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NZNOG Conference 2002: Further Feedback
by Donald Neal 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

NZNOG People, OK, I asked for further feedback and now I've got some. Quite a lot actually. With a certain amount of interpretation on my part (e.g. all cases of "I'll bring along some other people" interpreted as "I'll bring along one other person"), I believe that we have something like this: Potential attendees volunteering: 21 Potential attendees volunteered by others: 7 Offers to provide or be speaker(s): 7 Offer to help organise speakers: 1 Offers to help organise: 5 Offers of venue: 4 Offer of sponsorship (i.e. money): 1 Offer of exhibition network equipment: 1 There have been relatively few statements of preference as to location: Auckland: 3 Wellington: 3 With UniForum NZ: 2 Hawke's Bay: 1 Outside Auckland and Wellington: 1 Interpreting the comments of two University of Waikato staff as votes for Hamilton would not clarify that picture any. I'm impressed. All of that in three days. We do appear to have enough interest to justify proceeding to planning a specific event. In doing that we face a number of inter-related decisions. 1/ Do we wish to restrict this to one day, or are we looking for a residential conference? I think this is the most important of the decisions. It has implications for cost, obviously, but also for where we do this and what sort of organisational structure is needed. A residential conference should probably be outside (though within reach of) Auckland or Wellington to keep costs down and to reduce the temptation to go back to work. Conversely, that can be expected to make it harder for some people to attend. I'm assuming that we do want a national event rather than local meetings over drinks, but if that's not the case, now's the time to say so. I'm also assuming that multicasting is an add-on to a physical event, not a substitute for one. 2/ Are we happy to have a vendor provide a venue? There has been at least one quite feasible, as well as generous, offer from a vendor. Whether this is even an issue depends on the answer to the previous question. 3/ How often are we planning to do this? Should we be thinking big on the basis that this is a once-a-year thing, or are we trying to keep the scale down so that it will be repeatable more often? This is closely related to cost, in money and time to organise. See also question 1. 4/ How much emphasis do we want to place on construction of a laboratory/exhibition network as opposed to paper sessions? More hands-on fiddling means the option of having attendees have stuff explained to them as they do it, but requires a longer event. My Opinion: "The opinions expressed in this programme are bloody good ones." - F. Dagg I wish us to be very conservative in what we expect from the team of people we put together to organise this. I believe that if we choose a residential event we should piggyback it into UniForum NZ's event and seek to have them do a fair amount of the work for us. Conversely, if we choose a one-day event we should seek to cooperate with a host organisation - whether an education institution or a company - while ensuring that a NZNOG committee (yes, sorry, it has come to that) retains control over the programme. In either case a certain amount of exposure for vendors is to be expected. As to frequency, I'm inclined to go for as large an event as we think we can manage, and worry about the next one after we've learned about running one. Others may think differently. I believe that the composition of the committee/team/chain gang will vary depending on exactly what we're trying to achieve. So I'd like to see some discussion of these questions, and others that seem relevant _to potential attendees_ before we try to work out who's going to be asked to take the next steps. I'd hope for some clearer idea of where we're going within the next few days. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Fwd: Re: Conference
by Michael Hallager 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

This was found in the header of Andy's email: X-Authentication-Warning: kiwi.wise.net.nz: Host dup-200-64-243-2.prodigy.net.mx [200.64.243.2] claimed to be [192.168.1.25] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: agardner(a)wise.net.nz And he has at least 3 different email addresses/domain names. - agardner(a)wise.net.nz - andy(a)navigator.co.nz - And where does "kiwiwise.net.nz" fit into all of this? He calls me a girl, idiot, a w**ker and a nazi for running MY OWN mail server as I see fit. "If you can't handle deleting 30 mail messages a day, you're a GIRL" "On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Andy Gardner wrote: > What an idiot/nazi/wanker. And a GIRL to boot!"...... And he makes threats: "I'm shaking in my boots. Wait until the media hears that you're willing to block mail to all of your clients based on one message that YOU didn't like. What an idiot/nazi/wanker" ------------------------------------------------------- I think I will ignore them all. (Jeff and Andy G and Andy L) At 7:23 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote: >Jeff has raised a very good point. I would like to apologise to the >people organising the conference for making a comment without >also providing an idea/contribution. Please don't respond to Jeff, it only encourages him. <SNIP> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff makes the rules in his fantasy world. He has created this INEG 'Role Playing Game' in which he is using various mail lists as suppliers of other unsuspecting players :-) Correspondents are simply unwittingly (or wittingly in some cases) playing Jeff's game. I attach the latest version of the Jeff William's FAQ for archival purposes. Cheers, Darrell -------- Jeff Williams' FAQ. (00/02) -- 1. Who is Jeff Williams? Jeffrey A. Williams, <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com>, has claimed in postings to various lists: -- to be the Chief Executive Officer and the Co-Founder of the 4.8 billion dollar privately held employee owned INEG. INC -- to be the Director of Internet Network Engineering and Senior Java/CORBA Engineer for the Information Network Engineering Group, INEG INC. -- to be an ex-IBM Fellow, -- to have to have graduated from UTD and to have a law degree from SMU Law School -- to have three degrees, MBA, Masters in Computer Science and Engineering, and Law -- to have served as a judge for 7 years -- to be a member of the IETF -- to serve on several medium sized business boards and on the boards of several banks -- to be the author of two books and is working on a third -- to own 3 ISPs, including Frisco net, Deltanet and Wiltel, with 1.6 million users -- to own 8% of eBay -- to have been a fighter pilot with USMC, flying missions in Chile and for the DEA, as a reserve pilot in the USMC, stationed out of Grand Prairie air station just south of Dallas -- to have been acting squadron commander of the Marine combat F4 squadron VMF214 (Black Sheep) at Tan Son Nhut during the Viet Nam war -- to have spent several years in NIS (Naval Investigative Service) -- Graduate of Naval Staff & War College -- Retired Colonel, United States Marine Corps However, -- Jeff's 'INEG. INC' does not exist except as a fantasy in Jeff Williams' mind. -- Jeff changed the name of the company in his .sig, in Jan 1998, from 'Information Eng. Group' to Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC., when the real Information Engineering Group <http://www.ieg-america.com/>, became aware of Jeff's use of their name. -- SMU Law School Registrar's office, (214) 768-2618, disclaims all knowledge of Jeff. Jeffrey A. Williams is a fake and an imposter. -- 2. Is there other material available on Jeff Williams? http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05347.html -- a posting regarding Jeff's non-relationship with IEG. He changed the name of his 'company' on his .sig from IEG to INEG shortly afterwards. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html -- a posting by Frederic Wilf regarding Jeff's claim to have attended SMU. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05525.html -- a posting by Kent Crispin commenting on Jeff's claims. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08000.html -- a list of Jeff's claims to 1998 by Alex Kamantauskas. http://web.archive.org/web/20000707224140/http://robin.fcn.net/mr99jeff.html an account of Bob Allisat's hour long phone call with Jeff and subsequent events. http://web.archive.org/web/20000616115116/http://robin.fcn.net/mr99ronydebu… an account of Ellen Rony's attempt to attend Jeff's INEG Dallas conference. http://www.fichtner.net/outlook/1999-01.html -- a German reporter's article on Jeff... written in German, use http://babelfish.altavista.com/ if you don't read German. Note, Jeff also posts under the following personas and email addresses; David "Dude" Jenson <Dnsipv6(a)aol.com> and James Touton <jim.touton(a)netzero.net>. [Added by WXW, he also posts as Brian Hollingsworth and Bob Davis] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In addition to this, we also have some local content on Jeff, in the IDNO-DISCUSS archives, where him and I had a conversation regarding NZ's Internet infrastructure. During this conversation he claimed: 1. To have a 668 GigaBit satellite uplink from his laptop 2. To INEGroup having offices in NZ, with a Sbone connection to the Internet. 3. To INEGroup doing business in Chile, and having an Sbone connection to the Internet in Santiago. JW's a flake. If everyone here agrees to stop replying to him (or better yet, filter him), he'll soon get bored and go play in another sandpit. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog At 7:23 PM +1300 1/22/02, Michael Hallager wrote: >Jeff has raised a very good point. I would like to apologise to the >people organising the conference for making a comment without >also providing an idea/contribution. Please don't respond to Jeff, it only encourages him. Courtesy of Darrell Greenwood: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff makes the rules in his fantasy world. He has created this INEG 'Role Playing Game' in which he is using various mail lists as suppliers of other unsuspecting players :-) Correspondents are simply unwittingly (or wittingly in some cases) playing Jeff's game. I attach the latest version of the Jeff William's FAQ for archival purposes. Cheers, Darrell -------- Jeff Williams' FAQ. (00/02) -- 1. Who is Jeff Williams? Jeffrey A. Williams, <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com>, has claimed in postings to various lists: -- to be the Chief Executive Officer and the Co-Founder of the 4.8 billion dollar privately held employee owned INEG. INC -- to be the Director of Internet Network Engineering and Senior Java/CORBA Engineer for the Information Network Engineering Group, INEG INC. -- to be an ex-IBM Fellow, -- to have to have graduated from UTD and to have a law degree from SMU Law School -- to have three degrees, MBA, Masters in Computer Science and Engineering, and Law -- to have served as a judge for 7 years -- to be a member of the IETF -- to serve on several medium sized business boards and on the boards of several banks -- to be the author of two books and is working on a third -- to own 3 ISPs, including Frisco net, Deltanet and Wiltel, with 1.6 million users -- to own 8% of eBay -- to have been a fighter pilot with USMC, flying missions in Chile and for the DEA, as a reserve pilot in the USMC, stationed out of Grand Prairie air station just south of Dallas -- to have been acting squadron commander of the Marine combat F4 squadron VMF214 (Black Sheep) at Tan Son Nhut during the Viet Nam war -- to have spent several years in NIS (Naval Investigative Service) -- Graduate of Naval Staff & War College -- Retired Colonel, United States Marine Corps However, -- Jeff's 'INEG. INC' does not exist except as a fantasy in Jeff Williams' mind. -- Jeff changed the name of the company in his .sig, in Jan 1998, from 'Information Eng. Group' to Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC., when the real Information Engineering Group <http://www.ieg-america.com/>, became aware of Jeff's use of their name. -- SMU Law School Registrar's office, (214) 768-2618, disclaims all knowledge of Jeff. Jeffrey A. Williams is a fake and an imposter. -- 2. Is there other material available on Jeff Williams? http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05347.html -- a posting regarding Jeff's non-relationship with IEG. He changed the name of his 'company' on his .sig from IEG to INEG shortly afterwards. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05398.html -- a posting by Frederic Wilf regarding Jeff's claim to have attended SMU. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/05525.html -- a posting by Kent Crispin commenting on Jeff's claims. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08000.html -- a list of Jeff's claims to 1998 by Alex Kamantauskas. http://web.archive.org/web/20000707224140/http://robin.fcn.net/mr99jeff.html an account of Bob Allisat's hour long phone call with Jeff and subsequent events. http://web.archive.org/web/20000616115116/http://robin.fcn.net/mr99ronydebu… .html an account of Ellen Rony's attempt to attend Jeff's INEG Dallas conference. http://www.fichtner.net/outlook/1999-01.html -- a German reporter's article on Jeff... written in German, use http://babelfish.altavista.com/ if you don't read German. Note, Jeff also posts under the following personas and email addresses; David "Dude" Jenson <Dnsipv6(a)aol.com> and James Touton <jim.touton(a)netzero.net>. [Added by WXW, he also posts as Brian Hollingsworth and Bob Davis] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In addition to this, we also have some local content on Jeff, in the IDNO-DISCUSS archives, where him and I had a conversation regarding NZ's Internet infrastructure. During this conversation he claimed: 1. To have a 668 GigaBit satellite uplink from his laptop 2. To INEGroup having offices in NZ, with a Sbone connection to the Internet. 3. To INEGroup doing business in Chile, and having an Sbone connection to the Internet in Santiago. JW's a flake. If everyone here agrees to stop replying to him (or better yet, filter him), he'll soon get bored and go play in another sandpit. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog ------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Conference
by Michael Hallager 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

Hi all, I would like to confirm my interest in the conference. However I am somewhat sick and tired of the large amount of E-Mail this has generated in my inbox. (30+ messages per day). I would anticipate attending the conference to learn more about something, however I would prefer that the minority who wish to have a protracted debate on what this "something" is could do so in private, and then when they have made their mind up- then send the ideas to the list. Any comments? Based on what I have seen, I would like to learm more about the cable network setup/s. (As covered in recent posts). Beyond that, I am happy with whatever else. Hence, I only need one email to express my interest. Best regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Idiots @ Consumers Institute
by Michael Hallager 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

Hi all, I am sorry for calling them idiots. I still mantain that they are misguided and should consider the issue more carefully lest their point of view seem to be unbalanced and/or mistaken. Michael Hallager On Wednesday 23 January 2002 09:23, you wrote: > Its proberly not a good idea to call them idiots on a public mailing list > :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Hallager" <michael(a)comsolve.net.nz> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:31 PM > Subject: Idiots @ Consumers Institute > > > Hi all, > > > > Here is another example of those "holier than thou" idiots at the > > Consumers > > > Institute making official type/sounding comments on stuff they know > > nothing > > > about: > > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311&thesection=techno >l ogy&thesubsection=general > > > I assume that these are the same people who love "cheap" Internet > > Access, while forgetting the price/performance equation. Now they > > seek to put even more burden on the average low/no-profit ISP. > > > > Sorta reminds me of the show "Target" a little while back. Their > > technical xpurt amounted to no more than a television presenter/actor and > > their "investigations" for the most part are highly questionable in > > regards to honest and accurate reporting IMHO. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Michael Hallager > > > > Managing Director > > Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited > > E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz > > Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz > > > > Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Gotta love the pollies
by Ted Grenfell 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

At 09:43 22/01/2002, Matthew Poole wrote: >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311 > >" Residential internet users who suffer email delays, network outages or >slow connection speeds will gain the right of redress against service >providers under a proposed law change." > >This law will hold ISPs liable for delays in e-mail delivery even when the >delays are associated with a remote network over which the ISP has no >control. >I believe that at this point we start talking of concerted information >campaigns aimed at those wonderful employees of ours, to get this >particular section of the law ammended or removed. InternetNZ has made a submission to the Govt. on this topic. Members can view the submission from "What's Hot" at http://www.internetnz.net.nz/whats-hot-index.html -- Ted Grenfell Network Operations Manager, Xtra Limited Mob +64 25 435 455; DDI +64 9 359 5854; Fax +64 9 362 8007 Level 14, Xtra Central, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland This email is for the person(s) identified above, and is confidential to the sender and the person(s). No one else is authorised to use or disseminate this email or its contents. The email or its contents do not necessarily represent the views of Xtra Limited or Telecom. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Idiots @ Consumers Institute
by Michael Hallager 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

Hi all, Here is another example of those "holier than thou" idiots at the Consumers Institute making official type/sounding comments on stuff they know nothing about: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311&thesection=techno… I assume that these are the same people who love "cheap" Internet Access, while forgetting the price/performance equation. Now they seek to put even more burden on the average low/no-profit ISP. Sorta reminds me of the show "Target" a little while back. Their technical xpurt amounted to no more than a television presenter/actor and their "investigations" for the most part are highly questionable in regards to honest and accurate reporting IMHO. Best regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Updated topic list.
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

Good stack in the ground. We can help here as well. Could contribute to the VoIP, TelstraClear MAN and QoS. Also, Wireless. Kefyn -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2002 5:19 p.m. To: NZNOG List Subject: Updated topic list. Ok - I'm using the list that Andreas sent out as a basis for this. I'm unsure if the Contributors lines were people who had expressed an interest to present - or who people WANTED to present. So I'm going to split them up, into offered/wanted. ############################################ - Wireless beyond 2.4 GHz - Wireless Network Security Issues - Network Sniffing demo. - Free Community Wireless *Interest in this has been expressed* Contributors: Offered to present: Dean Pemberton Wanted to see present: Anyone who has built or wants to build a free community wireless network. People from WalkerWireless or Citylink about their plans to use wireless to take over the world. ############################################ - Voice over IP - end-user telephony and Toll-bypass *Much interest expressed* Contributors: Wanted to see present: Cisco Citylink Any of the telco's if they are thinking of offering VoiP gateways. ############################################ - Security and Abuse - SPAM - SOP6 and freedom on the net - DDoS attacks *Much interest in DDos - less in Spam and SOP6* Contributors: YOUR NAME HERE! Wanted to see present: Any company doing DDoS detection work ############################################ - MPLS (Intro/overview) - rfc2547bis MPLS VPN's *Didn't see much interest, flagged for deletion ############################################ - OSPF/ISIS/BGP (anything that people want to know) *Some interest but not a whole lot* In order for this to go ahead I need some more scope. What do people want to know? Contributors: Offered: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - IPv6. Migration strategies *Hot topic. Seems to be what people want to see. Contributors: Offered to present: Dean Pemberton Wanted to see present but have not offered yet: Anyone doing v6 in NZ. Anyone with real world experience in migration issues. ############################################ - Multicast (MSDP, DNS as the roll of RP) Contributors: Offered to present: Mike Sutton Dean Pemberton Wanted to see present but have not offered yet: Citylink if they have any plans to Multicast content over the wgth fiber. Other people with multicast plans/experience. ############################################ - Local loop unbundling -- technical feasibility study Contributors: Offered: Citylink (Richard Naylor) ############################################ - Fibre MAN's, both Ethernet and DWDM Contributors: Would like to see: Citylink Telstra Clear Cisco ############################################ - QoS *Interest shown* Contributors: Offered: Dean Pemberton Would like to see: Anyone doing QoS in thier network ############################################ -Network Analysis/Network Monitoring Contributors Offered: Waikato Uni - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Gotta love the pollies
by David Farrar 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

> > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311 > > " Residential internet users who suffer email delays, network outages or > slow connection speeds will gain the right of redress against service > providers under a proposed law change." > > This law will hold ISPs liable for delays in e-mail delivery even when the > delays are associated with a remote network over which the ISP has no > control. > I believe that at this point we start talking of concerted information > campaigns aimed at those wonderful employees of ours, to get this > particular section of the law ammended or removed. InternetNZ (or more specifically its Vice-President Rick Shera) noticed a few days ago the possible ramifications of the law where ISPs can be caught in the middle between telcos and customers. Rick has put in a submission to the select cmte. ISPs and others could ask the Cmte Clerk if they can put in a late submission (they were due in by 15th). The Clerk is Marie Alexander, e-mail: SC-Commerce(a)parliament.govt.nz and phone: 64 4 471 9532. InternetNZ will make an oral submission on the bill also. Possibly an interested ISP could ask to be part of the delegation (adds credibility to have actual ISP there). Any examples etc of how this will unfairly penalise ISPs for things not under their control could forward such material onto Rick or Sue Leader. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Gotta love the pollies
by Matthew Poole 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=787311 " Residential internet users who suffer email delays, network outages or slow connection speeds will gain the right of redress against service providers under a proposed law change." This law will hold ISPs liable for delays in e-mail delivery even when the delays are associated with a remote network over which the ISP has no control. I believe that at this point we start talking of concerted information campaigns aimed at those wonderful employees of ours, to get this particular section of the law ammended or removed. -- Matthew Poole "Ever wondered why cemetaries raise the cost of burials then blame it on the cost of living?" - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: (Cheap) Wireless bridging options ?
by Simon Byrnand 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

[snip] >So I seem to have a few options: [snip] >4) Something else ? One other possibility is some kind of tunnel to send the "bridged" traffic over a routed connection, but I'm not sure what software (in Linux) I'd need to do that....(if it exists) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far]
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

I will volenteer to help. Call me conservative, but I would like to see a very successful small gathering that leaves us all wanting more (option1) rather than a large event that burns out the organisers, pauper the participants and satisfies no-one. I guess I am of the walk before you run camp. KJ -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2002 3:06 p.m. To: asjl(a)lionra.net.nz Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far] >>> "Andy Linton" <asjl(a)lionra.net.nz> 01/14/02 01:44 >>> [...] >> So far, what feedback to the list there has been on format suggests >> that we're looking for a two-day residential event. If that is some sort >> of consensus, then I agree that it's time to think about content, but >> I'd like a more general organising group rather than merely a program >> committee, since decisions do need to be made about things like the >> venue and the price. Right now, I'd like more feedback to allow us to >> judge whether that is indeed a consensus view. >Well if that's the consensus view that what we want is a two-day >residential event and given Roger de Salis's insights into organising >something of this scale for Uniforum then we'll be lucky to get it running >until the end of the year. >If that's the case why don't we all agree to go to the Uniforum conference >in July - they've already done the work setting all that up. If enough of >us agree to go, we can arrange with them to provide a separate room to run >a Network stream in and piggy back on everything they've already >organised. That way we get to focus on content. Fair enough. I think we have from here four options. 1/ Organise something small. I'm not hearing any clear enthusiasm for that. 2/ Seek to have a stand-alone event organised by somebody else. The University of Waikato have made a credible offer to do this. They have experience of event organisation and have a venue which is likely to be suitable. We could accept that offer, or 3/ it may be possible to persuade one of the companies which have offered to assist with organisation to take on a primary role in that work. My impression is that NANOG rotate organisational work among a variety of corporate "hosts" as their gatherings move to different North American centres. 4/ Run an event within a larger event. In practice for this year this would mean the UniForum NZ conference. This is scheduled (with a final choice of hotel pending) to take place in Auckland in early to mid July. (The school holidays run 29 June - 14 July.) The convenor has suggested that NZNOG run a stream over a Thursday and Friday, with format and room requirements negotiable. The main conference seems likely to run Thursday - Sunday. There would be an option for people to register only for the Thursday and Friday. In any case, we would be aiming to keep under the sort of cost figure Roger De Salis has mentioned. I believe we could now proceed by accepting one of options 1, 2 or 4 and at the same time appoint a group of people to liaise with others involved and to coordinate a programme. Or we could appoint a group and leave the choice among options 2, 3 and 4 to them. Thoughts? Volunteers? - Donald Neal This is not a private communication. -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================ == - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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test
by Mark Foster 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

Just testing to see if this is going to go through, since it seems theres some mail delivery lag going on.. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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(Cheap) Wireless bridging options ?
by Simon Byrnand 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

Hi Wireless guru's (he says hopefully :) In the next month or so I'm in need of a simple Wireless Bridge setup to temporarily Bridge the Ethernet's of two buildings for about 2 days. The distance is under 500 metres, and it must be bridged, not routed. I already have on hand a variety of old and new 802.11b wireless gear (Lucent/Orinoco) so I'd like to use what I have if possible. In particular I've got a couple of Lucent Wavepoint-II access points sitting around spare. The catch is that the normal access point firmware will not bridge between two access points, it will only connect to client stations. The client cards I have are also Lucent (Silver) cards, and those cannot do bridging as a client, as either the driver or firmware (probably the firmware) on the card doesn't allow it. (Believe me, I've tried, unless I've missed some trick :-) So I seem to have a few options: 1) Get the "Remote Outdoor Router" firmware and enabling keys for both access points - this would allow them to bridge two networks, but the cost is high - a bit of searching on the net and the lowest price I could find was around $800 NZ *each*. ~ $1600 for something that is only going to be needed for a couple of days is out of the question. 2) Some trick to be able to bridge with a Silver card being used in a "client" role. (No luck finding anything yet) 3) Abandon the Lucent cards and find some other card whose drivers allow bridging, and set up a linux machine (or linux boot disk) that will bridge between that card and the ethernet. Assuming the brand of card will connect to the Lucent Access point, the access point can do the bridging at the other end. If that wouldn't work, I'd need two of that kind of card and two PC's...(the PC's and the Linux boot disk aren't a problem, I'm pretty fluent in Linux) 4) Something else ? Any suggestions from those a bit more versed in Wireless techniques gratefully received.. Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Wanted!
by Michael Hallager 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

Hi all, I would like to purchase a link (256k?) with IP addresses from an ISP with an ATM located in the Auckland area. Virtual ISP's and those reselling other's services (IOW: Do not own their own infastructure) need not apply. Also, this is not to be confused with a post that I made, of a similar nature, but for a different requirement, about 3 months ago. I can be contacted in confidence via E-Mail. Please include your contact details. Best regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NASA Television Streaming - Multicast or Unicast
by WALLY 19 Jan '02

19 Jan '02

Hello All, I've been trying to stream NASA Television into our television repeater CH 39 UHF here in Auckland for some time now. This will reduce the potential risk of radio hams losing CH 39 UHF. Raido Hams have recently lost 440 MHz to 449.750 MHz our previous TV reapeater input frequency. I know that the CH 39 UHF power levels are low with new linking equiptment being constructed and purchased.A power up grade is on the cards also. We have a high power broadcast tv transmitter but nowhere to install it without complaints (resource consents, power and site costs etc).We are unable to run this high power transmitter at our current site as there is no room for it. The club arrangement is a non profit order.This is a problem also. I hope this year will be an expansion year for CH 39 UHF. Currently we are under pressure such as the MED,RSM UHF TV call to for expressions of interest for community tv licences (CH 35 to 42).The other option is to apply for an ad-hoc licence after the first round of community licences have been let.If there are any left.Yes,ad-hoc as the MED,RSM call it. Link to MED. http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/licensing/uhftveoi.html NASATV cannot be pulled off direct satellite here in New. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Multicasting I've not had the support from large ISPs to accomodate this. The CH 39 UHF Television Radio Ham exercise runs at low cost. Were trying to promote NASATV and encourage the public of all ages to get educated and have fun on the internet and internet ham radio. NASATV has many web sites constantly informing the world wide public to gain access and learn something in their lives.These web sites are often transmitted via CH 39 UHF and hopefully promote and encourage people to become aware of the need to have internet comunications.Get connected and live again. I see this as a win,win for all. 7kbps to 13kbps is not what broadband is about.The buffering is on and off constantly. My Jetstart service has some what been reduced ( some services disabled,Load Balancing ,IP assend IP desend,Multicasting disabled etc ). I have two Jetstart accounts with Telecom Xtra. All I really need is a quality multicast connection at no less than 64kbps.I can't de-compress 28kbps well enough to an acceptable level,tv-out full screen etc.100Kbps is even better but too costly at present.300kbps flys and de-compresses well.Its very expensive and still stops and starts with no connection or 7kbps to 16kbps with no picture and audio breaking up. Whats missing in customer contracts is the information disclosing what features (hardware or filters and services) are disabled or dis-allowed.A customer believes that they are purchasing full access to where they intend to connect. Thanks all, Wally Muzyka, Radio Ham ZL1VWM, NASATV Supporter. Email: zl1vwm(a)xtra.co.nz PS: The Auckland VHF Group club rooms can be made available for a group of say up to fifty people if you get stuck sorting out a place for your first NZNOG Conference.It's in Hazel Ave,Mt Roskill.The building is of school class room size sited on the Council Reserve.I know of another radio ham Simon from Cisco who may wish to rally up support for NZNOG.There are other radio hams that work in the IP industry also.Would you like to invite them to NZNOG Conference also or have a closed meeting instead.

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mailing list request
by zl1vwm＠xtra.co.nz 19 Jan '02

19 Jan '02

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Fwd: Re: Updated topic list.
by Mark Foster 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Oops, forgot reply-all... >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:58:38 +1300 >To: Lin Nah <lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz> >From: Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> >Subject: Re: Updated topic list. > >Seconded. Any objections? ;) > > > >At 13:07 19/01/2002 +1300, you wrote: > >>On 16 Jan 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote: >> >> > Ok - I'm using the list that Andreas sent out as a basis for this. >> > I'm unsure if the Contributors lines were people who had expressed an >> > interest to present - or who people WANTED to present. So I'm going to >> > split them up, into offered/wanted. >> >>Nominate Dean for NZNOG Conference Content coordinator? >> >>Lin >> >>- >>To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>where the body of your message reads: >>unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Updated topic list.
by Dean Pemberton 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Ok - I'm using the list that Andreas sent out as a basis for this. I'm unsure if the Contributors lines were people who had expressed an interest to present - or who people WANTED to present. So I'm going to split them up, into offered/wanted. ############################################ - Wireless beyond 2.4 GHz - Wireless Network Security Issues - Network Sniffing demo. - Free Community Wireless *Interest in this has been expressed* Contributors: Offered to present: Dean Pemberton Wanted to see present: Anyone who has built or wants to build a free community wireless network. People from WalkerWireless or Citylink about their plans to use wireless to take over the world. ############################################ - Voice over IP - end-user telephony and Toll-bypass *Much interest expressed* Contributors: Wanted to see present: Cisco Citylink Any of the telco's if they are thinking of offering VoiP gateways. ############################################ - Security and Abuse - SPAM - SOP6 and freedom on the net - DDoS attacks *Much interest in DDos - less in Spam and SOP6* Contributors: YOUR NAME HERE! Wanted to see present: Any company doing DDoS detection work ############################################ - MPLS (Intro/overview) - rfc2547bis MPLS VPN's *Didn't see much interest, flagged for deletion ############################################ - OSPF/ISIS/BGP (anything that people want to know) *Some interest but not a whole lot* In order for this to go ahead I need some more scope. What do people want to know? Contributors: Offered: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - IPv6. Migration strategies *Hot topic. Seems to be what people want to see. Contributors: Offered to present: Dean Pemberton Wanted to see present but have not offered yet: Anyone doing v6 in NZ. Anyone with real world experience in migration issues. ############################################ - Multicast (MSDP, DNS as the roll of RP) Contributors: Offered to present: Mike Sutton Dean Pemberton Wanted to see present but have not offered yet: Citylink if they have any plans to Multicast content over the wgth fiber. Other people with multicast plans/experience. ############################################ - Local loop unbundling -- technical feasibility study Contributors: Offered: Citylink (Richard Naylor) ############################################ - Fibre MAN's, both Ethernet and DWDM Contributors: Would like to see: Citylink Telstra Clear Cisco ############################################ - QoS *Interest shown* Contributors: Offered: Dean Pemberton Would like to see: Anyone doing QoS in thier network ############################################ -Network Analysis/Network Monitoring Contributors Offered: Waikato Uni - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far]
by Donald Neal 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

>>> "Andy Linton" <asjl(a)lionra.net.nz> 01/14/02 01:44 >>> [...] >> So far, what feedback to the list there has been on format suggests >> that we're looking for a two-day residential event. If that is some sort >> of consensus, then I agree that it's time to think about content, but >> I'd like a more general organising group rather than merely a program >> committee, since decisions do need to be made about things like the >> venue and the price. Right now, I'd like more feedback to allow us to >> judge whether that is indeed a consensus view. >Well if that's the consensus view that what we want is a two-day >residential event and given Roger de Salis's insights into organising >something of this scale for Uniforum then we'll be lucky to get it running >until the end of the year. >If that's the case why don't we all agree to go to the Uniforum conference >in July - they've already done the work setting all that up. If enough of >us agree to go, we can arrange with them to provide a separate room to run >a Network stream in and piggy back on everything they've already >organised. That way we get to focus on content. Fair enough. I think we have from here four options. 1/ Organise something small. I'm not hearing any clear enthusiasm for that. 2/ Seek to have a stand-alone event organised by somebody else. The University of Waikato have made a credible offer to do this. They have experience of event organisation and have a venue which is likely to be suitable. We could accept that offer, or 3/ it may be possible to persuade one of the companies which have offered to assist with organisation to take on a primary role in that work. My impression is that NANOG rotate organisational work among a variety of corporate "hosts" as their gatherings move to different North American centres. 4/ Run an event within a larger event. In practice for this year this would mean the UniForum NZ conference. This is scheduled (with a final choice of hotel pending) to take place in Auckland in early to mid July. (The school holidays run 29 June - 14 July.) The convenor has suggested that NZNOG run a stream over a Thursday and Friday, with format and room requirements negotiable. The main conference seems likely to run Thursday - Sunday. There would be an option for people to register only for the Thursday and Friday. In any case, we would be aiming to keep under the sort of cost figure Roger De Salis has mentioned. I believe we could now proceed by accepting one of options 1, 2 or 4 and at the same time appoint a group of people to liaise with others involved and to coordinate a programme. Or we could appoint a group and leave the choice among options 2, 3 and 4 to them. Thoughts? Volunteers? - Donald Neal This is not a private communication. -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Configuring Ethernet Sub-Interface on a Cisco 2503?
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Hello there, We currently peer to 2 providers. We have several SubNets of I.P's from them. Currently the Ethernet0 Interface of our Cisco Router handles all the I.P. Addresses. I was wondering if somebody here could advise me on how to create separate Sub-Interfaces for theses like we have with the Serial Interfaces. Our Ethernet Interface looks slightly like this at the moment: interface Ethernet0 description CISCO ROUTER ip address x.x.x.x x.x.x.x ip address x.x.x.x x.x.x.x secondary ip address x.x.x.x x.x.x.x secondary no ip directed-broadcast I wish to split these up into 3 Sub-Interfaces. That way, it'll make it far easier to Graph Bandwith etc. Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference2002: F eedback So Far]
by Allister Clarke 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

Did not check my spelling/grammar ... Long days at the moment :-) I am supporting a NZAEE conference! Allister. -----Original Message----- From: Allister Clarke Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 4:07 p.m. To: 'David Robb'; Dean Pemberton Cc: NZNOG List Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference2002: F eedback So Far] I am keen for those topics. I am ask again ... Who here has CCNA or CCDA? Lindsay has lots of CC**. Another person said they have CCNA. Allister BSc - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference2002: F eedback So Far]
by Allister Clarke 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

I am keen for those topics. I am ask again ... Who here has CCNA or CCDA? Lindsay has lots of CC**. Another person said they have CCNA. Allister BSc -----Original Message----- From: David Robb [mailto:ender(a)paradise.gen.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2002 7:29 p.m. To: Dean Pemberton Cc: NZNOG List Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference2002: Feedback So Far] On 16 Jan 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote: > We have thusfar had a few people interested in Wireless, A few in > DDos, and a few in Multicast. All in all about 10 people. This does > not a conference make. Well so as to add my vote, I'd be interested in Wireless, Neighbourhood networking, IPv6, and Multicasting (having been involved in all of the above to various extents). Hmm. IPv6 multicast over a wireless neighbourhood network anyone? :) --David Robb - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Julian Angelo
by Donald Neal 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

>>> "Matthew Poole" <matthew.poole(a)attica.co.nz> 01/18/02 08:52 >>> >Just curious if anything more has been heard about Mr Angelo's supposed >approach to the Privacy Comission regarding the archives of this list >concerning him? >Donald? The meddling Dr Joe? Anybody? I have said that I will inform the list if I hear from the Office of the Privacy Commissioner. That assurance stands. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Julian Angelo
by Matthew Poole 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

Just curious if anything more has been heard about Mr Angelo's supposed approach to the Privacy Comission regarding the archives of this list concerning him? Donald? The meddling Dr Joe? Anybody? -- Matthew Poole "Ever wondered why cemetaries raise the cost of burials then blame it on the cost of living?" - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop
by Vance McIndoe 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

Looking at specs of the Redback (RADIUS) it looks like unicast and multicast have different accounting attributes, therefore Telecom or any ISP for that matter, would in theory be able have differential rates. BTW. if you really want multicast widely available within NZ - you need to help Telecom with a business offering first - a residential service would surely follow :-) Perhaps an ISP or national/global corporate could put their thinking cap on and convince Telecom of how much money they can make (or save) together... As already said - the technology is there - there's just no guaranteed revenue stream. One good start would be having a multicast-only stream (albeit limited in content) available on JSG to enable users to set up their clients properly - most users don't know or even care if it's unicast or multicast, let alone how to get multicast going. ###################################################################### Attention: This e-mail message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. ######################################################################

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Re: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop
by Dean Pemberton 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 11:53:42AM +1300, James Tyson wrote: > > Sure. Dean, do you want to send me information for configuring the > multicast BGP address family, MSDP and possibly dvmrp on JunOS for me, and > I'll add it. > Ok - no problems > > It's true. Still, what can you do. I imagine that some people on NZNOG are > just not interested, and can't be bothered listening to us going on over > and over again about it[1]. > > [1] have you seen the size of this thread? Actually looking at the responses to the Conference Program stuff. Multicast is second only to IPv6 and just ahead of VoIP. It is also the only thing aproximating actual content on this list in months =) Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop
by Dean Pemberton 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 10:49:38AM +1300, James Tyson wrote: > > > > Yep. Everyone has come out and said "Dean, But it's already at Wix/ape" > > > > Ok then. Well lets get a HowTo/FAQ on how I can set up a tunnel and > > watch stuff today. > > > > *waits eagerly to be told there already is one* > > Hah! That sounds like technical writing! > Speaking of teechnical writing, is anyone seeing my email being copied to > nznog? > Nope - I don't think so Maybe they have /ignored us =) But anyway, so what you are saying is that there are no instruction on how to do this? What it sounds like is that everything is almost there. The content is there. The presence at wix/ape is there. All it needs is someone to put the lego together. So where is my frigging technical document =) Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop
by Juha Saarinen 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, James Tyson wrote: > Not entirely, www.livecaster.com have a dynamic multicast tunnelling > application with clients for windows and many other OS's. That site is down, but check dis: http://videolab.uoregon.edu/tools/multicast_tools.html -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop
by Vance McIndoe 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

Yeah the JSG context... BTW. Sounds like you need the NZ Broadband list Juha :-o That's been quashed several times.... not possible on JetSt*. > -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [SMTP:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:57 AM > To: Vance McIndoe > Cc: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Subject: Re: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Vance McIndoe wrote: > > > As already said - the technology is there - there's just no guaranteed > > revenue stream. One good start would be having a multicast-only stream > > (albeit limited in content) available on JSG to enable users to set up > their > > clients properly - most users don't know or even care if it's unicast > or > > multicast, let alone how to get multicast going. > > Vance! You have left the Borg! ;-) > > One question: are you talking about setting up multicast within the > Jetstream Games context? > > If so, is it technically possible to be logged onto multiple (two/three) > contexts at the same time? At the moment you can't / it's disallowed. > > -- > Juha > Take off every sig! ###################################################################### Attention: This e-mail message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. ######################################################################

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RE: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop
by Andreas Girardet 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

I talked to the guys from triangle TV in Grey Lynn and I am sure they would be happy to join as a TV channel on such an experimental setup. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Dean Pemberton > Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 10:04 a.m. > To: Joe Abley > Cc: Vance McIndoe; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NZNOG agenda Multicast Activation Workshop > > > How about we take the following tac then. > > 1) Secure some content. If there is no content then this is > a waste of > time anyway. It sounds like we have atleast some content availible in > the BBC World stuff. > > 2) Make this content availible at both WIX and APE. > > 3) Allow people to connect to this content via tunnels. > Sure it would > be cool if every ISP in the country got on the bandwagon and you could > just IGMP join from your modem or dsl. But it's just not going to > happen. > > If the ISP's don't already see the feature being used then they are > unlikely to put time into something 'just in case'. > > If on the otherhand, we get good content that people want to see. And > we make the tunneling operation easy to set up. Then we might get a > large audience. ISP's might notice this data crossing their > network and > start to engineer it so that the multicast (rather than many unicast > tunnels) can penetrate further into their networks. > > Just a thought anyway. And if not, well then we still have it on WIX > and APE or anyone who wants it. > > How does that sound? > > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 02:56:59PM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 08:42:32AM +1300, Vance McIndoe wrote: > > > BTW. if you really want multicast widely available within > NZ - you need to > > > help Telecom with a business offering first - a > residential service would > > > surely follow :-) > > > > Good one :) > > > > There's nothing to stop anybody distributing multicast content > > right now, using tunnels. The ISPs to which multicast consumers > > connect don't need to necessarily be involved. > > > > If there's really such a huge demand for multicast services, > > how come people aren't already using them? > > > > > Perhaps an ISP or national/global corporate could put > > > their thinking cap on and convince Telecom of how much > money they can make > > > (or save) together... > > > > Hilarious :) > > > > > > Joe > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to > majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Topics - Local loop unbundling -
by Donald Neal 16 Jan '02

16 Jan '02

-- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd >>> "Brian Gibbons" <brian(a)outersite.co.nz> 01/15/02 08:19 >>> [...] >Richard Naylor>>My own view on this is that the loop shouldn't be unbundled >The politics come from phone companies and their desire to deliver an >analogue dial tone to a subscriber - leave them to it. >Many subscribers to this list already use one of Telecom's "local loop >access" products - IPNet. How about a technical discussion at the conference >on IPNet - the good the bad and the ugly. >I am in the same camp as Richard (don't unbundle the copper) but IPNet >doesn't quite do it for me. >A technical presentation by Telecom on IPNet would probably be beneficial to >conference attendees. This could lead into a discussion on what ISPs really >want for their downstream via Telecom. Would you be looking for a presentation from operational staff on what IPNet does and how, or from development staff on plans for it? - Donald Neal This is a public communication. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Topics - Local loop unbundling -
by John Lynch 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

At 07:42 PM 1/16/02 +1300, you wrote: >On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Richard Naylor wrote: > > > > > Well sort of. I was actually offering to tell all about how to build > > high speed low cost networks without fiber........but maybe that would > > upset too many folks. Thats serious. Its about how to fit fiber media > > converters, and ethernet switches in weather proof box on poles, that > > survive static discharge, and lightning, etc. It works really well in a > > residential environment and delivers 100mbps. > >I would really like to hear about this. It would be inspirational for many >people, including some telcos that shall remain unnamed which might take >out a contract on Rich. I'd been a keen listner too. >-- >Regards, > >Juha >C program run. C program crash. C programmer quit. > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog John Lynch System Administrator (string and tape specialist) Wise Net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: just out of interest...
by Ewen McNeill 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

In message <20020115230309.H1724(a)buffoon.automagic.org>, Joe Abley writes: >On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 05:00:02PM +1300, Chris Hellberg wrote: >> I've got /48 block from freenet6 that could be peered directly with >> instead of bouncing back off the states. [... Only WIX, only one >> address in use...] > >Well, there's no reason we couldn't make a virtual IX. I have >a machine in Auckland that could probably be shifted to the APE >for the purpose; a v6-in-v4 tunnel from Wellington to Auckland >sucks a bit, but not as much as a v6-in-v4 tunnel from Wellington >to the US :) I suspect that we'd have to tunnel it outside of Citylink/APE at least for the moment -- for all the same reasons that v6 is being tunnelled at present most other places. It's also a whole lot easier to get things started that way. And as you say, a Wellington<->Auckland tunnel would be no where near as much of an issue as Wellington<->US. >It occurs to me that the number of people ready and willing to >attach routers with v6 code loads directly to the APE or WIX FWIW, I've got a small set of machines connected to Citylink via an OpenBSD-based router, which should be able to do v6 with a little prodding. I've also got some clients who are connected to Citylink (some of whom are also peering with the Citylink WIX route reflector) who have expressed an interest in playing with v6 at some stage. And I could probably dig up a few more who might be interested (including various SageNZ people who spent a while playing with v6 at a recent workshop). All that said, none of these people (including me) have "public" v6 space, and none of them are providers that could justify the cost of getting even "small ISP" sized chunks of v6 space. Something in the order of a few dozen addresses worth, costing very little indeed (or suballocated out of someone else's larger allocation) might be practical though. And as one of the people who emailed Donald early on and said "I'd definitely consider it", I should answer Dean's plea while I'm posting: >We have thusfar had a few people interested in Wireless, A few in DDos, >and a few in Multicast. All in all about 10 people. This does not a >conference make. > >I guess no one else is interested. I'm lurking here, and watching with interest the discussion going on, but have been trying to avoid adding too much to the noise, particularly since I'm not working for a provider, and have no provider clients at present. I'm still at a "definitely seriously consider it" stage. If it were held in conjunction with a Uniforum/SageNZ conference then it's virtually certain I'd go. If not, I'd have to look more closely at the costs of getting there/staying there. (No rich employer to send me -- I'm self employed :-) ) In the nznog-sort of area, things of interest (no particular order): - build your own redundant link out of easily obtainable parts (I'm thinking cable modem + ADSL + routing magic here) - routing magic in general (ie, more modern routing protocols, BGP, et al) - v6, and particularly how you can play with it before everyone else adopts it - voice-over-IP, particularly in a do-it-yourself kind of way (I was following the mailing list of Asterisk, a VoIP PBX that's being developed, for a while. It seems very promising, but I haven't had time to do much more about it) - anything that Richard or Simon can be persuaded to talk about :-) - Secure DNS/Bind v9/ways of enabling oportunistic IPSec Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference2002: Feedback So Far]
by Dean Pemberton 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 14:00, Donald Neal wrote: > > No, Thursday and Friday have traditionally been days for the > presentation of papers. Tutorials and workshops ran Monday to > Wednesday. > Ok, My bad. I got confused. It's been 5 years since I was at one =) You said that the conference was going to be run Thurs-Sat. I thought that as the first days used to be used for Tutorials etc that this was the idea here. sorry. > These have yet to be set, and I see a decision about charges as one to > be made by discussion between NZNOG representatives and the UniForum NZ > convenor. If we choose to take this course. Sure - I just wondered if you had any information on this yet > > I thought you were making reasonable progress collecting peoples' > preferences. There also remains the task of following up offers to > present or to provide speakers, which is a task I'm hoping not to end up > taking on alone. Yeah - I'm just not seeing the level of response that would make me comfortable that we have the right program. Sure we have a list of possible things. But the responses for "Yeah I'd come to see that" or "Nah thats dumb" have been deafening in their silence. We have thusfar had a few people interested in Wireless, A few in DDos, and a few in Multicast. All in all about 10 people. This does not a conference make. I guess no one else is interested. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Donald Neal 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

-- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd >>> "Andy Linton" <asjl(a)lionra.net.nz> 01/14/02 10:01 >>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Donald Neal wrote: >> If not stopped, I'll proceed on the assumption that we can plan to do >> something without seeking a unifying reason for it. However, if people >> who would attend in the right circumstances do have goals they think we >> should be aiming to achieve, now's the time to speak up. >Perhaps it would be useful to revisit out terms of reference - see below. >I'm sure Donald will be keeping these points in mind but I'd like others >to consider them too. I'd suggest that some form of program committee need >to be consituted - this event need to be content driven not event driven. >Let's think about organising the event when we have something that looks >like a program that people want to see/hear. >The program committee could be the list if we want to keep the process >informal for now. If someone thinks they have something that people might >want to hear about post a short description and see who shows some >interest. I want to keep open - _if people are interested_ - the option of doing things which would not be appropriate for the mailing list. Most obviously, tutorials at a level too introductory for the content to belong here. Whether that's "What is BGP and why is it not used in Chinese cooking?" or whatever. I'm not sure that the format follows the programme. For one thing, we do have the option of bringing in an international speaker of some stature, but doing that would have an effect on the cost. We have had nine offers so far to be or provide speakers. I believe that what we do about that number depends on the format chosen - one day one stream will not allow that many. (That's one reason I haven't yet got back to those people.) Choosing a more ambitious style of event allows (requires?) us more actively to solicit contributions. So decisions about the format may well drive decisions about the content. More complex still, the decision about whether to run a demo network or how large it should be is both a format and a content decision. It has a lot to do with venue, too. So far, what feedback to the list there has been on format suggests that we're looking for a two-day residential event. If that is some sort of consensus, then I agree that it's time to think about content, but I'd like a more general organising group rather than merely a program committee, since decisions do need to be made about things like the venue and the price. Right now, I'd like more feedback to allow us to judge whether that is indeed a consensus view. See also http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20020111044613.… . - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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just out of interest...
by Joe Abley 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

... is anybody here running a public v6 network? Is there any interest in peering over the APE? Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG Conference Organisation [was RE:NZNOG Conference2002: Feedback So Far]
by Donald Neal 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

>>> "Dean Pemberton" <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> 01/16/02 03:29 >>> >Thursday and friday have traditionally been the practical workshop days. >Is it not possible to run a stream on the main conference days? Or is >it thought that room concerns may be too much? No, Thursday and Friday have traditionally been days for the presentation of papers. Tutorials and workshops ran Monday to Wednesday. >> In any case, we would be aiming to keep under the sort of cost figure >> Roger De Salis has mentioned. >> >Have you found out what the Uniforum conference fees are this year? >Would we just charge this? Or look to recover our own costs only? These have yet to be set, and I see a decision about charges as one to be made by discussion between NZNOG representatives and the UniForum NZ convenor. If we choose to take this course. [...] >I think we are still neglecting program content. We don't really have a >good idea what people want to see. Unless they are all mailing you >privatly, in which case fess up with the info =) I thought you were making reasonable progress collecting peoples' preferences. There also remains the task of following up offers to present or to provide speakers, which is a task I'm hoping not to end up taking on alone. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re router smashing contest
by Phill Groom 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

I seem to recall Peter Mott saying something along the lines of this recently; >I think a router smashing competition would be a good drawcard :-) http://cisco.ninjas.org/ Phill. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference 2002: Topics - Local loop unbundling -
by Brian Gibbons 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Juha> > Local loop unbundling? J S Russell>>The other topics are pretty "pure" technical ones. J S Russell>>This topic you suggest has the stench of politics about it. :) Richard Naylor>>My own view on this is that the loop shouldn't be unbundled The politics come from phone companies and their desire to deliver an analogue dial tone to a subscriber - leave them to it. Many subscribers to this list already use one of Telecom's "local loop access" products - IPNet. How about a technical discussion at the conference on IPNet - the good the bad and the ugly. I am in the same camp as Richard (don't unbundle the copper) but IPNet doesn't quite do it for me. A technical presentation by Telecom on IPNet would probably be beneficial to conference attendees. This could lead into a discussion on what ISPs really want for their downstream via Telecom. Cheers BG. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Donald Neal 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

>>> "Kefyn Judson (ENZ)" <kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz> 01/11/02 12:19 >>> [...] >What is the point of us getting together? I'm not knocking it here, but if >we can identify our reasons for getting together we should be able to >identify which setup would work for us. >Is it for networking? >For chewing over a specific issue? >For hands on workshopping something (perhaps all the Spam killing ideas of >late :-)?) >For discussing how to encourage, for instance multicast, growth in the NZ >market? >Have a clear purpose up front would help ensure that we are heading in the >right direction and help prevent it degenerating into a talkfest. There's been little feedback so far on this. My own guess is that that is because there is not just a single reason why people go to conferences. Partly, it's to learn things from the formal programme. Partly, it's to learn things informally. Vendors will be there in part to promote their brand and quitew possible to sell specific products or services. Potential buyers may actually want to know about specific prodiucts or services. Some attendees will be there in part simply to meet people whom its valuable in different ways to know. And not everyone is expected to be interested in every subject discussed, either. If not stopped, I'll proceed on the assumption that we can plan to do something without seeking a unifying reason for it. However, if people who would attend in the right circumstances do have goals they think we should be aiming to achieve, now's the time to speak up. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference 2002: Topics so far
by Andreas Girardet 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

The list so far, I have grouped them into various areas and added the various companies / individuals ############################################ - Wireless beyond 2.4 GHz - Wireless Network Security Issues - Network Sniffing demo. Contributors: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - Voice over IP - end-user telephony and Toll-bypass Contributors: Cisco ############################################ - Security and Abuse - SPAM - SOP6 and freedom on the net - DDoS attacks Contributors: ############################################ - MPLS (Intro/overview) - rfc2547bis MPLS VPN's Contributors: Dean Pemberton Cisco ############################################ - OSPF/ISIS/BGP (anything that people want to know) Contributors: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - IPv6. Migration strategies Contributors: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - Multicast (MSDP, DNS as the roll of RP) Contributors: Dean Pemberton ############################################ - Local loop unbundling -- technical feasibility study Contributors: Citylink ############################################ - Fibre MAN's, both Ethernet and DWDM Contributors: Cisco ############################################ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference 2002: Topics
by Andreas Girardet 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

>From the past year of discussions - IPv6. Migration strategies - Wireless beyond 2.4 GHz - Voice over IP - SPAM - SOP6 and freedom on the net If someone goes through the archives, I am sure we will have more points like that. Simple voting could decide then what the actual main topics are and we could then have workshops rather than long speeches. We really just need one or two main topics and could have work shops in which we actually draw up some steps to then be implemented in our various companies. If we keep it simple we will more likely succeed in getting something useful out of it. Beer is something that will happen automatically. Andreas - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

Dean, you're a trainer. How about you do an "Ipv6 and its implications on NZ Nets" or the like! Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 12:10 PM To: Andy Linton Cc: NZNOG List Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 08:01, Andy Linton wrote: > > I think you need to have some goal here. I'd be interested in this meeting > IFF it's technical - if we get marketing and sales types there I won't be > nearly as interested (possibly one of the understatements of 2002). > > Perhaps it would be useful to revisit out terms of reference - see below. > I'm sure Donald will be keeping these points in mind but I'd like others > to consider them too. I'd suggest that some form of program committee need > to be consituted - this event need to be content driven not event driven. > Let's think about organising the event when we have something that looks > like a program that people want to see/hear. > I think that it would also be useful to look at the niche we fill in the industry. For example. We don't want to have content that fits into the Governance or Legislative domain because thats for ISOCNZ. We also might want to stay away from the wider Open Systems issues, because thats for Uniforum to address. This list is for Technical Network issues only. So things that I would not be happy to see in an NZNOG conference. . "A detailed look at the politics of neutral peering" . "Security issues of your favorite Linux distro" . "Domainz" (I'm going to get flamed on this one. but I don't think that there are any TECHNICAL issues that need to be discussed.) Things that I think are slightly more appropriate. . "An explanation of how new net technology X could be deployed in NZ" . "Detailed look at protocol X" . "Hands on workshop to install and demonstrate X." You get my point. We are a technical list, it should be a technical conference. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: JetStream/Start DHCP woes , FTP & capping
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 11 Jan '02

11 Jan '02

I guess that is precisely why tucows/fileplanet exist. However, I feel it can always be done. Perhaps, one machine with high capacity storage and lots of grunt sitting on the Auckland Peering Exchange :=) Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, David White wrote: > So what we need is some gigantic LOCAL storage of the more popular files > that multiple people are requesting from some OVERSEAS location. > > (I know, I know -- it was suggested 10 years ago. And there are copyright > issues. And expiry. And maintenance. And backup. And setup cost...) > > Still, it could be a valuable service an ISP might offer and benefit > themselves to boot! > > david > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sahil Gupta - NET4U [mailto:sahil(a)sahil.net.nz] > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2002 11:30 > To: David White > Cc: Biff (Paradise); List Server Account; Warwick; Adsl2 > Subject: RE: JetStream/Start DHCP woes , FTP & capping > > > Well, National Bandwith is not a problem but, the *REAL* issue is that > most people get JetStart inorder to download movies/warez (this is what > gives an ISP a big big big loss) because most content being transferred > is International. > > Regards, > > Sahil Gupta > NET4U Limited > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 2/01/02 > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Donald Neal 11 Jan '02

11 Jan '02

NZNOG People, I have been very surprised by the feedback I've received to the suggestion of a face to face conference this year. Potential attendees: 6 Offers to provide speaker(s): 3 Offer to help organise speakers: 1 Offer to help organise: 1 Offer of venue: 1 This is a very impressive level of willingness to do the things that need doing. Not so flash on the audience front, though. Could anyone else who'd consider attending please advise me in the not too distant future, preferably including any preferences on date and/or location. I haven't yet replied to any of those who've offered to help. I hope to do so early next week. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Southercross running on protection?
by Chris Wedgwood 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

I'm seeing long delays (about 110ms more than usual) to 4768 and 4648 which lead me to believe southern-cross is running under protection... Hop Best Mean --------------------------------------------------- g2-0-2.pabr2.netgate.net.nz 23 26 p0-1-0.labr1.global-gateway.net.nz 219 224 b2-fa-0-0-0.losangeles.clix.net.nz 74 78 jcore1-at-0-3-0-20-acld.auckland.cl 274 278 Is anyone able to confirm or deny anything here? --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Further Feedback
by Donald Neal 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

Dean, -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd >>> "Dean Pemberton" <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> 01/11/02 11:38 >>> [...] >It would be great to see overseas people there, but which would you >rather see. >a) Room full of only the people who can fly to anywhere in the country >and pay $400, all drooling over the latest International Guru? >or >b) Room full of anyone who wants to attend, all on an equal footing, >all learning from what each other has to offer. >Which one of these fits the culture of this list better? Given the very high proportion of postings by a very low proportion fo subscribers, and the many subscribers who hardly ever post at all, I'm not sure you'd like the answer to your question. For myself, I'm asking what people would actually exert themselves enough to attend. If hundreds of people just want to lurk on this list and wouldn't attend any event that was organised, that's fine. But that would make them not the people who should be deciding what form such an event should take. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Further Feedback
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

I do like the Waikato Uni as the venue. That is once we have sorted out why we want to do this and a big venue is appropriate. We have international "guru's" coming down all the time. I'll keep an eye on the talent and drop a name if their field looks interesting to the list. Regards Kefyn JUDSON (FROM HAMILTON) Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Tony McGregor [mailto:tonym(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Friday, 11 January 2002 12:04 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Further Feedback On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote: >It would be great to see overseas people there, but which would you >rather see. > > a) Room full of only the people who can fly to anywhere in the country > and pay $400, all drooling over the latest International Guru? > or > b) Room full of anyone who wants to attend, all on an equal footing, > all learning from what each other has to offer. Something in the middle. When we've done things like this at the university in the past the cost has been between $100 and $200. It could be less if vendors sponsor food/drinks bandwidth etc. If we hosted the event we would sponsor someone from NLANR or CAIDA to come (not quite drooling material, but generally worth listening too.) Accommodation and social extra (say $75 and $50). Tony - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

Dean I'd definitely be a starter for one of those tShirts. Could be that classical evolutionary picture from gorilla to Neanderthal to 21 century human! :-) Enough of that! What is the point of us getting together? I'm not knocking it here, but if we can identify our reasons for getting together we should be able to identify which setup would work for us. Is it for networking? For chewing over a specific issue? For hands on workshopping something (perhaps all the Spam killing ideas of late :-)?) For discussing how to encourage, for instance multicast, growth in the NZ market? Have a clear purpose up front would help ensure that we are heading in the right direction and help prevent it degenerating into a talkfest. We sort out why we want this and we may find that a smaller quarterly or biannual gathering is really more appropriate. Won't know until we know why we want do this. What y'all think? Coming from a vendor this has been valued at only 3 cents (plus GST). Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Friday, 11 January 2002 11:00 AM To: Roger De Salis Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 10:22:20AM +1300, Roger De Salis wrote: > > 1/ Organisation is pretty much a 12 month cycle (not to say > you can't do a smaller one in less time.) > Damn - my attention span has been clocked at under 10.7 seconds. Seriously though. I don't doubt for a minute that this is a long term job, and as such needs the right sort of person to organise it. > 2/ Guest overseas/celebrity speakers (from 1-3) usually > want business-class airfare plus free accomodation. > Greedy bastards. S/t I think this could be relaxed. None of the companies they work for will be flying them business class at the moment so why should we. > 3/ Organisors, who usually work for nothing, like have their > accomodation paid. (But this need not be the case) > One Maui Camper van comming up S/t If you like the idea enough to volenteer to organise it, then you were probably going to come anyway. So then you would have been paying for your accomodation anyway. So no one should mind paying. QED > > I believe most companies would stump up for this. > There are severe limitations in the number of establishments > that can deal with 50-150 people, and they typically want > 12 month notice of bookings. Yep - this I think will be an issue. We might want to look into this as a phase 1. it might effect some of the scaling decisions that Donald is talking about (single vs multiday, independant vs schlepping off uniforum) > > I'm sure Cisco, being the gorilla of the Internet industry > would be keen to participate, by providing an overseas > speaker, and other companies would no doubt contribute in > like fashion. The principle reason for finding a sponsor > is to stump up the hotel deposit. One tShirt with a slow knuckle-dragging, hairy, drooling gorilla named Cisco comming up =) S/t I don't think Speakers will be a huge problem. I think that doing them for cheap, and getting companies to just fork out disposable cash might be a bit harder. But who knows. > > I think the technical conference in NZ is a worthy one, but > I would put more emphasis on getting managers of Telco's > along, simply as it is an opportunity for them to understand > a little more of the technical side, and perhaps it is also > an opportunity for the techo's to understand the management > drivers. > <t-i-c> Telco's are some of the most technical and intelligent people that I know. They have recently been shown to make EXCELLENT networking decisions. I think they would be a great asset to any conference audience. </t-i-c> Having said all this I guess the thing that I'm worried about the most is that we start too big and it tanks. We are then left with the "Nah, we tried that once but it didn't work" All good points man. Esp the ones about how expensive and time consuming the organising is. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Malcolm Lockyer 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

Or maybe BoIP through a PTPC (point-to-point courrier) VPN where each beer data gram would use the old fassioned BPAS algarithim (brown paper and string) which would safely encrpt the beer datagram inside making the BoIP secure from the rest of the public courier network. Sorry, just talking nonsense again... Malcolm >From: "Kefyn Judson $ENZ$" <kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz> >To: "'Juha Saarinen'" <juha(a)saarinen.org>, Andy Linton <asjl(a)lionra.net.nz> >CC: Andreas Girardet <andreas.girardet(a)team.xtra.co.nz>, >nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far > >The alternative may be to deliver them over the "IP over CourierPost" RFC >that some of us have been discussing (Have any of you guys taken this RFC >further?). > >Regards >Kefyn JUDSON >Multiservice Network Architect >ERICSSON New Zealand >* Phone: +64 9 3555 461 >* Mobile: +61 21 535 331 >* E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz >* SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 4:43 PM > To: Andy Linton > Cc: Andreas Girardet; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Andy Linton wrote: > --snip-- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

I think Lin's point five is a good one and not too difficult to organise. Could have Auckland and Wellington sessions. Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Lin Nah [mailto:lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 10:31 PM To: Craig Whitmore Cc: Darryl Hamilton; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far 1 Most conferences are difficult to organise because it entails lining up attendees and speakers to all be at the same place and time. 2 once venue and programme is set, the other thing would be to justify to management that you are worthy to attend such conferences and if you are lucky get the fee, accomodation and travel paid. 3 There used to be a technical and a management part running in parallel at the Uniforum conference with. In the last few ones there has been no such distinction. I wonder if it is worth while asking if we (nznog) can organise the technical bit. This leaves the organisation of the conference to them and the work is only in organising the presenters etc. (just a suggestion to reduce the organisation workload) 4 what content do you need to see in the programme before you think it is worth your time attending? Perhaps it might be worthwhile looking at the presentation topics of the NANOG meeting or APRICOT and have each of you list what it is you would have attended. I remember one of the Uniforum sessions in Rotorua where someone expected a lot of nznog types to attend his session and not many turned up and so he had to change his talk to a more general one on IP Net (or something like that). 5. Some of you feel that a lot more gets done at the pub. If it is the case, let's not have a conference. Organise regular drinkies or dinners (eg once every 3 or 6 months) and have one or two speakers give a presentation before the drinkies start. Perhaps even say the presenters have to buy a round of drinks. 6. I also feel that some of you won't be too happy sitting listening to presentations all day and perhaps it would be more realistic to have more sessions with hands on things to do at some computer/router/machine and fewer presentations. just my 2c worth Lin The - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Agree. A lot of good came out of the Christmas parties. That is above and beyond the spiff and beer. How about another casual gathering at the pub in Aotea square to kick off the year? Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 4:48 PM To: Andy Linton Cc: Andreas Girardet; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:40:20PM +1300, Andy Linton wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Andreas Girardet wrote: > > > As Internet people, can't we organize a conference and broadcast it to > > those who can't make it? Then it would not matter too much where we > > actually do it. Just fast internet would be needed. > > > > That would be a first. And interactivity would not be hard to do. > > > > I am sure we all could have a true Network conference ...... > > Surely a true network conference involves the cashing in of the large > numbers of beer credits. How often have network people said, thanks, I owe > you a beer... > > I still don't believe that networks are fast enough or the protocols well > enough developed to allow those exchanges to take place. I have heard it said of the NANOG meetings that the presentations are really incidental to the real reason for attending, and that the real work at NANOG gets done in the lobby and in the bar. This is not to belittle the material, which is frequently very interesting and well-presented; however, there are other reasons to go to a *NOG conference than just to watch people reading from powerpoint slides. Those aspects are better served in a conference involving an overnight stay, I think. Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: BoIP
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Hmmm... Lion Breweries is just a few meters behind the new Ericsson building. Could be a great opportunity to implement this protocol. Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: J S Russell [mailto:jsr(a)jsr.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 4:44 PM To: Andy Linton Cc: Andreas Girardet; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Andy Linton wrote: > I still don't believe that networks are fast enough or the protocols well > enough developed to allow those exchanges to take place. BoIP, it's the Big New Thing. JSR -- John S Russell | Smile Operations Manager | Nod Attica/Callplus NZ | Build it. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

The alternative may be to deliver them over the "IP over CourierPost" RFC that some of us have been discussing (Have any of you guys taken this RFC further?). Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 4:43 PM To: Andy Linton Cc: Andreas Girardet; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Andy Linton wrote: > I still don't believe that networks are fast enough or the protocols > well enough developed to allow those exchanges to take place. Beer over IP (BoIP)? Has the RFC been written yet? -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Andreas Girardet 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

As Internet people, can't we organize a conference and broadcast it to those who can't make it? Then it would not matter too much where we actually do it. Just fast internet would be needed. That would be a first. And interactivity would not be hard to do. I am sure we all could have a true Network conference ...... Andreas - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

What about CPIP?(Carries Pigeon IP) Allister. -----Original Message----- From: J S Russell [mailto:jsr(a)jsr.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 4:44 p.m. To: Andy Linton Cc: Andreas Girardet; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Andy Linton wrote: > I still don't believe that networks are fast enough or the protocols > well enough developed to allow those exchanges to take place. BoIP, it's the Big New Thing. JSR -- John S Russell | Smile Operations Manager | Nod Attica/Callplus NZ | Build it. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

You need a number beside that ... :-) I think we may have 40 CCIE's in NZ. Very hard to get this cert ... It is rumoured that 80% fail the first time. Also you have to have a holiday in Australia and sit the tests at the same time. What a shame ;-) Allister. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [mailto:asjl(a)lionra.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 2:37 p.m. To: J S Russell Cc: Allister Clarke; 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, J S Russell wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Allister Clarke wrote: > > > The books are good bedtime reading;-) > > Also it can be cool to more letters after your name at parties :-) > > It's a qualification made up by a commercial entity. If you assert that you "Can Configure Internet Equipment", why shouldn't you call yourself: Fred Bloggs, CCIE - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Andreas Girardet 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

just tunnel it -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Craig Whitmore Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 3:55 p.m. To: Juha Saarinen; Andreas Girardet Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far Its why Telecom have to allow Multicast over their DSL Network.. and then everyone in NZ would be Happy Thanks Craig Whitmore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juha Saarinen" <juha(a)saarinen.org> To: "Andreas Girardet" <andreas.girardet(a)team.xtra.co.nz> Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Andreas Girardet wrote: > > > Just fast internet would be needed. > > Mec, c'est Nouvelle Zealand... if I were to join a video conference with > my Jetstream connection, I'd have to take out a second mortgage. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Strange Parallels to Julian Angelo
by Dean Pemberton 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

This was on /. today. It's a story about someone using spam to try and get a job. When someone complained, the spammer tried to sue them. Makes an interesting read. Esp the later replies about people who found this thread and refused to employ him. http://petemoss.com/spamflames/ShifmanIsAMoronSpammer.html Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Craig Whitmore 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So FarUmm.. I'm pretty sure I can offer Multicast on UNL if anyone wants it..What the UNL switches think about it I have no idea.. Thanks Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Ward To: 'Craig Whitmore' ; 'Kefyn Judson (ENZ)' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far Whoa, IHUG have multicast? I'm a UNL customer IHUG guys, routed this way? -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Craig Whitmore Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:16 PM To: Kefyn Judson (ENZ) Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far Yes. it would.. IHUG, Attica + Orcon have it connected up at the moment (at APE and then connected to a Peer Overseas), maybe other people want to look up to it so they can look at it/use it as well. I was watching some content on it last night, and some of it is interesting.(like alot of NASA Stuff). (well to geeks at least) Thanks Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Kefyn Judson (ENZ) To: 'Allister Clarke' ; 'Mark Foster' ; 'Tony McGregor' ; Donald Neal Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far Wouldn't this be a great Multicast opportunity?

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Very much an eye pleasing option :-) Who here has Cisco quals? Allister. -----Original Message----- From: Kefyn Judson (ENZ) [mailto:kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 1:07 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far and that ppl who want to fly in, esp ppl like Dean - Can fly direct to Auckland. Dean could fly Freedom Air to Hamilton of course. :-) Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

The books are good bedtime reading;-) Also it can be cool to more letters after your name at parties :-) Allister. -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 1:48 p.m. To: Allister Clarke Cc: 'Kefyn Judson (ENZ)'; 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 11:18, Allister Clarke wrote: > Who here has Cisco quals? Why would I want those? - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

I was waiting for that Dean. Oh, and ditto. :-) Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 1:48 PM To: Allister Clarke Cc: 'Kefyn Judson (ENZ)'; 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 11:18, Allister Clarke wrote: > Who here has Cisco quals? Why would I want those?

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

The CS department and/or Tony would do it very well. Lets arrange it before the beginning of March. Some rooms in G-block would do well for a small group. I guess a small group would be likely? Allister -----Original Message----- From: Tony McGregor [mailto:tonym(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 1:17 p.m. To: Donald Neal Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far Auckland is fine for me. But, just for the record, the offer to host an event at Waikato was (intended to be) a bit more than offering a location. Events of this type take quite a bit of organisation and I was (with some trepidation, I've done it before) offering to look after that. Tony - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Wouldn't this be a great Multicast opportunity? Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Allister Clarke [mailto:agclarke(a)waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 12:02 PM To: 'Mark Foster'; 'Tony McGregor'; Donald Neal Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far The advantage to Auckland - and Im pretty certain that if I asked, I could get us a venue in the Manukau Institute of Technology IS Dept - Is the reduced travel for a fair number of NZNOG'rs who work in/around Auckland - and that ppl who want to fly in, esp ppl like Dean - Can fly direct to Auckland. * What is equipment like at the ManukauIT IS Dept? * Is VC'ing of interest to anyone on this list? * It can be a bit expensive though ... :-) * Anyone like the Polycom units? Allister. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

and that ppl who want to fly in, esp ppl like Dean - Can fly direct to Auckland. Dean could fly Freedom Air to Hamilton of course. :-) Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodafone.net.nz

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Mark Foster 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Yes, it is. Without adding yet more non useful ramble to nznog, the point is simply - Do we want to have it in Auckland, or not? :) I think people need to indicate to Donald that theyd be interested in attending, and maybe we need to work out where various people are from, and go with either a majority, or a central location... As I said, I think MIT is an example of a good place to host this sort of thing. Im sure most of the major tertiary institutes like waikato.ac.nz, auckland.ac.nz, aut.ac.nz etc all have fairly similar sorts of equipment - so yes, its very much a case of 'theyre all thes same...' Whats the demographic profile of nznog? :) At 12:31 10/01/02 +1300, Allister Clarke wrote: >But the MIT is still Auckland ... ;-) >Been to uni here at Waikato Mark? >MIT sounds very similar to Waikato. >6 of one half a dozen of the other. > >Allister. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

But the MIT is still Auckland ... ;-) Been to uni here at Waikato Mark? MIT sounds very similar to Waikato. 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Allister. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Mark Foster 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

The MIT IS/IT dept's are both pretty Top Notch, I worked with their IS Dept while studying there for 18 months (thats another saga). -(start ramble)- Lots of rooms, a couple of significant lecture theatres with full AV equipment, projectors, reasonably late model PC's, the network is accessible via either a WinME/2k Desktop (with things like Office and stuff installed (powerpoint)) or via Citrix Thin Client... In the main IS building there is an oversized lecture theatre easily able to accomodate more than 100 people, tier'd arrangement, whiteboards, full AV setup for Videos, Computer Projection or OHP, with PA etc.. Theres two or three smaller theatres of the same type suitable for about 60 people each, and then of course theres the labs (about 9 of them specifically IS dept) with 20 PCs each, and classrooms (suitable for 20 -25 people in each class, seated and desked). Each classroom has an OHP (or access to one) and a whiteboard (typical tertiary class styles) and theres also mobile projection equipment... The buildings are also only about 5-6 years old, fairly recent stuff and in good condition. My login for their network has expired (I was a student there untill end of last year) but Im still in contact with senior staff in the IS department... given my exposure to other facilities of this type I think the IS dept at MIT is pretty well set up overall - Im sort of spasmodically studying there now, trying to decide if pursuing my Diploma is more useful than gaining on-the-fly work experience as I am at the moment... What else may be of interest. Literally 2 mins off the Motorway. Lots of parking, and its free. Active security patrols around the building. Handy to fast food of various sorts, cafeteria within 50m of the building, and of course every machine on the LAN has access to the internet via a proxy... -(end ramble)- So yeah, Im not sure exactly what kind of facilities we want/need/expect - But Donald you can add me to the list of 'general help' and if resources such as the above are suitable, I can make approaches as/when appropriate. Just need a vague idea as to the date. Given enough advance notice I dont see it being too big a deal.. :) Mark. At 12:02 10/01/02 +1300, Allister Clarke wrote: >The advantage to Auckland - and Im pretty certain that if I asked, I could >get us a venue in the Manukau Institute of Technology IS Dept - Is the >reduced travel for a fair number of NZNOG'rs who work in/around Auckland - >and that ppl who want to fly in, esp ppl like Dean - Can fly direct to >Auckland. > >* What is equipment like at the ManukauIT IS Dept? >* Is VC'ing of interest to anyone on this list? >* It can be a bit expensive though ... :-) >* Anyone like the Polycom units? > >Allister. >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

The advantage to Auckland - and Im pretty certain that if I asked, I could get us a venue in the Manukau Institute of Technology IS Dept - Is the reduced travel for a fair number of NZNOG'rs who work in/around Auckland - and that ppl who want to fly in, esp ppl like Dean - Can fly direct to Auckland. * What is equipment like at the ManukauIT IS Dept? * Is VC'ing of interest to anyone on this list? * It can be a bit expensive though ... :-) * Anyone like the Polycom units? Allister. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Mark Foster 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

FWIW, Id happily travel to Hamilton for this sort of event.. which means I can theoretically let 3 other Aucklanders hitch with me... If i needed to travel much further beyond Hamilton, it'd want to be a Weekend event tho, where Hamilton I could probably get away with being down there just for a day and/or overnight, depending on when im required back in Auckland... The advantage to Auckland - and Im pretty certain that if I asked, I could get us a venue in the Manukau Institute of Technology IS Dept - Is the reduced travel for a fair number of NZNOG'rs who work in/around Auckland - and that ppl who want to fly in, esp ppl like Dean - Can fly direct to Auckland. Having said that if it is in Auckland, I live not far from the Airport too if thats of any use to anyone... happy to play Taxi. Mark. At 11:43 10/01/02 +1300, Allister Clarke wrote: >I work at the Waikato University as well. >Tony remembers me ... :-) >Currently I work in the teaching rooms here, and I do support of some >conferences. >If people are interested we could hold it in a teaching room(s) of the >required size. >Any thoughts? > >Allister "Nearly CCNA" Clarke >AV Technician > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony McGregor [mailto:tonym(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz] >Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 11:36 a.m. >To: Donald Neal >Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far > > > >I'm very enthusiastic about the idea. > >The Waikato University Network Research group (WAND) would certainly like to >be involved. I expect we would like to supply speakers on network >measurement research and some non-presenter audience as well. > >We can host the conference if there is interested in that. > >Tony > > > > >On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Donald Neal wrote: > > > NZNOG People, > > > > I have been very surprised by the feedback I've received to the > > suggestion of a face to face conference this year. > > > > Potential attendees: 6 > > Offers to provide speaker(s): 3 > > Offer to help organise speakers: 1 > > Offer to help organise: 1 > > Offer of venue: 1 > > > > This is a very impressive level of willingness to do the things that > > need doing. Not so flash on the audience front, though. Could anyone > > else who'd consider attending please advise me in the not too distant > > future, preferably including any preferences on date and/or location. > > > > I haven't yet replied to any of those who've offered to help. I hope > > to do so early next week. > > > > - Donald Neal > > > > > > > > -- > > Donald Neal > > Special Operations > > Network Delivery > > Telecom New Zealand Ltd > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- > > "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you >are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me >immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this >communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > ======== > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz >Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 >Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095 >Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 >Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far
by Allister Clarke 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

I work at the Waikato University as well. Tony remembers me ... :-) Currently I work in the teaching rooms here, and I do support of some conferences. If people are interested we could hold it in a teaching room(s) of the required size. Any thoughts? Allister "Nearly CCNA" Clarke AV Technician -----Original Message----- From: Tony McGregor [mailto:tonym(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 11:36 a.m. To: Donald Neal Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Conference 2002: Feedback So Far I'm very enthusiastic about the idea. The Waikato University Network Research group (WAND) would certainly like to be involved. I expect we would like to supply speakers on network measurement research and some non-presenter audience as well. We can host the conference if there is interested in that. Tony On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Donald Neal wrote: > NZNOG People, > > I have been very surprised by the feedback I've received to the > suggestion of a face to face conference this year. > > Potential attendees: 6 > Offers to provide speaker(s): 3 > Offer to help organise speakers: 1 > Offer to help organise: 1 > Offer of venue: 1 > > This is a very impressive level of willingness to do the things that > need doing. Not so flash on the audience front, though. Could anyone > else who'd consider attending please advise me in the not too distant > future, preferably including any preferences on date and/or location. > > I haven't yet replied to any of those who've offered to help. I hope > to do so early next week. > > - Donald Neal > > > > -- > Donald Neal > Special Operations > Network Delivery > Telecom New Zealand Ltd > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." > > > ====================================================================== > ======== > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095 Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG Conference 2002
by Donald Neal 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

NZNOG People, There are now over three hundred addresses subscribed to this list. Most of those addresses seem likely to correspond to people with an interest in network operation. There were very pleasing turnouts at last year's Christmas functions.I wonder whether it's time to try organising a more serious gathering. Each year the North American Network Operators' Group holds three face to face meetings, at which subjects of interest to network operators - and few others - are discussed. The content varies from tutorials in how to make specific products do specific things to the results of network-related research by government-funded agencies. You can read the agenda from the most recent meeting at http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0110/agenda.html . I do not assume that it would be possible to do the same thing here, even if that was what people wanted. I do wonder whether there would be enough interest to justify trying to organise a face to face conference to be held this year. I'd welcome opinions on that from subscribers who might be willing to attend. (Please don't bother replying to express apathy - I can deduce that from silence.) We should assume that there would be some sort of charge for attendance, reflecting the cost of the venue, food and coffee, and quite possibly some effort to meet some costs of presenting. My guess is that we'd need enough content for close to a day to make the thing worth doing. One option would be a stand-alone event either in Auckland or Wellington (i.e. Auckland?) though our non-existant financial structure might cause problems with that. Another would be to clip ourselves onto the side of some moderately relevant conference such as that now being planned by UniForum NZ for mid-year, in the hope of avoiding all that tedious mucking about with venues and things. (No, I have not discussed this with UniForum NZ, though at least one of their board is sympathetic. :{)* ) For now, I'm primarily looking for expressions of interest in attending, along with suggestions about more or less convenient places and dates. Though of course to hear from volunteers to present material or do other work would be nice. Yes, I do realise that final decisions on attendance are bound to be driven by things like the location, the quality of the programme and whether any of your routers have had the magic smoke come out lately. Right now I'm chiefly seeking an idea of whether this is worth proceeding with further. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spam on the increase ?
by Simon Byrnand 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

Hi Everyone, Just curious if anyone has noticed a large increase in spam to their customers in the last while, in particular there seems to be a lot of stuff of asian origin, and a large percentage of them are in unreadable (to us) character sets (chinese, japanese, korean perhaps) with pictures and links to porn sites :-( Ordinary spam in english text is bad enough, but when there are explicit pictures within the email as well its just not on at all IMHO. Of the dozen or so that I decided to try and track back, 90% of the source mailservers are listed in either orbz or ordb as open relays. I wonder if the continued existance (perhaps increase) of open relays could make spam the next epidemic after email worms.... Regards, Simon iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Spam on the increase ?
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

I'm curious Chris, Have you had many of the online site email addresses leaked? Regards Kefyn JUDSON Multiservice Network Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)vodofone.net.nz -----Original Message----- From: Chris Wedgwood [mailto:cw(a)f00f.org] Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 3:26 PM To: Dean Pemberton Cc: Dylan Reeve; NZNOG List Subject: Re: Spam on the increase ? On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:06:43PM +1100, Dean Pemberton wrote: So rather than having dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz post to mailing lists, I'd have nznog(a)deanpemberton.com post to the nznog mailing list. Then filter incoming mail to that address, so that if it was not a post to the nznog list it gets dumped. I do this already for all my mailing lists, for example, I receive all nznog email via nznog(a)ml.cw.f00f.org --- and I can tell you from experience this wonderful scheme of mine casues many problems :( I also use this for routing, so if somebody wanted to be malicious, they could spam that address and it would get automagically routed and stored in my nznog mailing list --- at which time I move to me next greatest scheme :) Similarly, I use cw+<blah>@f00f.org sort of thing for online sites, to I can track if given email addresses leak and such like, all very crude right now, but I've considered something much more complex where I would email using <nouce>@cw-mail.f00f.org sort of thing so I could track individual messages and replies to them on a per message basis, but it hardly seems worth the effort. The biggest problem being that I can't post to mailing lists as cw(a)f00f.org unless they have a pst-only type list (which nznog does, but most lists do not). --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Spam on the increase ?
by Simon Byrnand 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

At 11:15 8/01/02 +1300, Andy Linton wrote: >I think you're fighting a losing battle in many ways here. Maybe so, but... >The model for advertising on the Internet was touted as 'ads on web >pages' with click through etc. It's not exactly been a raging success - >I'd hypothesise that these spammers you're upset about are the Satchi and >Satchi of tomorrow. It's not going away and you have to learn to ignore it >just like you have to ignore the ads on TV. Here I disagree. I don't think anyone should need to learn to ignore spam with explicit pictures being shoved in their face every day. It's one thing to visit a website of your own free will and then see an advert you dont like, its quite another to receive it unsolicited. To use your own analogy its like TV advertisers being able to force you to watch their ads even when the TV is turned OFF. :) It's all too easy for people to throw their hands in the air and just give up in the face of what seems like a losing battle, but as soon as we do that, the spammers have won. Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG Conference 2002
by Donald Neal 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

Dean, -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd >>> "Dean Pemberton" <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> 01/08/02 04:08 >>> >I'd be interested in hearing what people think about the Vendor vs >Non-Vendor approach. >On the one hand making it Non-Vendor keeps it like the list. A place >for people to swap ideas and now have Vendors jump in with an axe to >grind. >On the other hand. Vendors with axe's to grind == money. >And they can spring for beer/giveaways/etc. >Hard to know what people want to do here. I don't see this as either/or. Apart from the issues you raise, there is definitely an audience for presentations by vendor staff who know what they're talking about, subject to simple rules about not being too rude about other companies except Microsoft. >> One option would be a stand-alone event either in Auckland or Wellington >> (i.e. Auckland?) though our non-existant financial structure might cause >> problems with that. Another would be to clip ourselves onto the side of >> some moderately relevant conference such as that now being planned by >> UniForum NZ for mid-year, in the hope of avoiding all that tedious >> mucking about with venues and things. (No, I have not discussed this >> with UniForum NZ, though at least one of their board is sympathetic. >> :{)* ) >Uni-Who? Are they still having conferences? So far as I'm aware, they're the only (other?) organisation seeking to run a national conference for geeks. If anyone knows of another ... - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Open proxies - was RE: Spam on the increase ?
by Phill Groom 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

-----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [SMTP:asjl(a)lionra.net.nz] >The model for advertising on the Internet was touted as 'ads on web >pages' with click through etc. It's not exactly been a raging success - Slightly related - During a moment of stupidity (I blame the shift in magnetic fields due to my being temporarily relocated some thousands of kilometers from my true home) I inadvertently removed the all important "#" from "#ProxyRequests On" on an apache box.. It took some time and someone far more cluefull than myself to relate this mistake with the strange GET's I started seeing in my http logs a few months later. I was seeing GET's for banner ads at a rate of a couple a day. Turns out my box and many other open proxies around the world were being used to proxy banner add hits to generate revenue for the scum who had the financial relationship with the banner add company. They needed to make the hits look as though they were coming from joe random customers hence the use of many open proxies. Something else to watch for. Phill. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spam on the increase
by Michael Hallager 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

HI all, I did notice this too. (To my own personal box). Good that the headers are still in english.... :-) The funniest one, (This one in english) was the one sent to abuse(a)comsolve.net.nz, which I setup to take AUP style complaints. (None recieved yet though). Out of all the mail addresses @comsolve.net.nz, that was most appropriate. Shows spammers don't have any sense... :-) Best regards, -- Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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another NZNOG archive
by Joe Abley 05 Jan '02

05 Jan '02

http://www.anos.org.au/groups/newzealand/nznogframe.html Excellent :) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Sort of OT: are there any "Internet enabled" temperature sens ors/servers for Auckland?
by Denis Gordon 05 Jan '02

05 Jan '02

Weather Underground also has some (relatively) up to date NZ readings. Some of them are a bit out of the way though. http://www.wunderground.com/global/NZ.html --- Denis Gordon Network Administrator Information Systems Technical Support Dunedin City Council 50 The Octagon, PO Box 5045, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph: +64-3-474 3566 Fax: +64-3-474 3503 Mobile: 025 845 583 Email: denis(a)dcc.govt.nz WWW: http://www.CityOfDunedin.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gardner [mailto:andy(a)navigator.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2002 3:57pm To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Sort of OT: are there any "Internet enabled" temperature sensors/servers for Auckland? At 3:47 PM +1300 2/1/02, Juha Saarinen wrote: >Measuring the outside temperature, with geographic location given. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT - webcam locations and my weather station
by Richard Naylor 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Thank you to all those who brightened up my day with suggestions on webcam locations. (I'm sick in bed with a bad cold/flu). The suggestions brought on many coughing fits and my wife threatened to take the lappy away (wireless cards rule). Some suggestions were, + Kelburn - ah isn't there a large "national" organisation doing this stuff ? (remember at least one cam has a weather station) + Holt Cres, Ottawa - + Devonport, Auckland - A citylink weather station and cam IS coming to downtown AKL + Tasmania + Piha Beach + Wellington Stadium - we already have a camera there on a lighting tower. Must install the IP stuff........ + Outside the Mermaid Bar. - Inside would get more hits ! (Where is this bar Sid ?) And yes I KNOW Tawa is both windy and cold. I live there. Thank you for the many kind and thoughtful comments on our weather. There is no external cam at home otherwise you would all tell me to cut the grass. I am managing to get my sons to do that. I do the mower and weed eater repairs <sigh> However, Jeremy has a camera at http://www.r2.co.nz/~jeremy/webcam/ - If you have any REALLY funny locations for web cams or ones that might endear teh Internet to the rest of the population (like avoiding motorway queues, etc) please let me know off list. I think we haven't had enough fun lately rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Apache / PHP4
by Michael Hallager 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Hi all, Anyone know of a hack/crack/wayaround to restart Apache from a PHP4 WEB script (Or combination of stuff) without running the VirtualHost as "root". More information on what I have done will be provided offlist. In exchange for this much-needed information, I am prepared to advise how to run Apache VirtualHosts purely from an SQL database.... :-) (If thats of any interest) Please message me offlist. Best regards, -- Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Website: http://www.comsolve.net.nz Proudly providing hosting exclusively to 100% family-safe content sites. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: XTRA's DNS, WHF is going on.....?
by Michael Hallager 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Thanks Simon, As per the email sent directly to you, this possibility has been covered. The mail is being rejected by "mail.connected.net.nz". For the lists information, I provide the following: <COPY> Reporting-MTA: dns; mta2.xtra.co.nz Arrival-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:22:12 +1300 Received-From-MTA: dns; profix002 (210.54.79.164) Final-Recipient: RFC822; <sales(a)comsolve.co.nz> Action: failed Status: 5.1.3 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.connected.net.nz (202.180.73.237) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) Final-Recipient: RFC822; <michael(a)comsolve.co.nz> Action: failed Status: 5.1.3 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.connected.net.nz (202.180.73.237) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) </COPY> Xtra's helpdesk is looking into the matter. They say that the problem APPEARS to be at their end. Users of other ISP's have no such issues with comsolve.co.nz. I would like to express my gratitude to the following: (For their assistance) Wally, So Bradford, Juha, Simon and members of the Xtra helpdesk for looking into this matter. (And anyone else I have missed). Best regards, Michael Hallager Unix Systems Administrator / Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited http://www.comsolve.net.nz On Friday 04 January 2002 22:26, you wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Michael Hallager wrote: > > Mail from Xtra users to "anything(a)comsolve.co.nz" is being bounced > > back to them along with a .dat information file. > > > > Closer inspection of this .dat file reveals that Xtra's (DNS servers?) > > thinks that mail.connected.net.nz is STILL the destination mail server > > despite me not being with Connected since 1998. > > > > Yes- I have kept my DNS zonefiles and Domainz information well > > up-to-date for the last 4 years since moving from Connected and > > running my own mailserver.... > > > > This may merit some looking into. I have contacted Xtra and found > > their (Contracted to Teletech) helpdesk helpful enough (Even though > > I have never been a client of Xtra's) but unable to assist with > > somewhat technical matters of this nature. (They are passing the > > matter on they say). > > > > How many others have been caught out like this? > > I have seen this at least once before, what it was the domain had > previously used Xtra for it's mail, later on they moved to ihug but their > config wasn't removed from all of Xtra's mailservers. So some mail from > Xtra attempted to go to the old mailboxes (which no longer existed). > > From memory Xtra cleared it up pretty quickly once they were aware of it. > postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz would be the natural person to contact. Thanks Simon, As per the email sent directly to you, this possibility has been covered. The mail is being rejected by "mail.connected.net.nz". For the lists information, I provide the following: <COPY> Reporting-MTA: dns; mta2.xtra.co.nz Arrival-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:22:12 +1300 Received-From-MTA: dns; profix002 (210.54.79.164) Final-Recipient: RFC822; <sales(a)comsolve.co.nz> Action: failed Status: 5.1.3 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.connected.net.nz (202.180.73.237) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) Final-Recipient: RFC822; <michael(a)comsolve.co.nz> Action: failed Status: 5.1.3 Remote-MTA: dns; mail.connected.net.nz (202.180.73.237) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) </COPY> Xtra's helpdesk is looking into the matter. They say that the problem APPEARS to be at their end. Users of other ISP's have no such issues with comsolve.co.nz. I would like to express my gratitude to the following: (For their assistance) Wally, So Bradford, Juha, Simon and members of the Xtra helpdesk for looking into this matter. (And anyone else I have missed). Best regards, Michael Hallager Unix Systems Administrator / Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited http://www.comsolve.net.nz On Friday 04 January 2002 22:26, you wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Michael Hallager wrote: > > Mail from Xtra users to "anything(a)comsolve.co.nz" is being bounced > > back to them along with a .dat information file. > > > > Closer inspection of this .dat file reveals that Xtra's (DNS servers?) > > thinks that mail.connected.net.nz is STILL the destination mail server > > despite me not being with Connected since 1998. > > > > Yes- I have kept my DNS zonefiles and Domainz information well > > up-to-date for the last 4 years since moving from Connected and > > running my own mailserver.... > > > > This may merit some looking into. I have contacted Xtra and found > > their (Contracted to Teletech) helpdesk helpful enough (Even though > > I have never been a client of Xtra's) but unable to assist with > > somewhat technical matters of this nature. (They are passing the > > matter on they say). > > > > How many others have been caught out like this? > > I have seen this at least once before, what it was the domain had > previously used Xtra for it's mail, later on they moved to ihug but their > config wasn't removed from all of Xtra's mailservers. So some mail from > Xtra attempted to go to the old mailboxes (which no longer existed). > > From memory Xtra cleared it up pretty quickly once they were aware of it. > postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz would be the natural person to contact. ------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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XTRA's DNS, WHF is going on.....?
by Michael Hallager 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Hi all, Mail from Xtra users to "anything(a)comsolve.co.nz" is being bounced back to them along with a .dat information file. Closer inspection of this .dat file reveals that Xtra's (DNS servers?) thinks that mail.connected.net.nz is STILL the destination mail server despite me not being with Connected since 1998. Yes- I have kept my DNS zonefiles and Domainz information well up-to-date for the last 4 years since moving from Connected and running my own mailserver.... This may merit some looking into. I have contacted Xtra and found their (Contracted to Teletech) helpdesk helpful enough (Even though I have never been a client of Xtra's) but unable to assist with somewhat technical matters of this nature. (They are passing the matter on they say). How many others have been caught out like this? Best regards, Michael Hallager Unix Systems Administrator / Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited http://www.comsolve.net.nz PS) Luckily all my users have their own domain names or use @comsolve.NET.nz email addresses! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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News about Alan Brown
by Juha Saarinen 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Well, say what you like, but he's tenacious. http://makeashorterlink.com/?E1321254 -- "it should be noted that the "STATEMENT TO ALL" which I posted in June 2001 was written by Telecom's lawyers and posted under duress - while the judge was made aware that the statement contained falsehoods, I was ordered to post it anyway, or be arrested and jailed until such time as I was willing to post it." http://makeashorterlink.com/?I5621254 -- :I'd advocate blocking the NZ courts servers too(**) and see how long that opinion lasts in the face of widespread demonstrations of reality. (**)All NZ courts traffic originates from 203.167.239.224 - 203.167.239.231 for those so inclined, with a domain of courts.govt.nz" http://makeashorterlink.com/?G5921454 -- "I instructed my lawyer to begin perjery proceedings against the xtra managers concerned in August 2001, however he refuses tobring the action as it would put him in both career and physical danger due to retaliatory action from Telecom Corporation of New Zealand." -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ICONZ-networks prefix list update (formerly known as Asia Online)
by David Fox 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Hello and Happy New Year to all peering partners. With all the "developments" in the latter months of last year, Asia Online is now reverting to and trading as ICONZ. Can all those who peer with Asia Online at APE and WIX please update your inbound prefix-list as we will be merging in new networks in the very near future. Thanks and Regards David Fox Network Engineer ICONZ ! ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks description Internet Co. NZ Ltd, contact: networks(a)iconz.net ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 5 permit 138.235.0.0/16 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 10 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 15 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 20 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.21.130.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.36.32.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.36.76.0/23 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.36.157.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.37.73.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 70 permit 202.37.163.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 75 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 80 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 85 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 90 permit 202.37.232.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 95 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 100 permit 202.50.139.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 105 permit 202.50.246.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 110 permit 202.74.192.0/20 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 115 permit 203.9.179.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 120 permit 203.9.180.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 125 permit 210.48.0.0/17 le 18 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 130 permit 210.54.0.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 135 permit 210.54.136.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 140 permit 210.54.140.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 145 permit 210.54.160.0/19 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 150 permit 210.55.24.0/22 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 155 permit 210.55.253.0/24 ip prefix-list ICONZ-networks seq 160 permit 210.185.16.0/20 le 21 ! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Are static IPs over Jetstart possible and are they legitimate?
by Michael Hallager 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Hi all, The following is taken verbatim from a local ISP's site: (today). -- <copy> -- * Static IP's for Jetstart are offered over PPTP tunnels. The pricing quoted includes the setup of the PPTP tunnel on our side, but does not include client support, which is currently charged at $120 per hour if required. -- </copy> -- And then under the Jetstart service description field: -- <copy> -- * Servers are allowed * Static IPs over tunnels $20/mth -- </copy> -- Anyone tried this? Does it work? If so, how well? Is it legitimate? Wishing everyone a happy 2002. Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited http://www.comsolve.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Bigbens faulty chimes
by Ben Martel 02 Jan '02

02 Jan '02

Hi all, The problem with bigben.clix.net.nz has been rectified. This was a fault with the Truetime software and we have had a temporary fix shipped from the USA. They are currently burning new EPROMs to send out that corrects the problem permanently. Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused. And yes we have pointed out to them that stratum 1 time sources SHOULD NOT HAVE BUGS!!!! ~ben =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Ben Martel Ph: +64 9 9124067 TelstraClear Fax:+64 9 9125008 Mob:+64 21 541202 =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ ~ben =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Ben Martel Ph: +64 9 9124067 TelstraClear Fax:+64 9 9125008 Mob:+64 21 541202 =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Te Aroha Autoresponse
by Dean Pemberton 01 Jan '02

01 Jan '02

Can someone unsub This dude till the 8th of august? It would be ok if he was only sending one reply per person - but this is the third one I've got. We need a rule about this in the AUP too =) Dean On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 06:04:36PM +1300, autoresponse(a)maxnet.co.nz wrote: > Hi There > > Thank you for your email. > > I will be on holiday until the 8th of January. If you require technical > assistance, please contact the helpdesk on the details that follow. Until > then, have a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year! > > Regards > > > Te Aroha > Helpdesk Supervisor > Maxnet > PO Box 8006 > Auckland 1035 > http://www.maxnet.co.nz > support(a)maxnet.co.nz > Helpdesk: 09 300-7555 > General: 09 300-7222 > Fax: 09 300-7227 > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Thanks...
by Juha Saarinen 01 Jan '02

01 Jan '02

Ian, Phill, Keith, Andy and Dean, for the meteorogical pointers. -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Sort of OT: are there any "Internet enabled" temperature sensors/servers for Auckland?
by Phill Groom 01 Jan '02

01 Jan '02

At 3:47 PM +1300 2/1/02, Juha Saarinen wrote: >Measuring the outside temperature, with geographic location given. You could also try; pgroom(a)muffin:~> wget -q ftp://weather.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/decoded/NZAA.TXT ; cat NZAA.TXT Auckland Airport, New Zealand (NZAA) 37-01S 174-48E 6M Jan 01, 2002 - 10:00 PM EST / 2002.01.02 0300 UTC Wind: from the SSW (210 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT):0 Sky conditions: mostly clear Temperature: 75 F (24 C) Dew Point: 62 F (17 C) Relative Humidity: 64% Pressure (altimeter): 29.91 in. Hg (1013 hPa) ob: NZAA 020300Z 21009KT 20KM FEW050 24/17 Q1013 NOSIG RMK FUHZ cycle: 3 Have a look at http://205.156.54.206/oso/siteloc.shtml for other METAR codes. Phill. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Sort of OT: are there any "Internet enabled" temperature sensors/servers for Auckland?
by Juha Saarinen 01 Jan '02

01 Jan '02

Measuring the outside temperature, with geographic location given. -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Jan '02

01 Jan '02

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has just under 320 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities Thanks to Cisco and Juniper for the 2001 Christmas parties. The list administrator is likely to start in late January or early February seeking to twist arms in search of contributions for a conference in late June or early July 2002. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Te Aroha Autoresponse
by Mark Foster 31 Dec '01

31 Dec '01

Autoresponders SUCK when they respond to lists. *moan* At 21:05 1/01/2002 +1300, you wrote: >Hi There > >Thank you for your email. > >I will be on holiday until the 8th of January. If you require technical >assistance, please contact the helpdesk on the details that follow. Until >then, have a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year! > >Regards > > >Te Aroha >Helpdesk Supervisor >Maxnet >PO Box 8006 >Auckland 1035 >http://www.maxnet.co.nz >support(a)maxnet.co.nz >Helpdesk: 09 300-7555 >General: 09 300-7222 >Fax: 09 300-7227 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Fwd: Re: problems with NTP on bigben?
by Mark Foster 31 Dec '01

31 Dec '01

Dumbass that I am got the list addy wrong... >Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:13:54 +1300 >To: Dean Pemberton <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> >From: Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> >Subject: Re: problems with NTP on bigben? >Cc: nznog(a)lists.waikato.ac.nz > >Mine didnt. I hadnt checked untill it occurred to me that it might explain >the reason I got kicked off about 5 different irc networks simultaneously >at about 1 oclock.. > >I just checked it just now, with the date set at 2021 you get an 'invalid >arguement' error when trying to resynch.. i manually set it back and >resynched... > >phoenix:~# date 010121112002 >Tue Jan 1 21:11:00 NZDT 2002 >phoenix:~# ntpdate ntp.iconz.co.nz > 1 Jan 21:12:13 ntpdate[12973]: step time server 202.14.100.252 offset > -55.121430 sec > >guess my linux ntpdate isnt as good as yours :p > >Linux phoenix 2.2.17 #1 Sun Jun 25 09:24:41 EST 2000 i486 unknown > > >Mark. > > > >At 19:44 1/01/2002 +1300, you wrote: >>On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 10:21:00PM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: >> > >> > I just saw three other Trutime GPS units perform similar acrobatics. >> > bigben.clix.net.nz is a Trutime GPS clock. Looks (to me) more like a >> > Trutime bug than a generic GPS clock bug. >> >>Yep - just turned on my Garmin II+ and it looks fine. So I'm inclined to >>agree that it's a Trutime problem rather than a generic GPS issue. >> >>Also interesting to note that linux ntp just looked at bigben and said >>"PFFFT right - not believeing you anymore" and went to an anternate server. >> >>Good dog! >> >> >>Dean >>- >>To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>where the body of your message reads: >>unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom Rentals to Go Up Because of too many Internet Calls
by Craig Whitmore 31 Dec '01

31 Dec '01

Just something I saw this morning that some people might be interested in. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=584153 Quote from the Article. "Deputy Prime Minister Jim Anderton said he was concerned that a small minority of people over-using their home internet connections had contributed to the latest rental increase." I guess the government is telling all NZers to use the Internet Less :-( Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Thanks
by Sue Leader 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Hi Now that I'm subbed under new address......I tried to say yesterday: > Thanks Roger, for hosting the NZNOG Christmas event in Wellington last night. It was great to catch up with everyone away from work. Those chocolate strawberries were pretty good :-) My thanks also - good to put some faces to names. I'll give the list a call on the new IP phone once I've figured out how to plug it into my cellphone ;-) Cheers Sue > > > Regards / Ian <snip> Sue Leader - Executive Director InternetNZ Voice: +64-4-472-1600 Fax: +64-4-472-1207 Level 4, Hibernian Building, 89 Willis Street (P.O.Box 11-881) Wellington http://www.internetnz.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Thanks
by Ian Quinn 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

Thanks Roger, for hosting the NZNOG Christmas event in Wellington last night. It was great to catch up with everyone away from work. Those chocolate strawberries were pretty good :-) Regards / Ian - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Final Reminder - NZNOG Xmas Special - Wellington
by Roger De Salis 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

> > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > > Who: As above > > RSVP to: moi Reminder to everyone, and a note to say I shall be a fraction late, probably get back to the office about 4.15pm... T-Shirts have arrived, and IP-Phone for the raffle is all packed up..... SO PLEASE BRING YOUR BUSINESS CARDS for the raffle /R -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Email from Real Networks (real-net.net).
by Simon Lyall 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

I've been having a little problem with these guys over the last couple of weeks. Basicly they send out an email to a huge number of customers (everybody who every registered their software). The problem is that at over 2000 over the @ihug.co.nz address are no longer active and the emails bounce. I don't care about the above but their machines that handle the bounces are totally overloaded so the bounces hang obout in my outgoing queue slowing things down (until I gave them their own queue entry). Has anyone else experienced this problem? Any luck getting real networks to bulk unsubscribe a few thousand addresses at a time. I don't want to block them or anything since presumably most legit customers who get this email want it. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Found at Cisco Auckland after party......
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

Matthew G Brown wrote: You mean can dealers RIG the raffle and take the prizes home for extensive R&D Drat Dean, He found us out. I confess Matthew. I attempted to Rig it in Auckland so I won the first Cisco polo-shirt. Always wanted to know how those things worked!! :-) Regards Kefyn JUDSON Data Solutions Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)sms.judson.to

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RE: Archives of this List
by Stephen Andrew 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

> -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2001 09:32 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Archives of this List [snip] After reading Donald's email I found this tacked to the bottom: > > "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following > annotations on 12/11/01 09:31:41 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not > the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose > anything about it. Thank you." > ============================================================================ == As this is added to the *bottom* of the email how reasonable is it to expect people not to have read the email before getting there? Just wondering. -- Andrew J. Stephen Phone +64 4 496 4484 Team Leader, Network Operations Mobile +64 25 582 304 New Zealand Post Fax +64 4 496 4914 "Certainly, Windows XP is no Calista Flockhart. XP has so much pomp and circumstance that it's front-end weighs more than that of the cast of Baywatch." -- JonnyGURU, http://www.systemlogic.net/agurusworld/19/ This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Archives of this List
by Donald Neal 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

Having received more feedback hostile to the idea of changing the archive than supportive of it, I have this morning advised Mr. Bamberger that I am not willing at this time to edit the NZNOG list archive. This is for the same reasons I have stated before, that I do not see myself as the owner of the archive and do not accept responsibility for the archives' contents. I do not have any objection to the removal of the name and address of a non-subscriber where that information has no operational use. I have previously said publicly that I am happy to cooperate with the Office of the Privacy Commissioner, and I remain happy to do so. My understanding of the law, as has been stated by others on this list, is that jurisdiction flows from who controls a "database", not where it is physically located. I will not associate myself with Joe Abley's archive of this list. This is not because I have any objection to Joe, nor because I doubt his right to hold a copy of the archive. But I do not wish to be placed in a position where I'm obliged under New Zealand law to do something it turns out I'm not in practice able to do. As has also been observed before, it would be helpful if people didn't post material to this list which doesn't need to be here. This list does exist for a purpose. Please bear that in mind when posting. Donald Neal Mailing List Administrator -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/11/01 09:31:41 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Found at Cisco Auckland after party......
by Matthew G Brown 09 Dec '01

09 Dec '01

You mean can dealers RIG the raffle and take the prizes home for extensive R&D | Matthew G Brown | B & R Holdings LIMITED | Nelson, New Zealand | 03 5446443 | 025 807731 | Matt(a)BRH.CO.Nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Pemberton" <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> To: "Roger De Salis" <rdesalis(a)cisco.com> Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:29 AM Subject: Re: Found at Cisco Auckland after party...... > On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 04:05:30PM +1300, Roger De Salis wrote: > > and not recognised by anyone at Cisco > > > > Shirt: Polar fleece ( no sleeves) dark navy/black - > > Name on label on front 'Patagonia' > > Sony FM Stereo mega bass in pocket > > > > Any Takers? or should we add it to the raffle for the > > Wellington party? > > Can vendors get in on the raffle? > > Dean =) > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Found at Cisco Auckland after party......
by Roger De Salis 09 Dec '01

09 Dec '01

and not recognised by anyone at Cisco Shirt: Polar fleece ( no sleeves) dark navy/black - Name on label on front 'Patagonia' Sony FM Stereo mega bass in pocket Any Takers? or should we add it to the raffle for the Wellington party? R -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NZNOG Xmas Special - Auckland
by Kefyn Judson (ENZ) 09 Dec '01

09 Dec '01

Hello, This is by way of an intro. You will be please to hear that Andreas hat is on its way. Lin the game on the phone was Defender (remember that game?) and we can announce that Dean is the galactic champion, followed closely by GJS and Dave. I too thoroughly enjoyed the evening. Thanks to Roger and team for their hospitality, and to Dean for his generosity at the bar and with the ..... spiff. Hey Roger, Vendors could win Juniper spiff! (Another story) It was great to get to meet you all and I look forward to doing the same online. Regards Kefyn JUDSON Data Solutions Architect ERICSSON New Zealand * Phone: +64 9 3555 461 * Mobile: +61 21 535 331 * E-mail: kefyn.judson(a)ericsson.co.nz * SMS: kefyn(a)sms.judson.to -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2001 6:54 PM To: Andreas Girardet Cc: Lin Nah; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; kefyn.Judson(a)ericsson.co.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG Xmas Special - Auckland Kefyn Judson from Ericsson said that he dan your contact details and said that he would forward it on. Here is his email address incase kefyn.Judson(a)ericsson.co.nz Dean On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 12:50:52PM +1300, Andreas Girardet wrote: > That someone was myself, who has got my redhat? > > :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Lin Nah > Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2001 00:37 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NZNOG Xmas Special - Auckland > > > > Thank you to Dean and Roger for the lovely evening. I am sure others > who attended would agree (saving all from the aol me too thing) > > For those of you who missed it... > > I arrived sometime between 5:30 and 6pm to find that I had missed out on > the cisco spiff (like IP phone for one, t-shirts appeared to have been > given out to a few more). So the idea is to go early ;) > The Junniper spiffs are also limited in number. Apart from that I > won't spoil the surprise. Let's just say it was tested for its > beerproofness (and passed) > > Obviously the empty satay sticks told me I had missed something with > meat on it. Some nznogers appear not to like olives as there were a > few empty sticks with an olive left on them. Never fear, there was > other things like cheese, strawberries and cherries, mincetarts, > panforte, and other christmas snacks, nice chardonnay (well I enjoyed > a few glasses of it), beer and even V. > > Lots of people there. I won't say I remember all their names. However > here's a few (trying to list them by their affliations) ... > Cisco: Roger De Salis and Aaron Scott (there's probably one or two more) > Juniper: Dean Pemberton > Ihug: Bart Kindt, Anand Lal, Simon Lyall, Simon Allard, and Glen Wilson > Telstra/Clear: Tony Wicks and Matt Camp (there was someone else - I forget > who) > Telecom/Xtra: Ted Grenfell, David Robb and someone wearing a redhat cap but > left it behind. He did tell me his name but I forgot. > Callplus/Attica: John Russell, James Tyson and Matthew Poole > ICONZ: Steve Phillips and David Fox > Quicksilver: Mark Frater and moi > Zombie: Bryce Coad and Ben (embarrasing but his name has escaped my mind > atm) > Erricson: Kefyn Judson (he just discovered nznog's existence this week) > And lots others I don't remember who plus a few I don't know who etc. > > Everyone got on very well. Seriously I don't think the work affliations > above really mattered. A subset (about 20) of the group went to > Playhouse (a pub by Aotea Square) for more drinks (this was on Juniper). > By the time we left Playhouse at 10:15pm, the group had depleted to around > 8. > > Nothing like a group of geeks together drinking. Kefyn's cellphone was part > of the entertainment as it had a cool game (no I don't remember what it is). > A few tried to beat each other's scores. Flying lessons (or going for a > pilot's licence) appears to be popular among the group. A substantial > number of those at the playhouse were going for their licences. > Lots of geek speak > > I'll leave it to Roger and Dean to do the Drinks tally of Auck vs Wgtn > after the wellington event. All I can say is I wasn't thirsty. > > Cisco and Juniper rUlZ !!! > > Thanks for the enjoyable evening > > Lin > ps really sorry if I didn't remember your name or missed you out. > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog

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Archives of this list. 'official' policy.
by Colin Palmer 09 Dec '01

09 Dec '01

[having permission to say this on behalf of the UoW ITS department this time: ] Basically, we're going to side with all the others that said editing a post to remove public infomation even once will be starting a precedent we don't want. So: We are not going to be editing anything, nor requiring list owners to excercise any kind of editorial control if they don't wish. Though we will, of course, co-operate with the office of the New Zealand Privacy Commissioner in any case that is brought to their attention. -- ** Colin Palmer, Systems and Development Group, University of Waikato, NZ ** - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Simon Byrnand 08 Dec '01

08 Dec '01

At 12:54 PM 7/12/01 +1300, Frank March wrote: >Under the Privacy Act, anyone is entitled to ask for information held about >them on a database (a Web site qualifies as such under the Act IIRC) to be >corrected or amended, or deleted should the information no longer have any >purpose in being stored. [snip] Nice argument, except for the fact that the list archives are *archives* not a database. If the law considers any website regardless of content as automatically being a database, then the law is stupid and in need of changing. Is an old newspaper considered a database just because it might have information on people? (no, its an archive) no difference here. The list archives are just an automated, electronic version of what librarians have been doing with newspapers for years - archiving articles for future record. If somebody libels you in a newspaper article, can you go around telling all the librarians in the country to cut that page out of their archive version of the newspaper ? I think not. Get a retraction printed in a future edition, yes. I don't see a difference here. Just because technology makes it *possible* to do revisionist censorship of archives doesn't mean we should...and yes, I think Joe Ableys idea is a good one :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: The Archives, Again
by Joe Abley 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 09:55:28AM +1300, Rob Isaac wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Joe Abley wrote: > > > I threw an archive up on a machine outside NZ: > > > > http://archive.nznog.org/ > > Note that the URLs to individual messages are not equivalent, and that the > message Donald is enquiring about is: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html > > But in the unofficial archive, the URL is: > > http://archive.nznog.org/2001-10/msg00137.html Oh, yeah. The thing I just threw up is not a mirror of the waikato archive; it is generated quite independently by list mail being received. I seeded it with archive mail I requested from majordomo at waikato, which was subsequently fake-delivered though it was new mail in order to build the archive history. The chances of URLs being equivalent between the two archives are somewhat remote. Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The Archives, Again
by Donald Neal 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

NZNOG People, On 9 October this year, a Domainz registration record was posted to this list. That included the name, address and phone numbers of a domain name holder who has no association with this list. He has now written to The University of Waikato asking them to remove his personal details from the archive for this list. That request has been passed on to me. My views on this are: 1/ The archive isn't my property, and I won't accept responsibility for its contents. 2/ Past threats by subscribers to publish their own copies of the archive make such changes of little practical use. 3 / Since 1/, and 2/ have not had any apparent impact on the man in question, I have no problem with asking subscribers about this, and agreeing to the removal of holder personal details (only) from the posting in question if subscribers are happy with that. So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can be read at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so promptly and briefly. - Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Administrator -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/07/01 11:46:43 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT:A call to arms, to help a lowly newbie Cisco guy!
by Malcolm Lockyer 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

Hey All! Well, I recently took on the task of configuring a cisco 2503 to work on a frame relay. As anyone who has looked at the cisco documentation would note, that it isn't very user friendly for newbies, and it aint very consise. Today I spent 1 1/2 hours tryin' to configure the 2503 (note, although it is a 2503, we are not using the ISDN interface - we are only using the 2503 because it was aquired very cost effectivly BG). I can make the Ethernet interface work with no problems at all, and can ping and so forth back and forth between a linux box. I cannot make it do anything with the frame interface, the system summary tells me that the interface is okay - and it is 'up', but pings to specfic I.P's do nothing, as do pings from the linux box ( I have setup the default gateway properly). I know people would charge a lot of money for advice like this, but I'm appealing to anybody who kinda knows what they are doing when it comes to 2500 series routers. Make this your good dead of the year BG. So, if anybody could run through the process of configuring a 2503 for a single frame relay on Serial0, and what I have to type, and do etc. and the local settings (like the routing protocal used). It would be more appreciated than you could ever imagine :D. And I'd find a way to pay you back (at least partialy) somtime. Well, THANK YOU VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE!! Just a little info about our setup: The 2503 is connected to an NTU via an x.21 cable on Serial0. The frame has a PVC of 64K - and will be used for radius. It is tempararily connected through an AUI to Ethernet adaptor, to a hub ( will be a switch once it works :P). Well, I just have to say THANK YOU once again :D. Best regards, Malcolm (hivemind) Lockyer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Frank March 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

<also encompassing comments from John Russell and Chris Wedgewood, and Simon Brynand subsequently> This case is altogether different from the last request that was made: in that case the person was a poster to this list and compounded the issue by making further statements on the list. The issue here is that someone whose name is not in any way associated with this list has had his details published on the list. Were this transient it probably would not matter at all. But the list is archived and on the Waikato University Web site at that. The fact that the same information is available on other publicly accessible Web sites or through Whois or whatever is not relevant. Under the Privacy Act, anyone is entitled to ask for information held about them on a database (a Web site qualifies as such under the Act IIRC) to be corrected or amended, or deleted should the information no longer have any purpose in being stored. The person concerned is exercising a legal right and Waikato University is obliged to recognise that. I am surprised that the request to Donald has not been couched rather more forcefully. If action is not taken it may well be; it is not impossible that Waikato University could request that this list be removed from the site altogether. They would be entitled to do so. In my view Donald, respecting the note you have made that you are not responsible for the archive and/or its contents; but in view of the responsibility you take on yourself to act as guardian of the list standards, if not as list moderator, you have no choice but to proceed as you have suggested and delete the person's personal details. The lesson here for us all, as noted by Chris already in his note, is that we should take care in the information placed onto the list (and hence the archive) if it is not ours to begin with. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lyall [SMTP:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 12:27 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: The Archives, Again > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: > > So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and > > holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can > > be read at > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and > > replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request > > of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so > > promptly and briefly. > > I'm a little confused as to why they want this removed, since exactly the > same information is on domainz's web site (and would be in the whois > database if it was working). I've checked and the information doesn't > appear to have been changed between what domains has now and what is on > the archive. > > > > -- > Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: > http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Simon Byrnand 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

At 04:04 PM 7/12/01 +1300, Tony McGregor wrote: >Sure, but when he does find some one holding information about him, in >NZ, the privacy act gives him the right to ask for it to be corrected. No data here needs "correcting" - the data is still up to date according to the domainz page. :-) (Ok, we're wildly off topic here, so I'll shut up now) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Mark Foster 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

I dont see the big deal insofar as what on earth are we doing that needs to be hidden from NZ jurisdiction? We have nothing to hide - isnt that the problem, that our archives are not hidden? :p I agree with the newspaper anology to a large degree - you cant change the past, even if its stored electronically and therefore is *able* to be modified. The only exception I would make was in the case of excessively libelious comments.. Where only the facts are recorded, it shouldnt be that big a deal? Im not sure if I should ask the question 'who reads our archives anyway?' because i'll probably find theres a lot of closet NZNOG'rs out there.. :) At 15:09 7/12/01 +1300, you wrote: >The Canadian Privacy Act is very similar in many respects to the New Zealand >one, slightly more strict I understand, but based on the same OECD Privacy >Guidelines and in full accord with the EU Directive on Privacy (NZ is >delinquent in some respects according to the EU). > >I am not sure quite what the position is wrt persons from outside Canadian >jurisdiction but Canadian law may be more likely to accommodate concerned NZ >citizens with info held on them in Canada than vice versa, as I understand >it. > *snip* - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nzno@lionra.net.nzRe: The Archives, Again (fwd
by Andy Linton 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: > So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and > holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can > be read at > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and > replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request > of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so > promptly and briefly. Given that the Domainz Terms of Service say: --- Use of information collected The management of the DNS involves the collection of personal information to provide public name listing services. This is in line with other Internet domain name registration services world-wide. Information is collected in one of two ways: * by .nz Provider/Agents acting on behalf of a name holder, or * directly from the name holder through the Domainz web site All information collected will be considered as information within the public domain. It may be published on the Domainz web site, and will be accessible to all users of the Internet. --- it seems difficult to see how someone can object to that information being accessible to those users of the Internet who access the NZNOG list archive. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Frank March 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

The Canadian Privacy Act is very similar in many respects to the New Zealand one, slightly more strict I understand, but based on the same OECD Privacy Guidelines and in full accord with the EU Directive on Privacy (NZ is delinquent in some respects according to the EU). I am not sure quite what the position is wrt persons from outside Canadian jurisdiction but Canadian law may be more likely to accommodate concerned NZ citizens with info held on them in Canada than vice versa, as I understand it. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [SMTP:jabley(a)automagic.org] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 15:01 > To: Tony McGregor > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: The Archives, Again > > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:11:23PM +1300, Tony McGregor wrote: > > Moving the archive off shore won't help either if the information is > > "held by" a New Zealand agency. I.E. if the list is a UoW list but > > someone else hosts the archives it's probably still covered. > > I'm not convinced I understand how the UoW could entice me to edit > my archives, speaking as a resident of Canada, and with reference > to an archive hosted in the US. > > But I'm happy to host the list too, if that helps :) Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Frank March 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

<B***ger> memory failure again. Nevertheless, my argument stands on the slightly modified ground of the details being of no direct relevance to the purpose of the list. Perhaps Joe's offer should be taken up. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Neal [SMTP:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 13:01 > To: Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: The Archives, Again > > >>> "Frank March" <Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz> 12/07/01 12:54 >>> > <also encompassing comments from John Russell and Chris Wedgewood, and > Simon > Brynand subsequently> > > >This case is altogether different from the last request that was made: > in > >that case the person was a poster to this list and compounded the > issue by > >making further statements on the list. > > The only previous case concerns Mr. Angelo. No, he wasn't a poster to > this list. No, he didn't make any statement to this list. It is possible > to argue that his actions were themselves relevant to the purpose of > this list, and that reports of his actions do not constitute personal > information. But both cases concern people who are not subscribers to > this list. > Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Donald Neal 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

>>> "Frank March" <Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz> 12/07/01 12:54 >>> <also encompassing comments from John Russell and Chris Wedgewood, and Simon Brynand subsequently> >This case is altogether different from the last request that was made: in >that case the person was a poster to this list and compounded the issue by >making further statements on the list. The only previous case concerns Mr. Angelo. No, he wasn't a poster to this list. No, he didn't make any statement to this list. It is possible to argue that his actions were themselves relevant to the purpose of this list, and that reports of his actions do not constitute personal information. But both cases concern people who are not subscribers to this list. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/07/01 13:01:01 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: The Archives, Again
by Simon Byrnand 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

At 12:27 PM 7/12/01 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: >> So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and >> holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can >> be read at >> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and >> replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request >> of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so >> promptly and briefly. >I'm a little confused as to why they want this removed, since exactly the >same information is on domainz's web site (and would be in the whois >database if it was working). I've checked and the information doesn't >appear to have been changed between what domains has now and what is on >the archive. If the information is in a publically accessible place like domainz, then its fair game as far as I can see. The reason for wanting it removed is more likely that he's trying to keep a low profile with a potentially controversial domain name, but those that might care are no doubt already aware of it.... :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Xmas Special - Auckland
by Roger De Salis 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Final reminder - roll up, roll up for the amazing NZNOG Xmas Function Make sure you bring a business card, (or something with your name on (eg $20 bill)) due to raffling of prizes Vendors excluded from prizes... > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sh int" > RSVP to: moi Pedants amongst you have forced a revision of my original "sho int" thus revealing my extremely infrequent use of IOS. Thanks to all who have responded so far, I hope I've responded to most. Anyone who arrives after the doors close, ring the cell phone below.... Don't forget the Wellington function on > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has just over 300 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities Thanks to Cisco and Juniper for the 2001 Christmas party. The list administrator may soon start seeking to twist arms in search of contributions for a conference in late June or early July 2002. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/06/01 13:23:34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Clearnets mail servers
by Olof Olsson 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

All, > Are there any Clear mail admins on this list? We are > currently queueing > about 10,000 messages for Zfree and Clear.net. Anyone else having the > same problem? > We have been experiencing a denial-of-service attack on our incoming mail servers this afternoon. This meant that incoming mail connections were intermittently refused. The issue has been resolved, and service should now be back to normal. --Olof -- Olof Olsson <oolsson(a)clear.co.nz> System Architect, CLEAR Communications Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Clearnets mail servers
by Jesse Ball 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Hi All, Are there any Clear mail admins on this list? We are currently queueing about 10,000 messages for Zfree and Clear.net. Anyone else having the same problem? Cheers, Jesse Ball Xtra Messaging Team - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight
by David Farrar 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Couldn't resist sharing this one with those likely to be familiar with RFC 1149. Most amusing part of the news story is when the pigeon hit a window so someone commented "Windows causing problems again" :-) DPF >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:24:30 -0800 >To: jwarren(a)well.com, farber(a)cis.upenn.edu, declan(a)well.com >From: Ron Avitzur <avitzur(a)pacifict.com> >Subject: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > >Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5825807.html > >>One of the Internet's most obscure technologies came to life last >>weekend: transmitting network information by carrier pigeon. >> >>In 1990, David Waitzman wrote RFC 1149, a tongue-in-cheek standard >>for using pigeons to transfer information using the Internet >>Protocol (IP). On Saturday, a group of Linux enthusiasts in Bergen, >>Norway, succeeded in exchanging some data using the Carrier Pigeon >>Internet Protocol (CPIP). For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IP Net Broken
by John Lynch 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

I case anyone was wondering Telecoms Radius server has exploded, taking out 80% of ipnet they working on it at the moment, oh took me ages to track down the right people, there help desk number is 0800 808126. John Lynch System Administrator (string and tape specialist) Wise Net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Hi All, I seem to recall some discussion a while back about the current state of orbz and also in relation to Xtra, but I can't locate it since the archives are not searchable. (At least not the ones I found) Is anybody here using any kind of automatic spam blacklisting system like orbz with success ? By success I mean that apart from being reliable, that it cuts down a worthwhile amount of spam but without blocking legitimate stuff. I know Xtra was blacklisted for quite some time, was that ever resolved ? Am I just asking for problems even just thinking about something like this ? Comments ? Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

At 04:16 PM 3/12/01 +1300, pete clare wrote: >> Well, ORBS closed down as far as I know, and now there is ORBZ, I don't >> know the relation between the two.... > >for what it's worth someone on a list said they had luck with >http://www.ordb.org For completeness, here is the URL for orbz http://www.orbz.org/ As pointed out by others there isnt any relation between ORBS and ORBZ. (or ORDB either probably - now we're getting confusing :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Article on Slashdot, quick comments
by Chris Wedgwood 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

As seen on the worlds greatest 'Stupidity Amplifier'; slashdot: http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/11/08/0237233.shtml ikekrull asks: "After looking to see how I could set up my company's LAN to be multi-homed? , I found that it would be next-to-impossible for me to do this. 'Providerless' IP addresses are no longer allocated to anybody in this part of the world (New Zealand) by APNIC? , unless you meet requirements (financial and political) that are pretty much unmeetable by anyone but a large ISP. Does this put control of the entire internet further and further into the hands of large corporate players, and and is anyone particularly interested in changing this situation?" [...] Since this was posted by someone in New Zealand is comments on APNIC directly (of which there are employees on this list) I should point out: It is my belief, based on experience in doing just this and from dealing with APNIC for several years, that being a small ISP or network user does NOT necessarily mean you are 'shut out' in any shape or form whatsoever; you can in-fact have one or both carriers take your case(s) for multi-homing to APNIC and potentially have them allocate a /24 (or whatever is appropriate) --- this address space would not be part of the carriers CIDR block and need not give the carrier leverage over your company or network as the address space can be delegate to the end-user not the carrier. I have done this before (after discussing this with people from APNIC and conforming that this was indeed a legitimate situation), is there any reason to believe that this situation has changed radically? --cw P.S. Thinking an email address like blortnospam(a)foo.com obscures your email address is bogus and just plain annoying; please don't do it people, many email address acquiring 'bots know of such patterns and will correct for them anyhow. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Citylink FTP & AONL
by Ben Martel 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

FYI, There is also a mirror of ftp.debian.org here: ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/mirror/ftp.debian.org/ ~benm > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 9:28 a.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: Citylink FTP & AONL > > > It shouldn't be getting filtered at APE, but we did ask AOL to stick a > block on for whatever they defined as international traffic (which I > suspect included most Global Gateway customers, due to peering > difficulties at the time). The 5 figure monthly bills for > international > data to a public-good service for the NZ net community was > just getting > a bit more than we could bear... > > It'll be fixed when icafe go onto WIX, but in the meantime if > you could > send through a full traceroute of the path you take to 210.48.103.6, > I'll check it out. Leaning on your upstream provider to join WIX is > worthwhile as well. > > Cheers > Si > > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 11:40:37PM +1300, James Spooner said: > > > > > > > > icafe:~# host ftp.nz.debian.org > > ftp.nz.debian.org CNAME ftp.citylink.co.nz > > ftp.citylink.co.nz A 210.48.103.6 > > > > > > 23:36:27.802471 icafe.44069 > > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz.ftp: S 2511414778:2511414778(0) > win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 466231697[|tcp]> (DF) > > 23:36:27.816580 asiaonlinenz.ape.net.nz > icafe: icmp: host > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz unreachable - admin prohibited filter > > > > ftp.citylink.co.nz seems to be pointing at one of AONL's > IPs, which seems > > to be filtered on port 21 at APE. > > > > Could the relevant network admins clarify please? > > > > Regards > > > > James Spooner > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > James Spooner WAND Group - > University of Waikato NZ > > Networks Lab - G.1.03 WWW: > http://wand.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jbs3 > > Phone: +64 7 8384466 extn 6728 Email: > jbs3(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz > > Mobile: +64 21 447 638 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to > majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Asia Online prefix-list update
by David Fox 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

All those who peer with Asia Online can you please remove 202.50.16.0/21 The current prefix-list is: ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 le 18 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.36.76.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 210.54.0.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 138.235.0.0/16 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 203.9.179.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 203.9.180.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 210.185.16.0/20 le 21 Thanks and Regards David Fox - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Citylink FTP & AONL
by James Spooner 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

icafe:~# host ftp.nz.debian.org ftp.nz.debian.org CNAME ftp.citylink.co.nz ftp.citylink.co.nz A 210.48.103.6 23:36:27.802471 icafe.44069 > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz.ftp: S 2511414778:2511414778(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 466231697[|tcp]> (DF) 23:36:27.816580 asiaonlinenz.ape.net.nz > icafe: icmp: host ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz unreachable - admin prohibited filter ftp.citylink.co.nz seems to be pointing at one of AONL's IPs, which seems to be filtered on port 21 at APE. Could the relevant network admins clarify please? Regards James Spooner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Spooner WAND Group - University of Waikato NZ Networks Lab - G.1.03 WWW: http://wand.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jbs3 Phone: +64 7 8384466 extn 6728 Email: jbs3(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Mobile: +64 21 447 638 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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beer?
by Dean Pemberton 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

It's in the AUB so I'm allowed to talk about it. I'm in Auckland this week so anyone want to get together for a drink? I know that the nznog xmassy thing is on Wednesday but thats like all of 3 days away. Drop an email if you are keen. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Microsoft taking password security a little too seriously.
by Matt Camp 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q276/3/04.ASP --- Matt Camp - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ prefix usage
by David Miller 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Further to the recent discussions on prefix portability, I thought the list would be interested in this survey conducted by CAIDA, one of our research partners in the US: http://www.caida.org/analysis/geopolitical/bgp2country/ -- David Miller, BCMS (Hons) Dept. Computer Science, Waikato University, NEW ZEALAND. Mobile: +64-21-704-djm Email my mobile phone (free): Fax: +64-21-304-djm http://www.mtnsms.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet BGP Filters Update
by Craig Whitmore 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi.... Can everyone who is peering with Orcon Internet Please update your BGP lists/filters to allow the additional networks: AS: 17746 IP: 192.203.154.66 and 192.203.154.67 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.50.124.0/22 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.90.0/24 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.91.0/24 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.92.0/22 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.244.0/22 Thanks Craig Whitmore Systems Administrator Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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provider independant IP allocations
by Drew Whittle 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

A client of ours has a provider independant assignment in the 203.0.0.0 to 203.63.255.255 range. I know that this was originally an allocated block to AUNIC in Australia, but with the switch back to APNIC the client now wants to know if they can use them here in New Zealand? I haven't managed to work out what is routable here in New Zealand and what isn't, anyone able to provider further information? (Yes I know that just because it is provider independant doesn't mean that upstream providers will route it) Thanks, Drew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: nznog archives
by Chris Wedgwood 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:33:52AM +1300, Lindsay Druett wrote: Unedited and fully intact ? Yes, unless I decide to mess with them --- perhaps blur evidence of my horrendous spelling and poor grammar :) --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: provider independant IP allocations
by cfb 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Juha Saarinen wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > > > Ironically NZ is probably cheaper than the US for bandwidth now (for > > home users and small businesses certainly). And by and large the > > quality of service is no worse. > > :::BOGGLE::: What? How? Eh? When did this happen? Hang on... oh... you > mean to a select few, Not even... last time I priced provider bandwidth, it was on par with Japan, which is the most has the most expensive bandwidth of those countries who's telcos aren't "state owned/run". Things may have changed significantly with the landing of the southern cross cable, but I doubt it. I have been seeing some *really* odd routing using the visual traceroute utility going through NZ... I pray to god that some of the apparent pathing is due to stale DNS LOC records and/or a dated APNIC allocation db (I suppose it *might* be due to economics), cause what I've been seeing is completely whacky. > and not to the great unwashed Internet users, who > are still paying through every possible orifice for a basic broadband > service sans SLAs. Even Japan has tossed per-miniute billing for internet use and *nobody* of any significance does usage based billing (well, maybe parts of Europe and Ireland). The most recent curious thing to pop up (in Japan) is flat-rate 64kbps wireless access (and the kicker is that compaq flash is the primary form factor for access devices). I cringe whenever I see somebody downunder writing about international IP traffic settlement fees. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nznog archives
by Chris Wedgwood 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

I have (somewhere or other) nznog archives for the last two or three years (I dunno, a while anyhow). It occurred to me people might want these for easy reference or whatever; if so, let me know and I'll sort something out... (probably just email them to you as I'm lazy). --cw P.S. I also have isoncnz, linux-kernel, zebra, nanog and various other lists archives away on various disks spread across various hemispheres. If there is enough interested I will resurrect these and perhaps make them available. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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News from IDG
by Juha Saarinen 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

In case you haven't seen it already... http://makeashorterlink.com/?M3FD10F2 -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: News from IDG
by Donald Neal 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

>>> "Te Aroha" <tearoha(a)maxnet.co.nz> 11/27/01 10:18 >>> >Regardless I think it could set an Ugly precendent if he succeeds in what he >wants. Archives are Archives. Perhaps he is secretly enjoying the notoriety. Or not very secretly. How about we all treat this as an individual seeking notoriety and not consume yet more bandwith with it? I undertake to advise the list if I hear from the Office of the Privacy Commissioner. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Autoresponders
by Michael Hallager 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Could lake(a)clear.co.nz and baptista(a)pccf.net fix their issues. It is annoying posting to a list to get peoples autoreponders. Michael Hallager

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Co-Location wanted. (Southland)
by Michael Hallager 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi all, I am seeking co-location and/or a frame relay link in the invecargill area. If am after a reasonable price or may be prepared to swap for co-location in the Auckland area. Please email me offlist with your phone number and area code. Last of all, I am only interested in hearing from people that can techspeak. michael(a)vivid.net.nz Michael Hallager

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No guarantees over JetStream fixes
by Craig Whitmore 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Something more from Telecom about Jetstream Fixes http://www.idg.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/771A7624F65F5A2CCC256B0B00144ED4!opend ocument Thanks Craig Whitmore http://www.nzdsl.co.nz New Zealand DSL Information - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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VPN 5001 For Sale
by Thomas Salmen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

If anyone is interested in purchasing a VPN 5001 Concentrator, I have one for sale. Please contact me off-list. -- Regards, Thomas Salmen System Administrator Radionet Ltd. 72 Paul Matthews Road Albany, Auckland, New Zealand Ph: +64 9 4140 300 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by Juha Saarinen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Apologies again for the wrapped output, but would I be right in thinking that there's a problem between hop 5 and 6 in the below mtr trace to www.telecom.co.nz? Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst 1. 210.48.100.1 0% 27 27 1 1 2 5 2. s0.ts9.ak.nz.asiaonline.net 0% 27 27 12 12 14 37 3. f0-0.core2.ak.nz.asiaonline.net 0% 27 27 11 11 14 32 4. netgate.ape.net.nz 0% 26 26 41 11 17 49 5. bis-dom.akcr5.netgate.net.nz 0% 26 26 12 12 18 58 6. 210.48.100.1 100% 0 26 0 0 0 0 7. 146.171.18.242 0% 26 26 18 14 20 68 -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by David Fox 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Rather than post to a public forum, I suggest logging a problem with the Help Desk may result in speedier investigation/resolution. :) Thanks David Fox Network Engineer Internet Corporate Solutions trading as Asia Online -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 09:43 To: J S Russell Cc: NZNOG Subject: Re: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing... On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Oh well... guess Telecom's Web was designed to load at ~5 minutes per page > then. ^ site -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by Juha Saarinen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

No, don't worry about it David... I was just trying to satisfy my own curiosity here, not report a problem. On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, David Fox wrote: > Rather than post to a public forum, I suggest logging a problem with the > Help Desk may result in speedier investigation/resolution. :) > > Thanks David Fox > Network Engineer > Internet Corporate Solutions trading as Asia Online -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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No packet loss at Telstra
by Juha Saarinen 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

I gather that my message was taken wrong way, and seen as an attack on the integrity of TSNZ's network operations[1]. The problem wasn't in Telstra's network, I read the mtr output wrongly, and many apologies for that. Now back to the regular programming. -- Regards, Juha Removing sig! For great justice! [1] This is not to say that all list members took the message the wrong way of course, only a few of the prickly variety. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Problems with Southern Cross to Aussie?
by mat＠voyager.co.nz 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Yep, I note also from Optus -> Xtra has high latency as well Performing trace to www.xtra.co.nz... 1 FastEth8-1-0.sb1.optus.net.au (192.168.34.2) 1.837 ms 4.475 ms 0.901 ms 2 GigEth12-0-0.ap1.optus.net.au (202.139.191.20) 1.043 ms 1.014 ms 1.080 ms 3 telecomnz1.sb2.optus.net.au (202.139.128.98) 181.836 ms 181.795 ms 182.613 ms 4 p1-1.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.161) 181.142 ms 185.291 ms 181.251 ms 5 * * * Also Does anyone know if Telstra uses SX across the Tasman? At 11:38 AM 20/11/2001 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 mat(a)voyager.co.nz wrote: >> Anyone else having rather large pings/traces to anything in Australia? >> And/Or does anyone know if there is something wrong with Southern Cross at >> present? > >Have you tried to open up a ticket with Voyager or Alter.Net? > >Simon. > >> >> host01% traceroute www.ozemail.com.au >> traceroute to www.ozemail.com.au (203.108.7.50) from >> host01.net.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.126), 40 hops max, 40 byte packets >> 1 r1.akl2.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.97) 0.614 ms 0.505 ms 0.533 ms >> 2 r0.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz (203.21.24.87) 0.944 ms 1.044 ms 0.858 ms >> 3 64.ATM2-0-0.GW2.SYD2.ALTER.NET (203.166.42.237) 180.907 ms 179.682 ms >> 179.576 ms >> 4 422.at-6-0-0.XR1.SYD2.Alter.Net (210.80.3.93) 180.959 ms 181.712 ms >> 181.544 ms >> 5 0.SO-5-0-0.XR1.SYD4.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.222) 182.636 ms 182.008 ms >> 180.767 ms >> 6 so-0-0-1.XR2.SYD3.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.10) 180.619 ms 180.542 ms >> 182.835 ms >> 7 412.ATM8-0-0.GW1.SYD3.Alter.Net (210.80.3.158) 182.168 ms 182.160 ms >> 181.534 ms >> 8 500.ATM1-0.BORDER3.SYD.OZEMAIL.NET.AU (203.166.16.38) 182.626 ms >> 183.300 ms 182.381 ms >> 9 core1-fe4-0-0.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.190.153) 182.510 ms 184.192 >> ms 183.550 ms >> 10 agg2-access-fe2-1.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.0.50) 185.134 ms >> 187.109 ms 184.788 ms >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> where the body of your message reads: >> unsubscribe nznog >> > >-- >Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz >Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz >ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > > Matt Law Network Engineer Voyager NZ Ltd DDI +649 4439 443 PGP Public Key available http://www.voyager.co.nz/~mat/public-key.asc - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Problems with Southern Cross to Aussie?
by mat＠voyager.co.nz 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Anyone else having rather large pings/traces to anything in Australia? And/Or does anyone know if there is something wrong with Southern Cross at present? host01% traceroute www.ozemail.com.au traceroute to www.ozemail.com.au (203.108.7.50) from host01.net.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.126), 40 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 r1.akl2.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.97) 0.614 ms 0.505 ms 0.533 ms 2 r0.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz (203.21.24.87) 0.944 ms 1.044 ms 0.858 ms 3 64.ATM2-0-0.GW2.SYD2.ALTER.NET (203.166.42.237) 180.907 ms 179.682 ms 179.576 ms 4 422.at-6-0-0.XR1.SYD2.Alter.Net (210.80.3.93) 180.959 ms 181.712 ms 181.544 ms 5 0.SO-5-0-0.XR1.SYD4.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.222) 182.636 ms 182.008 ms 180.767 ms 6 so-0-0-1.XR2.SYD3.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.10) 180.619 ms 180.542 ms 182.835 ms 7 412.ATM8-0-0.GW1.SYD3.Alter.Net (210.80.3.158) 182.168 ms 182.160 ms 181.534 ms 8 500.ATM1-0.BORDER3.SYD.OZEMAIL.NET.AU (203.166.16.38) 182.626 ms 183.300 ms 182.381 ms 9 core1-fe4-0-0.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.190.153) 182.510 ms 184.192 ms 183.550 ms 10 agg2-access-fe2-1.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.0.50) 185.134 ms 187.109 ms 184.788 ms - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NT help required urgently
by PhoneNet 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

I have a customer who needs to recover or remove passwords from an NT installation. I will explain fully off-list to anyone who can help. Ian Cousins Director, PhoneNet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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System Outage 9th December
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

On the 9th December there will be planned maintenance work carried out on the drs replicated site in Auckland. This will require a system outage of approximately two hours, between 06:00hrs and 08:00hrs, to resynchronise the databases. During this time email templates will continue to be received but will not be processed until after the work is finished. The whois will be available but the web site will not. I apologise for the inconvenience. Many thanks Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NT help required urgently
by Michael Bordignon 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

heh > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] > Sent: Friday, 16 November 2001 3:02 PM > To: Chris Wedgwood > Cc: PhoneNet; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NT help required urgently > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 03:02:42PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > > There are linux boot disks which frob the registry and reset the > > administrator password > > > > http://www.nttoolbox.com/ > > > > for more details. > > Alternatively you could just boot from a DOS floppy and make > appropriate > use of the "fdisk" and "format" commands. Should remove any passwords > which are present quite efficiently. > > > Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Thanks Jean-Francois, Arron and Bart...
by Juha Saarinen 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

... got something to go on now. Unfortunately, the boy zapped my multimeter with an experiment in piezo-electricity (@#$#@!!! school projects!) so it's a bit tricky to work out which pin goes where. -- Regards, Juha Removing sig! For great justice! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ISP Forum - forwarded from InternetNZ
by Donald Neal 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Greetings InternetNZ's major conference for the year will be held on Nov 29 and 30 at the Ellerslie Novotel, Auckland. The Forum will focus on the changes to the legislative environment in NZ, Industry Self- regulation, and possible impacts post-September 11. All members are cordially invited to attend - full details and link to online registration can be found via the What's Hot link or direct at: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/Internet-Industry- Forum_Agenda011105.html Forum costs: InternetNZ members NZ$100 (GST inc) Non-members NZ$160 (GST inc) APNIC will run a training session for ISP's on Nov 28 at the same venue - details on site. Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director InternetNZ Voice: +64-4-472-1600 Fax: +64-4-472-1207 Level 4, Hibernian Building, 89 Willis Street (P.O.Box 11-881) Wellington http://www.isocnz.org.nz -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Oops should read 'the relicated site'. Thanks for the proof reading Juha .... Cheers Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew McGhie - Domainz > Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2001 16:50 > To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Subject: Emergency Outage > > > Unfortunately the replicated sight in Auckland has lost > synchronisation which will mean that we need to take the drs > down for about an hour and a half after zone push this > evening. The email template will continue to queue but the > web site will be unavailable. > > I apologise for the lateness of the notification and the > inconvenience. > > Cheers > > Andrew > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Unfortunately the replicated sight in Auckland has lost synchronisation which will mean that we need to take the drs down for about an hour and a half after zone push this evening. The email template will continue to queue but the web site will be unavailable. I apologise for the lateness of the notification and the inconvenience. Cheers Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Any phone wiring gurus on the list?
by Juha Saarinen 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Scratching my head here... how does Telecom wire the phone cables? I've got a Rentel 410, with an RJ-11C at the phone end, and a BT jack at the other end. I'd like to plug that into the modem pass-through phone port, and the modem into the wall jack, to connect to the PSTN </obNetworkContent>. The modem pass-through port is RJ-11C. If I look at modem-to-wall cables, known to work, they use the red/green pair only. Although the RJ-11C connector has six pins on those, as opposed to the four-pin variety used for the Rentel phone, physically, the connectors for the red/green pair are in the same place. However, plugging the modem cable into the phone produces no dialtone. Does Telecom use more than the red/green pair? -- Regards, Juha Removing sig! For great justice! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Real Engineering
by Roger De Salis 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

I thought this was sufficiently interesting from an engineering, economic and topicality perspective to merit a post. Basically another nail in the coffin of the myth that the PSTN is more reliable than the Internet. R >>November 12, 2001 >> >>THE COMMUNICATIONS >> >>Afghan Phone Links Are an American Legacy >> >>By SIMON ROMERO >> >>While the Soviet-built conventional telephone network in Afghanistan >>has suffered significant damage in recent bombing raids, a more >>sophisticated telecommunications system built by a United States >>company in the late 1990's remains in service and is an important >>link to the outside world, according to a report expected to be >>released today. >> >>The system is operated by the Afghan Wireless Communication Company, >>which grew out of a venture between the Afghan Ministry of >>Communications, controlled by the Taliban, and Telephone Systems >>International of Mount Olive, N.J. Afghan Wireless provides service >>in the Afghan capital Kabul and the city of Kandahar, the Taliban's >>political base in the south. >> >>Afghan Wireless, which is now entirely controlled by officials in >>Kabul linked to the Taliban, continues to provide local, long >>distance and international calling services, according to a report by >>Pyramid Research, a company in Cambridge, Mass., that focuses on >>telecommunications in developing countries. >> >>The endurance of Afghan Wireless's operations is the latest chapter >>of involvement in Afghan telecommunications services since 1998 by >>United States and British investors. Telephone Systems International, >>the New Jersey company that initiated the investment, exited the >>venture in 1999 after the United States banned Americans from doing >>business in Afghanistan. >> >>It is not clear why the United States' bombing of Afghanistan has >>left Afghan Wireless's network still functioning relatively well, >>given its strategic importance to the Taliban. The Defense Department >>declined to comment specifically on Afghan Wireless or its network. >> >>"If something is a military target, it's liable to go down," said Lt. >>Col. Ken McClellan, a spokesman for the Defense Department. "If it's >>not considered a military target, then it won't go down." >> >>Afghan Wireless generates about $1.8 million a year in revenue, >>assuming that the government, its main client, pays its bills. The >>company uses relatively inexpensive technology, which is wireless but >>not mobile. Customers have what appears to be standard telephone >>service at their homes or other fixed locations. But the signals are >>carried by a network of wireless transmission towers and switches, >>said Joseph Braude, a senior analyst with Pyramid Research. >> >>"Afghan Wireless has provided the Afghan government and >>nongovernmental organizations with a less expensive alternative to >>satellite telephones," Mr. Braude said in an interview. >> >>After the United States imposed sanctions in 1999 on trade and >>investment in the parts of Afghanistan under Taliban control, >>Telephone Systems International sought approval from the Treasury >>Department to continue doing business in Afghanistan, according to a >>letter from Michele R. Hart, the company's lawyer, to the Treasury's >>Office of Foreign Assets Control. >> >>According to a copy of the letter, Ms. Hart provided the Treasury >>with details of Telephone Systems International's investors, which >>included Ehsan Bayat, an Afghan migr living in New York, and the >>Wilken Group, a holding company with telecommunications investments >>in several East African countries. >> >>The Wilken Group's own investors include Lord Michael Cecil, a member >>of a prominent English family. Lord Michael's dealings in >>Afghanistan, which included pulling together investors for Aghan >>Wireless, is described in the current issue of Talk Magazine. >> >>Ms. Hart also said in her letter that Telephone Systems International >>had signed agreements with DeTeSat, a unit of Germany's Deutsche >>Telekom, for the supply of satellite receiving and transmitting >>equipment and with TMB Systems of Britain to buy telephone exchanges. >> >>Such deals by American and European telecommunications companies are >>common in the developing world, even in the poorest countries. But >>Telephone Systems International's involvement in Afghanistan raised >>eyebrows when it reached a deal with the Taliban to build a network >>in 1998. >> >>Gary Breshinsky, a former investor in Telephone Systems >>International, said the company signed an agreement with the Taliban >>in September 1999 at the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul. At the >>time, the White House said it looked favorably on the project as a >>way to ease the controls the Taliban had imposed on Afghanistan's >>communications with the rest of the world. >> >>"We were providing one of the poorest countries on the planet with a >>state-of-the-art telephone network," Mr. Breshinsky, who lives in >>Hackettstown, N.J., said in an interview. "The old network left >>behind by the Russians was atrocious." >> >>Mr. Breshinsky, a former satellite- telephone salesman, said he ended >>his involvement with Telephone Systems International soon after the >>United States imposed sanctions against Afghanistan. >> >>Mr. Bayat and Lord Michael, the other foreign investors in Telephone >>Systems International, could not be reached for comment. Telephone >>Systems International stopped work on the project in July 1999, >>according to a news release on Afghan Wireless's Web site. >> >>Mr. Braude, the Pyramid Research analyst, said telephone interviews >>with the people who use Afghanistan's conventional telephone system >>in Kabul and towns elsewhere suggested that many telephone lines had >>been destroyed in Kabul. But they say that damage to lines in the >>towns is minimal. >> >>Before the bombing campaign, the Soviet-built analog network in >>Afghanistan had less than one telephone for every 100 inhabitants. >>Afghan Wireless has operated about 9,000 telephone lines in Kabul and >>Kandahar since introducing service two years ago, Mr. Braude said. >> >>Much of the company's success in signing up customers can be >>attributed to cheaper prices in relation to calls made on satellite >>telephone services. International calls with Afghan Wireless cost 40 >>cents to $1.50 a minute, compared with $2 to $4.50 a minute on >>satellite telephone systems. -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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LAT/LONG of sky tower
by Joe Abley 11 Nov '01

11 Nov '01

Anybody happen to have latitude/longitude for the sky tower? Something to GPS accuracy would be ideal. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: LAT/LONG of sky tower
by Mike Conner 11 Nov '01

11 Nov '01

LAT/LONG as follows. 36.509S 174.458E Regards, Mike. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Joe Abley Sent: Monday, 12 November 2001 5:53 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: LAT/LONG of sky tower Anybody happen to have latitude/longitude for the sky tower? Something to GPS accuracy would be ideal. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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MFAT mails out virus
by Dean Pemberton 11 Nov '01

11 Nov '01

Hi all. The Subject is kinda true. I'm on the MFAT mailing list which tells me which countries hate Kiwis at any point in time. And this morning it mailed out a strange message which had a subject of "The Auster story goes back into the 1930s." And came from an xtra email address. I just wrote it off as spam. It turns out though that the email contained a virus. Now it's not MFAT's fault (although I don't know what the list was doing unmoderated. I might look at sending out an Advisory for Kiwi's living in Sydney =) (THIS IS A JOKE!) But it does bring up a good point. Do list managers have a duty of care when it comes to scanning for viruses? My mail box is now filling up with messages from people virus scanners who are auto responding to the MFAT mailing list. Thoughts, Comments, Calls for me to shut the **** up? Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Locating (netwise) root and ccTLD name-servers by means other than a hint file
by Chris Wedgwood 11 Nov '01

11 Nov '01

Anyone out there know if there are significant numbers of people using some means other that a bind 'hint' file[1] to locate TLD and ccTLD name-servers? I was under the impression that if the name-servers for a ccTLD were changed for some reason and this change accurately reflected in the root name-serves, pretty much the entire world would notice such a change within a little more than the objects TTL. However, I discovered a couple of hours ago that some of these 'alternative TLD' proponent sites out there are actually suggestion people not use a static hint file but rather AXFR "." from a server which they have set up... ignoring the obvious security implications here, there is no guarantee this information will be kept synchronized with the rest of the world and indeed in some instances appears to be inaccurate. Is anyone using such schemes or perhaps even hint files which specify ccTLDs explicitly? --cw (preparing to kill of legacy ccTLD name-servers) [1] a la "dig . axfr @a.root-servers.net > named.hint" sort of thing - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Update
by Matt Brown 08 Nov '01

08 Nov '01

Michael, I have CC this to NZNOG since wireless is the topic of the week. These are my guidelines . Outdoor networks are not toys. To build a proper outdoor network you need to do the following things. 1) Site Survey - Using diagnostic card or Spec Analyzer to determine the channels noise levels at 20 Degree increments. Build a pie graph that shows all 360 Degrees and elevation. From this you will know the right channel to use in the best direction. Never assume that since the link only goes 500m that you need not to worry. I have a POP that goes 20km that has the capacity to kill most radios on the same channel within 10KM radius. ( Transmit gain is a deadly weapon ). I condone the use of outdoor networks that are not site surveyed. 2) Network ID - Identify all the surrounding networks with the correct software ( Unnamed for others security ). Make sure you know the people that run these networks. You never know when you might need to ask them to change channels. Shooting there POP down does NOT give you a foot in the door. 3) Antenna Choice - 500m is not far, But using two 100 Degree leaky antennas with bad Rad patterns will introduce you to a lot of interference. Stick to a good Grid of 15 - 19dbi . Panels are OK if the patterns are good. Keep you beam tight and loose the gain in the cables. Run RG-50 to the antenna ( 6-8M MAX! ) and compensate with the bigger tighter antennas. DON'T USE OMNIS! ( but you all know that right :) ) 4) Equipment Choice. - Love Thy Neighbors. Use DSSS 11mb equipment with European Firmware. Stick to Channels 1-6-11 . These are the main points to ANY out door network. Scan / Map / Plan / Deploy Good Luck with the network. !!! Best Regards Matthew G Brown - Wireless Network Specialist - Tasman Solutions LTD - Nelson, NZ - 03 543 9092 025 807731 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hallager" <michael(a)comsolve.net.nz> To: "Matthew G Brown" <Matt(a)tasman.net> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Update > Hi Matthew, > > I have already spoken to you regarding this stuff. Now that > I have your contact details, I will remove the feedback I > left on you @ TradeMe. > > I am still very interested in what you have to offer. I am > doing a short range (> 500M) wireless link in the next couple of > weeks and am looking for a cheap (used) access point for this as > the person at the other end is on a tight budget. > I have not forgotten you. > > Best regards, > > Michael Hallager > > On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 23:12, you wrote: > > Maybe you should concider just buying new Lucent from LAN1 . If you are not > > familiar with Wireless then you can make a real mess of things VERY fast. > > Make your life easy. Call LAN1, Talk to Liam , Get a solution. They can > > support you should you have trouble. Cheap WLAN's turn to muck, Ive seen > > and fixed plenty around the country latley . > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=--=-=-=- > > Matthew G Brown > > Tasman Solutions LTD > > Wireless Network Specialist > > DDI: +64 3 543 9092 > > http://www.tasman.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)automagic.org> > > To: "Michael Hallager" <michael(a)comsolve.net.nz> > > Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:23 PM > > Subject: Re: Update > > > > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:10:20PM +1300, Michael Hallager wrote: > > > > I have just recieved a condesending and irrelevant email from > > > > a list member (Who was attempting to second guess my setup/ > > > > application and got it totally wrong). > > > > > > Condescending *and* irrelevant? tsk, tsk :) > > > > > > > To reiterate, I am after wireless access point/s for use with > > > > external roof top aerials. I am after more than one unit. > > > > I need a unit that can do point > multipoint (Lucent AP500/1000 > > > > or similar) and also interested in point to point style units > > > > for another project. In any case a unit has to > > > > be able to handle a external aerial and be 802.11b compat. > > > > > > Are you looking for second-hand boxes, or recommendations on > > > vendors? > > > > > > [cue Simon/Richard grand-prix Apple Airport disassembly and > > > retrofitting speed trial anecdotes] > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > - > > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > where the body of your message reads: > > > unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Update
by Michael Hallager 08 Nov '01

08 Nov '01

Hi all, I have just recieved a condesending and irrelevant email from a list member (Who was attempting to second guess my setup/ application and got it totally wrong). To reiterate, I am after wireless access point/s for use with external roof top aerials. I am after more than one unit. I need a unit that can do point > multipoint (Lucent AP500/1000 or similar) and also interested in point to point style units for another project. In any case a unit has to be able to handle a external aerial and be 802.11b compat. When contacting me, please specify whether cards are included or not. (I don't mind). My email address is: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz Please keep things short and simple as I know what I am after and include contact details. Best regards, Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WANTED: Access Point/s
by Michael Hallager 07 Nov '01

07 Nov '01

Wanted: 802.11b compliant access point that will either support 64/128 WEP or allow a Lucent Silver/Gold card to be plugged in to it. Please E-Mail: michael(a)comsolve.net.nz, including contact details. Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

Yo The drs is up again Cheers Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

Further to the previous email, the latest update is that the system outage will take a further 40 minutes to an hour. Once again my apologies for any problems this is causing. Cheers Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

Please note that the DRS will be taken down for approximately an hour after zone push this evening. The email template will continue to work, but database additions and replies to template requests will be delayed. The web site will not be available for editing or adding records during this period. All further information will be passed on as soon as it comes available. I apologise for the late notice of the outage, and the inconvenience, but the outage is required to fix an issue that occurred this afternoon which is leaving the database in a vulnerable position. Cheers Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Your message to noc awaits moderator approval (fwd)
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

is everyine else here being moderated - or am i the only one? regards joe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: baptista(a)pccf.net To: noc-admin(a)noc.attica.net.nz Cc: baptista(a)pccf.net Subject: Re: Your message to noc awaits moderator approval why am i getting this. why is my email now subject to moderation. is everyone else being subjected to the same treatment? regards joe On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 noc-admin(a)noc.attica.net.nz wrote: > Your mail to 'noc' with the subject > > FC: Correction: FAA.gov *still* runs open mail relay (fwd) > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message has implicit destination > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. > -- The dot.GOD Registry, Limited http://www.dot-god.com/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FC: Correction: FAA.gov *still* runs open mail relay (fwd)
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 06 Nov '01

06 Nov '01

anyone know someone at faa.gov who can close down this open email relay. word is getting around - attempts to contact faa.gov admins has failed. i myself just checked the relay and sent myself email using the email address baptista(a)faa.gov - so a malicious individual can certainly have fun with this one. anyway - details on relay after sig regards joe -- Joe Baptista http://www.dot-god.com/ The dot.GOD Registry, Limited The Executive Plaza, Suite 908 150 West 51st Street Tel: 1 (208) 330-4173 Manhattan Island NYC 10019 USA Fax: 1 (208) 293-9773 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:30:08 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)politechbot.com Subject: FC: Correction: FAA.gov *still* runs open mail relay Previous (incorrect) message: "FAA.gov ran open mail relay, could let people forge FAA email" http://www.politechbot.com/p-02757.html I just verified this too. -Declan ******** Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:00:33 -0800 From: Troy Davis <troy(a)nack.net> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Cc: bduncan(a)beachnet.org Subject: Re: FC: FAA.gov ran open mail relay, could let people forge FAA email Message-ID: <20011106080033.A10768(a)drip.tekniq.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011106084248.02b272c0(a)mail.well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Seems to still relay: 10:15pm troy(a)mindfuck ~ > telnet 204.108.10.130 25 Trying 204.108.10.130... Connected to 204.108.10.130. Escape character is '^]'. 220-atos.faa.gov Microsoft SMTP MAIL ready at Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:59:42 -0500 Version: 5.5.1877.197.19 220 ESMTP spoken here helo narf 250 atos.faa.gov Hello [216.39.147.166] mail from: root(a)oz.net 250 root(a)oz.net....Sender OK rcpt to: joe(a)aol.com 250 joe(a)aol.com data 354 Start mail input; end with <CRLF>.<CRLF> narf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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2day.com would like to peer with you at the APE
by Joe Abley 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

AS17914 192.203.154.80 2day will announce 202.37.240.0/23 and 198.32.66.0/24, but not just yet (E1s to the Sky Tower are apparently still a week or so away). Traffic profile is predominately 2day -> world, three TLD nameservers on-net, roll-up, roll-up, etc, etc. Anybody who would like to peer, and would like to get the BGP config done now should drop me a line. Thanks! Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Access to smtp Telecom CDMA phones
by Donald Neal 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

>>> "Simon Lyall" <simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz> 11/05/01 01:05 >>> [...] >The CDMA guys do not run a smtp server themselves and are not planning to >in future. Well, there is the system used to send Short Message Service messages out as SMTP. Donald Neal Minion Evil Empire -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Internet Industry Forum (ISP Forum)
by Peter Mott 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

> InternetNZ's major conference for the year will be held on Nov 29 > and 30 at the Ellerslie Novotel, Auckland. The Forum will focus on > the changes to the legislative environment in NZ, Industry Self- > regulation, and possible impacts post-September 11. > > You are cordially invited to attend - full details and link to online > registration can be found via the What's Hot link or direct at: > http://www.internetnz.net.nz/Internet-Industry- > Forum_Agenda011105.html > > Forum costs: InternetNZ members NZ$100 (GST inc) > Non-members > NZ$160 (GST inc) Lets all make InternetNZ's day - don't show up. -PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A Edison - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Access to smtp Telecom CDMA phones
by Simon Lyall 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

I've got a guy from Telecom asking us to give access to our smtp servers (outgoing email) for our customers who are using in via CDMA phones to access the Internet. Just wondering how everybody else is doing this? Are you allowing the whole ip range to access your smtp servers, running smtp auth or something else? I'm inclined to just insist on smtp auth but I'm not sure some of the lower end clients that might be on the CDMA devices will support it. The CDMA guys do not run a smtp server themselves and are not planning to in future. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Rack slides
by Tim John 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

No problem. Sorry I didn't reply to the list ... full thread below:- Tim :-----Original Message----- :From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gordons(a)morenet.net.nz] :Sent: Monday, 5 November 2001 10:28 :To: Tim John :Subject: RE: Rack slides : : :Cheers Tim, : :I'll give them a shout : :Regards, :Gordon : : :> -----Original Message----- :> From: Tim John [mailto:tim.john(a)domainz.net.nz] :> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2001 09:51 :> To: 'gordons(a)morenet.net.nz' :> Subject: RE: Rack slides :> :> :> Gordon, :> :> I've purchased a rack and some bits and pieces from :Enclosure Technology :> Limited. Contact name is Dave Booth - 09 476 9162. They are based in :> Mairangi Bay. :> :> Hope this help. :> :> Regards, :> :> Tim :> :> :> :-----Original Message----- :> :From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gordons(a)morenet.net.nz] :> :Sent: Monday, 5 November 2001 09:23 :> :To: Nznog :> :Subject: Rack slides :> : :> : :> :Hi all, :> : :> :Can anyone recommend a source of rackmount kits, pref in Auck? :> :I'm looking :> :for something similar to the General Devices kits (if you're already :> :familiar with those...) :> : :> :To fit full-depth racks. :> : :> :Cheers, :> : :> :Gordon Smith :> :Network Operations Manager :> : :> :MoreNet Ltd. :> : :> :Fingerprint: 4093 91BC 0055 46B9 1B1A EDBA 45AD 2381 7B1D E4BE :> : :> : :> :- :> :To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to :majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :> :where the body of your message reads: :> :unsubscribe nznog :> : :> : - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Rack slides
by Gordon Smith 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

Hi all, Can anyone recommend a source of rackmount kits, pref in Auck? I'm looking for something similar to the General Devices kits (if you're already familiar with those...) To fit full-depth racks. Cheers, Gordon Smith Network Operations Manager MoreNet Ltd. Fingerprint: 4093 91BC 0055 46B9 1B1A EDBA 45AD 2381 7B1D E4BE - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco Router
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

Hello there, I would like to purchase a Cisco 2501 or a Cisco 2503 Router. Please let me know if anybody has one that is available for sale. Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Apologies
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

to the nog for suggesting the Qe Wbr Oncgvfgn prize for truly idiotic postings would generate more drivel. I have already have a couple of nominations for various prizes. (Cisco ask permission - in your dreams.....) -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Telstra Saturn Routing
by Tony Wicks 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Hi all, this is a network head's up. We have just cutover all domestic peering from our legacy network ( as4763 ) to our new network ( as7714 ). So if anyone notices any really funky routing happening, let me know. Cheers Tony Wicks Senior Network Engineer TelstraSaturn - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has just over 300 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities The NZNOG Christmas Socials are scheduled for Wednesday 5th December at Cisco, L25 ASB Tower, 135 Albert Street, Auckland and Tuesday 18th December at Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter Street, Wellington. RSVP to Roger De Salis, rdesalis(a)cisco.com. The list administrator may soon start seeking to twist arms with a view to running some sort of gathering in the middle of next year. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Drinks & meetings
by David Farrar 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

> Anyone know what happening to the drinkie that was being talked about a > few weeks ago? Did the main sponsor pull out? > > Looks like Internetnz (isocnz) are supposed to be having some sort of > meeting at the end of the month in akl for ISPs, anyone know anything > about this? I can't find anything on their web site. The dates are 29 and 30 November for the Internet Industry Forum and a programme and registration form will be going up any day or even any hour. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Donald Neal 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

People, This thread is looking more than a little irrelevant to the purpose of the list. Enough, please. - Donald Neal List Administrator/Muggins - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Michael Bordignon 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

hmm - its interesting your "barrister" has the email 'info(a)humanrights.com.au' - on their website it states: - If you get an address @humanrights.com.au now you will also receive an address at the new global namespace @humanrights. No com.au. No simplistic org, net, or com ending at all. More information... Send an email with the desired name-- you, your group, your issue-- to info(a)humanrights.com.au - right.. i dont think so joe (hey it rhymed) > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [mailto:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 1:16 PM > To: Roger De Salis > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; > browns(a)cisco.com; !Dr. Robert Riley; ccenicer(a)cisco.com; > investor-relations(a)cisco.com; Len Lindon > Subject: Re: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > As a Cisco investor I'm a bit surprised that you a Cisco > employee would so > flagrantly use my name and personality to sell attendance at some > Christmas social without my permission. I have therefore taken this > opportunity to cc this reply and the original communication > from Cisco to > my barrister Mr. Len Lindon. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" RSVP to: moi Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St Who: As above RSVP to: moi The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement Feature of 2001". No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) R -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Frank March 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

It seems we may have a candidate for at least one of the awards.. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [SMTP:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 13:16 > To: Roger De Salis > Cc: ; frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com; !Dr. Robert Riley; > ccenicer(a)cisco.com; investor-relations(a)cisco.com; Len Lindon > Subject: Re: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Roger De Salis wrote: > > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards > > such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening > > post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer > > Enragement Feature of 2001". > > It seems I've made something of an impression here. Always nice to > know. However - you must change the awards name. I have not given > permission for my name to be used in any way with any award to you or to > Cisco Technologies. > > Now if you or Cisco Technologies wish to submit a proposal on the use of > my name I will consider it. However - at this time I want you to make it > clear to the group that I have nothing to do with this award and you are > order to immediately cease any and all usage of my name in association > with this project. > <..etc> Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Allister Clarke 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

What about people that only know a few commands from the IOS? ;-) Or is this only for people with the mininum of a CCNA? :-) I will be a CCNA very soon ... Allister. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Stephen(a)nzpost.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:50 p.m. To: 'Roger De Salis' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social Does that mean that us lazy buggers who just type "sh int" are not welcome? How about "ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 null0"?[1] [1] Pardon me if I got it wrong - it's been a long time ;) Klop, -- Andrew J. Stephen Phone +64 4 496 4484 Team Leader, Network Operations Mobile +64 25 582 304 New Zealand Post Fax +64 4 496 4914 "Certainly, Windows XP is no Calista Flockhart. XP has so much pomp and circumstance that it's front-end weighs more than that of the cast of Baywatch." -- JonnyGURU, http://www.systemlogic.net/agurusworld/19/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger De Salis [mailto:rdesalis(a)cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:29 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com > Subject: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" > RSVP to: moi > > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such > things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post > of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement > Feature of 2001". > > No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as > prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) > > R > -- > \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com > </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 > /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 > (/ Wellington, New Zealand > roger(a)desalis.gen.nz > ` > In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value > for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Stephen Andrew 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Does that mean that us lazy buggers who just type "sh int" are not welcome? How about "ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 null0"?[1] [1] Pardon me if I got it wrong - it's been a long time ;) Klop, -- Andrew J. Stephen Phone +64 4 496 4484 Team Leader, Network Operations Mobile +64 25 582 304 New Zealand Post Fax +64 4 496 4914 "Certainly, Windows XP is no Calista Flockhart. XP has so much pomp and circumstance that it's front-end weighs more than that of the cast of Baywatch." -- JonnyGURU, http://www.systemlogic.net/agurusworld/19/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger De Salis [mailto:rdesalis(a)cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:29 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com > Subject: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" > RSVP to: moi > > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards > such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening > post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer > Enragement Feature of 2001". > > No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as > prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) > > R > -- > \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com > </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 > /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 > (/ Wellington, New Zealand > roger(a)desalis.gen.nz > ` > In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value > for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" RSVP to: moi Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St Who: As above RSVP to: moi The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement Feature of 2001". No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) R -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Drinks & meetings
by Simon Lyall 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Anyone know what happening to the drinkie that was being talked about a few weeks ago? Did the main sponsor pull out? Looks like Internetnz (isocnz) are supposed to be having some sort of meeting at the end of the month in akl for ISPs, anyone know anything about this? I can't find anything on their web site. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Extreme Electrical Failure...
by Dylan Reeve 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

...is what happened to ihug's Starnet/Satnet/Ultra gear the last time (I remember) lightning hitting the sky tower. There were also photos of the strike. Last night I saw 6 lightning strikes on the tower (including a REALLY big one) over about 30 minutes, but I haven't heard of anything being fried. And there don't seem to be any photos. Anyone know of any damage this time or have any photographic evidence of the strikes? (This is my not-quite-so-off-topic way of saying "anyone seen any photos or heard of anything melting?") -- Dylan Reeve - dylan(a)wibble.net It's just not cricket. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Greg Clare 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Is it really necessary to post a web link, as well as pasting the entire text contained on the linked page into the message? Please just post the link in future. Regards Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [mailto:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2001 10:57 am > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS > > http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm > Rest of original message <snipped> for sanity! --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Donald Neal 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

>>> "Andy Gardner" <andy(a)navigator.co.nz> 10/31/01 04:38 >>> >Oh, and if the list manager could make the first line of the nznog sig to >be two hyphens follwed by a space, you might find most email clients will >not include the sig in quotes anymore. Fair enough. - Donald Neal List Administrator - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Anyone know whats happened to LLoyd Gallagher
by Mark Derricutt 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Can't say I did, was there some 'net' related scandel mentioned? --On Wednesday, 31 October 2001 8:39 a.m. +1300 Lindsay Druett <lindsayd(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > He might go even further back (try the 10-15 years or so), some of us have > very long memories. > BTW. Did anyone watch Scandals on TV2 last night ? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Peter Mott 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

At 31/10/2001 11:56, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no > fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth > censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned > SafeSurf, the online safety organization. AB hasn't found a new job has he? :-) - PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A. Edison --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm SafeSurf Press Release 1304 Newbury Road, Unit E, Newbury Park, CA 91320 E-mail: safesurf(a)safesurf.com * Web Site: http://www.safesurf.com/ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 25, 2001 Contact : Ray Soular Press Phone : (818) 613-1415 SafeSurf Warns of Stealth Censorship Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned SafeSurf, the online safety organization. This new type of censorship, promoted by a California corporation called Mail Abuse Prevention System, LLC (MAPS), silences every Web site whose address is located on a server that also happens to host one or two unrelated email marketing sites. However, since the browser message displayed says that the Web sites are non-existent, online surfers have no idea they are being denied access to many parts of the Internet. "This is stealth censorship*", remarked SafeSurf Chairman Ray Soular as he described how Web site owners have no rights under this system. "Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS) publicizes its Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) as being only of certified email abusers (spammers). It provides this list to Internet Service Providers (ISP) who rely on its accuracy when shutting out these spammers. In reality, MAPS' practice of listing entire groups of IP numbers, instead of the specific addresses of the spammers, is causing ISPs to shut off access to sites that have done no wrong other than they have similar IP numbers to the spammers. Its like shutting off phone service to thousands of people simply because they have the same prefix as an obscene caller," explained Soular. "To make matters worse, MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated," Soular reasoned. Teleglobe, a global Internet provider who subscribes to the MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL), was blocking SafeSurf in many countries, simply because SafeSurf's Web site was on a public server owned by an hosting company once accused of providing services to email marketers. (News Flash Oct 29, 2001: MAPS removed SafeSurf from its Blackhole list and Teleglobe removed blocking.) "Under their system, an unsuspecting Web site can become a RBL hostage at any time, for any reason, and without appeal. Unless the owner of the server meets MAPS demands, the innocent hostage site will be left to rot in the 'Blackhole'," pointed out Soular. "This is the worst manifestation of censorship imaginable because it is applied in a way which fools Web surfers into thinking they still have their freedom", said Soular. ### _______________________________________________________________ Below is the text of SafeSurf's Open Letter to the Internet Community concerning MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) that targets general IP groups instead of specific IP addresses. SafeSurf was recently alerted that we were marked for blocking, for no fault of our own, by Mail Abuse Prevention System's Realtime Blackhole List (RBL). SafeSurf has never sent out a single piece of junk email in the life of our company. Parents and Webmasters depend upon communication from SafeSurf to enable them to protect children on the Internet. As a result, by blocking SafeSurf, MAPS is endangering millions of children across the globe. MAPS' RBL blocking is censorship in its worst manifestation. It is a extremist system that seeks to censor people simply because they happen to be with the same ISP that has a particular individual that MAPS does not like. Their tactics would be similar to someone using a nuclear weapon to wipe out a cockroach. Although they may contact the ISP, MAPS makes no effort, whatsoever, to warn the people actually being censored. The innocent Web Sites have to depend on others to discover that their right to free speech has been desecrated. MAPS actions demonstrate what SafeSurf has long suspected; true censorship arises for the purpose of advancing the agenda of a particular group of individuals. Censorship is a broad brush that drips paint on the pure, as well as the tainted. MAPS may claim that their actions are in the interest of good, but in reality they would easily trade in the good of children to achieve their goal. They have more than proved this point by holding the SafeSurf Web Site hostage until they force the acquiescence of others. MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Therefore, they could negligently block sites that contain important life saving medical information, sites that protect children, and sites that output emergency info during tornado watches, fire and flood alerts. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated. We hate spam as much as anyone else. SafeSurf receives hundreds of spam emails every day. However, we cherish our civil liberties too much to ever trade them to the careless people who are running MAPS. We have tried to reason with MAPS, but they refuse to offer affected Web sites a case-by-case appeal process. They seem to not care about fairness. They are blinded by the smell of spammer's blood and do not seem to care how many innocent Web sites they trounce in the process. Then, they rationalize and try to put the blame for their wanton actions on everyone else. This issue is completely different from the debate over porn filtering, because in that debate, at least it was agreed that the sites we were discussing were responsible for their acts. In this case, MAPS employs an underhanded tactic of targeting the innocent in order to persuade the guilty. We must insist that MAPS operate in a responsible manner. A just cause is no excuse for unjust actions. By accepting MAPS, we are, in effect, agreeing to full censorship of anyone, for any reason. This is beyond the worst-case scenarios we could've imagined coming from governments. MAPS may be on a crusade to rid the Internet of spam, but this should not give them the authority to deny freedoms to the blameless. It should not give them the power to shroud someone's brilliance simply because it happens to be on a MAPS targeted ISP. It should not give them the right to make a mockery of the pillars upon which America was built. I feel sorry for all the subscribers to Teleglobe, which trusts MAPS' RBL list. They have traded access to the truth in exchange for a cleaner mailbox. The really sad part is they don't even know it. We must raise our voices to warn the online world of stealth censorship. For in the end, we will either loudly hold on to our liberty or it will become clear that we gave up our rights by our silence. Sincerely, Ray Soular, Chairman SafeSurf * The term, stealth blocking, was first used by Bennett Haselton in "The Coalition Statement Against Stealth Blocking" to be found at http://www.peacefire.org/. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone know whats happened to LLoyd Gallagher
by Craig Whitmore 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Hi there.. Does anyone know what happened to startrek.org.nz (and all the domains he hosts off it) and Lloyd who looks after it.. it seems to have vanished off the face. The routing goes no where also. The contact number for him doesn't seem to exist any more :-( inetnum: 202.49.250.0 - 202.49.250.255 netname: MAXWARP-NZ descr: Maximum Warp country: NZ admin-c: GG4-NZ tech-c: GG4-NZ notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ notify: nch(a)ihug.co.nz changed: steved(a)waikato.ac.nz 961122 source: APNIC person: Lloyd Gallagher address: 216 Great South Road address: Ohaupo phone: +64 7 823 6463 e-mail: lloyd(a)startrek.org.nz nic-hdl: GG4-NZ notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ notify: lloyd(a)startrek.org.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NULL changed: hostmaster(a)apnic.net 19990121 source: APNIC Thanks Craig Whitmore

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Asia Online Email
by Philip Hunt 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

To the NZ Internet Community & NOG Members: As you know, Strongnet sent an email on Friday afternoon to clients of Asia Online who have ".nz" domain names. The contact information used was not retrieved from the Domainz database. In fact, the information was compiled from a zone transfer several months ago. I realise that the email has upset some people, and on behalf of Strongnet I would like to sincerely apologise to those people. I can assure you that Strongnet will not make this type of mistake again. Regards, Philip Hunt Strongnet Limited

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