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Re: [jamesr@rd.bbc.co.uk: Warning: Cisco RW community backdoor.]
by Andy Linton 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

At 14:44 27/02/2001 +1300, David Robb wrote: >On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > > > Unless you have IOS 11.1 where this doesn't work :) > > > > "no snmp-server" > >11.2 seems to require the same treatment. I tried the "patch" on IOS 11.2 and 11.3 boxes such as 2500s and 2924 switches. I had to leave out the "log'" option on the access list. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco IOS ILMI/SNMP
by Roger De Salis 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Gentlefolks, Cisco has become aware of an issue with ILMI (and there is is another advisory pending) across several versions of IOS. Please look at the PSAT pages on www.cisco.com, as info will be available very shortly with full details. Rgds Roger De Salis James A.T. Rice wrote > Its looks like parts of my earlier email are somewhat misleading, > the ILMI community appears to only allow RW access to the system > object and possibly some more objects. Its not a 'standard' open > RW community. hence the damage caused by this backdoor is limited. > There is still some write access however, so the fix mentioned > below is still highly recommended. > > And of course - it allows people to read what IOS/model cisco > you have, which could be used to find exploitable bugs in that > particular release. Oh I wonder what the chances of having a > router stolen due to discovery of system.sysLocation is! :-) > > Warm Regards > James -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St /) +64 4 496 9003 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[jamesr@rd.bbc.co.uk: Warning: Cisco RW community backdoor.]
by Joe Abley 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

----- Forwarded message from "James A. T. Rice" <jamesr(a)rd.bbc.co.uk> ----- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:39:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "James A. T. Rice" <jamesr(a)rd.bbc.co.uk> X-Sender: <jamesr(a)inet15> To: <members(a)lonap.net>, <ops(a)linx.net> Subject: Warning: Cisco RW community backdoor. Precedence: bulk If your router responds to `snmpwalk router.isp.net.uk ILMI`, you probabally will want to do the following to disable it: conf t snmp-server community ILMI RO 99 access-list 99 deny any log (pick another spare access-list if 99 isn't available) If you dont, assuming your ios/hardware combination supports it, (most of the bigger routers do) anyone can do things like: `snmpset router.isp.net.uk ILMI system.sysName.0 s \ "ALL YOUR ROUTER ARE BELONG TO US."` Thats a harmless example. You can do almost anything with RW snmp. Warm Regards James -- James A. T. Rice | Email: jamesr(a)rd.bbc.co.uk Internet Operations Engineer | Phone: 01737 839 737 BBC Internet Services, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK. ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IOS & BGP
by James Tyson 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Does anyone know what version of IOS the "bgp go faster you bitch" command appears in? It doesnt appear to be in 12.0(14)S. Sigh. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: ATM card in Cisco 4500
by Scott, Arron 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Not speaking on behalf of any company in particular, I just wanted to say I know of a number of 4500's and 4700's running in production with the ATM card. Their throughput is limited by the CPU performance, but you can expect to get upwards of 40Mbps through it. If you want more than an OC3 I would suggest you look at something like a 7600 OSR, not speaking on behalf of any company in particular of course. Now we just need a Telco or three in NZ to support ATM at STM-4 rates. Arron Scott -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Dennis Su Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2001 7:04 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: ATM card in Cisco 4500 Hi, We would like to purchase a ATM card for a Cisco 4500. Someone has mentioned to us that its ATM card is not very stable, although I doubt it. 4500 series router has been on the market for such a long time after all. I wonder if anyone can give us some previous experience. Good or bad and what type, all welcome. Thanks, Dennis ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ----------------- Dennis Su, BSc MSc Network+ MCP CCNA CCDA CCNP CCDP Team Leader, Network Admin and Development IT Infrastructure, ITS, University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand phone:64 7 838 4183 email:d.su(a)waikato.ac.nz http://network-services.its.waikato.ac.nz/people/dennis.html --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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software required -- could be urgent
by Chris Wedgwood 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

... but probably it's not. Serious network software required. Only the network part isn't completely true :) I _need_ RollCage or RollCage II -- if I don't get this I'm sure something serious will happen; the entire Internet will stop routing or something. I am sure it will. I can feel it. I know the former was for sale at the warehouse for 20 bucks or so, but I can't find it now... the later, no idea. They are both old games by todays standards. Someone somewhere must have either both or one of these games. ... please ... :) --cw P.S. SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: ATM card in Cisco 4500
by Scott, Arron 23 Feb '01

23 Feb '01

ATM is FAR WORSE than that, but it helps sell stuff in New Zealand ;-) Arron Scott Not speaking for any company in particular -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] Sent: Friday, 23 February 2001 3:49 a.m. To: Scott, Arron Cc: Dennis Su; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: ATM card in Cisco 4500 On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 02:17:09PM +1100, Scott, Arron wrote: > Now we just need a Telco or three in NZ to support ATM at STM-4 > rates. Is anybody really waiting for that? If you're shifting an STM-4s worth of data around, it's probably a stream of packets, and it's probably IP, and you probably want to use POS. You probably don't want the additional complexity, cost, operational overhead, cell tax and SAR latency that using ATM would involve. Also, ATM is the work of Satan, which should be mentioned, for the record. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: ATM card in Cisco 4500
by Scott, Arron 22 Feb '01

22 Feb '01

Yeah yeah ... we're all telling the Service Providers that Broadband is critical, but that still doesn't change the fact that ATM aggregation, ADSL/FR access, legacy support, and the ability to run a fair bit of point-to-point bandwidth over an STM-4 ATM access is still quite attractive for a market like NZ. And being one who had to fight VERY hard to get POS inside a certain Telco here at all, I would love to see more widespread use of it. STM/4 ATM gives my customers what they want and need, not what I want to sell !!! Arron Scott -----Original Message----- From: dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Friday, 23 February 2001 4:45 p.m. To: Scott, Arron Cc: Joe Abley; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: ATM card in Cisco 4500 I'd rather sell something that had a future, and not cripple networking in NZ any more than it already is. No matter how much easier it made the sale. Customers listen to what vendors have to say. Vendors should be telling them the truth, not just what they think will make the sale. Long live POS =) Dean Not speaking for, or about, any company in particular On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 02:01:55PM +1100, Scott, Arron wrote: > ATM is FAR WORSE than that, but it helps sell stuff in New Zealand ;-) > > Arron Scott > Not speaking for any company in particular > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] > Sent: Friday, 23 February 2001 3:49 a.m. > To: Scott, Arron > Cc: Dennis Su; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: ATM card in Cisco 4500 > > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 02:17:09PM +1100, Scott, Arron wrote: > > Now we just need a Telco or three in NZ to support ATM at STM-4 > > rates. > > Is anybody really waiting for that? If you're shifting an STM-4s worth > of data around, it's probably a stream of packets, and it's probably IP, > and you probably want to use POS. You probably don't want the additional > complexity, cost, operational overhead, cell tax and SAR latency that > using ATM would involve. > > Also, ATM is the work of Satan, which should be mentioned, for the > record. > > > Joe > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: ATM card in Cisco 4500
by dean＠flatnet.gen.nz 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Having a look on the Cisco Web site it seems that the fastest interface is an oc3. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/4700m.htm It might be an old website though. If it were me I would POC this to death before I bought it. The 4500 is pretty old and MAY not be able to feed an oc12 and do everything that you want it to do. Dean (Who does not speak on behalf of any employer) On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 11:40:17AM +1300, Lindsay Druett wrote: > OC12 > > -----Original Message----- > From: dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2001 11:39 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: ATM card in Cisco 4500 > > > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 04:04:21PM +1300, Dennis Su wrote: > > > We would like to purchase a ATM card for a Cisco 4500. Someone has > > > mentioned to us that its ATM card is not very stable, although I doubt > it. > > > 4500 series router has been on the market for such a long time after > all. I > > > wonder if anyone can give us some previous experience. Good or bad and > what > > > type, all welcome. > > What speed ATM are you talking here? > > > Dean > (Who does not speak on behalf of any employer) > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: ATM card in Cisco 4500
by dean＠flatnet.gen.nz 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

=) No Problems. I'd still POC it, But thats just me. Dean (Who does not speak on behalf of any employer) On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:06:03PM +1300, Lindsay Druett wrote: > I beg your pardon, it is an OC3 indeed (what was I thinking ?) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2001 11:50 > To: Lindsay Druett; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: ATM card in Cisco 4500 > > > > Having a look on the Cisco Web site it seems that the fastest interface is > an oc3. > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/4700m.htm > > It might be an old website though. > > If it were me I would POC this to death before I bought it. The 4500 is > pretty old and MAY not be able to feed an oc12 and do everything that you > want it to do. > > > Dean > (Who does not speak on behalf of any employer) > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 11:40:17AM +1300, Lindsay Druett wrote: > > OC12 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] > > Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2001 11:39 > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: Re: ATM card in Cisco 4500 > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 04:04:21PM +1300, Dennis Su wrote: > > > > We would like to purchase a ATM card for a Cisco 4500. Someone has > > > > mentioned to us that its ATM card is not very stable, although I doubt > > it. > > > > 4500 series router has been on the market for such a long time after > > all. I > > > > wonder if anyone can give us some previous experience. Good or bad and > > what > > > > type, all welcome. > > > > What speed ATM are you talking here? > > > > > > Dean > > (Who does not speak on behalf of any employer) > > --------- > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ATM card in Cisco 4500
by Dennis Su 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Hi, We would like to purchase a ATM card for a Cisco 4500. Someone has mentioned to us that its ATM card is not very stable, although I doubt it. 4500 series router has been on the market for such a long time after all. I wonder if anyone can give us some previous experience. Good or bad and what type, all welcome. Thanks, Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Dennis Su, BSc MSc Network+ MCP CCNA CCDA CCNP CCDP Team Leader, Network Admin and Development IT Infrastructure, ITS, University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand phone:64 7 838 4183 email:d.su(a)waikato.ac.nz http://network-services.its.waikato.ac.nz/people/dennis.html --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FYI: ihug DNS server ips.
by Simon Lyall 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Just a note that ihug is in the process of changing it's main DNS ips (as used by customers). Previously almost all customers were using 203.29.160.4 and 203.29.160.2 but we have now switched to 203.109.252.42 and 203.109.252.43. It is likely that there are 10,000s of ihug and ex-ihug customers with the old ip's manually setup in their configurations. Since we are returning these networks to Telstra they will cease being advertised outside our network sometime next week. You may wish to warn your helpdesk to keep an eye open for this. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New 2LD Voting - Feedback request
by Sue Leader 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Greetings There will be a meeting of the Council of the Society this Friday the 23rd. The Council will consider the following options in regard to voting rights for new 2LD applications. Your comments are encouraged: ================= Motion 1 Abstract The Request for Votes for the .bank.nz application requires a voting electorate. After review and consideration 3 options have been presented for discussion and voting. Option 1 The electorate for the RFV shall be members of good standing of ISOCNZ as of the day before the vote is called. Reason: Known community that is easy to reach and identify which has a greater propensity to understand the issues surrounding the vote. Option 2 The electorate for the RFV shall be name holders or name holder representatives of a name in the .nz name space. A person would be only be able to vote once no matter how many names they had that qualified. Reason: The addition of a new 2LD directly affects current name holders. By having a name in the .nz spaces means they are an existing stakeholder in the .nz name space. Option 3 The electorate for the RFV shall be any person that has an email address in the .nz name space, i.e. steven.heath(a)isocnz.org.nz but not steven.heath(a)seranova.com. A person would be only be able to vote once no matter how many email addresses they had that qualified. Reason: By having an address in the .nz name space means they have an affinity with .nz and provides the widest possible community. Also does not exclude anyone based on having membership or an existing name. Preferred Motion 1 wording: That the electorate for the RFV for the .bank.nz be any person that has an email address in the .nz name space. A person would be only be able to vote once no matter how many email addresses they had that qualified. ======= Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz PLEASE NOTE CHANGE: P.O.Box 11-881, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Deadline Extension - Green Paper
by Sue Leader 15 Feb '01

15 Feb '01

Greetings The Society has received requests for extension of the deadline for the SRS Implementation as the notification was not received by everyone on Feb 2 when I orginally sent it out. I resent the notice on the 8th, as even though the message went to the archives and some people had received it, clearly not everyone had. On that basis the Chair has agreed to an extension until Friday March 2 - 5:00pm. Please send all Submissions to me direct for collation. Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ORBS blocking Domainz servers
by Don Stokes 15 Feb '01

15 Feb '01

Hello All, A heads-up for anyone using ORBS for spam filtering: ORBS has added the following manual entries to its database: 18.160.46.202.inputs.orbs.org IN TXT "Domainz.net.nz - Attacks on ORBS and ORBS hosters." 50.160.46.202.inputs.orbs.org IN TXT "Domainz.net.nz - Attacks on ORBS and ORBS hosters." 37.16.96.203.inputs.orbs.org IN TXT "Delivery point for Domainz.net.nz - Attacks on ORBS and ORBS hosters." These represent the hosts www.domainz.net.nz, office.domainz.net.nz and mail2.actrix.gen.nz respectively. The records were added on the 9th Feb 2001, according to the ORBS database web pages. The impact of this is that if a site is using ORBS for spam blocking, it will reject mail from the Domainz automated systems, including notifications of passwords, nameserver changes, reminders of accounts due and other automatically generated DRS notifications. It will also reject mail from the Actrix list server, which includes Domainz mailing lists, ISOCNZ mailing lists and presumably others. Normal customer service email should be unaffected, as these come from other Actrix hosts. Suffice to say, none of these addresses have been used to attack the ORBS service or systems, nor do the mail servers on these addresses relay spam or block ORBS queries. Email queries to ORBS by myself and Actrix staff have not elicited a reply. Unless ORBS decides to remove these records, anyone needing to to communicate (or having customers that may need to communicate) with Domainz should ensure that ORBS is not in use by their mail exchangers, or arrangements to bypass the blocks on the Domainz addresses are in place. -- don --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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zivo.co.nz (ex clearview.co.nz)
by PhoneNet 15 Feb '01

15 Feb '01

Following on from the ORBS discusion...... Anyone else having problems getting replies from zivo.co.nz (formerly clearview.co.nz) Our main email address was used to sign up to several porn sites from one of their IPs - The originating IP for the sign up process was recorded as: 202.78.157.14 which resolves to the address: >> router-cyber.cl.clearview.co.nz. Despite three emails regarding the matter I've had no response from them...... Ian Cousins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Xtra / WIX
by Richard Naylor 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

At 03:35 PM 2/15/01 +1300, Ben Martel wrote: >Tony, > >It is the same for us (CLEAR) at the mo! Their router is there (ie. BGP is >active) but we are not exchanging any prefixes. > >I'm sure someone at Xtra is looking into it - right? Yep - I gave Peter a call about 2:40 and he had someone on the way to fix it. Sounded like internal switch failure/wedge. I understand dial-up users are down also - but then I don't use modems very often...... rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Xtra / WIX
by Ben Martel 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

Tony, It is the same for us (CLEAR) at the mo! Their router is there (ie. BGP is active) but we are not exchanging any prefixes. I'm sure someone at Xtra is looking into it - right? ~benm --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Xtra / WIX
by Tony Wicks 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

Hi all, my peering session with Xtra on WIX has disappeared, anyone know what has happened there ? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Who else is being spammed by Cisco Australia?
by Alan Brown 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

Subject says it all. Our copy arrived to our info@ address (which only appears on the website) with a botched attempt to address match it to one of the staff. So far the only response from Australia is that this is a legitimate marketing method, yadda yadda, usual spammer bullshit, and that the staffer should unsubscribe from the list if he doesn't want it. AB --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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prefix list update
by Tony Wicks 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

Hi all, I have an updated prefix list for those of you who we preer with ( as4770 ). There are no additions, I have been removing old unused networks only. ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.36.36.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.36.76.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 202.37.148.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 202.37.163.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 115 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 120 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 130 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 145 permit 202.37.252.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 150 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 155 permit 202.50.16.0/20 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 160 permit 203.99.65.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 165 permit 203.99.66.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 170 permit 203.99.71.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 175 permit 210.54.0.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 180 permit 138.235.0.0/16 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 185 permit 203.9.180.0/24 cheers --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz
by David Buckingham 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

I find it interesting that a company which should be a leader in web development would leave something as simple as being able to miss out www undone http://domainz.net.nz doesn't work - WHY?!? How hard is it to make a 30 sec entry into bind? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Quik Internet havening spammer websites: Re: Baron-marketing.co.nz spamming yet again....
by J Random Luser 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

[This is an email copy of a Usenet post to "nz.net.admin"] Quik Internet claim to have taken action against this spammer. "We have removed Steve Baron's dialup account, so that he is unable to spam again from our network" well duh. He wasn't spamming from Quik in the first place. He was spamming for websites hosted _at_ Quik. It appears that Quik is another "Bulletproof web hosting provider", along with Palmerston North's Inspire.net http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/candidacy.html#ByAssociation --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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In case anyone missed it ... APRICOT2001
by Scott, Arron 07 Feb '01

07 Feb '01

CALL FOR PARTICIPATION in The one event where Asia Pacific Internet Infrastructure Engineers gather, talk tech and learn about the latest tools and techniques CwindowsTEMPnsmailL11.gif 26th Feb - 2 March 2001 Developing the Next Generation ASIA PACIFIC REGIONAL INTERNET CONFERENCE ON OPERATIONAL TECHNOLOGIES KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA _____ Last year's APRICOT 2000, in Seoul, was the largest technical conference gathering of Asia Pacific Internet Engineers and Operators so far. The first APRICOT of the New Millennium, APRICOT 2001 will be held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and is looking to be even more exciting & worthwhile! Apricot2001 will be hosted by the PIKOM, The Association of the Computer & Multimedia Industry of Malaysia and the Ministry of Energy, Communications & Multimedia of Malaysia. As in the past, the week-long summit will comprise of workshops, tutorials, conference sessions, Birds of a Feather (BOFs), and other forums, all geared towards spreading and sharing the knowledge required to operate the Internet within the Asia Pacific region. Not forgetting of course, exciting social events have also been planned for this year's Apricot. We have lined up some very distinguished speakers from the internet community including David Isenberg from Isen.com, Prof Jun Murai from KEIO University of Japan and Tan Sri Dr. Othman Yeop from the Multimedia Development Corporation of Malaysia. Hot topics covered include: IPv6 BGP MPLS: Protocols and Applications Gigabit Ethernet Streaming and Multicast Multilingual DNS Traffic Engineering & MPLS High Performance Routing DNSSEC, Bind V9, IPv6 Bind Network Security APNIC Address Policy pt2 Optical Networking Reverse DNS Virtual Private Networks Peering & Internet Exchanges QoS Panel ICANN UPDATE We are pleased to invite you to participate in this important event. The full conference program is available on the event site and registration can be submitted on-line at http://www.regweb.com/Apricot/2001 <http://www.apricot2001.net> . Meawhile, sponsorship opportunities are still available. Please log on to http://www.apricot2001.net/participation/sponsorship.html <http://www.apricot2001.net/participation/sponsorship.html> for details. We look forward to you joining us for the APRICOT2001 in Kuala Lumpur. Should you have any queries, please e-mail me. Kind regards, Molly Cheam Apricot2001 Secretariat c/o PIKOM, Association of the Computer & Multimedia Industry Malaysia

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RE: Paradise spam policy
by Shane Cole 04 Feb '01

04 Feb '01

Hi Michael In over 3 years of running Paradise we have had one complaint about the inability to 'opt out' of this policy. We don't block mail, we block insecure mail servers (those that are known to allow spam to be sent through them) from connecting to our mail servers (and consequently deliver any email to our customers). We don't try to determine whether the message that was attempting to be delivered by such a server was in fact spam or not, consequently, it is entirely possible that someone trying to send a message to one of our customers that one would consider to be 'other emails' would not get through, it would however, be bounced and the sender would normally learn the reason their message could not be delivered to our customer. It would come back with one of the following: 550 Rejected - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/ 550 Open spam relay - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/rss 550 Dialup - see http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul/ I would also recommend having a look at http://mail-abuse.org/rbl/rationale.html if you have not read it before, particularly the Rights to Passage section. Sorry I am not free to discuss this with you on the telephone. A copy of this message has been sent to other network and ISP operators as well as Quentin Bright, the media relations contact for TelstraSaturn. Regards Shane Cole -----Original Message----- From: Michael Foreman [mailto:mforeman(a)xtra.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 2 February 2001 4:34 p.m. To: shane.cole(a)staff.paradise.net.nz Subject: Paradise spam policy Hi Shane We have had a complaint from one of your customers that Paradise's mandatory anti-spam policy blocks other emails too. Could you give me a ring to discuss this? Best Regards Michael Foreman IT Writer, New Zealand Herald www.nzherald.co.nz Tel: 0-9-636 0077 Mobile: 021 260 2116 email: mforeman(a)ihug.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BIND - VUW
by Sean Liddall 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

Due to final testing being completed, rata.vuw.ac.nz is now running 8.2.3-REL Regards Sean -- System Administrator Victoria University of Wellington Ph. +64 4 463 5979 P O Box 600 Fax. +64 4 463 5552 Wellington Mob. +64 21 626 099 New Zealand --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Public Consultation: SRS Implementation
by Sue Leader 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

Greetings all - Forwarded on behalf of the Chair: ================== Implementation of a competitive shared registry system for .nz: The SRS IOC is pleased to release its Green Paper on implementation of a competitive shared registrar system for .nz. This Green Paper sets the context in which the issue arises, discusses the steps taken by ISOCNZ to date, and lists the various options for action and their consequences. After a period of time to permit further comment, which is now solicited, the IOC will prepare a White Paper which will make selections from the various options, and chart the implementation course, including operational responsibilities, a timetable, and a budget. Because of the time taken to date, and the extensive consultation which has occurred, the consultation period for this Green Paper will therefore close on Friday, 16 February 2001. Between that time and 4 March 2001, the IOC will draft the White Paper. It will, in this period, take such further advice, and conduct such further consultations as it believes appropriate. On Monday, 5 March 2001 the White Paper will be presented to Council at a special meeting convened for the purpose of reviewing the White Paper. By Monday, 19 March Council will have voted on the implementation of the White Paper. By then, a Project Implementation Manager should have been appointed, and implementation should commence." Kind regards, Peter Dengate Thrush Chair, ISOCNZ ============== To read the Green Paper please go to: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/consult/ A new mailing list has been set up for this consultation. Members can subscribe to the discussion mailing list - by visiting the List pages at: http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/ the list name is srs-implementation(a)isocnz.org.nz. Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. The list begins the new millenium with around two hundred subscribers. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though the administrator is on the hunt for presenters for the annual Uniforum NZ conference, to be held in late June or early July. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BIND-Members mailing list
by Richard Stevenson 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

Hiya I've just seen this; it's something I think .nz ccTLD nameserver operators might wish to consider. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-02-01-026-04-SC-CY Cheers Richard -- Richard Stevenson, Systems Support Specialist, Telecom Xtra Phone: +64 9 355 5231 Mobile: +64 25 290 3101 Pager: +64 26 100 155 Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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XTRA
by andreas.girardet 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

Hello terminator.xtra.co.nz alien.xtra.co.nz gorgon.xtra.co.nz have been upgraded this week to bind version 8.2.3. Regards Andreas Girardet, M.A. Checkpoint Certified System Administrator -----------OvO----------- General Systems Team Leader, Telecom Xtra 16 Kingston Street, Auckland Private Bag 92028, Auckland Email andreas.girardet(a)team.xtra.co.nz Phone: +64-9-355-5930 Fax: +64-9-355-5260 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mail problem
by Gordon Findlay 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Folks: I wonder if anyone can help. Last night I upgraded our name server (ns.cce.ac.nz) to the latest BIND. SInce then we've had intermittant problems receiving email. Now I've reverted to the previous version: still got problems. The setup is: name server ns.cce.ac.nz 202.36.178.69 mail server mailbox.cce.ac.nz 202.36.178.67 we connect through xtra, but have our own domain and mail servers. traceroute is stopped at our firewall. Every name server that I check has the correct records (well, I think they are correct) except that for a few hours dns1.clear.net.nz had the wrong MX record. Taking xtra as an example: only one out of many test messages has reached us. One message from paradise.net.nz got here - in three hours. Others have not. I'd have thought there might be a routing problem - but I can telent to the boxes from outside this site. Folk from clear, telecom and domainz have all looked at the problem, and been a great help, but we seem to be no nearer a solution. One suggested trying nznog Can anyone suggest where I might start looking now? It's been 24 hours and I'm puzzled. Thanks for any suggestions. You might not be able to mail me: but gordonf(a)xtra.co.nz is still working :-) --- Gordon Findlay Manager, Information Technology Services Christchurch College of Education, PO Box 31065, Christchurch, New Zealand email: gordon.findlay(a)cce.ac.nz phone +64 3 343 7766, mobile 021 358 788 -These views are mine: the College may agree, by coincidence.- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Wireless APE.
by derek 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

It is not the equipment that determines the output, but the 2.4Ghz spectrum regulations being 4 watts. It will cost you more for a WaveLan setup as Lucent's outdoor solution (COR and ROR)does not conform to 802.11. They have deployed there own proprietary polling system and they will not work with any other vendor. So if you want to use a Linux box at home to save cost you should go with Cisco, also the drivers for the Cisco card come prepackaged in the latest Linux distributions. Derek Gaeth Radionet Ltd -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Matt Camp Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:54 PM To: derek Cc: 'James Tyson'; 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: RE: Wireless APE. On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, derek wrote: > The sky tower is about the worst place in Auckland to do wireless from. The > amount of noise coming off the sky tower is very high. You will only be able > to cover a small area with each Cisco bridge due to interference around the > CBD. The Cisco gear works in the 2.4Ghz Unlicensed band. The max power > output is 4 watts at the antenna. The best thing on your home end would be a > Linux box with a PCI cradle and Cisoc PCI card. Are there any better, higher-power equivalent units? I guess cost is also a consideration here. Anyone know much about WaveLan? I've only ever played with it in an intranet type setup. --- Matt Camp --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Reminder: NZ NOC contact list
by Simon Lyall 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

As people may have heard this was offline for a week or two due to hardware failure. Anyway it's been backup for a few weeks again so I thought I'd remind people where it is. http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ Currently I have most major ISPs listed except for the Telecom group of companyies, anybody there who is able to give people a nudge could they please do so. Perhaps a pointer to the list could be included in this list's monthly posting. Please send any comments, updates or corrections to me or you can use the form on the page. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APE peering party....
by Matthew Grant 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi HTere! I am currently the Network Administrator for Plain Communications (http://www.plain.co.nz/) in Christchurch. We have been an ISP from almost the start of public Internet service in the South Island, and host approx 200 WWW sites which include major corporate entities. We formed the first peering at APE with Clear Net when it started over a year ago. Next Friday we should have our router in the skytower upgraded to Zebra software (http://www.zebra.org/) from gated which means that we will be able to peer with much greater facility at APE. Could the parties interested in forming peering arrangements with us please get back to me, or my protege Mr Ben Aitchison <ben(a)plain.co.nz> who will be taking over next week. I will still be available from time to time when needed. Thank you for your cooperation. Cheers, Matthew Grant --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: bind versions
by Jason Hunter 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Peter, All This is to confirm that the following CLEAR Net Name servers ns1.clear.net.nz ns2.clear.net.nz have been upgraded to Bind version 8.2.3 as of immediately. Jason CLEAR Net -----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:32 AM To: Joe Abley; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: bind versions > These are the authoritative nameservers for NZ. > > dig version.bind chaos txt shows: If you have a dig around major nz ISP's you find very few have upgraded (or they have set version.bind to answer with an old version to fool us all). Heads down people! > gorgon.xtra.co.nz "8.1.2" > ns1.clear.net.nz "8.2.2-P5" > ns2.clear.net.nz "8.2.2-P5" > ns1.dns.net.nz "BIND 8" > ns99.waikato.ac.nz "BIND 8" > rata.vuw.ac.nz <no answer> > mx.nsi.nasa.gov "8.2.2-P7" Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: APE peering party.... Plain AS number and details
by Matthew Grant 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi! Forgo a few things like our ASN No $%-{.... NB Plain's IP number is 192.203.154.12 on APE, and we are AS 9559 Here is our information. Note the Auckland local subnets 202.36.174.100/30 and 202.36.174.104/29 that are there to cope with our backbone to Christchurch going to a backup connection. ip prefix-list plain-communications description Plain Communications Ltd, contact: ben(a)plain.co.nz ip prefix-list plain-communications seq 5 permit 202.36.174.0/24 ip prefix-list plain-communications seq 10 permit 202.49.64.0/21 ip prefix-list plain-communications seq 15 permit 202.49.140.0/24 ip prefix-list plain-communications seq 20 permit 202.36.174.100/30 ip prefix-list plain-communications seq 25 permit 202.36.174.104/29 > > Hi, > > Attica would be interested in peering with yourselves, AS 9790, 192.203.154.46, prefix > list as below. > > ip prefix-list attica-networks description Attica Communications Ltd, contact: brent.mcdowell(a)attica.co.nz > ip prefix-list attica-networks seq 5 permit 202.180.96.0/19 > ip prefix-list attica-networks seq 10 permit 202.180.64.0/18 le 19 > ip prefix-list attica-networks seq 15 permit 210.55.254.0/24 > > if you could send me your prefix list/AS, then I can setup our end this > afternoon.. > > cheers > > --Brent > > > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Matthew Grant wrote: > > > Hi HTere! > > > > I am currently the Network Administrator for Plain Communications > > (http://www.plain.co.nz/) in Christchurch. We have been an ISP from almost > > the start of public Internet service in the South Island, and host approx 200 > > WWW sites which include major corporate entities. We formed the first peering > > at APE with Clear Net when it started over a year ago. > > > > Next Friday we should have our router in the skytower upgraded to Zebra > > software (http://www.zebra.org/) from gated which means that we will be able > > to peer with much greater facility at APE. > > > > Could the parties interested in forming peering arrangements with us please > > get back to me, or my protege Mr Ben Aitchison <ben(a)plain.co.nz> who will be > > taking over next week. I will still be available from time to time when > > needed. > > > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matthew Grant > > > > > > --------- > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > > > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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bind versions
by Joe Abley 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

These are the authoritative nameservers for NZ. dig version.bind chaos txt shows: gorgon.xtra.co.nz "8.1.2" ns1.clear.net.nz "8.2.2-P5" ns2.clear.net.nz "8.2.2-P5" ns1.dns.net.nz "BIND 8" ns99.waikato.ac.nz "BIND 8" rata.vuw.ac.nz <no answer> mx.nsi.nasa.gov "8.2.2-P7" ISC says: If you are running any version of BIND version 8, we recommend you upgrade to BIND version 8.2.3 for security reasons http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind-security.html Some upgrades may be in order. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spammer termination: Central Pacific Imports Ltd. (car.co.nz) (fwd)
by Alan Brown 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

This actually happened a couple of weeks ago, but usenet.net.nz has been down so I've been unable to post the notice. Central Pacific Imports Ltd, also known as Andre Blenkiron motors. We have terminated service to cpiltd(a)manawatu.gen.nz - this is/was the listed domain contact for cars.co.nz and a group of other domains registered through Ihug and elsewhere. The car.co.nz (*) domain has been spamming via email and usenet for some time, mainly from Xtra dialups. As soon as we became aware of it(**) and the records linking it to our domain(***), we suspended the account and required that they sign a written agreement to cease posting unsolicited commercial email and Usenet posting from any ISP in order to regain their account on ours. Central Pacific Imports have refused to do so - this is a fairly good indication that they know they're spamming and have every indication of continuing to do so. CPI currently have a Paradise.net.nz connection, judging from attempts to access the disabled account. (*) No relation to cars.co.nz (**) Spam arriving in our traps on November 27th originating from Xtra, confirmed by Dejanews searches. (***) Whois lookups while preparing LARTS showed cpiltd(a)manawatu.gen.nz as the domain contact for this and several related domains. As can be seen here, Central Pacific Imports have changed their DNS contact. [whois.geektools.com] Query: car.co.nz Registry: whois.domainz.net.nz Results: % Domainz D.R.S. Automated Registrar Interface % D.R.S. users confirm on submission their agreement to all published Terms % Last revision: 22-02-2000 - DRS-RL-v1.00 % domain_name_status: 01 Current registrar: The Internet Group Limited domain_name: car.co.nz domain_datecreated: 23/01/97 domain_datelastmodified: 9/01/01 10:04:01 holder_name: Central Pacific Imports Limited holder_contact: Andre Blenkiron holder_phone: 64 6 3584228 holder_fax: 64 6 3588795 holder_email: andre(a)car.co.nz holder_address: 391 Rangitikei St holder_addr_citycountry: PALMERSTON NORTH,NEW ZEALAND technical_contact: The Internet Group Ltd technical_contact_phone: +64 9 358 5067 technical_contact_fax: +64 9 358 4112 technical_contact_email: soa(a)ihug.co.nz technical_contact_address_line_1: PO Box 7281 technical_contact_address_line_2: Wellesley Street ns_name_1: ns2.ihug.net.nz ns_ip_1: ns_name_2: ns1.ihug.net.nz ns_ip_2: ns_name_3: ns-au.ihug.net.nz ns_ip_3: --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Wireless APE.
by derek 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

That is true, They do conform to 802.11 which is the 2.4Ghz standard for indoors. It is good up to about 2500 feet away from the transmission site. The further out you go the slower the connection will run. Saying that I have seen 15kms out of this stuff, but you may only get about 500k. It depends on the quality of the install and the antenna you use. If you wanted to do it with Lucent buy a Lucent AP not ROR or COR . I have some for sale second hand. Also have some old bronze cards(10 and 2Mb) if anyone wants them. Derek Gaeth Network Manager Radionet Ltd 72 Paul Matthews Rd, Albany, Auckland +64 9 414 0300 +64 21 649173 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 4:51 AM To: derek Cc: 'Matt Camp'; 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: Re: Wireless APE. On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 04:27:04PM +1300, derek wrote: > It is not the equipment that determines the output, but the 2.4Ghz spectrum > regulations being 4 watts. It will cost you more for a WaveLan setup as > Lucent's outdoor solution (COR and ROR)does not conform to 802.11. They > have deployed there own proprietary polling system and they will not work > with any other vendor. So if you want to use a Linux box at home to save > cost you should go with Cisco, also the drivers for the Cisco card come > prepackaged in the latest Linux distributions. Lucent's bronze, silver and gold 11M turbo cards all talk 802.11b; last time I looked there was nothing to stop anybody using them for outdoor applications. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Wireless APE.
by derek 22 Jan '01

22 Jan '01

The sky tower is about the worst place in Auckland to do wireless from. The amount of noise coming off the sky tower is very high. You will only be able to cover a small area with each Cisco bridge due to interference around the CBD. The Cisco gear works in the 2.4Ghz Unlicensed band. The max power output is 4 watts at the antenna. The best thing on your home end would be a Linux box with a PCI cradle and Cisoc PCI card. Cheers, Derek Gaeth Radionet Ltd -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of James Tyson Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:10 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Wireless APE. Just out of interest, how many people on this list; a) live in Auckland. b) have line of sight to the sky tower. c) would be willing to help chip in for a Cisco Aironet 340 wireless RIG, or similar to their home. It's just this crazy idea I had, and I figure the more people the cheaper it is. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Wireless APE.
by Ben Martel 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

James, Yes to (a), (b) (windows 13,14,15,16,17,18) - unless you are thinking of multiple antennae! and (c). Remembering of course that most of the cost is for international transit rather than the gear. However I'm sure that between us that wouldn't be a problem :)) I have already tested a Lucent Orinocco ROR1000 to my home (Bastion point) from the Sky Tower, Lvl 48 with great success. Don't forget the cost of the rental of window space for the antenna as well! ~benm ------------------------------------------------------------ Ben Martel CLEAR Net > -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha_saarinen(a)email.msn.com] > Sent: Friday, 19 January 2001 11:22 a.m. > To: James Tyson; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: Wireless APE. > > > Trying to compete with Ihug eh? ;-) > > Yes to a) & b)... and c) as well, I suppose, depending on the > size of the > chip so to speak. > > -- Juha > > %-> -----Original Message----- > %-> From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > %-> [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of James Tyson > %-> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:10 AM > %-> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > %-> Subject: Wireless APE. > %-> > %-> > %-> > %-> Just out of interest, how many people on this list; > %-> > %-> a) live in Auckland. > %-> b) have line of sight to the sky tower. > %-> c) would be willing to help chip in for a Cisco Aironet 340 > %-> wireless RIG, > %-> or similar to their home. > %-> > %-> It's just this crazy idea I had, and I figure the more people > %-> the cheaper > %-> it is. > %-> > %-> Cheers. > %-> > %-> James Tyson --- > %-> Samizdat New Media Solutions > %-> > %-> --------- > %-> To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to > majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > %-> where the body of your message reads: > %-> unsubscribe nznog > > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Wireless APE.
by Chris Hellberg 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

Same response as Juha's. I've always had an idea of having a wireless-internet or wireless LAN co-op after I read a slashdot story about it. The only prob I can see with this is the yearly rental of the space at the sky tower for the comms gear. Aparently it's a few thousand a year. Chris >>> "Juha Saarinen" <juha_saarinen(a)email.msn.com> 01/19/01 11:21a.m. >>> Trying to compete with Ihug eh? ;-) Yes to a) & b)... and c) as well, I suppose, depending on the size of the chip so to speak. -- Juha %-> -----Original Message----- %-> From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz %-> [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of James Tyson %-> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:10 AM %-> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz %-> Subject: Wireless APE. %-> %-> %-> %-> Just out of interest, how many people on this list; %-> %-> a) live in Auckland. %-> b) have line of sight to the sky tower. %-> c) would be willing to help chip in for a Cisco Aironet 340 %-> wireless RIG, %-> or similar to their home. %-> %-> It's just this crazy idea I had, and I figure the more people %-> the cheaper %-> it is. %-> %-> Cheers. %-> %-> James Tyson --- %-> Samizdat New Media Solutions %-> %-> --------- %-> To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz %-> where the body of your message reads: %-> unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Wireless APE.
by James Tyson 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

Just out of interest, how many people on this list; a) live in Auckland. b) have line of sight to the sky tower. c) would be willing to help chip in for a Cisco Aironet 340 wireless RIG, or similar to their home. It's just this crazy idea I had, and I figure the more people the cheaper it is. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Wireless APE
by Scott, Arron 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Level 25 actually, what are you suggesting ??? :-) Arron -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of James Tyson Sent: Thursday, 18 January 2001 4:31 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Wireless APE One more thing I wanted to ask is, can anyone think of a different place that we can house the equipment, maybe someone has access to the roof of a building in the CBD or something. Say, I hear that Cisco NZ is in Level 20 of the ASB Tower :) Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Wireless APE.
by Ben Martel 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Y'all > There was also a rumor floating around that Walker Wireless had signed > some deal with Sky City which gave them exclusive use of > 2.4Ghz off the > tower, and that anyone else wanting to use that band would > have to go find > another high place. I have investigated this alot recently. The answer is that Walker Wireless have the first right to use of the Sky Tower as a beaming point. THis is not exclusive though. Providing that your equipment does not interfere with Walkers Wirelesses you can operate it from the Sky Tower. ~benm ------------------------------------------------ Ben Martel CLEAR Net --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Wireless APE
by James Tyson 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

One more thing I wanted to ask is, can anyone think of a different place that we can house the equipment, maybe someone has access to the roof of a building in the CBD or something. Say, I hear that Cisco NZ is in Level 20 of the ASB Tower :) Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ihug finally gets to APE
by David Robb 16 Jan '01

16 Jan '01

The subject line says it all really... Anyone wanting to peer, let me know. AS 7657, 192.203.154.36 Prefix list available on request, if you don't have a copy already. David Robb --- Senior Network Engineer IHUG NZ "The Earth is a single point of failure" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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(Fwd) New position at W3C: Web Internationalization
by Sue Leader 16 Jan '01

16 Jan '01

Greetings and Happy New Year. FYI Cheers Sue ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:00:32 +0900 To: apng-all(a)apng.org From: "Martin J. Duerst" <duerst(a)w3.org> Subject: New position at W3C: Web Internationalization Dear friends, colleagues, everybody, The W3C is trying to strengthen its effort on internationalization and has opened a new position. For details, please see below or at http://www.w3.org/2000/12/i18nposition. For other open positions at W3C, please see http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Recruitment/. Please feel free to forward this announcement to anybody who may be interested. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Vincent Quint (mailto:quint(a)w3.org) or myself (mailto:duerst(a)w3.org) Please apologize if you get this announcement more than once. Regards, Martin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Position: Web Internationalization The [1]World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is looking for a new team member working on [2]Internationalization in its [3]User Interface (UI) domain, to assure proper internationalization of W3C technology. [1] http://www.w3.org/ [2] http://www.w3.org/International/Activity.html [3] http://www.w3.org/UI/ Your mission is to advance Web internationalization, so that Web technology becomes and stays usable for people around the world, independent of their language, script, or culture. In coordination with the Internationalization Activity Lead, and with the Internationalization Working Group and Interest Group, develop and review W3C specifications and guidelines with respect to internationalization, including followup work with other working groups; document existing best practices and contribute to develop Web internationalization architecture; give presentations on Web internationalization; maintain W3C Internationalization Web site. W3C Hosts are located at MIT in Boston, USA, at INRIA in Sophia-Antipolis and Grenoble in France, and at Keio University in Fujisawa, Japan. You will be based at INRIA, but you will have to travel often, to working group meetings or conferences as well as to the other W3C hosts. _________________________________________________________________ Requirements As the recognized leader for the technical development of the World Wide Web, we seek an individual with both Web technology and project management experience, a good understanding of the Web industry, eagerness to make the Web more international and interoperable, and enthusiasm for the [4]mission and spirit of W3C. * You have a background in computer science, software engineering, and internationalization * You are familiar with up-to-date Web technology, in particular with respect to internationalization * You have a good sense of the Web industry, its market, practices and product development cycle * You have good written and spoken competency in the working language of the W3C, English, and knowledge and practical experience of other languages and cultures * You have good communication skills, both written and oral * You are free to travel internationally on a monthly basis [4] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Points/ To apply, please send a motivation letter and your resume or CV in electronic form to Vincent Quint ([5]quint(a)w3.org) and Martin Duerst ([6]duerst(a)w3.org) _________________________________________________________________ [5] mailto:quint(a)w3.org [6] mailto:duerst(a)w3.org Martin Duerst 4 January 2001 ------- End of forwarded message ------- Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz WWW site
by Andy Linton 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

At 11:26 15/01/2001 +1300, James Tyson wrote: >Is it just me or is domainz website down again? > >God they suck. How can they suck, unless they go down? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New Asia Online NZ BGP prefix list
by Tony Wicks 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

Hi all, can those of you we are peering with please update your filter lists as follows - ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 192.188.185.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.27.99.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.36.36.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.36.76.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.37.132.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 202.37.138.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 202.37.148.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 202.37.163.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 95 permit 202.37.171.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 100 permit 202.37.184.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 105 permit 202.37.186.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 110 permit 202.37.192.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 115 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 120 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 125 permit 202.37.229.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 130 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 135 permit 202.37.249.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 140 permit 202.37.248.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 145 permit 202.37.252.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 150 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 155 permit 202.50.16.0/20 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 160 permit 203.99.65.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 165 permit 203.99.66.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 170 permit 203.99.71.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 175 permit 210.54.0.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 180 permit 138.235.0.0/16 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 185 permit 203.9.180.0/24 cheers --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz WWW site
by James Tyson 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

Is it just me or is domainz website down again? God they suck. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 09 Jan '01

09 Jan '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. The list begins the new millenium with around two hundred subscribers, increasing by between five and ten a month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IETF Provisioning / Registration protocol WG
by Peter Mott 01 Jan '01

01 Jan '01

I note that IETF have formed a working group to develop a standards track protocol for a provisioning/registration protocol. The main driver is the need for a standard protocol for used in a competitive registration environment. Both gTLD and ccTLD folk are participating. The list is located at ietf-provreg(a)cafax.se (send subscribe message to ietf-provreg-request(a)cafax.se) There is a mail archive available at http://www.cafax.se/ietf-provreg/ The wg is currently developing a charter. In the interests of a more enjoyable 2001, I have unsubscribed myself from every isocnz/domainz related list. If anybody feels the need to tell them about the prov/reg wg please feel free to do so. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APE
by James Tyson 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

Anyone know what's up with APE? All my peering sessions are down. My connection is still up, however. Is there a problem with the switch? James Tyson james.tyson(a)attica.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Greetings..
by Mark Foster 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

Hi All, just saying hello as a new subscriber :) I know some of the names on here so I wont waffle but my interest in this is: I work for CallPlus (aka Attica) and deal primarily with their abuse@ mailbox, so deal a bit with NOC related issues. Hi James :) Technically just a helpdesk pleb but looking to upskill and move into NOC operations eventually. Im here to keep my ears open and to learn, and Im quite keen to see positive moves in dealing with network abuse and hacking, etc etc. Cheers guys, Mark Foster --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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New type of DDOS
by Martin Forest 14 Dec '00

14 Dec '00

Hi All There is now a new type of DDOS. This one is hiding the source IP address and port, i.e. random IP address and port as source address. This makes it almost impossible to quickly trace back to the source. Our Cisco routers can with ease detect the attack and block it (IOS Firewall). However, this new attack makes it hard to get upstream providers to block the traffic or to find out who's servers that have been hacked. Happy to share knowledge... Martin Forest Senior Security & Infrastructure Specialist Asia Online NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ Spammer
by Tony Wicks 14 Dec '00

14 Dec '00

Hmm, it seems like we have a wannabe spammer in close proximity. Can one of the guys from Ihug please sharply deal with this customer before they get any more bright ideas ? Thanks Dear Internet User, DO YOU CONNECT TO THE INTERNET? ... that's obvious, you would not have got this email otherwise. Each time you connect to the Internet you run the risk of two things: Downloading a virus Opening the door to your computer so a hacker can walk through. Both are well documented and there are a number of brilliant products available to minimise your exposure to viruses, worms and hackers. Intrusion by hackers is more subtle than a virus, but no less devastating, while the former can cause havoc on your computer, the latter can see your computer being accessed and your files being read, destroyed or tampered with by another person completely unknown to you. The longer you are on-line the greater the risk of hacker intrusion. There are two products ideally suited to meet your needs: Norton Personal Firewall 2001 provides security for your PC and privacy for your personal information Symantec Desktop Firewall 2.0 is optimised for broadband connections (eg. ADSL services like Jetstream) and is set up to work intelligently in the background. Norton Personal Firewall V2.5 $121.00 + shipping $9.50 Symantec Desktop Firewall 2.0 $99.00 + shipping $9.50 Shipping: AU & NZ $9.50; CA, GB & US $15.50; Rest of World $19.00 If you would like to purchase one of these please let me know and your exposure to intrusion damage will be assuaged. If you would like to know more about either of them please let me know. Yours Sincerely Meredith Software Sales Database Services Ltd meredithg(a)database.co.nz or sales(a)database.co.nz Ph: (+64) 9 6230513 Fx: (+64) 9 6230471 Database Services has been providing products and services to clients for over ten years Microsoft and Symantec (Norton) sales and support Prices are in New Zealand dollars ============================================================================ ==== Your email addressed has been passed to us as potentially interested in Microsoft & Symantec products, it has not been purchased from a mailling list provider. I you know of other who may be interested in these product ranges please let me know. ============================================================================ ==== This email is intended to inform and not irritate, please email me at remove(a)database.co.nz and I will see you no longer receive emails from us. Return-Path: <database(a)database.co.nz> Received: from etrn.iconz.co.nz (etrn.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36]) by gravel.road.gen.nz (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBE44vD18186 for <tony(a)road.gen.nz>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:04:57 +1300 Received: from c000.zsm.cp.net (c000-mx000.c000.zsm.cp.net [209.228.56.55]) by etrn.iconz.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA193050976766694 for <tonyw(a)nz.asiaonline.net>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:04:54 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (cpmta 6941 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 20:03:19 -0800 Delivered-To: asiaonline.net.nz%tonyw(a)asiaonline.net.nz Received: (cpmta 6930 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 20:03:18 -0800 Received: from etrn.iconz.co.nz (210.48.22.36) by smtp.c000.zsm.cp.net (209.228.56.55) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 20:03:18 -0800 X-Received: 14 Dec 2000 04:03:18 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root(a)smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by etrn.iconz.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA186480976766595; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:03:15 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from danielle (p490-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.193.236]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA04909; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:58:31 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p490-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.193.236] claimed to be danielle Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001214154435.03c08b10(a)pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Stationery: 33212 3 X-Sender: database(a)pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:44:35 +1300 To: sales(a)database.co.nz From: sales(a)database.co.nz Subject: INFORMATION AND PRICING ON FIREWALL SOFTWARE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Domain Summary This domain is currently listed in the .nz Register Status: Registered Registered: 10/10/1996 Modified: 26/10/2000 Name Holder Name Holder Representative Database Services PO Box 94 AUCKLAND N Gladden Email: database(a)database.co.nz Phone: 0 9 6230512 .nz Provider Technical Contact The Internet Group Limited PO Box 7281 Wellelsey Street Email: soa(a)ihug.co.nz Phone: +64 9 358 5067 The Internet Group Limited Email: soa(a)ihug.co.nz Phone: +64 9 358 5067 Name Servers ns1.ihug.net.nz 203.109.252.7 ns-au.ihug.net.nz 203.109.250.41 ns2.ihug.net.nz 203.109.252.8 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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as5200 authentication faillure
by Mendez Martín 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

Well, i prubed different IOS version to solve the busy problem that i reported in the list last week, by the way, thanks to all for your comments and help. Finally 12.0.5(T) appear to be good, but i'm not sure yet. Now i find a problem with the authentication over the radius server ( a windows 2000 advanced server running IAS), with certains modems, specially USR 56K external, the as5200 fail, if i see the logs in the radius i see something like this: User WmeTeO=erST c*YXf,4v!X+(A)[3{m^C}ear^*hLEm/a/FdP'mV?+ was denied access. Fully-Qualified-User-Name = RADIUSDOM\WmeTeO=erST c*YXf,4v!X+(A)[3{m^C}ear^*hLEm/a/FdP'mV?+ NAS-IP-Address = 172.17.101.5 NAS-Identifier = <not present> Called-Station-Identifier = 5300 Calling-Station-Identifier = <not present> Client-Friendly-Name = Cisco 5200 Client-IP-Address = 172.17.101.5 NAS-Port-Type = Async NAS-Port = 8 Policy-Name = <undetermined> Authentication-Type = <undetermined> EAP-Type = <undetermined> Reason-Code = 16 Reason = There was an authentication failure because of an unknown user name or a bad password. Look at Username !!!, it would be my human username and not that ! Thanks for any comments. Regards.

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Attica prefix-list update
by James Tyson 10 Dec '00

10 Dec '00

If you are a domestic peer of attica can you please update your prefix lists to something that vaguely resembles the following: ip prefix-list attica-networks description Attica Communications Ltd, contact: james.tyson(a)attica.co.nz ip prefix-list attica-networks permit 202.180.96.0/19 ip prefix-list attica-networks permit 202.180.64.0/18 le 19 ip prefix-list attica-networks permit 210.55.254.0/24 Cheerio. James Tyson james.tyson(a)attica.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contents of a platinum spamware CD obtained.
by Alan Brown 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

After larting the hell out of the hwhclub.com spammers (Hamilton, wave source, webfarm site), I managed to obtain the software they used. Platinum has a list of 23 million addresses in it, with lots of duplication. If any local admins are interested in checking what addresses of theirs are on the CD, please contact me. As a FWIW, there are a shitload of Xtra(299), Clear(131), Voyager(202), Actrix(472), Iconz(442) and Ihug(691) addresses. If they're anything like the manawatu list (182 addresses), only 1-2% actually work and the rest could easily be pressed into service as spamtraps. Many of the manawatu addresses were cancelled because of spam levels and almost all of them were scraped from usenet postings. Surprisingly, few addresses at newer NZ ISPs (less than 2 years old) seem to be listed... AB --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Best IOS for IPSEC on Cisco 4000?
by Simon Blake 06 Dec '00

06 Dec '00

Hey folks The lovely chaps at Logical have lent me a couple of 4000's for the SAGE IPSEC bakeoff this weekend. So, at the risk of being mocked for my naivete, can somebody recommend a passable IOS for 3DES IPSEC to Win2K and *nix connectivity? Unfortunately, I haven't sparked the boxes up yet to find out how much RAM they have, but I reckon I can pillage enough from both to get enough in one. And of course, anybody near Citylink in Wellington on Sunday is most welcome to haul buy and join in the fun. People with exotic hardware/software (that is other than FreeS/WAN and Win2K) especially welcome. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Last call...
by James Tyson 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Anyone else that wants to peer with Attica please email me the following details. Peering Point (APE/WIX) Your Interface IP Your Prefix List Here's my details: APE: 192.203.154.46 WIX: 202.7.1.161 James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: problems with as5200
by Mendez Martín 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Yes, Cisco IOS has an option to define argentinian signialing as the country to use and i defined it in my configuration. thanks. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Chris Rigby [SMTP:chris.r(a)staff.ihug.co.nz] > Enviado el: Lunes 4 de Diciembre de 2000 5:51 PM > Para: Mendez Martín > CC: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Asunto: RE: problems with as5200 > > > It is extange, Cisco has say that this is not is a hardware problem, > anyway, > > i couldn't put operating this server, some one say me that may be it is > a > > particular problems of this aserver with signialling with the E1 (r2 > > signialling in Argentina). of my country. > > Anyway, thanks for your comments. > > Well I do know for a fact that r2 signaling in argentina is slightly > different than the standard. Lucent have even gone so far as to add the > "argentinian" signaling type as an option in their maxes and tnt's so it > must be enough different to warrant this. > > If it keeps going to sleep then it most likely is an issue like this. Have > you checked ciscos site to see if they have an "argentinian" option like > the maxes? > > Chris Rigby > Senior Systems Engineer > IHUG - Into the Internet

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APE & WIX Peering
by James Tyson 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Anyone wishing to peer with Attica over APE and WIX please call or email me before 5pm tonight. ip prefix-list attica-networks description Attica Communications Ltd, contact: james.tyson(a)attica.co.nz ip prefix-list attica-networks permit 202.180.96.0/19 ip prefix-list attica-networks permit 202.180.64.0/18 le 19 Cheers. James Tyson james.tyson(a)attica.co.nz +64-21-837-867 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: problems with as5200
by Scott, Arron 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Thanks for your opinion Chris, however Cisco, the number 1 manufacturer of dial servers in the world would be happy to give Martin a hand to sort this out ;-) ps. We make more switches than routers now. Arron Scott Systems Engineer Cisco -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Chris Rigby Sent: Monday, 4 December 2000 12:24 p.m. To: Mendez Martin Cc: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: Re: problems with as5200 > I'm trying to put on an access server cisco as5200 with support 56kbps. > I probed three IOS version (11-3.9T, 11-3-9A and 12.0.1) with different > modems (mica) firmwares (2.3.1.0, 2.6.2.0, 2.7.2.0) in differents > combinations. 1) you do realise this is a _New Zealand_ Network operators group right? > but the AS works horrible ! 2) you've hit the nail on the head. Ditch the crappy Cisco dial in servers and get some Lucent gear (A Max6000 should do what you want). Cisco should stick to routers. Chris Rigby Senior Systems Engineer IHUG - Into the Internet --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: problems with as5200
by Mendez Martín 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

I hope this, but Cisco only say: probe this version, and after that say probe this another and so on. It appear like the Cisco engineer (TAC) don´t know really what is happend here. Thanks! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Scott, Arron [SMTP:ascott(a)cisco.com] > Enviado el: Lunes 4 de Diciembre de 2000 5:57 PM > Para: Chris Rigby; Mendez Martin > CC: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Asunto: RE: problems with as5200 > > Thanks for your opinion Chris, however Cisco, the number 1 manufacturer > of dial servers in the world would be happy to give Martin a hand to > sort this out ;-) > > ps. We make more switches than routers now. > > Arron Scott > Systems Engineer > Cisco > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Chris Rigby > Sent: Monday, 4 December 2000 12:24 p.m. > To: Mendez Martin > Cc: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Subject: Re: problems with as5200 > > > > I'm trying to put on an access server cisco as5200 with support > 56kbps. > > I probed three IOS version (11-3.9T, 11-3-9A and 12.0.1) with > different > > modems (mica) firmwares (2.3.1.0, 2.6.2.0, 2.7.2.0) in differents > > combinations. > > 1) you do realise this is a _New Zealand_ Network operators group right? > > > but the AS works horrible ! > > 2) you've hit the nail on the head. Ditch the crappy Cisco dial in > servers > and get some Lucent gear (A Max6000 should do what you want). Cisco > should > stick to routers. > > Chris Rigby > Senior Systems Engineer > IHUG - Into the Internet > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog

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RE: problems with as5200
by Mendez Martín 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

It is extange, Cisco has say that this is not is a hardware problem, anyway, i couldn't put operating this server, some one say me that may be it is a particular problems of this aserver with signialling with the E1 (r2 signialling in Argentina). of my country. Anyway, thanks for your comments. Martín Méndez Teconología - PECOM Energia. Voice:+54-11-4344-6000 Int. 3103 mmendezb(a)pecom.com.ar > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Tony Wicks [SMTP:tony.wicks(a)nz.asiaonline.net] > Enviado el: Lunes 4 de Diciembre de 2000 5:29 PM > Para: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Asunto: RE: problems with as5200 > > I use entirely Cisco access servers with excellent results. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Chris Rigby > Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2000 9:24 a.m. > To: Mendez Martin > Cc: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Subject: Re: problems with as5200 > > > > I'm trying to put on an access server cisco as5200 with support 56kbps. > > I probed three IOS version (11-3.9T, 11-3-9A and 12.0.1) with different > > modems (mica) firmwares (2.3.1.0, 2.6.2.0, 2.7.2.0) in differents > > combinations. > > 1) you do realise this is a _New Zealand_ Network operators group right? > > > but the AS works horrible ! > > 2) you've hit the nail on the head. Ditch the crappy Cisco dial in servers > and get some Lucent gear (A Max6000 should do what you want). Cisco should > stick to routers. > > Chris Rigby > Senior Systems Engineer > IHUG - Into the Internet > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog

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RE: problems with as5200
by Mendez Martín 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

I know that this list is in NZ. Could i send email anyway ?? I am from Argentina in south america. I am thinking seriously in put a Lucent access server. Thanks ! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Chris Rigby [SMTP:chris.r(a)staff.ihug.co.nz] > Enviado el: Lunes 4 de Diciembre de 2000 5:24 PM > Para: Mendez Martín > CC: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Asunto: Re: problems with as5200 > > > I'm trying to put on an access server cisco as5200 with support 56kbps. > > I probed three IOS version (11-3.9T, 11-3-9A and 12.0.1) with different > > modems (mica) firmwares (2.3.1.0, 2.6.2.0, 2.7.2.0) in differents > > combinations. > > 1) you do realise this is a _New Zealand_ Network operators group right? > > > but the AS works horrible ! > > 2) you've hit the nail on the head. Ditch the crappy Cisco dial in servers > and get some Lucent gear (A Max6000 should do what you want). Cisco should > stick to routers. > > Chris Rigby > Senior Systems Engineer > IHUG - Into the Internet

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problems with as5200
by Mendez Martín 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Hello, my name is Martin and i am new in the list. I'm trying to put on an access server cisco as5200 with support 56kbps. I probed three IOS version (11-3.9T, 11-3-9A and 12.0.1) with different modems (mica) firmwares (2.3.1.0, 2.6.2.0, 2.7.2.0) in differents combinations. The as works fine one or two days, after thats it begin to give busy tone (it is connected to E1) and i need to restarted. Some one could work fine with this servers ??. How ??. I need 56kpbs, callback and authenticate over a radius server, my configuration works fine, but the AS works horrible ! Thanks.-

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Email notification of domain names moving
by James Bell 03 Dec '00

03 Dec '00

Is anyone else suffering from a lack of email notification from Domainz when a domain name moves to a new name service provider? We haven't had one since Oct 24th, yet domain names have definitely moved since then. (Domainz are apparently looking in to it - I just wondered how widespread the problem was). --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Email notification of domain names moving
by Tech Support 03 Dec '00

03 Dec '00

James, We've been in the same boat for several months. This has been bought to Domainz' attention on numerous occasions, and they have confirmed other ISPs are affected. I've upped the complaint rate of late as it's really starting to cause problems - Domainz have given us several dates for fixes, but none have been successful as yet. Perhaps we need to e-mail the previous host when we shift a domain ...? Cheers, Peter Gray Telstra Saturn Tech Support E-mail: tech(a)tsnz.net Phone: 0800 949 000 Fax: 04 922 8401 Website: www.netlink.net.nz PO Box 5358, Wellington, New Zealand "Smile," they said "things could be worse!" So I smiled, and things were worse.... Is anyone else suffering from a lack of email notification from Domainz when a domain name moves to a new name service provider? We haven't had one since Oct 24th, yet domain names have definitely moved since then. (Domainz are apparently looking in to it - I just wondered how widespread the problem was). --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 03 Dec '00

03 Dec '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just over 190 subscribers. The gain of around twenty in the last month is well above the previous rate of growth. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Internet Surveillance / Swain anti-hacking bill
by Lin Nah 28 Nov '00

28 Nov '00

Hi All, As mentioned, there's to be a seminar on the Swain bill. Lech Janczewski will be conducting the seminar. He has been on a fact finding mission, talking to as many people who know anything about this as he can. He wished to present the information gathered "straight from the horses mouth". When I spoke to Lech, he was quite candid in his concerns over this. He didn't know whether the hype was due to media playing it up or whether some of the concerns are true. Lech has had a keen interest in Data security. He was my lecturer in information security a couple of years back and is still teaching the paper. He is also the organiser for the Information Security Forum. He has also been teaching the Data Communications paper ever since I have known him (and probably before that too) in 1990. I am not sure if he's still teaching this paper as I did remember him trying to reduce his workload. The Abstract was in a word document which I will obviously not forward. I have cut and pastes the text into the bottom of this email. Please contact lech if you wish to attend or to find out more about it. regards Lin From: "Aoki, Reiko" <r.aoki(a)auckland.ac.nz> Subject: E-Com Workshop (29/11) Internet Security Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:29:58 +1300 Next E-Commerce Workshop will be on 29 November (Wed) from noon. Continuing with the theme of internet security, Lech Janczewski (MSIS and New Zealand Information Security Forum) will present the facts and lead a discussion on the plans for a new law announced recently by Hon. Paul Swain, Information Technology Minister (please see attached abstract). The workshop will be at Vice-Chancellor's Room (OGH ground floor). Because of great public interest in the topic, we are inviting experts from outside the University to the workshop. We have asked them to pay for lunch since the Team Development Grant is limited. But please don't be confused...lunch is free to members of the University community as usual. For catering purposes, please reply to Lech ( lech(a)auckland.ac.nz <mailto:lech(a)auckland.ac.nz> ) via email (from university address) by 28 November (Tues) noon. This is the last workshop for this year. The first workshop of the new year will be lead by Ian King (Economics). He will be talking about different methods of selling goods on the internet (auctions and posting prices) and how revenues differ according the market conditions. You can find his working paper (related but not the content of his discussion) on the Workshop website. (Website will be updated as soon as I can figure out how to under the new regime. There is a link from economics department site.) See you on 29th. Thank you. Reiko and Mia << From Janczweski Abstract.doc>> Government power to intercept electronic communication Lech Janczweski (MSIS) Hon. Paul Swain, Information Technology Minister revealed plans of introducing a law giving power to government agencies, like police or the Security Intelligence Service, to intercept electronic communications. Presumably, this legislation will be similar to that existing already in the UK. For a quick reference look into NZ Herald form 16.11.2000 ("Big brother eying your e-mail", [Herald] and "Cyber world fears snoop law", [Business Herald]) That decision would have a significant impact on citizens of this country, our trading partners, as well as law enforcement agencies. We believe that such an important law necessitates a wide discussion not necessary limited to the NZ government and parliamentary circles. Especially electronic commerce and information security specialists need to voice their opinion. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Jobs and stuff
by James Tyson 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Hey all. I am just posting to see if anyone has any jobs available at the moment, I realise this is a bad time of year to be trying to find a job, but when your broke your broke. Anyway, my resume is available at http://www.samizdat.co.nz/resume.pdf I am looking for something sysadminly at an ISP or similar, or possibly some (interesting) web-dev. I would prefer not to work with NT and want to work somewhere where I can tweak routers and unix boxen, and not be pushed into the "router guy" or "unix guy" boxes. Thanks for your time. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Auck. Seminar on Swain anti-hacking/internet surveillance bil l
by David Katz 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Would it be at all possible for somebody to do an mp3 recording or the likes of tommorow's discussion? I know it would be much appreciated... David Katz -----Original Message----- From: Lin Nah [mailto:lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:18 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Auck. Seminar on Swain anti-hacking/internet surveillance bill Due to the big interest in this topic, I am posting this for the 2nd (and last time). The seminar is TOMORROW! Only a short thing - ie won't drag on. There will be opportunity for Q&A between audience and speaker(s). After that we have to see if there are questions, discussions etc we need to cover in another session. The seminar will be at Old Govt House. RSVP due to catering ($10 for lunch is all this will cost IIRC). Hope to see a few there. regards Lin On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Lin Nah wrote: > Hi All, > > As mentioned, there's to be a seminar on the Swain bill. > > Lech Janczewski will be conducting the seminar. He has been on a fact > finding mission, talking to as many people who know anything about this > as he can. He wished to present the information gathered "straight from > the horses mouth". > > When I spoke to Lech, he was quite candid in his concerns over this. > He didn't know whether the hype was due to media playing it up or whether > some of the concerns are true. > > Lech has had a keen interest in Data security. He was my lecturer in > information security a couple of years back and is still teaching the > paper. He is also the organiser for the Information Security Forum. > He has also been teaching the Data Communications paper ever since I have > known him (and probably before that too) in 1990. I am not sure if he's > still teaching this paper as I did remember him trying to reduce his workload. > > The Abstract was in a word document which I will obviously not forward. > I have cut and pastes the text into the bottom of this email. > > Please contact lech if you wish to attend or to find out more about it. > > > regards > Lin > > > From: "Aoki, Reiko" <r.aoki(a)auckland.ac.nz> > Subject: E-Com Workshop (29/11) Internet Security > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:29:58 +1300 > > Next E-Commerce Workshop will be on 29 November (Wed) from noon. Continuing > with the theme of internet security, Lech Janczewski (MSIS and New Zealand > Information Security Forum) will present the facts and lead a discussion on > the plans for a new law announced recently by Hon. Paul Swain, Information > Technology Minister (please see attached abstract). > > The workshop will be at Vice-Chancellor's Room (OGH ground floor). Because > of great public interest in the topic, we are inviting experts from outside > the University to the workshop. We have asked them to pay for lunch since > the Team Development Grant is limited. But please don't be confused...lunch > is free to members of the University community as usual. > For catering purposes, please reply to Lech ( lech(a)auckland.ac.nz > <mailto:lech(a)auckland.ac.nz> ) via email (from university address) by 28 > November (Tues) noon. > > This is the last workshop for this year. The first workshop of the new year > will be lead by Ian King (Economics). He will be talking about different > methods of selling goods on the internet (auctions and posting prices) and > how revenues differ according the market conditions. You can find his > working paper (related but not the content of his discussion) on the > Workshop website. (Website will be updated as soon as I can figure out how > to under the new regime. There is a link from economics department site.) > > See you on 29th. Thank you. > > Reiko and Mia > > << From Janczweski Abstract.doc>> > > Government power to intercept electronic communication > > Lech Janczweski (MSIS) > > Hon. Paul Swain, Information Technology Minister revealed plans of > introducing a law giving power to government agencies, like police or > the Security Intelligence Service, to intercept electronic communications. > Presumably, this legislation will be similar to that existing already in > the UK. For a quick reference look into NZ Herald form 16.11.2000 ("Big > brother eying your e-mail", [Herald] and "Cyber world fears snoop law", > [Business Herald]) > > That decision would have a significant impact on citizens of this country, > our trading partners, as well as law enforcement agencies. We believe that > such an important law necessitates a wide discussion not necessary limited > to the NZ government and parliamentary circles. Especially electronic > commerce and information security specialists need to voice their opinion. > > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Aus problems.
by Simon Lyall 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

According to the word Telstra have had a cable cut near Singapore which is badly affecting them and some other Aussie ISPs. Nothing on the outages page of course, but it's been happening all evening. "Telstra expect to have their core routers operational within approximately two hours" Also bad flooding in NSW. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Fwd: Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain
by Andy Linton 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

>From: Ministerial Announcements <announce(a)ministers.govt.nz> >To: "All Ministerial releases" <all-releases(a)executive.govt.nz> >Subject: Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:18:32 +1300 >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:leave-swain-releases-15379N(a)executive.govt.nz> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:leave-all-releases-8282Y(a)executive.govt.nz> >Reply-To: "All Ministerial releases" <all-releases(a)executive.govt.nz> >Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >17 November 2000 >Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain > >Associate Minister of Justice Paul Swain has welcomed the passage of his >'anti-hacking' bill to the Law and Order Select Committee. I'm not happy that this is spammed to the NZNOG list. It's interesting but it's not an operational issue. It's a press release and I'd be quite happy to read about this in the press. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain
by Ministerial Announcements 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

17 November 2000 Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain Associate Minister of Justice Paul Swain has welcomed the passage of his 'anti-hacking' bill to the Law and Order Select Committee. This afternoon Parliament voted to send the Supplementary Order Paper to Crimes Amendement Bill (Number 6) to the Law and Order Select Committee for submissions and deliberation. "The overarching purpose of this SOP is to make hacking illegal in New Zealand - I think that is vital for every New Zealander who owns a computer. We need to send a strong message that hacking is not cool, it is not clever, it is a serious crime," Paul Swain said. "If it proceeds, this legislation would make accessing a computer system without authorisation a criminal offence punishable by a maximum of two years imprisonment. "At the moment computer hacking is not an offence in New Zealand. "The process now is for the Law and Order Select Committee to hear submissions on the SOP and make deliberations, this is a vital part of the process. This is the stage when the public get to have their say about the Bill. " For that reason I have ensured that there is a lengthy process for consideration by, and submission to the select committee. I propose asking the select committee to report back by the 30th May, which should give ample time for this process. "I have given an absolute assurance that law abiding citizens who are not involved in criminal activity have nothing to fear from this legislation. People will be looking for proof of that assurance when the select committee reports back," Paul Swain said. --- You are currently subscribed to swain-releases as: all-releases(a)executive.govt.nz To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-swain-releases-15379N(a)executive.govt.nz --- You are currently subscribed to all-releases as: EpistlesFromTheState(a)Hamish.MacEwan.gen.nz To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-all-releases-8282Y(a)executive.govt.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ Broadband mailing list
by Dan Langille 20 Nov '00

20 Nov '00

I send this message was sent to nz.comp last night. I figured more than one list member would be interested: I've just created the New Zealand broadband mailing list. Given that the ADSL mailing list has grown quite a bit, it's time to split the list. adsl(a)unixathome.org will continue to deal with ADSL. broadband(a)unixathome.org will deal with broadband in general and delivery methods such as ISDN, satellite, Saturn cable, chello, IHUG Ultra, etc. Those who wish to subscribe to the new list should send a message to majordomo(a)unixathome.org with "subscribe broadband" in the body of the message. The archives for the new list, once there is something to archive, will go online later this week at http://unixathome.org/broadband/ cheers -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Internet Surveillance
by Joe Abley 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Hi, ISOCNZ have a working group looking at Internet Surveillance, and are attempting to decide on a position from which to make recommendations to the Government. It hasn't been running long. http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-iswg There was some noise in the press about police powers with respect to internet surveillance recently (although not much signal). I'm trying to look at the operational impact of legislation in this area. Ignoring the philosophical debate about what is and what isn't appropriate about surveillance in general, or about police powers to gather evidence from ISPs: + suppose the police have sufficient cause to be suspicious about the antics of one of your customers that they obtain a court order which entitles them to "tap their internet traffic". Suppose you decided (or were compelled) to facilitate the "tap". o what is reasonable for them to tap? Incoming (to-customer) e-mail? Outgoing (from-customer) e-mail? A complete packet dump? o If you have customers who don't have static IP addresses, is it feasible to collect data from an individual subscriber without collecting it from a whole bunch of others at the same time? o would you be happy letting someone from the police connect her own equipment to your network in order to gather the evidence the court order entitled them to collect? Would you prefer to do it yourself? o would your company expect to be reimbursed for the time spent facilitating the "tap"? o how easy would it be for you to insert something in your network to capture all packets to/from one of your customers? (scale of 1 [trivial] to 10 [impossible]) o assuming it was possible, how much inconvenience would it cause to other customers to put the tap in place? (scale of 1 [none] to 10 [take them off the air for the duration of the tap]) + suppose all interception of network traffic was prohibited across the board without a court order; i.e. you were compelled to shift your customers' traffic blindfolded, and were absolutely not allowed to look at it. Would this be feasible? How much troubleshooting would be impossible under these kinds of conditions? + do you have a clause in your contract with your customers which permits you to inspect customer traffic for operational (or other) purposes? + are you aware of hooks in your network hardware which are designed to allow customer traffic to be intercepted? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Internet Surveillance
by David Katz 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

One just needs to look at the US and the whole fiasco that Carnivore has created to find out that this will be much more difficult than it appears... ;) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Newbery [mailto:Michael.Newbery(a)telstrasaturn.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:58 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Internet Surveillance At 11:22 AM -0500 6/11/00, Joe Abley wrote: > >I'm trying to look at the operational impact of legislation in >this area. Ignoring the philosophical debate about what is and >what isn't appropriate about surveillance in general, or about >police powers to gather evidence from ISPs: [After not a lot of people responded, Joe attempted to shame us into replying. For the record, I'm too busy (excuse #2)] > > + suppose the police have sufficient cause to be suspicious > about the antics of one of your customers that they obtain > a court order which entitles them to "tap their internet > traffic". Suppose you decided (or were compelled) to > facilitate the "tap". > > o what is reasonable for them to tap? Incoming (to-customer) > e-mail? Outgoing (from-customer) e-mail? A complete packet > dump? Email, probably. A complete packet dump could present problems. I would be unwilling to do anything that would cost us money--without appropriate recompense---or that would impact network performance---in any event. I am unwilling to slow my STM-1024 down to V.24 speeds so I can wiretap. > o would you be happy letting someone from the police connect > her own equipment to your network in order to gather the > evidence the court order entitled them to collect? Would > you prefer to do it yourself? In general, no. I doubt their laptop has a suitable STM-1024 interface. Where possible, yes, under our supervision. > > o would your company expect to be reimbursed for the time > spent facilitating the "tap"? Of course. Actually, I'd expect that my company could and therefor should just write the cost off to civic welfare, but I think that a struggling ISP might not appreciate having to stump up overtime for several people to make the tap work. > > o how easy would it be for you to insert something in your > network to capture all packets to/from one of your customers? > (scale of 1 [trivial] to 10 [impossible]) 1-10. It depends on which customer and where in the network. > + suppose all interception of network traffic was prohibited > across the board without a court order; i.e. you were compelled > to shift your customers' traffic blindfolded, and were absolutely > not allowed to look at it. Would this be feasible? How much > troubleshooting would be impossible under these kinds of > conditions? Depends on how it's worded. In the extreme case, if I can't look at my customers' packets, I (my routers) can't read the address headers and the packets never make it past the first RJ-45! I would consider the wording in the current radio regs for amateurs has the right flavour. In the event that you intercept communications not intended for you, you are required to act as if you had not in fact intercepted the communications. In particular you must not communicate them to a third party. What's the statement? "Hard cases make bad law"? I shudder to think how to draught legislation that accurately and unambiguously sets out the rights and obligations of all parties and also keep up with technology. Let's just promote PGP a lot :-) -- Michael Newbery Technical Specialist Telstra Saturn Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:02-939 5102 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FBI responds to Carnivore criticism will deploy "Childsaver"
by Hamish MacEwan 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

WASHINGTON, D.C. (Routers) -- FBI Director Louis Freeh announced today that the Federal Bureau of Investigation takes the criticism of its wiretapping computer sniffer Carnivore "very seriously." In a hastily-called press conference, he acknowledged that the FBI had "underestimated the importance of the Constitution to the citizen-units.' "We are withdrawing Carnivore at this time," he said to an assembled audience of journalists, activists, and visiting death squad officials from South America. "Simply put, we expected citizen-units to simply shrug off our latest surveillance measures. That, and the name. Apparently we insulted the vegetarian and vegan contingent," he joked. Director Freeh announced that while Carnivore was being withdrawn, the FBI would go ahead with deployment of a much more powerful system called "Childsaver." "Childsaver is our next-generation "first mover advantage" product," said Freeh, adopting the FBI's new dotcom-friendly jargon. "Childsaver is a best-of-breed product. It gives us a powerful edge in the surveillance space, and we think our investors will be happy." Childsaver, as Director Freeh explained it, will require suppliers of browsers and mail programs to install the Childsaver plug-in in every program shipped. "Childsaver will allow the legitimate needs of law enforcement by enabling lawful surveillance orders to be carried out swiftly and undetectably." When asked by a reporter if Carnivore had always been intended as a sacrifice move, to be abandoned and replaced by the better-sounding Childsaver, Director Freeh referred all such questions to the Ministry of Truth. Check the source. Hamish. -- We are each of us angels with only one wing, and we can only fly by embracing one another. -Luciano de Crescenzo --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Seminar by Dr Christophe (Sprint)
by Tony McGregor 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

The following seminar is being hosted by the Waikato University network research group (WAND). NZNOG visitors are welcome, let me know if you plan to attend so we can lay in supplies. Tony ---- Experiences Monitoring Backbone IP Networks Conducted by Dr Christophe Diot IP research Group, Sprint We present our experiences with monitoring traffic on the Sprint IP backbone network using the passive monitoring DAG OC-3/OC-12 card developed at the University of Waikato. We currently have 11 monitoring systems installed at one location, however managing a monitoring system of this scale is a challenging task since each link monitored can generate up to 100 GB of data each day. We discuss techniques for transferring the data to the lab, storing the data, and efficiently processing. Finally we present results that demonstrate the capabilities of our system and provide information which is useful in developing future measurement systems. Christophe Diot received a Ph.D. degree in Computer Science from INP Grenoble in 1991. From 1993 to 1998, he was a research scientist at INRIA Sophia Antipolis, working on new Internet architecture and protocols. Diot moved to Sprint Advanced Technology Laboratory in October 1998 to take the lead of the IP research group. His current interest is in deployable multicast (SSM) and Internet resource control. Diot is also member of IEEE and ACM, member of the COST 264 action, and serves as an editor for ACM/IEEE Transactions on Networking. Presented on Thursday 16 Nov 2000 at 4:00pm School Meeting Room, GG-12 ---- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Internet Surveillance
by Tony Wicks 12 Nov '00

12 Nov '00

yes, prepaid - http://www.mysurf.net.nz btw, users on mysurf ( which has just ben launched ) are address translated and blocked from accessing Asia Online Mail servers or news servers. They only have web-based mail. if you have any problems with anti-social activities from mysurf pre-paid users please email helpdesk(a)nz.asiaonline.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Joe Abley Sent: Monday, 13 November 2000 9:01 a.m. To: Shane Cole Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Internet Surveillance On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 08:53:43AM +1300, Shane Cole wrote: > Just one thing, what are they going to do about people using prepaid ^^^^^^^ > internet on prepaid cellular to do there naughtyness... Prepaid? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Internet Surveillance
by Sid Jones 12 Nov '00

12 Nov '00

At 21:53 12/11/2000 +0000, Jeremy Clyma wrote: >BTW isn't it time for a NZNOG pissu^H^H^H meeting again soon? Wellington or Auckland? -- Sid --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Internet Surveillance
by Tony Wicks 12 Nov '00

12 Nov '00

Actually, what I meant is that if there proves to be a significant number of complaints then Asia Online / Vodaphone management will need to take another look at the policy ( not me ! ). -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] Sent: Monday, 13 November 2000 10:13 a.m. To: Jeremy Clyma Cc: Tony Wicks Subject: Re: Internet Surveillance On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 08:41:09PM +0000, Jeremy Clyma wrote: > No, its not only a problem if you run an open relay.... > > Certain individuals provide lists of badly secured smtp servers which I > can just see a prepaid spammer for hire, abusing to their hearts content. Ah, but as Tony pointed out, you can always complain to the asia online helpdesk. "I'm sorry, we have no idea who that user is, so I guess they might well do it again. Yes, that does suck. Goodbye, thanks for calling." :) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Further to Australian Domain Name allocation policies and CER
by Frank March 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

An obvious follow up question winged my way within minutes of my post on acquisition of a domain name in the .com.au space: how does one acquire an ABN? Basically you need to fill in a form (AFAIK online registration is not possible, roll on e-Govt :-). Buckets of forms are held by TradeNZ and the contact is David Robertson, (04) 496 6414. I am informed that the forms may raise some questions as they are intended for Australians (for example, the form asks for Australian addresses but apparently NZ addresses will do just as well). The Manufacturers' Association and the Export Institute of NZ also have copies of the forms. Further information may be found at the MFAT Australian Division pages at http://www.mft.govt.nz/foreign/regions/australia.html Good hunting. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Australian Domain Name allocation policies and CER
by Frank March 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Not a technical issue but one which will nevertheless be of interest to subscribers to this list. At the July summit held by ISOCNZ to discuss issues relating to ICANN and DNS policies, a member raised a question about the apparent lack of reciprococity between Australian DN allocation policies and those of NZ and whether this was an issue which should be dealt with under the CER arrangements. Because there is no restriction on who may register in .co.nz, any Australian firm wanting to e-trade in NZ using an apparently indigenous address can do so. But, because registration in .com.au is restricted to Australian firms, NZ firms wishing to trade in Australia using an apparently Australian indigenous address may be disadvantaged. We (MED) raised this as an issue in the context of the biennial review of CER arrangements but it was somehow sidelined. We have finally got an answer to the question. While this has been a problem in the past, New Zealand firms are now able to acquire an Australian Business Number (ABN) for GST registration purposes. The converse has long been true: Australian firms can register in NZ for GST and thus acquire a NZ GST number. I have received confirmation today from Jan Webster, Manager, Policy Implementation, Internet Names WorldWide, a division of Melbourne IT Ltd, that any firm with an ABN qualifies for registration in the .com.au space. They also accept applications from foreign companies which have an ARBN and are therefore registered to trade in Australia. In both cases there are other non-residency requirements that need to be met as well, of course. You may wish to pass this information on to anyone with an interest in this area. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: IHUG MX records
by Tech Support 07 Nov '00

07 Nov '00

For Netlink/Telstra try us on 04 922 8499 or (preferably) tech(a)tsnz.net FWIW I'm sure our phone system would cut you off waaaaay before 1/2 an hour ;) If Gary or myself can't help, we can usually find the person who can, and (as long as you say who you are and where you are from) we won't ask for account numbers. Peter Mott wrote: <snip> But many of the problems we experience are at another layer, dns mail web etc. None of us here have the time or enthusiasm to wait for the standard 1/2 hour so so to get an answer on a help desk and then try to get the person to stop demanding our ISP account number and what version of windows we are running. Maybe each ISP needs to appoint a technical advocate that can be the contact point for other ISP's. The advocate can then run around with some internal knowledge and find the person responsible for solving the problem, whilst making sure the issue gets resolved. <snip> Cheers, Peter Gray Telstra Saturn Tech Support E-mail: tech(a)tsnz.net Phone: 0800 949 000 Fax: 04 922 8401 Website: www.netlink.net.nz PO Box 5358, Wellington, New Zealand "Smile," they said "things could be worse!" So I smiled, and things were worse.... --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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netscan.org has query by AS
by Simon Lyall 07 Nov '00

07 Nov '00

It's seems to be fairly new, so people might want to have a look especially the people from AS 4768 . Just goto http://www.netscan.org/ and put your ASN in the box. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: IHUG MX records
by David Katz 02 Nov '00

02 Nov '00

I would have to agree with this... When dealing with zone files, and their modifications, I have found 2day.com (a direct competitor to our business) to be much swifter in response and more co-operative than IHUG albeit they are also a direct competitor - but at least in the time of internetworking we really need to be able to have a bit of the "inter" part working to keep the whole "network" running...and I've found 2day to be very helpful in that regard. Dave. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:50 PM To: Simon Lyall Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: IHUG MX records > On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Peter Mott wrote: > > p.s. Dont ring the IHUG operator and ask for NOC. I got put through to > > somebody who had never heard of 2day.com > > The guy on duty can't be expected to have heard of every little ISP in the > country, especially those that we don't exchange money with or peer with. Given the size of the New Zealand market and the fact that we manage more zones than IHUG, not to mention our visibility in the market, I think this is a little rich. > > and was more interested in finding > > out how I managed to get connected to the NOC from the outside world. > > People are NOT supposed to be put through to the NOC without announcing > them and without at least trying to work out what their problem is first. I am not people. I am not even a poor IHUG customer. I am a fellow ISP expecting a little cooperation and respect. My motive was to get a mutual customer back on the air. > People can ring our NOC number in emergancies (ie our filters have gone > bad and a full routing table is melting your router) but I think the duty > NOC guy thought you were some customer who had bluffed his way through the > helpdesk. He may well have, but I made myself very clear about who I was. There is a world beyond IHUG. Suggest you lot open your eyes. Not everybody is the enemy in your war. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 02 Nov '00

02 Nov '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just under 180 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Final Agenda - ICANN Outreach Seminar - Nov 7-9
by Sue Leader 02 Nov '00

02 Nov '00

Greetings Further to my previous email the final agenda for the Seminar is available at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/aptld_icann_outreach_001102.html. The plain text is below. The event is free and open to the public. Cheers Sue ++++++++++++ Text version APTLD/APNIC PACIFIC OUTREACH PROGRAM This Event is Free and Open to the Public - to find out how to get to UNITEC please go to UNITEC's maps page http://www.unitec.ac.nz/services/maps/howtoget.html If you plan to attend an RSVP to sguest(a)mail.nu would be appreciated Tuesday, November 7: Red Room UNITEC Auckland 0900 0915 Welcome - Gael McDonald, Dean, Faculty of Business, UNITEC 0915 1015 Introduction to ICANN - Jennifer Northover, Councilor, Internet Society of New Zealand Inc (ISOCNZ) - history - constituents - working groups - why you should participate - how to participate 1015 1045 APTLD - Dr Byung Kyu Kim of KRNIC (Korea) - history - structure - why you should participate - how you can participate 1045--1100 Morning tea break 1100 --1200 ASO - Paul Wilson, APNIC - History of IP Address Management - Introduction to the Regional Internet Registries - Address Supporting Organisation 1200 1300 LUNCH 1300 -- 1430 Voluntary Reports from Pacific ccTLDs: Niue, Cook Islands, Fiji, Vanuatu, Tuvalu, Solomons, Samoa, American Samoa, Tonga, Norfolk Island (Facilitator: Stafford Guest: ".nu") 1430 1530 Government Advisory Committee (GAC) Governments role in internet governance - Frank March, Senior IT Policy Advisor, NZ Ministry of Economic Development 1530 1600 AFTERNOON TEA 1600 1630 New Zealands Shared Registry Project: status report - Rick Shera, SRS Working Group, Lowndes Jordan, Auckland 1630 Networking (CSI sponsors) Wednesday, November 8 0900 1100 APNIC - Paul Wilson and Anne Lord - Introduction to APNIC - APNIC Status Report - Introduction to IP Address Management - APNIC Policies and Procedures - How to be an APNIC Member 1100 1115 MORNING TEA 1115 -- 1145 A Coming Issue: Multi Lingual Domain Names Ray Brownrigg, Victoria University, Wellington 1145 1230 Protection of Famous Names Trade Marks and the Internet - Bryan Thompson, Partner, A J Park, Auckland 1230 1330 LUNCH 1330-1400 Uniform Dispute Resolution Process Stafford Guest Internet Users Society Niue (IUS-N) 1400-1500 Country Code Registries and ICANN - Sue Leader Executive Director - ISOCNZ - do they need contracts with ICANN? - Best Practice models 1500 1530 AFTERNOON TEA 1530 -- 1700 Issues for the Internet in the Pacific: Shared Problems plenary discussion. Chair: Jim Higgins, New Zealand 1700 Networking Thursday, November 9: Blue Room APNIC training seminar. Organised by APNIC. (Attendance By Invitation) Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco 2514
by James Tyson 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

Hey all. I'm looking to get hold of a second hand 2514 (you know, 1RU, 2 ethernet ports) second hand. If anyone has one then let me know. Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Waikato University secondary name server shutdown -- LAST WARNING
by Andrew McGhie 26 Oct '00

26 Oct '00

On Tuesday, 31 October 2000, the Waikato University secondary name service for .nz domains (ns1.waikato.ac.nz) will be shut down. Users of this service should migrate to the Domainz public secondary (pubsec.domainz.net.nz) or other secondary name services. Domains that have not been migrated from ns1.waikato.ac.nz by 5pm on 31 October will be re-delegated to use pubsec.domainz.net.nz, and secondary service set up accordingly. However, since this change can not update configurations of primary name servers for name holder domains, the following adverse effects may be noted: (1) The delegation information at the .nz name servers will not match the delegation records held at the primary, and queries may still be directed to ns1.waikato.ac.nz due to caching; (2) The public secondary (pubsec.domainz.net.nz) may not be able to transfer domains from the primary servers. This may be due to firewalls or the primary name servers being configured to only permit name transfers from ns1.waikato.ac.nz. (The IP address for ns1.waikato.ac.nz is 140.200.128.13; for pubsec.domainz.net.nz it is 202.46.160.4.) To avoid these problems, please update your name service before the closedown. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Route Advertisments
by Tony Wicks 25 Oct '00

25 Oct '00

Hi all below is an updated prexix list of the Asia Online NZ ( ICONZ ) networks. Can those of you who we peer with please update your access lists.Note, the changes are the last two lines. cheers ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 192.188.185.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.27.99.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.36.36.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.36.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.36.77.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.37.132.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 202.37.138.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 202.37.148.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 202.37.163.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 95 permit 202.37.171.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 100 permit 202.37.184.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 105 permit 202.37.186.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 110 permit 202.37.192.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 115 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 120 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 125 permit 202.37.229.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 130 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 135 permit 202.37.249.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 140 permit 202.37.248.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 145 permit 202.37.252.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 150 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 155 permit 202.50.16.0/20 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 160 permit 203.99.65.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 165 permit 203.99.66.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 170 permit 203.99.71.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 175 permit 210.54.0.0/22 <--- Changed ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 180 permit 138.235.0.0/16 <--- New --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Enz of an Era
by Dean Pemberton 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Most of you are not going to care about this in the slightest, but I've just resigned at Lucent. I'll be starting with a small company called Juniper Networks helping to set up their regional support center in Sydney in late November. Maybe some you have heard of them =). Later Dean -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Pemberton - dp(a)lucent.com Linux User# 157870 Guy who does stuff at Lucent Technologies - Bell Labs Innovations Lvl 38, 55 Collins St, Melbourne 3000, Australia Current Location - 144d58.391'E 37d48.737'S (Work) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RFC's
by James Tyson 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Can anyone think of any RFC's that should be mentioned inside a networks Abuse/Security policy? All I have so far is RFC2142. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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bgp
by Tony Wicks 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Hi all, just to let you all know ( for those doing bgp filtering ) Asia online ( as4770 ) is now advertising the downstream as17427. an up to date prefix list is - ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 192.188.185.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.27.99.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.36.36.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.36.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.36.77.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.37.132.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 202.37.138.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 202.37.148.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 202.37.163.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 95 permit 202.37.171.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 100 permit 202.37.184.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 105 permit 202.37.186.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 110 permit 202.37.192.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 115 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 120 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 125 permit 202.37.229.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 130 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 135 permit 202.37.249.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 140 permit 202.37.248.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 145 permit 202.37.252.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 150 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 155 permit 202.50.16.0/20 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 160 permit 203.99.65.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 165 permit 203.99.66.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 170 permit 203.99.71.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 175 permit 210.54.0.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 180 permit 210.54.2.0/24 I expect to be adding another class b network ( belonging to a customer unfortunately ) next week. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: free dns services
by Erik Aronesty 16 Oct '00

16 Oct '00

http://www.zoneedit.com/ and http://www.granitecanyon.com/ both offer excellent free dns services for any domain. - erik

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SUBSCRIBE
by david 13 Oct '00

13 Oct '00

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Colocation facilities
by Marcus Spriggs(I-C-X) 13 Oct '00

13 Oct '00

Dear Sir I am trying to find out the names and addresses of colocation facilities in New Zealand . There do not seem to be many resources on the web. Can you help? Thanks Marcus Spriggs

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ICANN Outreach (Note APNIC Component)
by Donald Neal 12 Oct '00

12 Oct '00

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RE: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Jason Hunter 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

The same goes for CLEAR Net. It can be done online at anytime through the DNS Self management system. ( https://register.clear.net.nz ) The only thing to note here, is that you must have a CLEAR Net account. CLEAR Net also does not charge for the secondary name server service. Regards Jason jason.hunter(a)clear.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: FW: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz > > Andrew McGhie wrote: > > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as > > the public > > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public > > secondary are the > > same as for the old one [...] > This is rather misleading; the cost of pubsec.domainz.net.nz is $18, > whereas the last time anyone was allowed to set ns.waikato.ac.nz as one > of their nameservers, the cost was $12. 2day.com offers those folk currently using ns1.waikato.ac.nz free secondary name service. Send email to dns(a)2day.com stating the IP address of the name server configured to be master, and the name of the zone. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Peter Mott 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

> > Andrew McGhie wrote: > > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as > > the public > > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public > > secondary are the > > same as for the old one [...] > This is rather misleading; the cost of pubsec.domainz.net.nz is $18, > whereas the last time anyone was allowed to set ns.waikato.ac.nz as one > of their nameservers, the cost was $12. 2day.com offers those folk currently using ns1.waikato.ac.nz free secondary name service. Send email to dns(a)2day.com stating the IP address of the name server configured to be master, and the name of the zone. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Andrew McGhie 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

I apologise, my mistake. Cheers Andrew > > Andrew McGhie wrote: > > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned > as the public > > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public > secondary are the > > same as for the old one [...] Martin D Kealey wrote: > This is rather misleading; the cost of pubsec.domainz.net.nz is $18, > whereas the last time anyone was allowed to set > ns.waikato.ac.nz as one > of their nameservers, the cost was $12. > > Andrew (and anyone else repeating this statement), please specify the > current rate, rather than just saying "the same". > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by martin＠kurahaupo.gen.nz 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

Andrew McGhie wrote: > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as the public > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public secondary are the > same as for the old one [...] This is rather misleading; the cost of pubsec.domainz.net.nz is $18, whereas the last time anyone was allowed to set ns.waikato.ac.nz as one of their nameservers, the cost was $12. Andrew (and anyone else repeating this statement), please specify the current rate, rather than just saying "the same". -Martin. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Andrew McGhie 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as the public secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public secondary are the same as for the old one and will fall due on the same date. There is no charge for the transfer. If you are responsible for domain names using ns1.waikato.ac.nz can you either transfer them to the new public secondary or to another secondary of your own choosing. Before the weekend I will be mailing the name holders and technical contacts about the changes, so please bear in mind there will probably be an increase in help desk calls. Cheers Andrew --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Scott, Arron 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

Another Icon of NZ Internet bites the dust ... Those were the days, I remember when we had ns1 running on a Commodore PC-10, running FreeBSD, and we upgraded it to an IBM AIX box. <emotional sniff> Arron Scott (ex DNS Updater from before we figured we could do this with Scripts) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Andrew McGhie > Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2000 18:00 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz > > > > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as > the public > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public > secondary are the same as > for the old one and will fall due on the same date. There is > no charge for the > transfer. > > If you are responsible for domain names using > ns1.waikato.ac.nz can you either > transfer them to the new public secondary or to another > secondary of your own > choosing. > > Before the weekend I will be mailing the name holders and > technical contacts > about the changes, so please bear in mind there will probably > be an increase in > help desk calls. > > > Cheers > > > Andrew > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 08 Oct '00

08 Oct '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just over 170 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mr Dean Hutt
by Phill Groom 08 Oct '00

08 Oct '00

G'day all, Does anyone have a contact for a Mr Dean Hutt, IT Manager, Lincoln, Christchurch ? Replys off list to me please. Regards, Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Internet Mechanic mailto:pgroom(a)tsnz.net Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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CityLink/WIX Outage
by Richard Naylor 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

There will be a (hopefully) very brief outage on CityLink and WIX tonight somewhere between 5:30pm and 6:00pm while a backbone switch is upgraded. The outage will be while the switches pick up new MAC addresses and speeds are sorted out on some ports. This should be about 1 minute. Any customers affected after 6pm should call our Call Center on 385-9003. Network Operators with problems can call me on 021 897 089. Thanks for your co-operation. Richard Naylor richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Netgate problems
by Ben Martel 05 Oct '00

05 Oct '00

Same here. We only see an advertisement from WIX. Hmmmmmmmmm.. let me dig a little further. Ben Martel CLEAR Net CLEAR Communications Ltd > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Wicks [mailto:tony.wicks(a)nz.asiaonline.net] > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 2:27 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: Netgate problems > > > hmm, that's interesting Netgate does not seem to be > advertising xtra ( well > at least the www.xtra.co.nz ) ip address to us either, but I > can see it over > WIX. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Peter Mott > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 2:15 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Netgate problems > > > Anybody aware of connectivity problems with XTRA via Netgate? > > Telecom CTM report major DOS attack :-( > > Regards > > Peter Mott > Chief Enthusiast > 2day.com > -/- > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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late DEW - 4q2k
by bmanning＠flag.ep.net 29 Sep '00

29 Sep '00

Hi, I appologize for duplicates. Its almost time for the next quarterly walk of the inverse tree of the DNS. Since 1997, I've been walking the in-addr tree looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. The expectation is that they will be the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. Past data may be viewed at: http://www.isi.edu/~bmanning/in-addr-audit.html --bill 310.322.8102 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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My most sincere apologies for my last email
by Russell Sharpe 29 Sep '00

29 Sep '00

Please accept my most sincere apologies for my last email. I in inadvertently posted an email to nznog that was destined to a friend that was sent to me. I will endeavour not to do this again. kind regards Russell Sharpe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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df 311 316 317 322 (zipped)
by Russell Sharpe 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

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NZNOG BOF at NetForum?
by Donald Neal 26 Sep '00

26 Sep '00

Could anyone going to NetForum 2000 next week who might be interested in a NZNOG BOF if one were arranged please email me (rather than the list)? Thanks. Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra-Saturn NZIX router
by Sid Jones 24 Sep '00

24 Sep '00

Just a quick heads up to let you all know we've arranged for our router on the HIX to be unplugged, boxed up and sent back to us in Wellington [the ethernet has been shut down for the last few weeks anyway]. to steal a line from http://www.mola.org/mola/10baset.html Peace, were outa here..... -- Sid --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[O/T] T1 -> E1 convertor
by K. Anand Lal 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

I need a T1 -> E1 convertor for carrying out a few tests, and I don't want to spend $9000 to buy one. So far I haven't managed to find anyone in NZ that rents this gear out. Suggestions? Cheers, ----------------------------------------------------------- K. Anand Lal | ph: +64.9.3592767 Senior Network & Systems Engineer | +1.310.7399323 AS7657 | fax: +64.9.3581518 | noc: +64.9.3592708 ----------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: [O/T] T1 -> E1 converter
by Gary Wicks 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

Shameless plug for our company, who can probably provide what you want! We have all sorts of technical equipment for hire, may have what you need or can source it. Call our sales office on 0800 832 473 or email t&msales(a)techrentals.co.nz Also rent computers/network equipment short or long term if anyone is interested, we have supplied major ISP's with servers, etc.... Gary Wicks Managing Director Tech-Rentals NZ Ltd Email: garyw(a)techrentals.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of K. Anand Lal Sent: Friday, 8 September 2000 4:46 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [O/T] T1 -> E1 convertor I need a T1 -> E1 convertor for carrying out a few tests, and I don't want to spend $9000 to buy one. So far I haven't managed to find anyone in NZ that rents this gear out. Suggestions? Cheers, ----------------------------------------------------------- K. Anand Lal | ph: +64.9.3592767 Senior Network & Systems Engineer | +1.310.7399323 AS7657 | fax: +64.9.3581518 | noc: +64.9.3592708 ----------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DOMAINZ Review Terms of Reference
by DPF 08 Sep '00

08 Sep '00

I have been asked by ISOCNZ Council to draft up terms of reference for the independent review of DOMAINZ's new DRS or Domain Registration System. As this list would comprise a large proportion of the major agents and users I am seeking feedback on the draft terms before I send them formally to Council next week. Feedback is welcome to the list or direct to me. DRAFT TERM OF REFERENCE OF INDEPENDENT REVIEW The review is to be comprehensive and focus not just on the technical issue of the implementation of the DRS but the entire project from conception to the present day. The reviewer should include sections on, but not feel limited to: - system design - system implementation - risk management - governance - documentation - communications - technical issues - and most importantly recommendations Specific aspects that should be covered (but not limited to) are - final cost vs budgeted cost and reasons for any variations - details of responsibilities between ISOCNZ, DOMAINZ Board, DOMAINZ staff and any contractors including who approved and who recommended key details - A full listing of reported user problems with the new system, the reasons for them, have they been remedied and whether they were foreseeable. The lack of notification of zone changes to especially be covered - Details of consultation and feedback over the entirety of the project and how, if at all, this was fed into the final system. - A clear summary of what the perceived benefits of the new system were to various stakeholders (ISOCNZ, ISPs, Agents and users) and what input the stakeholders had into the fundamental concepts behind the design - What documentation was prepared for users of the systems, including ISPs and Agents, and the adequacy of such documentation The reviewer should at a minimum consult with (including traveling to interview if necessary) the following people and groups - DOMAINZ Board, DOMAINZ staff, ISOCNZ Councillors and Technical Committee, Contractors working on the project, major NZ based ISPs and Agents. Submissions from any interested party (including domain name holders) should also be called for. The principles of natural justice should be adhered to and any allegations or opinions should be put to the other parties concerned for their comment. The reviewer's report will be made public. If there is any evidence which can not legally be made public this should be referred to in the public report, but not detailed. A fuller report, if necessary, which includes confidential information shall go to the DOMAINZ Board only. DPF ________________________________________________________________________ <david at farrar dot com> NZ Usenet FAQs - http://www.dpf.ac.nz/usenet/nz ICQ 29964527 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Remote hands in Santa Clara, California.
by Rob Isaac 04 Sep '00

04 Sep '00

Folks, I've got a colo that needs to be dismantled in Santa Clara, California, USA. I'm having some trouble with the contractors we had arranged to do it, so I'm considering using someone else. Anyone have any clueful friends in the area, or have some contractors they might have used before? TIA. <R>< --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Aug '00

31 Aug '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just under 170 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the NetForum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in the first week of October. For further details of the conference, see http://www.uniforum.org.nz/netforum/ . Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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MEDIA: Sydney Morning Herald - Telstra Blacklist Story. (fwd)
by Alan Brown 27 Aug '00

27 Aug '00

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:42:56 +0900 From: Glenn Barry <gbarry(a)SYDNEY.NET> Subject: MEDIA: Sydney Morning Herald - Telstra Blacklist Story. Posted just for the record and future reference: http://www.smh.com.au/news/0008/28/bizcom/bizcom1.html ============================= Telstra on black list because of spamming Junk mail over the Net arouses strong passions. Kevin Morrison explores the issues. Telstra has long boasted that it wants to become a major player in the Internet world butmany in cyberspace accuse Telstra of harbouring the Internet community's number one enemy, spammers. "Spam" unsolicited emails have become the vehicle of 21st century snake-oil salesmen, offering various schemes and services, to millions of recipients. Spam clogs up email in-boxes, slows down Internet traffic and overloads the systems of Internet service providers, hence the unpopularity of its perpetrators. "They can really cause havoc because systems get overloaded and it is impossible to get off a spam list, so people get annoyed as the junk can take hours to clear," said one Internet user, who did not want to be named because of concerns that he would be targeted by spammers. Being the telecommunications carrier that transports the spam, Telstra has landed in hot water among the Internet community. Over the past three months Telstra has been among the most unpopular Internet organisations on "anti-spam" information Web site Spamcop (web address http://spamcop.net) "Telstra serves a country of 20 million people and yet it has been the most complained about network for several months. So Telstra has not got a good reputation in the Internet world," the Internet user said. Anti-spam groups such as ORBS and MAPS have formed to fight these rogues of the Net, with a mission to drive them off the Internet. The most effective way to do that is to cut off links to the telecommunications operator that allows spammers to connect to their network. The anti-spam groups have achieved some measure of success. In March US Internet backbone carrier AGIS (Apex Global Internet Services) was forced into bankruptcy after it became an outcast in the Internet community over its refusal to rid its network of spammers. "The anti-spam organisations should not be underestimated," the Internet user said. Last week ORBS temporarily put a black ban on Telstra, which meant that the 200 plus Internet service providers that subscribe to ORBS from around the world would not receive email coming from the Telstra network. Given that Telstra is the largest carrier of Internet traffic in Australia that means a lot of emails sent last week were bounced back to their senders, including messages sent from The Sydney Morning Herald email system to New Zealand-based ORBS administrator Mr Alan Brown. Mr Brown said Telstra had been put on the ORBS black list because of its slowness to disconnect notorious spammers. Mr Brown said Telstra's treatment of two alleged spammers, Mr Phil Basten and Mr Dean Westbury, who are directors of company named Global Web Solutions, had triggered the ORBS action. Telstra spokesman Mr Stuart Gray acknowledged the two men were spammers and that Telstra had cut their connection to its Big Pond service. Despite Telstra claims that the pair were disconnected, Messrs Basten and Westbury were still operating late last week. "They are playing the game of multiple names, multiple identities, and they keep on popping up. But it is hard to know that they are going to be spammers when they first set up," Mr Gray said. The two men are also being watched by the Australian Securities and Investment Commission. "We are monitoring some of the activities of these gentlemen," an ASIC spokeswoman said. However, Mr Basten told the Herald that he was not a spammer and that he and Mr Westbury provided Web-hosting services and programs that allowed customers to bulk mail. He said that some of his customers appeared to be spammers. "We didn't know anything about it. It looks like there are four out of about 100 customers that have been spamming and we had no way of knowing. "The first thing I knew about it was when Telstra closed down our service and that has cost us a lot of money. So I am going to get our lawyers and try and get that money back from Telstra," Mr Basten said. A Telstra spokesman said that they had enough evidence to prove that Mr Basten and Mr Westbury were spammers. Australia's Internet carriers have not been as active as their US counterparts in stamping out spamming. In the US, where spamming activities first started, ISPs have become more active in cutting spammers from their network, issuing heavy fines and strict conditions that customers must adhere to. Both Telstra and Optus claim to have stringent anti-spam policies on their networks, prohibiting users from carrying out "unacceptable Internet behaviour such as spamming." However, Mr Brown said both carriers had been very slow to react to spamming. "Optus have not responded to any complaints that I have made to them. The Cable & Wireless group worldwide has a bad reputation in the Internet community where they are known as Clueless and Witless," Mr Brown said. With the Internet increasingly moving to wireless platforms, such as WAP on mobile phones, spamming is expected to spread even further unless carriers jump on it. With several carriers expected to participate in the mobile Internet space, the choices will increase for spammers. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: WIX Route Reflectors
by James Tyson 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

> So, let me get this straight. He gets troubles when he receives routes > from you directly, and then again via the route server? Yeah. Turns out he's running some horrible system based on gated. > Which means that the other 40 odd peers of the route servers will no > longer have direct paths to xtra's networks (of that 40, maybe half are on > private ASN, so can't easily peer directly with xtra), and vice versa. > I'm happy to not send updates we receive from xtra on to users xtra peer > directly with, but I need you to tell me who those peers are. If you > don't want us to send Xtra updates Plain, I'll knock 'em on the head > immediately. Personally, I'd hope that was a better solution that just > dropping the route server peering completely (it's what we do for > Paradise and Netlink, for example). What we have been doing in the past (and what we are doing now, for that matter) is to add our routes into the mix, but not learn anything from the route reflectors. > Thats going to be a tad pointless, when you've dropped your peer, and > Matthew currently has his peering down! Can you cut and paste some > examples of where the route server is doing something wrong? 'praps you > could give me a call on 025 XXX XXX, or let me know your number, and I'll > call you. Yeah, I realised that just after I sent you the last mail. However, allowing routes from the WIX route reflectors to enter our network raises trust issues. The problem being, I know of you, Mr Blake, but I'm afraid I don't know you (god I love that line, thank's Chris Roberts for giving us the wing commander movie!). I would rather under-utilise our WIX connection by using only explicit domestic peering with other large peers, whom I know how to contact, than use route reflectors, both of which are under a completely different routing domain, and can potentially have conflicting policies with mine. This is not, however, a personal attack on yourself, your administrative abilities, or your network, but merely a statement of fact. I cannot allow routes from unknown and untrusted sources to be injected into my AS unless stringent measures are undertaken on your part to ensure the sanity of said advertisements. I will however allow our network to learn routes from you if you are able to give documented evidence that every route is under the strict control of the WIX. In an effort to help, I am willing to send you a prefix-list of Xtra's networks. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ICMP broadcast amplifier list (fwd)
by Alan Brown 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

For those not on Bugtraq. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:40:39 -0700 From: Troy Davis <troy(a)NACK.NET> To: BUGTRAQ(a)SECURITYFOCUS.COM Subject: ICMP broadcast amplifier list netscan.org has rechecked all routed /24s for ICMP directed broadcasts (smurf amplification) and made public the complete list of misconfigured networks. The probes ran from 8/18-8/21. The results are queryable and downloadable at http://netscan.org Cheers, Troy --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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None
by None 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

JAA25389 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:31 +1200 Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1]=20 by uber.samizdat.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13PXd8-0007OO-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:18 +1200 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:18 +1200 (NZST) From: James Tyson <james(a)samizdat.co.nz> Sender: eugene(a)uber.samizdat.co.nz To: David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10008180939580.13987-100000(a)wakko.wetstring.net= > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008180953350.28229-100000(a)uber.samizdat.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII > Hmmm.. very odd, 12.0(4)T with IP/FW leaked memory like there was no > tomorrow on our 3640 :) 12.0(7)T with the same features doesn't leak > memory (that I've noticed) and doesn't drop static routes either.. >=20 > Although they are different hardware platforms, so perhaps that'll make > the difference. I will obtain said image and try that :) We have found pretty much every IOS 12 release up until 12.0([10..11])S has been either unstable, leaked memory, or had some bug with one of the interface types we are running. That's on our 7500's though. Our 7200 VXR is running 11S and is as happy as larry, and has been for some time. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions =20 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Weird BGP community stuff
by James Tyson 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

We have a router in Christchurch that seems to be sending community attributes to an EBGP peer, even though the neighbor statements dont contain the send-community argument. Does anyone know whats causing it? The router is running version 12.0(7)S1 on a 7500 series chasis. Also, on a somewhat related note, all domestic routes learned over WIX are being tagged with the community 9325:100, which is all cool. Our wix router does this: IPNWN1-B1#sh ip bgp 202.10.80.0 BGP routing table entry for 202.10.80.0/20, version 457621 Paths: (1 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table) Advertised to non peer-group peers: 202.27.158.248 202.27.176.3 202.27.176.6 202.27.176.7 202.27.176.12 203.96.111.254 9718 202.7.0.78 from 202.7.0.78 (202.10.65.24) Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 100, valid, external, best Community: 9325:100 The christchurch router says this: IPNCH1-B6#sh ip bgp 202.10.80.0 BGP routing table entry for 202.10.80.0/20, version 82178 Paths: (1 available, best #1) Advertised to non peer-group peers: 202.36.174.82 9718 202.7.0.78 (metric 179712) from 202.27.176.4 (202.27.185.135) Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 100, valid, internal, best Community: 611123300 ^^^^^^^^^ - what is this?!?!? shouldnt it be 9325:100?? Any ideas anyone has would be helpful. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Weird BGP community stuff
by Ben Martel 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

James, Your 611123300 wierdo is actually just another way of representing 9325:100. It is really two sixteen bit values added together eg. 9325*65536 = 611123200 + 100 = 611123300 ( your answer) To change this representation you need to enter the IOS command: ip bgp-community new-format Cheers Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: James Tyson [mailto:james(a)samizdat.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 18 August 2000 4:18 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Weird BGP community stuff > > > > We have a router in Christchurch that seems to be sending > community > attributes to an EBGP peer, even though the neighbor > statements dont > contain the send-community argument. Does anyone know whats > causing it? > > The router is running version 12.0(7)S1 on a 7500 series chasis. > > Also, on a somewhat related note, all domestic routes learned > over WIX are > being tagged with the community 9325:100, which is all cool. Our wix > router does this: > > IPNWN1-B1#sh ip bgp 202.10.80.0 > BGP routing table entry for 202.10.80.0/20, version 457621 > Paths: (1 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table) > Advertised to non peer-group peers: > 202.27.158.248 202.27.176.3 202.27.176.6 202.27.176.7 202.27.176.12 > 203.96.111.254 > 9718 > 202.7.0.78 from 202.7.0.78 (202.10.65.24) > Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 100, valid, external, best > Community: 9325:100 > > The christchurch router says this: > > IPNCH1-B6#sh ip bgp 202.10.80.0 > BGP routing table entry for 202.10.80.0/20, version 82178 > Paths: (1 available, best #1) > Advertised to non peer-group peers: > 202.36.174.82 > 9718 > 202.7.0.78 (metric 179712) from 202.27.176.4 (202.27.185.135) > Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 100, valid, internal, best > Community: 611123300 > ^^^^^^^^^ - what is this?!?!? shouldnt it be > 9325:100?? > > Any ideas anyone has would be helpful. > > James Tyson --- > Samizdat New Media Solutions > > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS
by Donald Neal 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

>>> "Sid Jones" <sjones(a)netlink.net.nz> 18/August/2000 11:39am >>> >Well I'm going to ask... why doesn't it just work? For a full explanation, see http://www.ubersoft.net/d/20000804.html . - Donald Neal :{)* --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS
by Scott, Arron 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Not particularly odd to me, the 12.0T stream has various "new tchnologies" and "your milage may vary". Past VERY INTENSE relationships I have had with a number of 12.0T releases indicated that various hardware platforms behave very differently with each minor-release, and the activation of one feature or another also directly affects the behaviour. The 12.1 stream includes all the features of 12.0T, and is stabilising out well, you may want to look at trialling a release in there soon, if 12.04T gives you no luck. Arron Scott Systems Engineer Cisco Systems -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of David Zanetti Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2000 14:46 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Russell Sharpe wrote: > Based on your description of required features ie BGP on a firewall > feature set, you will need the following: > > c7200-ios-mz.12.0-4.T (32/16) <<...>> S72CH-12.0.4T or S72CH-12.0.4T=, > which is IP/Firewall. Hmmm.. very odd, 12.0(4)T with IP/FW leaked memory like there was no tomorrow on our 3640 :) 12.0(7)T with the same features doesn't leak memory (that I've noticed) and doesn't drop static routes either.. Although they are different hardware platforms, so perhaps that'll make the difference. I will obtain said image and try that :) -- David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> | Crowd: "Someone else, someone else!" Moderator, nz.politics.announce | Homer: "I'm someone else!" #include <geek/unix.h> | -- The Simpsons --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS
by Donald Neal 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

James Tyson wrote: > Hmmm.. very odd, 12.0(4)T with IP/FW leaked memory like there was no > tomorrow on our 3640 :) 12.0(7)T with the same features doesn't leak > memory (that I've noticed) and doesn't drop static routes either.. > > Although they are different hardware platforms, so perhaps that'll make > the difference. I will obtain said image and try that :) We have found pretty much every IOS 12 release up until 12.0([10..11])S has been either unstable, leaked memory, or had some bug with one of the interface types we are running. That's on our 7500's though. Our 7200 VXR is running 11S and is as happy as larry, and has been for some time. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BOUNCE nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz: Admin request of type/\buns\w*b/i at line 9 -Forwarded
by Donald Neal 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

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Bizzareness and Oddity with IOS
by David Zanetti 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Have a Cisco 7206 (not the newer VXR model, the older one) and attempted last night to upgrade IOS on it from 11.2(3) to 12.0(7)T. Seemed to run okay (nothing on boot jumped out and said "broken") and pinged various bits of the network, with no problems. Left and went home :) Got to work this morning to discover "Internet broken". (Eventually) noticed that the 7206 had dropped two static routes, one of which was the default route. Hmmm.. Add them back, and a few minutes later they disappear again. Hmmmm.. Perhaps it's something odd comming from the BGP sessions with the WIX route server? Drop BGP, it still forgets the static routes after a few minutes. At this point we decided to back out of the IOS upgrade, and rebooted with 11.2(3), which has been running fine since. We do have a 3640 with the same feature set/revision, and it doesn't exhibit this problem. Suggestions? Give up on 12.0(7)T and pick a later release? Give up on the 12.0 tree altogether? Give up on IOS and Cisco altogether? :)) -- David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> | Crowd: "Someone else, someone else!" Moderator, nz.politics.announce | Homer: "I'm someone else!" #include <geek/unix.h> | -- The Simpsons --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WIX Route Reflectors
by James Tyson 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Just so that everyone knows; I have disabled Xtra's peering sessions with the WIX route reflectors and am falling back to direct peering arrangements with other ISP's and networks. If you need to ask why, then take a look at some of the AS-path's that thing is propagating. If you do not have a direct peering arrangement with Xtra over the WIX then I suggest that you mail me at james.tyson(a)team.xtra.co.nz, and do it fast, because I am leaving next friday. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Open spam relay at Port of Nelson
by Alan Brown 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <chops30(a)earthlink.net> Delivered-To: <aroberts(a)manawatu.gen.nz> Received: from gateway.pnl.co.nz (smtp.pnl.co.nz [210.54.242.145]) by mailhost.manawatu.net.nz (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e7G3SW530095 for <aroberts(a)manawatu.gen.nz>; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:28:32 +1200 Received: from sdn-ar-001tnknoxP108.dialsprint.net_[206.133.83.68] (sdn-ar-001tnknoxP108.dialsprint.net [206.133.83.68]) by gateway.pnl.co.nz (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20790; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:58:23 +1200 From: chops30(a)earthlink.net Received: from 206.133.83.68 by sdn-ar-001tnknoxP108.dialsprint.net with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:57:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00003536566a$000005ed$00004503(a)206.133.83.68> To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)gateway.pnl.co.nz> Subject: Gain Financial Success Today!! 17667 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:57:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal <HTML> FOLLOW ME TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!! I Am looking for people with good work ethic and extrordinary desire to earn at least $10,000 per month working from home! NO SPECIAL SKILLS OR EXPERIENCE REQUIRED We will give you all the training and personal support you will need to ensure your success! This LEGITIMATE HOME-BASED INCOME OPPORTUNITY can put you back in control of your time,your finances,and your life! If you've tried other opportunities in the past that have failed to live up their promises, THIS IS DIFFERENT THEN ANYTHING ELSE YOU'VE SEEN! THIS IS NOT A GET RICH QUICK SCHEME! YOUR FINANCIAL PAST DOES NOT HAVE TO BE YOUR FINANCIAL FUTURE! CALL ONLY IF YOU ARE SERIOUS! 1-800-345-9708 DONT GO TO SLEEP WITHOUT LISTENING TO THIS! "ALL our dreams can come true- if we have the courage to persue them" -Walt Disney Please Leave Your Name And Number And Best Time To Call DO NOT RESPOND BY EMAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is sent in compliance of the new email bill section 301.PerSection 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618. We will comply with all removal requests.Just Put Remove mailto:bagboy(a)burmeses.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------</HTML> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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spam relay at actrix: MISC: There's a Fungus (Spammer didn't rhyme) Among Us (fwd)
by Alan Brown 12 Aug '00

12 Aug '00

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:37:10 -0400 From: Up Yours Spammer <up.yours.spammer(a)MINDSPRING.COM> Subject: MISC: There's a Fungus (Spammer didn't rhyme) Among Us My Up.Yours.Spammer(a)mindspring.com address was created solely for receiving postings from SPAM-L and has never been used publicly anywhere else. Locate the slime bag who sent this and you'll locate a Spammer on this list who's snagging addresses. Insert applicable rule re: disclaimer at the bottom. Lart sent to @home for remove address. X-Persona: <Up Yours Spammer> Return-Path: <sea(a)home.com> Received: from angel.actrix.co.nz ([203.96.16.105]) by niles.mail.mindspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id spb8mp.bth.37kbi1o Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ROTWILER1J - 38.29.28.108 by angel.actrix.co.nz with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1774.114.11); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:17:13 +1200 To: sea(a)home.com From: sea(a)home.com Comments: Authenticated sender is <sea(a)home.com> Reply-to: sea(a)home.com Subject: Make $1,000 a day with E-Marketing Message-Id: <200008123477ZAA48793(a)post.96.23.127> Date: 13 Aug 2000 07:17:34 +1200 <snipped> (Offer expires 8-14-00) http://www.smtm1.com http://www.nightauto.com ________________________________________________________________ ********************* This is a 100% opt-in email list. You are recieving this message because you have either subscribed to our newsletter or indicated that you want to recieve this type of email on another website. If you feel that you have recieved this message in error, please send an email to: sea(a)home.com with "Remove" as your subject. We immediately honor all requests to be removed from this list. This message is being sent to you in compliance with the Federal legislation for commercial e-mail (H.R.4176 - Section 101, Paragraph (e)(1)(a)) and Bill s.1618 Title III passed by the 105th US Congress. ********************* --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Fwd: Re: surge in spam email (fwd)
by Andy Linton 10 Aug '00

10 Aug '00

Well I found this a reasonably rational description of the problem and amusing at the same time so I thought I'd share it with you all..... >X-Sieve: cmu-sieve 1.3 >Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu >X-Authentication-Warning: world.std.com: bzs set sender to >bzs(a)world.std.com using -f >From: Barry Shein <bzs(a)world.std.com> >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:59:25 -0400 (EDT) >To: woods(a)weird.com (Greg A. Woods) >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: surge in spam email (fwd) >X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.5.2 >Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu >X-Loop: nanog > > > > >I think if *everyone* stood up at once and declared that open relays > >were bad for us all then there wouldn't be too much trouble because > >there'd be nowhere for frustrated customers to jump to! ;-) > >Ya know, Greg, if everyone in China jumped off a 12 inch stool >simultaneously it'd cause a tidal wave which would sweep over the >entire United States. > >Or maybe not. > >But it's not worth losing sleep over. > >I'm not really trying to be too sarcastic, but I think your world-view >of what the net has become is anachronistic and the idea that some >project like ORBS is going to harass every open-relay in the world, >every workstation capable of forwarding mail for example, into >behaving better is at this point in time kinda like the Chinese >footstool tidal wave (is that from Dr Strangelove? whatever.) > >No, we need a legislative approach, with some technical support to >help increase the likelihood that spammers who break the law will get >caught. But first it has to be illegal, or else it's all for naught. > >Put it this way: I consider my house locked up even if I do have glass >windows, and even if glass is rather easy to break. > >If it were legal for a person of ill intent to break the glass to get >into my house to rob me the first approach would not in my mind be to >board up all the glass unless I really lived in some mad max anarchy. > >I'd first want to see it made illegal to break into my property. > >Then, with reasonable diligence, I can enjoy the sunshine and spend my >time and money on more important things than trying to engineer it so >it's impossible to break in. > >Or at least I can do the cost/benefit analysis from the situation >where it's illegal to break in, rather than just a stupid cat and >mouse game as we're currently playing with spammers most of the time. > > > The Walrus and the Carpenter > Were walking close at hand; > They wept like anything to see > Such quantities of sand: > "If this were only cleared away," > They said, "It would be grand!" > > "If seven maids with seven mops > Swept for half a year, > Do you suppose," the walrus said, > "That they could get it clear?" > "I doubt it," said the Carpenter, > And shed a bitter tear. > > >-- > -Barry Shein > >Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.TheWorld.com >Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD >The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo* --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Open IP Directed Broadcast List... (fwd)
by Alan Brown 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

For those not on Bugtraq. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:59:37 -0400 From: dies <dies(a)PULLTHEPLUG.COM> To: BUGTRAQ(a)SECURITYFOCUS.COM Subject: Open IP Directed Broadcast List... Well, I've rescanned the Internet. I've chosen to scan down to /27 subnets this time. My new list of open broadcasts is available at.... http://www.pulltheplug.com If you are an ISP or work for one, PLEASE VISIT THIS SITE AND CHECK FOR YOUR NETWORKS OR DOWNSTREAMS!! If there are no broadcasts to use, there are no broadcast based attacks! 125102 networks broken...I've posted the top 4000 amp sites this time around... As always I'm looking for help...If you think you can help out, email me. Enjoy --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 06 Aug '00

06 Aug '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just over 160 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. (The addresses aitken(a)voyager.co.nz and stevebar(a)ihug.co.nz have been removed. The users of those addresses are welcome to re-subscribe with addresses which work.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the Uniforum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in the first week of October. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spammers at NZNET: SPAM: Fwd: ClientTell Newsletter - Marketing Tips (fwd)
by Alan Brown 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

NZNET traces through CLIX, clienttell.com traces through netgate. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:56:13 -0400 Subject: SPAM: Fwd: ClientTell Newsletter - Marketing Tips Anyone (AB?) with insider knowledge of this yoyo <stephen(a)clienttell.com> in Kiwiland? He even had the balls to put his photo into the sig (and he's just as ugly as Rodent's better side....) and apparently is not even trying to hide who he is. We just got a few of these 23 Kb spewages in. and it looks like it's a continuing run. TGIF for the chickenboners - but this looks like professionalism - or a joe-job. TIA Paul whois -h whois.networksolutions.com clienttell.com ... Registrant: S R ANDREWS (CLIENTTELL-DOM) 4 Blakeborough Drive Forrest Hill Auckland, NZ 1310 NZ Domain Name: CLIENTTELL.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact: Andrews, Stephen (SA4085) stephen(a)NZNET.GEN.NZ NZNet Internet Services Limited Unit C1 - 5 Douglas Alexander Parade North Harbour Industrial Estate Auckland NZ +64 9 914 0058 (FAX) +64 9 914 0040 Record last updated on 07-Nov-1999. Record expires on 07-Nov-2001. Record created on 07-Nov-1999. Database last updated on 4-Aug-2000 14:26:02 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.CLIENTTELL.COM 203.167.232.54 NS2.NZNET.GEN.NZ 210.54.156.35 >X-Persona: <z-default-stormy> >Return-Path: <ezine(a)clienttell.com> >Received: from bo.nznet.gen.nz (bo.nznet.gen.nz [210.54.156.34]) > by eagle.reach.net (8.10.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e74NOQj04691; > Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:24:26 -0400 >X-Envelope-From: ezine(a)clienttell.com >Received: from localhost (roscoe.nznet.gen.nz [210.54.156.38]) > by bo.nznet.gen.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07978; > Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:12:25 +1200 >Message-Id: <200008042312.LAA07978(a)bo.nznet.gen.nz> >X-Sender: ezine(a)clienttell.com >From: Stephen Andrews <ezine(a)clienttell.com> >To: "ClientTells Free For All Links Site" <ezine(a)clienttell.com> >Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:12:02 +1200 >Subject: ClientTell Newsletter - Marketing Tips >Reply-To: ezine(a)clienttell.com >Organization: ClientTell Marketing >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001__8215413_40322.45" >Status: > [snip a bunch of html] >Article by Stephen Andrews is the owner of NZNET Internet Services Ltd (Since 1994), an Internet Service Provider based in New Zealand that specializes in Internet solutions for small to medium businesses. He is a qualified Electrical Engineer who has specialized in Telecommunication Systems. He has the concept that a business should be automated as much as possible to be competitive in todays marketplace. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mail flood from 202.46.160.18 (www-wlg.domainz.net.nz)
by Mark Seward 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

Just a heads up in case any other ISPs are seeing the same thing.. I've had to block inbound traffic from www-wlg.domainz.net.nz - the load average on our primary MX was at a nice healthy 97 thanks to an extremely large number of connections originating from this mail server. Thankfully, we were dropping it all on the floor because the sender domain doesn't exist (why not?): ruleset=check_mail, arg1=<4Service(a)wlg-iis.domainz.net.nz>, relay=www-wlg.domainz.net.nz [202.46.160.18], reject=501 5.1.8 <4Service(a)wlg-iis.domainz.net.nz>... Domain of sender address 4Service(a)wlg-iis.domainz.net.nz does not exist Domainz, please investigate and explain. I suspect whatever caused this will have left a large amount of mail queued on 202.46.160.18 waiting to be sent on. Regards, - -- Mark Seward [ Network Operations Manager ] Paradise Net Telstra Saturn Limited Phone: 0800 467272 Fax: 0800 367200 Email: <mds(a)tsnz.net> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Heads-up: Kiwi spammer looking for a new home (fwd)
by Alan Brown 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

Terminated off 2day.com last night (25 domains) Apparently it's their second offence. === Domain Name: ESCAPEADV.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Etherington, John (JEF127) john(a)ESCAPEADVENTURES.CO.NZ Escape Adventures PO Box 3046 Richmond, 7001 NZ +6425 2307442 (FAX) +648 3261 610 AB ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:55:02 +0100 From: Malcolm Pack <spam-l(a)POTNOODLE.NET> Reply-To: SPAM-L(a)PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM To: SPAM-L(a)PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM Subject: SPAM: "Escape" NZ insertion and web host, opt-out spam (QP "fixed" by me). | Return-Path: <info(a)escapeadv.com> | Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by smtpserver.homeip.net with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.1.4.1130) | id SMTP1771244673; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:29:22 +0100 | Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore | id 965211792:20:05619:2; | Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:23:12 GMT | Received: from [212.111.39.44] ([212.111.39.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net | id aa2124442; 2 Aug 2000 10:23 GMT | Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.15]) | by pegasus.net90.co.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e72AP1O17606; | Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:25:03 +0100 | Received: from xtr65014501 ([203.96.109.92]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz | (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP | id <20000802102718.OCZW1941812.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz(a)xtr65014501>; | Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:27:18 +1200 | Reply-To: <info(a)escapeadv.com> | From: "Escape Adventures" <info(a)escapeadv.com> | To: <info(a)escapeadv.com> | Subject: "Escape" | Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:37:11 +1200 | Message-ID: <LPBBKLKAGNJIILLBOLBNIEANCEAA.info(a)escapeadv.com> | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; | charset="Windows-1252" | X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by pegasus.net90.co.uk id e72AP1O17606 | X-Hops: 2 | | Need a break from IT pressures?. | | How about Mountain biking and Cycling in Kenya, Trekking on Kilimanjaro and | Mt Kenya, Rafting the White Nile in Uganda or Biking and Seakayaking in New | Zealand. | | ESCAPE ADVENTURES www.escapeadv.com , | Multi-Activity Adventures in Africa and New Zealand from 2-3 weeks. | | "Late booking special, 15% discount. 26th August departure, Biking in Kenya, | Trek Kilimanjaro, Gameparks and Zanzibar, 3 weeks". | | ESCAPE ADVENTURES | UK, PO Box 19598 London, SW11 1GA. Ph 020 7801 9516. | NZ, PO Box 3046, Richmond, Nelson. Ph +64 3 5489929. | USA, 181 Mt Owen Drive, Driggs, ID 83422.Ph 208 354 0967. | WWW.ESCAPEADV.COM or info(a)escapeadv.com | | | If you would like to be removed from our database please reply with "Remove" | in subject line. Most annoying is that this was harvested from one of Jobserve or Jobsite, UK recruitment listings services, of which I am a member as I am currently seeking work. The idea of a NZ escape adventure is truly tempting. Certainly worth spending my dole-money on... LARTS to abuse(a)xtra.co.nz, postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz with a comment to the effect that "opt-out = spam". -- Malcolm Pack --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Hi! Let's be friend?
by nurul＠excite.com 31 Jul '00

31 Jul '00

Hi, I am Nurul, 17, from Malaysia. From a search, I got your email from your homepage. Want to be friend? I just joined asiadragons efriend to make some new friends. Sign up is free and you can sign up too: http://friend.asiadragons.com/cgi-bin/refsign.pl?refuid=nurul Ok, I make some friends and $ lah :) So, sign up ok? And about me..... http://friend.asiadragons.com/cgi-bin/mdets.pl?uid=nurul After you join in, just write to me ok? Bye. from, Nurul Hisham --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra blacklisted by ORBS
by Paul Montgomery 28 Jul '00

28 Jul '00

Those predictions made by Alan Brown more than a month ago have turned out to be true. The following is forwarded from an Australian mailing list. Ben Elliston <bje(a)redhat.com> wrote: > This morning every IP address in my home network was blacklisted in > ORBS. Upon investigation, I discovered this in the orbs.org name > server: > > 233.38.24.203.relays.orbs.org. 20h54m17s IN TXT "Telstra - spam > haveners, refusing to act. " > > Because my ISP is a customer of Telstra Internet, my entire network > has been blacklisted. As best as I can tell _all_ networks downstream > from Telstra Internet have been blacklisted in ORBS. I have contacted > ORBS and the blacklists will remain in place until the spamming > activity originating from Telstra Internet ceases. Until then, I > cannot send email to company mailing lists. There's something wrong > with this picture. -- Paul Montgomery, CEO @ AusBONE, the ISP peering co-operative. Land: not yet Mobile: 0410 622 589 mailto:monty(a)ausbone.net --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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whois.radb.net: transition to RPSL from RIPE-181
by Chris Wedgwood 26 Jul '00

26 Jul '00

I guess most people who use whois.radb.net have already received this notification, but for those who haven't... --cw This RIPE-181 version of the database WILL BE DECOMMISSIONED on August 7, 2000, and all customer sites need to transition to the new RPSL database. Please forward this message to the appropriate staff in your organization responsible for routing policy. On 11/1/99, at 12:01:00 a.m., the default RADB database converted to RPSL. The new RPSL database server is available at: whois.radb.net 198.108.0.18 The old (and now deprecated) address was: whois-ripe181.radb.net 198.108.0.11 If you have comments or questions about the transition to RPSL, please see our Web page: http://www.radb.net Or send email to db-admin(a)radb.net. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Hello from AusBONE
by Paul Montgomery 24 Jul '00

24 Jul '00

My name is Paul Montgomery, and I am the CEO of AusBONE, which is a peering organisation in Australia (don't worry, this is not a spam). I've been watching progress at APE, WIX and NZIX with interest, since we are doing similar things in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide. I'll be lurking on this list in future, but I thought I should say hello. One of AusBONE's main activities has been to link up interstate peering exchanges within Australia. The possibility exists to connect NZ with Australia in this network, but I'm not sure about how affordable this can be. Trans-Tasman tails are cost-prohibitive, as I'm sure I don't need to tell you. If any of you have thought about this and have come up with any workable ideas, I'd love to hear from you. Also, I've put up a page on our site listing peering activities in NZ and Asia - "peer review" of this document would be appreciated. http://www.ausbone.net/apac.htm -- Paul Montgomery, CEO @ AusBONE, the ISP peering co-operative. Land: not yet Mobile: 0410 622 589 mailto:monty(a)ausbone.net --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anybody know GCS?
by Juha Saarinen 22 Jul '00

22 Jul '00

Got another one of the Sterling Casino Lines blah blah blah Florida cruises spams from Abac.com, but this time the spamvertised site seems to belong to a NZer: http://134.251.52.240/yzvfr275kx/cruise domain: gcs.co.nz admin-c: GCS Hostmaster tech-c: Gcs Hostmaster nserver: ns1.gcs.co.nz nserver: ns2.gcs.co.nz remarks: domain_datecreated: 28/10/98 remarks: holder_name: GCS Ltd. remarks: domain_name_status: 01 Current remarks: registrar: UNALLOCATED changed: postmaster(a)gcs.co.nz 19991009 source: AUTOMAGIC person: GCS Hostmaster address: Wang House,195-201 Willis Street, address: WELLINGTON, phone: +64 4 385 3399 fax-no: +64 4 385 3399 e-mail: gcs(a)dns-support.net changed: postmaster(a)gcs.co.nz 19991009 source: AUTOMAGIC person: Gcs Hostmaster address: Wang House 195-201 Willis St address: Wellington NEW ZEALAND phone: +64 4 385 3399 fax-no: +64 4 385 3399 e-mail: gcs(a)dns-support.net changed: postmaster(a)gcs.co.nz 19991009 source: AUTOMAGIC Seems to be the same as vrmark123.net and AFAICT hangs off uunet.ca with DNS by robust.net. Anybody know who GCS is/are? -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: 79E9 87B0 2A5C 335C E9CB E6BD 9AE6 8AA0 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[OT] [spam] Vodafone SIM For Sale
by Joe Abley 19 Jul '00

19 Jul '00

Hi, As part of my last-minute, poorly-planned departure from New Zealand, I have a Vodafone contract to give away. There are 30 months remaining on the current contract, which is attached to the Daytime 400 plan ($190/month, 400 free minutes any time). The contract can be changed to any other Daytime plan, e.g. Daytime 40 ($35.51/month, 40 free minutes) with no additional fees. I'll even throw in a lovely yellow Alcatel one-touch-easy handset, at no additional cost. So, if anybody was already planning to buy an after-hours support phone and fancies knocking twelve months off the contract, drop me a line -- we can just sign the contract over. You might want to change the number, of course :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Reason 0xFF not to run your system on NT -Reply
by Donald Neal 19 Jul '00

19 Jul '00

>>> "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)automagic.org> 19/July/2000 10:59pm >>> >I was just poking the accusatory finger of fun at Domainz, and >making suggestive comments about mysterious goings-on within the >Department of Testing and Registry Maintenance at Glazier. >Think of any incidental swipe at Microsoft as icing on the cake. >Gravy on the poutine, if you will. Joe then departs for his evening's curling ... - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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multi-mode GBICs
by Chris Wedgwood 19 Jul '00

19 Jul '00

Anyone out there got a couple of multi-mode GBICs lying about doing nothing? --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Reason 0xFF not to run your system on NT
by Matt Camp 18 Jul '00

18 Jul '00

Just occured when trying to update my nameserver records on domainz's new site: ---------------------------------------------- Confirmation Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14' [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Too many arguments were supplied for procedure sp_sys_email. /facility/register/ssl/Wizard.asp, line 2424 ----------------------------------------- Good one guys. The term 'Wizard.asp' really worries me here... i'm getting visions of talking paperclips. --- Matt Camp Head Geek Mercury Telecommunications --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Yay! Go NSI.
by Joe Abley 18 Jul '00

18 Jul '00

The world is full of people pretending to be registrars! jabley(a)splatter[132]$ whois -h whois.networksolutions.com sidekick.com The Data in Network Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network Solutions for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Network Solutions does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this Data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this Data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail (spam); or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Network Solutions (or its systems). Network Solutions reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy. Sorry, you shouldn't see this record. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: MBone - progress?
by Ted Grenfell 17 Jul '00

17 Jul '00

At 08:03 17/07/00, James Tyson wrote: >I have heard some pretty interesting talk out of the boys at Ihug and Xtra >might be able to come up with some content too. What sort of content is coming from Xtra James? -- Ted Grenfell Xtra ISP Performance Manager Mob 025 435 455; DDI 09 359 5854; Fax 09 355 5283 Level 12, Telecom Tower, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Bugger
by Michael Newbery 17 Jul '00

17 Jul '00

>From one of our Cisco Catalyst 2926 switches. Module 2 Log: Reset Count: 5 Reset History: Fri Jul 14 2000, 14:45:35 Tue Feb 17 1998, 16:26:26 Tue Feb 17 1998, 15:49:04 Mon Feb 16 1998, 19:43:13 SIgh. A UPS does you no good if someone removes power to the whole Comms rack. (And no, it wasn't me). I was really proud of the uptime on that switch too. Not only that, it appears to have fried one of the ports (won't enable, says it is 'faulty'). Longest lunar eclipse for 1ky, intense solar storm, what next I wonder...? -- Michael Newbery IP/IT Research Telstra Saturn "We were taken to our hotel which was called 'Demolition by Kirkpatrick & Sons'" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Open Broadcast Amplifier networks list.
by Lin Nah 16 Jul '00

16 Jul '00

Simon was too lazy to post this so I was delegated the task... Below is a copy of Simon's post to NANOG. I decided we need to post it here as there's a few lines starting with AS476x which might be of interest to certain NZNOGers. 8) Lin Simon's post to NANOG In the last couple of days I have gone though the Smurf Amplifier Registry at http://www.powertech.no/smurf/ and checked which ASNs are currently advertising the networks listed there. My listing by ASN is on my web page at: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/2000/0712.txt Please check this list for your own (and your peers/downstreams/friends) ASN and fix. You should then goto the Powertech site and check from there, if there is no problem then the Smurf Amplifier Registry will delete you from their list. I have already emailed the top 10 ASNs but I don't have a nice easy way to email the other 1000 so I have decided here would be the best start. Depending on how things go I might check again in about a month. Disclaimer 1: There are a few bugs in the data, ( I know /159s don't exist) Disclaimer 2: I didn't scan the networks, I just took the existing list and looked them up. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Wanter: NPM-4T or 2T
by J S Russell 10 Jul '00

10 Jul '00

This is going to seem like a silly question, but does anyone out there have (or know someone who has) a spare NPM-4T or 2T serial module for Cisco 4xxx series routers? I require one (personally, not for IHUG, or I'd just go buy one) but there are bugger-all of them on Ebay and none in the collections of anyone I know personally. I will happily pay minor to moderate $$$s for one, or swap it for (looks in collection) a working Cisco IGS-R router/bridge, and/or various other bits of junk. Please drop me an e-mail if you can help out. JSR -- John S Russell, IHUG Engineering Manager "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive. But lightning does all the work." - Mark Twain --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: Re: SPAM: Telstra are Shining on MAPS! (fwd)]
by Phill Groom 10 Jul '00

10 Jul '00

G'day all, I have steadfastly resisted publicly replying to Alan's comments about me on IRC and NZNOG in the past, however I feel that this latest occurrence rates mention. I have attached below the email that prompted Alan's recent post to NZNOG. I am sure that most will agree that Alan was only doing the responsible thing in fore warning us that another carriers netblock was about to be nominated for RBL, and if this one occurrence is taken in isolation then you could say that I was over reacting. This is not the case. Despite my repeated assurances that I have absolutely no influence, involvement or control over the networks and customers of Telstra Corporation Ltd (AS1221) I have continued to receive spam abuse mail from Alan. Alan has also repeatedly associated both myself and Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd with his ongoing dispute with Telstra Corp. in the public forum. Where I have received mail from Alan about those networks that I do have some influence over I have always endeavored to action them. Hopefully this post will make others aware of my position on this matter. I will leave the last word to Alan and his supporters, as I am sure that they will have more to say! Regards, Phill. Note that the thoughts related in this post are entirely my own. My employer has never blocked or null routed any networks or mail from anyone or any devices associated with orbs.org . -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz -------- Original Message -------- Alan, You know from previous emails I have sent you that I support your anti-spam aims, even if I don't agree with the way that you try to achieve it. You also know from the many emails I have sent you, that I do not have any involvement with the networks or customers of Telstra Corporation Limited (AS1221). I have repeatedly asked you to stop sending me email complaining about spam or open relays originating from within those networks directly connected to Telstra Corporation Ltd (AS1221). In the past I have read every email you have sent me, and I have forwarded copies to those that I thought may be able to address the issues you have raised. I have also done my best to ensure that the networks directly connected to Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd do not host open mail relays. As far as I can see, I was the one person within both organisations most receptive to your aims and the one person most likely to achieve something for you. As of this last SPAM email from you, this has all changed. I will no longer be reading any mail from yourself or from <anything>@orbs.org . I request that you remove pgroom(a)telstra.net and pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz from any mailing lists maintained by yourself directly or by anyone else at orbs.org. :0: * ^From: alan(a)manawatu.gen.nz /dev/null :0: * ^From: database(a)orbs.org /dev/null Regards, Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz Alan Brown wrote: > <yet another complaint about a network I have nothing to do with> --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra AU headed back into MAPS RBL.
by Alan Brown 10 Jul '00

10 Jul '00

It's been widely confirmed that the new AUP has been simply created to shine MAPS on. Anyone buying bandwidth from Telstra/Saturn in NZ had better make sure that they're not in the main APNIC allocated Telstra /13, or they may find themselves caught up in the middle of it. Phil Groom's reaction to a heads up has been to play Ostrich . Nice to see the corporate culture showing though clearly. -- How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html ORBS - it's not just for filters. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 06 Jul '00

06 Jul '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just over 150 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the Uniforum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in the first week of October. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Looking for recommendations
by Tech Support 06 Jul '00

06 Jul '00

Seeking some opinions here, and hoping to draw on the collected wisdom of NZNOG ;). We are looking at finding a different registry for GTLDs. Currently we are using Network Solutions (their motto: "Send us a detailed e-mail explaining the issue and how our FAQ doesn't cover it, and we'll refer you to the FAQ!"), but are looking for somewhere where the service is a little bit better (ie exists). Leading options so far seems to be OpenSRS or INA, but we are open to suggestions. At the moment we are not processing a huge volume of these, but we are expecting this to increase. Ideally we want a fair price, fairly prompt service, good support, and the ability to run an account (or some form of pre-purchase) Please let us know who you've found do a good job and feel you can recommend. Many thanks in advance, Peter Gray Netlink Tech Support E-mail: tech-support(a)netlink.net.nz Phone: 0800 655 465 Fax: 04 922 8401 Website: www.netlink.net.nz PO Box 5358, Wellington, New Zealand "Smile," they said "things could be worse!" So I smiled, and things were worse.... --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Vertuacom
by Alan Brown 06 Jul '00

06 Jul '00

FWIW, MX records show vertuacom.com to be hosted by Paradise and whois lookups match what Simon Lyall's already posted: Registrant: Julian Angelo (VERTUACOM-DOM) 58 CAMPBELL AVE PARAPARAUMU WELLINGTON, WGTN 000000 NZ Domain Name: VERTUACOM.COM Billing Contact: Julian, Angelo (AJN83) julian.a(a)PARADISE.NET.NZ 58 CAMPBELL AVE PARAPARAUMU Wellington, WGTN 000000 NZ +64 4 9041186 Record last updated on 31-Jan-2000. Record expires on 31-Jan-2001. Record created on 31-Jan-2000. Database last updated on 5-Jul-2000 20:51:56 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: RACHEL.PARADISE.NET.NZ 203.96.152.4 KIRSTY.PARADISE.NET.NZ 203.96.152.12 Phil, it would be a good idea to arrange a visit frm the Orbital Anvil Delivery System. The Brazilian site used for the last spam run appears to be an open relay at first glance (it accepts all test messages), but isn't. According to the Brazilian antispam team (antispam.org.br), it may well be a spam haven, based on domain names in the same netblock. They're working with BRnic to try and find out more. AB -- How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html ORBS - it's not just for filters. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spammer - Vertuacom (back again)
by Simon Lyall 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

Please make sure you warn your accounts people about this guy. This is at least his 4th ISP. I have the name of the police contact for this person somewhere if people want to contact me directly. I'll hunt out my old files on this guy tomorrow. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz Return-Path: <seebelow(a)belowtext.com> Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 1718 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2000 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from mx1-1.ihug.co.nz (HELO mx1.ihug.co.nz) (203.29.168.196) by kate.ihug.co.nz with SMTP; 4 Jul 2000 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from mq1tmp.compass.net.nz [203.97.100.70] by mx1.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 139XPc-0006xL-00; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:27:12 +1200 Received: from 210.249.108.18 (IP203-97-103-17.compass.net.nz [203.97.103.17]) by mq1tmp.compass.net.nz (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA15871; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:28:37 +1200 From: seebelow(a)belowtext.com Message-Id: <200007041828.GAA15871(a)mq1tmp.compass.net.nz> To: Subject: , Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:26:58 +1200 X-Sender: seebelow(a)belowtext.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Quotation of the day: "Why not go out on a limb? Isn't that where the fruit is?" -- Frank Scully July 5 2000 Vertuacom New Zealand E-mail vertua(a)post.com PO Box 1724 Paraparumu Beach Ph 04 298 3452 Fax 04 298 3452 Good morning, We supply the most effective marketing tool available today for use in any type of business; this is bulk electronic direct mail. Never before has any company or organization been able to communicate so fast and accurately to any given group of people. Electronic mail is the method of communication of the future that is here now. Our latest technology lets us send 000's of pieces of mail to a targeted audience in seconds. Targeted Direct Email is the most powerful and least expensive method of both online and off-line advertising available. It works, to give your company massive instant exposure thus producing a fast response (sales). Vertuacom has become known as the leader in website and product promotion. By utilizing the power of targeted direct mail we produce results for our clients that are nothing short of excellent. There is so much power in direct electronic mail, it enables you to advertise to a group of people of your choice i.e. you choose who you target market is. Vertuacom in no way supports the bad practice of spamming; we stand for responsible direct mail i.e. mails targeted towards a select group. Many businesses and corporations have been put off using e-mail as a marketing tool, as spammers have tarnished its image. Many irresponsible bulk mailers have sent out large amounts of mail to people whom they know nothing about. These companies have not tried to mail to those who would have any interest in their products or services, but have merely sent there mailings out blindly. Also hyped up bogus offers and pornography have given people a bad image of the direct mail industry. Every piece of mail we send out is given the option of being removed from our database, as we have done in this mailing to you, at the bottom of the page see removal instructions. This is called responsible Direct mail. Our business comprises of three parts: 1. Electronic mail address collection: Our collection is one of the largest in the world; currently we hold over 25 million addresses. We maintain databases of addresses that are all current and are mailer friendly. Through Vertuacom you are able to access over ten thousand different categories of addresses. Try Us to see if we have a database of the industry that you would like to market your products/services in. We are also able to supply you with the name of the person who owns each e-mail address, Thus making it easy to personalize mailings e.g. Dear Jan as you are in the food industry, you may very well find this... could profit your business. Addresses are categorized according to user type and in most case country e.g. Universities in Australia. Many groups of addresses can also be broken down into smaller groups e.g. the engineering departments within Universities in Australia. Our costs are set at very competitive rates. Addresses ranges from 50 cents to 8 cents, depending on quantity and user type. Please contact us for further pricing. 1.a We currently have a collection of nearer 100,000 addresses for New Zealand. This is good if you want to broadcast your product or service to a New Zealand audience only. 2. Finding service This is a totally unique service where we hunt down specific types of addresses required. If we are not holding a certain category of addresses that you require we will endeavor to create a database of that particular category for you. 3. Sending service Yes we will send mail for you. There are no limits to the quantity. Prices to send mail range from 20 cents to 8 depending on quantity. Please contact us for a quote. Some basic facts about bulk mailing. What is bulk emailing? Simply stated, bulk emailing is an innovative and cost effective way to market your product and/or service on the Internet to thousands of potential customers. When done correctly, bulk email can boost your profits and sales like you never imagined. Millions of people get on the Internet to look for specific information. It's the perfect place to send advertisements, sales letters or other useful information to potential customers. Is bulk email profitable? Yes. On a cost per sale basis, bulk email pulls in more orders than any other advertising method. In dollars and cents, why is bulk email so profitable? Compare the costs associated with the most commonly used direct advertising methods. These are: Direct Mail Fax Broadcasting Bulk Email Lets say you decided to mail just 1000 sales letters to a list of prospects via these 3 methods listed above. Keep in mind that in the examples listed below we will be conservative. Most businesses test and start their campaigns at no less than 5000 advertisements. 1000 Piece Direct Mail Campaign: A 1000 piece direct mailing will cost approximately $640. - Postage: $320 - Mailing List: $80 - Envelopes: $40 - Printing: $100 - Envelope Stuffing: $100 Total Costs: $640 The negative aspects of this is: 1. The cost 2.The-turnaround time involved can take weeks. Printing, putting in envelopes and delivery is not an immediate process. 1000 Piece Fax Broadcasting Campaign: An average cost of what company's charge for this service is. - Total Cost: $300 Wasting paper can anger people. 1000 Piece E-mail Campaign: Approximately $170 (average figure) Your turnaround time varies because people read their email at different hours of the day. But the industry standard is form a few hours to 2 days. This is why many Corporations and businesses are turning to Targeted Bulk Electronic Mailing. Not only does bulk email cancel the long turnaround time of most traditional advertising methods, but it almost eliminates most of your advertising expenses. Is bulk email illegal? Currently, there are no laws against sending bulk email. Many well-known companies are profiting from bulk email right now. Companies viewpoints/success with direct mail. "America Online's own product pitches, made to customers as they sign on, are phenomenally successful. They are the profit driver for the company." *Greg Shove, V.P. of America Online "A gold mine for those who can take advantage of bulk email programs." *The New York Times "Email is an incredible lead generation tool." *Crains Magazine "Apart from creating a web page for your company, there's another method of online advertising that has powerful potential. I'm speaking of bulk email, a method of targeting appropriate online readers by the thousands or even millions. And with a simple click of the mouse, you can send them your marketing letter instantly." *Entrepreneur Magazine "Blows traditional marketing away." *Advertising Age "It's truly arrived. Email is the killer app so far in the online world." On balance Direct Electronic Mail is the Superior marketing tool as it produces an almost immediate response, the results are easily measurable, it is cost effective and unlike few other mediums of advertising you are able to target your audience thus keeping costs down. I look forward to your response. Kind Regards Julian Vertuacom marketing Manager To be included in our regular mailing list please reply to vertua(a)post.com and type include in the subject line To be removed reply to vertua(a)post.com and type remove in the subject line --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom outage
by Phill Groom 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

G'day again, Apparently there is a Telecom fiber cut in the Murchison area. They have advised us that worst case would be a fix by 8PM tonight. Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Possible Telecom outage
by Phill Groom 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

G'day all, You may like to know that Telecom have advised that they have 3 x 140Meg bearers down on the South Island westcoast affecting many thousands of their customers in Nelson, Greymouth etc. We were advised that this outage started at about 10:42 today. We have not been given an ETR by Telecom. Regards, Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra Saturn to pull out of NZIX
by jabley＠netlink.net.nz 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

Telstra Saturn have been considering the future of their presence at NZIX for some time, and the decision has now been made to stop peering with other networks over that exchange. Telstra Saturn has broadband access to other large provider networks over the APE and WIX, and these newer exchanges are currently where the vast majority of peering traffic between Telstra Saturn and other networks is being carried. Private inter-provider circuits also carry peering traffic in Auckland and Wellington. The simplification of traffic management accommodated by this change should improve performance from Telstra Saturn to other networks. However, we are happy to manage the transition in conjunction with other operators to ensure that the change is made smoothly -- please contact me directly if your organisation has any specific requirements in this regard. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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faxes
by Simon Lyall 02 Jul '00

02 Jul '00

Okay, weird question of the day, slightly off topic. Is anyone else getting corrupt faxes for "Telecom Network Planned Outage Advice" fax outs (ie when they are operating on circuits). The last 2 or 3 have been very unreadable down the left hand side but no other faxes they we get have been (and I've run a few test ones). yes/no ? -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contact details.
by Simon Lyall 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

A while (actually 12 months) ago there was a discussion about having a list of contact details of ISP/other Nocs for emergency or other (ie setting up peering) reasons. Are people still interested in setting this up? Even if not I would advise people to get on the list (and keep a bookmark) at: http://puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.cgi which lists most of the larger providers. Just go to http://puck.nether.net/netops/admin.html to add yourself. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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whois & 'person' objects
by Chris Wedgwood 26 Jun '00

26 Jun '00

Silly question perhaps, but one that I've not been able to find an answer to: Now that NSI has competitors, how does one lookup 'contact' objects via whois? I've tried various whois clients to see if there is some magic incarnation, but alas, none of them seem to support this. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [isocnz-l]ORBS
by Juha Saarinen 25 Jun '00

25 Jun '00

So, can we expect an official press release on AOL and UUNET teaming up with ORBS? I'd like to write something about. I'll contact AOL and UUNET of course for official comment, but would like to hear from you as well. And apologies for posting this to ISOCNZ-L instead of NZNOG as I intended to. -- Juha %-> -----Original Message----- %-> From: isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz %-> [mailto:isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz]On Behalf Of Alan Brown %-> Sent: Sunday, 25 June 2000 6:56 p.m. %-> To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz %-> Subject: RE: [isocnz-l]ORBS %-> %-> %-> On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Juha Saarinen wrote: %-> %-> > So UUNET NL is cooperating with you in running the ORBS tester? %-> %-> So is America Online. %-> %-> AB %-> -- %-> How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html %-> ORBS - it's not just for filters. %-> %-> %-> _______________________________________________________ %-> isocnz-l is an open mailing list created for the discussion of %-> issues relevant to the Internet community in New Zealand. Views %-> expressed are not necessarily the views of ISOCNZ. %-> _____________________________________________ %-> %-> go to http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-l %-> for subscription/unsubscription information. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone recommend a skilled JRun/apache guru?
by Craig Reynolds 15 Jun '00

15 Jun '00

Hi, I find myself in need of a guru in all things JRun/Apache based. However, trolling through the long lists of web people that I know, no-one wants to touch this stuff. Does anyone have knowledge of a suitable person or company? Regards, Craig -- Craig Reynolds Phone: +64-4-9395234 Systems Engineer Fax: +64-4-9395220 Chello Broadband Mobile:+64-21-2222423 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Want to peer? baby yeah!
by Simon Blake 13 Jun '00

13 Jun '00

Hi Mark On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Mark Seward wrote: > Hi Simon, > > I've just set up peering with 202.7.0.2.. > > Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ Up/Down State/PfxRcd > 202.7.0.2 4 9439 243 151 1764243 0 0 01:12:55 180 > 202.7.0.3 4 9439 317993 218560 1764243 0 0 1d21h 579 > > Should the number of prefixes on each be that different? In theory, no, but in practice, yes, since not everybody is peering with the second route server yet, so it's not receiving and redistributing all the same prefixes that the older route server is. Other than having identical configs, the two route servers are completely independant - they don't peer with each other as there seemed little point in taking routes from the old RS to the new RS when the whole point of this is to provide some security again failure in either RS. So give it time, I'd expect the number of prefixes to tend toward equivalence as more people peer with both. Ideally, I'd like to get everybody peering with both RS by the end of the month, as around about then Citylink is moving machine rooms, and with two route servers we can provide continuity of service even while one of them is in the back of my car :-). At the same time, one of the route servers will move to some other point on Citylink, to provide some geographical diversity. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Want to peer? baby yeah!
by James Tyson 13 Jun '00

13 Jun '00

I have put aside most of today for streamlining the BGP peering arrangements Xtra has at WIX in wellington. If anyone else is interested in setting up direct peering over WIX today then please email on james.tyson(a)team.xtra.co.nz today. Cheers. - James Tyson --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APE/WIX Peering
by James Tyson 13 Jun '00

13 Jun '00

Has anyone bothered to set up an RADB for use by APE and WIX connected ISP's? I think this would be a really good idea, coz I hate having to email people whenever we add networks or whatever. Mmkay. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domestic BGP Peering Maillinglist.
by James Tyson 12 Jun '00

12 Jun '00

Hey, does anyone know if there is currently an email list for domestic peering discussion and prefix-list updates, that sort of thing? If not, is it a good idea for me to set one up, or shall we just use nznog? Yup yup yup. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Public Free DNS Server
by Leon Toh 12 Jun '00

12 Jun '00

Hi I'm looking for free public DNS server to be allow configuration of a secondary DNS. Does anyone know any of this services available locally for NZ and Australia. Thanks. Leon --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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mail problems at clear?
by Simon Blake 10 Jun '00

10 Jun '00

Afternoon all. Just by way of a change on nznog, I thought I'd ask an operational question :-). Anybody know if there's weirdness going on at Clear? turtle:~$ telnet mx1.clear.net.nz 25 Trying 203.97.33.11... <insert long pause here> ^C turtle:~$ telnet mx2.clear.net.nz 25 Trying 203.97.37.11... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused Similar behaviour from machines on Netlink, ICONZ, Paradise and Clear connections. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: mail problems at clear?
by Ben Martel 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

Hi all, Yep - there was a problem with mx[12].clear.net.nz. This has been resolved and everything should be working just fine! Thanks for being patient. Ben >Connected to mx1. >Escape character is '^]'. >220 mx1.clear.net.nz ESMTP CLEAR Net Mail 1.5/1.30; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:40:11 +1200 (NZST) >quit >221 mx1.clear.net.nz closing connection --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RBL process underway again on Telstra Australia.
by Alan Brown 07 Jun '00

07 Jun '00

Another heads-up. Telstra Aus mnanaged to stave off RBL entries for a period by claiming to be producing a new AUP. That AUP officially went live on May 27th, but Telstra are still unresponsive to complaints. As a result, I'm advised that RBL procedures are now rolling again - and as they have shown "shining on" practices, will be given little leeway in future. Anyone with netblocks allocated through AUNIC/Telstra Aus may well be adversely affected by this, even if they're in New Zealand. Be warned. AB -- How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html ORBS - it's not just for filters. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: more than 4 nameservers for a domain
by Mark Davies 04 Jun '00

04 Jun '00

From: Craig Anderson <craig(a)abstract.co.nz> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:31:46 +1200 (NZT) > NSI allows up to 13 nameservers. Also you have to wonder if the web interface only allows 4 nameservers and the mail template or approved agent or whatever allows 6 why does the whois output always list 10 (most of which, obviously, are empty) mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: more than 4 nameservers for a domain
by Craig Anderson 03 Jun '00

03 Jun '00

Hi. > Consider also, for TLDs (and popular domains which have many > subdomains) where many many requests are made, you want many many > name-servers as many (most?) caching name-servers will work out which > name-servers respond the quickest and bias requests towards them. NSI allows up to 13 nameservers. -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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more than 4 nameservers for a domain
by Joe Abley 03 Jun '00

03 Jun '00

The Domainz web interface only lets you specify four authoritative nameservers for a domain; the e-mail interface lets you specify six. The e-mail interface is only available to agentstrars. POB has confirmed that this is the intended design, and is not a bug. Can anybody confirm what happens if a domain has six nameservers loaded by an agentstrar using the e-mail template, and is subsequently edited by the nameholder using the web interface? Are all six nameservers preserved? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Outcome of the ICAIS Consultation and the APEC TELMIN4 Conference (sorry, but its long)
by Frank March 01 Jun '00

01 Jun '00

Report to NZNOG and ISOCNZ-Members This is a report back to these lists on the position taken by New Zealand at the APEC TELMIN conference in Cancun and outcomes from the conference. But first: as previously noted, the feedback from members of these lists has been very helpful in informing a NZ Government view. However, as a member of the NZNOG list has pointed out to me, despite the suitability for this type of discussion over a beer, the matters are somewhat off-topic for NZNOG. The Ministry of Economic Development wishes to undertake further consultation leading up to an ITU-T meeting and the next APEC TEL meeting in September. I will continue to send consultation material to the isocnz-members list. Subscribers to the NZNOG list who wish to continue to be involved should email me direct. I will assume that anyone responding to the previous round will wish to continue to be involved (unless you tell me otherwise ;) There has been some publicity from Australia and the US about the outcome of this conference which may have created some confusion as they tend to express alternative views on the outcome achieved. I have appended below a copy of a media release from the Acting Minister of Communications which gives the NZ perspective on the outcome. It should be apparent that the matter is not going to just fade away and we believe that the NZ government will need to continue to be actively engaged in the debate. The stance adopted by NZ at Cancun was as follows: <quote> (i) in principle, the costs of international circuits should be shared in proportion to the benefits. We are, however, unsure of the best way of assessing those benefits, and of whether there is a more efficient way of developing cost-sharing arrangements than commercial negotiations between interested parties, ie whether the benefits of government interventions to mandate particular cost-sharing formulae would exceed transaction and other costs; (ii) recommendations on specific international charging arrangements for Internet services are premature; (iii) in any case, recommendations in this area are more properly a matter for the ITU, not APEC. As the World Telecommunications Standardisation Conference is in October 2000, this would give more time for the consideration of issues such as the implications of voice over Internet; (iv) APEC principles could be a useful means of helping to clarify thinking on the issue, particularly if they emphasise the role of the private sector. We see the draft recommendations in the report as a useful basis for consideration; (v) recommendations for further TEL work are appropriate; and (vi) New Zealand will be in a better position to have considered the issue more fully by the time of the ITU World Telecommunications Standardisation Conference in October. </quote> Note that the position reflects economic orthodoxy ("in principle, the costs of international circuits should be shared in proportion to the benefits") but recognises the difficulty of achieving this. This is a fair summary of the feedback received, which covered both points. The recognition of the ITU's role in the issue was based on further feedback from the industry and reflects work done by a NZ private sector representative in that forum as well as recognition that if any regulatory regime were to be formulated promulgation would have to be through the ITU as APEC does not have this function and, in any case, it is not just an issue for APEC economies. The output documents from the Cancun meeting are something of a compromise reflecting the difficulty in finding positions that the two 'sides' could agree to. It was agreed that 'equitable cost sharing' did not necessarily mean 50/50 and it was acknowledged that the benefits arising from Internet traffic are hard to determine. The outcome from Cancun was as follows: <quote> Ministers also adopt the International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services attached as Annex B. Ministers also reaffirm the importance of cost-sharing or other mutually-beneficial arrangements for the region as a whole. </quote> In the Annex B, the key paragraph reads as follows: <quote> Internet charging arrangements between providers of network services should be commercially negotiated and, among other issues, reflect: a) the contribution of each network to the communications; b) the use by each party of the interconnected network resources; and c) the end to end costs of international transport link capacity. </quote> A longer statement was contained in the Programme of Action agreed by Ministers for the Telecommunications Working Group for the next 2 year period. The NZ suggestion that the matter might be more appropriately one for the ITU was not picked up. The only specific outcome is a direction for the Telecommunications Working Group to report back to the next ministerial meeting in China in 2 years time. By that stage, the ITU (which is a treaty-making body) will also have considered recommendations on the topic and the Internet itself will no doubt have continued its rapid expansion. Ministerial Press Statement: <quote> The Acting Minister of Communications Trevor Mallard has welcomed the progress made by APEC Ministers on international internet charging arrangements. The APEC Ministers met in Cancun, Mexico last week. Trevor Mallard said a reasonable compromise has been reached between the strongly held views of the US and Canada on one side, and the other APEC economies led by Singapore and Australia. "At the heart of the issue is a claim of unfair international internet charging," he said. "Many APEC economies believe those international charging arrangements are unfair because in relation to traffic exchanged with the US, the non-US party has to meet the costs of the international link in both directions. "New Zealand's position at the meeting was that, as a general economic principle, the costs of international internet circuits should be shared in proportion to the benefits to the parties. "Having said that it is difficult to assess the benefits from internet traffic, and we need to be sure that gains from the benefits of any government interventions in commercial negotiations would exceed the costs." "The International Telecommunication Union (a UN body which has treaty-making powers) is considering recommendations on this matter at its World Telecommunication Standardisation Assembly in September. "The Cancun Declaration issued by APEC Ministers at the end of the Mexico meeting reaffirmed the importance of cost-sharing or other mutually beneficial arrangements for the APEC region as a whole. "The principles adopted by Ministers, and the future work programme approved for the APEC Telecommunications Working Group, emphasise the importance of commercial negotiation and cost sharing". "It is too early to tell how the Declaration will impact on commercial negotiations, as APEC is not a treaty-making body, but this is still a valuable step in the right direction," Trevor Mallard said. New Zealand will continue to participate in the APEC Telecommunications Working Group. The group will continue to discuss international developments relating to the internet and report back to the next ministerial meeting in two year's time. </quote> Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZ whois server
by Michael Newbery 31 May '00

31 May '00

On the 'liberal in what you accept' precept, I'd say that the server should either respond with the info, followed by somthing like % NOTE: Your whois client does not conform to the standard. % It failed to terminate the query string properly or even just provide the carp message and decline to provide the information, which is less helpful but more of an incentive to fix the broken client. In other words, if we want to throw rocks at the server, the most we can really complain about is that it failed silently when could have been a little more voluble. I'm no fan of 'liberal in what you accept'='I am a doormat, abuse me as you will, I will add code to work around your mistakes' for three reasons. 1. If the client writer doesn't know there is a problem, they can't fix it. 2. The server suffers code bloat. 3. When second-guessing what the client actually meant, it may well get it wrong (doesn't apply this time). However, if they are going to open the code to make the change you suggest though, the formating of the output could use some work. IMHO it's the ugliest whois server output I've ever seen, not to mention the most verbose. But as Don says, there are other things that need fixing more. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 >>> Don Stokes <don(a)daedalus.co.nz> - 30/5/00 6:38 PM >>> "Robert Gray" <bob(a)r-gray.com> wrote: >It's not BUFFOONZ but RIPE who's out of step with the rest of the world. I >should have known ;) Well, in this case, the RFCs are on Domainz's side, not RIPE's. Not to mention every other whois client on the planet which sends CRLF at the ends of their queries, as required by reputable network protocols the world over. Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> writes: >"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" Indeed, hence the suggestion that it be made to terminate on any control character. But I suspect that there are higher priorities at the moment than making the whois server talk to non-compliant clients. (It's not my code.) -- don --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 May '00

31 May '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just under 150 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the Uniforum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in early October. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: ISOCNZ - Invitation to Summit 2000
by Pete 30 May '00

30 May '00

Well that was jolly nice of ISOCNZ to give me all of your addresses so I can sell them to a mass-marketing spam company!! On Wed, 31 May 2000 exec.assist(a)isocnz.org.nz wrote: >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:34 +1200 >From: exec.assist(a)isocnz.org.nz >To: <Incredibly long list of personal e-mail addresses clipped> >Cc: exe.dir(a)isocnz.org.nz, exec.assist(a)isocnz.org.nz >Subject: ISOCNZ - Invitation to Summit 2000 >Parts/Attachments: > 1 Shown ~75 lines Text (charset: ISO-8859-1), "Mail message body" > 2 Shown 153 lines Text, "Text from file 'Agenda.html'" >---------------------------------------- They obviously know how to use a "cc" field, why doesn't someone tell them how to use "bcc" !!! Rgds, Pete --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ whois server
by Andy Linton 29 May '00

29 May '00

As a NZ domain holder, I am unimpressed by the apparent inability of the Council of ISOCNZ to require Domainz to carry out the policies it is supposed to and I am also unimpressed by the failure of the Board of Domainz in ensuring that the policies of ISOCNZ are carried out. I and a number of others have requested the introduction of a whois server that allows access to the data on the ISOCNZ NZ Registry that is operated on the Society's behalf by their operating company Domainz. This is consistent with the requirement stated in the Council's policy on New Zealand's Domain Name Structure. In that document (http://www.mcs.vuw.ac.nz/~hine/ISOCNZ/DNS/DNpolicy-8-97.html#SecondLevel) the section "Use of Information Gathered" the first paragraph says: 'Information is gathered in order to provide a public name listing service in line with other Internet domain name registry services world-wide.' Other registry services world-wide implement a whois service as well as a web-based service as a matter of course. I understand that the Council of the Society has instructed Domainz to implement such a server. Can you give an indication of when this service will be available? I also note that a name for this service is listed in the DNS. It is confusing to have this name there and then not have a service running. The details are below. whois.domainz.net.nz -> 202.46.160.18 -> www-wlg.domainz.net.nz Can you ensure that either the service that this host name purports to implement is commenced or that this host name is removed? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZ whois server
by Andy Linton 29 May '00

29 May '00

At 05:49 PM 5/30/00 +1200, you wrote: >Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> wrote: > >My apologies! I'm using the RIPE whois client and it never returns when > >I type: > > > >whois -h whois.domainz.net.nz lionra.net.nz > > > >although it's quite able to talk to other whois servers around the > >planet. > >OK, I was kinda intrigued about this one. So I downloaded the RIPE stuff >and had a play. > >It seems that the RIPE whois terminates its query with a single LF, >not CRLF as as the Domainz server is expecting. From tcpdump: > >17:02:01.058956 toyunix.zl2tnm.gen.nz.62311 > >www-wlg.domainz.net.nz.whois: P 1: >16(15) ack 1 win 17520 > 4500 0037 d189 0000 4006 7d4c c0a8 0102 > ca2e a012 f367 002b 3d2b 3c24 0827 44dd > 5018 4470 cec9 0000 6461 6564 616c 7573 > 2e63 6f2e 6e7a 0a > >(for those who don't read hex, that's <ip-header> <tcp header> >"daedalus.co.nz\n" No "\r". I suspect the Domainz server is waiting >for the CR not the LF. >I'm amazed. I didn't think it was possible to screw up the whois >protocol, much less have an outfit like RIPE do it. From RFC 954: Agreed. That's why I was so surprised when it didn't work and why I didn't check when I should have. If we're talking RFCs - RFC 1123 (:-) 1.2.2 Robustness Principle At every layer of the protocols, there is a general rule whose application can lead to enormous benefits in robustness and interoperability: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" Software should be written to deal with every conceivable error, no matter how unlikely; sooner or later a packet will come in with that particular combination of errors and attributes, and unless the software is prepared, chaos can ensue. In general, it is best to assume that the network is filled with malevolent entities that will send in packets designed to have the worst possible effect. This assumption will lead to suitable protective design, although the most serious problems in the Internet have been caused by unenvisaged mechanisms triggered by low-probability events; mere human malice would never have taken so devious a course! Thanks for sorting this out, by the way! --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: [apnic-announce] Maintenance Announcement: June 3rd 8:00 - 12:00 UTC+10
by jabley＠automagic.org 29 May '00

29 May '00

----Original Message----- From: Paul Gampe <paulg(a)apnic.net> To: apnic-announce(a)lists.apnic.net Cc: Subject: [apnic-announce] Maintenance Announcement: June 3rd 8:00 - 12:00 UTC+10 Reply-To: apnic-talk(a)apnic.net Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 1:23 PM [Note "reply-to:" field] Dear APNIC Member, APNIC will be performing an operating system maintenance on the primary whois server, whois.apnic.net during the Saturday June 3rd maintenance window between 8:00 - 12:00 UTC+10. The following services will be affected for periods of at most 15 minutes during the maintenance window: whois, dns, www.apnic.net and mailing lists. Both dns and email services will be provided by our secondary servers during this time. Should you have any questions regarding this announcement please e-mail: technical(a)apnic.net. We apologise in advance for any inconvenience that this may cause. Regards, Paul Gampe -- _______________________________________________________________ For PGP Key ID B49E3514, mailto:paulg(a)apnic.net send mail with Subject: pgp-key-request phoneto:+61-7-3367-0490 Paul Gampe - Technical Manager - APNIC faxto:+61-7-3367-0482 * APNIC-ANNOUNCE: Announcements concerning APNIC * * To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apnic-announce-request(a)apnic.net *

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IHUG oddities
by Rob Isaac 29 May '00

29 May '00

Folks, Terabyte in Auckland have a bunch of dialup accounts that they use to test sites in development. One of these accounts is with IHUG. The bizarre thing is that this dialup account isn't able to access any web pages at Terabyte from the PPP connection to IHUG. You can look up the name fine, and you can ping the remote server -- it's specifically HTTP traffic (tcp/80) that doesn't work. In the tests I've seen, the source address was 203.109.194.220 (presumably handed out by IHUG's DHCP), and the destination networks are Terabyte's hosting, at either 203.167.248.0/24 or 203.97.64.0/24. Can someone else test this via IHUG (and perhaps via someone else, in case there is some more obscure problem). http://www.terabyte.co.nz/ will do fine as an address to test. They've tested it already using a handful of other dialup ISPs around the countryside, and they work fine -- it's just IHUG that doesn't seem to work, and only for web traffic. I want to get some more tests done before I go pester IHUG with a vague complaint that may be nothing to do with them. Regards, Rob. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz full service registrars
by Peter Mott 28 May '00

28 May '00

We are trying to build a list of "domainz full service registrars". We have many customers who have setup domain name service on our system, but are having difficulty navigating the domainz site to register their name. When they contact domainz for assistance, they are told the reason they have a problem is because they are not using a full service registrar. XTRA, CLEAR Net, IHUG, WEBFARM and others have all been mentioned in communications. On several occasions our customers have contacted one of the above to have them register their domain name, but the "full service registrar" concerned refused to enter 2day.com domain name servers into the registry record. If you are a domainz registrar willing to enter name server records according to customer requirements, please email me. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [i-c-discuss] Help request
by Roger De Salis 26 May '00

26 May '00

Sue Leader wrote: > > Greetings > > I have an inquiry to answer and am missing one essential piece of > inforamtion. Can anyone tell me what the rationale was for having a > second level domain (2LD) structure rather than a flat structure in > .nz? So that the address structure can be divided into things that humans can remember. Also the 2LD provides some clue as to the purpose of the organisation eg .mil. .gov. or .co. There are of course variations in between the USA (1LD) and ROW (2LD). .co - .com .govt - .gov .ac - .edu. NZ has an interesting variation of this at the 3LD level. the 3rd level domain called domainz.net.nz which is a loopback domain. This loopback feature has a unique feature based on the amount of SPAM created this particular domain, so SPAM sent to this particular domain is endlessly recycled permitting near perfect service levels when responding to SPAM. In order to cater for loopback domains, the 3LD known as domainz is permanently wired to ORBS, which is an interactive mail responder. This permits meaningful dialog between the loopback domain and SPAM origination. In order to avail themsleves of this wonderful service, most ISP's in this country have implemented RFC 42064.32 which adheres to the Irish variation of ORBS. This means that all communication from the loopback domain is directed via sendmail to /dev/null. Unfortunately Microsoft clients have no way of implementing this device, and are therefore forced forever to endure SPAM which commences "Domainz is considering changes to.......". There is unfortunately no way to ever leave this highly desirable email domain. Hope this helps.... Rgds Roger De Salis > > Thanks > Sue > Sue Leader - Executive Director > ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) > Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz > Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington > "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." > > All information contained in this message is > confidential to members of the ISOCNZ Council. > _______________________________________________________ > isocnz-council-discuss mailing list > isocnz-council-discuss(a)isocnz.org.nz > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-council-discuss -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Amazing
by Chris Foster 26 May '00

26 May '00

Guess what? I only received my name holder id yesterday and today I received my password. How have domainz done it? took them a while to figure out? Chris --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [i-c-discuss] Help request
by Michael Newbery 23 May '00

23 May '00

On 24 May 2000, Simon Lyall <simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Andy Linton wrote: > > Except to note that it's not necessary and in fact simply causes > > confusion. For example, if you wanted to contact Paradise (the ISP) > > would you choose paradise.co.nz or paradise.net.nz? Now make the choice > > as a naive user. > > Of course if they pick www.paradise.gen.nz then they might really have a > problem. > > > With the benefit of hindsight I'd advocate that it's all a crock and a > > single domain, .nz is all we need. > > It does have the advantage in letting "clashing" names have an > alternative. This is especially good since if your name is Mcdonald or > Harrods then if you take a .gen.nz or .org.nz domain then it is > automaticly assumed to be personal rather than taking a shot at the big > boys. As I recall, the intent was also to delegate authority. Thus the owner of .mil.nz would accept only suitably armed and dangerous organisations. The Universities, who were de facto running ".nz" thought they might be considered presumtuous if they allocated all sub-domains, and even then we did not consider it part of our 'core' business. As it happened of course, we ended up doing it for everyone anyway, pretty much. Bear in mind that this was the time of GOSIP, when Standards NZ wanted a large number of thousands of dollars, per year, to assign you an X.121 address. Countries coming to the Internet somewhat later have had the benefit of experience and have sometimes chosen different schemes. Another consideration was that in the VERY early days, we had big and little endian addresses (JANET style nz.ac.vuw vs Internet style vuw.ac.nz), and since NZ had Spearnet (Coloured book, JANET derived protocols) and TCP style addressing simultaneously for a while, PLUS the BITNET link between Auckland and VUW, plus uucp bang paths, plus Compuserve (remember them :-) we tried to make names unambigous under several transformations. That was one reason we explicitly chose 2LDs that were *not* gov, com or edu. By the time mil.nz and org.nz were necessary, this was no longer considered a problem. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Email notifications et al
by Andrew McEwen Mason 23 May '00

23 May '00

1. Email notifications ------------------- Ted is correct. The messages are going out to Registrars as notified last week and as Ted has discovered. However, they are not as yet going to name server managers who are _not_ Registrars, but this will be changed to include NS managers as from tomorrow morning. 2. Names on hold ------------- We will start tomorrow on releasing the backlog of names on hold. 3. Bugs/issues/change requests --------------------------- We are setting up a discussion list for these, which we plan to have live by this weekend - might cut down on traffic to the public lists :-) Will also have a tool for Registrars in particular to notify and track resolution of bugs. Cheers Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz > [mailto:isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz]On Behalf Of Ted Grenfell > Sent: 23 May, 2000 17:22 > To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz; isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz > Subject: RE: [isocnz-l]Domainz debacle continues > > > At 17:13 23/05/00, Peter Mott wrote: > > > Still nothing from domainz in regard to email notifications. > > > >Just rang domainz, they dont know when soa notifications are going to be> >fixed either. Nothing changes. > > POB told me they should be going today and I've seen some that > are in fact > coming through. We don't yet know though if we're getting all the ones we > should be but we're definitely getting some of them. > > > -- > Ted Grenfell > Xtra ISP Performance Manager > Mob 025 435 455; DDI 09 359 5854; Fax 09 355 5283 > Level 12, Telecom Tower, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland > > > > _______________________________________________ > go to http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-l > for subscription/unsubscription information. > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: List of Registry Problems
by david＠farrar.com 22 May '00

22 May '00

> > I have compiled (and yes it did take me a long time) a list of known > > problems and bugs encountered with the new DOMAINZ registry system. > > It stands at 49 at present. Many of them have now been resolved but I > > believe it is important to note them as they occurred. > > > > The list is at http://www.dpf.ac.nz/isocnz/domainz.htm > > Excellent idea - I can see this list growing rapidly as more people add > issues to the list. I think it's safe to say that Domainz are unaware of > many of the problems with their system, and so it is important for us to > (politely) raise these issues. A buglist such as this one is an ideal way > to do so. Thanks for the extra eight points. I had had several from others and will update the site tonight. While my original intention was more historical to be of use in any inquiry (and showing the need for one) I am happy to modify it so it can be used to show what problems are still outstanding. Hence I will add on tonight a field called "Resolution" showing if the problem has been resolved, was one-off, is a philosphical as opposed to a technical problem or if it is still unresolved. These will be based on my knowledge which is based on mainly the public lists. I would be most happy once the "Resolution" field has been added on to have DOMAINZ inform me of further resolutions so I can keep it up to date. DPF --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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List of Registry Problems
by DPF 22 May '00

22 May '00

I have compiled (and yes it did take me a long time) a list of known problems and bugs encountered with the new DOMAINZ registry system. It stands at 49 at present. Many of them have now been resolved but I believe it is important to note them as they occurred. The list is at http://www.dpf.ac.nz/isocnz/domainz.htm This is intended as a resource for those who believe that there should be an investigation into why so many problems were encountered, especially as many were avoidable. At this stage I have not ranked them in terms of seriousness. I welcome feedback as to additions and amendments as well as suggestions for the seriousness of each problem on a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being very major fuck up and 5 being a trivial problem of little consequence. Off the top of my head I would tend to put Nos 2, 5, 29, 35, 37, 41, 44 and 47 as all Class 1 problems. DPF ________________________________________________________________________ <david at farrar dot com> NZ Usenet FAQs - http://www.dpf.ac.nz/usenet/nz ICQ 29964527 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ORBS stupidity
by David Zanetti 21 May '00

21 May '00

It's come to my attention that ORBS is listing 203.97.237.122 as an open relay, and therefore is being blocked by various (clueless?) networks.., It happens to be a small mailserver I indirectly have some involvement with. It's not an open relay, it has never relayed spam, and its listing in ORBS defies belief. I have absolutely no interest in Alan's disputes with above.net, and I consider the continued listing of this server to be nothing more than petty vandalism on an innocent 3rd party by Alan. Such vandalism disgusts me, it is only pissing off the very people ORBS is trying to convince of its merit.. Alan, get a clue and stop listing people who _aren't_ open relays in ORBS. I welcome anyone who does not take my word that the server is not an open relay to use any (obviously non-ORBS) tester to prove it.. -- David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> | "It doesn't matter a damn what the Moderator, nz.politics.announce | [ISOCNZ] members think or say" #include <geek/unix.h> | Jim Higgins, (then) ISOCNZ chairman --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz registrar email notifications
by Peter Mott 21 May '00

21 May '00

I thought domainz were going to fix sending soa emails to name server sysadms. Two weeks down the track and we still have delegations change left right and centre and not a single email notification from domainz. Does anybody know whats going on? Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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reload frequency .nz name servers
by Peter Mott 18 May '00

18 May '00

Does anybody know the timetable for reload of .nz 2TLD name servers on the domainz new system? I just rang them and was advised name servers are only reloaded once a day following a zone build at 4pm. The person did not state whether this occured on the weekend as well as during the week. Useful stuff like this does not appear on the domainz web site :-( Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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