processed a couple of the DNC's emails sent out to registrants :0 Aaron

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RE: [nznog] "Captain Bob" and "^god"
by Stephen Andrew 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

----Original Message---- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 10:36 AM To: Simon Lyall; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] "Captain Bob" and "^god" [snip] > "The overheads are minimal. Captain Bob pays about $300 a month to > maintain his server. He runs a Jetstart account ($65) to connect to > his server which in turn connects to a high-capacity pipe out to the > web." > > Out to the Web? Not to mail servers? A lot of SPAM is now going through misconfigured proxy servers using the CONNECT method. Apparently open mail relays don't cut it any more. -- Andrew This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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"Captain Bob" and "^god"
by Juha Saarinen 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

http://tinyurl.com/7ut8 So that's what kids use their Jetstart connections for... ? -- Juha Saarinen

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"Captain Bob" and "^god"
by Liz Quilty 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

Do something like mac addresses? so you can identify a computer rather than the person? make them log into a wan or something even? Liz Sure, that'd be a great method - wouldn't stop them completely though as they could always establish a new account under a false or someone elses name. Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McDonald" <rob(a)nzpages.net> To: "Eon" <Eon(a)sli.net.nz>; "Stephen Judd" <nznog(a)vital.org.nz> Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [nznog] "Captain Bob" and "^god" IANAL (uses new catch phrase) Why not supply ALL the customers details (or as much as known) in a (forced to lower case) MD5SUM. Generaly they would not use the same username. If the telcos suplying DSL/other would take advice from the ISPs that the particular user was troublesome or breached a commonly agreed to T&C they would get their delivery method (what ever it may be) terminated. Having for instance your DSL line choped of, even for a month or two, would have a huge impact. IMHO, Rob On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:38, Eon wrote: > Why not MD5SUM the name of the user? Provide that to a list and any users > with the same MD5 > are not given service? Protects the privacy of people and sticks it to > those that Spam. I may not be the > best of internet users but even I agreee that spamers need to be stopped. > > Eon. -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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key signing party at Uniforum
by Joe Abley 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

If I was to organise a PGP key signing party at the NZNOG/Uniforum meeting in July, would anybody here show up? Private replies welcome. Just trying to decide whether or not to bother trying :) [this is the kind of thing I am talking about: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0110/pgp.html http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg18089.html http://www.upenn.edu/computing/security/keyparty.html http://www.nluug.nl/events/sane98/keysigning-party.html in case the concept is not familiar]

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Heads up - LOTR STreaming Event
by Richard Naylor 17 Mar '03

17 Mar '03

CityLink is assisting with the streaming of a Video Conference between Richard Taylor (Weta FX) and a number of schools on Wednesday. The event co-ordinators (TKI) have emailed a number of schools and hence this heads up. There is the potential for a large number of unicast streams from WIX on Wednesday morning 12 March between 10am and 11am. Here is the publicity material from TKI for those interested. Kia ora koutou TKI invites you to join us for the live video conference featuring Richard Taylor - the Oscar-winning special effects expert from the Lord of the Rings. This Wednesday between 10 and 11am, selected KAWM and Otago Net schools will be participating in a video-conference based conversation with Richard. To watch the live simulcast, click on the link below: http://www.tki.org.nz/r/school_improvement/climate/intro_taylor_e.php -------------- ABOUT THE VIDEO CONFERENCE The schools involved in the Richard Taylor video conference are: Turakina Maori Girls' College (Marton) Rotorua Lakes High (Rotorua) John Paul College (Rotorua) Rotorua Girls High (Rotorua) Mount Aspiring College (Wanaka) Te Waha o Rerekohu Area School (Gisborne) Te Wharekura o Rakaumanga (Huntly) Te Kura Kaupapa Maori o Mana Tamariki (Palmerston North) Each of the schools will make a presentation to Richard on the theme "special effects". The students were guided by activities suggested in a teaching resource developed by the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa to complement The Lord of the Rings Motion Picture Trilogy - The Exhibition. ------------ ABOUT RICHARD TAYLOR Richard Taylor is the co-founder and director of Weta Workshop Ltd, the special effects company best known for its work on The Lord of the Rings film trilogy. Weta designed and produced all the weapons, armour, creatures, makeup, and miniature models for the film production.

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RE: [nznog] Netforum 2003 (and 2004??)
by Donald Neal 13 Mar '03

13 Mar '03

> From: Roger De Salis [mailto:roger(a)desalis.gen.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:10 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; members(a)uniforum.org.nz > Subject: [nznog] Netforum 2003 (and 2004??) > > > A quick update on the the conference this year... (mark your > diaries, get your management primed that you need to attend) > > When: [8?,9?]10/11/12 July, 2003 > Where: Waipuna Lodge, Mt Wellington, Auckland > Cost: NZ$695 for Three Days, discounts for early bird > registration, lesser for less time, extensive > student discounts...) <HEAD ABOVE PARAPET> Nobody's complained yet ... </HEAD ABOVE PARAPET> - Donald Neal > The lead international speakers who have accepted are:- > (and I have fully funded travel sponsorship for...) > > Evi Nemeth (ex University of Boulder Colorado, and ISC Director) > who has indicated she would like to talk about > "ISP measurement stuff regarding dns and the slow > and infinite denial of service attack that > bugs/ features/config-errors in microsoft > software are > doing to the root servers. - Plus other measurement stuff" > > Barry Raveendran Greene (Lead author of ISP practice manual > from Cisco) talking about advanced ISP tools and > techniques in use worldwide, current practices. > > Joe Abley (local boy made good) talking about Advanced mosquito > control in Canadian summers, and "what is it really like > to work for Paul Vixie...." ( I am certain he will > provide an alternative title to his talks..) > > I'm still looking for papers and interesting topics for discussion. > My plan is to make the conference so interesting to the ISP industry > that I can get 2Day.com to stump up for a bar contribution. > (Its a test....) > > The web-site and conference brochure will be out this week, and > I'll be forwarding a URL for a double sided Colour PDF for those > with colour printers, who need glossies to sell to management. > > =============================================================== > > 2004 Conference:- > > I do not mind whether we go to Waikato, or stay in Acukland > I have no problem with changes by popular demand. > I have provisional speaker acceptances for 2004 from > DJ Bernstein (thanks Simon for the excellent talks in 2002) > Jeff Doyle (Juniper Networks) > > Thanks for reading this far, more to follow. > > =================================================================== > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Why is PoB taking a dig at IANA?
by Andy Gardner 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

Why is PoB taking a dig at IANA? http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/workshop/cctld/cctld010.html -- Andrew P. Gardner Buffoons need love too.

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TelstraClear appear to have fallen off APE
by Richard Haakma 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

Hello. It appears to me that TelstraClear seems to have fallen off APE about 1:15 this morning and are still not there at 3:00. I can't ping the ip address 192.203.154.32 nor 192.203.154.33. Regards, RH.

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more on LOTR
by Richard Naylor 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

since someone just asked, last year the streams were in addition to the webcams. The webcams were averaging 500+ users all day and the streams carried a similar volume. overall we were shifting 130mbps. The video streams are NOT the webcams. They use mixers, cameras, lights etc like a tv production. The webcams are little things bolted to flimsy bits of buildings in high places. (why is it always like that?) rich

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Simon Byrnand 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

At 21:16 10/03/03 +1100, Nathan Mercer wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] >Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 11:10 p.m. >To: Nathan Mercer; Simon Byrnand; Craig Whitmore > >Nathan Mercer <nmercer(a)microsoft.com> wrote: > > Hi Guys > > > > Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. > > Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are > > your customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off > > another website or something? > > > > I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) > >$ dig search.msn.co.nz. a >;; ANSWER SECTION: >search.msn.co.nz. 3600 IN CNAME search.msn.ca. >search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.185.57 >search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.176.254 > >Yeah, no idea why its in aliased to .ca The MSN admin guy who replied >to me was from China, so go figure. It sounds like search.msn.co.nz >isn't being used by MSN any longer, and they can't figure out why users >are ending up there. They can't figure it out ? The "Search" button in the latest version of Internet Explorer (and probably older versions too) takes you there when you use "Find a Web Page". It also happens if you try to search from the address bar. (EG enter something that isn't a URL) Maybe their webdesigners should keep in touch with the IE development team ? :p Perhaps the Microsoft people that are trying to test the problem aren't in an area that gets redirected to "search.msn.co.nz". I'm not sure what method it uses to determine if you're in NZ, perhaps not everyone in NZ is considered to be "in NZ" by IE, and thus doesn't get directed to the NZ version of that page... (But browsing directly to the URL as Craig first indicated should be visible anywhere I would have thought...) Regards, Simon

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Time for a change...
by Dean Pemberton 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

Hi all. Remember a while ago I posted a message here, saying I wanted to return to Wellington? Well it all turned out for the best. As of yesterday afternoon I no longer work for Juniper Networks. And in mid April I'll be starting at a new job in Wellington. So just a quick FAQ Q: I have a cellphone number for you is it still going to work. A: Nope - all my Juniper goods were confiscated yesterday. I do have a prepay cellphone in Australia at the moment, but after next month that will be useless too. If you think you will need to contact me in that time period, then drop me an email asking for the number. Q: Who do I call at 3 in the morning to ask about Juniper questions? A: Well if you happen to work for the company that I've just joined, then probably still me =) If not, and it's still urgent, then support(a)juniper.net is your friend. *note* I do still answer questions for beer or curry, just not at 3am Q: When do you arrive? What are your plans? A: I fly in on the 11th of Apr to start work on the 14th. I have to find a place to live. Other than that, I plan to eat curry on a thursday as is written in the good book =) Q: What are you doing in the meantime A: Packing mostly. I also have a pilots test to sit if the weather ever clears up (and they fix the alternator in the plane) =) Q: Does this mean that I/We can collect on the beer that you owe Me/Us? A: Who are you? Crank caller! Crank caller! Q: Ok - fess up - who are you working for A: TelstraClear. So I'll be seeing all the Wellington people in April - I expect a big turnout at the first Curry =) Later Dean

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RE: [nznog] Re: ISP Regulation
by Frank March 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

I agree that NZNOG is not the right place to discuss these matters in depth. I will be posting a commentary (I dont think 'answer' is quite the right description) on Lin's points on the public-discuss(a)internetnz.net.nz tonight (I am sure others will do so as well) --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Lin Nah [mailto:lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2003 15:17 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: public-discuss(a)internetnz.net.nz Subject: [nznog] Re: ISP Regulation While nznog isn't the right forum for this discussion, I don't know what will be. InternetNZ does have a public discussion list. Would that be a good place for such discussions? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Nathan Mercer 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Thanks for the info, what OS are you running? IE6 on Windows XP doesn't seem to repro with the steps below, it goes to ie.search.msn.com Cheers Nathan -----Original Message----- From: Steve Winter [mailto:steve(a)roadshow.org] Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2003 12:35 a.m. To: Nathan Mercer; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Nathan, > Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. > Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are > your > customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off another > website or something? On the tool bar, between the home button and the favorites button is a search button...when you click on it a pane appears to the left of your browser window, in which you can allegedly search, it has the options 'find a web page', 'previous searches', 'find a map', and 'look up a word', then a dialog box in which you can 'find a web page containing' It is then proudly 'Brought to you by MSN'...when you hit search you get the wonderfully useful 'Sorry, the system is not working properly.' error... > I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) Well, I'm also using IE6 and it gives just the same results... :-( Cheers Steve

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Nathan Mercer 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Hi Guys Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are your customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off another website or something? I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) Thanks Nathan Microsoft NZ -----Original Message----- From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 4:53 p.m. To: Craig Whitmore At 16:48 10/03/03 +1300, Craig Whitmore wrote: >Just a heads up.... > >Over the last couple days we have had a large number of calls saying when >people are searching for stuff on the net they are seeing a message saying > >"Sorry, the system is not working properly." > >It took us a short while while to figure it out, but its coming from >Microsoft when you do a search from the search button in MSIE. >search.msn.co.nz is giving that error. > >search.msn.co.nz = search.msn.ca (For some reason). I've emailed a few >people at Microsoft, but if anyone is listening from Microsoft. I first noticed it on Friday morning, so its been broken for a while now. (I assumed it was one of those things that would be fixed in a few minutes and didn't check it again until now....) Not a particularly informative error message either... Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] search.msn.co.nz
by Nathan Mercer 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

-----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 11:10 p.m. To: Nathan Mercer; Simon Byrnand; Craig Whitmore Nathan Mercer <nmercer(a)microsoft.com> wrote: > Hi Guys > > Thanks for the info, I passed it onto the MSN people offshore. > Do you have any more information about how this error appears - are > your customers clicking something in their browser, or linking off > another website or something? > > I can't seem to get the error here on my PC (but I'm running IE6) $ dig search.msn.co.nz. a ;; ANSWER SECTION: search.msn.co.nz. 3600 IN CNAME search.msn.ca. search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.185.57 search.msn.ca. 3600 IN A 207.68.176.254 Yeah, no idea why its in aliased to .ca The MSN admin guy who replied to me was from China, so go figure. It sounds like search.msn.co.nz isn't being used by MSN any longer, and they can't figure out why users are ending up there.

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Packet loss with Xtra
by David Mill 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Hi, At the moment there seems to be severe packet loss when an Xtra dial-up customer (maybe other types of customers) connects to a TelstraClear connection. 20 - 40 % packet loss that is. It may also be a problem when an Xtra customer is connecting to other networks, I do not believe it is TelstraClear specific. Traceroute details (sorry if this doesn't look any good in plain text): merlin.inspire.net.nz Mon Mar 10 19:17:57 2003 Keys: D - Display mode R - Restart statistics Q - Quit Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst Y1. 203-79-89-47.inspire.net.nz 0% 71 71 0 0 0 2 2. g9-0-972.u21.tar.telstraclear.net 0% 71 71 5 4 6 91 3. 210-55-41-1.citylink.xtra.co.nz 0% 71 71 5 4 5 9 4. a9-0-0-3.XTRAK2-B1.xtra.co.nz 36% 46 71 83 37 47 83 5. v60.XTRAK1-B1.xtra.co.nz 43% 41 71 55 33 46 57 6. f5-0.ipa1-r16-5.xtra.co.nz 45% 39 71 47 33 51 96 7. 192.168.244.6 38% 44 71 63 49 72 100 8. 192.168.246.14 39% 43 71 116 47 74 116 9. 210-55-45-165.dialup.xtra.co.nz 31% 48 70 175 149 172 275 Can anyone on this list take a look at this, or point in the direction of the right person / phone number at Xtra to contact? Regards, David Mill

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search.msn.co.nz
by Craig Whitmore 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Just a heads up.... Over the last couple days we have had a large number of calls saying when people are searching for stuff on the net they are seeing a message saying "Sorry, the system is not working properly." It took us a short while while to figure it out, but its coming from Microsoft when you do a search from the search button in MSIE. search.msn.co.nz is giving that error. search.msn.co.nz = search.msn.ca (For some reason). I've emailed a few people at Microsoft, but if anyone is listening from Microsoft. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Fw: [nznog] XTRA DNS Issues - anyone else?
by Brian Gibbons 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

>----- Original Message ----- >From: Dan Clark >If we update a record in our name server, ns1.clear.net.nz gets it pretty quickly >The problem appears to be anyone logged into XTRA or using their DNS >is there something different about the way their DNS servers operate? I would suggest that Xtra's servers are probably confused by the configuration of your name servers. A quick audit shows... For scarfies.co.nz the SRS (.co.nz) list two name servers ns1.scarfies.net ns3.scarfies.net "rootservers".net shows 5 Name Server delegations for scarfies.net ns1.scarfies.net ns2.scarfies.net ns3.scarfies.net ns2.zoneedit.com ns3.zoneedit.com ns1.scarfies.net returns two name servers as authorititive for scarfies.net ns1.scarfies.net (210.55.10.201) ns3.scarfies.net (210.54.31.84) ns3.scarfies.net lists only one authorititive name server for scarfies.net zues.scarfies.net (210.55.10.201) It does not list itself (by name) as Authorititive 210.55.10.201 resolves "ns1.scarfies.net" (itself) as 210.55.10.201 210.55.10.201 resolve "ns3.scarfies.net " as 210.54.31.84 210.54.31.84 (ns3.scarfies.net?) resolves "ns1.scarfies.net " as a CNAME for nemisis.scarfies.net (GULP!) with an IP address of 210.54.31.84 (this is the Opposite IP address) 210.55.10.201 resolves "zues.scarfies.net" as a CNAME for ns1.scarfies.net.nz this is a circular CNAME reference when included with the zone file on 210.54.31.84 210.55.10.201 (ns1.scarfies.net) resolves "nemesis.scarfies.net" to 210.54.31.84 210.55.10.201 (ns1.scarfies.net) resolves "zues.scarfies.net" as a CNAME for ns1.scarfies.net with an IP address of 210.55.10.201 this is difference answer from the other name server (which returned 210.54.31.84) 210.54.31.84 (ns3.scarfies.net?) returns no answers for a lookup of ns3.scarfies.net (Hmm) Perhaps a little tidyup might solve your problem @ Xtra Cheers BG

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Netforum 2003 (and 2004??)
by Roger De Salis 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

A quick update on the the conference this year... (mark your diaries, get your management primed that you need to attend) When: [8?,9?]10/11/12 July, 2003 Where: Waipuna Lodge, Mt Wellington, Auckland Cost: NZ$695 for Three Days, discounts for early bird registration, lesser for less time, extensive student discounts...) The lead international speakers who have accepted are:- (and I have fully funded travel sponsorship for...) Evi Nemeth (ex University of Boulder Colorado, and ISC Director) who has indicated she would like to talk about "ISP measurement stuff regarding dns and the slow and infinite denial of service attack that bugs/ features/config-errors in microsoft software are doing to the root servers. - Plus other measurement stuff" Barry Raveendran Greene (Lead author of ISP practice manual from Cisco) talking about advanced ISP tools and techniques in use worldwide, current practices. Joe Abley (local boy made good) talking about Advanced mosquito control in Canadian summers, and "what is it really like to work for Paul Vixie...." ( I am certain he will provide an alternative title to his talks..) I'm still looking for papers and interesting topics for discussion. My plan is to make the conference so interesting to the ISP industry that I can get 2Day.com to stump up for a bar contribution. (Its a test....) The web-site and conference brochure will be out this week, and I'll be forwarding a URL for a double sided Colour PDF for those with colour printers, who need glossies to sell to management. =============================================================== 2004 Conference:- I do not mind whether we go to Waikato, or stay in Acukland I have no problem with changes by popular demand. I have provisional speaker acceptances for 2004 from DJ Bernstein (thanks Simon for the excellent talks in 2002) Jeff Doyle (Juniper Networks) Thanks for reading this far, more to follow. =================================================================== Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)fx.net.nz </' FX Networks +64 25 481 452 /) Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz (/ ` DSL - the 56k modem technology of 2004

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XTRA DNS Issues - anyone else?
by Dan Clark 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

Hi All, Just before I go and call the XTRA Help Desk I thought I might check weather or not anyone else is noticing a similar problem... For example if we update a record in our name server, ns1.clear.net.nz gets it pretty quickly similar situation to 203.109.252.42 (Ihug). The problem appears to be anyone logged into XTRA or using their DNS, is there something different about the way their DNS servers operate? They just dont seem to get updated records for days sometimes. Please excuse me if this post is inappropriate. Kind Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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Networkers
by Michael Newbery 06 Mar '03

06 Mar '03

Anyone else going to Networkers in Brisbane next week? See you there. -- Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited

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Zone Push Time table Review
by Nick Griffin 06 Mar '03

06 Mar '03

*ZONE PUSH REVIEW* The response to the request for comment on the .nz Zone Push timetable was extremely positive. I received many recommendations in regards the Zone Push review. taking those recommendations into account I am pleased to advise that from Monday 31st March 2003 the Zone Push Timetable will be started at the following NZ local times: 05:00 09:00 12:00 15:00 18:00 22:00 This notice will also be published on the NZRS website, DNC website, the SRS newsletter and the NZNOG. if there are any questions regarding the Zone push timetable please email , zonepush(a)nzrs.net.nz cheers Nick Nick Griffin Registry Manager .nz Registry Services PO Box 24361 Wellington New Zealand e nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz <mailto:nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz> m 64 21 505 229 p 64 4 931 6977 f 64 4 931 6979 w www.nzrs.net.nz <http://www.nzrs.net.nz> CAUTION : This Email message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this Email in error, please notify me immediately and delete all material pertaining to this Email. Thank you.

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Fwd: [public-discuss] ISP Regulation
by David Farrar 06 Mar '03

06 Mar '03

I was unsure about forwarding this on here as it is a judgement call how close to an operational issue this is, but the potential effects of legislation have significant operational issues so I hope no-one objects. Also rather concerned that the mainstream media reports on the select committee inquiry have only focused on the increased penalties for child porn with almost no reference to the quite significant talk of licensing and regulating ISPs, so that many ISPs may be unaware of what has been proposed. If discussion is off-topic for here then public-discuss(a)internetnz.net.nz is certainly a suitable and open to all forum. DPF Forwarded Message: > From: David Farrar <david(a)farrar.com> > Subject: [public-discuss] ISP Regulation > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:15:52 GMT > ----- > Some major issues for InternetNZ and the industry with the report back of the > inquiry into Films, Videos and Publications Classification Act. The report is > at http://www.clerk.parliament.govt.nz/Content/SelectCommitteeReports/i5a.pdf. > It is 90- pages long - the Internet related stuff is from page 55 on. > > Law Commission mades a good point in comparing attempts to have the Act deal > with the Internet as being like King Canute stopping the tide. The Committee > reports the problems with the Australian model but shows some sympathy for the > scheme. > > They specifically say "Despite our reservations about the Australian model, we > consider the only effective way to police objectionable material emanating from > outside New Zealand is by placing obligations on ISPs that operate in NZ ..." > > "We also consider a code of practice would ensure all ISPs give customers > information on how to best protect their families from exposure to internet > content such as objectionable material, making sure ISPs provide clear and > consistent terms and conditions consumers can understand. ... we would > support ISPs being required to provide to their customers acceptable or > approved filtering software products." > > They also say "We would like the Government to provide such filterware free of > charge to Internet users" > > On a Code of Practice, they state: > > "We consider the Government should work with key ISPs to develop a code of > practice for all ISPs. We consider industry compliance with a COP shoual, as a > first step, be voluntary, but if necessary we would support legislation to > enforce compliance by ISPs. There may be a need for ISPs to be licensed or > registered in order to control their behaviour." > > "We note InternetNZ recently approved a $40,000 plan to redraft and relaunch a > draft code following a new round of industry consultation. The draft, we > understand, has been on the table since 1999 but certain key players such as > Xtra have refused to buy in to such a code of practice. We hope the industry > will take up this challenge to develop a code and the notion of responsible > self regulation." > > > The upcoming InternetNZ summit in May 2003 may be an opportune forum to discuss > an industry response to the report of the Select Committee. I don't think > anyone wants us to go down the Australian approach (which even the Aust Govt > admits has failed), but if we don't do something the status quo doesn't look > very viable. > > > DPF > > > _______________________________________________ > public-discuss mailing list > public-discuss(a)internetnz.net.nz > http://listserver.internetnz.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/public-discuss >

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Mailserver re-encoding of attachments valid ?
by Simon Byrnand 05 Mar '03

05 Mar '03

Hi All, While trying to help a customer that was having trouble receiving specific attachments through our mailserver, but which seemed to be received ok through another ISP's mailserver, I came across an interesting thing.... It turned out that the troublesome attachments were in UUENCODE format, and something about the way the customers own mailserver/client machines were set up were causing them problems... The strange thing was, that the same message sent through another well known ISP was being received, seemingly with no problems getting the attachment. A bit of investigation found that while our server was passing the UUENCODE'ed attachment through as-is, the other ISP is decoding the UUENCODE'ed attachment, and re-attaching it in the more common BASE64 Mime attachment type. Now I havn't looked through RFC's exhuastively, but I was under the impression that although mailservers are allowed to add their own Headers, etc, they must NOT alter the message body of a message. (Or at least, "Should not") Is this decoding of attachments and re-encoding/attaching them in a different format breaking the RFC's ? Just wondering... :) Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet

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FW: CERT Advisory CA-2003-07 Remote Buffer Overflow in Sendmail
by Tony Wicks 03 Mar '03

03 Mar '03

Just incase people havn't seen this ! > -----Original Message----- > From: CERT Advisory [mailto:cert-advisory(a)cert.org] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:07 AM > To: cert-advisory(a)cert.org > Subject: CERT Advisory CA-2003-07 Remote Buffer Overflow in Sendmail > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > CERT Advisory CA-2003-07 Remote Buffer Overflow in Sendmail > > Original release date: March 3, 2003 > Last revised: -- > Source: CERT/CC > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > Systems Affected > > * Sendmail Pro (all versions) > * Sendmail Switch 2.1 prior to 2.1.5 > * Sendmail Switch 2.2 prior to 2.2.5 > * Sendmail Switch 3.0 prior to 3.0.3 > * Sendmail for NT 2.X prior to 2.6.2 > * Sendmail for NT 3.0 prior to 3.0.3 > * Systems running open-source sendmail versions prior to 8.12.8, > including UNIX and Linux systems > > Overview > > There is a vulnerability in sendmail that may allow remote attackers > to gain the privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. > > I. Description > > Researchers at Internet Security Systems (ISS) have discovered a > remotely exploitable vulnerability in sendmail. This vulnerability > could allow an intruder to gain control of a vulnerable sendmail > server. > > Most organizations have a variety of mail transfer agents (MTAs) at > various locations within their network, with at least one exposed to > the Internet. Since sendmail is the most popular MTA, most > medium-sized to large organizations are likely to have at least one > vulnerable sendmail server. In addition, many UNIX and Linux > workstations provide a sendmail implementation that is enabled and > running by default. > > This vulnerability is message-oriented as opposed to > connection-oriented. That means that the vulnerability is triggered by > the contents of a specially-crafted email message rather than by > lower-level network traffic. This is important because an MTA that > does not contain the vulnerability will pass the malicious message > along to other MTAs that may be protected at the network level. In > other words, vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of a network > are still at risk, even if the site's border MTA uses software other > than sendmail. Also, messages capable of exploiting this vulnerability > may pass undetected through many common packet filters or firewalls. > > Sendmail has indicated to the CERT/CC that this vulnerability has been > successfully exploited in a laboratory environment. We do not believe > that this exploit is available to the public. However, this > vulnerability is likely to draw significant attention from the > intruder community, so the probability of a public exploit is high. > > A successful attack against an unpatched sendmail system will not > leave any messages in the system log. However, on a patched system, an > attempt to exploit this vulnerability will leave the following log > message: > > Dropped invalid comments from header address > > Although this does not represent conclusive evidence of an attack, it > may be useful as an indicator. > > A patched sendmail server will drop invalid headers, thus preventing > downstream servers from receiving them. > > The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#398025. This reference number > corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2002-1337. > > For more information, please see > > http://www.sendmail.org > http://www.sendmail.org/8.12.8.html > http://www.sendmail.com/security/ > http://www.iss.net/issEn/delivery/xforce/alertdetail.jsp?oid=21950 > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/398025 > > II. Impact > > Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may allow an attacker to > gain the privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. Even > vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of a given network may be > at risk since the vulnerability is triggered from the contents of a > malicious email message. > > III. Solution > > Apply a patch from Sendmail > > Sendmail has produced patches for versions 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, and 8.12. > However, the vulnerability also exists in earlier versions of the > code; therefore, site administrators using an earlier version are > encouraged to upgrade to 8.12.8. These patches are located at > > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.security.cr.patch > > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.11.6.security.cr.patch > > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.9.3.security.cr.patch > > Apply a patch from your vendor > > Many vendors include vulnerable sendmail servers as part of their > software distributions. We have notified vendors of this vulnerability > and recorded their responses in the systems affected section of > VU#398025. Several vendors have provided a statement for direct > inclusion in this advisory; these statements are available in Appendix > A. > > Enable the RunAsUser option > > There is no known workaround for this vulnerability. Until a patch can > be applied, you may wish to set the RunAsUser option to reduce the > impact of this vulnerability. As a good general practice, the CERT/CC > recommends limiting the privileges of an application or service > whenever possible. > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this > advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will > update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their > comments. > > Apple Computer, Inc. > > Security Update 2003-03-03 is available to fix this issue. Packages > are available for Mac OS X 10.1.5 and Mac OS X 10.2.4. It should be > noted that sendmail is not enabled by default on Mac OS X, so only > those systems which have explicitly enabled it are susceptible to the > vulnerability. All customers of Mac OS X, however, are encouraged to > apply this update to their systems. > > Avaya, Inc. > > Avaya is aware of the vulnerability and is investigating impact. As > new information is available this statement will be updated. > > BSD/OS > > Wind River Systems has created patches for this problem which are > available from the normal locations for each release. The relevant > patches are M500-006 for BSD/OS version 5.0 or the Wind River Platform > for Server Appliances 1.0, M431-002 for BSD/OS 4.3.1, or M420-032 for > BSD/OS 4.2 systems. > > Cisco Systems > > Cisco is investigating this issue. If we determine any of our products > are vulnerable that information will be available at: > http://www.cisco.com/go/psirt > > Cray Inc. > > The code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos, Unicos/mk, and Unicos/mp > may be vulnerable. Cray has opened SPRs 724749 and 724750 to > investigate. > > Cray, Inc. is not vulnerable for the MTA systems. > > Hewlett-Packard Company > > SOURCE: > Hewlett-Packard Company > HP Services > Software Security Response Team > > x-ref: SSRT3469 sendmail > > HP will provide notice of the availability of patches through standard > security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP > Services support channel. > > IBM Corporation > > The AIX operating system is vulnerable to the sendmail issues > discussed in releases 4.3.3, 5.1.0 and 5.2.0. > > A temporary patch is available through an efix package which can be > found at > ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/aix/efixes/security/sendmail_efix.tar.Z > > IBM will provide the following official fixes: > > APAR number for AIX 4.3.3: IY40500 (available approx. > 03/12/2003) > APAR number for AIX 5.1.0: IY40501 (available approx. > 04/28/2003) > APAR number for AIX 5.2.0: IY40502 (available approx. > 04/28/2003) > > Openwall GNU/*/Linux > > Openwall GNU/*/Linux is not vulnerable. We use Postfix as the MTA, not > sendmail. > > Red Hat Inc. > > Updated sendmail packages that are not vulnerable to this issue are > available for Red Hat Linux, Red Hat Advanced Server, and Red Hat > Advanced Workstation. Red Hat Network users can update their systems > using the 'up2date' tool. > > Red Hat Linux: > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-073.html > > Red Hat Linux Advanced Server, Advanced Workstation: > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-074.html > > SGI > > SGI acknowledges VU#398025 reported by CERT and has released an > advisory to address the vulnerability on IRIX. > > Refer to SGI Security Advisory 20030301-01-P available from > ftp://patches.sgi.com/support/free/security/advisories/20030301-01-P > or http://www.sgi.com/support/security/. > > The Sendmail Consortium > > The Sendmail Consortium suggests that sites upgrade to 8.12.8 if > possible. Alternatively, patches are available for 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, > and 8.12 on http://www.sendmail.org/ > > Sendmail, Inc. > > All commercial releases including Sendmail Switch, Sendmail Advanced > Message Server (which includes the Sendmail Switch MTA), Sendmail for > NT, and Sendmail Pro are affected by this issue. Patch information is > available at http://www.sendmail.com/security. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Our thanks to Internet Security Systems, Inc. for discovering this > problem, and to Eric Allman, Claus Assmann, and Greg Shapiro of > Sendmail for notifying us of this problem. We thank both groups for > their assistance in coordinating the response to this problem. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Authors: Jeffrey P. Lanza and Shawn V. Hernan > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This document is available from: > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-07.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > Email: cert(a)cert.org > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > Postal address: > CERT Coordination Center > Software Engineering Institute > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > U.S.A. > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > Using encryption > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. > Our public PGP key is available from > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more > information. > > Getting security information > > CERT publications and other security information are available from > our web site > http://www.cert.org/ > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, > send email to majordomo(a)cert.org. Please include in the body of your > message > > subscribe cert-advisory > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. > Patent and Trademark Office. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > NO WARRANTY > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. > > Revision History > Mar 03, 2003: Initial release > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > iQCVAwUBPmOZEWjtSoHZUTs5AQGNUwP/YC0aRMqrFoLxUjG9pZIOBb98z8BFPfTW > w/5u09rcW7WpH52XGaOWbu9PYtnLKtPaMrwevc38r6ILvZywasxdpUcUtR4W9XPZ > 9EW4LYB1EaU81PLpzkQXWkVAhlX4vgHTU75oEcjfsacxXHlxtMYM1JpmyO8gvlnl > pD4vLdvJqHE= > =PfHu > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (2003-3-4)
by Craig Whitmore 02 Mar '03

02 Mar '03

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) Nationally, please update your Prefix Lists to add the Following Networks ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 219.88.128.0/20 le 24 A full Cisco Prefix List is attached. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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.geek.nz - last day to vote
by Dean Pemberton 02 Mar '03

02 Mar '03

The vote is drawing to a close. If you still want to have a say then here is the page Closes at midnight. http://vote.internetnz.net.nz/ Dean

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CCIP EXTERNAL ADVISORY REDISTRIBUTION: Remote Sendmail HeaderProcessing Vulnerability
by Andrew Evans 02 Mar '03

02 Mar '03

A little heads up for those running sendmail. Information on the vulnerability was released at around 6:30am NZT. Note that this vulnerability is message oriented, i.e. an exploit can be contained in the body of an email message. CCIP EXTERNAL ADVISORY REDISTRIBUTION ---------------- Start of External Reference --------------- CERT® Advisory CA-2003-07 Remote Buffer Overflow in Sendmail Original release date: March 3, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Sendmail Pro (all versions) * Sendmail Switch 2.1 prior to 2.1.5 * Sendmail Switch 2.2 prior to 2.2.5 * Sendmail Switch 3.0 prior to 3.0.3 * Sendmail for NT 2.X prior to 2.6.2 * Sendmail for NT 3.0 prior to 3.0.3 * Systems running open-source sendmail versions prior to 8.12.8, including UNIX and Linux systems Overview There is a vulnerability in sendmail that may allow remote attackers to gain the privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. I. Description Researchers at Internet Security Systems (ISS) have discovered a remotely exploitable vulnerability in sendmail. This vulnerability could allow an intruder to gain control of a vulnerable sendmail server. Most organizations have a variety of mail transfer agents (MTAs) at various locations within their network, with at least one exposed to the Internet. Since sendmail is the most popular MTA, most medium-sized to large organizations are likely to have at least one vulnerable sendmail server. In addition, many UNIX and Linux workstations provide a sendmail implementation that is enabled and running by default. This vulnerability is message-oriented as opposed to connection-oriented. That means that the vulnerability is triggered by the contents of a specially-crafted email message rather than by lower-level network traffic. This is important because an MTA that does not contain the vulnerability will pass the malicious message along to other MTAs that may be protected at the network level. In other words, vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of a network are still at risk, even if the site's border MTA uses software other than sendmail. Also, messages capable of exploiting this vulnerability may pass undetected through many common packet filters or firewalls. Sendmail has indicated to the CERT/CC that this vulnerability has been successfully exploited in a laboratory environment. We do not believe that this exploit is available to the public. However, this vulnerability is likely to draw significant attention from the intruder community, so the probability of a public exploit is high. A successful attack against an unpatched sendmail system will not leave any messages in the system log. However, on a patched system, an attempt to exploit this vulnerability will leave the following log message: Dropped invalid comments from header address Although this does not represent conclusive evidence of an attack, it may be useful as an indicator. A patched sendmail server will drop invalid headers, thus preventing downstream servers from receiving them. The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#398025. This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2002-1337. For more information, please see http://www.sendmail.org http://www.sendmail.org/8.12.8.html http://www.sendmail.com/security/ http://www.iss.net/issEn/delivery/xforce/alertdetail.jsp?oid=21950 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/398025 II. Impact Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may allow an attacker to gain the privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. Even vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of a given network may be at risk since the vulnerability is triggered from the contents of a malicious email message. III. Solution Apply a patch from Sendmail Sendmail has produced patches for versions 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, and 8.12. However, the vulnerability also exists in earlier versions of the code; therefore, site administrators using an earlier version are encouraged to upgrade to 8.12.8. These patches are located at ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.security.cr.patch ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.11.6.security.cr.patch ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.9.3.security.cr.patch Apply a patch from your vendor Many vendors include vulnerable sendmail servers as part of their software distributions. We have notified vendors of this vulnerability and recorded their responses in the systems affected section of VU#398025. Several vendors have provided a statement for direct inclusion in this advisory; these statements are available in Appendix A. Enable the RunAsUser option There is no known workaround for this vulnerability. Until a patch can be applied, you may wish to set the RunAsUser option to reduce the impact of this vulnerability. As a good general practice, the CERT/CC recommends limiting the privileges of an application or service whenever possible. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Computer, Inc. Security Update 2003-03-03 is available to fix this issue. Packages are available for Mac OS X 10.1.5 and Mac OS X 10.2.4. It should be noted that sendmail is not enabled by default on Mac OS X, so only those systems which have explicitly enabled it are susceptible to the vulnerability. All customers of Mac OS X, however, are encouraged to apply this update to their systems. Avaya, Inc. Avaya is aware of the vulnerability and is investigating impact. As new information is available this statement will be updated. BSD/OS Wind River Systems has created patches for this problem which are available from the normal locations for each release. The relevant patches are M500-006 for BSD/OS version 5.0 or the Wind River Platform for Server Appliances 1.0, M431-002 for BSD/OS 4.3.1, or M420-032 for BSD/OS 4.2 systems. Cisco Systems Cisco is investigating this issue. If we determine any of our products are vulnerable that information will be available at: http://www.cisco.com/go/psirt Cray Inc. The code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos, Unicos/mk, and Unicos/mp may be vulnerable. Cray has opened SPRs 724749 and 724750 to investigate. Cray, Inc. is not vulnerable for the MTA systems. Hewlett-Packard Company SOURCE: Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services Software Security Response Team x-ref: SSRT3469 sendmail HP will provide notice of the availability of patches through standard security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services support channel. IBM Corporation The AIX operating system is vulnerable to the sendmail issues discussed in releases 4.3.3, 5.1.0 and 5.2.0. A temporary patch is available through an efix package which can be found at ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/aix/efixes/security/sendmail_efix.tar.Z IBM will provide the following official fixes: APAR number for AIX 4.3.3: IY40500 (available approx. 03/12/2003) APAR number for AIX 5.1.0: IY40501 (available approx. 04/28/2003) APAR number for AIX 5.2.0: IY40502 (available approx. 04/28/2003) Openwall GNU/*/Linux Openwall GNU/*/Linux is not vulnerable. We use Postfix as the MTA, not sendmail. Red Hat Inc. Updated sendmail packages that are not vulnerable to this issue are available for Red Hat Linux, Red Hat Advanced Server, and Red Hat Advanced Workstation. Red Hat Network users can update their systems using the 'up2date' tool. Red Hat Linux: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-073.html Red Hat Linux Advanced Server, Advanced Workstation: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-074.html SGI SGI acknowledges VU#398025 reported by CERT and has released an advisory to address the vulnerability on IRIX. Refer to SGI Security Advisory 20030301-01-P available from ftp://patches.sgi.com/support/free/security/advisories/20030301-01-P or http://www.sgi.com/support/security/. The Sendmail Consortium The Sendmail Consortium suggests that sites upgrade to 8.12.8 if possible. Alternatively, patches are available for 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, and 8.12 on http://www.sendmail.org/ Sendmail, Inc. All commercial releases including Sendmail Switch, Sendmail Advanced Message Server (which includes the Sendmail Switch MTA), Sendmail for NT, and Sendmail Pro are affected by this issue. Patch information is available at http://www.sendmail.com/security. Our thanks to Internet Security Systems, Inc. for discovering this problem, and to Eric Allman, Claus Assmann, and Greg Shapiro of Sendmail for notifying us of this problem. We thank both groups for their assistance in coordinating the response to this problem. Authors: Jeffrey P. Lanza and Shawn V. Hernan This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-07.html CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert(a)cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo(a)cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History Mar 03, 2003: Initial release ---------------- End of External Reference --------------- CCIP only issues those external alerts that we assess as serious and would affect a large number of NZ users. For notification of all discovered software vulnerabilities we recommend that you subscribe to a commercial Computer Emergency Response Team or to vendor alert lists. The CCIP also maintains a list of the more recent mainstream alerts and advisories at: http://www.ccip.govt.nz/alerts-advisories/alerts-advisories.htm While this advisory is accurate to the best of our knowledge, CCIP does not accept any responsibility for errors or omissions. If the vulnerability affects you, you are advised to ensure that you have the most current information available. CCIP will not be liable for any loss or damage howsoever caused, arising from or in connection with the use of information contained in this advisory. Reference in this advisory in any manner to any commercial product, process or service does not constitute or imply its endorsement or recommendation by CCIP. Views and opinions expressed herein may not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes. Please refer to the CCIP web site (www.ccip.govt.nz) for a complete list of recent alerts and advisories. Issued by: Watch Centre, Centre for Critical Infrastructure Protection, P O Box 12-209, Wellington. Internet: www.ccip.govt.nz E-mail: alerts(a)ccip.govt.nz Tel: +64 4 498 7654 Fax: +64 4 498 7655

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RBL's used
by Craig Whitmore 28 Feb '03

28 Feb '03

As the amount of spam grows as the internet grows bigger, using RBL's is growing as well (to try and stop/slow the spam). I am wondering what RBL's other ISP's/Companies in NZ Use? There are quite a number (of RBL's) but a few can't be used as they still have Xtra's Network in them (for "Sueing ORBS" they say), but the best I've found so far has been http://relays.osirusoft.com. Can anyone suggest a better one/comments/pitfalls on using RBL's for slowing down spam. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.nzdsl.co.nz

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Re: [nznog] RBL's used
by Michael Newbery 27 Feb '03

27 Feb '03

At 5:24 PM -0800 27/2/03, Chris Wedgwood wrote: >On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:27:06AM +1300, Russell Fulton wrote: > >> This isn't really feasible since the whole point of the RBL is that >> you dump the session before it sends anything so you don't know who >> its for. > >I *think* barfing (5xx) when you get a connection or on "MAIL FROM" >strictly speaking isn't allowed in the RFC (I've not check rfc2821 so >this may have changed since '821). From RFC 2821 3.1 Session Initiation The SMTP protocol allows a server to formally reject a transaction while still allowing the initial connection as follows: a 554 response MAY be given in the initial connection opening message instead of the 220. I.e. if an RBL'd host connects to you, even before the HELO/EHLO, you can tell them to go away 554 Transaction failed (go away evil spammer) -- Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited

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Persistent spammer 210.24.225.148
by Simon Byrnand 26 Feb '03

26 Feb '03

Anyone else had trouble with a very persistant spammer on adsl148.dyn225.pacific.net.sg [210.24.225.148] or nearby ip addresses belonging to the same ISP lately ? Doing dictionary attacks, and attempting connections at the rate of several hundred per minute, (up to 50 simultaneous connections at once) and still attempting the same connection rate even after being firmly 550'ed.....not funny at all. Had the same thing happen a week ago from another adsl ip address belonging to the same ISP and actually got what seemed like a positive response to abuse@ saying that they had sorted out the problem, only for it to happen again less than a week later from a slightly different ip address. Just paying lip service to abuse emails, or do they have a high percentage of scum like customers I wonder... :) Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet

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Heads Up - streaming event thursday
by Richard Naylor 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

Heads up There is a streaming event in Wgtn tomorrow, covering a presentation by the CEO of MTV-Europe, Brent Hansen. The stream will start with test pattern and "curtain opener" stuff at around 4:30pm with the main event at 5:30pm until around 8:00pm. Streams will be at 56k, 128k and 384kbps and will be on WIX coming from l1.r2.co.nz (203.118.144.36) While we don't expect the traffic volumes of the LOTR event last year, they have managed to sell some tickets and maybe someone might watch (other than us in the hall). So there appears to be some interest. We also have advanced warning of a LOTR event in mid March. I'll advise as soon as I get told something. rich

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E1 / PRI equipment (Lucent Ascend Max)
by Michael Hallager 21 Feb '03

21 Feb '03

Hello all, Has anyone on the list had experiance with setting up and/or using imported Lucent Ascend Max 4048 56k RAS servers? (E1 version of course). I would like to know what peoples experiences are. I can be contacted at: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Michael Hallager

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Big increase in 419 spam?
by Juha Saarinen 21 Feb '03

21 Feb '03

Am I just being unlucky, or are others seeing a big surge in 419 spam? Not just from Nigeria (blocked), but from freemail servers all over the place -- Europe, Asia, the US, South America etc. 419 spam accounts for the vast majority of UCE/UBE that I receive now. -- Juha Saarinen

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ENUM
by Philip D'Ath 21 Feb '03

21 Feb '03

I've been doing quite a bit of development in the VoIP word of late, and one project I need to get going is a +64 ENUM reverse delegation for 4.6.e164.arpa. Is anyone on this list working is this area, or have done work in this area? Philip D'Ath IFM Ltd http://www.ifm.net.nz/

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RE: [nznog] Big increase in 419 spam?
by Mike Clark 20 Feb '03

20 Feb '03

for a proactive approach try the nigerian fraud masterclass: http://www.fattibastardo.com/fraud.html -----Original Message----- From: Michael Newbery [mailto:Michael.Newbery(a)team.telstraclear.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 21 February, 2003 12:43 To: NZNOG Subject: Re: [nznog] Big increase in 419 spam? At 12:19 PM +1300 21/2/03, Juha Saarinen wrote: >Am I just being unlucky, or are others seeing a big surge in 419 spam? Someone appears to be working on a filter. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/29410.html -- Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] NZNOG 2003 Content
by Jamie Baddeley 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

Hi, "..Managing IP Networks with Free Software.." Free as in speech or Free as in Beer? I'd be happy to help out/swap notes with anyone doing "..Managing IP Networks with Open Source Software.." jamie >>> "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> 02/20 3:58 PM >>> Suggestions I've received for NZNOG 2003 content are summarised below. The first number listed after each topic is the number of expressions of interest I've received, the second is the number of offers to present. NB: One volunteer has heroically made multiple offers to present and can't possibly deliver on all of them. So further feed back on preferences and/or offers to present definitely remain relevant. DNS [1/0] DNS Security [0/1] f-root Server Deployment [0/1] Email [1/0] Measurement New Zealand Network Measurement Infrastructure [1/0] Passive Network Measurement [2/1] New Zealand Next Generation Internet [2/0] The Future of IP Addressing [0/1] Spam [1/0] Spam Filtering at the Provider Level [0/1] Tutorials BGP [0/1] Congestion Mitigation [0/1] Managing IP Networks with Free Software [0/1] Mitigating Network Abuse using BGP [0/1] Real-World Network Operations [0/1] For now I'm seeking content independent of the conference format. I'm hoping we'll be guided in the format by the content. Feedback to me rather than the list, please. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] NZNOG 2003 Content
by Stephen Andrew 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

Given that this is a NZ event "Managing IP Networks using Wet String and the Change from Parking Meters[1]" might be a go? ;-) -- Andrew [1] For the providers out there doing a remarkably good job of managing effective IP networks with wet string and the change from parking meters who may take offence, please don't; New Zealand has done remarkably well with wet string ever since we worked out the interference from the zapper thing on the No 8. was what was causing the problem. ----Original Message---- From: Jamie Baddeley [mailto:jamie.baddeley(a)bclnz.com] Sent: Thursday, 20 February 2003 4:32 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] NZNOG 2003 Content > Hi, > > "..Managing IP Networks with Free Software.." > > Free as in speech or Free as in Beer? > > I'd be happy to help out/swap notes with anyone doing > > "..Managing IP Networks with Open Source Software.." > > jamie > >>>> "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> 02/20 3:58 PM >>> > Suggestions I've received for NZNOG 2003 content are summarised > below. The first number listed after each topic is the number of > expressions of interest I've received, the second is the number of > offers to present. > > NB: One volunteer has heroically made multiple offers to present and > can't possibly deliver on all of them. So further feed back on > preferences and/or offers to present definitely remain relevant. > > DNS [1/0] > DNS Security [0/1] > f-root Server Deployment [0/1] > > Email [1/0] > > Measurement > New Zealand Network Measurement Infrastructure [1/0] > Passive Network Measurement [2/1] > > New Zealand Next Generation Internet [2/0] > > The Future of IP Addressing [0/1] > > Spam [1/0] > Spam Filtering at the Provider Level [0/1] > > Tutorials > BGP [0/1] > Congestion Mitigation [0/1] > Managing IP Networks with Free Software [0/1] > Mitigating Network Abuse using BGP [0/1] > Real-World Network Operations [0/1] > > For now I'm seeking content independent of the conference format. I'm > hoping we'll be guided in the format by the content. > > Feedback to me rather than the list, please. > > - Donald Neal > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read > it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not > copy or use any part of this communication or disclose > anything about it. Thank you." > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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NZNOG 2003 Content
by Donald Neal 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

Suggestions I've received for NZNOG 2003 content are summarised below. The first number listed after each topic is the number of expressions of interest I've received, the second is the number of offers to present. NB: One volunteer has heroically made multiple offers to present and can't possibly deliver on all of them. So further feed back on preferences and/or offers to present definitely remain relevant. DNS [1/0] DNS Security [0/1] f-root Server Deployment [0/1] Email [1/0] Measurement New Zealand Network Measurement Infrastructure [1/0] Passive Network Measurement [2/1] New Zealand Next Generation Internet [2/0] The Future of IP Addressing [0/1] Spam [1/0] Spam Filtering at the Provider Level [0/1] Tutorials BGP [0/1] Congestion Mitigation [0/1] Managing IP Networks with Free Software [0/1] Mitigating Network Abuse using BGP [0/1] Real-World Network Operations [0/1] For now I'm seeking content independent of the conference format. I'm hoping we'll be guided in the format by the content. Feedback to me rather than the list, please. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Xtra moving APE peering to new router port 06:00 tomorrow
by Kevin Stewart 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

Xtra moving APE peering to new router port 06:00 tomorrow Sorry for the short notice The outage should be less than 10 Min I will broadcast ping once I am done but you may wish to clear your ARP if you don't see your BGP session up after this For those who MAC filter I will send the new MAC to the list when I work it out Kevin Stewart Services Specialist Telecom New Zealand DDI: +64 9 363 5849 Cell: +64 25 412 731

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HELP Please - Mail record resolution for fisherfunds.co.nz
by zapf11＠ihug.co.nz 17 Feb '03

17 Feb '03

Hi All, Have always been reading but never posted. Have this problem here with resolving the mail record for fisherfunds.co.nz . Tkns for any assistance in advance. I have this mail server at clients connecting via Xtra ADSL network using their default DNS servers (202.27.184.3 / 202.27.184.5) to resolve a mail record. Have tried mail / smtp / mx @fisherfunds.co.nz without any luck. I know that fisherfunds.co.nz is hosted on Xtra and uses Xtras mail servers. As I can successfully send mail to fisherfunds.co.nz from Orcon internet. So to sum it up my mail server and the target domain is both on Xtras network, but my mail server cant resolve their Mail record to deliver mail. How does other people E.g Orcon get the mail delivered? What is not working? Thanks Felix Ultra Tech Ltd

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[public-consult] RFV - Request for Votes - .geek.nz (fwd)
by Juha Saarinen 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

Thought this might be of interest to some who aren't subbed to the public consult list. -- Juha Saarinen ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:15:57 +1300 From: Peter Macaulay <exe.dir(a)internetnz.net.nz> Reply-To: "vote-geek(a)internet.net.nz" <vote-geek(a)internet.net.nz>, InternetNZ Public Consultation List <public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz> To: "members-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz" <members-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz>, "public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz" <public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz>, "public-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz" <public-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz> Subject: [public-consult] RFV - Request for Votes - .geek.nz InternetNZ, through the Office of the Domain Name Commissioner, is conducting a vote to gauge whether there is support for the creation of a new second level domain in the *.nz namespace - namely geek.nz. The details of the application can be found at http://www.dnc.org.nz/story/30058-30-1.html and it is being considered based on the current Second Level Domains Policy. This policy can be found at http://dnc.org.nz/content/second_level_domains.pdf. Voting for this application will start February 18 2003 at 23:59 and close at March 4 2003 at 23:59. The application must receive at least 200 votes and at least 70% support for it to enter the next phase which is a formal submission process. This vote will not determine if .geek.nz is implemented, only to see if it has wide enough support for it to continue in the approval process. Voting is available via a website or email and details of voting can be found at http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/2ld030304-voting_details… Please note - to be able to vote you have to have a valid email address and a New Zealand postal address. The NZ postal address would be such that mail sent to that address would be expected to reach the voter. There are no other restrictions on who can vote. Any missing information on the ballot will result in the ballot being ruled invalid. Please check to make sure all the required information is included on your ballot. Voting opens online at http://vote.internetnz.net.nz at 23:59 on 18 February. Any inquiries should be sent to the Voting Officer at vote-help(a)internetnz.net.nz An email ballot can be cast by emailing vote-geek(a)internetnz.net.nz. The following form may be used. A 'reply' to this email should work but please check the email address before sending as only votes to the correct email will be counted. Delete two of the three voting options plus all text before and after the ballot. --BEGINNING OF BALLOT-- Name: Email address: NZ Postal Address: I VOTE FOR THE CREATION OF .GEEK.NZ I VOTE AGAINST THE CREATION OF .GEEK.NZ I ABSTAIN --END OF BALLOT -- Peter Macaulay Executive Director InternetNZ Direct +64 4 495 2113

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RE: [nznog] nznog 2003. Possible clash
by Donald Neal 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

> > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > > Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 10:34 > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: [nznog] nznog 2003. Possible clash > > > > > > Can someone confirm the date for nznog 2003? According to > this email: > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2003-January/005754.html > > > > it's on the 10th to 12th of July. > > Yes, those are the planned dates. > > > just I notice that this appears to clash with the Netsafe > conference: > > > > http://www.netsafe.org.nz/conferences/conferences default.asp > > > > I'm not sure how much the overlap of people is but it might > > affect some. I've heard back from one person that this is likely to affect them. If there isn't anyone else, I don't think we'll be doing anything about this. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop
by Frank March 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Forwarded for your information. I am not aware of any NZers attending and would be very interested to hear from anyone thinking of going. --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Crick, Gabrielle [mailto:Gabrielle.Crick(a)dcita.gov.au] Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2003 12:40 To: 'apectel-poc(a)lists.dcita.gov.au' Subject: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop Dear colleagues The organisers of the APEC TEL IPv6 workshop invite APEC member economies to participate in the APEC TEL IPv6 workshop being held in Bangkok, Thailand on 20-21 March 2003, just prior to APEC TEL27 in Malaysia. The workshop will cover: Issues surrounding the current standard of Internet Protocol version 4 (IPv4) and how it limits the number of Internet Protocol (IP) addresses available globally. This lack of potential access will threaten all other efforts to bridge the digital divide. The need for policy makers, regulators, and decision makers in APEC economics to be familiar with issues in moving from IPv4 to IPv6 including transition, operation, financial impact, applications, security, and quality of service issues. Risks and benefits of adopting IPv6. For further information on the workshop and registration details please read the attached documents or go to www.totacademy.com. If you require additional information please contact either: Dr. Jack Treuhaft e-mail: treuhaj(a)algonquincollege.com Dr. Pongthiti Pongsilamanee e-mail: ppongs01(a)tot.co.th Kind regards Ms Gabrielle Crick Office of the APEC Telecommunications and Information Working Group Chair Department of Communications, Information Technology and the Arts Level 1, 38 Sydney Ave, BARTON GPO Box 8771 Canberra 2601 AUSTRALIA Ph +61 2 6271 1296 Fax +61 2 6271 1800 _________________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Security Adviser of the Department of Communications, Information Technology and the Arts, telephone (02) 6271-1880 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. _________________________________________________________________________ http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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RE: [nznog] nznog 2003. Possible clash
by Donald Neal 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 10:34 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] nznog 2003. Possible clash > > > Can someone confirm the date for nznog 2003? According to this email: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2003-January/005754.html > > it's on the 10th to 12th of July. Yes, those are the planned dates. > just I notice that this appears to clash with the Netsafe conference: > > http://www.netsafe.org.nz/conferences/conferences default.asp > > I'm not sure how much the overlap of people is but it might > affect some. Could anyone affected by this please speak up NOW. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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My apologies to the list for the auto responder, the problem has been rectified.
by Gavin Palmer 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Cheers Gavin Palmer

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nznog 2003. Possible clash
by Simon Lyall 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Can someone confirm the date for nznog 2003? According to this email: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2003-January/005754.html it's on the 10th to 12th of July. just I notice that this appears to clash with the Netsafe conference: http://www.netsafe.org.nz/conferences/conferences_default.asp I'm not sure how much the overlap of people is but it might affect some. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

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Re: [nznog] Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Lin Nah 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Joerg Micheel wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:52:24PM +1300, Nevil Brownlee wrote: > > > I'm pleased to announce that Vinton Cerf will give a public lecture on "The > > > Internet: its future and the opportunities it presents", at the University of > > > Auckland campus from 6pm to 7pm on Thursday 20 February 2003. (Venue: U of Auckland City Campus, Library Building Basement B28) Many Thanks to Nevil for giving us the information... > So everyone can safely attend Christophe's talk on Tuesday there, > without missing out on Vint Cerf :-) And the talk is on a Thursday! Would anyone be interested in a meal of Curry and Beer after the talk? We can make a booking at one of the restaurants in the city ( eg there's 2 or 3 in Lorne St - down the hill from campus ) if people are interested. Possibly make the reservation for 7:30pm with a warning to the restaurant that we may be late due to attending a lecture on campus. What do you think? Expressions of interest either to invite(a)auckland.thursdaynightcurry.com or me please. lin ps Also curry tomorrow night at Sitar restaurant, Mt Eden Rd, 7:30pm.

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New IANA IPv4 allocations and bogon updates
by Rob Thomas 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

Hi, NZNOG listfolk. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] IANA has allocated 222/8 and 223/8 to APNIC as of February 2003. The sundry bogon projects have been updated to reflect these allocations. You will find the catch-all Bogon Reference Page here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html This includes links to the Secure IOS Template, Secure Juniper Template, bogon monitoring, and other associated references. Both 222/8 and 223/8 were withdrawn from the bogon route-server as of 13 FEB 02:01:00 US CST. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Centurion Computer Technology Ltd 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

You will need to notify the US Embassy in advance if you want to attend the Tuesday talk. I will copy the PDF file I received from the Embassy to anyone emailing me direct for further information. Can I get the pdf please? Thanks -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technolgy Limited Ph: (04) 565 1344 (025) 374 387 email: centurion(a)paradise.net.nz

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DNS Zone Push Review
by Nick Griffin 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

The current number of DNS Zone Pushs being executed is 2 per day (11am and 7pm). I am currently reviewing this and am proposing that the number is increased to a maximum of 6 per 24 hour period with the following timetable 3am, 7 am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, and 11pm. As apart of the review I am seeking feedback from registrars, stakeholders and interested parties: a) If there are any reasons that should be considered that would stop this from occurring. b) If there is a lead time to update your systems to cater with such a change, and what that lead might be. c) if there is a timetable that is prefered over that proposed. When doing the review I shall be taking into account the above when deciding the Zone Push timetable and roll out schedule. The timetable that I will be working to is: 28 February Receipt of comments 7 March Announcement of Zone push timetable and implementation schedule This notice will also be published on the NZRS website, DNC website, the SRS newsletter and the NZNOG. Cheers Nick Nick Griffin Registry Manager .nz Registry Services PO Box 24361 Wellington New Zealand e nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz <mailto:nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz> m 64 21 505 229 p 64 4 931 6977 f 64 4 931 6979 w www.nzrs.net.nz <http://www.nzrs.net.nz> CAUTION : This Email message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this Email in error, please notify me immediately and delete all material pertaining to this Email. Thank you. -- Nick Griffin Registry Manager .nz Registry Services PO Box 24361 Wellington New Zealand e nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz <mailto:nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz> m 64 21 505 229 p 64 4 931 6977 f 64 4 931 6979 w www.nzrs.net.nz <http://www.nzrs.net.nz> CAUTION : This Email message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this Email in error, please notify me immediately and delete all material pertaining to this Email. Thank you.

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ISDN performance
by Michael Hallager 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

Hello, Can anyone please inform me *From first hand experience only* what the average latency is across a Centrex Auckland BRA ISDN? Best regards, Michael Hallager michael at comsolve.net.nz -------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop
by Mike Clark 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

some good ones linked to from vint cerfs site: http://www.worldcom.com/global/resources/cerfs_up/issues/ -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [mailto:asjl(a)lpnz.org] Sent: Thursday, 13 February, 2003 16:02 To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: Re: [nznog] FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop I spotted these on the ISOC site recently: Waiting for IP version 6 by Geoff Huston (http://ispcolumn.isoc.org/2003-01/Waiting.html) and Response by IPv6 Forum to "Waiting for IP version 6" by Latif Ladid and Jim Bound (http://www.isoc.org/pubs/isp/ipv6response.shtml_ _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] FW: APEC TEL IPv6 Workshop
by Ewen McNeill 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

In message <C031BD7C-3EF7-11D7-B971-00039312C852(a)automagic.org>, Joe Abley writes: >On Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003, at 21:00 Canada/Eastern, Frank March wrote: >>[APEC workshop will cover] >> Issues surrounding the current standard of Internet Protocol version 4 >> (IPv4) and how it limits the number of Internet Protocol (IP) addresses >> available globally. > >Someone should tell these people that we are not running out of IPv4 >addresses any time soon They actually only talk about IPv4 limiting the number of addresses available -- which is true. There are only 2**32 of them :-) But it's not quite the point. However people outside the network-core could be forgiven for believing that there's a dire shortage of IP addresses. When only a few years ago a business connection would often have a /24 or greater address space, often one which was "portable" (in theory, but perhaps not in practice), these days plenty of business connections are given a single (gateway) IP address, and it is strongly suggested they use NAT -- even when hosting multiple servers requiring incoming connections. (In at least one instance I've seen multiple connections installed primarily "to get another IP address". When they started in on adding a few more hosting servers, and ordering their third connection "to get another IP address" I put my foot down, and they have finally applied for a /28, which will already be > 50% filled simply properly numbering the existing servers.) >and that the real pressing issue is how you make the routing system >scale (an issue which IPv6 does not attempt to address). This is the flip side to the "one address, or maybe a few more if you beg lots". You end up lots of very long prefixes. To be sure many of those couldn't care less about routing, and CIDR works well for them. But you end up with a certain percentage that have a legitimate need to do their own routing, for redundancy or otherwise, and still have fairly long prefixes. Even if they go through the (non-obvious to those outside the core networking arena) process required to get a /24, that still gives you a lot of /24s floating around to deal with routing. I tend to agree with you that by and large IPv6 will just shuffle this problem around some, and still leave basically the same issue with "how do we deal with all these routes". (The address space will be larger, and in theory will be more hierachically allocated, but there'll still be the same people, and the same portion of them will want/need to do their own routing, etc.) I'd be happy to see IPv6 deployed to get rid of some of the worst excesses of NAT I see (particularly the "traffic in to one IP address splits off to N internal servers in difficult to keep track of fashions") but other than that I don't think it's going to solve all that much by itself. Ewen

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ISDN performance
by Michael Hallager 12 Feb '03

12 Feb '03

Hello, Can anyone please inform me *From first hand experience only* what the average latency is across a Centrex Auckland BRA ISDN? Best regards, Michael Hallager michael at comsolve.net.nz

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RE: [nznog] Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Frank March 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

AFAIK, yr friendly USG. The US Embassy is certainly acting as v close minder for the visit. --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gardner [mailto:andy(a)navigator.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:45 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week At 1:50 PM +1300 2/12/03, Frank March wrote: >For those not already in the loop, Vint Cerf, one of the original developers >of TCP/IP and currently Chair of the ICANN Board is visiting NZ to speak at >the Knowledge Wave Forum in Auckland Thursday next week. He will also be >speaking at two public fora in Wellington. Who's paying for Vint's trip? Cheers, -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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None
by Nevil Brownlee 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Hi again: Sorry, I failed to send the second paragraph of the announcement about Vint's Auckland talk, the one telling *where* it's happening. Here it is.. > I'm pleased to announce that Vinton Cerf will give a public lecture on "The > Internet: its future and the opportunities it presents", at the University of > Auckland campus from 6pm to 7pm on Thursday 20 February 2003. > > I have booked Library room B28 (capacity 419) for this event. I have also > booked an overflow room (with videolink) that will handle an additional 269 > people. My University is now preparing a press release. Cheers, Nevil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Director, Technology Development Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 ITSS, The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7021 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz/

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Vint Cerf visiting NZ next week
by Frank March 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

For those not already in the loop, Vint Cerf, one of the original developers of TCP/IP and currently Chair of the ICANN Board is visiting NZ to speak at the Knowledge Wave Forum in Auckland Thursday next week. He will also be speaking at two public fora in Wellington. Monday 17 February, 5:30 pm. National Library Auditorium, Molesworth St, Wellington, "Towards and Information Society for All" Tuesday 18 February, 11:45 (for noon). US Embassy, 29 Fitzherbert St, Wellington, "E-mail, how its changed busienss and where it is going" You will need to notify the US Embassy in advance if you want to attend the Tuesday talk. I will copy the PDF file I received from the Embassy to anyone emailing me direct for further information. I understand that Vint is also going to give a public talk in Auckland later in the week but at this stage do not know the details. --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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U.S. Congress and ICANN
by Andy Linton 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

I won't be able to get to the talk given by Vint Cerf at the National Library next week but I think there's some questions about US policy in relation to ICANN that someone should ask him. Attached find some material about the Senate Communications Subcommittee and ICANN. It seems that the US view may be that just like Iraq and its oil the Internet belongs to them and that they have the right to remove this body as they please even though other national entities have signed up to the process. Perhaps Vint could comment? [Note the reference to root name servers and DOS attacks which make this message of operational significance! (:-)] --- [Jan 15, 2003] U.S. Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) announced his top priorities for his chairmanship of the Senate Communications Subcommittee during the 108th legislative session. ICANN Reform STRENGTHENS AND SECURES THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE INTERNET Sen. Burns will take aim at the organization's persistent half-hearted efforts at internal reform. The lack of accountability of this quasi-governmental organization poses serious problems for American national security. The recent "denial of service" (DOS) attack on nine of the 13 Internet "root servers" in October highlights these concerns. Constitutional issues are also troubling, including whether the Commerce Department was within its rights to grant such a huge responsibility to ICANN in the first place, potentially violating the nondelegation clause [of the U.S. Constitution]. This issue demands immediate oversight. Sen. Burns will hold a hearing on ICANN Reform in the spring to address potential legislation to authorize ICANN's continued existence.

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NZNOG 2003 - Suggestions for Content
by Donald Neal 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

People, I'd be interested in receiving suggestions of subjects people would like to see covered at this July's gathering in Auckland. To me directly, please, not to the list. Offers to present are also, of course, welcome. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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freebsd iso
by Mark Frater 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Anyone know where in NZ I can get the latest freebsd stable release ISO? nz.ftp.freebsd.org seems flakey and last time I connected, didn't have anything later than v4.5 Mark

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Achieving Protection and Security in an OnLine World - Free semin ar
by Frank March 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Please distribute this information to anyone you think might be interested. Seminar sponsored by AOEMA and supported by Ministry of Economic Development Date & Venue: Monday 3rd March Christchurch Convention Centre Conference Room 1&2 95 Kilmore Street CHRISTCHURCH Wednesday 5th March Centennial Convention Centre Main St PALMERSTON NORTH Speakers: Michael Baker, Yuichi Tosaki, John Thackray, Tony Krzyzewski, Michael Wigley Cost: Free Register: REGISTRATIONS Please email your attendance to: Michael Baker Executive Director, AOEMA Michael.baker(a)aoema.org Or contact: Jim Higgins 04 939 2800 or 021 963 268 Copies of the full programme available by emailing frank.march(a)med.govt.nz Further information available at http://www.nzecommerce.co.nz/default.aspx?page=showevent&id=25 --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.

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Re: [nznog] freebsd iso
by Dan Langille 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

On 3 Feb 2003 at 18:06, "Mark Frater" <mfrater(a)quicks wrote: > On 4 Feb 2003 at 11:52, Mark Frater wrote: > > > Anyone know where in NZ I can get the latest freebsd stable release > > ISO? > > FWIW, there is a copy: > > http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.0/ I'm sorry, I misread. Take the other link. You do not want the above. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/

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Spammer: spametropolis.co.nz.
by Simon Lyall 30 Jan '03

30 Jan '03

Anyone at Xtra going to do anything about this crowd? I've already sent in two complaints to abuse(a)xtra (and got nice letters back even) and they just sent me another spam with a promise of another to come. I notice they even spam IDG: http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/printdoc/BEA9EAEA8C0900DACC256C7B0077ACE4… I've blocked them now but I'd really prefer that Xtra was a little more.... -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

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NZNOG 2003 - Final Vote Count
by Donald Neal 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

Three weeks ago, I asked NZNOG subscribers who expect to attend to express a preference for a conference with UniForum broadly similar to last year's on one hand, or a lower-cost gathering hosted by The University of Waikato. In counting votes, I have ignored those received from UniForum members who are not subscribed to this list. The envelope, please ... Preferring UniForum: 16 Preferring Waikato: 13 Will attend either, not worried: 6 Volunteering to help: 3 I'm inclined to conclude from this that we do not have a clear majority for either option, or more positively that we have quite a bit of interest in both. The three volunteering to help were two who favoured the UniForum option and one who would attend either. Partly for that reason, partly in the interests of getting an event under away sooner rather than later, and partly because it worked last time, I believe we should proceed with the UniForum option. It is also clear that we have significant interest in an alternative, and I believe that should be followed up, possibly for February 2004. One longer-term question would be whether 2004 could support two events, one at Waikato and another jointly with UniForum in the Wellington region. Unless I hear significant numbers of complaints soon, I'll seek to follow up who's doing what with UniForum's convenor, Roger De Salis, and those who've volunteered; and myself contact The University of Waikato with a view to working out some details for a later conference. One of my aims here is to have decisions about the conference after next made not later than during the next conference. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Mailing List Software Migration
by Donald Neal 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

The NZNOG mailing list has run since the mid-90's (yes, it has been that long) using Majordomo list management software. The list will shortly be migrating to using the rather more current mailman v2.1 instead. The address to which mail for the list is to be sent will not change. Archive collection will continue as before, though with minor changes to the layout of the web pages generated. The process for subscribing or unsubscribing will change, and will in future use a password. These are to be generated automatically in the first case, and sent out to subscribers as the migration proceeds later today. One significant change affecting a few people is that the nznog-postonly list will cease to exist. Instead, it will be possible to subscribe an address to the main nznog list and specify that that address is not to receive mail. This is to be done automatically for the addresses now subscribed to nznog-postonly. An unfortunate result of the automatic process used is that each address will have a different initial password assigned. I suspect you'll cope. OK, Colin, take it away ... - Donald Neal List Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [nznog] anyone else getting Welcome messages?
by Ewen McNeill 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

NOTE: Sent to nznog in the hope of stemming the tide of "meeee tooooo" posts; Please do not respond on the list. In message <3E383197.32604.79198938(a)localhost>, "Dan Langille" writes: >I just got a welcome to the list message... but I've been subscribed >for quite some time.... That would have something to do with this announcement: -=- cut here -=- From: "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:57:43 +1300 Subject: Mailing List Software Migration [....] The list will shortly be migrating to using the rather more current mailman v2.1 instead [.....] These [passwords] are to be generated automatically in the first case, and sent out to subscribers as the migration proceeds later today.[....] -=- cut here -=- So receiving a welcome message is perfectly normal. If you didn't get one and didn't get this message either you should probably contact the list adminstrator....[0] Ewen [0] Yes, this is a joke.

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RE: [nznog] anyone else getting Welcome messages?
by Dan Langille 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

On 30 Jan 2003 at 14:02, Lindsay Druett wrote: > > I just got a welcome to the list message... but I've been subscribed > > for quite some time.... > > Yes you have indeed... > You have been subscribed for over ten minutes now -- according to > Mailman... Woo hoo! Thanks. You and about 8 others have told me about the message I deleted without reading. If I have no time to read them, I just delete them. I'm glad I'm not the only one to have missed it. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/

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[Fwd: anyone know who is using this address block?]
by Russell Fulton 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

I some how doubt that a six year old address @student.canterbury.ac.nz will be much use. Anyone know of a contact -- one address in this block is infected with slammer worm... Russell Whois: inetnum: 202.37.124.0 - 202.37.125.255 netname: ISHOP-NZ country: NZ descr: Internet Shop Home Networking Expt (January 1996) Internet Connected BBS (March 1996) Internet Provider (May 1996) admin_c: JT5-NZ tech_c: JT5-NZ remarks: mnt_by: MAINT-NULL changed: sandy(a)waikato.ac.nz 960109 status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE source: APNIC notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ J.Tew(a)student.canterbury.ac.nz -- Russell Fulton, Computer and Network Security Officer The University of Auckland, New Zealand "It aint necessarily so" - Gershwin -- Russell Fulton, Computer and Network Security Officer The University of Auckland, New Zealand "It aint necessarily so" - Gershwin - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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CAIDA skitter in New Zealand
by Joerg Micheel 29 Jan '03

29 Jan '03

Cheers everyone, this is a request for help in the interest of research / community. For the past four years the WAND network research group at the University of Waikato has been hosting the only skitter system in the South Pacific rim. http://www.caida.org/tools/measurement/skitter/ The system measures and displays a number of important network properties on a global scale and tracks changes on short, medium and long time scales. Waikato has been the beacon on the map, making sure NZ shows up on the radar screen of the Internet (research) community. The problem in running a skitter system is with the amount of traffic generated, it can easily exceed 1 GByte per day, and with traffic charging in place, this adds up to something like NZ$50,000 per annum for us. We have been coping with a mix of external and internal funding, but those sources have finally dried out. The sad result is that we had to shut down the system last week. No backup solutions so far. This note to you to explore if any of you have an idea on alternative placements, preferably with no volume charging in place at all, or, with a nominal fee. There is little chance we can keep operating a machine here in NZ if the amount of funding required is going to be substancial. Thanks. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)nlanr.net> NLANR MNA at SDSC/UCSD Page: <joerg(a)vodafone.net.nz> The University of Waikato, CompScience Phone: +64 7 8384794 Private Bag 3105 Fax: +64 7 8585095 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: PMA, TINE and the DAG's - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Uniforum 03 Student discounts
by Matthew Lamb 28 Jan '03

28 Jan '03

Someone mentioned a discount for students attending, anyone know anything about them / where I can find some more info? Thanks Matt Lamb NZPages.Net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Last Call for 2U cases
by Mark Frater 28 Jan '03

28 Jan '03

Hi List, I'm ordering 2U 19" wide by (only) 19" deep cases from Taiwan direct from manufacturer. These shallow cases are ideal for 600mm deep cabinets. Takes standard ATX moboWe have deployed both P4 and Athlon boards in these cases already and they have been fine. Here is a PDF cad drawing. http://www.quicksilver.net.nz/272-dia.pdf. Made by Comix International. $US200 for case, 400W PSU and 3xPCI Riser card. PLUS freight, gst and handling. Total cost worked out at NZ$612.88/case last time after shipping, customs charges and GST were added. This time might be slightly better with more cases and a better exchange rate. Realistically, about 3-4 weeks delivery ( ie 1 week to get deposits, 1 week for Comix to process order, 1 week for airfreight, 1 week for NZcustoms clearance. Pickup from Quicksilver Internet, Textile Centre, Kenwyn St, Parnell, or for a small fee we could arrange for a courier from here. I'd like to get a deposit of say NZ$400 per case off people before placing the order. Make out cheques to Mercury Telecommunications Ltd and send to: Attn: Mark Frater, Mercury Telecommunications Ltd P.O.Box 99856 New Market Contact me off list TODAY if you are interested. Mark Frater Quicksilver Internet ph 9160300 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2003 - Last Call for Votes
by Donald Neal 27 Jan '03

27 Jan '03

Days since I asked people who expect to attend to express a preference: 19 Preferring UniForum: 10 Preferring Waikato: 8 Will attend either, not worried: 3 Volunteering to help: 2 The University of Waikato expect an attendance from them which is about five higher if the Waikato option is chosen. I don't see a clear outcome here. but if we're going to anything a decision of some sort is needed. Could I please have any further expressions of interest by noon (NZDT) on Thursday, 30 January? People who liked the idea of doing both UniForum NZ in July 2003 and Waikato in February 2004: 2 - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: NZNOG 2003 - Last Call for Votes
by Donald Neal 27 Jan '03

27 Jan '03

Chris, When I first floated the idea of what became last year's face to face gathering, I got 22 responses. Asking people without quoting dates, prices or a programme will tend, I think, to produce less interest than a specific proposal. - Donald Neal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hellberg [mailto:odysseus(a)soa.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2003 12:50 > To: Donald Neal > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 - Last Call for Votes > > > I hope this isn't a guage of the interest for NZNOG 2003 - 23 people. > The calibre of last year's event was pretty impressive and no > doubt that this year will be just as good; I know I'm looking > forward to it. > > It would be a real shame to miss out on the best event of its > type in NZ for lack of support. I'm sure there are more out there who > have heard of IP or 2day.com-sponsored bar tabs. > > Hopefully I got enough superlatives in ;) > > Cheers, > > Chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[OT] 19" Coms Rack Cabinet...
by Dan Clark 27 Jan '03

27 Jan '03

Hi all, Sorry for the OT but would anyone out there have any spare 19" Coms Rack Cabinets surplus/for sale? Especially in the Dunedin area. We are in need of a 1/2 height (24U ish). Please contact off list. Kind Regards, Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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worldwide DDOS (sql server fun)
by Joe Abley 25 Jan '03

25 Jan '03

http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/mssql-udp.txt Time to start applying some filters at your edges. This has taken some big networks off the air in the US (and at least one in NZ). term deny-dos { from { packet-length 404; protocol udp; destination-port 1434; } then { count codered-4; discard; } } term allow-rest { then accept; } - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: worldwide DDOS (sql server fun)
by Ewen McNeill 25 Jan '03

25 Jan '03

In message <005701c2c4b1$165b1a80$0c01a8c0(a)saarinen.org>, "Juha Saarinen" writes: >Joe Abley <jabley(a)automagic.org> wrote: >> http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/mssql-udp.txt > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2693925.stm >Although I remain dubious about this claim: >"Unlike viruses, the worm exists only in memory, so it cannot be detected by >traditional anti-virus scanners." I'm not sure which bit you're dubious about: the "only in memory" or the "cannot be detected by traditional anti-virus scanners". The only in memory has been identified by various people starting to disassemble it. Various useful links (that have come through Bugtraq): >From "Jay D. Dyson" <jdyson(a)treachery.net>: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/370308 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/399260 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/484891 >From H D Moore <sflist(a)digitaloffense.net>: http://www.digitaloffense.net/worms/mssql_udp_worm/ (which contains some disassembly screen shots, and a unannotated disassembly) >From cstone <cstone(a)pobox.com> http://www.boredom.org/~cstone/worm-annotated.txt (which contains an annotated disassembly) >From what I can tell it's just a worm, spreading itself as fast as it can. Presumably the vulnerable hosts thus identified are then prime targets for something else to come in as a second wave. There's nothing in the annotated disassembly that indicates writing/sending data anywhere other than the Internet, hence "only in memory". Various people report that the infection can be cleared by stopping SQL server and/or rebooting -- with the obvious caveat that if it's not disconnected/firewalled from possible sources, it'll be reinfected quickly. As for "cannot be detected by traditional anti-virus scanners", that's probably a fall out of not writing anything to disk (which could be scanned), and memory protection in modern OS (which means the "memory scan" phase of DOS-based virus scanners is limited to the memory space the anti virus scanner is running in, without kernel support). Presumably a debug API or similar could be used to scan all memory, but I don't recall seeing that type of technique in (m)any anti-virus programs. Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: 2LD Review for *.nz ?
by Frank March 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Although this matter is off-topic for this list, it might pay for me to clarify matters here. InternetNZ has a clearly laid out set of procedures for reviewing policies relating to .nz administration - please see the Domain Name Commissioners website at http://www.dnc.org.nz/ for more information. Included in these is the process for determining and reviewing policies and procedures. Briefly the review process requires the establishment of a review committee whose task it is, inter alia, to carry out a process of wide public consultation. In this case, the review committee composition has been discussed with the InternetNZ Council who have delegated final membership determination to the .nz Oversight Committee. It should be noted that the notice (and accompanying press release) went out on 13 December which is, even by the relaxed NZ standards at this time of the year, a reasonable time before Christmas/New Year. The review terms of reference have yet to be decided but will be wide (see http://www.dnc.org.nz/story/30064-35-1.html) The public consultation, apart from online discussions, will involve at least one forum session of some type, probably co-incident with a broader discussion of other InternetNZ matters of public interest, to be organised late in the first half of this year. Unfortunately, I cannot be more specific about dates and location as this is a matter for the InternetNZ Council and the new Executive Director to sort out. Best wishes, Frank March Chair, .nz Oversight Committee --- Frank March Senior Specialist Adviser, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Phone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 474 2659; Mobile (+64) 21 042 9205 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Brislen [mailto:Paul_Brislen(a)idg.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:26 To: Mark Foster Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: 2LD Review for *.nz ? I would be interested to hear from anyone who has applied as well - I thought the nomination process was a bit quick, especially with the Christmas/New Year/Holiday of your choice season smack in the middle of it. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: 2LD Review for *.nz ?
by Paul Brislen 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Sadly, it's too late - nominations/applications closed first week of January... Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net>@list.waikato.ac.nz on 23/01/2003 12:03:11 Sent by: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz cc: Subject: 2LD Review for *.nz ? http://www.idg.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/E021027AAA37CF2DCC256CB6000704F1!open… (Apologies for any offtopicness, but I know there will be people here very interested in this...) Anyone going to volunteer? - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: 2LD Review for *.nz ?
by Paul Brislen 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

I would be interested to hear from anyone who has applied as well - I thought the nomination process was a bit quick, especially with the Christmas/New Year/Holiday of your choice season smack in the middle of it. Let me know off list if you like - I'm as far off topic as I like to get. Cheers, Paul PS - yes, I'm the reporter for IDGNet. Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> on 23/01/2003 13:36:03 To: "Paul Brislen" <Paul_Brislen(a)idg.co.nz> cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: 2LD Review for *.nz ? "The nominations for interest in being involved have closed and InternetNZ's oversight committee will meet in early February to select the four other participants." Oops.. Maybe ill rephrase. Anyone involved with NZNOG involved with this? The implications will impact alot of us here, I imagine. Thanks Paul, Mark. At 11:53 23/01/2003 +1300, Paul Brislen wrote: >Sadly, it's too late - nominations/applications closed first week of >January... - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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2LD Review for *.nz ?
by Mark Foster 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

http://www.idg.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/E021027AAA37CF2DCC256CB6000704F1!open… (Apologies for any offtopicness, but I know there will be people here very interested in this...) Anyone going to volunteer? - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The green green grass of home...
by Dean Pemberton 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Hi all; I've been overseas for almost 5 years now, and it's time to come back home to New Zealand. I do however need a job. I've spoken to my current employer about this of course. While they acknowledge that it is technically possible for me to get a transfer to NZ, they can not see it happening in the near future. This is unfortunate, but does nothing to dampen my desire to return home. SO; If anyone out there has a position they need filled, or know of someone else who does, then can you drop me a line. My preference is for permanent work in Wellington, but I'm also happy to consider contract work and other locations. I'm also open to negotiation regarding salary, so don't worry about that to begin with. I'm basically keeping an open mind. So if you have something pass it on. I have a current CV at http://deanpemberton.com/cv/ Feel free to pass it along to anyone who might be interested. Thanks Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Talk about 'Network Measurements at Sprint, AS 1239'
by Nevil Brownlee 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Hi Jamie: > Have you come across a similar project by RIPE? > http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/ > > Are the two trying to achieve the same objectives with different approaches > in terms of scale and distribution? (Though to me RIPE has the edge as is > appears to measure IPDV) Yes. RIPE test traffic provides data about Internet links between their 'test boxes;' RIPE NCC offer it as a (charged for) service to ISPs who are RIPE members. I agree, it's an interesting project - their web pages http://www.ripe.net/ttm/index.html are well worth a look. The Sprint work is concerned with measuring and understanding the way traffic behaves in their backbone, and how that information can be used to imnprove backbone behaviour, for example by using it to tune IS-IS link weights. > Nevertheless, some very interesting statistical information found at > http://ipmon.sprint.com Cheers, Nevil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Director, Technology Development Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 ITSS, The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7021 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through University of Auckland http://www.auckland.ac.nz/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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more on the PDP-11
by Richard Naylor 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

I should have mentioned its not small. The basic 2 disk machine is a 1.2m rack. I normally stack the 3rd disk and floppy on top, making a 5 foot rack. In my box of bits there maybe some MicroVax cpus as well. Theres also a few backplanes, so you can probably build a 2nd or 3rd machine. There is also a real DEC VT100 And for those of you who think "in car computers" (&MP3 players) are cool, I had an in car PDP-11 probably before you were born. rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone looking to 2U cases ?
by Mark Frater 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Hi List, I've tried getting 2U 19" wide by (only) 19" deep cases from Procase, but they don't have any and can't get them. Unless anyone knows a NZ source for these, I am intending to get some from Taiwan. US$200 including 400W PSU. Takes standard ATX mobo, comes with 3PCI riser card. We have some units in production already and they have been fine. Contact me off list if you are interested and we can split the shipping and import charges. Mark Frater Quicksilver Internet ph 9160300 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Reporting NZNOG activities at APRICOT
by Philip Smith 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

Hi, Apologies for non-operational content, but I was wondering if anyone from New Zealand would be going to APRICOT 2003 in Taipei (www.apricot2003.net) If you don't already know, APRICOT is the Asia Pacific's annual Internet Operations conference, tutorial and workshop event; it is also hosts APNIC's open policy meeting, as well as the meetings of many other AP internet related organisations. I'm co-chair of APOPS (www.apops.net) the AP region's operator mailing list (intended to work along the same lines as NANOG, AfNOG, and EOF). The APOPS meeting will be held as part of APRICOT on Wednesday 26th, and I think it would be great if someone from the New Zealand Internet community could give a short (max 15 minutes) presentation on local Internet activities. I'm not looking for anything fantastically detailed, just a general FYI style overview of what's going on. If anyone is interested in helping with this, and is going to APRICOT, please let me know. thanks a lot! philip -- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [Xinqu] Re: [was-Xinqu] Re: more on the PDP-11
by Richard Naylor 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

At 02:53 p.m. 20/01/2003 +1300, Bruce Hoult wrote: I don't know why anyone would think that it was kosmos. Kosmos quite clearly announced itself as VAX/VMS when you logged in and *that* isn't going to run on a PDP-11. agreed <sigh> >You didn't answer my questions about what sort of physical ethernet >interface it has (thick or thin), whether it talks TCP/IP, or whether >you've got a Unix for it. And I'll add to that a question about RSTS... it has AUI. the real ethernet. Sorry no *ix for it, nor RSTS. I mainly did real time stuff and that meant RSX or RT-11 (which is what MS-DOS was modelled on, not to confuse with the IBM-360-DOS, or the many other DOS's out there in those days. Add TSX to RT-11 and you have a good clone of RSTS. It has a similar multi login thingy per terminal like Linux . Oh theres more... DRV-11 - parallel interface - if you like building stuff or doing nuclear device testing Analog devices isolated input A/D converter several serial devices (synch) several serial devices (asynch) with modem controls. And no, I'm not parting with my industrial-11 (aka PDP-11/05) front panel with the flashing lights. there were only two of those in NZ if that. rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [Xinqu] Re: more on the PDP-11
by Richard Naylor 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

At 10:41 a.m. 20/01/2003 +1300, Lin Nah wrote: >IS this machine one of those used for the wcc freenet? NO. its my own private family PDP-11 >I seem to remember some talk about kosmos being given to someone >who would appreciate it etc but I could be mistaken Sorry - I wasn't in WCC IT when Kosmos was decomm'd rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: more on the PDP-11
by Richard Naylor 19 Jan '03

19 Jan '03

At 10:41 a.m. 20/01/2003 +1300, Lin Nah wrote: >IS this machine one of those used for the wcc freenet? > >I seem to remember some talk about kosmos being given to someone >who would appreciate it etc but I could be mistaken No - this is my own home machine. Kosmos was actually 3 different machines. The first was a Vax 750 from the MED (We merged MED and WCC data centers - thats when the fiber got started), the second was a MicroVaxII (later a small cluster) and finally a MicroVax 3400. While I closed CityNet down, I didn't dispose of the gear, I was working in Economic Development by then and it wasn't my issue. I know it stayed active for some time as it was the main dial in box for WCC staff rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT: Surplus equipment available
by Richard Naylor 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

Howdy all, I have some mature equipment available. 1x PDP 11/73 (also 11/23 and 11/03 processors) 4 MB RAM (i think - lots of other modules) 8 serial ports (DLV-11J - no modem controls) 2x 8 inch floppy RX-01 (128k I think) 3x RL01 Removable disk drives (5MB each) (lots of cartridges/packs) 1x DEQNA ethernet lotsa other modules, including a unibus tester and Q-bus stalk card (for scoping cards) I also have a Tape drive controller and a card reader, altho VUW currently have the card reader. It currently runs RT-11/TSX and I also have copies of RSX-11M V3.2 or V4. There is word processing (Lex-11) Fortran and Basic and probably others I've forgotten. An old DECUS database manager. And yes it has games like Space Invaders and Adventure (read "Soul of a New MAchine by Tracey Kidder") My kids grew up with it, so theres a classy menu system that asks quiz questions everytime you select something, especially the games. I think theres my old UUCP mail system on it as well as a DECUS one that doesn't network. Its all original DEC kit complete with service manuals and circuit diagrams and diagnostic progs. I used to work for a DEC OEM, so its been well looked after. Any interest ? rich - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2003 - Vote Count So Far
by Donald Neal 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Days since I asked people who expect to attend to express a preference: 8 Preferring UniForum: 8 Preferring Waikato: 8 Will attend either, not worried: 2 Volunteering to help: 1 The University of Waikato expect an attendance from them which is about five higher if the Waikato option is chosen. I don't see a clear outcome here. I think I'll go on holiday. Then again, what if we did both - UniForum NZ in July 2003 and Waikato in February 2004? - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Message Stopped by: Junk Mail Inbound
by Simon Blake 15 Jan '03

15 Jan '03

Woohoo! A new low, I'm a junkmailer :-). Preemptive apology for prior message being off charter, I guess I won't hold my breath for applications from Safecom users. Cheers Si ----- Forwarded message from admin(a)safecom.co.nz ----- From: admin(a)safecom.co.nz To: simon(a)citylink.co.nz CC: Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:24:37 +1300 Subject: Message Stopped by: Junk Mail Inbound The Safecom SMTP Relay has quarantined this email due to the triggering of the Junk Mail policy. The email has been forwarded to the Mail Administrator of the intended recipients company. This Mail Administrator will forward the mail to the recipient should it be deemed as legitimate email i.e not Chainmail, Virus Hoax or Jokes. Message: BB0056338e.00000001.mml From: simon(a)citylink.co.nz To: <deleted>@hpac.govt.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 This is an automated response. Do not reply to this message. If you have any further questions please contact the intended recipient to confirm whether they received the email. ----- End forwarded message ----- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Simon Blake 15 Jan '03

15 Jan '03

Evening all On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 11:00:26PM +1300, Richard Naylor said: > The other issue is that unless we get Si his helper (yes there is a job > going), then I suspect you get me or Si, but not both. As Richard so subtly alludes, Citylink is hiring, to replace some of Jonny (who's bunked off on his OE) and some of me (who's moving to other projects within Citylink). I prefer not to think of the new role as Si's little helper, rather as a fully functional member of the tech team at Citylink, but well, whatever works. To keep it brief, I'm not going to quote a full job description of what we're after (although rest assured, one does exist), yawl get to guess, based on what you know of what Jonny and I did/do. I will observe a couple of points though: - it's a job in Wellington. There will be the odd trip to Auckland to stare at Level 48, but otherwise, it's Wellington. No whining. - willingness to do (occasional) outside plant work. That means a drivers license, and an ability to cope with ladders/heights. Likewise, the network in Wellington is constrained over a fairly small area, so be emotionally prepared to walk places occasionally as part of your work. - runumeration is flexible - we're a community network, with not a great deal of cash to fling around, but we will pay to get the right person. Other than that, it's a cool place to work, small team (15-20 people), lots of variety and challenge, flexibility, yadayadayada. CV's in *sane* formats to jobs(a)citylink.co.nz by the end of next week (Fri 24 2002). Please feel free to pass this on to whomever may be interested. Cheers Si - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Internet Traffic Report
by Donald Neal 13 Jan '03

13 Jan '03

Dean Pemberton sent this to the list: - - - - - heh - things like this are intersting but you have to be careful who you give them to. MRTG is easy for people to misunderestimate =) Evaluating the whole internet as a number could be so much worse. I love this bit though Australia Total Routers: 7 Now Aus/NZ is small - but thats a bit much =) Dean On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 14:04, Michael Newbery wrote: > THWACK! THWACK! THWACK! > > I meant http://www.internettrafficreport.com/main.htm > > That other is an internal site which you can't see. Pasted the wrong > URL into the email. > > MUMBLE... > -- > Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2003 - Vote Count So Far
by Donald Neal 13 Jan '03

13 Jan '03

Days since I asked people who expect to attend to express a preference: 5 Preferring UniForum: 8 Preferring Waikato: 4 Will attend either, not worried: 1 Volunteering to help: 1 On the other hand, The University of Waikato expect an attendance from them which is about five higher if the Waikato option is chosen. My main conclusion so far is that I haven't heard from very many people. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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24dBi Dish Req.
by Matthew G Brown 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

Does anyone out there have a 24-26dBi 802.11 Grid Antenna surpuss. Required for backhaul to customer while Telstra sort out their problems. Best Regards Matthew G Brown Janator & Cleaning Services NZ Wireless LTD Http://www.nzwireless.co.nz Matt(a)NZWireless.co.nz

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Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003
by Tony McGregor 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

On 12 Jan 2003, Dean Pemberton wrote: > Can we have printed brochers to hand out to our customers. (I told them > there was a webpage) Sure. Normally either in the bag, or on a literature table. Or on the desks first day. > Can you send us the webpage URL so that we can link to it from our > Events calender (Told them it was coming) Certainly, there will be a web site. C.F. for example the pam2003 one. www.pam2003.org > Can we get the list of attendees and contact details (Yeah right, but > they will ask) Most of the conferences I got to provide attendees and affiliation but not contact details. > Can we put up advertising around the venue, how much and for how long. > etc etc etc etc etc A sponsor could. Tony - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003
by Tony McGregor 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

> 7. t-shirts > > Make a t-shirt for each conference, and give them away to attendees. > It's cheap advertising delivered directly into machine rooms and NOCs. T-shirts are no problem, if we want to add them to the reg fee. They cost about $15 from memory, depending on the quality of the shirt (we just had a bunch made). Probably an ideal sponsorship opportunity. Tony - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Tony McGregor 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Joe Abley wrote: > At NANOG meetings the presentation slides are up on the web site before > the conference starts, usually in some browsable form as well as native > format (PDF, powerpoint). This is cool, but in my experiance the sticking point is getting the persenters material in time. This isn't one of those conferences where we can hold the threat of not being allowed to speak if you don't get the presentation in on time. > Naturally, any plans involving video will require someone to actually > record the sessions in the first place :) We do have a professional unit that does that at Waikato. They will cost a bit though. If people want, I can follwo up. The difference a profesional makes here is huge. Tony - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2003
by Donald Neal 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

In July of last year I posted to this list asking people to express their preferences between one of two different formats for an NZNOG gathering for this year. As I described them then, the options were: "1/ UniForum NZ Roger De Salis has volunteered to act as convenor for next year's UniForum NZ conference. In general terms, his intention is to stage a conference similar in structure to this year's, though with Linux content much more focussed toward a business audience, and in general a stronger programme. NZNOG would be welcome to participate on more or less the same basis as this year, though presumably making up a smaller proportion of a larger conference. This would probably be at around the same time of year and probably in Auckland. 2/ The University of Waikato The University of Waikato have offered to host a NZNOG gathering, to be held at their main campus in Hamilton. This would be a stand-alone event, with the university providing administrative staff time for registrations and the like. No decision has been made as to when this would be. If held outside university terms, e.g. in February, accommodation on campus would be available at a cost of approximately $35 per night. There would be a cost for the venue, but this would be well below the rate a hotel would charge. The Hamilton option is likely to have a significantly lower cost. It is possible that a university setting would discourage sponsors, who provided a good number of overseas speakers this year. On the other hand, the likely venue photographs well and we haven't asked them yet." I received exactly one clear statement of a preference. A subsequent posting by Tony McGregor confirmed that he was confident that a gathering at The University of Waikato could keep its registration fee very low, possibly as low as zero. I know that Roger De Salis has continued to work on content for a UniForum conference, and intends a Next-Generation Internet stream for that. I'd like now to hear back from people who would actually plan to attend one or other if it were offered a) whether they have a clear preference for one format or the other, and b) whether they're in a position to do any work towards making something happen. If you're making a general comment, by all means send it to the list, but please send statements of personal preference just to me. I plan to summarise feedback more or less as I receive it. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Tony McGregor 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

I'm sorry I haven't responded to any of the questions about the Waikato venue earlier; I'm on holiday at the moment. A lot of details would have to be confirmed but here's what I would expect of a Waikato venue. Location A lecture room of appropriate size. Projector, OHP, mike etc. All good quality gear. I'd expect we'd use 'S' block for those of you who know the campus. We'd use the foyer for breaks etc. Food There is no problem providing lunch morning and afternoon tea, constant coffee, even a fridge. There are vending machines nearby. This is a registration cost issue. How much do you want to bundle in there? I'd imagine we'd setup an optional conference dinner either at a nearby restaurant or at the restaurant and bar on campus. Network There is good connectivity to any room we'd be in. (6-8Mbps to off campus). Usage charges are a bit of an issue. I'd be billed about 10c/Mb. The 2-3Gb mentioned for the last conference is no problem, but we'd need sponsorship to do streaming video. We (the WAND group) are currently looking to buy some bandwidth so this issue may well be gone by the time the conference occurs. We didn't actually provide wireless to the last conference, but did come equipped to do so, just because we wanted it ourselves. We would certainly provide wireless in the conference room and foyer. That too is a no brainer. We have (for another conference) provided wireless to the on campus restaurant and bar and could probably do that again if they were used. Network access to accommodation depends. I believe some of the on-campus accommodation rooms have LAN ports. We could probably do wireless to others. It might be possible for us do an ad hoc wireless link to a nearby motel but that's not a given. Web vs Attendance Because we don't have a very high one off cost I don't think this is an issue. From memory (my notes are at work) the fixed costs were low enough that I could probably sponsor them. So the registration would mostly be covering per participant costs. It seems possible to me that we could have free registration for those not wanting food etc. Niceties Pens, paper, water, mints, power are a no brainer. A bag is quite doable if people really want it. It either needs to be sponsored or adds, say $25 to the registration fee. Transport Hamilton is only a 90 min drive from downtown Auckland (unless the Auckland traffic gets you.) You can also take a bus, train or even fly. People commute to Auckland from here. Surely, coming down here for a couple of days isn't really a big issue. What may be an issue for non-Aucklanders, is the fairly limited air services to here. Wellington is good, everything else is indirect. Accommodation The big issue here is timing. If you want to use the on campus accommodation the conference needs to be mid-Nov to mid-Feb. That means it's 10 months away. Other times we'd have to use off campus accommodation. The nearest is about a 20-25min walk so car pooling (or arranging a mini-bus) is a good idea. We'd probably select a conference hotel or motel and arrange most things around that. (E.G. have the dinner walking distance from the nominated hotel). There's a good range of accommodation of various prices nearby. Sponsors and Speakers Having other sponsors will be a big help in making the conference go off well and be more fun. It's been suggested that sponsors might be less keen to sponsor a meeting if it's at Waikato. I can't really see that. It's the community that attracts the sponsorship, not the location. We haven't found this to be a problem at other conferences at the University We have plenty of international contacts (we sponsored David Moore last year). I'm sure we could attract some of them to come here. Experience The university does run a fair number of conferences. I was on the organising committee for PAM2000 and am a co-chair for PAM2003. I've also done a bunch of other meetings and conferences. Why? You might we wondering why I'm keen to host it here. Firstly, I want the WAND group to be better known by the NZNOG community. > Our funders say we need to raise our profile within NZ. Also, I spent more on student registrations last time that covering the basic costs would have cost if I'd done it here and I can't justify that again. But, if I can spend the same money, and have that payoff for everyone, and buy some brownie points, it seems like a good deal. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (2003-01-13)
by Craig Whitmore 12 Jan '03

12 Jan '03

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746), please update your Prefix Lists to add the Following Networks. ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.27.208.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.36.183.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.49.106.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.180.128/26 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.193.64/27 A full Cisco Prefix List is attached. Those you don't accept greater than a /24 ignore the last 2 prefix Lists. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Ewen McNeill 10 Jan '03

10 Jan '03

In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0301110438180.23094-100000(a)blue.darkmere.gen.nz>, Lin Nah writes: >For example the U of Waikato contingent was strong (10 - 15). [...] >After all without them we'd have been without that wonderful wireless >network. [1] I'd actually assumed that the wireless was provided by Citylink, what with the wireless units reporting CafeNet, etc. In any event, it was good to see a bunch of people from University of Waikato turn up, and scheduling the conference for a university term break obviously helped. >What I am trying to say is there were frills From owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sun Jan 12 20:12:25 2003 Return-Path: <owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Delivered-To: nznog-archive(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Received: (qmail 29748 invoked by alias); 12 Jan 2003 20:12:24 -0000 Delivered-To: nznog-waiklist(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Received: (qmail 29743 invoked by uid 24754); 12 Jan 2003 20:12:24 -0000 Delivered-To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Received: (qmail 29733 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 20:12:23 -0000 Received: from mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (130.217.66.61) by list.waikato.ac.nz with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 20:12:23 -0000 X-Envelope-From: mail(a)dalek.telecom.co.nz X-Envelope-To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Received: from smtpout.telecom.co.nz (smtpout.telecom.co.nz [146.171.14.10]) by mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h0CKCNg06542 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:23 +1300 Received: from aksmtpmdr2.telecom.co.nz (aksmtpmdr2 [146.171.1.21]) by smtpout.telecom.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AB746187 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:23 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from 146.171.227.25 by aksmtpmdr2.telecom.co.nz with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v5.0)); Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:16 +1300 X-Server-Uuid: C12A7B57-6254-11D6-850C-00508BBBD939 Received: from akmail02.telecom.tcnz.net ([146.171.227.22]) by akextmail02.telecom.tcnz.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:16 +1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:12:16 +1300 Message-ID: <3936E12ED6B54E4087D8263F4E1AE8821F6EB6(a)akmail02.telecom.tcnz.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: prerequisites for NZNOG 2003 Thread-Index: AcK6ducXC4ocYSZkEdeD0wAAOblZJg== From: "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2003 20:12:16.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7548B20:01C2BA76] X-WSS-ID: 123F13AA89246-01-01 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2BA76.E746D0D0" Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BA76.E746D0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger De Salis sent this to the list - - - - - Quoting Dean Pemberton <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz>: > On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 08:26, Joe Abley wrote: > > People seem to be concentrating on the travel implications > > of Hamilton vs. Auckland, without considering other things > > that are (I think) somewhat important. Lin mentioned some > > of these, but I thought I'd make a list. >=20 > Good list - I just have one more thing to add. >=20 > When it comes to getting money out of companies. The Techies > don't have any. >=20 > Most of the Sponsorship money you need comes from the Marketing > department. And they don't care how much beer will be at the > conference. >=20 > I had some real issues with getting cash out of a certain company > without answering the following questions. >=20 > Can we have printed brochers to hand out to our customers. > (I told them there was a webpage) Yes. Glossy colour flyers being produced as we speak, as this makes the = selling exercise so much easier. I'll put the colour PDF's up on the Web = site, to let people colour print their own version for local conversations. > Can you send us the webpage URL so that we can link to it from our > Events calender (Told them it was coming) Yes. > Who else is sponsoring at this conference.=20 This is my exercise over the next 4 weeks, drum up the sponsorship. My hope= = is sponsorship will be similar to last year, with some additional sponsors. > Can we get the list of attendees and contact details=20 > (Yeah right, but they will ask) You can certainly get a copy of last years attendees. We are obviously = hoping for more. > Can we put up advertising around the venue, how much and for how long. > etc etc etc etc etc Yes, length of conference, whatever works for you. The point of the venue i= s= it is somewhat larger than last year. So corporate type things can happen = if the sponsors desire. >=20 > I'd suggest that people go and look at the Sponsorship page > for Apricot and see what they are offering to companies who > provide sponsorship. This is the sort of stuff that the > Marketing departments want to see. Otherwise you have a=20 > shit show of getting cash out of large companies. >=20 > Oh and most of the time they control the big speakers too =3D) Particularly if they help with the airfare.... Rgds Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential.=20 If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BA76.E746D0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV> Roger De = Salis sent=20 this to the list - - - -=20 - Quoting Dean Pemberton=20 <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz>: > On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 08:26, Joe Abley= =20 wrote: > > People seem to be concentrating on= = the=20 travel implications > > of Hamilton vs. Auckland, without= =20 considering other things > > that are (I think) somewhat = important. Lin=20 mentioned some > > of these, but I thought I'd make a= =20 list. > > Good list - I just have one more thing = to=20 add. > > When it comes to getting money out of = companies.=20 The Techies > don't have any. > > Most of the Sponsorship money you need = comes=20 =66rom the Marketing > department. And they don't care how muc= h= beer=20 will be at the > conference. > > I had some real issues with getting cas= h= out of=20 a certain company > without answering the following=20 questions. > > Can we have printed brochers to hand ou= t= to our=20 customers. > (I told them there was a = webpage) Yes. Glossy colour flyers being produced as = we speak,=20 as this makes the selling exercise = so much=20 easier. I'll put the colour PDF's u= p= on=20 the Web site, to let people colour print their own version<SPAN=20 class=3D065165619-12012003> for local conversations. > Can you send us the webpage URL so that= = we can=20 link to it from our > Events calender (Told them it was=20 coming) Yes. > Who else is sponsoring at this = conference.=20 This is my exercise over the next 4 weeks, = drum up=20 the sponsorship. My hope is = sponsorship=20 will be similar to last year, with some=20 additional sponsors. > Can we get the list of attendees and = contact=20 details > (Yeah right, but they will = ask) You can certainly get a copy of last years = attendees.=20 We are obviously hoping for=20 more. > Can we put up advertising around the = venue, how=20 much and for how long. > etc etc etc etc etc Yes, length of conference, whatever works fo= r= you.=20 The point of the venue is it is = somewhat=20 larger than last year. So corporate type=20 things can happen if the sponsors desire. > > I'd suggest that people go and look at = the=20 Sponsorship page > for Apricot and see what they are = offering to=20 companies who > provide sponsorship. This is the sort o= =66= stuff=20 that the > Marketing departments want to see. = Otherwise you=20 have a > shit show of getting cash out of large= =20 companies. > > Oh and most of the time they control th= e= big=20 speakers too =3D) Particularly if they help with the=20 airfare.... Rgds Roger</DIV></BODY></HTML> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. 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NZNOG 2003 - Vote Count So Far
by Donald Neal 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Days since I asked people who expect to attend to express a preference: 1 Preferring UniForum: 4 Preferring Waikato: 4 Will attend either, not worried: 1 Volunteering to help: 1 - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: NZNOG 2003
by Donald Neal 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

Chris, So far as I'm aware the income tax laws haven't changed in the past year, so UniForum membership is still likely to be a condition of the UniForum option. How the UniForum organisation is structured, and hence what the subscription is, was to be reviewed last year, though I've not heard of an outcome from that. - Donald Neal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hellberg [mailto:odysseus(a)soa.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:43 > To: Donald Neal > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 > > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 11:43:06AM +1300, Donald Neal wrote: > <<Stuff about venues>> > > I don't have a strong opinion either way on the two venues (as long as > there's beer and curry close-by), however I would prefer not to have > to pay for membership to a society that I'll never have any > interest in. > > That being said, I'm sure the cross-pollination on technical > discussions and presentations of the NZNOG and Uniforum type is good, > just keep the membership optional. > > Checking the list of past NANOG presentations: > > http://www.nanog.org/authors.html > > Gives a great start for potentials at NZNOG 2003. Jeff > Doyle is a pretty well-known brand in networking who I'd like to see > this year. > > Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Hi All
by Robert McDonald 09 Jan '03

09 Jan '03

> > Fyi, Today is my last day at TelstraClear, I'm moving down country to a > > less stressful life without pagers and multi-gigabit routers ( but plenty > > of tasty snapper ) . The primary TelstraClear wholesale network engineers > > will now be Tim Harman and Matt Camp in Auckland with Mark Seward and Sid > > Jones in wellington. > > It's interesting infact that this is happenning more and more. Now that > I am unemployed, and not having much luck with finding work I am > personally thinking of enrolling in university to finally make something > of myself (in the traditional sense) after dropping out of high school > to be a geek. > I know of at least one other engineer who is now attending university > and one other that is thinking of leaving his job to finish his degree. > > I also know at least one person (other than Tony) who has moved "down > country" for the better life style (and dare I say cheaper housing > prices) offered by a rural setting. > > I think we might have what you would call "a trend" taking place here. > Has the downturn finally affected the real geeks or is it simply the > tie-wearing corpo-drones with cisco qualifications pushing us out of the > industry that we created? > Is it really that slow in the market? > > I'm interested your opinions. I hope there is stil a place in the industry for a geek like me. I'd love to leave school straight into any kind of geek position. I am not one who likes the business side of the IT industry. I just wanna play with cool stuff. - Although the way it's going i'll be 5 years out of uni with a few certs as well before i get employed in any position with responsibility. Oh well such is life. What 16yo Dreams of upgrading his 486dialup router to a cisco with gigibit fibre. Who's bedroom hums like the server room of a large ISP? - without aircon! (probly because of the switch that howls and the CPU fans that are old and broken), And who cares about maintaining 100% uptime on his home lan? :D Cheers, Rob > > In the 6 years I've been in the ISP/Telco industry I have seen the New > > Zealand Internet grow from 64k links and 14.4 modems to 2.5gigabit links > > and broadband. The reliability and professionalism has also taken a > > quantum leap, and I think it is important for everyone to stop > > occasionally and appreciate how far we ( as an industry ) really come. > > Indeed. It seems like a lot has happenned since we had to manually > reset hundreds of external modems on shelves every morning. > I do have to say that I am really proud of the network engineers in this > country because even as the industry becomes more and more corporate > oriented the personalities on this list and their cohorts have created a > very real feeling of friendship and camaraderie that has made this a > great industry to work in. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG 2003
by Donald Neal 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Roger De Salis sent this to the list: Quoting Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net>: > I had intended this to go onto the list for discussion but missed the > reply-all button... > > > > >I'm not sure what Roger has in mind for Uniforum this year but > >I'd definately like to continue to see NZNOG and Uniforum work > >together in the interests of a single, good value conference, > >as opposed to two smaller ones. This is exactly what I had in mind, and IMHO, an individual smaller conference for Uniforum won't work. (This is my personal opinion!) Since Donald has beaten me to the punch, my current thinking is I am trying to secure a speaker from the Seattle Gigapop, to talk about Internet 2 operations overseas. The conference was intended to maintain a very strong (or stronger) networking theme. I was about to send out a Call for Papers, and maybe this is an opportune time to ask if there are any speakers people would dearly like to see. Another speaker I had in mind was a notable from Australia, to talk about their side of the ditch. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Practical stuff, I have an agreement for the Waipuna Lodge, on 10-11 and 12 July 2003, and it appears to me to be very similarly priced to the Centra last year, but it is quite a bit larger and offers opportunities for more flexibility with groups. In conclusion, wot he said. //shields on Any comments, encouragement, opinions welcome //shields off Rgds Roger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Re: NZNOG 2003
by Mark Foster 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

I had intended this to go onto the list for discussion but missed the reply-all button... >Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 11:58:41 +1300 >To: "Donald Neal" <Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz> >From: Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> >Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003 > >I for one liked Uniforum and NZNOG having their linked arrangement for the >last conference, theres a lot of crossover interest there and I see there >being some merit in being able to make the one trip and cover all bases, >as it were. > >I also know that the NZ Open Source Society would most likely be quite >keen to have a presence at at least one of them as there are obviously >some crossovers there as well given the nature of OSS use among Network >Professionals... > >I'm not sure what Roger has in mind for Uniforum this year but id >definately like to continue to see NZNOG and Uniforum work together in the >interests of a single, good value conference, as opposed to two smaller ones. > >At 11:43 9/01/2003 +1300, you wrote: >>In July of last year I posted to this list asking people to express their >>preferences between one of two different formats for an NZNOG gathering >>for this year. As I described them then, the options were: >> > >*snipped* - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG 2003
by Tim John 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Hi Donald, I thoroughly enjoyed last years Uniforum and intend going to the next one, regardless of venue and, hopefully, cost. Although the raw talent from Kiwi speakers is high (as we found out last year), I would still look forward to attending some presentations by our international peers. If the Hamilton location puts a shadow on this, perhaps the Auckland venue should be given more consideration. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2003 11:43 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: NZNOG 2003 In July of last year I posted to this list asking people to express their preferences between one of two different formats for an NZNOG gathering for this year. As I described them then, the options were: "1/ UniForum NZ Roger De Salis has volunteered to act as convenor for next year's UniForum NZ conference. In general terms, his intention is to stage a conference similar in structure to this year's, though with Linux content much more focussed toward a business audience, and in general a stronger programme. NZNOG would be welcome to participate on more or less the same basis as this year, though presumably making up a smaller proportion of a larger conference. This would probably be at around the same time of year and probably in Auckland. 2/ The University of Waikato The University of Waikato have offered to host a NZNOG gathering, to be held at their main campus in Hamilton. This would be a stand-alone event, with the university providing administrative staff time for registrations and the like. No decision has been made as to when this would be. If held outside university terms, e.g. in February, accommodation on campus would be available at a cost of approximately $35 per night. There would be a cost for the venue, but this would be well below the rate a hotel would charge. The Hamilton option is likely to have a significantly lower cost. It is possible that a university setting would discourage sponsors, who provided a good number of overseas speakers this year. On the other hand, the likely venue photographs well and we haven't asked them yet." I received exactly one clear statement of a preference. A subsequent posting by Tony McGregor confirmed that he was confident that a gathering at The University of Waikato could keep its registration fee very low, possibly as low as zero. I know that Roger De Salis has continued to work on content for a UniForum conference, and intends a Next-Generation Internet stream for that. I'd like now to hear back from people who would actually plan to attend one or other if it were offered a) whether they have a clear preference for one format or the other, and b) whether they're in a position to do any work towards making something happen. If you're making a general comment, by all means send it to the list, but please send statements of personal preference just to me. I plan to summarise feedback more or less as I receive it. - Donald Neal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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rsm.govt.nz mail probs?
by Andy Gardner 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Anyone else having trouble getting mail to rsm.govt.nz ? ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <info(a)rsm.govt.nz> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 <info(a)rsm.govt.nz>... Host unknown (Name server: rsm.govt.nz: no data known) -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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visibility of 202.41.136.0/22 within NZ
by Joe Abley 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

Hey, If BGP-aware people here have a spare minute, could they check the paths (if any) corresponding to 202.41.136.0/22 in their RIBs, and send me some mail about them? This is a new allocation from APNIC, and I'm trying to figure out whether there is more work to be done before it exists reasonably in peoples' filters. Private mail is good. No need to pollute the list. Thanks, Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Work for beer
by Andy Linton 05 Jan '03

05 Jan '03

Much as I am enjoying the summer weather I find I need money to buy beer. (Yes, this is shallow attempt to meet the requirements of the AUP.) So if you have some work you think I could tackle for you over the next few weeks/months, I'd love to hear from you. For those of you who don't know me, I have extensive experience with Unix systems and designing, building and running IP networks with AARNet, connect.com.au, Telecom Xtra, Netlink and Telstra-XXXX. andy - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This posting, or one like it, is sent to all subscribers each month. NZNOG held a face to face gathering as part of the UniForum NZ conference in 2002, and is likely to hold another face to face gathering this year. It doesn't hold other national face to face meetings, but see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has just under four hundred addresses subscribed, increasing by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the mailing lists described below. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The Bogon Reference Page
by Rob Thomas 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] Many of you have requested a variety of methods for obtaining a list of the bogon prefixes. I have added several additional methods of tracking the bogon prefixes, and I'm also happy to add that two folks have volunteered to be part of the effort. Thanks to Dave Deitrich (bigdave(a)cymru.com) and Steve Gill (gillsr(a)cymru.com) for the assistance! You can now track the bogons through HTTP, e-mail (here and elsewhere), DNS, RADb, and BGP. Feel free to use some or all of these options. They are all detailed in the Bogon Reference Page found here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/ Thanks to John Payne, Jared Mauch, Boyan Krosnov, Eddy Dreger, Hank Nussbacher, and Rafi Sadowsky for the feedback and ideas! Comments and feedback are always welcome. Help stamp out bogons and bogus ASNs! :) Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New nz.* newsgroup - nz.soc.maori
by Simon Lyall 28 Dec '02

28 Dec '02

[ Can you pass it onto your local usenet admin in case the group isn't created automaticly on your local server ] I've just created the new newgroup nz.soc.maori after a vote last week came out in favour of it being created. For your newsgroups file: nz.soc.maori Discussion of Maori related topics and issues. Also a little advanced notice that nz.org.isocnz will probably be removed in a week or two. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Bogus ASN tracking
by Rob Thomas 22 Dec '02

22 Dec '02

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] Bogon prefixes aren't the only bits of garbage one will find in the Internet routing table. There are also bogus (unallocated, reserved, and private) ASNs to be found therein. Please take a moment to check my Bogus ASN Report. I have recently enhanced it a bit to include the full path and better tracking. The report is updated hourly, and you will find it here: http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html Comments and feedback are always welcome! Thanks! Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: New Zealand found guilty of Reverse Domain Name Hijacking
by Frank March 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

No, it is not the reverse of newzealand.biz. Neither arbitrator ruled in favour of the New Zealand case. With newzealand.biz the reallocation occured by default (the respondent did not put up an argument). If you read the arbitrator's comments, it is clear that he did not support the NZ case at all. The newzealand.com decision is quite consistent with the other, if just a little more outspoken. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Leader [mailto:exe.dir(a)internetnz.net.nz] Sent: Friday, 20 December 2002 11:21 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: New Zealand found guilty of Reverse Domain Name Hijacking Hi Good grief - the reverse of the rather bizarre newzealand.biz ruling! It's really nice to have a *Uniform* Dispute Resolution Policy provided by ICANN, ne? At 14:21 19/12/2002, you wrote: >http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0754.html > >Thank you for playing. Feeling stupid yet? > Whoever has to tell Her Majesty may well be! ;-> - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog http://www.govt.nz - connecting you to New Zealand central & local government services Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New Zealand found guilty of Reverse Domain Name Hijacking
by Andy Gardner 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0754.html Thank you for playing. Feeling stupid yet? -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Various LoTR streaming feeds...
by Simon Blake 17 Dec '02

17 Dec '02

are coming out of 203.118.144.0/24 this afternoon. Unfortunately, IHUG may have some capacity issues out of Wellington (at least, we're currently spraying 80Mb/s into WIX, and there's only 5Mb going out IHUG's port :-(. Those on WIX peering with the route servers, if you could listen to 203.118.144.0/24 coming out of ASN9439, your users should get a more direct path to the cameras. www.wellingtonnz.com has links to the cameras, if you're interested. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Bogon announcement list
by Rob Thomas 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have received this post in other fora. ] At the behest of several requestors, we have created a new, one-way list solely for the announcement of new IP prefix allocations to the sundry RIRs. The posts will include the allocated prefix, allocation date, the RIR(s) involved, and pointers to the documents we (Steve Gill, Barry Greene, and Rob Thomas) update when such allocations are made. These announcements will be made as we detect such allocations. The list is moderated by Steve Gill, Barry Greene, Jared Mauch, and Rob Thomas. It is open to anyone who wishes to subscribe. Aliases are welcome to subscribe. To subscribe to the list, please visit the following URL: http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/bogon-announce A mini-FAQ: 1. Why form yet another list? I already receive enough e-mail. We share your pain. :) Such a list will help some folks to automagically process, filter, or file such announcements. 2. How do you know about new allocations from IANA to the RIRs? We have a cronjob that diffs the list on a daily basis. 3. How soon after the allocation is made will you announce it? In some cases our release will be coordinated with the RIR. In other cases it will be made as soon as we detect it. In all cases it will be made as quickly as possible. Please note that all of the monitoring and templates will be updated as soon as the allocation is detected. 4. What sort of message volume can I expect on the list? Messages will only be posted to the list when new allocations are made. 5. Does this mean you won't send these updates to several other lists? No. We will continue to send e-mail to a variety of lists when allocations are made. 6. Sheesh, where do you find the time for such things? Have you no social life? Nope, none at all. :) Thanks! Steve, Barry, Jared, Rob, your bogon-announce list administrators. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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illegal characters in DNS names ?
by Steve Phillips 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Has anyone else received a spam recently offering new domain names with "illegal" characters in the domain name ? apparently under the .bz TLD, try a host lookup on http://www.b&w.bz -- Steve Systems Admin, ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Updates - Ingress Prefix Filter Templates
by Barry Raveendran Greene 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

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Re: APNIC Training in New Zealand - 10 Dec 2002
by Simon Blake 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Hi Folks. First up, a big thank you to Miwa, Elly and Nurani for the excellent presentation this morning in Wellington - as an APNIC newbie, I found it really helpful. Likewise two thumbs up to Bill Woodcock for the thought provoking discussion in the afternoon on the mechanics and politics of peering - those of you who haven't had a chance to listen to Bill, I suggest you buttonhole him when he's in Auckland next week, if you feed him beer he's sure to regale you with his doughnut theory of peering failure :-). Lastly, an marvelous job of overcatering by the folks at Datacom - ta muchly! Best $100 seminar I've been to in a long, long time. Keeping this vaguely operational, Bill has started the INOC-DBA system http://www.pch.net/inoc-dba/ Simplistically, it means that you crank up a Cisco 7960 phone, configure it to use Bill's server, and you get dial-an-ASN - ring an ASN, and with any luck it'll ring on the desk of somebody who might have something sensible to say about the ASN you just rang: -- "One of the benefits of this network which is most frequently cited by its users is the fact that callers are pre-screened for clue. Calls cannot enter the network from the outside PSTN. We would like to maintain that high ratio of signal to noise in order to keep the utility of the network as high as possible for its users." -- It seems to me to be a great idea, and not just because Bill has slapped a 7960 down on my desk to try it out :-). Bill is installing the phone at Citylink tomorrow (Tuesday) morning - anybody else interested in testing this while Bill is in town, grab a phone and send ASN/IP/Contact/MAC details through ASAP. Cheers Si On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:22:03PM +1000, Champika Wijayatunga said: > > Dear APNIC Member, > > APNIC is pleased to announce that we are planning to have a training > course in New Zealand on 10 December 2002 on "Effective IP > Address Management: Asia-Pacific Policies and Procedures". > > The APNIC training courses are currently offered on a sponsored basis to > APNIC members and it is subsidised for them. But non-members are also > welcome and however, they are usually charged a slightly higher fee. > > Basically these charges are to recover our costs on a non-profit basis. > Previously this training course fee has ranged from 'No charge' to > USD75.00 (charged in local currency) depending on the location & the > sponsorships. Training materials, Lunch and refreshments will be provided. > > We would like to get the input from APNIC members regarding this training. > We greatly appreciate if you could answer the following few questions and > send it to us. Please note that this is NOT a registration form. This > information is considered for our evaluation purposes only. > > * Your name & e-mail id: > > * Your company / APNIC Account name: > > * Are you interested in attending this training? Yes/No > > * How many participants will attend from your organisation? > > * Would you like to assist us in sponsoring this training? Yes/No > If so in which way? (ex: providing a training venue, lunch & > refreshments for the participants etc.) > If you are interested in sponsorships please let us know, so that we > can update you about the sponsorship benefits. > > * Any suggestion for a location(city)/hotel? > > * Are you aware of any Internet related conference happening in New > Zealand during December 2002 ? > > * Other comments > > Thank you for your cooperation ! > > We look forward to hearing from you soon. > > Warmest Regards, > Champika. > _____________________________________________________________________ > Champika Wijayatunga, Training Manager <champika(a)apnic.net> > Asia Pacific Network Information Centre phone: +61 7 3858 3100 > http://www.apnic.net fax: +61 7 3858 3199 > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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