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Re: CUG
by Saby Singh 29 Jun '02

29 Jun '02

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Callplus Prefix List Update
by James Tyson 27 Jun '02

27 Jun '02

Hey folks. We've started advertising 202.49.34.0/24 & 202.49.35.0/24 Full prefix list as follows: ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 5 permit 192.100.53.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 10 permit 202.14.252.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 15 permit 202.27.48.0/21 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 20 permit 202.36.204.0/23 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 25 permit 202.36.244.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 30 permit 202.36.245.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 35 permit 202.37.129.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 40 permit 202.49.62.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 45 permit 202.49.82.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 50 permit 202.49.83.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 55 permit 202.49.152.0/21 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 60 permit 202.49.250.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 65 permit 202.50.60.0/22 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 70 permit 202.50.170.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 75 permit 202.154.128.0/19 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 80 permit 202.180.64.0/18 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 85 permit 202.180.116.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 90 permit 203.96.16.0/20 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 95 permit 203.96.48.0/20 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 100 permit 210.55.111.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 105 permit 210.55.158.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 110 permit 210.55.254.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 115 permit 202.36.204.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 120 permit 202.36.205.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 125 permit 202.50.109.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 130 permit 202.49.34.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 135 permit 202.49.35.0/24 -- Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/

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Christchurch Thursaday night curry.
by stephen.sheehan.2＠uni.massey.ac.nz 27 Jun '02

27 Jun '02

Would there be anybody interested in a christchurch version. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Beer!!!!!!
by Saby Singh 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

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Confused on Uniforum
by Simon Lyall 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

I've not been to one of these before so sorry if these are questions about the obvious, anyway I was supposed to write something out so maybe we could ask management to give us the time off work to attend and maybe pay for us. 1. What is Standard vs Economy vs Budget? I see different prices but no explanation of what the difference is other than mention of Lunch. 2. What do the workshops usually cover, what is their format etc? 3. Everyone has to pay $85 to become a member? 3. I see things like "discount around 20%" before the 30th if we miss out on the Early Bird prices, what is the actual price then if we miss out on the first 50 discount? 4. Actually how much does it cost if I only book for one day? I really need prices if we request money from management. Sorry but I couldn't find this stuff on the webpage, if I missed the URL please let me know. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ECN
by Juha Saarinen 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

Having once again fallen into the ECN-enabled-on-new-kernel-breaks-everything-trap, I was wondering if: a) ECN is actually useful; b) Eventually, everyone will upgrade their routers; c) There's a way to automagically fall back to non-ECN TCP, if you see what I mean, instead of having to manually disable/enable it each time. -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Openssh vulnerability
by Jeremy Brooking 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

Im sure most of you are all aware, but for those who aint... "A yet undisclosed vulnerability exists in OpenSSH. You are strongly encouraged to upgrade immediately to OpenSSH 3.3 with the UsePrivilegeSeparation option enabled." This should block the vulnerability, but will not fix it, upgrading to 3.4 as soon as its released is recommended. Jeremy - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IPnet problems?
by Simon Lyall 23 Jun '02

23 Jun '02

Anybody else having problems with ipnet dialup in 07 and 06 area (mainly 07) since mid last week? -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Apache vulnerability
by Steve Phillips 21 Jun '02

21 Jun '02

Just a note to all that don't know about this one - there are a LOT of still vulnerable servers out there, there have also been exploits published and in the wild for FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD and rumors of win32 exploits, linux exploits and solaris exploits, if you haven't upgraded your web server for the past 2 years, now is your chance :-) Also of note, some apps that come bundled with precompiled versions of apache's web server will need vendor supplied patches, you should all check with your vendors to find out what they are doing and what their upgrade paths will be. There is a scanner available from http://www.eeye.com that you can use :-) how accurate it is I'm not sure, but if its reporting is true then my alteon, a number of Apple based servers and a few M$ IIS/4.0 servers are also vulnerable to this bug :-) tho I think they may simply be bogus reports due to the way it checks for the vulnerability.. -- Steve. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update
by Craig Whitmore 20 Jun '02

20 Jun '02

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) at APE, please update your Filter Lists to: Add: 202.36.199.0/24 A Full prefix list is included as attachment. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.nzdsl.co.nz

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More Conference Speakers!!!!!
by Dean Pemberton 20 Jun '02

20 Jun '02

Last minute addition. Presentation by Simon Blake and Jonathan Martin of Citylink. Looks like a good bit of humour with a good bit of technology. Don't forget to register. Martin, Can you add this to the page and schedule. Thanks Dean -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Simon Blake <simon(a)citylink.co.nz> > To: dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz > Subject: NZNOG talk > Date: 21 Jun 2002 14:18:59 +1200 > > Topic: > > "Wacking the Moles" > > aka "is Citylink a crap network? Discuss..." > aka "How we built a 5 nines network from stuff we bought from Dick > Smith" > > Simon Blake and Jonathan Martin of Citylink will speak about the past, > present and future of Citylink. Discussion points could/will include > hardware (physical construction, power issues), topology, > administration, peering/APE/WIX, best practices for operators on > Citylink, building routers from Linux PC's, and anything else that > people ask us. Will probably contain some horror stories, there may be a > little finger pointing and telco mocking, but we'll try to keep it > seemly. > > Bio: > > Simon has been involved with Citylink more or less since it's inception > in 1996, as network administrator and lead mole wacker. Jonny has been with > Citylink for about a year doing network admin, hardware integration, and > VoIP development. Prior to joining Citylink he was with the broadband > development group at Telecom NZ. > > -- > > > That do? - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Conference Registrations
by Dean Pemberton 20 Jun '02

20 Jun '02

Ok people. It's time to fess up. If you are planning to go to the NZNOG Conference then please go to the following page and register. http://www.uniforum.org.nz/registration.cgi Incase you are still unsure of why you should go - here is a list reasons/highlights. 1) Paul Vixie. Yep we managed to get Paul Vixie to agree to come out. For those of you who have managed to get on this list without knowing who Paul Vixie is, then just think words like: DNS cron dhcp Book on Sendmail etc etc etc Paul is worth the asking price for the conference. And we have him doing an hour lecture and then a whole day workshop on Saturday. 2) Greg Shepherd. Greg is a Consulting Engineer for Juniper Networks, focusing primarily on multicast protocols, performance, customer solutions, and market drivers. Before joining Juniper, Greg worked in multicast development at Cisco Systems, and also presented the Advanced Multicast Routing tutorial for Cisco Networkers. Until recently he held a faculty position at the University of Oregon's Advanced Networking Technology Center, where he provided multicast direction to the Internet2 community. Greg also sits on the Board of Advisors for Digital Fountain. 3) David Moore David's research interests are high speed network monitoring, denial-of-service attacks and infrastructure security, and Internet traffic characterization. His current research includes tracking and quantifying global DoS attacks using the backscatter analysis technique, developed with Geoff Voelker and Stefan Savage of UCSD. Most recently, David has been applying some of the same measurement techniques using large address spaces to monitor several of this summer's large worms: CodeRed v1 and v2, CodeRed-II, and Nimda. 4) lots of other people. We've really pulled out the cast of thousands for this conference. It's going to be a great opportunity to listen to that people are doing. Topics include IPv6, VoIP, Wireless, DOS etc 5) Here is the guilt trip... If you support NZNOG and this conference then there is a good chance that it will keep going in years to come. If no one turns up then there will never be one again. So even if this conference is not you IDEAL nznog conference - then please consider attending the parts that do interest you. That way there will be one in the future for you to have input into. So SIGN UP. If there is a reason why you are not signing up then please email me and let me know. There may be something that I can do about it. And do not try and just ignore it. I'll be mailing people individually to hassle them into it as well =) Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Final Request for Submissions for '.maori.nz' Proposal
by Roger De Salis 19 Jun '02

19 Jun '02

Sue Leader wrote: > > Final Request for Submissions for '.maori.nz' Proposal > > At its June meeting the Council of InternetNZ unanimously approved > in principle the creation of a new second level domain (2LD) - > '.maori.nz'. > // Since the same request was posted to nznog, here is the technical proposal in all it's glory, as sent to the NOG // It is perhaps opportune for the members to consider whether they wish Internet NZ to sink into the political morass that the Telco's find themselves, and why excrutiatingly simple things take forever. And ultimately stuff costs a fortune to do because you are dealing with such an amazingly political machine. Or you can do the right thing, simply, quickly, without drama. Pick one. I'll even get the DNC's permission - howzzat.... I prefer, the simple, quick low cost procedure to expensive, time consuming one, but I am clearly out of step........ but may I'm wrong, or deluded.... Rgds Roger NOG proposal follows. =============================================================== Bizzarro...... /* formal on Formal implementation proposal: add .maori to existing DNS. (About 45secs) make minor change to to existing DNS thingy (it may be ugly, but at least it works reliably) perform push check .test.maori.nz points to x.x.x.x/y open for accepting .maori domain names (it is unmoderated...) $0 Time about 45 mins. /* formal off I can of course write this in Microsoft word, about 200 pages, get two different legal opinions from a variety of smartly dressed punters around town, consume staggering amounts of dosh/time and the end result will not look a whole lot different from the one above..... So vote for which one you prefer.... Roger De Salis > InternetNZ is now calling for formal submissions regarding the > implementation of '.maori.nz'. Submissions received by the Domain > Name Commissioner of InternetNZ will one of the aspects that > InternetNZ will use to determine if this application will receive final > approval. > > Anyone who is interested in sending a submission is encouraged to > read the application, which can be found at: > http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/maorinz.html > > Submissions from the previous stage of the approval process can be > found at: > http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/maorinz- > submissions/index.html > > Submission requirements > > Anyone can present a submission on this stage of the application. > Submissions documenting the author(s) opinions are encouraged > regarding any implementation issues in relation to this proposal. > Anyone who is interested in making submission is invited to review > the variety of solutions ICANN utilised when creating seven new > TLDs in late 2000 at http://www.icann.org/tlds/ > > Submissions are not restricted to individuals but can be from > companies, groups, notfor profits, etc. > > For a submission to be acceptable it must include the name of > theauthor and any person or group which they are representing. > Contactdetails also need to be provided which will need to include a > day-time contact number and postal address. > > Anonymous submissions will be disregarded.All submissions > received will be placed on the InternetNZ website.Contact details and > address will be removed but they will list theauthor(s) name (i.e. > similar to 'Letters to the Editor'). > > Where to send submissions > > Submissions can be sent to the Domain Name Commissioner, > Debbie Monahan, on 2ld(a)dnc.org.nz or can be posted to: > The Domain Name Commissioner > InternetNZ > Attention: maori.nz submission > PO Box 11881 > Wellington > > Please provide your submission in either ASCII (plain) text or HTML > format. > > Deadline > > The deadline for submissions is 5 pm on July 5th 2002. All > submissions can be accessed from the "What's Hot" area of the > website as they are placed online. > > Next steps > > The final decision will be made at the InternetNZ council meeting of > July 19th 2002 after a review of any submissions received by the > Domain Name Commissioner. > > 2LD application process > > For information on the policy and history of 2LD's please refer > to:http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/ > --- > > -- > Sue Leader - Executive Director > InternetNZ > Voice: +64-4-472-1600 Fax: +64-4-472-1207 > Level 4, Economous Building, 4 Bond Street (P.O.Box 11-881) Wellington > http://www.internetnz.net.nz > _______________________________________________ > members-announce mailing list > members-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz > http://listserver.internetnz.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/members-announce -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Final Request for Submissions for '.maori.nz' Proposal
by Sue Leader 19 Jun '02

19 Jun '02

Final Request for Submissions for '.maori.nz' Proposal At its June meeting the Council of InternetNZ unanimously approved in principle the creation of a new second level domain (2LD) - '.maori.nz'. InternetNZ is now calling for formal submissions regarding the implementation of '.maori.nz'. Submissions received by the Domain Name Commissioner of InternetNZ will one of the aspects that InternetNZ will use to determine if this application will receive final approval. Anyone who is interested in sending a submission is encouraged to read the application, which can be found at: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/maorinz.html Submissions from the previous stage of the approval process can be found at: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/maorinz- submissions/index.html Submission requirements Anyone can present a submission on this stage of the application. Submissions documenting the author(s) opinions are encouraged regarding any implementation issues in relation to this proposal. Anyone who is interested in making submission is invited to review the variety of solutions ICANN utilised when creating seven new TLDs in late 2000 at http://www.icann.org/tlds/ Submissions are not restricted to individuals but can be from companies, groups, notfor profits, etc. For a submission to be acceptable it must include the name of theauthor and any person or group which they are representing. Contactdetails also need to be provided which will need to include a day-time contact number and postal address. Anonymous submissions will be disregarded.All submissions received will be placed on the InternetNZ website.Contact details and address will be removed but they will list theauthor(s) name (i.e. similar to 'Letters to the Editor'). Where to send submissions Submissions can be sent to the Domain Name Commissioner, Debbie Monahan, on 2ld(a)dnc.org.nz or can be posted to: The Domain Name Commissioner InternetNZ Attention: maori.nz submission PO Box 11881 Wellington Please provide your submission in either ASCII (plain) text or HTML format. Deadline The deadline for submissions is 5 pm on July 5th 2002. All submissions can be accessed from the "What's Hot" area of the website as they are placed online. Next steps The final decision will be made at the InternetNZ council meeting of July 19th 2002 after a review of any submissions received by the Domain Name Commissioner. 2LD application process For information on the policy and history of 2LD's please refer to:http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/ --- -- Sue Leader - Executive Director InternetNZ Voice: +64-4-472-1600 Fax: +64-4-472-1207 Level 4, Economous Building, 4 Bond Street (P.O.Box 11-881) Wellington http://www.internetnz.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New network...
by James Tyson 19 Jun '02

19 Jun '02

Hi. We have added 202.50.109.0/24 to our advertisements today. Full prefix list attached. ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 5 permit 192.100.53.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 10 permit 202.14.252.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 15 permit 202.27.48.0/21 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 20 permit 202.36.204.0/23 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 25 permit 202.36.244.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 30 permit 202.36.245.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 35 permit 202.37.129.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 40 permit 202.49.62.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 45 permit 202.49.82.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 50 permit 202.49.83.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 55 permit 202.49.152.0/21 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 60 permit 202.49.250.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 65 permit 202.50.60.0/22 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 70 permit 202.50.170.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 75 permit 202.154.128.0/19 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 80 permit 202.180.64.0/18 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 85 permit 202.180.116.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 90 permit 203.96.16.0/20 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 95 permit 203.96.48.0/20 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 100 permit 210.55.111.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 105 permit 210.55.158.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 110 permit 210.55.254.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 115 permit 202.36.204.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 120 permit 202.36.205.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 125 permit 202.50.109.0/24 -- Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/

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XTRA smtp server and relaying.
by Steve Phillips 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

seeing as the xtra contact addresses seem unable to fix this issue, i decided to post here, may be OT, in that case, apologies :-) Xtra, why are you allowing relaying for our backbone IP ranges.. ? and while you are at it, why is it that you don't seem to respond to your abuse@ and security@ e-mail addresses ? if you have allowed relaying for our 202.14.100 netblock, then what other netblocks have you allowed relaying for that you don't own ? Anyone else wanna test this and see if Xtra relay for them as well ? :-) -- Steve. X-Persona: <Steve Corp> Return-Path: <steve(a)focb.iconz.co.nz> Delivered-To: steve(a)iconz.net Received: (qmail 14827 invoked by uid 505); 19 Jun 2002 00:14:51 +1200 Received: from steve(a)focb.iconz.co.nz by mail.internet.co.nz with qmail-scanner-1.03 (. Clean. Processed in 0.023202 secs); 18 Jun 2002 12:14:51 -0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (210.86.15.130) by 0 with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 00:14:51 +1200 Received: from fred ([202.14.100.208]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20020618121441.NWLW25388.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz(a)fred> for <steve(a)iconz.net>; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:14:41 +1200 Subject: test for relaying Message-Id: <20020618121441.NWLW25388.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz(a)fred> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:14:51 +1200 testy test - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Conference Registrations
by Dean Pemberton 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

That is a very good point. If people are concerned about this then please let Martin Kealey know. If this is a reason that you have not registered then please contact him He is in charge of the Uniforum registration process. I've CC'ed him on this email. Thanks On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 11:24, Mark McSweeny wrote: > Hi Dean, > > Should not the payment section of the registration be secured i.e. https/ssl > ? > Mummie told me not to buy online without the little padlock closed ? > > > Thanks > Mark - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG/UniForum NZ Conference Confirmed
by Donald Neal 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

The conference convenor has confirmed that we now have enough registrations for the conference to proceed. Or as my two-year-old son would say Tunderbirds are Doh! Registrations are now open at http://www.uniforum.org.nz/registration.cgi . Reduced rates apply to the first fifty registrations. A strong NZNOG paper programme is offered on the Thursday and Friday, with on Saturday a tutorial by Paul Vixie, original author of BIND. You can read a full programme - including papers and tutorials which aren't from NZNOG - on the web site. A "voucher" code has already been sent to all NZNOG subscribers entitling you to free drinks on Thursday night, courtesy of 2Day Internet Ltd. Remember to use that code when registering. Please contact me if you haven't received it. Overseas speakers appear in association with Cisco, Juniper and The University of Waikato. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Conference Registrations
by Donald Neal 16 Jun '02

16 Jun '02

-- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd >>> "Dean Pemberton" <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> 06/17/02 10:19 >>> >Ok people. It's time to fess up. >If you are planning to go to the NZNOG Conference then please go to the >following page and register. http://www.uniforum.org.nz/registration.cgi >Incase you are still unsure of why you should go - here is a list >reasons/highlights. Plus Dean Pemberton on IPv6!! - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG/UniForum NZ Conference - Registrations Now Open
by Donald Neal 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

Registrations are now open at http://www.uniforum.org.nz/registration.cgi for this year's conference. Subject to sufficient registrations, this will be held in Auckland from July 11th to 14th. A strong NZNOG programme is offered over the Thursday and Friday, with on Saturday a tutorial by Paul Vixie, original author of BIND. You can read a full programme on the web site. A "voucher" code has already been sent to all NZNOG subscribers entitling you to free drinks on Thursday night, courtesy of 2Day Internet Ltd. Remember to use that when registering. (Please contact me if you haven't received it.) The conference is now go *subject to sufficient registrations being received*. Reduced rates are available to the first fifty registrants. We do really need to see at least couple of dozen registrations in short order to ensure that all this does happen. Over to you. - Donald Neal (P.S. This is a good programme. Please register REAL SOON.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG bookings - erratum
by Martin D Kealey 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

The conference web pages suggest phoning 0508-733267 if you have any queries; unfortunately my cellphone is broken so that number may not get through. If you have any questions about booking, I can be reached on 09-3730400 extn 5117 during the day, or 09-6272063 in the evening/weekends. -Martin - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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passport.com
by Juha Saarinen 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Yeah, Microsoft does send out emails from passport.com with return addresses like PPMSVCMG(a)PASSPORT.COM even though there are no MX records for the domain. Just found a bunch of undeliverable bounces to passport.com stuck in a mail queue... -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: passport.com
by Simon Byrnand 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

At 13:42 13/06/02 +1200, David Robb wrote: >On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Juha Saarinen wrote: > >> Yeah, Microsoft does send out emails from passport.com with return >> addresses like PPMSVCMG(a)PASSPORT.COM even though there are no MX records >> for the domain. > >Unless RFC 974 has been superceeded : > > It is possible that the list of MXs in the response to the query will > be empty. This is a special case. If the list is empty, mailers > should treat it as if it contained one RR, an MX RR with a preference > value of 0, and a host name of REMOTE. (I.e., REMOTE is its only > MX). In addition, the mailer should do no further processing on the > list, but should attempt to deliver the message to REMOTE. The idea > here is that if a domain fails to advertise any information about a > particular name we will give it the benefit of the doubt and attempt > delivery. Quite true. The problem is that passport.com doesn't accept connections on port 25, so there is no valid server to accept the bounces that they're generating..... Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Dean's email addy?
by Andy Gardner 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

Sorry for the off-topic. Trying to email Dean Pemberton but the addres I have is bouncing. Could someone email me some other addresses to try. Semi-urgent. Thanks, -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT: Bandwidth/Connectivity in Matamata
by Mark Derricutt 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

'lo, off topic, but you lot would be the best to ask I'm guessing... what bandwidth/connectivity options are there in Matamata these days? Is it ADSLable yet? Walker wireless? Thinking of running another cybercafe out there at a music fest and wanting something better than the dialup we had to suffer last year, or the ISDN we had the year before... The bitcher is that the connection would only be for 3-4 days. Mark -- \m/ -- "...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood." (c) Dream Theater mark(a)talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios(a)myjabber.net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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passport.com
by thom hooker 10 Jun '02

10 Jun '02

does anybody else think it strange that microsoft's passport.com domain has no MX record? and the A record listed for it isn't listening on port 25? i've had mail queueing for it for the past few months (mainly bounces for invalid addresses) and as far as i can tell microsoft are unwilling to do anything about all the bounce mail they're generating (i mean, how hard can it be to add 2 lines to dns?) is anybody else seeing this? -- thom hooker p: 64 9 3555 279 xtra.co.nz f: 64 9 3555 260 unix systems support c: 64 21 523 521 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ IP's
by Steve Winter 07 Jun '02

07 Jun '02

Hi I often find the discussions here well beyond my level of understanding, but never the less interesting...I expect that this question may be rather trivial, but this is the only place I could think where I may get an answer... I am trying to discover how I might find out all the IP ranges which are used in New Zealand. My ultimate goal is to check users visiting a website to see if they are connected to the internet within New Zealand and redirect them to different pages accordingly, much like Google seems to be able to do these days, ie when I enter www.google.com, I end up at www.google.co.nz, and I'm assuming that this is done based on the IP address of the machine I'm on...??.. Can anyone point me in the right direction for a source of this information...or if I'm heading in the wrong direction to achieve my goal, enlighten me as to how Google manages this... Thanks for any suggestions Steve +----------------------------------------------+ Steve Winter, Assistant Director National Science-Technology Roadshow Trust P.O. Box 598, Wellington New Zealand Phone +64 27 434 1577 Fax +64 8 326 3263 http://www.roadshow.org +----------------------------------------------+ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZ IP's
by Thomas Salmen 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

> > > The hostnames of my home machine and my colocated machine > both end in .net > - but I still see google.co.nz, not google.com :) > I suppose most people who are plain old ISP customers will have .nz > hostnames, but there'll be others who dont... especially > anyone who has > their own domain name (we all know that .com's are generally > cheaper than > .nz's - I know a few of my clients have realised the same.) - and the > ability to get their own DNS set up. > I know that I've given the idea some thought in the past. For a service provider that differentiates billing based on traffics geographical source/destination (eg, in New Zealand, whether traffic is domestic or international), one would expect that reasonable care would be taken to ensure that any address databases or lists would be accurate and well-maintained. The only thing I can suggest as being nearly accurate or up-to-date enough would be periodic analysis of routing tables. For example: if a route is learned from a particular peer, that prefix must be located in a certain area. You'd need to be sure of certain things, though. You'd have to be peering both locally and outside the country, or buying transit from a peer that feeds international and domestic routes separately. Or you might have some luck persuading a peer to tag locally-learned routes with a given community. If you happened to peer via APE/WIX, you could assume that you'd only be learning NZ routes there. You'd also have to be prepared for the inevitable mistakes whenever a route leaks where it shouldn't. And if you didn't peer with anyone, you'd have even more problems :-) I don't think it would work very well if we didn't have so few pipes into New Zealand. But I imagine that Google would peer with enough providers in enough places to make a pretty accurate guess as to which country a host is located. Anyway. I know that some providers use Packeteer-type systems to differentiate between local and international traffic: perhaps they would be willing to comment how they make the distinction? (I don't know anything about them myself - I expect they judge based on which circuit a packet enters or leaves by and don't take much notice of the actual address of the remote host (?) - actual analysis of source/destination probably isn't necessary.) > > At 01:23 7/06/02 -0500, Andy Gardner wrote: > >At 5:52 PM +1200 6/7/02, Chris Hellberg wrote: > > > > >It will work most of the time, but those few who do have > .com reverse > > >lookups will fail. > > > >What NZ ISP's have named their dial-up hostnames as .com instead of > >*.nz ? > > > >I guess it's not as bad as the UK. > > -- Regards, Thomas Salmen Network Manager Radionet Ltd. 72 Paul Matthews Road Albany, Auckland, New Zealand Ph: +64 9 4140 300 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group[
by Donald Neal 06 Jun '02

06 Jun '02

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This posting, or one like it, is sent to all subscribers each month. NZNOG 2002 Work is now under way towards a conference and social gathering to be held in Auckland on 11, 12 and possibly 13 July 2002. Registrations should open Real Soon Now. If you wish to act a sponsor and have not already discussed this either with me or the Convenor, please contact me at this email address. My thanks to 2Day Internet Ltd, Cisco, Ericsson and Juniper. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 340 subscribers, increasing slightly each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (There's nowadays much more spam bounced than non-member postings.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Port 2017 TCP
by Denis Gordon 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

Juha, TCP 2000 + line_no provides reverse telnet to whatever is connected to that line on the 2500. So I would expect 2017 to connect to line 17. That's AUX on a 2511 - don't know about a 2503. regards Denis Gordon Network Administrator Information Systems Technical Support Dunedin City Council 50 The Octagon, PO Box 5045, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph: +64-3-474 3566 Fax: +64-3-474 3503 Mobile: 025 845 583 Email: denis(a)dcc.govt.nz WWW: http://www.CityOfDunedin.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2002 8:31am To: NZNOG Subject: Port 2017 TCP That port is listed in services as "cypress-stat" but does anyone know what's listening on it, on a 2503? -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Port 2017 TCP
by Juha Saarinen 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

That port is listed in services as "cypress-stat" but does anyone know what's listening on it, on a 2503? -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WIX/APE route servers (WARNING useful content)
by Dean Pemberton 04 Jun '02

04 Jun '02

Ok - Thought it was about time that the list had some more on-topic posts for the week. So I want to tackle the issue of the WIX and APE route servers. Any why some people just don't love them. First some background (excuse the lameness, but I thought I'd talk to a wider audience on the list while I was at it). If you want to ignore this then skip to the bottom where I get to the point (search for *THE POINT*) There are two route servers WIX and APE for the purpose of exchangeing a list of prefix's which are reacable locally via each of those networks. Network entities peer with these servers inorder to get local (wix/ape) nexthop information for prefix's rather than have to default route them through an upstream provider. Example: Company A and Company B both have a presence on Citylink in Wellington. They both have differernt upstream providers. Under normal routing conditions, the traffic between these companies would be routed to their upstream providers and delt with according to their routing/billing policy. It is possible however for Company A and Company B to route traffic directly to each other and thus bypass the upstream. Gaining all the speed and billing advantages along the way. This works well at the moment and there is no problem with this portion of the route servers. The issue comes from ISP's peering to the route servers. Most of the ISP's who have a presence on citylink also advertise routes to the route servers. This is great. It means that if I'm using ISP A for my upstream, I can pass traffic to ISP B's networks across Citylink . The majority of these ISP's however are not listening to any advertisments from the WIX/APE route servers. Which leads to the following situation. Company A uses ISP A as an upstream. Company A is learning prefix's for ISP B through the route server and will pass packets to them directly to ISP B. ISP B however is not listening to any advertisments from the route servers, and will pass all traffic BACK to Company A via ISP A. Thus negating the point of sending the traffic locally in the first place. *THE POINT* SO - I know a few of the reasons why ISP's are not listening to the routes from the servers, but I want to be able to understand them all. Some possible problems ("We don't think that they are safe enough") can be fixed. Other possible concerns ("We don't peer because we don't think we need to") can not. I want to see if it's worth pursueing this kind of network design. So I want to see how many problems fall into each of my catagories above. So if ISP's can send me the responses to: "What are the reasons that you are not listening to prefix's via the wix/ape route servers" I'd appreciate it (private email ok) If you are already listening to all the prefix's then keep the list noise down and stay quiet =) But I know who's not - so don't try and fool me. =) Here are some possible concerns/solutions that I prepared earlier. Might make your response easier C: "People are morons. There is no way that I'm letting little people like Company A inject BGP routes into my network. GOD it took me long enought to understand BGP I'm not trusting some snotty nosed small company administrator" S: Ok - first of all get back on the medication. Secondly - Simon Blake (the route server admin) assures me that he has been running full import and export filters on all peering sessions for the last 18 months. So there is no way that the small networks we are talking about can advertise anything that they have not cleared with Simon first. So in a sense you are not trusting every small company admin - you are trusting Simon. So make your judgement on that. C: "Piss off - I'm not providing domestic transit to other peoples customers. Are you mental" S: Well not last time I checked - but I have had a mountain bike accident since then. I'm not asking you to provide domestic transit for free. Just advertise the routes that you are happy to accept traffic for. for example - maybe you only advertise Wellington routes at WIX and Auckland routes at APE. You all have networks where you can tell the difference right? =) C: "I don't peer with anyone smaller than myself" S: Thats sad. I'm getting a network version of A Christmas Coral flashbacks =) Sure if thats your company policy then I'm not about to pass judgement on it. But if it were me - I'd want to get traffic out of my network as quick as possible. And passing it to a companies upstream is not always the best (read cheapest) way of doing that. Nuff said. C: "Peering is hard. Everytime you peer you add another level of complexity to the network" S: Sure. This is why Simon is also looking at automating the process using some route registry tools. If this is one of your concerns then make it known, but also keep in mind that it's in the pipes. And remember you only have one peer (the server) not all the different companies. Simon has already done one level of scrubbing for you. Pity him his job =) OK So mail me (private if you dont' want to do it to the list) your reasons for not loving the route servers. Even if all you have to say is "Didn't know about them" or "Far too busy" (don't lie though) Thanks Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: More Spam to All ISP's
by Steve Phillips 03 Jun '02

03 Jun '02

At 10:36 1/06/2002, Craig Whitmore wrote: >[snippage about spam] paradise customer, someone from paradise want to LART this person ? we have already asked for the domain aim.net.nz to be pulled by kudos.net.nz (our customer hosting the domain) http://aim.net.nz/pipermail/nzisps_aim.net.nz.mbox/nzisps_aim.net.nz.mbox :-) -- Steve. Systems Admin, ICONZ -- Steve Systems Admin, ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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aim.net.nz null routed until further notice
by David Fox 01 Jun '02

01 Jun '02

FYI Regards David Fox Network Engineer ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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More Spam to All ISP's
by Craig Whitmore 01 Jun '02

01 Jun '02

Hi all, If you didn't notice aim.net.nz just added all ISP's to their own little New Zealand ISP Mailing list.(I guess to spam about the new ".kiwi" domain name (alternative DNS system) (http://aim.net.nz/pipermail/nzisps_aim.net.nz/2002-May/000000.html) I suggest if you are on this spam list, to remove yourself with the password they just emailed all the email addresses. (sales@ and help@ all the ISP's in NZ) (See http://aim.net.nz/mailman/roster/nzisps_aim.net.nz ) Thanks Craig Whitmore - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Ape Cabinet ringing again
by Mark Foster 30 May '02

30 May '02

At 19:23 31/05/02 +1200, you wrote: >FYI Someone was trying to ring the APE cabinet at wround 12:30pm today >Hope it wasn't urgent 8) See we go the other way.. our phone in there doesnt have a working ringer.. just a light that flashes... ... Last time I was up there I was working with Mark and he said 'i'll ring you on the phone up there'. Course I Didnt know it wouldnt ring. I got distracted, happened to glance at it and see the light flashing. I still don't know how long he'd been letting it ring for... =P - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco Value added.
by Simon Lyall 30 May '02

30 May '02

I hope this is a joke. Nice to see where our money goes. http://www.theinquirer.net/29050203.htm PS: I sent this to the other list but it seems to be down. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Ape Cabinet
by Matt Camp 30 May '02

30 May '02

I'm in the tower right now, and the APE cabinet was just ringing. Was someone trying to contact it? (Via phone)? --- Matt Camp --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Attica/Callplus Prefix List Update
by James Tyson 30 May '02

30 May '02

Hi folks. Please be advised that we have added the following two networks: 202.36.244.0/24 202.36.245.0/25 Full prefix list is: ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 5 permit 192.100.53.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 10 permit 202.14.252.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 15 permit 202.27.48.0/21 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 20 permit 202.36.204.0/23 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 25 permit 202.36.244.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 30 permit 202.36.245.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 35 permit 202.37.129.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 40 permit 202.49.62.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 45 permit 202.49.82.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 50 permit 202.49.83.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 55 permit 202.49.152.0/21 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 60 permit 202.49.250.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 65 permit 202.50.60.0/22 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 70 permit 202.50.170.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 75 permit 202.154.128.0/19 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 80 permit 202.180.64.0/18 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 85 permit 202.180.113.16/28 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 90 permit 202.180.116.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 95 permit 203.96.16.0/20 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 100 permit 203.96.48.0/20 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 105 permit 210.55.111.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 110 permit 210.55.158.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 115 permit 210.55.254.0/24 -- Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/

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Re: Cisco Value added.
by Matthew G Brown 29 May '02

29 May '02

Not to mention the support and the channel the product takes to reach the customer. Upgrades and development of firmware costs money!. Go buy an RG-1000 and open it up . 486-sec, Lucent Winmodem, RealTek Ethernet chipset. 8mb Flash memory. Infact we installed BSD on one the other day and have it running a Linux router. We can even take the 11mb Silver card our and run a Cisco in it :) . Development costs money , Support costs money . Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LTD DDI: 027 4807731 Email: Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz " Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail is confidential, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it, or by anyone else is prohibited. Please delete this email if obtained in error and e-mail confirmation to the sender. > You're presumably paying for what the box can do, not a simple summation > of the cost of its components. If what the box can do does not justify > the price, don't buy it. This is not rocket science. > > > Joe > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Fwd: [Nzisps] Domain Names (fwd)
by Mark Foster 26 May '02

26 May '02

Anyone get this one this morning? Our helpdesk got a copy. General FYI otherwise. (I seem to recall this, or similar, was discussed here some time back.) Mark. >----------Forwarded message ---------- > >From: "Dominic O'Hare" <dominic.ohare(a)aimhosting.co.nz> >To: <nzisps(a)aim.net.nz> > > > >To the director of the Internet Service Provider,=20 > >=20 > >Australasian Internet Marketing In association with Technologies = >Integrated will next month release a new and exciting venture for all = >Kiwis'. The venture is a new innovative namespace for new top-level = >domain names specific to New Zealand surpassing ICANN (The Internet = >Corporation of Assigned Names & Numbers). > >=20 > >The scheme will work much the same as multi-lingual domain names are = >based; the name typed into the browser which then cloaks the real URL = >via you the isp or a plug-in downloaded from our website. The procedure = >is seamless unlike stealth forwarding, which is a frame-based process = >and is limited to cloaking normal web addresses eg. CJB.NET. The outcome = >is, when you type in a url with one of our new domain suffixes in the = >status bar content will load from the url you typed in.=20 > >Example, A user types in - http://www.yourname.kiwi=20 > >A graphic on the page loads, and shows up in the status bar as loading = >from - http://www.yourname.kiwi/welcome.jpg > >=20 > >This is exactly the same, as any normal TLD or ccTLD would load up in = >any browser. > >=20 > >This scheme has been tried, tested and successful in the United States = >by a company selling new domain names such as ".art" and ".church" named = >New.net, The company has made partnerships with large international ISPs = >like Tiscali (Europe) and Netzero (USA) to enable the domain names to = >users of the ISPs. The company has also made deals with large = >distribution software like Kazza to instantly install the companies = >plug-in to enable the new domain names if the users ISP have not enabled = >New.net domain names. New.net domain names now have a growing audience = >to their domain names of over 150 million people worldwide. > > > >New.net has a somewhat different plan of action than us, although they = >clearly show that the creation of new and non-ICANN domain names is = >easily possible and worthwhile.=20 > >=20 > >We are currently looking for partners in this venture, our site and = >network will go live on the 1st of June. If you are interested in = >partnership with us or would like more information, you may contact us = >by email at xtldsproject(a)aim.net.nz.=20 > >Kindest Regards, > >Dominic O'Hare > >=20 > >Managing Director=20 > >Australasian Internet Marketing (NZ) Limited. > >To the director of the Internet Service Provider, > > <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > >Australasian Internet Marketing In association with Technologies >Integrated will next month release a new and exciting venture for all >Kiwis. The venture is a new innovative namespace for new top-level domain >names specific to New Zealand surpassing ICANN (The Internet Corporation >of Assigned Names & Numbers). > > > >The scheme will work much the same as multi-lingual domain names are >based; the name typed into the browser which then cloaks the real URL via >you the isp or a plug-in downloaded from our website. The procedure is >seamless unlike stealth forwarding, which is a frame-based process and is >limited to cloaking normal web addresses eg. CJB.NET. The outcome is, when >you type in a url with one of our new domain suffixes in the status bar >content will load from the url you typed in. > >Example, A user types in http://www.yourname.kiwi > >A graphic on the page loads, and shows up in the status bar as loading >from http://www.yourname.kiwi/welcome.jpg > > > >This is exactly the same, as any normal TLD or ccTLD would load up in any >browser. > > > >This scheme has been tried, tested and successful in the United States by >a company selling new domain names such as .art and .church named >New.net, The company has made partnerships with large international ISPs >like Tiscali (Europe) and Netzero (USA) to enable the domain names to >users of the ISPs. The company has also made deals with large distribution >software like Kazza to instantly install the companies plug-in to enable >the new domain names if the users ISP have not enabled New.net domain >names. New.net domain names now have a growing audience to their domain >names of over 150 million people worldwide. > >New.net has a somewhat different plan of action than us, although they >clearly show that the creation of new and non-ICANN domain names is easily >possible and worthwhile. > > > >We are currently looking for partners in this venture, our site and >network will go live on the 1st of June. If you are interested in >partnership with us or would like more information, you may contact us by >email at <mailto:xtldsproject(a)aim.net.nz>xtldsproject(a)aim.net.nz. > >Kindest Regards, > >Dominic OHare > > > >Managing Director > >Australasian Internet Marketing (NZ) Limited. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Pay to be removed from block list?
by Juha Saarinen 26 May '02

26 May '02

Here's something that popped up on the Exim users list. Apparently, there's a new blocking list that charges US$25 to remove entries from its database: http://www.mailabusedatabase.com/ Thought it might be of minor interest to NZNOG... -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spam from inside qwest.net
by Mark Foster 25 May '02

25 May '02

Im being spammed from a netblock inside qwest... ive made three individual attempts to mail their abuse people and get nothing but their automated bounce message... Has anyone successfully dealt with spam or abuse inside qwest.net ? At this point im considering blocking the MTA concerned from connecting to my server, but then theyll just go to my backup MX (who doesnt want to impose the same restrictions that I am willing to.. *frustrated*. Mark. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Looking Glass.
by Simon Lyall 23 May '02

23 May '02

I have a little Looking Glass online at: http://www.usenet.net.nz/lg.cgi that people might be find useful. It's looking at what people are sending to ihug plus ihug's advertisements. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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quest.net.nz ?
by Simon Lyall 23 May '02

23 May '02

It's just been pointed out to me that these guys appear to have vanished. Anyone have some further details? I just need to know if I should remove them from the Noc and Ape webpages. Their phone numbers are all disconnected and the domains don't look very healthy either. Simon. -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Ihug Domestic peering prefix update (AS7657)
by Leon Chang 22 May '02

22 May '02

Please change the network 210.55.203.0/24 to 210.55.202.0/23 le 24 Full prefix list attached for your reference. ip prefix-list ihug-networks: 53 entries seq 5 permit 202.36.94.0/23 le 24 seq 10 permit 202.37.21.0/24 seq 25 permit 202.37.162.0/24 seq 30 permit 202.37.182.0/24 seq 40 permit 202.49.88.0/23 le 24 seq 45 permit 202.49.148.0/23 le 24 seq 50 permit 202.49.176.0/24 seq 55 permit 202.49.177.0/24 seq 60 permit 202.49.180.0/24 seq 65 permit 202.49.186.0/24 seq 70 permit 202.49.241.0/24 seq 75 permit 202.49.242.0/24 seq 80 permit 202.49.249.0/24 seq 85 permit 202.49.252.0/23 le 24 seq 90 permit 202.49.255.0/24 seq 95 permit 202.50.103.0/24 seq 100 permit 202.50.84.0/24 seq 105 permit 203.109.128.0/18 le 24 seq 109 deny 203.109.252.0/22 ge 23 seq 110 permit 203.109.192.0/19 le 24 seq 115 permit 203.109.224.0/19 le 24 seq 120 permit 203.173.192.0/19 seq 140 permit 203.96.125.0/24 seq 145 permit 203.173.224.0/20 seq 150 permit 206.17.112.0/21 le 24 seq 155 permit 206.18.96.0/20 le 24 seq 160 permit 207.17.104.0/21 le 24 seq 165 permit 207.212.238.0/23 le 24 seq 175 permit 207.213.218.0/24 seq 180 permit 207.214.12.0/23 le 24 seq 185 permit 207.214.7.0/24 seq 190 permit 209.232.124.0/23 le 24 seq 195 permit 209.233.54.0/23 le 24 seq 200 permit 209.233.56.0/22 le 24 seq 205 permit 209.76.100.0/22 le 24 seq 210 permit 209.76.148.0/22 le 24 seq 215 permit 209.77.128.0/22 le 24 seq 225 permit 209.78.48.0/24 seq 230 permit 209.79.136.0/24 seq 235 permit 209.79.139.0/24 seq 240 permit 209.79.142.0/24 seq 245 permit 210.55.184.0/24 seq 250 permit 210.55.202.0/23 le 24 seq 255 permit 210.55.248.0/24 seq 265 permit 210.55.251.0/24 seq 270 permit 210.55.252.0/24 seq 310 permit 202.50.255.0/24 seq 320 permit 202.37.44.0/24 seq 325 permit 203.173.244.0/22 seq 330 permit 203.173.204.0/23 seq 335 permit 202.49.252.0/22 seq 340 permit 202.49.180.0/23 seq 345 permit 202.49.181.0/24 Leon Chang, CCNP, CCDP Senior Network Engineer The Internet Group Ltd. (IHUG), Auckland, New Zealand AS7657 PH: +64 9 359 2710 --------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: WIX/APE route servers (WARNING useful content)
by Frank March 22 May '02

22 May '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Joerg Micheel [SMTP:joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 09:41 > To: Roger De Salis > Cc: Dean Pemberton; NZNOG List; k claffy; David Moore > Subject: Re: WIX/APE route servers (WARNING useful content) > > On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:24:59PM +1200, Roger De Salis wrote: > > APNIC quote several examples of poor policy within national > > communications framework where local traffic travels to the US > > backbone and back, due to local regualtions that make peering > > impossible. (India is a classic example.) > > We have backbone data from an OC48MON in San Jose which confirms > this kind of erratic routing for a number of countries in the > Asia Pacific. If you need more details, we should get CAIDA > involved in this discussion. > This discussion has a direct bearing on the matter of international Internet charging about which I have posted on a number of occasions. There is a widespread movement in intergovernmental organisations (APEC TEL, APT, ITU-T, ITU-D) attempting to first measure international traffic (nothing wrong with that), second assess who benefits (by some yet to be determined means), and then through some regulatory mechanism institute a 'fairer' cost sharing mechanism. There is no prize for essays outlining the numerous pitfalls in all of this. At the same time, there is some evidence that NZ is quite disadvantaged cf US operators by the present 'smallest ISP/carrier carries all the connnection costs' system. For example we have some very new survey results indicating that 18% of NZ firms with 50+ staff locate their web sites off shore (presumably, mainly in the US). Having better peering systems world-wide would not actually assist NZ much in this as we face the same problem with links to Australia and Asia as we do to the US. Nevertheless, saner peering would reduce costs overall and increase reliability, decrease latency, etc. I would very much appreciate anyone with information relating to influences on current traffic flows and especially regulatory effects, such as the regulatory system in India which prevents local peering, contacting me directly. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Xtra APE circuit down
by Peter Fitchett 22 May '02

22 May '02

FYI Xtra's APE circuit went down this morning at about 4.20am The fault is under action. regards peter - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RPSL on rs2.ape.net.nz - a request for help.
by Simon Blake 21 May '02

21 May '02

Hi Folks ASJL and I are working on RPSL on the second route server on APE, we're investigating ways of making the route servers better, stronger, more trustworthy, and easier to use for the ISP's out there. To that end, we need as many peers advertising routes into the route server as we can lay our grubby mitts on. So, a request please - if you're on APE, can you set up a peering session with 192.203.154.2 on ASN 9560, and drop me a line with your prefix list in it. At this stage, I'd recommend ignoring everything you receive from the route servers. Thanks muchly Si - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Red Alert - sharp increase port 1433 (MS SQL) scans
by Arjen De Landgraaf 21 May '02

21 May '02

For those who are interested, a rolling update on the 1433/SQL Snake outbreak is published in "Latest Security News" at www.e-secure-it.us The document Port 1433/SQL Snake Update(text)is updated whenever new details become available. Arjen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Red Alert - sharp increase port 1433 (MS SQL) scans
by Michael Bordignon 21 May '02

21 May '02

we've been getting alot of these too - 3 connections from each host, 21 so far (all today, between 11am and 4pm) - michael -----Original Message----- From: Arjen De Landgraaf [mailto:arjen.de.landgraaf(a)cologic.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2002 3:44 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Red Alert - sharp increase port 1433 (MS SQL) scans Importance: High We just issued a "Red Alert" on a rapid and sharp increase in port 1433 TCP probes. If you have MS SQL Server behind web services, you should monitor. Further information will be available shortly under newsitems at: www.e-secure-it.us www.e-secure-it.co.nz Arjen de Landgraaf E-Secure-IT - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Red Alert - sharp increase port 1433 (MS SQL) scans
by Arjen De Landgraaf 20 May '02

20 May '02

We just issued a "Red Alert" on a rapid and sharp increase in port 1433 TCP probes. If you have MS SQL Server behind web services, you should monitor. Further information will be available shortly under newsitems at: www.e-secure-it.us www.e-secure-it.co.nz Arjen de Landgraaf E-Secure-IT - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco 2610
by Leon Toh 19 May '02

19 May '02

Hi Folks, I'm looking for a Cisco 2610 to purchase. If anyone out there happen to have 1 and willing to part with it please drop me a line than (off the list). Best Regards, Leon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Resources
by James Tyson 19 May '02

19 May '02

Hey folks. I thought I would do a quick whip-around and ask if anyone knows of any recruitment companies, etc that specialise in our high-level expertise? Or is it always who you know and not what you know? -- Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/

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Forcing TTL expirey in bind
by Donovan Jones 15 May '02

15 May '02

Hi I'm a new subscriber to the list. I have a few questions I believe are appropriate for this list. On a non-authoritative nameserver running BIND is it possible (when sshed onto the server): 1. to view the current TTL on a cached record? 2. to force a cached record with some time still to run to expire, i.e. to re query the record. Using the nslookup or host commands is it possible to: query a nameserver to get the time till a cached name will be looked up host -t SOA domain.net returns the initial TTL, but not the time remaining Donovan Jones - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2002 Speakers - Updated Draft List
by Donald Neal 14 May '02

14 May '02

Here's the current draft list of NZNOG speakers for 11 and 12 July. Work is continuing on clarifying one or two other contributions. This looks to me like a strong two-day programme. 802.11a - Matthew G. Brown, B & R Holdings Distributed Denial of Service: The current state and counter measures - Juergen Brendel, Esphion Ltd IPv6 for Dummies (and not so Dummies) - Dean Pemberton, Juniper Networks (Aust.) Multicast Development - Greg Shephard, Juniper Networks (USA) Multicasting - an Introduction to the Technology and Applications - David Robb, Telecom NZ Multitenanted VoIP and the VoIP Market in New Zealand - Roger De Salis, Cisco Systems NLANR Active Measurement Project - Tony McGregor, The University of Waikato Providing Outsourced Network Security Solutions - Arron Scott, Cisco Systems Residential Ethernet-on-Fibre - Colin Goodwin, Ericsson NZ RPSL - Andy Linton, Lionra Strategies for Managing Denial of Service - Ian Quinn, Juniper Networks Tracking and Quantifying DDoS Attacks - David Moore, CAIDA (USA) Any substantial addition - and such an addition is possible - would mean that we'd need to go to a third day. If that were done, Thursday and Friday 11 and 12 July would remain the days for papers, with tutorial time on Saturday 13th. A registration announcement should follow shortly. - Donald Neal "MMS <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 05/13/02 10:52:50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Job Opening.
by Roger De Salis 13 May '02

13 May '02

Tired of the same-old same-old meetings. Bothered by 5 minutes of creative programming, and 168 hours of mindless meetings to explain a simple concept to a weird guy in a suit.... Here is your opportunity... Recommend your favourite telecom executive to the career opportunity of a lifetime, think about how the Monday morning meetings will look when everyone at the table has a Kalashnikov...... think about project overruns when the result is likely to be impacted by the arrival of B52's.... :-) /R Subject: Short term assignment: Afghanistan Ministry of Communications Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 02:07:34 +1000 (EST) Draft Terms of Reference, Adviser to Afghan Ministry for Communications I. Introduction Internews Network, through its leadership of the USAID-funded dot-GOV program, has been asked to identify and recruit an adviser to work directly with the Ministry of Communications, Government of Afghanistan. This position will be for three to six months. Additional work may be needed, depending upon the political and economic situation. The need to place an experienced individual with the Ministry to provide technical assistance to advise the Minister and his staff is acute. The adviser would receive additional support through the dot-GOV program in terms of specialized technical information needed to help the Minister and Ministry. Current situation. The infrastructure for telecommunications in Afghanistan is virtually nonexistent on a national basis. There are currently several thousand analog and Chinese supplied digital phones in Kabul. Kandahar and Herat have only a few thousand operating phones. There is great interest in the role of VSATs for network expansion. Additionally, there are high expectations for a new mobile cellular. There are plans to develop a microwave long distance network linking six major metropolitan hubs from which the network could be gradually expanded to villages and towns. Development needs. With the need for Afghans to rebuild infrastructure and restore a knowledge base in all sectors (health, agriculture, education, industry, finance and banking, the arts, trade), it is essential that Afghan citizens be provided with telecommunications access and the physical infrastructure for development of the Internet, radio and TV. Access to telephones and the Internet for women are critical factors for stimulating local markets and alternative educational and health services, and reintegrating, at their own pace, women back into public life. Afghans living in remote villages cut off by areas heavily infested with land mines need to know what is happening in various parts of the country and have the capacity for two-way communication. A functional and effective transparent telecommunications system is fundamental to rebuilding infrastructure in each sector of the economy and to discouraging consolidation of power over ICT technologies that limit the use and access to these by the average citizen. Market forces. Leaving aside security and military concerns, international telecommunication firms are currently trying to advise the Afghan government on which set of systems or alternative technologies to invest in and which systems and equipment to purchase. Without a strategic policy framework built by the Ministry staff and a related legislative framework for telecommunications, the Afghan government could find itself frozen into inappropriate technologies and bad system and vendor initial choices. Given the dire need for reconstruction and development of alternative small and medium sized economic activities it will not be possible for the Afghan government to achieve realistic economic development goals and rebuild civil society without an active and knowledgeable Ministry of Communications. II. Illustrative Tasks This individual will advise the Minister of Communications and his designates on developing a policy and regulatory environment needed to build on and evolve an operative telecommunications system in Afghanistan. Ideally the individual will have experience working in with the legal, technical, regulatory, and financial areas of telecommunications. However, what perhaps is equally important is an adviser who has experience working with governments in transition, with very poor physical infrastructure, a diverse and geographically and socially isolated population. Key to the success of this technical assistance assignment is the development of: 1. A clear strategic plan that the policy and technical staff of the Ministry can make operative through various steps (depending upon the political environment) that will address at the minimum: Licensing policy Spectrum management Interconnection management Consumer protection The need for a regulatory agency and role of regulation Internet issues 2. Intensive follow-on mentoring and advising the Afghans that have been supported by the US government for short-term training in the U.S., Afghanistan, and elsewhere. 3. Day-to-day assistance advising on the administrative and management plans for the Ministry. 4. Supporting the Ministry through active liaison with international aid agencies and UN organizations for the purpose of implementing a telecommunications infrastructure, and developing effective mechanisms for dealing with the private sector telecommunications industry. 5. Identify additional needs for technical assistance and training in telecommunications. 6. Any other tasks that will materially assist the Ministry with progress toward its goal of achieving a critical set of competencies in telecommunications management and regulation. III. Deliverables A set of concrete, realistic deliverables will be formalized within the first week of the assignment, related to the tasks illustrative tasks listed above. These will be agreed upon with the Minister of Communications, the USAID Mission, the dot-GOV CTO, and dot-GOV technical team. Please contact any of the following if you have possible candidates: 1. Dr. Sarah J. Tisch, dot-GOV Project Director 202-833-5740, ext. 203 stisch(a)internews.org 2. Dr. George Sadowsky, dot-GOV Senior Technical Adviser 202-415-1933 george.sadowsky(a)internews.org 3. Ms. Mariana Ovtcharova, dot-GOV Program Associate 202-833-5740, ext. 206 mariana(a)internews.org -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domain name spammers
by Simon Byrnand 12 May '02

12 May '02

Hi all, Just wondering if anyone else is getting spammed to death lately by a company calling themselves "Internic Online" http://www.interniconline.com trying to peddle "cheap" domain name registration. The fact that they're sending their junk through dozens of different open relays makes them hard to block, and I fail to see how any legitimate company would send "advertising" material through open relays.... Anyone ever tried to contact them and tell them to go away ? :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Connection problems to SMTP servers
by Tracy Briscoe 11 May '02

11 May '02

Ordinary I would not post to this list, but as I could not get any useful help out of the two ISPs help desks I called, I will go to those who actually can provide some help. One of our clients is running MDaemon version 2.8.5.0, and has it set up to do a DNS lookup, and send the mail to the appropriate SMTP server as indicated by the MX record. On Thursday we were notified that mail was not getting to Ihug or Tranz Rail. Upon investigating on Friday, I found that they could connect to zuul.ihug.co.nz (I Telneted into port 25 for this diagnosis), but the welcome message "220 mx1.ihug.co.nz ESMTP Exim 3.22 #1 Sat, 11 May 2002 21:29:37 +1200" took between 1 and 1.5 minutes to come up. Connections to mxtrlwn1.tranzrail.co.nz could be made, but I gave up waiting for the welcome message. Connections to other SMTP servers work fine. I have got around the problem by forwarding all their mail to their ISP's SMTP server for distribution, but would like to know what may have caused this so that it can be fixed properly. I have included any info that I thought might be useful below. Any help gratefully received. -Tracy Briscoe -Network Engineer -Patcom Ltd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Windows NT 4.00.1381 running as a proxy server, ie not as their fileserver Running: MDaemon version 2.8.5.0, netmaster 2.4.1, proxy 2 Connecting via ISDN to Xtra route print =========================================================================== Interface List 0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface 0x2 ...00 90 27 f7 1b 0d ...... Intel(R) PRO PCI Adapter 0x3 ...00 90 bc 01 48 0a ...... SkyMedia-200D Ethernet Adapter. 0x4 ...00 01 f0 ab d6 80 ...... NdisWan Adapter =========================================================================== =========================================================================== Active Routes: Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 210.54.227.49 210.54.227.49 1 100.100.100.0 255.255.255.0 100.100.100.100 100.100.100.100 2 100.100.100.100 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 100.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 100.100.100.100 100.100.100.100 1 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.11.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.11.2 192.168.11.2 2 192.168.11.2 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.11.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.11.2 192.168.11.2 1 210.54.227.0 255.255.255.0 210.54.227.49 210.54.227.49 1 210.54.227.49 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 100.100.100.100 100.100.100.100 1 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.11.2 192.168.11.2 1 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 210.54.227.49 210.54.227.49 1 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.11.2 192.168.11.2 1 =========================================================================== ipconfig Windows NT IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . : jdwnt2 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 202.27.184.5 202.27.184.3 Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . : IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No Ethernet adapter E100B1: Description . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO PCI Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-90-27-F7-1B-0D DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.11.2 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : Primary WINS Server . . . . : 192.168.11.1 Secondary WINS Server . . . : 192.168.11.2 Ethernet adapter sm200dtp4: Description . . . . . . . . : SkyMedia-200D Ethernet Adapter. Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-90-BC-01-48-0A DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 100.100.100.100 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : PPP adapter NdisWan5: Description . . . . . . . . : NdisWan Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-01-f0-ab-d6-80 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 210.54.227.49 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 210.54.227.49 traceroute Tracing route to zuul.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.10] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 63 ms 78 ms 78 ms 192.168.9.200 2 187 ms 110 ms 125 ms 192.168.9.3 3 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms 203.96.111.230 4 94 ms 94 ms 78 ms f0-0-0-1.IPNAK1-B3.xtra.co.nz [203.96.111.145] 5 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms ihug1.ape.net.nz [192.203.154.36] 6 79 ms 93 ms 94 ms mx2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.10] Trace complete. Tracing route to mxtrlwn1.tranzrail.co.nz [202.135.38.132] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 78 ms 78 ms 79 ms 192.168.9.200 2 219 ms 203 ms 110 ms 192.168.9.3 3 78 ms 63 ms 78 ms 203.96.111.230 4 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms f0-0-0-1.IPNAK1-B3.xtra.co.nz [203.96.111.145] 5 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms att.ape.net.nz [192.203.154.74] 6 93 ms 79 ms 78 ms auck1br1-fe-4-0-0.nz.prserv.net [152.158.255.222] 7 78 ms 94 ms 93 ms well1br1-0-0.we.nz.prserv.net [152.158.254.85] 8 125 ms 125 ms 109 ms nz-tranz.nz.prserv.net [152.158.254.73] 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 * * * Request timed out. 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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List of ADSL providers
by Dalibor Andzakovic 10 May '02

10 May '02

Hello, I'm trying to compile a complete list of nz's ADSL providers for an onlinan sale site. Can anyone point me to the one, or post one on this list? Tia dali - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2002 Speakers - Draft List
by Donald Neal 10 May '02

10 May '02

Here's the current draft list of speakers for the NZNOG gathering of 11 and 12 July 2002. Work is continuing (thanks, Dean) on clarifying the contributions of other speakers. Announcements of further speakers and of registration arrangements should follow shortly. - Donald Neal Papers ―---- 802.11a - Matthew G. Brown, B & R Holdings DDoS - Juergen Brendel, Esphion Ltd DoS - Ian Quinn, Juniper Networks IPv6 for Dummies - Dean Pemberton, Juniper Networks (Aust.) Multi-Tenanted VoIP and the VoIP market in New Zealand - Roger De Salis, Cisco Systems NLANR Active Measurement Project - Tony McGregor, The University of Waikato Tracking and Quantifying DoS Attacks - David Moore, CAIDA (USA) Voice over DSL - Colin Goodwin, Ericsson NZ Tutorial ―------ RPSL - Andy Linton, APNIC -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd "MMS <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 05/10/02 15:26:14 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: List of ADSL providers
by Zanetti David 09 May '02

09 May '02

Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 10:47:17AM +1200, Dalibor Andzakovic wrote: > > I'm trying to compile a complete list of nz's ADSL providers for an > > onlinan sale site. > > The Onlinans are lucky, as the list of generally-available DSL > providers is quite manageable: > > 1. Telecom New Zealand. > 2. Certain customers of Telecom New Zealand. Don't Clear do DSL over their own copper. Approximately of no useful availability, but that's beside the point. :) -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Security Engineer, New Zealand Post Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Carriers blocking IPSec...official policy?
by rob.edkins＠axon.co.nz 09 May '02

09 May '02

> We do IPSec VPNs on a weekly basis, and have never struck any > carrier in NZ blocking ESP traffic. > Nor had we until we did ;-) It's probably more accidental than intentional, like I say, 'catch all' rules that occaisonally bite. It's something to look out for though. We wasted a lot of time on debugging the first one. Rob -- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is CONFIDENTIAL and may be exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you read this message and are not the addressee you are notified that use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. You should scan this message and any attached files for viruses. Axon Computertime accepts no liability for any loss caused either directly or indirectly by a virus arising from the use of this message or any attached file. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Off-Topic : MainStream Internet Solutions Limited
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 08 May '02

08 May '02

This applies to clients/wholesalers of MainStream Internet Solutions Limited. This is to inform the people of this industry that Net4U Limited has formerly ceased all dealings with MainStream Internet Solutions Limited. Dialup Internet Accounts were terminated at 6pm on 8th May, 2002 and ADSL Accounts shall be terminated by 6pm on 9th May, 2002. The domain name "faster.net.nz" still remains property of "Francois Computer Systems Limited". Wholesalers are advised not to deal with the company for various reasons, if require any further information you are welcome to contact me off-list, if necessary. Regards, Sahil Gupta Net4U Limited - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Carriers blocking IPSec...official policy?
by rob.edkins＠axon.co.nz 08 May '02

08 May '02

Greetings folks, We have had several instances recently of problems with IPSec VPNs that turned out to be caused by ACL's at the ISP or carrier level blocking ESP traffic, or rather any IP traffic that isn't TCP, UDP, ICMP or routing stuff. There is no one particular network provider involved (one was offshore), and it doesn't seem to be a general practice, but we seem to be getting caught occaisonally by default "deny all IP" catch-all rules of the kind you stick at the bottom of the access list. Sometimes, it's only one interface in a particular direction. We've wasted a large amount of time and effort debugging and trying to get people to check their router configs for us, with varying degrees of co-operation. Has anyone else struck similar issues? Can anyone comment on whether this is a general 'no VPNs on our turf' policy, as one provider's help desk has (not terribly helpfully) suggested? Rgds, Rob Edkins Systems Consultant Axon Computertime email: rob.edkins(a)axon.co.nz -- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is CONFIDENTIAL and may be exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you read this message and are not the addressee you are notified that use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. You should scan this message and any attached files for viruses. Axon Computertime accepts no liability for any loss caused either directly or indirectly by a virus arising from the use of this message or any attached file. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Traffic Magnet At It Again
by Mark Foster 06 May '02

06 May '02

I got hit by Traffic Magnet again.. spamcrawlers are nasty. I noticed a coupla quirks... Firstly, when I traceroute to the IP concerned, clix are sending me to LA first.. whats up with that? :) Next... 26. 202.106.192.222 0% 38 38 418 415 438 469 27. GSR01-ToBTO-02.tynoc.bj.capitalnet 22% 30 38 420 409 442 496 28. RSM04-ToGSR01.TY.bj.capitalnet.com.cn 0% 38 38 441 433 481 542 29. 211.101.236.29 0% 38 38 417 417 438 466 Interesting hostname on hop 27 there.. :) I know this host has been discussed in the past, did anyone make any progress pursuing this? Im about to block capitalnet from connecting to my MTA... Mark. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mailwasher.
by Simon Lyall 06 May '02

06 May '02

Are other people having problems with customers using this program? It has a function for "bounce" spam which forges bounces from MAILER-DAEMON at the ISP's domain. I seem to only have a very small number of customers using it but the queues on my mail smtp servers are growing a bit with emails to bogus addresses waiting to time out (which is why there is a seperate server for bounces in the first place). I'm really worried that if use of the program takes off I'll have to re-resource ($$$) my mail servers to take account of a few 10,000s emails sitting in the outgoing queues or else the same customers will start blaming me for not delivering their emails in less than 10 seconds. I think the author is from New Zealand, anybody know them , an address where I can send a bill would be great. I also really object to the concept of the program forging email addresses on emails. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mailwasher.
by Darrin Cooke 06 May '02

06 May '02

-----Original Message----- From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] >Maybe the author of the program needs a friendly but firm whack with a clue >stick to remove the offending functions of the program. The last thing we >need is more undeliverable crap sitting in outbound queues. The spammers >themselves provide ample quantity there :) >Regards, >Simon I just dicovered that the Netguide magazine has half a page about mailwasher, They seem to be recommending it; "Mailwasher (insert URL here) analyses each email as is arrives and warns you if it is suspected junkmail or a virus. But not only does it let you delete unwanted emails before you download them, it also bounces them back so it looks like your email address is invalid." etc etc etc. They credit a "Christchurch businessman Nick Bolton" with the idea. <insert comments regarding LART'ing with large clue stick here> Cheers, Darrin - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mailwasher.
by Gordon Smith 06 May '02

06 May '02

Hi Simon, I had a couple of customers using it, until I informed them that technically they were breaching our AUP (forging headers). I don't care if they want to use it for filtering, but trying to bounce to domains with bogus MX pointers just causes me problems. Once they understood the issue, they were quite happy to just use the filtering functions. Cheers, Gordon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: FW: Walker Wireless attacking other ISPs?
by Steve Phillips 04 May '02

04 May '02

Sorry, this was supposed to hit the list Friday, but due to posting restrictions it never made it through :-) -- As the owner of this IP block, we were made aware of the issue, we requested that we be given until the end of the working day to obtain a response from the customer involved. We personally appreciate Gordon's restraint in agreeing not to post details on this until such time as the deadline was met or the formal response was obtained. Sadly, we did not manage to get a formal response to Gordon about this issue. The customer in question was null routed at the time, the block was removed pending comment from the customer but if this causes an issue for anyone else in the Internet community then please let us know and the null will be re-instated. Thanks, -- Steve. Systems Admin, ICONZ At 16:15 3/05/2002, Juha Saarinen wrote: >On 3 May 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote: > > > > > I REALLY hope that you made Walker Wireless aware of this before you > > posted it to the whole list. > >That would've spoilt the ensuing flame war though, wouldn't it? > >-- >Juha Saarinen > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog -- Steve Systems Admin, ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Walker Wireless attacking other ISPs?
by Gordon Smith 02 May '02

02 May '02

Hi all, Has anyone else been seeing mail1.walkerwireless.com attempting to break in to their border routers? Picked this up on a routine log audit. Although we actively block and log this sort of activity, others may not be aware of it. Of particular concern is the attempted use of the ILMI exploit, detailed at http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/976280 which has no legitimate reason to be seen. Attacking machine is running Checkpoint FW-1 mail server! Cheers, Gordon Smith CCNA Network Operations Manager MoreNet Ltd. Fingerprint: 4093 91BC 0055 46B9 1B1A EDBA 45AD 2381 7B1D E4BE Log extract (multiple occurrances of this): 04/23/2002 15:38.24 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:38.14 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "ILMI" 04/23/2002 15:38.14 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:38.02 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "DHdW7tr5nP" 04/23/2002 15:38.02 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:37.52 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "P8nD8l1n7" 04/23/2002 15:37.52 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:37.44 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "wd1h2dt2d" 04/23/2002 15:37.44 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:37.34 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "private" 04/23/2002 15:37.34 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:37.24 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "public" 04/23/2002 11:37.42 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 11:37.32 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "ILMI" 04/23/2002 11:37.32 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 11:37.18 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "DHdW7tr5nP" 04/23/2002 11:37.18 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 11:37.10 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "P8nD8l1n7" - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Walker Wireless attacking other ISPs?
by Richard Watson 02 May '02

02 May '02

We have noticed this and have taken action to stop these SNMP polls from reaching other ISPs. The polling of addresses blocks managed by other ISPs was purely accidental and should not happen again. Walker Wireless is more than willing to investigate incidents like this directly. If anyone has concerns about unusual activity orginating from anywhere in the Walker Wireless network please contact our Network Operations Centre on 0800-WWCARE or myself directly. Thank you, Richard Watson Network Infrastructure Engineer WALKER WIRELESS LIMITED Tel: +64 (9) 522 3674 Fax: +64 (9) 520 3447 Mob: +6427 286 6681 Email: rwatson(a)walkerwireless.com 0800 NO NETLAG Get high speed wireless internet and private network connectivity with Walker Wireless. Visit www.walkerwireless.com for information. The information in this electronic mail and its attachments is legally privileged and confidential. If the reader of this electronic mail and attachments is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination or reproduction of this electronic mail its contents and attachments is prohibited. This email is personal and may not reflect Walker Wireless', Walker Corporation's subsidiaries or affiliated companies' position. -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gordons(a)morenet.net.nz] Sent: Friday, 3 May 2002 4:09 p.m. To: Nznog Subject: FW: Walker Wireless attacking other ISPs? Hi all, Has anyone else been seeing mail1.walkerwireless.com attempting to break in to their border routers? Picked this up on a routine log audit. Although we actively block and log this sort of activity, others may not be aware of it. Of particular concern is the attempted use of the ILMI exploit, detailed at http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/976280 which has no legitimate reason to be seen. Attacking machine is running Checkpoint FW-1 mail server! Cheers, Gordon Smith CCNA Network Operations Manager MoreNet Ltd. Fingerprint: 4093 91BC 0055 46B9 1B1A EDBA 45AD 2381 7B1D E4BE Log extract (multiple occurrances of this): 04/23/2002 15:38.24 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:38.14 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "ILMI" 04/23/2002 15:38.14 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:38.02 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "DHdW7tr5nP" 04/23/2002 15:38.02 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:37.52 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "P8nD8l1n7" 04/23/2002 15:37.52 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:37.44 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "wd1h2dt2d" 04/23/2002 15:37.44 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:37.34 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "private" 04/23/2002 15:37.34 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 15:37.24 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "public" 04/23/2002 11:37.42 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 11:37.32 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "ILMI" 04/23/2002 11:37.32 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 11:37.18 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "DHdW7tr5nP" 04/23/2002 11:37.18 <WARN:SNMP> last message repeated 2 times 04/23/2002 11:37.10 <WARN:SNMP> SNMP request received from 210.54.139.178 with unknown community "P8nD8l1n7" - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This posting, or one like it, is sent to all subscribers each month, except those who work for the Ministry for Economic Development. NZNOG 2002 Work is now under way towards a conference and social gathering to be held in Auckland on 11 and 12 July 2002. Abstracts are sought _this week_ from prospective speakers, with the aim that a draft programme will appear not later than 8 May. If you wish to add your name as a possible presenter, please email nznog2002(a)deanpemberton.com without delay. If you wish to act a sponsor and have not already discussed this either with me or the Convenor, please contact me at this email address. My thanks to 2Day Internet Ltd, Cisco and Juniper. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 320 subscribers, a number which isn't changing much at present. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (There's nowadays more spam bounced than non-member postings.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. 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RE: dyndns
by Darrin Cooke 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

-----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Monday, 29 April 2002 1:49 p.m. >On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Jean-Francois Pirus wrote: >> >> Is there any publicly (& free) accessible dyndns server in NZ? >> (Ignoring dyndns.co.nz) >> >> I'd like to use a local one, and was thinking of setting one up, but >> there no point in reinventing the wheel. > http://www.comtek.co.nz/dyndns/ > Not free though. No, not free, but cheap enough to warrant looking at and the support seems to make it definatly worthwhile. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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dyndns
by Jean-Francois Pirus 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Is there any publicly (& free) accessible dyndns server in NZ? (Ignoring dyndns.co.nz) I'd like to use a local one, and was thinking of setting one up, but there no point in reinventing the wheel. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: What's the xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse@xtra)
by Mark Foster 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

No.. but I would like people to lose the sarcasm when its unnecessary :) At 12:24 29/04/02 +1200, Matt Camp wrote: >On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Mark Foster wrote: > > > (I got my Ihug account when I was 16 and barely knew what TCP/IP was. I > got > > my first DoS-incurred BSOD 6 days after I upgraded my DX40 from Win > 3.11 to > > Win95B - Thats a steep learning curve for someone who is NOT a natural > > talent. You gotta learn somehow, dont you?) > >Would you like a prize? > >Maybe a gold star sticker? - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: What's the xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse@xtra)
by Mark Foster 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Yup.. didnt help that Ihugs New Fandangled Transparent Proxies just 'suddenly' started ICMPing the crap out of me.. I seem to recall failing to get a straight answer out of Ihug Abuse untill id sent in at least 3 or 4 seperate (and loud) complaints. Ive run the abuse box for a couple of ISPs now Glen - so yes, ive learnt a bit since I stopped using Ihug for my internet access - but one thing I have learnt is not to ignore customers. A couple of decent, polite responses (which may or may not include things like "This is outside of our control, please do not report further abuse of this nature to us") work a lot well than a stoney silence, which used to originate from Ihug Abuse far too often. If you educate your customers theyre less likely to come back to you with the same issues. Ihug Abuse has improved somewhat over the last year or two, fortunately. :) Not bad, especially considering staff turnover. Mark. (I got my Ihug account when I was 16 and barely knew what TCP/IP was. I got my first DoS-incurred BSOD 6 days after I upgraded my DX40 from Win 3.11 to Win95B - Thats a steep learning curve for someone who is NOT a natural talent. You gotta learn somehow, dont you?) At 11:12 29/04/02 +1200, Glen Wilson wrote: >Most likely they closed it because of the amount of BlackIce logs people >thought were "hacking" attempts. > >I remember when I looked after an abuse mailbox and atleast 4 a week would >come from you Mark. > >Glen Wilson >Senior Engineer and Administrator >Network Operations Shift Supervisor >Ihug, Auckland, New Zealand > >On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Mark Foster wrote: > > > Thatd be unusual - My comms with them has always been that they have to > > wait for the log files to get parsed, which means the most recent entry is > > at least half a day old... > > > > Since when is admins@ a standard for abuse complaints anyway? :P > > > > abuse(a)xtra.co.nz would be the most appropriate address to use. (Im glad > > they reactivated it, whos bright idea was it to close that box?) > > > > > > At 10:43 29/04/02 +1200, Simon Lyall wrote: > > >On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Jean-Francois Pirus wrote: > > > > What's the current xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse(a)xtra) > > > > > > > > admins(a)team.xtra.co.nz just bounces. > > > > > >abuse(a)xtra.co.nz works okay. > > > > > >I just sent them a complaint regarding a customer of theirs spamming and > > >they replied back to be saying the customer had been delt with within > > >about 30 minutes. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > > >Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > > >ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: > http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > >where the body of your message reads: > > >unsubscribe nznog > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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What's the xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse@xtra)
by Jean-Francois Pirus 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

What's the current xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse(a)xtra) admins(a)team.xtra.co.nz just bounces. Thanks. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: What's the xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse@xtra)
by Mark Foster 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Thatd be unusual - My comms with them has always been that they have to wait for the log files to get parsed, which means the most recent entry is at least half a day old... Since when is admins@ a standard for abuse complaints anyway? :P abuse(a)xtra.co.nz would be the most appropriate address to use. (Im glad they reactivated it, whos bright idea was it to close that box?) At 10:43 29/04/02 +1200, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Jean-Francois Pirus wrote: > > What's the current xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse(a)xtra) > > > > admins(a)team.xtra.co.nz just bounces. > >abuse(a)xtra.co.nz works okay. > >I just sent them a complaint regarding a customer of theirs spamming and >they replied back to be saying the customer had been delt with within >about 30 minutes. > > >-- >Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz >Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz >ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Internet Name Protection Pty Ltd
by bob＠brockhurst.co.nz 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

As many of you will be aware there seems to be another bulk snail mail from one Internet Name Protection Pty Ltd to .co.nz name holders offering to register hitherto unregistered names. Such names can be simply registered by them for $NZ125pa ! Oddly the name holder for (internetnameprotection.co.nz) seems to be the Internet Name Group (ING) of St Kilda. ING remain suspended as a Domainz .nz provider. Derek Locke (CEO of Domainz) will be issuing a press statement (hopefully later today) discouraging people from sending ING money or having anything to do with them and I would ask you to give your customers a similar message. Domainz will be urgently investigating what other steps can be taken. Robert Gray Chair, Domainz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WTB : Cisco Routers
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Hello there, Just wondering if anybody on the list is wanting to get rid of any Cisco 2620 or 3652 Routers? Please let me know. Cheers, Sahil - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Way OT: Employment anyone?
by Jim Mann 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Hi all, I do apologies for this way off topic post. If it's considered a massive no-no then maybe 'employment solicitation' could be explicitly included in the list of unacceptable postings! I'm hoping that by posting to people at the coal face I'll get more response than some of the agencies I've been in touch with! Very briefly then: I have: - just got here from the UK & live in Auckland. - worked for 7 years at a University Computer Centre where I: - built/managed WAN to connect 1300 schools in 2 counties, and a - MAN to connect all Universities in the region to the NREN, - Oh yes, the University LAN. - had to sell the 'Internet' to some IT Managers/Principles! (even AFTER a FREE connection!) I have not got: - Asbestos underpants, - any vendor qualifications ( I consider this an asset!) [I do have a degree though] If you know of any current or forthcoming opportunity in the ISP/Carrier area can you let me know? Or anything else in datacomms for that matter! Can I be useful to you? Thank you for your time. Jim. Jim Mann "If you don't ask - you don't get!" CV from www.lancs.ac.uk/~mannje - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Information on Australian telecommunication outages
by Arjen De Landgraaf 20 Apr '02

20 Apr '02

E-Secure-IT has made a calendar of Australian Telecommunication outages available on their website. Access is free. It gives a monthly/daily overview, ongoingly updated, of most planned and unplanned outages in Australia. In addition it gives a very complete and comprehensive update on all global IT security news. Good site to bookmark if you want to know what is happening with your links. Have a look at www.e-secure-it.co.nz Any comments, thoughts on improvements etc. welcome!! Arjen de Landgraaf Co-Logic Security Ltd E-Secure-IT Auckland, New Zealand arjen(a)cologic.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [OT?] The great African internet robbery
by Frank March 20 Apr '02

20 Apr '02

This is an arguement of long standing. In APEC it is known as 'international Internet charging arrangements for services' or ICAIS and in ITU-T as Recommendation D(iii). Precisely the same phenomenon applies to New Zealand and until relatively recently to the whole world, including Europe. Europe now has 'in house' Internet exchanges and a growing volume of indigenous content so that there is less and less reliance on Internet US-centricity. Asia is slowly evolving the same way. Arguments around this matter have been rehearsed on this list previously, when I asked for comment on a New Zealand position to take to the APEC TEL Working Group about two years ago (and received very helpful feedback). My (v. concise) summary of the New Zealand Government position on this matter is as follows: "Noting that NZ has the highest percent of GDP expenditure on telecommunications world-wide (OECD, 2000): we recognise that there is a net economic cost to NZ arising from current charging arrangements, nevertheless, this is not having a perceptible dampening effect on Internet development and use in NZ. Relevant industry opinion in NZ is that there should be no government action taken with respect to the current arrangements." Incidentally, the lack of perceptable effect on Internet development applies throughout Asia as well, in my view. I would love to see a realistic break down of comparative costs to ISPs and to their customers internationally ... I would bet that 90% of end user costs are due to domestic tariff rates and policies.There is now a considerable pile of international policy papers on this matter in the ITU and APEC TEL as well as a number of other international fora. They can be summarised as saying 'no or very little effect, dont regulate' or 'disaster, discrimination, growing digital divide, its not fair, regulate'. Logic argues that there is nothing that can or should be done about it through regulation that would be effective but that does not seem to be having much influence on the international debate. I would be happy to receive (off list) any comments members might want to make on what the NZ Government position should be and I will provide further information on the international debate on request. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Wedgwood [SMTP:cw(a)f00f.org] > Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2002 13:16 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [OT?] The great African internet robbery > > The same argument presumably applies to New Zealand (and Australia) > here. > > What the article fails to mention is there seems to be more interest > on the whole for New Zealanders to access U.S. based content than for > U.S. based users to access New Zealand based content. > > I would guess, if the option were available for parity here, that many > people in the U.S. would simple choose to ignore (cut off) NZ > completely if they had to share an equal part of the cost burden > (remember in a fair world whis would be circuits to Asia, Africa, the > Middle East and Europe), however, I have to wonder what the > incremental cost to the average U.S. based user would be of U.S. based > carriers and suppliers did take half of the cost and could > redistribute the burden over other transit and peer links. > > > > --cw > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1931000/1931120.stm > > [...] > > According to Kenya's Internet Service Providers (ISP) > Association, the continent is being forced by Western > companies to pay the full cost of connecting to worldwide > networks. > > [...] > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Gigabit Ethernet Networks
by Keith Davidson 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

I'd be interested in hearing, off list, from any techies re experiences of upgrading Cat5 ethernet using Gigabit NICs and switches - what sort of real network speed is achievable and what is good equipment to use... Any help appreciated. Thanks Keith Davidson - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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bgp-speaking routing folk at actrix, attica?
by Joe Abley 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

If there's a routing person who feels like helping me out with an annoying problem at Actrix or Attica out there, could you drop me a line? Off-list would be fine. Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Computer World Expo
by Tim John 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Is there a website for this ? Tim :-----Original Message----- :From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] :Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 11:35 :To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :Subject: Computer World Expo : : :Anyone going to be in Auck for computer world expo . ? : :If anyone wants to catch up let me know . Ill be avail Thurs, Fri, Sat :nights for copious amounts of beer. : :Best Regards : :Matthew G Brown :B & R Holdings LTD :" Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " :http://www.backupserver.co.nz :http://www.brh.co.nz : :- :To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :where the body of your message reads: :unsubscribe nznog : - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Computer World Expo
by Tim John 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Ummm .. good point ! My excuse, it's Friday :p Cheers, Tim :-----Original Message----- :From: Mark Foster [mailto:blakjak(a)blakjak.net] :Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 13:35 :To: Tim John :Subject: Re: Computer World Expo : : :Dont suppose you tried 'computerworldexpo.co.nz' ? :) : :Its also linked on the IDG site. : :I will be there for at least one day, most likely all three. : :Mark. : : : :At 13:24 19/04/02 +1200, you wrote: :>Is there a website for this ? :> :>Tim :> :> :>:-----Original Message----- :>:From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] :>:Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 11:35 :>:To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :>:Subject: Computer World Expo :>: :>: :>:Anyone going to be in Auck for computer world expo . ? :>: :>:If anyone wants to catch up let me know . Ill be avail :Thurs, Fri, Sat :>:nights for copious amounts of beer. :>: :>:Best Regards :>: :>:Matthew G Brown :>:B & R Holdings LTD :>:" Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " :>:http://www.backupserver.co.nz :>:http://www.brh.co.nz :>: :>:- :>:To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :>:where the body of your message reads: :>:unsubscribe nznog :>: :>- :>To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :>where the body of your message reads: :>unsubscribe nznog : - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Computer World Expo
by Matthew G Brown 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Anyone going to be in Auck for computer world expo . ? If anyone wants to catch up let me know . Ill be avail Thurs, Fri, Sat nights for copious amounts of beer. Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LTD " Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Pacbell and mail
by Steve Phillips 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

Anyone else having issues sending e-mail to pacbell ? it seems they have (from first glance) blacklisted all of 210.0.0.0/8 :-) -- Steve Systems Admin, ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Off Topic Job Scrounge
by J S Russell 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

This IS off topic, but has been done before (Hi James and Matt!) so please indulge me. :) I find myself having been made redundant from Callplus, with nothing else immediately lined up as alternate employment. If any of my fellow nznog denizens have any kind of position suitable for an experienced tech/tech-manager, please let me know about it - my mortgage must be fed. Salary is fairly unimportant, as long as there is some. Hours are also fairly unimportant, as is location (though it'll have to be Auckland). Part-time is fine, too. Weekends also fine. I come complete with an optional terabyte or so of disk, packed to the gills with TV shows, and bolted to a high-spec server. This _may_ accompany me to a new gig, if that gig finds it acceptable to have such a thing on their network, but it's 100% optional. Please feel free to e-mail me if there's anything going at your company which I can assist with. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Fun will now commence. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[OT?] The great African internet robbery
by Chris Wedgwood 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

The same argument presumably applies to New Zealand (and Australia) here. What the article fails to mention is there seems to be more interest on the whole for New Zealanders to access U.S. based content than for U.S. based users to access New Zealand based content. I would guess, if the option were available for parity here, that many people in the U.S. would simple choose to ignore (cut off) NZ completely if they had to share an equal part of the cost burden (remember in a fair world whis would be circuits to Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Europe), however, I have to wonder what the incremental cost to the average U.S. based user would be of U.S. based carriers and suppliers did take half of the cost and could redistribute the burden over other transit and peer links. --cw http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1931000/1931120.stm [...] According to Kenya's Internet Service Providers (ISP) Association, the continent is being forced by Western companies to pay the full cost of connecting to worldwide networks. [...] - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Tower Access ChCh
by Matthew G Brown 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

I need a tranmission site for 2.4ghz & 5.8ghz over looking CBD of ChCh. If anyone has an idle site can they hit me off list. Will do Co-Op if interested. Also lost a Spec Analyser in auck cbd. If anyone hears of one being found on the streets let me know . Or keep it , its insured :) Sorry, little OT :) Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LTD " Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix Lists Update (Again)
by Craig Whitmore 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Hi.. For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) please update your Filter Lists to: Remove: 202.27.188.0/25 Add: 202.27.188.128/25 For those who ignore anything advertised smaller than a /24 please ignore this. A Full prefix list is included as attachment. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Re: Maybe OT: Traffic Magnet: Spam or what?
by Simon Byrnand 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

At 07:29 12/04/02 +1200, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Eon wrote: >2. 95% of the time the spamming address is bogus or stolen so it just ends >up stuck in the mail queues (with postmaster getting the bounces and >warning messages) or flooding some innocent party. Amen :( Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Maybe OT: Traffic Magnet: Spam or what?
by Craig Whitmore 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

People most likely have come across this in the past, but HOW to you get off "TrafficMagnet" stupid lists?? I have a number of web sites, and I get about 2-3 Emails from them per week from "Christine Hall " which is very anoying. Each time for the last 6 months I have emailed them back saying "remove me please, I am not interested in your service" , but I still keep getting them. Do you think a Physical Registered Letter Send to them in the mail from a Lawyer asking them to stop work? Has anyone else had trouble with this "Company" in the past. PS: I know I can just make a procmail/outlook express rule to delete them, but I don't want to get them in the first place. Thanks Craig Whitmore - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Maybe OT: Traffic Magnet: Spam or what?
by Michael Bordignon 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

yeah, i get spammed by her regulary too.. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Whitmore [mailto:lennon(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 9:03 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Maybe OT: Traffic Magnet: Spam or what? Has anyone else had trouble with this "Company" in the past. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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HitWise
by Steve Phillips 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

Hi, This word is starting to circulate about our office and I was wondering if anyone else had any experience with this crowd, at first look it seems like some dogey marketing rubbish that I should not let anywhere near our network here, but because they promise you money and apparently take "nothing confidential" management are viewing it through eyes painted with pretty wee dollar signs.. http://www.hitwise.com/ is their website.. comments/suggestions ? (note, allowing anyone access to our proxy logs without a search warrant grates at me already and will be one argument against this that I will be raising as an issue..) -- Steve. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: HitWise
by Donald Neal 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

Anonymised proxy cache logs have been passed around for research purposes for many years. No identification of users, no problem. - Donald Neal >On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Steve Phillips wrote: > >> (note, allowing anyone access to our proxy logs without a search >> warrant grates at me already and will be one argument against this that >> I will be raising as an issue..) > >Doesn't the Privacy Act ban that sort of user tracking? > >-- >Juha Saarinen > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > -- Ihug Network Operations Centre, Phone: +64 9 359 2708 Auckland, New Zealand. Email: noc(a)ihug.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: HitWise
by Bob Baal 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

I ran the Hitwise system at CLEARNet for several years. The system seemed to work quite well. The initial work over the logs is done on your site by a program that Hitwise provide. The output of the program is a text file that you can inspect. The format is quite simple and there are no userid's in the file just site info. So there is no privacy concerns that I can see as its not possible to identify a particular users surfing pattern. The marketing bodies seemed to be happy with the reports that they got for free. We only stopped using the system because marketing decided they preferred another crowd. However after turning off hitwise they found out the the new crowd wanted to charge us an arm and a leg for the info Hitwise had given us for free so that deal fell through and now nobody uses the CLEAR Net logs anymore........... If would have been a good idea to find that out before tuning Hitwise off d'oh........ Regards Bob At 23:49 10/04/2002 +1200, Steve Phillips wrote: >Hi, > >This word is starting to circulate about our office and I was wondering if >anyone else had any experience with this crowd, at first look it seems >like some dogey marketing rubbish that I should not let anywhere near our >network here, but because they promise you money and apparently take >"nothing confidential" management are viewing it through eyes painted with >pretty wee dollar signs.. > >http://www.hitwise.com/ is their website.. > >comments/suggestions ? > >(note, allowing anyone access to our proxy logs without a search warrant >grates at me already and will be one argument against this that I will be >raising as an issue..) > > >-- >Steve. > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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maggie.automagic.org
by Joe Abley 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

The NZ-only BGP stats being collected on maggie.automagic.org have turned out to be less than entirely reliable, mainly due to the fact that I never came up with a good and consistent heuristic for determining whether a route corresponded to infrastructure which is in New Zealand or not. ASes which extend between countries, new transit and peering arrangements between NZ operators and those overseas, and peculiar redistribution loops and other leaks all conspired to pollute most of the data to the extent that it's not really good for much, as far as I can tell. What might be better would be to avoid the geopolitical distinction altogether, and just accept as much of a full table from everybody as possible, with open access for people who want to troubleshoot or collect the data for research, à la route-views.oregon-ix.net. Unfortunately maggie is a 45MHz SPARC Classic, maxed out with 96MB of RAM, and exposing her to the trauma of even one view of the full table would likely cause her extreme discomfort. If someone else feels like donating a router to the cause, to be used for such a purpose, I think that would be a Good Thing to have, but maggie is not that router. So, if anybody is going to be upset if the data currently published from maggie.automagic.org goes away, or stops being current, could they drop me a line off-list? Thanks, Joe [tangent: http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/343E49013F5EBA2DCC256B9500189EB1!ope… 'When Debbie Monahan takes up her duties in mid-May the country will, for the first time, "have a person solely focused on the internet and making it work in New Zealand", says InternetNZ vice-president Rick Shera.' Maybe someone should tell Rick that making the internet work in New Zealand has precisely nothing whatsoever to do with the nz TLD. I would have been more encouraged by a statement which says "we expect the new Domain name commissioner to be a registrant-funded scapegoat for the continuing disappointment experienced by Domainz customers, and to be a focus point to pull all the ICANN-obsessed hot-air generators into small, poorly-ventilated rooms where they can be dispatched cleanly and efficiently using poison gas"] - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group - Email Address Correction
by Donald Neal 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

NZNOG 2002 Work is now under way towards a conference and social gathering to be held in Auckland in July 2002. Abstracts are _now_ sought from prospective speakers, with the aim that a draft timetable will appear shortly. If you wish to add your name as a possible presenter, please email nznog2002(a)pemberton.com without delay. Sorry about the earlier typo. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco 2511 misc
by Matthew G Brown 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

We just got left a spare 2511 router from a wireless POP upgrade. Its useless to me . Anyone know were we can dump these things. 35xx are all that are any good to me. Sorry for the slight OT. Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. NZNOG 2002 Work is now under way towards a conference and social gathering to be held in Auckland in July 2002. Abstracts are _now_ sought from prospective speakers, with the aim that a draft timetable will appear shortly. If you wish to add your name as a possible presenter, please email nznog2002(a)permberton.com without delay. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 320 subscribers, a number which isn't changing much at present. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix Lists Update..
by Craig Whitmore 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Hi.. For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS 17746) at APE please update your Filter Lists to add the following network. ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 219.88.240.0/20 le 24 Peering IP's : 192.203.154.66 AND 192.203.154.67 AS: 17746 A Full prefix list is included as attachment. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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VERY OT: Compaq Retailers in NZ?
by Malcolm Lockyer 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Anybody know of good compaq retailers in NZ - I'm looking for a possible purchase of Compaq 1U rackmount servers new (or if anybody has any second hand in good condition). Also - anybody know of any good Cisco retailers - I'm more interested in the prices of the gear new - than actually buying the stuff at the moment - so I can plan :D. Best regards, Malcolm Lockyer -- owner/founder/managing director -= Neuron Net =- You're on the net! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Spam on the increase again
by Simon Byrnand 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

At 14:00 11/03/02 +1300, Richard Parry wrote: >Yep, I've definitely noticed it :) It got me annoyed enough to turn >Postfix into a mail rejecter :) Here's what I've stuck in >/etc/postfix/main.cf: >[snip] >Note that you need permit_mynetworks under the helo restrictions so that >you still accept email from Outlook Express clients and the like (if >this is your SMTP gateway for ISP customers) - OE will not present a >FQDN for itself regardless of operating system (I believe it presents >the NBT name). I think you'll find just about all end user email software does this. >I'd be curious to know what sorts of policies ISPs have within NZ, and >why. Before I put in my filters, most of my mail was spam - and this >just isn't right :) Apart from the UCE recieved recently (I too got the >"DHS Clubshop" mail) from within NZ, our local networks are really >quiet. I've been trialing orbz and ordb in the last couple of months (not related to orbs) and they've been very good. Naturally I've kept a very close eye on it, but I've only had 2 instance where genuine mail wasn't getting through that I know of - and in both cases they WERE actually open relays. I was easily able to add an exclusion for those two servers until they got off their ass and fixed their open relay. (Both did after a couple of weeks) Both also have good and fast removal policies so they're not the sort of list that once you get on you can never get off...(ala the original orbs :) When I first started using them it cut the spam by 80%, I'd hate to think what it would be now without it. >Certainly, I've been tempted to just block addresses from Asia... Most >of the spam I saw before I put in my filters was for cheap Thai sex >prostitues and whatnot. I'm just not that kind of girl :) Well 90% of the ip addresses that I found were all Korea :/ One extremely prolific spammer in case anyone is interested is 4.42.113.104, which belongs to genuity's netblock. Even after blocking them with 550 Rejects, they're constantly hammering on our server every half hour. I suspect there is fat chance about Genuity doing anything about them, I've heard they don't have a good rep when it comes to shutting down spammers...:) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: OT: Old Stuff
by David Farrar 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 14:53, Craig Whitmore wrote: > > > Those days you could register es.co.nz (you can't now if this was not tak> en) > > (but they made rules up than you can't register domains as the 3rd level > > being the same as the 1st level domain) (Anyone know the reason for this? > > (there must be a good reason)) (I want to register nz.co.nz and us.co.nz) > > > > Your out of luck, us.co.nz and nz.co.nz are taken... I _think_ that the > restriction may have been lifted but I'm not 100% sure. The restriction was lifted by InternetNZ late last year. Don Stokes can explain far better than me why there used to be a ban on TLDs being registered at the 3rd level but basically it used to cause problems for some old servers. Data indicated that the number of people likely to still be using such old software is very limited and that as most other TLDs allowed TLD names at the third level we should follow the trend. Incidentially ICANN is moving to ban ccTLD (and country) names at the 2nd level in gTLDs because some Govts have asked for this. But that is for political not technical reasons DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: OT: Old Stuff
by Malcolm Lockyer 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Bassically let me explain myself. I'm working with Idiots - who don't know the differnce beteen ram or ip. So - when I say "Its a router - its job is to direct network traffic" - they'll say somthing like "Whoa - they must be pretty big - isn't there only one of those in the world" and a multitude of silly questions. Don't get me wrong silly questions arn't that bad - its just when lots of ppl ask the same questions it gets really annoying. So - it would be great for me to say - this was a cisco 2501 series router, it is uesed to (we all know) - when it was new it was worth $X, and now its worth $x/100 etc. Also - let me be honest, there is a double meaning or purhaps hidden agenda behind asking for this stuff. Firstly it is NOT so that I can have a cool network (make with older tech) at home, or purhaps so that I can sell it - or anything like that. (To prove it - if I mess with something worthwile - a 2500 series router for example that doesn't work -and I make it work good - I'll happily give it back). Firstly - I like to tinker with stuff. Since I'm only 16 years old it is hard trying to get cisco gear, and people get really upset when you tell them that your going to tinker with the nice new shinny router that you've just installed. So - it would be alot of fun (And somthing to do to pass the time) just to mess with really old and/or broken hardware - not nessasarily tring to make it work - just messing. Especially so that I have a better understanding of actually how stuff does stuff - so eventually I can be a better/more effective employee. Also - remember I am asking for gear that isn't being used anyway - purhaps piled in a corner or some other equal place - left where it fell from the last upgrade or somthing. I'm not asking for 7500 series routers which arn't being used right now - or a 4000 that doesn't have enough ram etc. I mean more like some cisco alphabet soup products - or purhaps a 2500 that got droped a long way and doesn't light up at all anymore. Stuff like that. Effectivly junk! Also - my other purpose. I really like cisco stuff. Becasue they are such cool things - 'cause of how well they are constructed designed. And if nothing else - it would be cool to have a bunch of boxes with "Cisco Systems" tags on them :D. So - to just to reiterate. I don't want this stuff so that I can make it work and sell it - or have a huuge network at home. I'm doing it primarily 'cause cisco is cool, and I LOVE to mess with hardware. Anything at all would be more than muchly appreciated - and would go to a "good home" and be messed with/worked on for months to come. Thanks alot - even for your time to read this. :D On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Craig Spiers wrote: > If your only looking at the value of equipment, surely you dont actually have > to have the gear.. You only need an approx value of what its worth? > > I Personally dont think people on this list are stupid enough to hand gear > over for that reason eh.. > > > Quoting Malcolm Lockyer <hivemind(a)neuron.net.nz>: > > > Hello all, > > > > Sorry for the off topic post, and comerical nature of this post. But, I'm > > looking at doing a project about the devaluation of equipment. How > > routers/switches/hubs etc. etc. which cost $$$'s of dollars, then become > > almost worthless only a few years latter. So for the project it would be > > good to have some old gear on hand. > > > > So - I was wondering if people had old cisco switches/routers/anything, or > > any other branded equipment - thats old/broken/not relyable anymore that > > they wouldn't mind parting with. If you are in the hamilton/Auckland area, > > I'll come and get gear, or pay for shipping. I'm even happy to give a > > couple of dollars for stuff that still works okay. > > > > > > Thanks alot! - it'd be very thankful for ANYTHING. > > > > (BTW - please message me off list). --snip-- Best regards, Malcolm Lockyer -- owner/founder/managing director -= Nuron Net =- You're on the net! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nat routes
by mike johnson 01 Apr '02

01 Apr '02

WalkerWireless Simon Paterson, Steve Hawken Can Simon or Steve contact me urgently. Regards Mike Johnson Senior Network Engineer Connections Incorporated Limited Level 1, 282 Wakefield Street, PO Box 11 410, Wellington, New Zealand Mobile: +64 21 423 509; Fax: +64 4 801-5335; Switchboard: +64 4 801-5225 email: mikej(a)connections.net..nz <http://www.connections.net.nz/> Actrix Support Centre: 0800 ACTRIX, +64 4 801 5225 IMPORTANT: This electronic message and attachments (if any) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please let us know by return email immediately and then destroy this message and any attachments.

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Orcon Internet Prefix Lists Update..
by Craig Whitmore 01 Apr '02

01 Apr '02

Hi.. For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS 17746) please update your Filter Lists to include the Following as below. Note we are advertising ranges from AS10022 and AS9889 as well via Orcon (AS17746) in case people are filtering via AS number as well. Peering IP's : 192.203.154.66 AND 192.203.154.67 AS: 17746 Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz ip prefix-list orcon-national description Orcon Internet National Ranges noc(a)orcon.net.nz ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 192.203.216.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.14.20.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.14.217.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.27.76.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.27.140.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.27.188.0/25 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.27.204.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.27.250.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.36.70.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.37.72.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.37.181.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.49.244.0/22 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.49.90.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.49.91.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.49.92.0/22 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.50.0.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.50.104.0/22 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.50.124.0/22 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.50.167.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 202.89.32.0/19 le 24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.54.12.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.54.13.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.54.56.0/21 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.54.142.0/23 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.54.148.0/22 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.0.0/25 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.5.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.8.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.12.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.18.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.29.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.100.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.104.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.110.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.155.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.169.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.199.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.214.0/24 ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 210.55.230.0/24 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Frame-Relay Packet Loss
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 01 Apr '02

01 Apr '02

Funnily enough when we ping a machine of his, we seem to be jumping up and down in the ping rates. At times as low as 4ms and as high as 55ms over a direct frame.. What could it be? RAM? On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Craig Spiers wrote: > If he pings www.net4u.co.nz and gets no packet loss, his circuit is fine.. > > If he pings www.winz.co.nz and gets packet losss the problem is between you > and winz.co.nz > > > Quoting Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited <sahil(a)sahil.net.nz>: > > > As below with "###" > > > > On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Malcolm Lockyer wrote: > > > > > > > > Let me just jump in here, since I was on site.. > > > > > > On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Craig Whitmore wrote: > > > > > > > A few things which may help (not in any order) > > > > > > > > 1) Look at Stats of Frame-Relay Connection (Any Errors??) (Geting Telecom > > to > > > > do BIR TEST) > > > > > > Don't know - forgot the router's ip address, so I can't telnet in and > > > check - sahil will though. (just do a show frame-relay pvc right?) > > > > > > > 2) Are they getting what they are paying for? Are they getting CIR > > before > > > > before any errors occur? Remember the 384K is not promised, only 64K is > > > > promised, any extra bandwidth depends on ALOT of things. > > > > > > Don't know - originally it was being traffic shapped at 384K - which I > > > thought could give the same behavior (ie - the cisco over subscribes the > > > bandwidth). After removing the traffic shaping - the pings were a little > > > lower. > > > > ### I think that the guy needs to up his PVC, I feel he is pushing through > > more than the CIR of the circuit and the circuit seems to be falling close > > to the CIR most of the times. > > > > > > > > > 3) Define "Packet loss"? slow downloads? > > > > > > Well - we've only heard from the asian guy (no offence, but kinda a > > little > > > bad at english) that they get packet losses up to 45%, and when they get > > > packet loss the whole internet is "slow", and people get the "cannot find > > > server errors". > > > > ### He gets packet losses the moment they begin to download, he > > unfortunately pings "www.winz.co.nz" and "www.net4u.co.nz". While he > > pings www.net4u.co.nz he doesn't get any packet loss even while > > downloading, only thing when he jumps out of our network and onto the WWW > > he begins facing packet loss i.e. while pinging www.winz.co.nz > > > > > > > > > 4) Check Settings on Routers on either end (Are both ends different > > hardware > > > > (Any compatibility issues between hardware))? > > > > > > Nope - there is a cisco 2501 and a 2503. > > > > > > > 5) Check Telecom has Circuit defined right.. > > > Dunno - we should ask though. > > > > ###I think Telecom have set it right. Only thing using MRTG I have seen > > them pull upto 440k. Which is why I decided to traffic-shape their link > > as it was affecting other users. > > > > > > > > > 6) Are routers running at high CPU? For example 2500's can't handle > > much > > > > bandwidth thru them without going Kaput and slowing things down > > > > > > Umm.. both the routers were running at about 45ish% cpu usage. However, > > > there was very little ram on the 2503 (4mb) - and it is handling about a > > > meg of shaped traffic now - could that be it? > > > > ###Today, I went and swapped the 2 DRAM Chips around (BTW, Malcolm that > > bent case isn't shutting.. you may need to come around) it seems better, > > but not the BEST. I have also ordered in some 16MB Parity Kingston RAM, > > I'll give that a go. > > > > > > > > > 7) Check External Devices (ethernet convertor on 2500/Serial > > > > Cables/Ehternet) > > > > > > The AUI trancivers seem fine. > > > > > > > 8) On Frame Relay connections, you have not "over subscribed" the Access > > (ie > > > > trying to total of 2M CIR's over a 1M Circuit)? > > > > > > Well - its possible with the traffic shaping rules we were using (ie - > > > shaped to the PIR - when it is running a 25% CIR) > > > > ###Nope, definately NOT. Our end has 3 PVC's off our 1Meg Access and > > they sum up to 1024k > > > > > > > > > 9) MTU set right on both ends? > > > > > > Dunno - Sahil - check > > > > > ### They both say "0 01" > > > > > > Thats just some info about what happenes - any more ideas? > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Craig Whitmore > > > > Orcon Internet > > > > http://www.orcon.net.nz > > > > > > > > > > > --snip-- > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Malcolm Lockyer > > > > > > -- > > > owner/founder/managing director > > > > > > -= Nuron Net =- > > > You're on the net! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > > > > > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Frame-Relay Packet Loss
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

I think he has a weird feeling that www.winz.co.nz is good old "Work and Income New Zealand" On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Keith Davidson wrote: > > ### He gets packet losses the moment they begin to download, he > > unfortunately pings "www.winz.co.nz" and "www.net4u.co.nz". While he > > pings www.net4u.co.nz he doesn't get any packet loss even while > > downloading, only thing when he jumps out of our network and onto the WWW > > he begins facing packet loss i.e. while pinging www.winz.co.nz > > Why on earth is he pinging my network? > > Keith Davidson > > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Frame-Relay Packet Loss
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

Hello there, We currently have a Frame-Relay Customer, they seem to be experiencing packet loss (upto 45%) when they begin a download. However it isn't the case on our end. Any pointers? They are running a 64/384k PVC and are an Intenret Cafe. Cheers, Sahil - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT: Old Stuff
by Malcolm Lockyer 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

Hello all, Sorry for the off topic post, and comerical nature of this post. But, I'm looking at doing a project about the devaluation of equipment. How routers/switches/hubs etc. etc. which cost $$$'s of dollars, then become almost worthless only a few years latter. So for the project it would be good to have some old gear on hand. So - I was wondering if people had old cisco switches/routers/anything, or any other branded equipment - thats old/broken/not relyable anymore that they wouldn't mind parting with. If you are in the hamilton/Auckland area, I'll come and get gear, or pay for shipping. I'm even happy to give a couple of dollars for stuff that still works okay. Thanks alot! - it'd be very thankful for ANYTHING. (BTW - please message me off list). Best regards, Malcolm Lockyer -- owner/founder/managing director -= Nuron Net =- You're on the net! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Prefixes, and gonzo...
by James Tyson 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

Okay, it's official, I am a gonzo. I admit it freely. This is the classic example of when your brain fried, and working on completely new configs for about 10 routers at once. Anyay, I think all the emails from people saying "Hey, what about...." have finished coming in. Here's the *actual* prefix list for our networks (must rememember the customers edition): ip prefix-list callplus-networks contact noc(a)noc.attica.net.nz ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.14.252.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.49.62.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.49.82.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.49.250.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.50.60.0/22 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.50.170.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 210.55.111.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 210.55.158.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 210.55.254.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.180.116.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.37.129.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.180.64.0/18 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 192.100.53.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.27.48.0/21 le 24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.27.56.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.36.204.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.49.152.0/21 le 24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 202.154.128.0/19 le 24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 203.96.16.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks permit 203.96.48.0/20 le 24 Please don't ask me to convert it into JunOS speak, my brain is fried. -- Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anti-spammers...
by Terence Giufre-Sweetser 28 Mar '02

28 Mar '02

Anyone interested in formalizing an affiliation with the various anti-spam lobbies around the globe, and set up branch of CAUCE? or CaUBE.au? http://www.caube.org.au/join.htm --- Terence C. Giufre-Sweetser +---------------------------------+--------------------------+ | TereDonn Telecommunications Ltd | Phone +61-[0]7-32369366 | | 1/128 Bowen St, SPRING HILL | FAX +61-[0]7-32369930 | | PO BOX 1054, SPRING HILL 4004 | Mobile +61-[0]414-663053 | | Queensland Australia | http://www.tdce.com.au | +---------------------------------+--------------------------+ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New Prefix List
by James Tyson 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

Hi Folks. Just letting you all know that we will be doing some major work on the Attica/Callplus network over the easter weekend, and you can all expect to see your APE and WIX peering sessions die at some stage in the early hours of Saturday morning. Also, here is our current prefix-list if your interested: ip prefix-list callplus-networks contact noc(a)noc.attica.net.nz ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.252.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 10 permit 202.49.62.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 15 permit 202.49.82.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 20 permit 202.49.250.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 25 permit 202.50.60.0/22 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 30 permit 202.50.170.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 35 permit 210.55.111.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 40 permit 210.55.158.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 45 permit 210.55.254.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 50 permit 202.180.116.0/24 ip prefix-list callplus-networks seq 55 permit 202.180.64.0/18 Joy! -- Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG, UniForum and the Conference
by Donald Neal 25 Mar '02

25 Mar '02

The UniForum NZ board met on Saturday, 16th March, and spent most of its time discussing matters related to the upcoming conference. NZNOG has been proceeding on the basis that it is going to be holding a gathering which is to take the form of a stream at that conference, to be held in Auckland in July. NZNOG seems to me to have a strong programme lined up, and there have been many expressions of interest in attending. But given the fact that we've never done this before, it is hard to be precise about how many people we can expect to turn up. At which point things have the potential to get a bit more complex. Two views were expressed at the meeting of the relationship between UniForum NZ and the conference. The majority view held that UniForum holds the conference in part to attract membership. Also, a surplus made on the operation of a conference for a society's members is not taxed, while a surplus made on a conference attended by non-members has a tax status which is not clear. UniForum NZ has in the past included a year's subscription in the non-member registration rate for its conferences, so that in fact only members attended. The minority view - held by me and by one other board member also from outside Wellington - held that UniForum NZ exists primarily in order to provide the conference. Since NZNOG's involvement contributes substantially to the conference, it is therefore a good thing. Attracting UniForum membership is good, but not the purpose of the conference. The board decided that all attendees at the upcoming conference should be members of UniForum NZ. This has the potential to be a problem, but it is not yet clear to me how large a problem. No final decision has yet been made on registration charges for this year's conference, but a figure for ordinary registrants of around $200 per day including morning and afternoon teas and lunch seems likely. Arrangements regarding dinner are still being considered. An "early bird" registration offer of noticeably less than that is planned. At present, UniForum NZ's annual subscription is $85 including GST. To add this figure to the sort of registration charge previously discussed on this list would make a noticeable difference to the amount people are being asked to pay. Among the issues now being considered by UniForum NZ is what sort of organisation it wants to be. If it decides to take something like the minority view of itself, it has the option of cutting its overheads and reducing its annual subscription to something low enough that bundling it in with a conference registration would not be a problem. This will be considered in the next couple of months, but I cannot predict the outcome of that consideration. This discussion came as something of a surprise to me, but it appears that Linux User Group members with whom this has been discussed do not have a problem with this level of registration charge. The first question then becomes how much money NZNOG people are willing to part with to attend. $200 per day is not bad when compared to commercial training of any kind, but is significantly more than the amounts that have been discussed on this list in the past. A rate well below that is to be available to those who register early. I'd like to hear (to me, not the list please) from anyone who'd plan to attend at a cost of around $200 for two days but have a problem paying more than that, and from anyone who'd attend at a cost of around $300 for two days but have a problem paying more than that. And what happens if I hear from lots of people? I'm not sure. For now I simply intend to see how many people get back to me over the next couple of days. -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spoofed mail
by Matt Camp 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

Is anyone else getting strange spoofed mail from saarinen.org, or mail from there destined to lists with your own address as the spoofed source? Email to Juha isn't getting any sort of response, so I figure he's either been hax0red, or needs a beating with the clue stick. (possibly both?) Either way, Make It Stop. Now. ---------------- Return-Path: <owner-nznet-gargoyle-noise-gargoyle=noise.net.nz(a)noise.net.nz> Delivered-To: gargoyle-noise-gargoyle(a)noise.net.nz Received: (qmail 28603 invoked by uid 30); 20 Mar 2002 22:16:36 -0000 Delivered-To: nznet(a)paradise.gen.nz Date: 20 Mar 2002 22:16:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020320221636.28602.qmail(a)tombstone.b.org.nz> From: gargoyle(a)tombstone.b.org.nz Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Received: (qmail 28590 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 22:16:33 -0000 Received: from saarinen.org (HELO ehlo) (203.79.82.14) by tombstone.paradise.gen.nz with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 22:16:33 -0000 test Sender: owner-nznet(a)noise.net.nz Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nznet(a)noise.net.nz Return-Path: <testy(a)test.com> Delivered-To: gargoyle-noise-gargoyle(a)noise.net.nz Received: (qmail 11126 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 01:50:48 -0000 Received: from saarinen.org (HELO helo) (203.79.82.14) by tombstone.paradise.gen.nz with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 01:50:48 -0000 test --- Matt Camp - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Spoofed mail
by Mark Foster 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Amazing the influence 'script kiddies' have had on the way we diagnose problems, isnt it? :P At 14:40 21/03/02 +1200, Matt Camp wrote: >Ok, problem resolved... no script kiddies in sight, just some mail servers >refusing to do TLS happily, and majordomo adding headers when it should >be. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Matt, could you please call me?
by Juha Saarinen 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Do a whois on my domain for the number. Can't email you... Sorry for the OT post, but I have no other way of contacting Matt. -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: The SRS and Lame Delegations
by Ewen McNeill 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

NOTE: I've been trying to avoid being drawn into this discussion, as I'm working with the registry implementation team at present, but I feel I should comment on this. In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203191150120.1813-100000(a)belsay.lionra.net.nz>, Andy Linton writes: >I'd argue that unless the name appears in the DNS it shouldn't appear in >the registry as its appearance of the name in the DNS that gives the >registry any authority it has. I'm generally of this view too. While I'm not totally against "database only" registrations, I tend to prefer that registrars that are "parking" names (for want of a description), do so by putting up DNS entries that point at a "this name is reserved for $foo" type webpage. (This also simplifies the code at the registry.) A lot of people typically check for name availability by looking for NS records, or web pages, or MX records for the zone; and I haven't yet seen a strong reason why this should be defeated. >I'd like to see the registry operate on the principle that the names >registered are listed in both the registry's database and the DNS (plus or >minus the next scheduled update). This implies that the nameservers should >be operational and checked at the time of resistration. However it doesn't imply that it should be the registry that does this checking that the nameservers are operational. The SRS (business framework) relies on the registrars Doing The Right Thing (tm) in various instances, and it seems to me that ensuring the nameservers are working is another thing that the registrars should be doing. Much of the "nameserver isn't ready yet" type concerns could be "solved" by simply requiring registrars to ensure that the nameserver is ready by the next zone build. (Then a registrar that is doing a registration against their own nameservers can simply schedule their nameserver reload to happen shortly before the registry zone build happens. Registrations against external name servers would probably need checking before registration, by the registrar, as they are now.) Some appropriate entity (perhaps the registry, but perhaps more appropriately the DNS manager) should be responsible for "quality checking" delegations, by periodically doing a zone walk and looking for lame delegations. When found the DNS manager could take the issue up with the appropriate registrar (in terms of "being a good registrar"). Registrars may wish to walk their own portion of the delegations periodically as part of being a good registrar/keeping their registrants in line. FWIW, I can't help thinking that this has been discussed a few times before in the past. Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The SRS and Lame Delegations
by Zanetti David 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter.mott(a)2day.com] > [1] Registrar should be able to register a name without specifying any name > servers Since Peter has raised this, how does everyone else feel about allowing registars to reserve names on behalf of nameholders in this way. Should the name have no entry in the zone, something explanatory like a TXT record, or should we not allow this at all, and that only fully delegated names be allowed? -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Security Engineer, New Zealand Post Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The SRS and Lame Delegations
by Zanetti David 17 Mar '02

17 Mar '02

Thorny issue I'm sure everyone has a view on: Should the SRS test given nameservers for a name for authorativeness at submission (ie, check for lame delegations), and if so, should it require all provided nameservers to give authorative answers, or a minimum number (suggest please :) ). If it does perform such checks, how often should it repeat them? Agreement by all is not being sought, just arguments either way. -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Security Engineer, New Zealand Post Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: The SRS and Lame Delegations
by David Farrar 17 Mar '02

17 Mar '02

> Thorny issue I'm sure everyone has a view on: > > Should the SRS test given nameservers for a name for authorativeness at > submission (ie, check for lame delegations), and if so, should it require > all provided nameservers to give authorative answers, or a minimum number > (suggest please :) ). If it does perform such checks, how often should it > repeat them? > > Agreement by all is not being sought, just arguments either way. Would another issue be whether the registry should do this checking at all, or should it be a policy requirement of registrars to check for this? DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Spam on the increase again
by Simon Byrnand 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

At 12:50 12/03/02 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Simon Byrnand wrote: >> I've been trialing orbz and ordb in the last couple of months (not related >> to orbs) and they've been very good. Naturally I've kept a very close eye >> on it, but I've only had 2 instance where genuine mail wasn't getting >> through that I know of - and in both cases they WERE actually open relays. >> I was easily able to add an exclusion for those two servers until they got >> off their ass and fixed their open relay. (Both did after a couple of >> weeks) Both also have good and fast removal policies so they're not the >> sort of list that once you get on you can never get off...(ala the original >> orbs :) > >I find orbz a bit of a pain, they are very fast to add us when a customer >is open relay and using us as a smart-host. I've now got them notifying >me/noc directly so that as soon as then add us (provisionally I think) we >get notified and can (a) block the customer from our mail servers (b) >notify orbz to retest (c) contact the customer. If you're only a smart host for your customer who is actually the open relay, then at worst you should find yourself on their "outputs" list, but not on the "inputs" list. I only use the inputs list, which is what they recommend for exactly that reason...if others use the outputs list they do so at their own peril. Yeah, it might be a bit of a pain for you, but it has served its purpose - it's alerted you to an open relay within your netblock which more than likely has already passed some spam. (Otherwise nobody would have bothered to submit it to orbz in the first place) Actually I think they should notify the netblock owners by default rather than being "opt in", as it would get a lot more open relays fixed, but they say that would constitute spam ;) >With respect to NZ spammers we had a problem with one going around all the >Cyber Cafes and using computers there to send email, we have put in a >block for those however. I understand the spammer in question (various >e-gold (or something) related scams) was causing problems with other >people as well. Heh. I don't think I've come across that one. Yet... Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Spam on the increase again
by Simon Byrnand 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

At 14:00 11/03/02 +1300, David Robb wrote: >On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Simon Byrnand wrote: > >> I don't know if anyone else has noticed the same thing, but spam seems to >> be on a major increase again, that makes last time (a few months ago when I >> started a thread about it then) seem like nothing by comparison. I've also >> read a couple of articles in the online press bemoaning the latest resurgence. > >I've seen a fairly large amount all with a similar pattern - all claiming >to be from [random characters](a)yahoo.com. Yep, I was seeing a lot of that too... Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spam on the increase again
by Simon Byrnand 10 Mar '02

10 Mar '02

I don't know if anyone else has noticed the same thing, but spam seems to be on a major increase again, that makes last time (a few months ago when I started a thread about it then) seem like nothing by comparison. I've also read a couple of articles in the online press bemoaning the latest resurgence. I'm curious to know what (if anything) other ISP's are doing to try and counter the flood of spam that seems to be happening lately. Last time around I was mainly finding out about specific spam from customers forwarding it to me, this time around I'm receiving it myself as well, and in fairly large quantities. :-( So much so that I decided to go through and identify the source of my last weeks spam, including all the stuff in my postmaster bounce box for the last week. (Yeah, ok, I probably had too much time on my hands, but it was really frustrating me :) Double bounces are extremely common with spam, because all it takes is a spammer sending to a local address that doesn't exist anymore, (which happens frequently, because they like to target multiple envelope addressees with the same message and never remove anyone off their lists) using a reply to address which is fake. (Which is the case 95% of the time, including the infamous "Reply with the word REMOVE to be removed" messages) Because of that nearly every double bounce is spam, all nicely sorted for me including headers :) I ended up adding over 100 entries to my manual blocklist just in the one session...in a way its just a futile outlet for frustration, but I did find some interesting statistics: * The bulk of the spam for the last week (by message count) was sent by just a few (<20) sources, with one particular case where the same source was spamming the same 30 addresses nearly every hour. (Eeek) Most of the other sources were only one message a piece. (In other words they were probably randomly used relays, rather than the original source, since a number of the messages were identical although the last hop relay was different) * Almost every message has the return address forged, (surprise ;-) usually to a well known domain, like yahoo.com. * A large percentage have ip's that don't resolve. Together with setting the HELO response to the name of the domain they're impersontating, it can be easy to overlook their forgery in the Recieved by lines, eg: Received: from bigpond.com.au ([211.251.218.2]) It's not until you remember that the hostname should be within the parenthesis that you realise its fake.. :) * Some spammers seem to group email addresses together by domain name and send them as one message (presumably to save bandwidth, by letting the destination MTA handle the multiple delivery) but in doing so they often also list all the email addresses in the CC: field which looks VERY bad to any customer receiving that mail. (They think a group of email addresses have been "sold" to spammers, when its really just "normally" harvested addresses being sorted by domain) * Most ip addresses seemed to be either schools or businesses in Korea, or ADSL addresses in the US, Australia or the Netherlands. Very few (maybe 5%) of the spam actually came legitimately through the mailserver of the domain it purported to be from. Anyone else have any similar experiences ? Anyone else keeping track on spam or trying to fight it in any way ? While I'm on the subject, what is the accepted contact address these days for reporting spam to (NZ) ISP's ? postmaster@ or abuse@ or ? I forwarded a copy of spam that originated at an NZ ISP to postmaster@ their domain but havn't heard back yet. I realise that the postmaster address can be a bit over-used since thats where most MTA's like to send their delivery notifications etc to.... Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Phew looks like we were lucky
by Dean Pemberton 09 Mar '02

09 Mar '02

Wow, I just read this really interesting article in Infotech this morning. It was written by this internet expert, and he was saying that a bunch of 'techies' came really close to breaking the New Zealand internet. That it might have impacted my ability to dial up. He also suggests that the government might like to step in and take over. http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1112116a1983,FF.html It must be true if it got printed. Dean (I thought sarcastic irony was better than a venomous attack on this occasion) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Ewen McNeill 08 Mar '02

08 Mar '02

Apologies for the mostly-off-topic post. In message <20020225230605.GA17795(a)tapu.f00f.org>, Chris Wedgwood writes: >On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 11:57:39AM +1300, Juha Saarinen wrote: > JCM was devised as a method of limiting broadband service uptake > >Until I see proof of this, I'm going to call BULLSHIT. FWIW, I'm inclined to agree (that it's bullshit). The JCM (and similar systems which have been in use in New Zealand for a long time) are attempts to limit demand to a level where the supply can be made at a similar cost to what is being paid. So that increases in bandwidth required to supply the demand can be met out of revenue. >I wish people in New Zealand would stop pretending bandwidth is cheap >and/or cost almost zero and expecting vast amounts of resource for >little cost. It doesn't work that way. Anywhere. >From my point of view bandwidth is very cheap now. Of course this is coming from first connecting to the Internet when we were being charged around $600/MB ($0.60 per kilobyte) for (international) traffic. Now I'm paying, what, about $0.20 per megabyte (less in some instances) for international traffic. That's about 1/3000th of the cost a bit of 10 years ago (about 13 years ago now IIRC). Sure there's lots of things one could do if someone were handing out bandwidth for free. There's lots of things one could do if someone were handing out money for free too. That doesn't meant it's a good idea to get fixated on them, and blame the people not giving things away for free for "holding you back" or whatever. The Paradise.Net charging model (for want of a better term) where plans include some amount of traffic "for free" (ie, in the base cost) may have some of the effects that people are hoping for in their "fixed price, all you can eat" plans, but without the horrendous downside effects of "all you can eat" plans (on everyone else, the provider, etc). This is particularly true where the plan includes more traffic than most people can sensibly use in the period (eg, the Paradise.Net plans that have 10GB of traffic included in them). (A friend of mine with a 10GB traffic plan has been trying _very_ hard to use it all up in a month, without succeeding.) My plan at home (a mere 1GB of traffic included) is plenty fine for me; I've never ever hit the limit (in the 18 months I've had the connection), and only rarely think about not doing something "because of the traffic charges". (About the only thing I actively avoid doing is downloading ISO images of (free) software releases.) If somehow I could get more than 128kbps upstream I'd be really happy. (2Mbps downstream is very nice; but 512kbps downstream was fine. 512kbps upstream would be really nice. Anyone lurking from TSNZ take note: I'll pay real money (up to about 50% more for the connection) for a better upstream on my cable connection. I don't even care if it's not backed by international bandwidth; I want this extra upstream bandwidth for local (NZ-wide) use.) Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: ihug problems this morning.
by Simon Lyall 07 Mar '02

07 Mar '02

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Grant Zanetti wrote: > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, J S Russell wrote: > > They have multiple Leons now. :) > It's our version of redundancy. Actually ihug's version of redundancy is when people lose their jobs and get a few week's pay as compensation. Seriously though the Herald article this morning is "a pack of lies" , it's a usual Foreman beatup which appears to use our MOTD page as the sole source of information. Once again people are advised to stear clear of this guy, he appears to be only interested in writting "National Enquirer" type headlines. -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: ihug problems this morning.
by Stephen Andrew 07 Mar '02

07 Mar '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bordignon [mailto:michael.b(a)infometrics.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2002 13:19 > To: 'Juha Saarinen' > Cc: NZNog > Subject: RE: ihug problems this morning. > > > maybe someone tripped over the phone cord to the paradise dialup.. What? Leon?? You there leon??? -- Andrew. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > > Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2002 1:14 PM > > To: Simon Lyall > > Cc: NZNog > > Subject: Re: ihug problems this morning. > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Simon Lyall wrote: > > > > > People might have noticed that we have been having > > problems this morning. > > > > Someone standing in front of the transponder again? ;-) This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Annoying spammers...
by Mark Derricutt 07 Mar '02

07 Mar '02

'lo, dont usually post here (not being a net.admin and all), but recently I'd been getting alot of spam from a "Gordon Hooper" advertising "DHS Clubshop", I've also been receiving spam directly from mail.clubshop.com. Gordon seems to be a kiwi, posting from a kiwi ISP. I mailed abuse@ and got no response, then spoke to someone on the support desk who seemed very keen to put a stop to his spamming, forwarded the messages to him but no response, so am posting here to see if anyone here knows anything about his spamming history, or if someone from his ISP is watching and can "deal" to it. Headers from one of the spam items: Return-path: <gordonnz1(a)hotmail.com> Envelope-to: mark(a)talios.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:01:44 +1300 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by se7en.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16gHlI-0002zv-00 for <mark(a)talios.com>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:01:44 +1300 Received: from wibble.net by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.3.3) for mark(a)talios.com (multi-drop); Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:01:44 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.20]) by wibble.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12878 for <mark(a)talios.com>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:11:48 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: wibble.net: Host [202.37.101.20] claimed to be tyler.snap.net.nz Received: from p75-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.29.75] helo=hotmail.com) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 16gG2t-000555-00 for <mark(a)talios.com>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:11:47 +1300 Message-ID: <2862710-22002242821256860(a)hotmail.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 0, 4 X-EM-Registration: #00F06206106618006920 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: gordonnz1(a)hotmail.com From: "Gordon Hooper" <gordonnz1(a)hotmail.com> To: "Mark Derricutt" <mark(a)talios.com> Subject: Hi Mark another month is ending!!! Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:12:56 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by wibble.net id PAA12878 X-UIDL: 85b20affc9efbb0214c79d7ba39a7e8f -- \m/ -- "...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood." (c) Dream Theater mark(a)talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios(a)myjabber.net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: ihug problems this morning.
by Michael Bordignon 06 Mar '02

06 Mar '02

maybe someone tripped over the phone cord to the paradise dialup.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2002 1:14 PM > To: Simon Lyall > Cc: NZNog > Subject: Re: ihug problems this morning. > > > On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Simon Lyall wrote: > > > People might have noticed that we have been having > problems this morning. > > Someone standing in front of the transponder again? ;-) > > -- > Juha - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ihug problems this morning.
by Simon Lyall 06 Mar '02

06 Mar '02

People might have noticed that we have been having problems this morning. Mostly fixed now except for our APE link. :( -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Semi OT: Anybody using the EIGRP protocal?
by Malcolm Lockyer 04 Mar '02

04 Mar '02

Hello all.. I was messing 'round on amazon (reading all the book exerpts :P) and in a cisco book I found some stuff about EIGRP routing protocal. What I read about it, it sounded really good, like had all the benifits of OSPF and uses less CPU power, and easier to setup etc. So, I was just curious, is anybody in NZ using EIGRP? Oh, and I'm a stupid newbie, so I'm sorry if the next few questions are kind silly, but, I guess everybody has gotta start somewhere.. :P I've only worked with cisco 2500's, so this may be totally off for the newer routers, but... When configuring the 2503 and 2514 with IOS 12.0, it seems that the only protocals it, "likes" is RIP and IGRP, say if I wanted to use EIGRP is it just a matter of saying somthing like "ip EIGRP" on the interfaces, or do you have to do somthing like upgrade to an IOS with EIGRP included? Also I was wondering, say I had a mid sized network, and I decided that I wanted to use, EIGRP protocal on my network. But, say, I was getting internet delivered over frame relay, and that service provider was using, say RIP. Would that work? Or do you need to do somthing special to the routers to allow somthing like that, data moving between routing protocals?? Thanks Malcolm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Conference papers
by Dean Pemberton 04 Mar '02

04 Mar '02

Remember people - If you want to present a paper at the conference and have not mailed me about it (after the CFP and too the special email address) then you are not down on the list. I know that I could just copy over the original list, but it was really only to gauge interest, and lets face it if you can't handle mailing me again then what hope do I have of getting a paper out of you =) So here we go again, Mail suggestions/abstracts to nznog2002(a)deanpemberton.com Thanks Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom broadband trial in Dunedin(?)
by Juha Saarinen 03 Mar '02

03 Mar '02

Is there any information about that, on the Web? -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: CALL FOR PAPERS for the APT workshop on "Networking Strategie s for Regional Internet Traffic Routing Arrangements" 9 - 11 May, Republi c of Palau
by Frank March 03 Mar '02

03 Mar '02

Marginally OT perhaps but may be of interest to list members nevertheless. Those who remember the international internet charging issue/fiasco (which, by the way is still doing its merry rounds within APEC TEL and ITU Study group 3 but with little prospect of getting anywhere, fortunately) may be interested to know that it all started within the APT. If anyone wants more details please contact me directly and I will pass on the MS word docs attached originally which I have deleted in deference to the AUP for this list. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > From: Pornpan [SMTP:pornpan(a)aptsec.org] > Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 20:48 > To: companies(a)aptsec.org; affiliates(a)aptsec.org; associates(a)aptsec.org; > members(a)aptsec.org > Cc: V.P. SINHA; Joon-Won LEE; Mick MILLINGTON; Chaiyuth SUKSIRI; > aptsg(a)aptsec.org > Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS for the APT workshop on "Networking > Strategies for Regional Internet Traffic Routing Arrangements" 9 - 11 May, > Republic of Palau > > Our ref.: APT/SG/General/2002-13 > > February 25, 2002 > > Subject: > CALL FOR PAPERS > for the APT workshop on "Networking Strategies for Regional Internet > Traffic Routing Arrangements" > 9 - 11 May, Republic of Palau > > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > We refer to our letter of invitation to you for the APT workshop on > "Networking Strategies for Regional Internet Traffic Routing Arrangements" > which will be held from 9 to 11 May 2002 at the Palasia Hotel, Koror, > Republic of Palau. > > We have also sent a "Call for Papers" for the workshop alongwith the > invitation letter. We are again sending the "Call for Papers" for your > consideration. Please find attached the "Call for Paper" and the tentative > program for the workshop. > > The workshop which will be of 2 ½ days duration will bring the Service > Providers, regulators, administrations and other concerned parties of the > Asia-Pacific region to discuss on the suitable architecture for regional > Internet traffic routing arrangements. > > This workshop will have an impact on the future of Internet traffic > routing of the Asia-Pacific region, as it will be discussing the setting > up of an Internet hub in the Asia-Pacific region. Therefore, we highly > encourage participation from experts from your administration/organization > who are skilled in the areas of Internet Networking and Routing. > > Please request the expert to send the presentation title, abstract and > biodata by 15 March 2002 to the APT Secretariat, Bangkok, at > aptsg(a)aptsec.org <mailto:aptsg(a)aptsec.org> or fax +662 573 7479/574 4226 > for our evaluation purposes. > > The presentation should be sent to the above address by 5 April 2002. > > The expert can choose one of the topics below for the presentation with > respect to the architectural alternatives for the Asia-Pacific Internet > traffic routing arrangements: > > * Issues to be considered for a regional Internet traffic routing hub > * Services issues (DNS forwarders, mirror sites, WWW caches) > * QoS/Network Management issues (Latency, QoS, regional Network > Management, etc.) > * Peering issues (inter and intra-region) > * Charging, regulatory issues > > We look forward to hearing from you soon. > > With best regards, > > Yours sincerely, > (Sgnd) > Hugh Railton > Deputy Executive Director > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Asia-Pacific Telecommunity > 12/49 Soi 5 Chaengwattana Road > Bangkok 10210, Thailand > Tel: +66 2 573 0044 > Fax: +66 2 573 7479 > URL: <http://www.aptsec.org/> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > km/ps > > Attachments: > 1) Call for Paper > 2) Tentative Program Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 02 Mar '02

02 Mar '02

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 320 subscribers. February 2002 was the first month I can remember during which that number didn't increase. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings continue to be bounced, but not as often as spam.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities Work is now under way towards a conference and social gathering to be held at the Auckland Airport Centra on 11 and 12 July 2002. Speakers, organisational workers and sponsors have stepped forward, but more are being sought. Voice over IP, wireless networking and IPv6 seem to be among the topics in which there's most interest. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Confidential DRS post implementation review now public
by Robert Gray 02 Mar '02

02 Mar '02

Peter Mott wrote: >Today I received in the post the above 55 page document marked >"commercial in confidence" within an envelope marked >"private and confidential" Sadly the "commercial in confidence" was left in in error. Copies distributed in future will not contain this qualification. The intent (as stated inthe accompanying letter and in the Board commentary) is to make the review available to interested parties in the public interest. -- Robert Gray bob(a)brockhurst.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Semi OT: Anybody using the EIGRP protocal?
by Thomas Salmen 01 Mar '02

01 Mar '02

Enabling eigrp is the same as with most other routing protocols: router eigrp 10 network 10.1.0.0 network 192.168.5.0 network x.x.x.x We don't use EIGRP ourselves, and I don't have a huge amount of experience with it personally (other than lab study). I'm not aware of anyone using it (not that this means anything - as far as I know everyone in the country could be). EIGRP is often referred to as a balanced-hybrid routing protocol, in that it displays properties of both distance vector and link state protocols. Unlike distance-vector (eg RIP), EIGRP does not indiscriminately fire routing updates across the 'net; unlike link-state protocols, EIGRP treats everything as one large area. Because of this, EIGRP can become more troublesome to manage in larger internetworks: care must be taken to design a network which does not destabilise easily. OSPF does a nice job of reducing this complexity by making it intuitive to break a network into individual areas, and (essentially) routing between them; the process with EIGRP is rather more manual. Routing information can be summarised at router interfaces, creating a similarly hierarchical topology. Good initial network design can eliminate many problems from the beginning. PS - like I said, I don't have a lot of experience with EIGRP first-hand - most of what I say here is inferred through study or research. Regarding your last question: if you only have the one connection to the outside world (eg your hypothetical frame), you don't need to run any routing protocol over it. Your router (the 2500) only needs a default router pointing to the appropriate next hop - how the next hop decides how to forward packets you send it is irrelevant, as far as you are concerned. You can be using RIP, your provider could use OSPF. Just as long as they get where they are supposed to. Of course, the situation becomes far more interesting with two upstream pipes... -- Regards, Thomas Salmen Network Manager Radionet Ltd. 72 Paul Matthews Road Albany, Auckland, New Zealand Ph: +64 9 4140 300 -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Lockyer [mailto:hivemindhivemind(a)hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2002 7:47 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Semi OT: Anybody using the EIGRP protocal? Hello all.. I was messing 'round on amazon (reading all the book exerpts :P) and in a cisco book I found some stuff about EIGRP routing protocal. What I read about it, it sounded really good, like had all the benifits of OSPF and uses less CPU power, and easier to setup etc. So, I was just curious, is anybody in NZ using EIGRP? Oh, and I'm a stupid newbie, so I'm sorry if the next few questions are kind silly, but, I guess everybody has gotta start somewhere.. :P I've only worked with cisco 2500's, so this may be totally off for the newer routers, but... When configuring the 2503 and 2514 with IOS 12.0, it seems that the only protocals it, "likes" is RIP and IGRP, say if I wanted to use EIGRP is it just a matter of saying somthing like "ip EIGRP" on the interfaces, or do you have to do somthing like upgrade to an IOS with EIGRP included? Also I was wondering, say I had a mid sized network, and I decided that I wanted to use, EIGRP protocal on my network. But, say, I was getting internet delivered over frame relay, and that service provider was using, say RIP. Would that work? Or do you need to do somthing special to the routers to allow somthing like that, data moving between routing protocals?? Thanks Malcolm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Porirua Jetstream
by Steve Winter 01 Mar '02

01 Mar '02

Hi, I'm a 'sometimes' end user of Jetstream, who has been 'enjoying' the recent thread... Now I say sometimes because I have been unable to connect for the last approx. 20 hours...my ISP, who shall at this time remain nameless, has recently informed me that this is a Telecom problem within the entire Porirua basin... As the same 'tech' person is the one who assured me that to reboot an external router I had to restart my computer, and also asked me to tell him what results I got from a tracert to their server were, when I had just spent 5 min explaining that I had no internet connection, in all honesty I have little faith in the accuracy of this statement... :-) A web search turns up nothing useful...just wondered if anyone on the list can confirm or deny... Kind regards Steve - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Scheduled: Work on ihug to APE link 3pm Friday.
by Simon Lyall 01 Mar '02

01 Mar '02

Just a note that we will be doing some work on our link to APE at 3pm this afternoon. Hopefully it should only take a minutes but be might see the odd error. We have also been adjusting our wellington setup this afternoon if people notice any changes to our WIX advertising. This should all be stable soon. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Telecom mail server problems
by Donald Neal 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

>>> "Chris Wedgwood" <cw(a)f00f.org> 02/28/02 10:05 >>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 05:24:02PM +1300, Jean-Francois Pirus wrote: >> FYI: I had to disable ECN on our mail servers to be able to send >> mail to telecom.co.nz. So that's still an ongoing problem. >Their problem, not yours. Unless you think that you should be conservative in what you send (see RFC3168). - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Juniper Networks(r) Routers: The Complete Reference
by Dean Pemberton 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

I knew keeping quiet about Rogers 10GigE vendor spam was going to pay off eventually. This is not so much vendor spam as a Public Service announcement. =) The first Juniper Networks Reference book has just been released. It was written by some of our best engineers (read as: HEAPS better than me), and it aims to be as the title says "The Complete Reference". One of the Authors is Jeff Doyle. You might remember him from such small books as "Routing TCP/IP Volume 1 and 2". So either keep a lookout at your local bookstore, make an order, or here is the amazon URL. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194812/qid=1014934141/sr=8-1/ref… - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2002: Call for Papers
by Donald Neal 27 Feb '02

27 Feb '02

A gathering of the New Zealand Network Operators' Group is planned for 11 and 12 July 2002, to be part of the UniForum NZ conference being held at the Auckland Airport Centra Hotel (in Kirkbride Rd, Mangere). A number of people and organisations have offered to provide content, but other offers are still welcome. If you'd like to present a paper, a tutorial, a practical demonstration, or indeed something else on a topic likely to interest NZNOG subscribers, we'd like to hear from you. Among subjects in which people have expressed interest are: IPv6 implementation, Multicasting; Quality of Service; Voice over IP and Wireless and community networking, but other suggestions are welcome. Material to be presented may be either leading-edge or more introductory. If you or your company is able to offer a presentation, or if you'd like to add a request for a topic to be discussed, please email nznog2002(a)deanpemberton.com . The sooner we hear from you, the more likely we can do something about it. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom mail server problems
by Jean-Francois Pirus 27 Feb '02

27 Feb '02

FYI: I had to disable ECN on our mail servers to be able to send mail to telecom.co.nz. So that's still an ongoing problem. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Outage on APE this evening
by Simon Blake 27 Feb '02

27 Feb '02

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:18:36PM +1300, Peter Mott said: > I take it you have a quick means of restoring the current image if the box > displays sillyness on reload? I've got a goodly number of identical switches in Wellington all running the same code release, so I've no reason to believe the 3524's in the Sky tower will display altitude sickness. I've also discovered that if you delete all the HTML off the flash, you can fit two images on (the old and the new), which does give us a way back if they display Auckland specific silliness. In addition, we'll have a tech on standby - he needs to be on site to install gigabit between the switches (part of the reason for the upgrade is to install an IOS release that supports copper GBICs). So if I do royally putz something up (fairly unlikely, given that I've done about 60 of these upgrades in the last two months), we'll have somebody there to type stuff into the boot loader and reinstantiate the old image. Cheers Si - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Outage on APE this evening
by Simon Blake 27 Feb '02

27 Feb '02

Hi Folks. A quick heads up, there will be an outage of approximately 75 seconds on each of the APE switches tomorrow (Fri Mar 1) morning at 6am (timing is negotiable, if anybody has a good reason to have it earlier or later). This is to upgrade IOS on each box (to the same level as the same switches in Wgtn). Cheers Si - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Greater Government Control of Icann sought by Icann)
by Andy Linton 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

You might like a view from a senior IETF figure. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:33:53 -0800 From: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> Subject: Re: ICANN reformation from: <http://www.icann.org/general/lynn-reform-proposal-24feb02.htm> [ and the announcement <http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-24feb02.htm> ] "It is now more than three years since the creation of ICANN, and there are some real accomplishments: the introduction of a competitive registrar market, the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy, the creation of seven new global Top Level Domains." <flame> the registrar market is not usefully competitive. the seven new tlds are a failure. the udrp is kind of a success, but it took tanks and guns to keep icann's lawyer from handing it to washington trademark lobbiests and the recording industry. and the new gtlds are failures, many are not even working and neustar had another big layoff last week. the story i get is that the board, after much 'discussion' has let this brilliant idea float. at least the following were arguments o icann is running out of money o icann needs $20m, half, $10m, is to run the root servers o the dnso has been a failure o governments will give icann money imiho, o again, icann is more interested in, and totally focused on, arranging power rather than providing simple stewardship and service. icann is brilliant at rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. the problem is they have the internet on board. o why does icann have to spend $10m to run the root servers when it never usd to cost anything? they're run voluntarily. heck, i know isps who give free circuits to them! o icann could be run for $1-2m/yr - scale down operations and fancy meetings *completely*, meet at ripe, inet, ... - get back to simple stewardship and management - *earn* the cooperation of cctlds, registries, and they can support a *small* icann, ... o the idea that governments will give icann money is probably flawed. the criminal mob would be more likely to do so, and would likely extract less of a price. o explaining reality to the current icann powers that be is extremely hard. explaining it to governments, who, under this plan, would be given vast power, will be virtually impossible. clueless bureaucrats can actually *break* the internet. o the failure of the dnso is merely the failure of one of icann's sillinesses. it is no loss, it is a demonstration of a fatal misunderstanding of reality. o icann only needs to - coordinate allocation of address space to the RIRs - maintain the root zone file - slowly try to get MsOU with the folk icann actually serves one computer scientist used to do this as a part time job. how much of a mountain can we make of a molehill? o the board should immediately install a president, or whatever the position is called, who actually remembers how to serve the internet simply, with constructive cooperation, and less than $20m/yr. as no one with clue will want to do this job for a long time, it likely needs to be a pro tem appointment. o if the president pro tem is not technical, get a cto or vp tech pro tempore. it will need an understanding of the technology to scale icann back without damaging anything. o there is one good thing for scaling icann down now. the pressure for new gtlds has to be less, seeing the great financial boon the seven new ones have not seen. o another is that the constituencies are tired, years of doing nothing but spending money on fancy hotels and creating massive hot air. years of the icann process may have actually filtered some clue into the players. i suspect that only the combined voices of the isps, ietf, registries, etc. can insert some rationality into this craziness. get icann under control, shrink it back down to something small, and SERVE the internet, stop trying to rule it. </flame> randy -- you are free to redistribute this message - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Richard Naylor 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

At 01:06 p.m. 27/02/2002 +1300, Juha Saarinen wrote: >On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Richard Naylor wrote: > > > However, its not that bad. Remember we are DEREGULATED. That means YOU can > > dig up the road. Just fill in the form, comply with the specs and get out > > your shovel. Hook up 12 people and get an operators licence. your own > > letter from the GG. > >I was told that it's not that simple. You need permits, and you have to >pay the local council a hefty sum for the "ground lease" (or a similar >term). The permits are typically called street opening notices. You follow the local code of practice and you should be sweet. The ground lease idea is something that councils are trying on at the moment, just like building owners are trying to get operators to pay them for the cables being in buildings. So just watch how useful a building (or city) is like without services. AKL people know what it was like without power. >This might be a peculiarity for Auckland city, however. Akl CC doesn't get the program. Which is why AKL is referred to as a "bandwidth desert" - and that gets us back to the beginning of the topic. rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Lets fix what we don't like! (was: Phew looks like we were lucky)
by Malcolm Lockyer 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

But who isn't owned by telecom these days? I mean, southern cross etc. If your not getting your bandwidth via jetscam (ie. TC) then what is it being delivered over? Unless you wanna get frame to clear, and pay a $K or so every month, which you can only get someplaces anyway. Looking at that, there pretty much isn't any alternitives for a lowly hamiltonian, so, the only thing I can do is use jetscam and pay $.2/meg, or go back to dial-up, and 5K/sec d/l's, which I can't stand *anymore*. Oh for the days of fiber to every house! :D The thing I don't get about this, is, if TC found the money to lay copper all those years ago for phones, and, with ppl payin' somthing like $30/month. I understand that there has got somthing behind it to supply bandwidth, etc. but if you compare laying fiber to homes to telephones 30 odd years ago (which is when lots of the current phone stuff started to go in (I think, I could be wrong). I don't really understand how it could cost soo much to lay glass? I understand that it costs a whole bunch for the southern cross cables, but there are ways around it. Get some crazy contract to get tc to lay fiber everywhere, so do somthing like for example have , a couple of big grunty transparent proxies, on gig ethernet, so, all the stuff it has, comes through at say, 10-100mbit/s, but if not, it tribbles through at say, 1/10gig (which is still okay - but 'cause lots of ppl using it the cost would be spread out), then have local traffic commin' through at 10-100mbit/s anyway 'cause local is almost dirt cheap. Or purhaps, some private company, get together a couple of mill from somewhere, and lay some new fiber strands (just string it behind a boat, with sinkers! :P) across the ocean, charge HEAPS less for bandwidth, so that nobody uses the TC one, so they sell it in a hope to get any money back, then we could take over their multi-billion dollar cable!! :D:P I know that last one is a little silly, but, doable. All I'm saying is we should stop sitting 'round and complaining about how much tc charge for jetscam, and do somthing about it! So, who's with me? Lets change what we don't like, and revolutionise how ppl deliver and charge for fast net!!!!!!!!!!! :D Malcolm >From: Rodger Donaldson <rodgerd(a)diaspora.gen.nz> >Reply-To: rodgerd(a)diaspora.gen.nz >To: Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> >CC: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: Phew looks like we were lucky > >On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 12:36:37PM +1300, Mark Foster wrote: > > > > > From my point of view bandwidth is very cheap now. Of course this is > > >coming from first connecting to the Internet when we were being charged > > >around $600/MB ($0.60 per kilobyte) for (international) traffic. Now >I'm > > >paying, what, about $0.20 per megabyte (less in some instances) for > > >international traffic. > > > > My problem with this is that you pay $0.20/meg for *traffic* regardless >of > > its target. > >No, you don't, unless you've chosen Telecom as a provider. You pay one >tenth for domestic traffic, last I looked at my pricing plan. Ewen's >talking about TelstraNameOfTheWeek cable modems. > > > Bandwidth has dropped in cost, but we download more, and faster, >nowadays. > >Oddly enough, you may find some relationship between these facts. > >-- >Rodger Donaldson rodgerd(a)diaspora.gen.nz --snip-- _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Traffic Shaping
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

Hello, Would anyone know how to rate Morpheus and IRC etc as low priority traffic and capped to 128k on a Cisco 2501 with IOS 11.1? Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Forum for Discussion
by Andrew Garrett 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

Refer to your .sig. At 03:37 PM 2/27/02 +1300, CamSpanker wrote: >You mean *web* forums? >I wasn't aware that anyone except internet newbies used them.. > >Food for thought. > >Cheers. > >James Tyson. > "Upgrade your grey matter, 'coz one day it may matter." > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Forum for Discussion
by Taylor Wilkins 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

Is there a suitable forum run in NZ to discuss NZ networking or networking in general? For gaming there is http://www.nzgames.com/forums/ , http://forums.gamer.net.nz/ and http://www.gpforums.co.nz/ If there is currently none would anyone wish to set one up? Cheers, Taylor - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Greater Government Control of Icann sought by Icann
by Mike Sutton [ awacs ] 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

BBC report this today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1841000/1841216.stm Full text of the ICANN CEO proposal can be found at: http://www.icann.org/general/lynn-reform-proposal-24feb02.htm and a diagram of the proposed new structure at: http://www.icannchannel.de/lynn-proposal.pdf Is this linked to the timing of Jim Higgins Opinion... http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1112116a1983,FF.html State Control of Icann State Control of NZ Domain Whose encouraging running this line... Cabinet ? What do you think Michael Sutton http://www.awacs.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Trapped in a glut of surplus bandwidt with no apparent way o ut
by Frank March 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

A further addition to the interesting debate we have been having on Internet 2/broadband. OT perhaps, and relating to the US/Canadian scene, but fascinating. This is taken from the CYBERTELECOM list. <sample quote> Demand will not skyrocket until the LEC controlled copper based local loop is by passed and either fiber or multi-megabit per second wireless reaches the vast majority of homes and businesses. </sample quote> Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Cook [SMTP:cook(a)COOKREPORT.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2002 11:14 > To: CYBERTELECOM-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Subject: Trapped in a glut of surplus bandwidt with no apparent way > out > > from pages 31 -33 of may 2002 cook report - published yesterday. > more detail at http://cookreport.com/11.02.shtml > > We find that we are trapped between the jaws of huge ununsed capacity > and content owners protection of intellectual property at any cost. > The politics and economics of our slavish obedience to the "free > market" is constricting the availability of bandwidth by placing > marketing and policy in the hands of those who expect pay-per-use > demand that lives in a walled garden to define and drive the > development of broadband services. > > Only about 5 or 6 percent of the long haul inter city fiber installed > has been lit or will be lit in the foreseeable future. Of the fiber > that is lit by 80 wavelength capable boxes only about 8% of what > these boxes are capable of is in use. Each incremental wavelength > used costs only a few thousand dollars per line card per a couple of > dozen boxes to install. Adding ten gigabits to a backbone is > relatively trivial and compared to the original cost of building and > lighting the incremental cost of doing so is very small. Currently > only about four to eight wavelengths per carrier are lit. > > Consider demand. Just as the demand for dark fiber IRUs has peaked > and fallen off, the demand for wavelengths may now be peaking. Until > the fiber owners start publishing verifiable numbers every quarter on > how many wavelengths they have "sold" via IRU and via lease there is > no credible way to judge changing trends in supply and demand. > > Now we can safely assume that with phone network use having peaked > there will be little in the way of additional demand there. Assuming > that data still doubles every year in North America, you may be able > to sell an aggregate of 20 to 25 new lambdas this year to handle > carrier data growth. But with fifteen American carriers and six > Canadian each with 80 wavelength capable systems you have an easily > provisioned supply of more than 1600 lambdas perhaps only 150 of > which are lit. The problem is that without complete disclosure from > each carrier there is no way of knowing exactly what capacity is > actually in use. > > Nevertheless our experts are all in agreement that used capacity is > only a tiny fraction of what's available. Whether the amount is 4 > percent or 12 percent, under current circumstances, makes little > difference. In short we likely have at least a five or six year > window with current growth before, with the addition of new lambdas, > we fill the capacity of the fibers that have been lit. Sales of dark > fiber IRUs have basically ended leaving long haul growth dependent on > lambdas sales. > > But who will buy? Prices are getting cheap enough for enterprise > networks to consider using lambdas. But right now even the largest > enterprise networks are mostly 155 megabits with a very few 2.5 > gigabit links here and there. Most enterprises don't have the means > of connecting 2.5 gigabits to a campus let along ten. This leaves > other carriers who have a fraction of the capital they once did and > whose need for new capacity has slackened. > > Bill St Arnaud put it this way: "However, even given a rapid growth > in data traffic, I think in the long haul it will be another 3 years > before we see any new fibers lit, another 10 years before new fibers > are blown in existing conduit and another and 15 years before new > conduit is trenched in the ground." The situation seems dire and will > determine the fate of many carriers. Policy makers and financial > markets are being called on to make judgments but neither policy > makers nor financial markets can see the carriers' resources. With > the small resources at our command, The COOK Report certainly cannot > do a definitive census of the carriers. But even if increased > resources could be brought to bear, it is unlikely that carriers > would admit to a highly embarrassing situation. > > We are stuck with a conundrum where until the debt is wiped off > carrier books or until demand skyrockets you have the entire industry > embedded in a continued downward spiral that results in more and more > bankruptcies. Demand will not skyrocket until the LEC controlled > copper based local loop is by passed and either fiber or > multi-megabit per second wireless reaches the vast majority of homes > and businesses. Even then the demand may still be too easily filled > by capacity on hand, until and unless the Canadians can make it > possible to extend a wavelength to every home and business. > > The technology has indeed overwhelmed the global infrastructure and > its installed economic base and rendered it not economically > sustainable. Canada looks to be following a strategy of enabling more > uses for bandwidth while the United States follows a course of > laissez faire in which the market knows best theory is freed to allow > the concentration of media and carriers to consolidate an > infrastructure duopoly where cable and DSL are the only officially > blessed avenues to broadband. The US policy seems likely to be one of > handing the market to huge and powerful old technology companies. The > funny thing is that if Googin is right those companies will fail. > > -- > ======================================================== > The COOK Report on Internet, 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA (609) > 882-2572 (phone & fax) cook(a)cookreport.com Subscription info & > prices at http://cookreport.com/subscriptions.shtml Summary of > content for 10 years at http://cookreport.com/past_issues.shtml > The Future of the Industry - Googin & > Odlyzko on telco viability - April issue available at > http://cookreport.com/11.01.shtml > ======================================================== Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. 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Re: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Richard Naylor 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

At 07:33 p.m. 26/02/2002 +1300, you wrote: >I'm sure this is a lot different for you as a primarily layer 2 provider, >whereas people like us have to provide all sorts of crazy services, like >MPLS VPN's, AVVID, etc over the circuits we provide to customers we have >to have a lot more intelligence closer to the edge of the network than >Citylink appears to be. >So, whilst I agree that its about architectures, it's also about services. >Some architectures are better than others for different things, but I >guess you knew that. yes - but I didn't want to get into that detail. Remember that in Wn we INSIST that a customer have a router at the edge. Its just that we make them buy it. THats because when we started (with $85K) routers were expensive and we avoided that outlay.. We still insist on routers and in AKL we provide them as a part of the connection. rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Traffic Shaping
by Denis Gordon 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

Sahil, If ICQ traffic uses fixed well known IP address and/or sockets then you can cap bandwidth with the "traffic-shape" IOS interface command. I don't know if this is the case or not. For example, here's how we cap SMTP traffic at 128K. First setup an extended access-list defining the IP addresses/sockets you want to cap. ! SMTP mail no access-list 125 access-list 125 permit tcp any any eq smtp access-list 125 permit tcp any eq smtp any The apply it to your interfaces - interface serial0 traffic-shape group 125 128000 interface ethernet0 traffic-shape group 125 128000 This will cap all SMTP at 128K in & out. regards Denis Gordon Network Administrator Information Systems Technical Support Dunedin City Council 50 The Octagon, PO Box 5045, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph: +64-3-474 3566 Fax: +64-3-474 3503 Mobile: 025 845 583 Email: denis(a)dcc.govt.nz WWW: http://www.CityOfDunedin.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2002 10:24am To: Sahil Gupta - NET4U Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Traffic Shaping I didn't think a 2501 passed packets any faster than that anyway? Dean (Ok that was low. Really low. But I think this groups needs some humour at the moment, so I'm gonna let it slide) On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 09:02:25PM +0000, Sahil Gupta - NET4U wrote: > Hello, > Would anyone know how to rate Morpheus and IRC etc as low priority traffic > and capped to 128k on a Cisco 2501 with IOS 11.1? > > Regards, > > Sahil Gupta > NET4U Limited > > ------------------------------------ > NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz > Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL > Nationwide Internet Service Provider > ------------------------------------ > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Research Networks [was Re: Phew looks like we were lucky]
by Donald Neal 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

>>> "Stephen Donnelly" <sfd(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> 02/25/02 04:37 >>> >If your question Joe is 'what is the justification for internet2?', then I'd say >there seems to be at least two commonly cited ones. >One is the use in current large applications such as 'grid' computing, a la DTF. >Connecting super computer centres may consume a lot of bandwidth. Climate >models, particle physics results etc. >The other one is that the internet2 is supposed to spurr new application >development, showing what *can* be done with huge amounts of bandwidth when it's >available at low cost. One of the more PR friendly applications would probably >be the 'virtual teleconferencing' systems, where 3d models are transmitted along >with the video, allowing participants to be rendered in 3d at each end. (Enables >you to make direct eye contact, surprisingly important.) What that means is that a high-bandwidth network can be useful as a testbed for all sorts of stuff. That's an argument for building one if you actually have enough interest from research institutions, but suggests that they'd need to take a lead in calling for one. >So in short, the internet2 initiatives aren't so much about networking anymore, >as applications. On the other hand, the vBNS has native multi-cast, Abilene >supports IPv6, and CA-net3 is intended to be 'all optical'; they're developing >OBGP for instance. And if you want to understand how new technologies and new ideas fit together there's no substitute for experience. These are not issues which have directly to do with providing cheap bandwidth for less experimental customers, which is where this thread seems to have gone. Asking a serious question which may have some relevance to this list, is anyone in New Zealand doing any research at present which would use high-bandwidth links in either of these ways? - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Ewen McNeill 25 Feb '02

25 Feb '02

In message <5.1.0.14.0.20020226123309.026f07c0(a)pop3.attica.net.nz>, Mark Foster writes: >> From my point of view bandwidth is very cheap now. Of course this is >>coming from first connecting to the Internet when we were being charged >>around $600/MB ($0.60 per kilobyte) for (international) traffic. Now I'm >>paying, what, about $0.20 per megabyte (less in some instances) for >>international traffic. > >My problem with this is that you pay $0.20/meg for *traffic* regardless of >its target. I don't know what the case is with Jetstart, etc, as I've never used them (at least in a context where I was paying the bill). The "Paradise.Net model" I mentioned earlier charges 1/10th of the International charge for "local" (national, ie in New Zealand) traffic. This seems to work well for TSNZ, and it works well for me (as an end customer). Most other traffic-based pricing plans I've had over the last 10 years or so have had similar rules (including the ones that I implemented the software for way back when): cheaper rates for more local traffic. If Jetstart doesn't do that (ie charges national and international traffic at the same (high) rate), then yes, I agree, it's discouraging local use, and it's bad. International bandwidth is lots more expensive than national bandwidth (all that ocean all around) to the provider, so in a pass-the-costs-on model it should be more expensive to the consumer too. >Bandwidth has dropped in cost, but we download more, and faster, nowadays. I could easily get through "as much bandwidth as I can afford" way back then as I could now, if I tried. By no means is it perfect now. And yes, the charges in New Zealand are probably higher than charges overseas by pure exchange rates or whatever. But quite a number of providers overseas (eg, the US) appear to have been going out of business which is, umm, inconvenient for their customers, suggesting they're not entirely profitable charges there. Oh, and there's all that expensive-to-put-bandwidth-over ocean between New Zealand and pretty much anywhere else. That sort of adds to the cost, meaning direct comparisions aren't entirely appropriate. Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Simon's SCC question
by Juha Saarinen 25 Feb '02

25 Feb '02

http://www.southerncrosscables.com/layup.htm -- not sure if it's accurate/up-to-date, but the roll-overs say that there are three fibre pairs, each with sixteen wavelengths with a 10Gbps bit rate, going to Australia and to Hawaii. 3*16*10=480Gbps, presumably. Wonder how much of this is in use though? -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Digital Divide in Alberta
by Joe Abley 24 Feb '02

24 Feb '02

The article's a little light on the details, but I thought the idea of a government initiative designed to supply broadband internet to a province of 3 million widely-distributed people might ring some bells for someone :) http://business.cisco.com/app/tree.taf?asset_id=83016 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Frank March 24 Feb '02

24 Feb '02

I think the point is not to 'fill the pipes' but to explore the options that become available when bandwidth is not a restriction. Necessarily there is another condition: the bandwidth has to be essentially free. Empty pipes capably of handing bursty/intermittent/occasional traffic at very high transfer rates will allow for completely different long distance apps than we currently use. Think what Mr Gates has done to use up the abundant/free cpu cycles and RAM. Not always good/useful/desirable, but different from what we thought heavy use of computing was 30 years ago. Time was when a typewriter took no cpu cycles at all. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [SMTP:jabley(a)automagic.org] > Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 17:10 > To: Stephen Donnelly > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: Phew looks like we were lucky > > On Sunday, February 24, 2002, at 10:37 , Stephen Donnelly wrote: > > >If your question Joe is 'what is the justification for internet2?', > >then I'd say there seems to be at least two commonly cited ones. > > > >One is the use in current large applications such as 'grid' computing, > >a la DTF. Connecting super computer centres may consume a lot of > >bandwidth. Climate models, particle physics results etc. > > How much bandwidth is "a lot of bandwidth"? I see commercial providers > with multiple parallel STM-64s plumbed directly into routers either > sides of the Atlantic and the Pacific, who are struggling to attract > customers to even remotely fill the pipes. The situation in the metro > and long-haul intracontinental networks is even more fibre-rich. I don't > see a need to build another internet here -- I see a need to start using > the existing one :) > > >The other one is that the internet2 is supposed to spurr new > >application development, showing what *can* be done with huge amounts > >of bandwidth when it's available at low cost. One of the more PR > >friendly applications would probably be the 'virtual teleconferencing' > >systems, where 3d models are transmitted along with the video, allowing > >participants to be rendered in 3d at each end. (Enables you to make > >direct eye contact, surprisingly important.) > > This is the same answer as the one above, really -- "in order to obtain > more bandwidth". > Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Com Domain Names with False Details
by Craig Whitmore 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

Does anyone know what can be done about people registering .com Domain Names with False Details? Do the .com people have rules about this? Like: nzadsl.com whois: Registrant: Sludge Sludge.mistymountainhop.com Sludge, Sludge 666 SJ Domain Name: NZADSL.COM Administrative Contact: Snuffalufagus, Sludge Sludge(a)mistymountainhop.com Sludge.mistymountainhop.com Sludge, Sludge 666 SJ 1234567890 (The Details on mistymountainhop.com as the same) Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Reminder of contacts lists (NZ Noc and APE)
by Simon Lyall 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

Just a quick reminder (I keep forgetting to ask Donald to put this in his monthly mailout to the list). The New Zealand Network Operators' Contact list page has the [emergancy] contact details for most(1) New Zealand ISPs. It's online at: http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html Please email me with any corrections and updates. A web page for the Auckland Peering Exchange (APE) lists everybody (AFAIK) currently connected to it along with a contact for peering and other information. It is at: http://www.ape.net.nz/ Please email me with any corrections or updates, or fill out the web form. (1) Except Global Gateway / Netgate. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: maori.nz Request for Vote (RFV) annoucement
by David Farrar 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

Phonenet wrote: > Well that's a bit poor!! emails addresses should accept any valid character! > > >It's a bug in their PHP applet. Doesn't like email address with a hyphen > >in the host/domain part. I tried a few different address with hyphens, and > >the script choked on all. I'll check with our technical manager and see if a solution can be found. the vote is open for a couple of weeks. Thanks for finding the problem. DPF (Secretary, InternetNZ) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: maori.nz Request for Vote (RFV) annoucement
by PhoneNet 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

cc'd to the list... Well that's a bit poor!! emails addresses should accept any valid character! Thanks for the input! Ian At 14:21 23/02/02 +1300, you wrote: >On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, PhoneNet wrote: > >> Well it still won't work for me using cousins(a)cousins.in-newzealand.com and >> I get heaps of email at that address!! > >It's a bug in their PHP applet. Doesn't like email address with a hyphen >in the host/domain part. I tried a few different address with hyphens, and >the script choked on all. > >-- >Juha >Take off every sig! > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: maori.nz Request for Vote (RFV) annoucement
by David Farrar 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

Juha wrote: > On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote: > > > > > I'm totally in favour of this proposal. > > > > Imagine how it will add to the readability of the net in NZ if people > > wan have domain names like > > > > w?lc?m?.t?.m?ori.nz > > > > yeah it will be GREAT! > > > > Vote today! > > > > </tounge in cheek> > > And spelling checker up the arse? > > On a more serious note, will there be similar domains made available to > other ethnic groups in NZ? Otherwise it wouldn't be fair, would it? This is getting off topic and probably better on an InternetNZ list but I thought it was worth answering the specific question. The criteria that has been in place for new 2LDs is that they are for a distinct community of interest. So far only two communities of interest have applied in four years - bankers and the NZ Maori Internet Society (whoops actually there was an informal application from Cliff Pratt on behalf of all the Cliffs in NZ!). If other communities of interest apply there would be no barriers beyond the steps taken as part of the policy process which apply to all applications. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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More spam.
by Dean Pemberton 21 Feb '02

21 Feb '02

NZ has their very own spammers again. The funniest thing is that when I went to their website I get this Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/1.3.22 Server at topup.co.nz Port 80 NICE! =) ----- Forwarded message from "TOPUP.co.nz" <mailadmin(a)topup.co.nz> ----- Return-Path: <mailadmin(a)topup.co.nz> Delivered-To: dean(a)pure-guava.org.nz Received: (qmail 24101 invoked by uid 1004); 22 Feb 2002 05:45:46 -0000 Delivered-To: dean-fn-dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz Received: (qmail 24098 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 05:45:45 -0000 Received: from 203-167-144-184.dialup.clear.net.nz (HELO 203.167.144.184) (203.167.144.184) by wilbur.katipo.co.nz with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 05:45:45 -0000 From: "TOPUP.co.nz" <mailadmin(a)topup.co.nz> To: <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> Subject: TOPUP Online & Save! Sender: "TOPUP.co.nz" <mailadmin(a)topup.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:09:50 +1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GCMulti: 1 Lines: 34 Kia ora pre-pay phone users, You can now TOPUP your mobile for less! Just grab your credit card and visit our website today! http://www.topup.co.nz/ If you're a Telecom pre-pay user you get fantastic TOPUP prices... http://www.topup.co.nz/step1-2.php?company=t And if you're with Vodafone you get a FREE ringtone or logo too! http://www.topup.co.nz/step1-2.php?company=v TOPUP Online Today! Visit us at: http://www.topup.co.nz/ If you're not a pre-pay phone user maybe you know someone who is? Please forward this message to them today! _______________________________________________________________________ You have been sent this email because either you or someone you know gave this email address to TOPUP's creators. Our e-mails aim to inform not offend - if you would prefer not to receive them please visit the link below: http://www.topup.co.nz/process_optout.php?email=dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz _______________________________________________________________________ ----- End forwarded message ----- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Updated peering prefix list for Ihug AS7657
by Leon Chang 18 Feb '02

18 Feb '02

Hi ppl, We have a tidyed up prefix-list available, can you please update your end. Thanks, ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 5 permit 202.36.94.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 10 permit 202.37.129.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 15 permit 202.37.136.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 20 permit 202.37.182.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 22 permit 202.37.187.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 25 permit 202.37.194.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 30 permit 202.49.59.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 35 permit 202.49.88.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 40 permit 202.49.148.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 45 permit 202.49.176.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 50 permit 202.49.180.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 55 permit 202.49.186.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 60 permit 202.49.240.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 65 permit 202.49.249.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 70 permit 202.49.252.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 75 permit 202.50.84.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 80 permit 202.50.103.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 85 permit 202.50.255.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 90 permit 203.109.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 95 permit 203.173.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 100 permit 210.55.184.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 105 permit 210.55.203.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 110 permit 210.55.248.0/21 le 24 Leon Chang, CCNP, CCDP Senior Network Engineer The Internet Group Ltd. (IHUG), Auckland, New Zealand AS7657 PH: +64 9 359 2710 --------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco 2503 RAM
by Sahil Gupta 17 Feb '02

17 Feb '02

Hello there, Just wondering if a Cisco 2503 Router can accept Generic RAM? Or if anybody has 16Meg Flash? 16 Meg DRAM they feel like getting rid of? Cheers, Sahil

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Implementing QoS on a Cisco 2503 Router
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 17 Feb '02

17 Feb '02

Hello there, I was just wondering if somebody on this list would be able to guide me as to how I could implement QoS on my Cisco 2503 Router? What we need: We have several boxes colocated with us. However, we currently don't have a system in place that implements bandwith quotas on them. We need this so that we can limit down all the machines to 256k. Please let me know, if anybody knows any handy tutorials on the net? Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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SNMP V1 vulnerabilities
by Roger De Salis 14 Feb '02

14 Feb '02

If you have all your SNMP management on separate managment VLANS or firewalled off, then you are likely unaffected by this alert. You may like to update yourselves with the contents of http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-malformed-snmp-msgs-pub.shtml which has recently been released. Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco ARP takeover vulnerabilities
by Simon Blake 13 Feb '02

13 Feb '02

Hi Folks Just a quick heads up - yesterday on Citylink we had the customer of an ISP perform a very effective DOS on that ISP when the customer put the IP number of the ISP's router on to the Citylink interface of their own router. Any ISP who has a Cisco router attached to a public L2 infrastructure (such as Citylink) really needs to read the Cisco advisory: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/IOS-arp-overwrite-vuln-pub.shtml and take the appropiate precautions. Cheers Si - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domain Name Commissioner Advertisement
by David Farrar 12 Feb '02

12 Feb '02

As the odd previous job vacancy has been posted here I thought some may be interested in the job below, or have others in their company interested. DPF InternetNZ has started advertising for the new position of Domain Name Commissioner to oversee the operation of the .nz domain name registration and management system. As a new position, it will go through two phases, the first being overseeing the transition to the shared registry system for domain name registrations, and the second, being responsible for the development of and monitoring the competitive market. The notice and role description are online at http://www.internetnz.net.nz/public/committee-reports/ctte-srs- implementation/srsioc020208DN_Comissioner_notice.html Applications close on 27 February 2002 and should be sent through Sheffield Ltd. David Farrar Secretary, InternetNZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FYI: Possible Telstra bandwidth problems in Aus..
by Simon Lyall 08 Feb '02

08 Feb '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:13:49 +1100 (EST) From: Ross Wheeler <ross(a)home.albury.net.au> To: aussie-isp(a)aussie.net Subject: [Oz-ISP] Telstra minus lots of bandwidth into .au (Again) Approx 17:50 my pager started going off, seems international transit had become *real slow* all of a sudden - via both sydney and perth. Was initially unable to convince the telstra helpdesk that there was anything wrong, they tried to say of course it would be slow, the olympic games opening ceremony was on, and what else did I expect? Finally, one of their techs called, seems it had only just happened, the "cea-wea-mea-3" submarine cable was again out of service, and that they had nothing they could do about it except report it to reach.com who handle all their international links, and try to get some additional capacity via new zealand or something. I haven't seen an outage report or anything from them, I know, it's only been 90 minutes... don't rush it. Just a heads-up for those of you who have international transit via telstra to be aware. http://telstra.is.fuked.com/ shows how things are going. ---- email "unsubscribe aussie-isp" to majordomo(a)aussie.net to be removed. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Qmail problems
by James Tyson 06 Feb '02

06 Feb '02

Hi. I need to hear from anyone who has advanced qmail driving skills. We have 30k+ emails in the queue, if you want to earn some cash, and you think you can fix it then please call me on 021837867. Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT - APEC TEL 25 - invitation to join NZ delegation
by Frank March 06 Feb '02

06 Feb '02

As someone interested in the development of ecommerce and related technologies, you are invited to join the New Zealand official delegation to the 25th meeting of the APEC Telecommunications and Information Working Group which will be held in Hanoi, Vietnam from 13 to 15 March 2002. Information about the meeting is at http://www.apectel25.org.vn (this Website is updated regularly). The meeting programme will be held in conjunction with a number of associated seminars and workshops (on 11 and 12 March) which increase opportunities for making contacts and bilateral discussions. APEC TEL is one of the most productive APEC working groups and has a very strong private sector presence. It is very active in promoting electronic commerce as well as fostering projects in online security and PKI, telecommunications policy and regulation, research and educational projects and many other relevant areas. The New Zealand delegation to TEL23 in Canberra and TEL24 in Jeju, Korea included a number of private sector members as well as officials from government agencies. Please note that there is no registration fee for APEC TEL meetings and the cost of at least some meals are met by sponsors however delegates are expected to meet their own travel and accommodation costs. The delegation reports from TEL23 and TEL24 may be found at along with other information about APEC activities at http://www.ecommerce.govt.nz/ecat/knowledge/resources/resources-08.html Please contact me if you are interested in joining the delegation or if you would like any further information. And please pass this information on to anyone else you think might be interested. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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thanks
by James Tyson 06 Feb '02

06 Feb '02

thanks to everyone who responded, we seem to have things under control now (man, qmail has one thing going for it - under the right conditions it can dequeue mail *really* fast). Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Prefix list for Walker Wireless at APE & WIX route reflectors
by Richard Watson 06 Feb '02

06 Feb '02

Please note this range was previously advertised by ICONZ but now Walker Wireless is in a position to advertise this at the APE and WIX route reflectors ourselves. We're also interested in setting up peering arrangements to other service providers not currently using the APE & WIX route reflectors. ip prefix-list walkerwireless description Walker Wireless Ltd noc(a)walkerwireless.com, contact: noc(a)walkerwireless.com ip prefix-list walkerwireless seq 25 permit 202.74.192.0/20 Thank you, Richard Watson Network Infrastructure Engineer WALKER WIRELESS LIMITED Tel: +64 (9) 522 3674 Fax: +64 (9) 520 3447 Mob: +6427 286 6681 Email: rwatson(a)walkerwireless.com 0800 NO NETLAG Get high speed wireless internet and private network connectivity with Walker Wireless. Visit www.walkerwireless.com for information. The information in this electronic mail and its attachments is legally privileged and confidential. If the reader of this electronic mail and attachments is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination or reproduction of this electronic mail its contents and attachments is prohibited. This email is personal and may not reflect Walker Wireless', Walker Corporation's subsidiaries or affiliated companies' position. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Filter list updates
by James Tyson 04 Feb '02

04 Feb '02

Who thinks it would be a good idea to create a new mailling list specificially for updates of domestic peering policy and some bgp discussion that might be a little off-topic for this list? Every ISP seems to be running it's own distribution list for sending out filter list updates, and some of you might have noticed the Xtra list being hijacked for discussion the other day (snicker). Also, I don't mind hosting the list. Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Skating on thin ice....
by Roger De Salis 03 Feb '02

03 Feb '02

This is a fraction vendor centric, but since GigE is everyones choice of internal connection, at the expense of that expensive, non-shared ATM rubbish so beloved by Telcos, I thought this was pertinent enough for a slight Rog rework of the announcement. /* brevity on..... */ 10 Gigabit Ethernet Modules now on general release. Serial 1310nm 10 Gigabit Ethernet Modules for the Cat6500 /Cisco 7600 are now shipping 10 Gigabit Ethenet module based on the current IEEE 802.3ae draft. There are two versions, 10Kms SMF and 50Km SMF. /* brevity off..... */ -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nznet list
by Lin Nah 31 Jan '02

31 Jan '02

For those of you with the numberplates to sell etc please go to the alternative list set up for these things Thanks Lin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:36:59 +1200 (NZST) From: Matt Camp <gargoyle(a)noise.net.nz> Subject: Alternative List A while back an alternative list was proposed... most people seemed quite receptive to the idea... so it now exists. To subscribe, send a mail to majordomo(a)noise.net.nz with 'subscribe nznet' in the body. The alternative list is more informal, and more generally aimed at the NZ Networking industry. It may contain things such as details of used equipment for sale, and discussions which would be regarded as off topic here. Hopefully this will give us a place to discuss such things, and will keep the noise level down here somewhat. --- Matt Camp --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Jan '02

31 Jan '02

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has around 320 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities Work is no under way towards a conference and social gathering to be held in Auckland in July 2002. Speakers, organisational workers and, yes, sponsors are sought. Voice over IP, wireless networking and IPv6 seem to be among the topics in which there's most interest. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: OT : NZ Number Plate: ITGURU
by Paul Pedersen 31 Jan '02

31 Jan '02

I'm aware that this is completely the wrong forum for these discussions, but I have the plate "G33K" for sale also, I figured some list subscribers may be interested. If not, my apologies. Cheers, Paul. -----Original Message----- From: Philip Hunt [mailto:phil(a)strongnet.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 01 February, 2002 15:53 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: OT : NZ Number Plate: ITGURU NZ Number Plate for sale: http://www.itguru.nz.cx Regards, Philip Hunt Strongnet Limited Email: phil(a)team.strongnet.co.nz Web: http://www.strongnet.co.nz Tel: +64 9 4142492 Fax: +64 9 4142960 Cell: +64 21 487 479 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT: Xtra for your Packaging Needs
by Craig Whitmore (Orcon Internet) 31 Jan '02

31 Jan '02

http://www.nzchamber.co.nz/detail.cfm?site_id=16&company_id=206657393&sequen ce=1 Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT : NZ Number Plate: ITGURU
by Philip Hunt 31 Jan '02

31 Jan '02

NZ Number Plate for sale: http://www.itguru.nz.cx Regards, Philip Hunt Strongnet Limited Email: phil(a)team.strongnet.co.nz Web: http://www.strongnet.co.nz Tel: +64 9 4142492 Fax: +64 9 4142960 Cell: +64 21 487 479

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RE: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop
by Allister Clarke 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Sounds good to me as well. -----Original Message----- From: Kefyn Judson (ENZ) [mailto:kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 30 January 2002 9:48 a.m. To: 'Terence Giufre-Sweetser'; Dean Pemberton Cc: msutton(a)awacs.co.nz; NZNOG List Subject: RE: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop Sounds good to me, Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz BM__MailData-----Original Message----- From: Terence Giufre-Sweetser [ mailto:terry(a)tdce.com.au <mailto:terry(a)tdce.com.au> ] Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2002 3:24 AM To: Dean Pemberton Cc: msutton(a)awacs.co.nz; NZNOG List Subject: Re: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop > Sure - I'd be willing to help with Juniper config and examples if > people wanted to try and get multicast going. I'm sure there is > someone from Cisco who would be happy to provide the same. Can I suggest a "live lab" from the more serious vendors? Nothing like a test drive??? --- Terence C. Giufre-Sweetser +---------------------------------+--------------------------+ | TereDonn Telecommunications Ltd | Phone +61-[0]7-32369366 | | 1/128 Bowen St, SPRING HILL | FAX +61-[0]7-32369930 | | PO BOX 1054, SPRING HILL 4004 | Mobile +61-[0]414-663053 | | Queensland Australia | http://www.tdce.com.au <http://www.tdce.com.au> | +---------------------------------+--------------------------+ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Posts to the list - RE: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop
by Steve Phillips 29 Jan '02

29 Jan '02

I was not going to say anything, but this list is getting a little out of control, When posting to the list can we please, to try and keep the number of posts down, limit comments to things that are relevant to all the people on the list ? I get a huge amount of e-mail each day and simply don't need the additional comments such as this, even the comments about the conference and organisation of such conferences, while interesting, started to add so much to the noise ratio of this list that I considered unsubscribing for a month or so till it all settled down. If these subjects need to be discussed at length then it would be relatively easy to create a new temporary list to keep the non-relevant posting, or the posts that many people subscribed to this list are not interested in - off this list. (I'm sure a number of people here would be able to set such lists up at little to no notice) Sorry if I step on anyone toes by posting this, it's my opinion only :-) -- Steve ICONZ. At 09:47 30/01/2002, Kefyn Judson $ENZ$ wrote: >Sounds good to me, [snippage] -- Steve Systems Admin, ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ICONZ prefix list update
by David Fox 29 Jan '02

29 Jan '02

We wish to stop advertising one range temporarily. Would all ICONZ peering partners please execute the following: no ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 110 permit 202.74.192.0/20 FYI The complete prefix-list is: ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks description Internet Co. NZ Ltd, contact: networks(a)iconz.net ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 5 permit 138.235.0.0/16 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 10 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 15 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 20 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.21.130.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.36.32.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.36.76.0/23 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.36.157.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.37.73.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 70 permit 202.37.163.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 75 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 80 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 85 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 90 permit 202.37.232.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 95 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 100 permit 202.50.139.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 105 permit 202.50.246.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 115 permit 203.9.179.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 120 permit 203.9.180.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 125 permit 210.48.0.0/17 le 18 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 130 permit 210.54.0.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 135 permit 210.54.136.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 140 permit 210.54.140.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 145 permit 210.54.160.0/19 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 150 permit 210.55.24.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 155 permit 210.55.253.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 160 permit 210.185.16.0/20 le 21 ! I apologise for any inconvenience. Thanks David Fox Network Engineer ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 28 Jan '02

28 Jan '02

Sounds good to me, Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Terence Giufre-Sweetser [mailto:terry(a)tdce.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2002 3:24 AM To: Dean Pemberton Cc: msutton(a)awacs.co.nz; NZNOG List Subject: Re: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop > Sure - I'd be willing to help with Juniper config and examples if > people wanted to try and get multicast going. I'm sure there is > someone from Cisco who would be happy to provide the same. Can I suggest a "live lab" from the more serious vendors? Nothing like a test drive??? --- Terence C. Giufre-Sweetser +---------------------------------+--------------------------+ | TereDonn Telecommunications Ltd | Phone +61-[0]7-32369366 | | 1/128 Bowen St, SPRING HILL | FAX +61-[0]7-32369930 | | PO BOX 1054, SPRING HILL 4004 | Mobile +61-[0]414-663053 | | Queensland Australia | http://www.tdce.com.au | +---------------------------------+--------------------------+ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2002 Dates and Location
by Donald Neal 28 Jan '02

28 Jan '02

NZNOG People, UniForum NZ have announced to their members that their conference this year will run 11-14 July at a hotel near Auckland Airport. (This is the last few days of the school holidays.) The small amount of directly relevant feedback I have received suggests a preference for an event in Auckland, with some people keen to be part of a UniForum conference. Unless I hear objections from people who would otherwise attend, I intend to try to arrange for NZNOG involvement in that conference. A condition of this would be that people are able to register only for days on which NZNOG appears (though other things may well be going on at the same time). These are tentatively Thursday 11th and Friday 12th. We're not yet at the stage where registration costs can be set, but discussion on this list seems to suggest that $100/day is acceptable for those not presenting. If there are objections to this, I'd like to hear now. If not, I intend to get back this week to the people who have offered to help with a view to confirming their interest given these specific dates. It is not my intention that any detailed organisational work be done using this list, but progress announcements can be expected from time to time. Share and Enjoy! - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Where is Everyone...?
by Steve Winter 27 Jan '02

27 Jan '02

Hmmm... I think Auckland Anniversary day probably shows us where most of the people who post to this list live... :-) Cheers Steve - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Problems with XTRA MTA and routes ?
by Steve Phillips 27 Jan '02

27 Jan '02

Is mta.xtra having problems internationally at the moment ? just de-queueing around 335 messages via our auckland based mail hub to mta.xtra from our US based machine at the moment as mta.xtra is unreachable from our US machine. kappa:/etc/mail 11:45pm # traceroute mta.xtra.co.nz traceroute to mta.xtra.co.nz (203.96.92.132), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 master-gw.lm.net (205.201.1.1) 6.874 ms 10.661 ms 4.133 ms 2 66.45.41.149 (66.45.41.149) 2.492 ms 1.764 ms 1.437 ms 3 66.45.41.34 (66.45.41.34) 1.438 ms 1.768 ms 1.446 ms 4 66.179.13.1 (66.179.13.1) 1.43 ms 1.776 ms 1.45 ms 5 12.125.143.141 (12.125.143.141) 12.954 ms 12.176 ms 11.987 ms 6 gbr2-p100.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.123.5.78) 11.965 ms 13.94 ms 16.778 ms 7 tbr2-p013502.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.11.49) 35.981 ms 14.946 ms 13.501 ms 8 ggr1-p3100.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.11.210) 12.168 ms 12.343 ms 12.293 ms 9 so3-0-0-622M.br2.CHI1.glbx.net (208.51.6.25) 15.089 ms 18.19 ms 12.72 ms 10 pos6-0-2488M.cr2.CHI1.gblx.net (208.49.59.209) 13.423 ms 12.939 ms 12.548 ms 11 * * * . . . -- Steve Systems Admin, ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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more topic possibilities
by Dean Pemberton 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

How about: "Underground wireless: Building free community based networks with 802.11" - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT: Peering in Australia
by David Anso 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

Hi all I have a service that I want to to provide to NZ and Australia only. If I peer at APE and/or WIX I should be able to cover most of the New Zealand Internet community. Does anyone know where I would peer in Australia to achieve connectivity to the majority of the Australian Internet Community? Do the Australian Peering Exchanges have the same sort of coverage as the New Zealand ones? -- David Anso Systems Administrator Zip Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Radius - MRTG
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

Does anybody around here know much about using SNMP/MRTG with IC-RADIUS? Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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