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RE: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999]
by Frank March 23 Nov '99

23 Nov '99

Comments on recent posts from Roger De Salis and Josh Bailey While I have no real personal disagreement with the sentiment Roger's post expresses, I do have some concerns about the way that the government might be involved in such a venture; I would personally prefer to see government get its own information policies in order (ie, developing a comprehensive vision for e-government in NZ) rather than plunging straight into building an infrastructure that might be done better by others. I do have some problems with what Josh Bailey has to say. Who is paying for the Cisco in the pizza parlour? I doubt if it is a government initiative; be it Californian or Federal. There has been some interesting stuff put out by Paul Budde recently (see the most recent 'Friday Fryup' from Russell Brown) about the impact (or lack) of NZ's telecommunications competition policy and has some bearing on the comment about the cost of 64K circuits in NZ. (Albeit, these comments are not really accepted in the place that I work.) Note that 64K circuits have never cost US$30K/m in NZ ... China had, and still has, some way to do to catch up, frankly. In commenting on the 'aisle' of Ciscos observed in Korea: it is perhaps possible that Telecom NZ has such as facility, I do not know. I am not aware of a serious lack of overseas data capacity for New Zealand at present (I would be very interested to know if there is in fact such a lack of capacity). The future seems reasonably secure with the prospect of the Southern Cross cable opening next year (increasing present overseas data carrying capacity by a factor of 100, I believe). There are serious bandwidth users in NZ. While I do not personally wish to carry any particular flame for Telecom NZ, I do know that Peter Jackson has had very good co-operation in having his on and off shore needs for very large bandwidth met by them (no doubt at a cost!). I personally believe there are concerns about local loop issues in NZ that need addressing but I have no concerns about national or international infrastructure where there is abundant competitive pressure and opportunity. The Internet in NZ has (& is) expanded (ing) very quickly. NZ has one of the top 10 Internet penetrations in the world (ahead of Australia, all of middle and southern Europe and miles ahead of Korea and the rest of Asia). There are issues about e-commerce development in NZ, certainly, if the Ernst Young report from early this year is to be believed. I am also very concerned about the apparent denigration of the need to develop and focus on post industrial economic models for NZ (ie the knowledge economy) by both politicians and media commentators in the current election campaign. But, Josh, if you really have a concern it has to be better directed and expressed than the comments you make in your post. Frank March > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Bailey [SMTP:josh(a)ascend.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 1999 13:09 > To: Roger De Salis > Cc: isocnz-members(a)isocnz.org.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999] > > > On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Roger De Salis wrote: > > > This country needs to build a very high speed, low cost communications > > network with Universal access in the same way that it needed to build > > railways in the last century, and roads and airports in this. > > It's becoming increasingly embarrassing being a New Zealander > internationally - just last week I tripped over a Cisco 675 being > installed in a pizza parlour on Telegraph, right next to Berkeley > university - even the homeless here "browse the 'Net." In South-East China > it used to cost $30K/US a month for a 64K circuit and you were lucky if it > stood up for a few days at a time - now there are bright shiny new NAPs > built on literally dirt floors that put New Zealand's to shame. I asked > Korea Telecom's 'Net operations manager once where his overseas feeds came > in, and he nonchanantly indicated an *aisle* of 10-15 Cisco 7513s > allocated just for that purpose. > > What other way can I say it? I turn my back on my country! > > New Zealand isn't interested in playing. Reliable and capacious Internet > access is two steps forward, one step back with a wobble for good measure > between steps. Culturally New Zealanders do not take the Internet > seriously. It is very clear from the outside looking in that NZ > politicians reflect the attitudes of their majorities quite accurately. > > In summarising and following on from your point Roger - it seems the only > way to get Powers To Be to listen is to walk out. Like other people of my > generation/age group/ambitions/industry, I can't wait for my country to > catch up with my future. > > -- > Josh Bailey (mailto:joshbailey(a)lucent.com) > lucent->ins->software->alameda[CA] > > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999]
by Warwick Glendenning 23 Nov '99

23 Nov '99

but at least we don't have nukes... -----Original Message----- From: Josh Bailey [mailto:josh(a)ascend.com] Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 1999 13:09 To: Roger De Salis Cc: isocnz-members(a)isocnz.org.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999] On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Roger De Salis wrote: > This country needs to build a very high speed, low cost communications > network with Universal access in the same way that it needed to build > railways in the last century, and roads and airports in this. It's becoming increasingly embarrassing being a New Zealander internationally - just last week I tripped over a Cisco 675 being installed in a pizza parlour on Telegraph, right next to Berkeley university - even the homeless here "browse the 'Net." In South-East China it used to cost $30K/US a month for a 64K circuit and you were lucky if it stood up for a few days at a time - now there are bright shiny new NAPs built on literally dirt floors that put New Zealand's to shame. I asked Korea Telecom's 'Net operations manager once where his overseas feeds came in, and he nonchanantly indicated an *aisle* of 10-15 Cisco 7513s allocated just for that purpose. What other way can I say it? I turn my back on my country! New Zealand isn't interested in playing. Reliable and capacious Internet access is two steps forward, one step back with a wobble for good measure between steps. Culturally New Zealanders do not take the Internet seriously. It is very clear from the outside looking in that NZ politicians reflect the attitudes of their majorities quite accurately. In summarising and following on from your point Roger - it seems the only way to get Powers To Be to listen is to walk out. Like other people of my generation/age group/ambitions/industry, I can't wait for my country to catch up with my future. -- Josh Bailey (mailto:joshbailey(a)lucent.com) lucent->ins->software->alameda[CA] --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999]
by Warwick Glendenning 23 Nov '99

23 Nov '99

Seriously I think your message was good wake up call to us involved in networking in NZ. -----Original Message----- From: Josh Bailey [mailto:josh(a)ascend.com] Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 1999 13:34 To: Warwick Glendenning Cc: Roger De Salis; isocnz-members(a)isocnz.org.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [Fwd: Fwd: FCC Approves Line Sharing 11/18/1999] On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Warwick Glendenning wrote: > but at least we don't have nukes... Couldn't tell if there was a smiley there. :-) Nonetheless, we have have the Internet, nukes, and all the rest here to stay. I don't think ignoring any of them/it is the world's greatest strategy for survival.... -- Josh Bailey (mailto:joshbailey(a)lucent.com) lucent->ins->software->alameda[CA] --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Video Broadcast
by Richard Naylor 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

We have been advised by the Reserve Bank that the Governor, Don Brash will make a major announcement on Wednesday 17 Nov at 0900. They will be offering this via a streaming server at RBNZ and are concerned about the impact of possible traffic increases on the Internet. Their Corporate Affairs people have estimated that something between 200 and 800 clients MAY view it. Each client will be approx 28kbps stream. Routers on CityLink/WIX may struggle under the load. CityLink will install a temporary 100mbps link for the occassion, along with a WIX router, so that traffic gets passed directly to as many clients as possible. Is any WIX ISP interested in offering international traffic (and IP numbers to go behind the router) for the occassion ? Richard richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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0867 Access to Internet
by Nevil Brownlee 11 Nov '99

11 Nov '99

Dear Mr Williamson: This week I have been in America at an Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) meeting. IETF meetings bring together around 2000 technical people who are working together to develop and improve the global Internet. Among them are people from most of the world's telecommunications companies, which gives me a very good chance to talk to them and find out how telephone services work in other countries. I have taken the opportunity to canvas opinion on Telecom New Zealand's 0867 service for Internet access from the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN). Everyone has responded with open-mouthed astonishment to the idea that a single company could actually do this, and remark that "it wouldn't be legal in any other country." The effect of this service is to force ISP's to use Telecom to provide PSTN connection services for them, or to use another provider with whom Telecom has an '0867 agreement.' I fail to understand why you, as Minister of Communications, are prepared to allow any one company to exercise such a high degree of control over public access to the Internet in New Zealand. Would you please let me know how you intend to correct this anomoly if you continue to be New Zealand's Minister of Telecommunications? Yours sincerely, (Dr.) Nevil Brownlee +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nevil Brownlee Director, Technology Development | | Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x8941 ITSS, The University of Auckland | | FAX: +64 9 373 7021 Private Bag 92019, Auckland, New Zealand | +---------------------------------------------------------------------L --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Wee query about clear :)
by Arron Scott 11 Nov '99

11 Nov '99

Joe's point about Merit is where this get's interesting to me. Obviously, WIX and APE should move to a Arbitrated network in my opinion, if you are providing the route server, then you provide the only rational filtering point. On the issue of running the database though, this data may well reach beyond the realm of WIX and APE and their customers, for instance NetGate could use it to Clear directly etc. Wouldn't it be nice if we could trust that ISOCNZ and DomaiNZ could provide a useful cost-effective and more regionally acurate alternative to Merit !!! Well, I'm allowed to dream aren't I !!! Arron Scott Telecom NZ On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Joe Abley wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 10:30:59AM +1300, Simon Blake wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Jamie Clark wrote: > > > > > WIX has obviously worked well without filters so far. > > > > It comes and goes. Generally, it works fine, and that's probably a > > reflection on the stability of the NZ net, or at least, the bit that peers > > in wellington. In general, it's changes (additions of new peers) that can > > cause temporary hiccups (Actrix advertising 4000 prefixes yesterday being > > a good example). > > Originally, there was only one peering point, in Hamilton. It used > OSPF, which you couldn't filter, but that was generally ok because it > was more important to connect people to the exchange quickly and > easily than it was to worry about filtering problems. When your > only route out is through the exchange, you don't necessarily need > to worry much about filtering. > > Now there are three exchanges as well as private peering links in > the network, some operators have a choice of as many as six routes > for their domestic traffic to take as it leaves their network. This > requires some traffic engineering that previously was not particularly > necessary. > > The proliferation of domestic peering also means that finger trouble > at one particular operator now has (in some cases) six times as many > ways to cause problems for other operators, in a manner that is quite > possibly six times harder to debug. > > All this adds up to the fact that when Angry Customer calls up to > find out why his Angry Customer can't talk to someone else's Angry > Customer, you need some idea of how things _ought_ to look before > you can figure out what has broken. > > Publishing route policy makes that easier. It also makes it easier > to filter with some confidence, which is also a good thing. If > Atrix release 4000 prefixes into the network, and you pick them > up and trust them, then it's your fault for not filtering. Don't > yell at Actrix :) > > The tools required to set up and run an RPSL registry are all freely > available, but it _is_ something that needs to be set up professionally > and run as such, in my opinion. A flaky database which contains out-of- > date information because people can't update it is probably worse than > no database at all. > > Merit now charge US$200/year to keep records in their database. In the > absense of a similar facility elsewhere (e.g. in NZ) that is as stable > as Merit's, I would say that was good value for money. > > > My policy at the moment tends to vary, depending on the customer. If the > > peer is an ISP (ie, if they have their own ASN), then I assume they know > > what they're doing, > > You missed out the ":)" > > > and I don't filter incoming or outgoing updates, > > unless requested by the peer. > > Warning! Warning! > > > Joe > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Wee query about clear :) (fwd)
by Simon Blake 10 Nov '99

10 Nov '99

Hi all (bringing a conversation between Jamie Clark and yours truly out into the light) On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Jamie Clark wrote: > Simon, > > On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Simon Blake wrote: > > > > Any change in your policy of not publishing a route policy? :) > > > > "policy" is a bit strong :-). It has always been my intent to publish a > > No offence intended. and absolutely none taken. > > route policy, but time is pressing, and Clear are the only ISP on Citylink > > that consistantly ask for same. Everytime I sit down to learn what's > > involved and get a policy loaded, something else crops up that appears > > more urgent. :-( I'm happy to try and bump it up the priority list, if it > > will encourage more ISP's to peer. > > WIX has obviously worked well without filters so far. It comes and goes. Generally, it works fine, and that's probably a reflection on the stability of the NZ net, or at least, the bit that peers in wellington. In general, it's changes (additions of new peers) that can cause temporary hiccups (Actrix advertising 4000 prefixes yesterday being a good example). > It is certainly tempting to forgo the safety measures and peer anyway > - however I suspect that some day it will become necessary to have the > WIX route policy in some form of database. (?) maybe, perhaps. Absolutely, especially as WIX rises in importance as a major peering point in NZ, rather than as a "backup" peering point, which has been it's role until now. > IMHO it is a potential security risk if you cannot control which routes > you choose to learn from your neighbours. It would be possible for a WIX > customer with evil intentions to advertise a longer prefix into our > network and steal our customer's traffic (or any other WIX ISP's traffic > for that matter). Hmmm (evil ideas spring to mind) It may seem a bit odd, but this has been one of my pet *aims* for WIX! Contrary to popular belief, Citylink doesn't have infinite network capacity :-). Therefore, providing a mechanism where customers of ISP's can transit data directly to other customers of ISP's, without having that data split horizon through one or two ISP routers is increasingly desirable. That's why we have a setup where a little Citylink customer with a /28 from their ISP and no ASN can still peer with the route server and exchange data directly with other Citylink users. > It would not be sufficient for us to deny these advertisements either - as > they may very well be legitimate (multihoming). Having said that (that I think allowing small Citylink customers to advertise long prefix routes directly is desirable), I'm all for restricting what the route server will accept from each client. My policy at the moment tends to vary, depending on the customer. If the peer is an ISP (ie, if they have their own ASN), then I assume they know what they're doing, and I don't filter incoming or outgoing updates, unless requested by the peer. If the peer has no ASN, then I assume that they're less clueful, and also that they're likely to have a small number of routes that change infrequently. Because those non ASN peers are much more likely to foul things up, I filter the updates I receive from them to only the routes they've told me they'll send. > Admittedly a policy database with automatic updates will not > necessarily prevent this - but at least there would be an audit trail > pointing to the offender. And that has to be a good thing. > With the current operational changes to RADB it looks like we will set up > our own database and have this mirrored by RADB. This won't happen until > next year though. The goal would be to automatically generate router BGP > configs from this database. > > If you're interested (and provided you don't do it first ;) I'm sure we > would be keen to pass on anything that might be useful. When I last looked at the RADb a few months ago, I mused that having route arbiters on WIX and/or APE might not be a bad thing, and would be a useful service for Citylink to provide in it's capacity as "neutral peering provider to the stars" :-). Seeing that Merit are planning to charge US$200 per year leads me to believe that it's an idea who's time may have come. Comments? Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra NZ live on the APE
by Joe Abley 10 Nov '99

10 Nov '99

Hi all, A few minutes ago Telstra NZ exchanged its first routes with CLEAR and Plain Communications over the APE. The peering relationships are currently in test, and we expect a stable policy to be in place on the routers early next week. Many thanks to Phil Groom for doing most of the work, Chris Wedgwood and Matthew Grant for being available to peer at the drop of a hat, and Ben Martel for being generally a handy man to know. For future reference, Telstra NZ's Sky Tower router is numbered 192.203.154.32 on the exchange subnet, and has a clean 100M back to the data centre in Queen Street over dark fibre, backed up with DMR. Telstra are announcing routes from AS4763. Full route policy will be published shortly, probably in the RADB. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Two new ISP's on WIX
by Simon Blake 08 Nov '99

08 Nov '99

Hi all Just a quick note - late last week XTRA joined WIX, and as of a few minutes ago IHUG is peering with the route server. By my reckoning, that makes 15 ISP's on Citylink, of which 14 are using WIX to peer in some fashion. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 07 Nov '99

07 Nov '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had a little over one 110 subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins -- Donald Neal | HTTP is everywhere. It could not be so Service Platforms | pervasive without being good. Centralised Maintain and Support | Therefore, HTTP is good. Telecom NZ Ltd | - RFC2324 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Connections to APE (plus changes)
by Richard Naylor 01 Nov '99

01 Nov '99

In the next week or so the 2 switches at APE will be replaced with a more capable Cisco switch, through the generosity of Cisco NZ. While this is taking place there will be a smal outage on the APE switch. Users will notice an outage of less than 1 minute while the new switch learns mac addresses etc. At the same time, cablers will be on site and available to connect up any parties interested in joining the exchange. Prospective users whose external connectivity has yet to arrive, can still be connected while the cabling is taking place - its easier for the installers to pull a bundle at one time. If you are interested in having cable put in place for a future connection, please contact me in the next week. thanks - rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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web page with APE stuff on it
by Joe Abley 01 Nov '99

01 Nov '99

I thought it might be good to have some info about APE on a web page somewhere. So I threw this together: http://www.patho.gen.nz/ape/ It almost certainly contains at least _some_ lies; please let me know what they are (or, if you don't care, I'll just carry on spreading them :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WHOIS/Zone Transfer Policy
by John Vorstermans 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

Hi. The revised draft of the WHOIS and Zone Transfer policies are now available at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/whoisdraft231099.html http://www.isocnz.org.nz/zfdraft231099.html Any comment or feedback are welcome. The earlier drafts are still available at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/zfdraft1099.html http://www.isocnz.org.nz/whoisdraft1099.html Regards John Vorstermans Technical Committee ISOCNZ -- John Vorstermans || We are what we repeatedly do. Technical Manager || - Aristotle Actrix Networks --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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rata.vuw.ac.nz outage
by Richard Stevenson 23 Oct '99

23 Oct '99

Hi all I figured that you may all want to know that rata.vuw.ac.nz, one of the secondary nameservers for the nz ccTLD, will be out of service for an undetermined period of time tomorrow evening (Saturday 23 October 1999). As part of our Y2K preparations, management here has decided that all of our core systems should be shut down, powered off, left to cool, and then restarted, to see what breaks. This will all happen tomorrow night. The shutdown and startup procedures will be carried out by unqualified staff (i.e. not even Unix-literate) as an experiment in system documentation standards. I hope to see you all on the other side. Regards Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Stevenson Systems Engineer, Information Technology Services Victoria University of Wellington Phone: +64 4 4635051 Fax: +64 4 4635552 Being a Unix system administrator is like being a tech in a biological warfare laboratory, except that none of the substances are labeled consistently, any of the compounds are just as likely to kill you by themselves as they are when mixed with one another, and it is never clear what distinction is made between a catastrophic failure in the lab and a successful test in the field. (--M. Tiemann) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: rata.vuw.ac.nz outage
by Mark Davies 21 Oct '99

21 Oct '99

From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)patho.gen.nz> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:41:35 +1300 > Nice to have some warning on this. However, 24 hours is a little > slim for an event that will take out 1/6 of all recursive lookups > on nz names "for an undetermined period", isn't it? Well I would have given you more warning but when I first heard they were going to do this and queried it I misread the answer they gave me to say that rata wouldn't be included so Richards message was a little surprise to me as well. Rata is intended to be the last machine down and the first up so hopefully the disruption should be quite short. mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [ISOCNZ-L] Re: zdraft1099.html (DRAFT ISOCNZ Zone Transfer P
by Mark Harris 18 Oct '99

18 Oct '99

Joe, Not to steal his thunder, but John V. has indicated to the Council that he had received some good feedback from the lists and email which is going to require a redraft of both policies to include some of the suggestions and rewordings. He also said that the Technical Committee is meeting later this week to consider these changes and he hopes to have something final after that. We don't want this to go on forever, so I imagine RSN :-) Cheers Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [SMTP:jabley(a)patho.gen.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:44 AM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz > Subject: Re: [ISOCNZ-L] Re: zdraft1099.html (DRAFT ISOCNZ Zone > Transfer P > > It seems that a reasonable amount of feedback has been provided now... > When can we expect revised draft policies to be made available? > > > Joe > > - > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the isocnz-l mailing list send a message > to majordomo(a)isocnz.org.nz with the keyword subscribe or unsubscribe > as the message plus the list name i.e. unsubscribe isocnz-l --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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zdraft1099.html (DRAFT ISOCNZ Zone Transfer Policy)
by Joe Abley 18 Oct '99

18 Oct '99

John, Some feedback for you. Background A primary name server is a name server that gets the data for its zones from local files. Changes to a zone, such as adding domains or hosts, are done at the Primary Name Server. A secondary name server gets the data for its zones from another name server across the network which is authoritative for that zone. The processes of obtaining this zone information (that is the database file) across the network is referred to as a zone transfer. Since bind 8 I believe the nomenclature that has been widely adopted is a "master" nameserver (corresponding to a master zone configured on that host) and multiple "slave" nameservers which keep their copies of the zone up-to-date using zone transfers. Probably makes sense to make use of the current terminology. Zone Transfers will be allowed provided: [...] I think that there are numerous reasons to perform a zone transfer which are not covered here, which would be consistent with the privacy act provision in point 2. It seems to me that the list is unnecessarily restrictive in presuming to know all the reasons an operator might have for performing a zone transfer. I also think that there is nothing wrong with statistics gathering. Understanding trends makes the network a safer place. I do not understand your earlier point that data for statistical analysis would be available on the web, but not by zone transfer... Perhaps I misunderstood it. I would rephrase point (3) to be something like: that it is not for the purpose of allowing, enabling or otherwise supporting the transmission of mass unsolicitited, commercial advertising or solicitatious e-mail. I would also make point (4) a little more general, and allow zone transfers to facilitate "operational network engineering". Is it reasonable for a request not to contain a detailed description of the reason for wanting to perform a zone transfer? What is a reasonable request? Is the idea of this policy to be prepared in the event that a flagrant misuse of the zone data occurs? If so, I think it's a good idea. If the idea is to implement an immediate set of restrictions on zone transfers, and to administer zone transfer access control (including all associated adds, moves and changes) for all secondary nameservers, then I remain slightly dubious :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Draft WHOIS and Zone Transfer Policies
by John Vorstermans 16 Oct '99

16 Oct '99

Greetings. The ISOCNZ Technical Committee has prepared two draft policies. 1. Directing Domainz to implement a WHOIS server. http://www.isocnz.org.nz/whoisdraft1099.html 2. A policy on Zone Transfers. http://www.isocnz.org.nz/zfdraft1099.html I hope to be able to ask the council to vote on these next week. Any comments or submissions to these draft proposals would of course be most welcome. If you wish to make a submission please email to john(a)actrix.co.nz These drafts have also been sent to the ISOCNZ members mailing list for comment. Regards John -- John Vorstermans || We are what we repeatedly do. Technical Manager || - Aristotle Actrix Networks --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: whoisdraft1099.html (DRAFT WHOIS SERVER POLICY)
by Joe Abley 15 Oct '99

15 Oct '99

John, More feedback, different draft. An WHOIS server is the Internet Standard way of access details from, in our case, the .nz database. "a" whois server, surely :) * It is a separate service. Separate from what? * It is currently provided by all major Name Service organisations, e.g. Ripe and APNIC etc. RIPE and APNIC aren't actually name service organisations; they're regional registries for ASN and IP number allocations. You might use CRSNIC, NSI, Nominet, etc if you're looking for examples of registries' and registrars' use of whois. WHOIS Policy * That NZIRL be required to put in place a standard WHOIS server on the .nz database. What needs to be carefully specified is the formatting of queries and responses to the whois service. There are a number of different "standard" query definitions and response formats currently in use amongst different registries. It would make sense for Domainz/ISOCNZ to approach the heavier users of their existing services and consult as to the query and response formats that are required. The Data in ISOCNZ WHOIS database is provided by NZIRL for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. NZIRL does not guarantee its accuracy. NIRL should guarantee that the response returned to a query is consistent with the data stored by Domainz at the time of the query. (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to NZIRL (or its systems). I'm not sure what this means. What does it mean? ISOCNZ reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. I would imagine that you should qualify this by specifying how changes to the policy will be notified to users of the whois service. You might also refer to RFC812, which specifies nicname/whois. It's a little old (it refers to NCP/TCP!) but the core protocol is described there, such as it is. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [ISOCNZ-Members] Draft WHOIS Policy
by David Harpham 15 Oct '99

15 Oct '99

ISOCNZ technical committee, Thanks very much for the opportunity to comment (and hopefully influence) the Zone transfer and Whois policies, *before having the council vote on them.* DRAFT ZONE TRANSFER POLICY (http://www.isocnz.org.nz/zfdraft1099.html) ========================================================== Great to see that "No reasonable request shall be refused." A/ In item 3. it explicitly lists "simply for the gathering of statistical analysis" as being undesirable. Surely we can remove this phrase. The no spam bit I endorse but no statistics is a bit closed shop isn't it.? B/ In item 3 it provides for 'private name' servers. What is the objection to (shadow) public but non authoritative name servers. Surely these are OK in an open environment.? An ISP may want to improve response times for it's customers and help unload the official authoritative name servers, this would help robustness with perhaps a greater diversity of machines and operators. If it is OK for Auckland University then why not an ISP? DRAFT WHOIS POLICY (http://www.isocnz.org.nz/whoisdraft1099.html) ==================================================== Starts off well pointing out the expectation that "It is used generally by system administrators." A/ Surely to be useful for an ISP administrator, the ISP needs to be able to be sure that it is the current authoritative contents of the official database but instead we have "NZIRL does not guarantee its accuracy". Also I do not believe that ISOCNZ policy should include a disclaimer on behalf of NZIRL, I think people need to be clear which hat is being worn when they write this. B/ Surely to be useful to ISP administrators, one of the major differences in using a Whois instead of a web page is that it *CAN* be used for efficient automated definitive lookups etc. Why specifically ""under no circumstances will you use this Data to ...enable high volume, automated, electronic processes ", I thought that was largely what the objective was. OVERALL ========= If we make the above changes (open statistics gathering, open shadow name servers, accuracy of whois with efficient automation) we might allow for ISP's wanting to provide equivalent or alternative services to the registry in an efficient manor, without them it looks very centralist. Cheers David Harpham david(a)harpham.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Petition for .nz registry WHOIS server
by 2Day Operations 11 Oct '99

11 Oct '99

Thanks to those folk who took the time to complete a petition and send it on to us. I have today couriered them to the secretary of ISOCNZ. Lets see if we can get a WHOIS server in place before their new Internet foundation gets all the millions in profit from DOMAINZ. Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Looking for Web servers to ping - network research
by Joerg Micheel 07 Oct '99

07 Oct '99

Dear NZnoggers, there are currently some research projects going on which try to measure the health and state of the Internet on a global and local scale. University of Waikato Computer Science is hosting a skitter server for CAIDA, the UCSD-based Internet Research Corporation. The skitter project involves pinging (ICMP traffic) a larger number of "interesting" hosts on the Internet and drawing some conclusions about reachability, network load, performance etc. These people are expanding their scope and would like to find new destinations they could ping on a regular basis. Web servers are of high interest. If you are a network administrator, web administrator etc, who is willing to support such research (and potentially receive valuable information from active network measurements), please get back to me as soon as possible. Thank you for your time. Joerg Micheel ----- Forwarded message from Tracie Monk <tmonk(a)caida.org> ----- We might add that for these measurements, web server are preferred targets. Please do not include any routers or workstations in your lists of additions to the destination lists. We will add everyone's additions next week, then distribute a new dataset soon after. Thanks for your help. Tracie Dear Skitter-Asia Collaborators, We have now collected sufficient data using our initial Skitter destination list that we can now entertain making additions to the list. If you have a suggestions please provide us with the destination host name and IP address. We would prefer candidates with diverse characteristics. For example, we prefer to have examples from commercial, education, non-profit, network, and government sectors. Also destinations from different geographical locations are of interest. Typically we monitor only one host per domain name (i.e. caida.org, san.rr.com,) but exceptions are made for interesting destinations. Please send your suggestions to me along with any additional information you can provide. Peace, Edouard -------------------- Edouard Lagache, PhD elagache(a)caida.org phone (858) 534-5045 fax (858) 822-0861 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Waikato Applied Network Dynamics Phone: +64 7 8384794 The University of Waikato, SCMS Fax: +64 7 8384155 Private Bag 3105 Pager: +64 868 38222 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: TINE and the DAG's --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 07 Oct '99

07 Oct '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had a little over one hundred subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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singlemode/multimode media converters
by Joe Abley 06 Oct '99

06 Oct '99

Noggers, Anybody have any good ideas where I can get my hands on two singlemode/ multimode converters, suitable for clocking at 155M with ATM? SDH framing, if that makes a difference. Needed in Auckland pretty urgently... Any pointers appreciated. Preferred SC connectors on the multimode side, ST on the singlemode. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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SunOS 4.1.3
by Chris Wedgwood 04 Oct '99

04 Oct '99

Can anyone tell me where the localtime/zoneinfo file for the current timezone should reside on a SunOS 4.1.3 box? I have one that is so horrible crippled right now, I can't think of any good way to find out... -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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whois.patho.gen.nz now working again
by Joe Abley 02 Oct '99

02 Oct '99

Hi, Just in case anybody missed it :) whois.patho.gen.nz is now reporting correctly again, pulling registration info from http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER. The extended breakage wasn't due to any re-formatting of the data returned by that script at waikato, incidentally; it was entirely due to the fact that the little awk script which drives whois.patho.gen.nz was using character class extensions which are specified in POSIX 1003.2, and implemented in gawk, but sadly misinterpreted by whatever awk OpenBSD installs in /usr/bin. Well, actually the extended-ness of the breakage was more to do with the fact that I wasn't bored enough to look at it until now. nz.whois-servers.net is a CNAME for tardis.patho.gen.nz, which is nice of them. Note that this is a highly non-production system, and is most definitely not what Peter needs to run his business :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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3q99 in-addr.arpa walk, second notice
by bmanning＠flag.ep.net 24 Sep '99

24 Sep '99

This event will commence in a week. Once again, here is the annoucement. -------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I appologize for duplicates. The next audit of the in-addr.arpa. tree will begin 01 october 1999. Since 1997, I've been walking the in-addr tree every quarter, looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. Queries will be from the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. Online summaries can be found at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html --bill --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: cisco AS5200 with V.90 modems...
by Steve Lang 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

Hiya. On Friday, 24 September 1999 04:07, Josh Bailey [SMTP:joshbailey(a)lucent.com] wrote: > To be fair to Cisco, if I understand your message correctly, your trial > did not actually involve the hardware you went live with. Yep. The difference in modem hardware and modem compatibility was out shadowed by the generic problems in the IOS that we experienced. At one stage, one cisco engineer suggested that the fact that the american models had an extra 2 modems than the maximum number of channels available to the NAS, vs. NZ, where the maximum # channels = total modems was masking quite a lot of the problems. Hence they seemed to not experience as many of the probs. in the US. The other major factor of course was that for the pilot, the 5200 had plenty of spare modems, and plenty of spare cpu. In reality, it was probably just a very bad pilot...... As for 5300's with MICA, they seem to work sweet as. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: cisco AS5200 with V.90 modems...
by Steve Lang 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

Hi. (Pls excuse, new to this list.) On Thursday, 23 September 1999 16:18, Josh Bailey [SMTP:joshbailey(a)lucent.com] wrote: > Unfortunately the only real way you will be able to tell, for any given > environment, is try it and see in a small scale, controlled trail. No > vendor can provide you with the proverbial rock-solid gaurantee that a > wildly hetreogenous populution of clients from many different > manufacturers, firmware versions, etc will respond well to a given > implementation. At my previous employer, we did that, with 5200 and Microcom v.34 (K56Flex not released by then.) All went well with 1 PRI from Clear dms100 and 1 fully equipped 5200. Ran perfectly. Put 3 x 5200's maxed out with Microcom 56K modems (but limited to v.34) and we went through 14 months of bug fixes and reloads and memory leaks and all sorts of shit. At one stage, the Telco switch was signalling the end of a call, and the NAS was ignoring it as it hadn't received a PPP or LAPM disconnect notice. This was of course fixed, memory leaks never were. Needless to say, the 5300's were actually much better when we trialled them, even with MICA. The point? I no no longer trust the accuracy of Pilot's. The pilot of 5200 went perfectly, the implementation was hell. Cheers - --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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0867
by Joe Abley 16 Sep '99

16 Sep '99

Possibly of negligable operational concern, but I thought it was newsworthy :) If it's old news, then my excuse is that I've been out of the country for a month, so give me a break :) http://www.clear.net.nz/new/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OReilly Book, DNS and Bind.
by Roger De Salis 16 Sep '99

16 Sep '99

Anyone on this list not have, or not have access to ...... DNS & Bind, Cricket Liu at al, OReilly, I know some may have bought it twice (4.x and 8.x) Anyone bought it more than twice..... Just my curiousity, no doubt there is some smart bugger out there who only uses the source... Rgds Roger -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Petition for .nz registry WHOIS server
by peter＠2day.com 14 Sep '99

14 Sep '99

NZNOG list subscribers REMINDER - please post your signed petition letter ASAP! As an organisation with an interest in the Internet in New Zealand you are invited to sign the attached letter requesting an industry standard WHOIS server for the .nz domain name registry. If you want to be a part of this initiative, please PRINT the letter, SIGN and POST the original to:- WHOIS petition 2Day Internet Limited P O Box 36 502 Northcote AUCKLAND We will forward your letter along with others in a single courier pak to ISOCNZ. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/-

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Petition for .nz registry WHOIS server
by peter＠2day.com 09 Sep '99

09 Sep '99

NZNOG list subscribers As an organisation with an interest in the Internet in New Zealand you are invited to sign the attached letter requesting an industry standard WHOIS server for the .nz domain name registry. If you want to be a part of this initiative, please PRINT the letter, SIGN and POST the original to:- WHOIS petition 2Day Internet Limited P O Box 36 502 Northcote AUCKLAND We will forward your letter along with others in a single courier pak to ISOCNZ. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/-

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had just over one hundred subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Petition for provision of WHOIS server for .nz
by Peter Mott 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

Its been several years since requests commenced for an industry standard WHOIS server providing public access to .nz registry data. We still do not have one. 2day.com is now preparing a petition to present to ISOCNZ requesting it direct the registry company to have an official .nz WHOIS server up and operating within 60 days. Internet providers and other interested organisations who are interested in signing such a petition are invited to write to me privately to obtain a copy of the document to sign and return to us for compilation. Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [ISOCNZ-L] Petition for provision of WHOIS server for .nz
by John Vorstermans 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

At 04:54 PM 07-09-99 +1200, Alan Brown wrote: >The fact that someone got peeved enough to hack up something to do the >job because DOMAINZ/ISOCNZ can't be bothered says much. Hey Alan... happy to take this to the council as I agree it is worth us doing. In fact it has been discussed and some policy which covers Zone Transfers, which has also been discussed in nznog, will need to incorporate such a service. This policy should be posted in the not-to-distant future. Look forward to receiving the Petition. Cheers John -- John Vorstermans || As the mind, so the man; Actrix Networks Limited || bondage or liberation are in Level 1, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington NZ || your own mind. Phone (021) 432-987 || Sanskrit saying. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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3q99 in-addr.arpa walk, first notice
by bmanning＠flag.ep.net 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

Hi, I appologize for duplicates. The next audit of the in-addr.arpa. tree will begin 01 october 1999. Since 1997, I've been walking the in-addr tree every quarter, looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. Queries will be from the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. Online summaries can be found at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html --bill --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: nz99.waikato.ac.nz
by Rex Croft, 07 838 4597 29 Aug '99

29 Aug '99

The outage of ns99.waikato.ac.nz was not unexpected. But the length of the outage *was* unexpected. The University had to power down some of its comms gear at 4am Sunday so the power could be changed to a different phase on our UPS (we have a bad phase inbalance). Some machines had a previous history of not liking the main IP switch being powered off, especially those Intel boxes with DEC ethernet cards. And Domainz2 (aka ns99) is one of those. It took a long time to get ns99 working because it seemed to be destroying switch ports. Several switch ports had to be tried before one was found that ns99 liked :-) . I would like to point out that the only time connectivity to ns99 is critical is about 4:30pm each working day when the zone file are reloaded. At all other times ns99 has the secondary nameservers of *.nz backing it up. - Rex Croft ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:26:58 +1200 From: Chris Wedgwood <cw(a)f00f.org> Subject: nz99.waikato.ac.nz Looks like nz99.waikato.ac.nz is hosed -- any idea who gets called to restart this? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nz99.waikato.ac.nz
by Chris Wedgwood 28 Aug '99

28 Aug '99

Looks like nz99.waikato.ac.nz is hosed -- any idea who gets called to restart this? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: scheduled work on NZIX 4-6AM Sunday morning, August 29,1999
by Dennis Su 23 Aug '99

23 Aug '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Su > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 4:21 PM > To: Brett Telfer (E-mail); Joe Abley (E-mail); Kishor Morar (E-mail); > Phillip Lindsay (E-mail); Sreenivas Katta (E-mail); Steve Dodd (E-mail); > Tony Wicks (E-mail); Peter Wilson (E-mail); Steve Dodd (E-mail); Rowan > Smith (E-mail); Stan Y (E-mail); 'grwom(a)telstra.co.nz' > Subject: scheduled work from 4-6AM Sunday morning, August 29,1999 > > Hi, > > University of Waikato will be changing the phase of power of the rack > where NZIX switches are housed( not ISPs' equipment) to reduce the load. > Because of the redundant configuration of NZIX, we would be able to > maintain the network availability of NZIX but inevitably it will cause the > short outage when the customers' equipments are repatched to the redundant > NZIX switch and when they are connected back to the primary NZIX switch. > It would cause less than 40 seconds for each patching for each ISP router. > It will occur during 4-6AM Sunday, August 29 1999. Sorry for any > inconvenience it may cause. > > Regards, > Dennis > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Clear advertising International routes on NZIX
by Tony Wicks 19 Aug '99

19 Aug '99

I would like an explanation as to why Clear ( It looks like it was just fixed ) was advertising international routes in Waikato - router-hn#sh ip route www.cnn.com Translating "www.cnn.com"...domain server (140.200.128.13) (130.217.64.3) [OK] Routing entry for 207.25.71.0/24 Known via "ospf 1", distance 110, metric 10 Tag 2828, type extern 2, forward metric 10 Redistributing via ospf 1 Last update from 140.200.128.18 on Ethernet0, 11:20:10 ago Routing Descriptor Blocks: * 140.200.128.18, from 203.167.226.150, 11:20:10 ago, via Ethernet0 Route metric is 10, traffic share count is 1 [tonyw(a)wet tonyw]$ nslookup 140.200.128.18 Server: nscache1.iconz.co.nz Address: 210.48.65.2 Name: clearfr.nzix.waikato.ac.nz Address: 140.200.128.18 This caused a major outage on my network due to the routing tables filling up the available memory on some of my smaller routers. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom ATM Fubar.
by James Tyson 18 Aug '99

18 Aug '99

I, personally, would love to extend a hefty handshake of congratulations to David Dix and his cohorts for completely rooting the Telecom ATM network causing several major outages for myself and Simon Lyall to deal with. You guys get the "plonker admin of the month award" for this month. no default-information in no default-information out Cheers. James Tyson -- Engineering Supervisor - The Internet Group. Friends don't let friends do *BSD --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Assistance Required with survey of Internet survey
by Andy Lake 17 Aug '99

17 Aug '99

Frank You can send it to me, although if its as large as they suggest, we cant gaurantee it will be answered. My only question (that I hope will be answered in the info that will be sent) is what is the objective of the study and therefore why should we participate? BTW I'm away for three week from Friday, so will need to receive the info tomorrow. Rgds andy > -- > Andy Lake > Manager, Internet Services, CLEAR Communications Ltd > Tel +64 9 9124616, Fax +64 9 9125008, Mob 021 650017 > ISP http://www.clear.net.nz/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank March [SMTP:Frank.March(a)moc.govt.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 1999 16:16 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: Mark Holman > Subject: Assistance Required with survey of Internet survey > > Folks: > > You may recall the APEC TEL study on Internet costs that I have raised on > a > small number of occasions. This is now known as ICAIS (for: International > Charging Arrangements for Internet Services) and is proceeding. The group > conducting the study are to issue a survey and we need 5 people from major > ISPs in NZ to volunteer to assist by completing a pilot study in fairly > short order (before mid September). There will be more responses sought > at > a later date. I have appended a copy of the original message below. > > I would appreciate anyone prepared to assist to contact me directly and I > will pass the contact details on. I guess we need (if possible) someone > from Telecom/Xtra; Clear; IHUG; Voyager and at least one more. > > Here is the original message sent to our APEC TEL delegate or 'point of > contact' (POC), Mark Holman: > > <quote> > From: Vernon VASU(a)TAS.GOV.SG on 17/08/99 08:37 AM > > Hi Mark, > > Have to bother you for 2 things - > > 1. ICAIS - its coming along and we are in the survey phase. The > questionnaire > will come out shortly. Its pretty hefty and we would need some responses > in > time > for TEL20, where a prelim report will be given - so we are looking for a > 2 > stage approach towards gathering data. The 1st stage is to get about 5 > responses > from each economy in time for TEL20 and then more later. > > Because the questionnaire is quite large, we don't want to spring it on > anyone > unannounced, and on top of that, they might have questions as well. So the > plan > that Richard Thwaites, the consultants and I came up with is to request > that > POCs obtain the contact details of persons in a position to respond in 5 > of > the > biggest ISPs in their economy and pass them to the consultants through me. > When > the quesionnaire goes out, the POC would then send it to the 5 people. > ccing > the > consultants, who will follow-up with them. Does this sound ok with you? > Sorry to > spring this on you so soon after you have got back. > <end quote> > <second point deleted> > > Your attention is appreciated! > > Frank March > Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group > Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ > Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Assistance Required with survey of Internet survey
by Frank March 17 Aug '99

17 Aug '99

Folks: You may recall the APEC TEL study on Internet costs that I have raised on a small number of occasions. This is now known as ICAIS (for: International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services) and is proceeding. The group conducting the study are to issue a survey and we need 5 people from major ISPs in NZ to volunteer to assist by completing a pilot study in fairly short order (before mid September). There will be more responses sought at a later date. I have appended a copy of the original message below. I would appreciate anyone prepared to assist to contact me directly and I will pass the contact details on. I guess we need (if possible) someone from Telecom/Xtra; Clear; IHUG; Voyager and at least one more. Here is the original message sent to our APEC TEL delegate or 'point of contact' (POC), Mark Holman: <quote> From: Vernon VASU(a)TAS.GOV.SG on 17/08/99 08:37 AM Hi Mark, Have to bother you for 2 things - 1. ICAIS - its coming along and we are in the survey phase. The questionnaire will come out shortly. Its pretty hefty and we would need some responses in time for TEL20, where a prelim report will be given - so we are looking for a 2 stage approach towards gathering data. The 1st stage is to get about 5 responses from each economy in time for TEL20 and then more later. Because the questionnaire is quite large, we don't want to spring it on anyone unannounced, and on top of that, they might have questions as well. So the plan that Richard Thwaites, the consultants and I came up with is to request that POCs obtain the contact details of persons in a position to respond in 5 of the biggest ISPs in their economy and pass them to the consultants through me. When the quesionnaire goes out, the POC would then send it to the 5 people. ccing the consultants, who will follow-up with them. Does this sound ok with you? Sorry to spring this on you so soon after you have got back. <end quote> <second point deleted> Your attention is appreciated! Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 10 Aug '99

10 Aug '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had a little over ninety subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [APE-DISCUSS] APE going live!
by Joe Abley 09 Aug '99

09 Aug '99

In case anybody here isn't subscribed to the APE list, and is interested, the first production routes were exchanged over the neutral peering point in Auckland's Sky Tower today, between Plain Communications and CLEAR. On Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 12:03:21PM +1200, Matthew Grant wrote: > Hi There! > > IF you want to know who I am, I am the Network Administrator for Plain > Communications (http://www.plain.co.nz/) an ISP down in Christchurch. > > We are on the APE, and are just conducting initial BGP pairing trials > with Clear. They are going satisfactorily, and we will be initiating > full peering with them probably this afternoon, if not tomorrow. > > My primary motivation for this announcement is to encourage you all, > and to get things moving along. > > If you are ready to peer with us on APE, or if you wish to please get > back to me as we are ready for it. > > Plain Communications carries approx. 150 of New Zealand's National > WWW sites, which is probably a significant proportion of the National > total of larger WWW sites (I am trying to exclude personal home pages > here). > > I hope that this is helpful. Thank you for all your support in making > APE possible. > > Cheers, > > Matthew Grant > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Matthew Grant Email: matthewg(a)plain.co.nz > Network Manager, Plain Communications Phone: +64 3 3645888 > PO Box 7578, Christchurch, New Zealand Fax: +64 3 3645835 > - > This message was sent via APE-DISCUSS. To unsubscribe, send a message > containing the line "unsubscribe ape-discuss" to majordomo(a)patho.gen.nz. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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SunOS 4.1.3 -Reply
by Donald Neal 09 Aug '99

09 Aug '99

>>> "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)patho.gen.nz> 8/August/1999 02:02pm >>> >Hi, >Anybody still have SunOS 4.1.3 media hanging around that they no >longer want? >Joe Hmm. Who's got a legacy network now, then? '/' Donald Neal Network Minion Telecom --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: SunOS 4.1.3 -Reply
by Michael White 09 Aug '99

09 Aug '99

Canada has .... Michael White Multimedia Product Manager CLEAR Communications Limited mailto:mwhite(a)clear.co.nz http://www.clear.net.nz Ph. 64 9 912 4659 -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 8:31 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: SunOS 4.1.3 -Reply >>> "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)patho.gen.nz> 8/August/1999 02:02pm >>> >Hi, >Anybody still have SunOS 4.1.3 media hanging around that they no >longer want? >Joe Hmm. Who's got a legacy network now, then? '/' Donald Neal Network Minion Telecom --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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SunOS 4.1.3
by Joe Abley 07 Aug '99

07 Aug '99

Hi, Anybody still have SunOS 4.1.3 media hanging around that they no longer want? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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domestic congestion?
by Peter Mott 29 Jul '99

29 Jul '99

We are experiencing an unusally high number of reports from customers connecting to CLEAR and XTRA having performance problems FTP'ing to our web servers. Worst times seem to be late afternoon and late at night. Given that our 2Mbps link to Netgate is idling along, one expects there are some issues between afore mention providers and Netgate. It was not uncommon to get the occasional report from an IHUG customer, but it seems CLEAR and XTRA have joined in :-) I dont have any traces as yet, just customer service stats recording large jump in calls on this topic. Anybody have any knowledge / facts that may explain above? Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ape.net.nz
by Joe Abley 28 Jul '99

28 Jul '99

Good lord, what a lot of nameservers :) I have chosen a selection from the replies I got -- I thought twenty nameservers for a single zone was probably over the top, and the selection below gives good diversity between different NZ networks. These were pretty much the first replies I got back. ns1.citylink.co.nz (203.97.231.226) [SOA] ns1.netlink.co.nz (202.20.93.10) ns1.clear.net.nz (203.97.33.14) ns1.ihug.net.nz (203.29.160.4) The zone should be ready for transfer from 203.97.231.226 right now. Thanks for all the other people who offered nameservice for the zone. I'll certainly keep you in mind next time I want something for free :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Volunteers for nameservice, please: ape.net.nz
by Joe Abley 28 Jul '99

28 Jul '99

[to nznog, bcc'd to ape-discuss, sorry for duplicates] I am about to ask ISOCNZ to arrange the ape.net.nz domain for the benefit of the community, for use relating to the Auckland Peering Exchange. We need volunteers for: + primary nameservice; someone needs to be the main point of contact for adding records to the zone + secondary nameservice; it would be nice to have a few secondary nameservers around the place. If you'd like to be involved, please contact me directly -- I'd like to get a list of nameservers organised quickly so I can approach ISOCNZ with instructions for getting the zone live. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Could someone help this person? -Reply
by Donald Neal 28 Jul '99

28 Jul '99

>>> "Russell Street" <russells(a)auckland.ac.nz> 28/July/1999 08:31pm >>> >I don't know if this was sent to a lot of people or not, but am >forwarding it to here because I don't have more than a rough idea >about the answer. >Russell I get questions like this from time to time. Requests for historical information I refer to http://www.waikato.ac.nz/cache/www5/ and http://www.auckland.ac.nz/net/Accounting/nze.html . As to the current state of New Zealand's IP backbone I tell people there isn't one, though a number of corporates, including ISP's, operate their own medium- and long-distance links using point-to-point services provided by telcos. If anyone has an improvement on that answer, I'd be keen to hear about it. - Donald Neal ----- Forwarded message from Wdy ----- ~From woody(a)paradise.net.nz Tue Jul 27 08:19 NZS 1999 ~Message-ID: <000c01bed7a3$f224ed60$4a9460cb(a)woody> ~From: "Wdy" <woody(a)paradise.net.nz> ~To: <r.street(a)auckland.ac.nz> ~Subject: hi ~Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:17:54 +1200 [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] As an student I'm doing an assignment on the backbone structure available to New Zealand however I'm finding it hard to find any information the topic I have the data on the Gateway into NZ but there are surely more backbone structures than that network please have you any information on this topic any help would be greatly appreciated. thank you Alistair Wood --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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6bone
by Joe Abley 28 Jul '99

28 Jul '99

Hey, Anybody want some transit to the 6bone? I have a test router configured with IPv6 tunnels to Sprint, cisco and BT, and I'm keen to play with it. Some links: http://www.6bone.net/ http://www.cisco.com/ipv6/ http://www.kame.net/ http://www.ipv6.nrl.navy.mil/ipv6+ipsec/ http://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/html/ Let me know if you're interested. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Could someone help this person?
by Russell Street 27 Jul '99

27 Jul '99

I don't know if this was sent to a lot of people or not, but am forwarding it to here because I don't have more than a rough idea about the answer. Russell ----- Forwarded message from Wdy ----- ~From woody(a)paradise.net.nz Tue Jul 27 08:19 NZS 1999 ~Message-ID: <000c01bed7a3$f224ed60$4a9460cb(a)woody> ~From: "Wdy" <woody(a)paradise.net.nz> ~To: <r.street(a)auckland.ac.nz> ~Subject: hi ~Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:17:54 +1200 [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] As an student I'm doing an assignment on the backbone structure available to New Zealand however I'm finding it hard to find any information the topic I have the data on the Gateway into NZ but there are surely more backbone structures than that network please have you any information on this topic any help would be greatly appreciated. thank you Alistair Wood --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ISP for sale in Australia/Sydney
by William W. Xin 27 Jul '99

27 Jul '99

An ISP located in Sydney for sale. Several thousand customers. Interested party please respond privately. Thanks. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Could someone help this person? -Reply -Reply
by Donald Neal 27 Jul '99

27 Jul '99

>>> "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> 29/July/1999 09:20am >>> >How about "The New Zealand Internet Backbone consists of multiple >interconnected STM-16 (2.5Gbit/s) SDH rings operated by CLEAR >Communications Ltd over their fibre-optic network, to which other >providers like Telecom NZ connect their legacy copper networks >at strategic points" Now, now. Let's keep INCIS out of this. [|:) - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Large Bolts of Electricity
by Joe Abley 20 Jul '99

20 Jul '99

Apparently of operational interest to at least one ISP in Auckland. http://www.patho.gen.nz/~jabley/MVC-103F.JPG Fifteen strikes this morning, apparently. We saw two of them clearly on the way to work this morning, and can confirm that they were Really Cool :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ns99.waikato.ac.nz not restarted
by Patrick O'Brien 16 Jul '99

16 Jul '99

Peter, Thanks. I've spoken with Waikato and they are investigating. I will update once I have more details. My regards, Patrick ************** -----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [SMTP:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 2:20 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: ns99.waikato.ac.nz not restarted Looks like DOMAINZ may have chosen not to restart ns99.waikato.ac.nz on Friday night. We have 23 names registered in Friday, which have yet to be delegated to our name servers. Anybody know anything about this. There is no after hours contact for them, so assume we have to wait until Monday to resolve. Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ns99.waikato.ac.nz not restarted
by Peter Mott 16 Jul '99

16 Jul '99

Looks like DOMAINZ may have chosen not to restart ns99.waikato.ac.nz on Friday night. We have 23 names registered in Friday, which have yet to be delegated to our name servers. Anybody know anything about this. There is no after hours contact for them, so assume we have to wait until Monday to resolve. Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Delegation of IPv6 address space
by Patrick O'Brien 14 Jul '99

14 Jul '99

FYI, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: IANA [SMTP:iana(a)isi.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 7:32 AM To: iana-announce(a)isi.edu Cc: 'iana' Subject: Delegation of IPv6 address space Internet Community, After much discussion concerning the policy guidelines for the deployment of IPv6 addresses, in addition to the years of technical development done throughout the Internet community, the IANA has delegated the initial IPv6 address space to the regional registries in order to begin immediate worldwide deployment of IPv6 addresses. We would like to thank the current Regional Internet Registries (RIR) for their invaluable work in the construction of the policy guidelines, which seem to have general consensus from the Internet community. We would also like to thank the efforts of the IETF community and the support of the IAB in making this effort a reality. If you have further questions concerning this issue, please contact your RIR, or you may also contact the IANA at iana(a)iana.org. The policy guidelines can be found online at one of the Regional Internet Registries: http://www.apnic.net http://www.arin.net http://www.ripe.net This is an historic moment in the continued development of the Internet. Thank you for your valuable support and participation in the Internet community. Josh Elliott On Behalf of the IANA Staff --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Job Vacancy
by Chris Wedgwood 08 Jul '99

08 Jul '99

Internet System Engineer: Compass Communications are a NZ owned and operated Telecommunications carrier who operate voice, fax, data and Internet networks. We are looking for a highly motivated person who can operate well in a small team of network specialists based in our Auckland office. Applicants should have a good knowledge of UNIX (squid, bind and sendmail), Cisco routers, network experience, and PC hardware. Experience with Windows networking and database's, TCP/IP and C programming would be advantageous. If you feel you have the skills required please forward your resume to: Network Operations Manager Compass Communications Ltd PO Box 2533 Auckland Or Email smccarthy(a)compass.net.nz http://www.compass.net.nz/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Can I get away with placing a Job Vacancy Add here?
by Chris Wedgwood 07 Jul '99

07 Jul '99

What do people think, can I get away with placing a job vacancy advertisement here? There doesn't appear to be anything in the "Acceptable Use Policy" that should prohibit this provided this be a technical network operators type add vacancy... Objections anyone? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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re: Networking Test
by Donald Neal 06 Jul '99

06 Jul '99

Oh, that article. I'm sorry, you were expecting insight? I must admit, I forced myself read the article since it was on a subject relevant to me, but found it content free. If this is not a usual occurrence for you Joe, can you tell me what news publications you sub_scribe to? Please? I do wonder if Graeme Rowe recognised the statements he made when he read the article afterwards. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 "We were taken to our hotel which was called "Construction by Fitzpatrick & Sons'" -- Spike Milligan --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Networking Test
by Warwick Glendenning 06 Jul '99

06 Jul '99

Joe Not sure what point you are trying to make? Don't the press use a lot of license anyway no matter what someone says. Or have I missed something ... Warwick -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)patho.gen.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 1999 23:46 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Networking Test Check this out: http://www.idg.co.nz/nzweb/e7b6.html and see how many mistakes you can spot. I make it 38040, not including grammatical errors. Is this a record? :) Favourite quote: "AT&T is a variation of what we're doing with IPNet and Lanlink," Rowe says. Al Gore has nothing on Telecom NZ :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Networking Test
by Joe Abley 06 Jul '99

06 Jul '99

Check this out: http://www.idg.co.nz/nzweb/e7b6.html and see how many mistakes you can spot. I make it 38040, not including grammatical errors. Is this a record? :) Favourite quote: "AT&T is a variation of what we're doing with IPNet and Lanlink," Rowe says. Al Gore has nothing on Telecom NZ :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 05 Jul '99

05 Jul '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had around ninety subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month. The non-working address j.houlker(a)waikato.ac.nz was recently removed from the list. John is very welcome to resubscribe with a working address.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APE Update
by Joe Abley 03 Jul '99

03 Jul '99

Hi all, Things have been rather quiet on all this stuff for a while, so I thought I'd have a go at inciting some discussion. First, on a practical note -- despite the vaguaries of slipping network provisioning timescales and a million other things that have conspired to prevent it, CLEAR's ethernet switch should be live on L48, Sky Tower, early next week (the installer is telling me "Tuesday"). As I think I've mentioned before, CLEAR is not installing routers at the APE, but is rather will remote connect two major border routers to other exchange participants' equipment using an ethernet switch in the tower, and a 155M ATM drop back to Symonds Street. As soon as the switch is live, people are more than welcome to arrange a connection to it (contact me). Second, I read Richard's APE announcement on this (and other lists), and saw the articles in ComputerWorld, and was a little concerned about the picture that was painted. It seems to me that the Auckland Peering Exchange is an initiative which involves: + network operators + bilateral agreements between those operators + a colocation site and facilitator + individual agreements between operators and that facilitator + some means of connecting the operators together in a network sense Citylink have offered one method of connecting operators together in the tower, in the from of a managed ethernet switch. However, some of the press about this ignores the first four points above, and presumes that Citylink == APE. I have also heard from some Auckland operators who are confused at the apparent transition of the APE from a cooperative proposal to a commercial operation run by a single provider (Citylink). Note that I'm not trying to bash Richard's effort in this area -- far from it, I think what Citylink are proposing (as usual) is good. However, I think it is important to appreciate that once operators have arranged colo with JDA, and have installed their equipment in the tower, they are free to connect to other providers by whatever means suits them. Citylink do not have a monopoly on connectivity on the 48th floor. Joe [Sent to ape-discuss mailing list; bcc'd to nznog -- to subscribe to ape-discuss send "subscribe ape-discuss" to majordomo(a)patho.gen.nz] --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mirrors
by Joe Abley 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

Hi all, I'm doing a bit of a review on some of the sites we're mirroring on ftp.clear.net.nz, in an attempt to keep the disk utilisation a little more under control. We're currently pulling down a bunch of things; the main disk-consumers are: ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD (4M without packages or 2.x) ftp.openbsd.org:/pub/OpenBSD (1M, 2.5 only) ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux (5M without "software" tree) ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat (5M without srpms, 5.2 + 6.0 only) ftp.debian.org:/debian (6M without potato) Now, it seems to me that there's little point in mirroring content if there are other people in NZ already doing it -- for example, if there was a good debian mirror somewhere else, I'd be happy to replace the CLEAR Net debian mirror with a text file which says "see ftp.xxxx.yy.nz for this mirror" if it meant I could pull something else down that wasn't already in the country (like NetBSD, which was there but which I removed to make space for everything else). So, here's the question: does anybody know of other locations in NZ where the archives above are already mirrored? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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0867 dial plans - Telecom and the Internet
by Roger De Salis 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

Subject: [ISOCNZ-COUNCIL] Telecom Update Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:23:19 +1200 From: "Sue Leader" <netwoman(a)one2one.co.nz> Reply-To: Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz CC: isocnz-members(a)isocnz.org.nz Greetings all You may remember that ISOCNZ was waiting until we met with Telecom representatives and got some core questions answered before taking a position on the Internet Access Pricing Changes/0867 number introduction. After a series of delays Telecom managed to get the right group of people together at the same time and place, and the ISOCNZ delegation met with those representatives on last Friday (June 25). The meeting was productive, with answers being provided to almost all our questions. In addition, ISOCNZ was able to negotiate some favorable outcomes for our stakeholders. So why the delay in letting you know? Telecom undertook to supplement our notes of the meeting with written responses by close of day yesterday (Tuesday 29). As soon as these arrive we will make them available on the web-site. In the meantime we have decided to publish the written questions which ISOCNZ provided to Telecom on June 13 - fifteen days before the meeting. These questions were compiled from questions supplied by our stakeholders, primarily via the isocnz-l list. As the timeframe dragged out, the Council took the opportunity to refine the questions into subject groupings which would allow the topics to be more easily covered during the space of the meeting. Telecom had these questions several days in advance, as well as the original list of 33 questions. Both sets of questions are linked from: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/issues.html On a happier note - the Media Releases page has been updated recently and includes information on the appointment of two NZers to International Internet Governance Bodies - Peter Dengate Thrush and Andy Linton. The media didn't really pick up on this story and I felt we needed to celebrate their achievements - to read all about it - please reload the Media Releases page at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/pressrels.html Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "ERROR 406: file corrupt: config.earth -- reboot universe? (Y/N)" -- All information contained in this message is confidential to members of the ISOCNZ Council -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[bmanning@ISI.EDU: DEW #3 - 48 hours]
by Joe Abley 28 Jun '99

28 Jun '99

----- Forwarded message from bmanning(a)ISI.EDU ----- Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu From: bmanning(a)ISI.EDU Posted-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DEW #3 - 48 hours To: those-concerned-with-operational-integrity(a)ISI.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bmanning(a)ISI.EDU X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0] Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu X-Loop: nanog Hi, I appologize for duplicates. Its almost time for the next quarterly walk of the inverse tree of the DNS. For the last few quarters, I've been walking the in-addr tree looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. The expectation is that they will be the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 Past data is at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html The run is scheduled to start 01 July 1999 @ 00:01 UTC. If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. -- bill manning 310.822.1511 ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ operators address book
by Joe Abley 23 Jun '99

23 Jun '99

I have thrown something up to get the ball rolling. It's pretty cheap and nasty, be warned :) http://www.patho.gen.nz/nznog/contact.html You will need a username and password to get in, since the idea is that this address book has personal contact details rather than generic helpdesky ones where possible. Mail me with a username and password, and I'll set you up. Additionally, you might like to send me contact details (name, e-mail, phone, fax where available/appropriate) for the following categories: o Usenet o Abuse (annoying) o Abuse (panic) o Routing anomolies o BGP filter updates o Network peering o Cache peering o Cables cut o Building access o Policy There's also a "Notes" category for other misc info (the CLEAR entry has "Route policy in RADB" there). Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Y2K stuff.
by Roger De Salis 22 Jun '99

22 Jun '99

I've received an approach from a Malaysian ISP, wishing to contact their NZ equivalents, as the clocks turnover to '00. I would guess there there will be others, who are interested in how NZ is faring, and potentially use the 6, or 8, or 17 hours of leeway they have productively in the event of some unforeseen problem. I would rather not have the entire worlds ISP support staff phone their counterparts in NZ to enquire "How it going?". Given the fact many of them will simply want to silently observe that there is no problem, what is the best way to go about this? Let them subscribe to the nog? Form a special NOG for the brown-out period 11/99-1/00? Suggest that no-one in NZ really cares about the rest of the world, and they can all....... Appoint Peter Mott as a Y2K spokesman? and direct all enquiries to him? Any one any other suggestions? Many Thanks. Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Y2K stuff.
by Robert Gray 22 Jun '99

22 Jun '99

Roger wrote, > Given the fact many of them will simply want to silently > observe that there is no problem, what is the best way > to go about this? The Y2K Commisiion wish to do just this on their web site, we are working with them on ways to minimise the probability of down time (basically geograpic dispersal and minimum dependence on proprietary code). Give me a call and I'll put you in touch.... Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Contact Numbers [was: Y2K stuff]
by Robert Gray 22 Jun '99

22 Jun '99

>Just an idea -- any comments? Good scheme Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Naylor [mailto:richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 1999 18:08 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: jabley(a)clear.co.nz Subject: Re: Contact Numbers [was: Y2K stuff] At 04:44 pm 22/06/99 +1200, Joe Abley wrote: >On a more tedious, on-topic note, is anybody else interested in keeping >a central repository of contact e-mail addresses and phone numbers for >NZ net ops? Not for consumption by the general public, but maybe stuck >on a web page somewhere behind a crude password? > Yes - I'm keen. My black book is falling to pieces..... >I was thinking in terms of contacts for categories, like: > > + usenet feed-tweaking > + abuse notification > + routing strangeness > + network peering > + proxy peering + cables cut + bills not paid + stuffed routers >The idea is to provide a list of second-tier and third-tier support >to our counterparts in other providers, so that we don't end up having >to do battle with the helpdesk IVR at 3am when something nasty just >happened. > >Just an idea -- any comments? > You mean you don't like me phoning you cos yours is the only cell phone number in Clear I have ? Maybe thats why all the others don't give me numbers ........ Actually I have a page for the members of WIX and will do something similar for APE. rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Make an us an offer we can't refuse
by Andy Linton 21 Jun '99

21 Jun '99

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BGP filtering
by Joe Abley 09 Jun '99

09 Jun '99

Hi all, CLEAR publishes its routing policy in the RADB. Just out of interest, do any of our peers pull our policy from there in order to build filter lists? If so, how often do you do it? I ask because it seems that some of our advertisements are not being accepted by some peers; naturally the games players have been the first ones to notice and point this out :) If anybody would like a pre-built, up-to-date filter list for cisco routers (for advertisements from AS4768 routers only), please drop me a line. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Facility available for APE
by Richard Naylor 08 Jun '99

08 Jun '99

CityLink would like to announce the availability of a peering facility on Level 48 of the Sky Tower in Auckland. This will be a neutral peering facility using an ethernet switch supported with a local unix box and UPS. The unix box will run mrtg for traffic statistics and NOCMON for port monitoring. Statistics will be available to peering users on their ports only on application. Users will be able to establish bilateral peering arrangements or in conjunction with users, we will establish a unilateral peering facility. The unix box will also offer a route server and reflector along with an AS number for users who may not currently have an AS of their own. CityLink will also operate an independent (pre-CIDR) address space for users to use for unilateral peering. The facility will be managed from Wellington using CityLink's established 24x7 support facility. Local hands on support will be sub-contracted to a local supplier. Access to the facility is available for a connection fee of $750.00 + GST and a monthly support fee of $62.50. Customer ports will be restricted to a limited number of MAC addresses to ensure some degree of security between customers. CityLink is a Network Operator based in Wellington with a large IP network based on a 40km fiber cable network. It operates the neutral Wellington Internet Exchange with approximately 12 connected Internet Service Providers. Its network has approximately 20 switches installed in a distributed switching fabric. Q1 - Why are you doing this ? CityLink has experience in neutral switching and IX operations in high bandwidth applications. CityLink operates a MAC based metropolitan area network with multiple ISPs Q2. Will there be a link between the Wellington IX and APE ? The ISP community provides this connectivity at the present time. It is not expected that CityLink will provide this facility. Q3. Does this mean that CityLink will be operating a network in Auckland ? No. We see that we can add value and experience in operating a neutral exchange in Auckland. Q4 - Aren't you scared of heights ? 48 Floors ? YES. Power poles ? No. Q5 - What will be there ? A 6 foot rack with nice gear in it. At this stage the rack has a UPS and Unix box and a small switch. The switch will grow as traffic and port requirements demand. Q6 - Where will spares be held ? Spare and hardware service will be provided locally in Auckland. Q7 - I want to join - How do I get signed up or find out more ? Send email to info(a)citylink.co.nz or phone 04-917-0200 Q8 - When will the service be live ? We expect to be installed and operating by 20 June 1999. Q9 - What sort of switch will be in APE ? At this stage we have a Cisco ethernet switch in the cabinet. We are talking with other suppliers about what options are available. Our experience is that we often grow a switch capacity as demand rises. We have a number of switches in Wellington and swap them out as the port count requires. (we have yet to see a bandwidth limitation) Q10 - Why are you charging ? We are charging on a simple cost recovery basis. We feel that if the peering point is free then it is abused. If a charge is levied then users will appreciate that management is applied to the exchange. CityLink is not a huge organisation and needs to recover some of its costs. The costs mentioned above should not be a barrier to likely user organisations. [ends] richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DNS issues. BIND 8.2
by dylan＠ihug.co.nz 03 Jun '99

03 Jun '99

After much to-ing and fro-ing we are coming to the end of our collective teathers. Since Sunday morning (last Sunday) morning at around 8am we have been having an odd problem with our primary nameserver, ns1.ihug.net.nz (203.29.160.4). It goes something like this, nameserver is doing it's thing happily, when for no apparent reason it just stops responding to named requests for a short time and then a while later starts going again. For obvious reasons this is a major problem. And we can find nothing that is causing this. The symptoms: o Server stops responding to named queries. o At one stage it appeared that when constantly pinging it the TTL would change from 64 to 255 for the exact same duration that the nameserver was affected. I am unable to confirm that this is still the case. o The outages appear to be for exactly 2 or 3 minutes to the seccond. (Maybe other durations?) o At the same time this is happening we are getting "Possible syn flood" messages from various IP addresses (they don't seem to be related). It is my understanding that at about the same time (Sunday) that CLEAR, Waikato and possible Telecom/Xtra had a similar problems (I am not sure where this information comes from or how accurate it is), but are no longer. What we have done: o We swapped our nameservers around, this seems to solve the problem however, it affects our practical ability to control zones etc... o New software installations. The box affected had recently been rebuilt before the incident, and we did not suspect it was a software issue, but rebuilt anyhow. It has affected both Slackware and Debian installations with BIND 8.1.2 and BIND 8.2. Conclusions: o It only occurs when then machine is on 203.29.160.4 and is acting as a master. It does not affect slaves on that IP and does not affect masters on another IP. o Hardware is not a fault - We have used more than one physical machine. The effects did not change. o It appears the the nameserver itself stops during that time. Incoming traffic still reaches the box, but none goes out. Also for the duration there seems to be no nameserver logging. Short completely changing our nameserver infrastrucure we are at a loss as to what we can do. Probable solutions: o None - Goddammit! Any ideas? Dylan Reeve DDI: +64 9 359-2746 Assistant DNS Admin Fax: +64 9 358-5134 ihug business Freecall: 0800 847-638 http://www.ihug.co.nz/ Email: dylan(a)ihug.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DEW alert
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 01 Jun '99

01 Jun '99

Hi, I appologize for duplicates. Its almost time for the next quarterly walk of the inverse tree of the DNS. For the last few quarters, I've been walking the in-addr tree looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. The expectation is that they will be the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 Past data is at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html The run is scheduled to start 01 July 1999. If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. -- bill --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Auckland Peering Exchange
by Joe Abley 31 May '99

31 May '99

Hi, The state of play would seem to be as follows: o CLEAR's provisioning people tell me that our racks will be complete (and our transmission network between Symonds Street and the Tower will be tested and ready for service) by the end of next week. o CLEAR will have 24 ports of 10baseT available as soon as everything else is ready, and we're happy to donate ports to other providers in the interests of getting things up and running. These ports will be physically in one of the CLEAR cabinets on L48, but we can run copper to other cabinets on request. o I'm hoping to have a stratum-1 (well, GPS-fed) NTP source installed in the tower some time relatively soon, which exchange participants will be most welcome to chime off. o Sky have at least one community cabinet available now on L48. o I have had two offers of donated ethernet switches. o I have had one offer of exchange management. My nosey enquiries seem to suggest that there are at least six or so providers who are in the closing stages of organising a presence in the Tower (or who already have one). There are issues to discuss, including: o Numbering; o Suitability of any particular vendors' offered free switches; o Are we happy to have multiple switches, owned/operated by different organisations, all bridged together to form the exchange media? o Suitability of any particular organisation's offered exchange management; o Exchange acceptable-use guidelines. To avoid cluttering the NZNOG list with matters specific to the APE (and in accordance with the current vogue in list proliferation), I have created a couple of APE-specific mailing lists: ape-discuss ape-announce To subscribe, send a message containing the line subscribe listname to listmanager(a)patho.gen.nz, cleverly substituting the list name for "listname". Archives are available by e-mail and on the web at http://www.patho.gen.nz/list/ If these lists aren't of any use (and/or people prefer to use the NZNOG list for this) that's fine, I'll remove them. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 May '99

31 May '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had over eighty subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Annoying email addresses
by Michael Newbery 30 May '99

30 May '99

-- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 >>> "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.com> - 31/5/99 10:57 AM >>> >Does anybody know of the use of an ampersand character in an e-mail address >is accepted as ok? > >him&her(a)isp.com > >I would have thought it quite bad form, but these larger free email services >seem to allow almost anything ascii in an email address these days. The >only reason I have a problem is I have a script somewhere in my world of >technology that does not like them, and being Monday morning, I cant find it No sympathy I'm afraid. From RFC822: address = mailbox ; one addressee / group ; named list mailbox = addr-spec ; simple address / phrase route-addr ; name & addr-spec addr-spec = local-part "@" domain ; global address local-part = word *("." word) ; uninterpreted ; case-preserved word = atom / quoted-string atom = 1*<any CHAR except specials, SPACE and CTLs> CHAR = <any ASCII character> ; ( 0-177, 0.-127.) specials = "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" ; Must be in quoted- / "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> ; string, to use / "." / "[" / "]" ; within a word. Ampersand is not a 'special', so it's quite legal. When you find your script I hope you'll make sure it also copes with something . (note the white space and the comment (comments can nest) between the atoms) like-this* . "Is quite legal #@!!" @ liberals.are.us :-) The good news is that when you get down to it, it's very easy to write a parser for rfc822, if you base it on the production rules. BTW, pp 30-31 of RFC821 do not narrow the definition of address. In fact, rfc821/rfc822 are TOO restrictive, predating as they do UNICODE. There is no way to include non-Roman, or indeed accented characters, in an address, and no extension mechanism akin to HTML's %nn. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Annoying email addresses -Reply
by Donald Neal 30 May '99

30 May '99

>>> "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.com> 31/May/1999 10:57am >>> >Does anybody know of the use of an ampersand character in an e-mail >address >is accepted as ok? >him&her(a)isp.com Well, RFC821 says that "the mail data includes the memo header items such as Date, Subject, To, Cc, From" and that "The mail data may contain any of the 128 ASCII characters." - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers
by david＠farrar.com 30 May '99

30 May '99

On Thu, 27 May 1999 11:36:22 +1200, Peter Mott wrote: >> I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing >> so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, >> Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they >> didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. > >We have a different view on what consultation is. FWIW in hindsight I believe there would have been merit in posting something on say nznog asking for feedback. Perhaps one of the things we can look at is"recognising" nznog as something which should form part of a consultation process on relevant issues. Of course nznog may not want this and might prefer say isocnz-l or isocnz-announce is used for all consultations on these sort of issues. I'll forward this post to nznog (not cross-post) for their interest. But having recognised consultation could be better, let me say nothing is cast in stone. ISOCNZ Council agreed to stop the situation where anyone at all could do zone transfers, but also recognised that certain people or groups would have legitimate grounds for access. Now that leaves enough flexibility to have a very liberal or very tight "access" policy. You have most of the ISOCNZ Technical Cmte on this list and I'm sure that if there is a widespread consensus on what is desirable, agreement can be reached. A point I'll make is ISOCNZ does have some obligations in terms of legal responsibilities as "custodian" which have to be considered. > > I have since been seconded onto ISOCNZ council to fill the vacancy left >> by Peter Mott's resignation and am now on that committee. The tech >> committee have the task of looking at closing of the zone transfer >> holes. This is not cast in stone and could be changed if valid reasons >> can be produced. > > David Farrer said a decision had already been made to disallow XFRS. Can >we get the story straight please? The decision was to stop anyone at all doing transfers. I don't think there is much disagreement that an open slather let anyone grab it and possibly spam with it scenario is desirable to continue. It was recognised some people would still have a need to do transfers. As for how stringent or liberal the policy is, could I pose a number of policy scenarios which may help people focus on what they consider desirable. Now I am not great on all the technical side so I hope I have captured this correctly. a) Status Quo - where anyone at all can do a transfer with no restriction b) No automatic transfers are possible but any *.nz name holder can ask for a zone transfer as long as they promise not to spam. Of course they may give it to others who do with no way to check this. c) Any NZ ISP (and how do we define that) may get a copy of the zone data. Perhaps with an agreement not to spam, on sell etc d) No automatic right of access but any person or group can ask for access, specifying the intended purpose of the data. DOMAINZ to decide which requests are accepted based on criteria set by ISOCNZ (which could come from this group). Note any info about why it is wanted which is given to DOMAINZ would be confidential and not to be publicised e) No access at all except to secondaries (ie those who *need* rather than *want* it Now I'm sure there are many more combinations but hopefully that gets much of it. Feedback on which option is desirable is welcome. Someone raised why ISOCNZ is involved at all. Well simply ISOCNZ has the *duty* on behalf of the Internet Community to be the custodian (for lack of a better word) of the *.nz DNS and associated data. As part of that role it does need to consider implications of what it does with the data. We do have a Privacy Act which few other countries have and we do need to be careful that if ever challenged on what our policies are to do with data we have collected, we can demonstrate that issues have been thought through in a considered manner. I realise the zone data itself may not be relevant to the privacy act, but that it *unlocks* other data may be an issue. Who knows at some stage we may have to spend some money on a legal opinion on our obligations. Speaking for me personally I have no firm view on how liberal or stringent access to the zone files should be (except I strongly support removing open slather access) and am inclined to be supportive of any consensus position reached by a group representative of the industry. DPF --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone running mail on Solaris 2.6 with tcp timestamps tunerd on?
by Chris Wedgwood 27 May '99

27 May '99

Is there anyone out there running using Solaris 2.6 with tcp timestamps turned on for mail? If so, would they mind letting me hit them with some test messages, maybe a hundred or so short messages? I'm trying to track down some funnies and want to be sure of things before I start blaming Solaris again :) -Chris --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers
by Andy Linton 27 May '99

27 May '99

2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > > >I haven't yet got the draft minutes but my recollection of the ISOCNZ > >Council meeting on Friday is that the consensus was to do exactly that > >- for reasons of both privacy act considerations and anti-spamming. > > Yet another example of ISOCNZ making decisions without consulting industry. > Extremely bad form. I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. I have since been seconded onto ISOCNZ council to fill the vacancy left by Peter Mott's resignation and am now on that committee. The tech committee have the task of looking at closing of the zone transfer holes. This is not cast in stone and could be changed if valid reasons can be produced. I'd also note some data points: 1) The root nameservers have had open transfers turned off. 2) The Domainz RFI for the management of the DNS indicates that in the near future the primary and secondary servers will be operated by Domainz. The organisations that host the secondary servers will not have administrative control over them so Joe's recent example where Clear and Xtra currently have access to the zone file data will not hold in the future. 3) Mark Davies' web pages which list the NZ domain names will disappear in their current form. I'd like people to put their cards on the table and say why they want access to the complete zone files. That would help us understand if there are valid reasons for leaving the transfers open. I also believe this discussion belongs on the NZNOG list. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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International Internet changing regimes
by Frank March 27 May '99

27 May '99

A further note on developments in this very occasional series. I have available a copy of the report of a meeting of the Rapporteur Group on International Network Cost Components for the Internet (part of the ITU, and published in the ITU Telecommunications Standardisation Sector newsletter COM 3-R 17-E March 1999). There seems to be some overlap in membership between this group and the APEC TEL activities. The meeting was in Sydney 22,23 September 1998 and covers work by a study group with the following terms of reference: -identify the international network components for the Internet which reside within the GII framework; -determine cost issues; and -if considered appropriate, to propose a set of principles on the equitable cost compensation between international circuit providers. The group notes that "it is not, at this time, in a position to propose a preferred set of principles" and further work is proposed. I will fax a copy (11 pages) to anyone sending me a number. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ICANN document of interest
by Andy Linton 27 May '99

27 May '99

http://www.icann.org/tld-deleg-prac.html NEW: Statement of IANA TLD Delegation Practices IMPORTANT NOTICE. The following document is being posted for the information of the Internet community. It contains a statement of the current policies being followed by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) in administering delegations of Top Level Domain Names of the Internet Domain Names System (DNS). At a future date, the ICANN Board may consider changes to these policies and will, at such time, notice proposed changes for public comment in accordance with the ICANN Bylaws. Comments on this document are welcome and should be directed to comments(a)icann.org. -- Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: Delivery failure (registry-discuss@2day.com)]
by Andy Linton 26 May '99

26 May '99

> Subject: Re: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:13:40 +0000 > From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> > Organization: Netlink, Wellington > To: registry-discuss(a)2day.com > > 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > > > > > I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing > > > so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, > > > Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they > > > didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. > > > > We have a different view on what consultation is. > > Just because you aren't included in a discussion, it doesn't mean there > hasn't been one. > > > > > > I have since been seconded onto ISOCNZ council to fill the vacancy left > > > by Peter Mott's resignation and am now on that committee. The tech > > > committee have the task of looking at closing of the zone transfer > > > holes. This is not cast in stone and could be changed if valid reasons > > > can be produced. > > > > David Farrer said a decision had already been made to disallow XFRS. Can > > we get the story straight please? > > > > Read my posting - I'm asking for reasons why this should be changed and > all I'm hearing is whinging about how unreponsive ISCONZ are. > > > p.s. If you took up my vacancy, you would be on the education and research > > subcommittee. > > Nope! I'm on the commitee that's most appropriate for my background and > experience. -- Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Zone transfers from .nz name servers
by Robert Gray 26 May '99

26 May '99

>I'm still waiting for a reasoned argument from Peter about this issue. I've spoken to Peter about the zone transfers and he has told me why he wants the ability to do them. I would like to say that: a) the use he makes of it (IMHO) breaches no privacy nor has any other concern and b) it _is_ commercially sensitive - I certainly would not tell too many people unless I wanted competition. There's a conundrum then. Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Restricting axfr's from ns99.waikato.ac.nz
by Chris Wedgwood 26 May '99

26 May '99

Without wishing to step into the flames, has anyone considered it may already be too _late_ to stop people form generating a list of all .nz domains? Right now, I'm sure plenty of people have copies on the .nz zone files (for various reasons), and they probably update these fairly often. Even if this information is made unavailable to the public at large, people can just check (daily) the Domainz Pending Activity page and produce deltas from that... I just verified that this is indeed possible with a little script that took no more than 5 minutes or so to get going... -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Fw: Welcome
by Andy Linton 26 May '99

26 May '99

2Day Operations wrote: > > Date: Thursday, 27 May 1999 11:29 > Subject: Welcome > > >Welcome to the registry-discuss list provided by 2Day Internet Ltd > > > >PURPOSE > > > >This list is provided for discussion of commercial and > >technical issues associated with changes to the .nz > >domain name registration service advised by DOMAINZ on > >Tuesday 18 May 1999. > > > >INVITATION > > > >Any person or organisation with a commercial interest > >in this topic is invited to participate. > > > >ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY > > > >Without wishing to restrict the free flow of ideas and > >information, the list owner (2Day Internet Limited) > >requires that:- > > > > > >a) Messages posted to this list are NOT posted to any > > other list or news group at the same time. > > Looks like I'm breach of Peter's acceptable use policy so I'd better be unsubscribed from 'registry-discuss' I'll be talking about this on the NZNOG list from now on. Join me there if you want a list where who you post to is not dictated to by the list owner. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers]
by Roger De Salis 26 May '99

26 May '99

2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: |> |> >I haven't yet got the draft minutes but my recollection of the |> >ISOCNZ Council meeting on Friday is that the consensus was to |> > do exactly that |> >- for reasons of both privacy act considerations and anti-spamming. |> |> Yet another example of ISOCNZ making decisions without consulting |> industry. Extremely bad form. | | I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing | so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, | Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they | didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. ===================================================================== Exactly 10 days ago, I did send out an email to the ISOCNZ council, plus Andy and Joe, with proposal to possibly restrict zone transfers. The sequence was:- 1/ Put an inital proposal to the council plus others to ensure that the technical proposal was sound, and find out if there were i) raving objections, ii) muted dissent iii) muted assent iv) other. 2/ Post the corrected proposal to the NOG for comment. 3/ Assemble and Post feedback to the NOG, and come to a acceptable consensus. Unfortunately real work interfered with this timetable. This email represents step 2. The proposal was informally discussed at the last council meeting, which I was not able to fully attend. Here is the proposal in full, as it was sent out earlier. I remind interested parties that this is a PROPOSAL. Thoughtful comment, dissent and wisely worded counter propoosals will all be thoroughly considered. Here is the proposal as originally sent out. ======================================================================== PROPOSAL:- The caretaker of the registry has been concerned for sometime about the ability to do a complete download of the zone files, and then trawl them for useful information. Typically why people do this is to keep score, and we have no evidence that people have used this information for malicious purposes thus far. But the information does contain personal information, which it must do to permit network operators to rightfully go about their business, and brilliant efforts to keep the internet running. It also potentially offers plenty of SPAM potential. If whole downloads were restricted, but reasonable queries of a moderate length we allowed, and a working who-is was on line, and there was an ability to run reasonable global queries (eg no of domains by provider etc etc), is a restriction on possible global downloads reasonable. A positive suggestion here is that global downloads continue to be permitted, but the receiver must authenticate themselves, so reasonable use can be estimated. A parallel example is Cisco's shipping database. You have query access (via login) to any information, but you need a valid number to be able to extract the single event. There is no way to get the whole of shipping details at that second. But in theory it is all there. The proposal is therefore to propose some minor technical changes with an eye on the Privacy requirements, but ensure that sufficiently useful access and information exists to permit the nog to do their job. I would be most interested to collect opinions about positive technical suggestions, leave it the way it is, or make these suggested changes. Rgds Roger De Salis ====================================================== Joe's comments came back as:- (and appear to me to be eminently reasonable. I hope he will not mind me re-publishing.) For the record, it's only ns99 and rata that currently permit zone transfers; none of the others do. A good compromise might be to restrict zone transfers from ns99 to "all authoritative servers plus authorised hosts" to allow people like Peter to continue to pull the data, without having to mess about with ftp. Domainz could authorise hosts as they saw fit (I would expect the authorisation policy to be fairly non-restrictive). The driver for doing this, remember, is to prevent the unscrupulous walking the DNS, enumerating domain names for the purposes of evil spam; it's not to stop record harvesting for the purposes of generating statistics. This is just for ns99 -- I would expect other authoritative servers to deny transfers from _anybody_. Maintaining a current transfer access list on every secondary is unnecessary. Being overly restrictive on this issue could be problematic anyway; for example CLEAR and Xtra have access to the zone files since they operate authoritative nameservers for the benefit of the community. It would be bizarre if other providers were denied access to the same information simply because they're small (or focused on niche services). Joe ================================================================ -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes.

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.nz Secondary -- Victoria University upgrading Bind to 8.2
by Patrick O'Brien 25 May '99

25 May '99

NZNOG'ers, FYI, Victoria University are in the process of upgrading the .nz Secondary from Bind 4.9(ish) to 8.2. In doing so, they will be restricting zone transfers to the Primary and Secondary .nz zone machines. Richard Stevenson is the contact, at Victoria My regards, PATRICK J O'BRIEN Fax: (04) 473-4569 Voice: (04) 473-4567 Mail: P.O.BRIEN(a)DOMAINZ.NET.NZ Web: http://www.DOMAINZ.NET.NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Roger Hicks' email address
by Frank March 24 May '99

24 May '99

Folks: Off topic; unless the intention is to offer Roger a beer, I suppose, but does anyone know what his address is these days? Apparently his old Clear address is no longer operational. I would appreciate any assistance. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nz.org.isocnz newsfeed to tardis.patho.gen.nz
by Joe Abley 21 May '99

21 May '99

Hello people, Is anybody able to set up a tiny newsfeed to tardis.patho.gen.nz (203.97.2.226), feeding only nz.org.isocnz? Tardis won't be originating any messages. Path entry tardis.patho.gen.nz. Many thanks in giddy anticipation :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: (Fwd) Class C]
by Roger De Salis 19 May '99

19 May '99

-- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes.

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[Fwd: (Fwd) Class C] -Reply
by Brett Telfer 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi, This address is part of the 210.55.x.x blocks being advertised by NetGate. I have passed on the message to Don (contactable at nic(a)netgate.net.nz), and he will be contacting Wayne directly to help sort this out. Regards BT >>> Roger De Salis <rdesalis(a)cisco.com> 20/May/1999 01:15pm >>> -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Discussion list for .nz registry changes
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 19 May '99

19 May '99

Domainz has announced changes which will have a commercial and technical impact for any organisation that registers domain names on behalf of their customers. The changes are described at:- http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/access.htm http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/POB-Customer-id-FAQ.htm 2Day Internet Limited considers there is considerable merit in discussing this topic with other providers before posting any comment to DOMAINZ. Accordingly, we have created a list server for discussion. Any person or organisation with a commercial interest in this topic is invited to subscribe by sending a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with NO subject and the word JOIN in the body. A welcome message with instructions on how to participate will then be sent to you. -- regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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mysteriously large ping times...?
by Joe Abley 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi, Could some kind Telstra-, NetGate- and Xtra-connected people possibly do a couple of traceroutes for me, and mail me the results? I'm seeing some unusually high ping times into these networks, and I suspect that return traffic is coming back by a strange and unusual route. If people could trace to 203.97.1.241 and 203.167.224.1 (and include the address they're tracing from) it would be most appreciated. Probably best not to copy the list tho, unless this is of widespread interest for some peculiar reason :) Thanks, Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contacting people who need to know
by Patrick O'Brien 18 May '99

18 May '99

Peter, > Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I am not sure where this has been stated, but I have *not* stated this. Certainly I cannot supply you Peter with a list of organisations as you seek below -- there are issues of Privacy. > Is DOMAINZ willing to provide us with a list of:- > > * E-mail addresses that regularly submit applications to > 4e-mail.channel(a)domainz.net.nz or registry(a)domainz.waikato.ac.nz > * Host names of computers (other than www.domainz.net.nz) that > regularly access the scripts on domainz.waikato.ac.nz Initial details have been sent to isocnz list, nz nog, and nz.general. I never said that this was the only place it would go. We *are* working on how we do our best to contact as many users of the service that will be affected, as you would expect a service driven organisation to do. However, I did make a committment to get the things "out of the box" for discussion, particularly to the NZNOG by yesterday, Tuesday. I met this committment. I have no issues with the ideas being discussed on one, two or many lists. My problem is that I do not have time to monitor a myriad of lists. It *is* important though that we hear the outcomes of any discussion by next week. This *does* require a formal channel for information to get posted back to Domainz, which is why I've provided a separate e-mail address. I've also asked for some specific information from each Registrar. Again, I do not think that they ought be publishing that kind of sensitive information to a public list. Thus they can use the formal channel provided. For your information I've posted to the NZNOG list and ISOCNZ lists too. Apologies in advance for the cross-posting. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:35 PM To: registry-discuss(a)2day.com Subject: Re: Contacting people who need to know Welcome to people who have joined the list over the last 24 hours. I think it would be great if folk could take some time reading the DOMAINZ documents and considering how the changes will effect their business. Whilst you are doing this, others are joining the list. My original post was to ISOCNZ's list and the NZNOG list. I had hoped DOMAINZ would see its way clear to helping us get people who dont follow either list but it appears Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I have now e-mailed the soa email address for each ISP listed in the back of Netguide magazine. Does anybody have any other ideas on how we can get as many people as possible who may be effected by the registry changes participating here? I am very concerned about those folk who have written scripts to talk to domainz.waikato.ac.nz in the absence of a WHOIS server. NSI made a major snafu when they changed the internic WHOIS without consultation. It made more than a few ISP's and WPP's look bloody silly. Remember if our services are effected by something DOMAINZ does, its us that looks bad, not the registry. I'm not suggesting that anything DOMAINZ is proposing is silly or unreasonable. I am saying people need to be informed so they can plan for the changes. I remain puzzled as to why DOMAINZ would think it OK to advise changes only on its own web site and a few special interest lists. I intend to pick up on the things I think are significant about the changes in about 48 hours time. In the meantime, could I ask that everybody post a short intro message stating who they are / who they represent so others have an idea who is participating. Thanks! regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- ------------------------------------------------------- The registry-discuss list is provided free of charge by 2Day Internet Limited. To unsubscribe send a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with no subject and the word LEAVE in the body. Report problems to postmaster(a)2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 23 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 17 May '99

17 May '99

Members of the NOG, The Domainz website was updated today, with proposals as promised for changes to the the .nz Register. http://www.domainz.net.nz/ Full details can be accessed from the home page, and should be of interest to all Regsitrars. We look forwards to receiving your feedback by Tuesday May 25 by email to, 4changefeedback(a)domainz.net.nz My regards, PATRICK J O'BRIEN Fax: (04) 473-4569 Voice: (04) 473-4567 Mail: P.O.BRIEN(a)DOMAINZ.NET.NZ Web: http://www.DOMAINZ.NET.NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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unixy mirrors
by Joe Abley 16 May '99

16 May '99

Hi all, We have set up a couple of mirrors on ftp.clear.net.nz: ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/debian ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/redhat ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/tsx-11 ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/gnu ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/zebra ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/rfc ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/fyi ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/internet-drafts Most of them are are fully-populated, although some are still filling. Comments and requests welcome. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 13 May '99

13 May '99

Joe, I'm pleased that you see this as the right forum and agree that this is a genuine "operational" issue -- hence my posting. > One issue that has been raised before ...a coherent, machine-readable > interface ... similar to the whois We've just run thru an RFI process, as well as sent the consultant to talk with major Registrars, and some smaller ones too. Interestingly enough, only a couple mentioned the need for a "who is" (Andy Linton was one -- better say that before he reminds me). Most saw a need to get access to specific domain name details around the clock. As I undersatnd it, the web interface provides that capability. We were not able to ascertain what additional information requirement there was, and how a "whois" type service provided that additional information. For instance, here is an "eclectic" we use (apologies, but we are not Unix oriented by any means), http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=domainz.net http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=nominet.org.uk http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=ina.com.au The information is broadly comparable with that provided from the .nz Register, http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER?domain_name=clear.net.nz What precisely is it that the Domainz services do not provide that you feel ought to be provided? Is it the content, is it the form in which it is provided? It makes sense to let us know now as we are redeveloping those systems. If there are key aspects of functionality that we do not provide, then we do need to consider how we go about doing that as part of our current exercise. > What are the chances of getting something like this rolled in to > your next set of changes? On the current proposals signalled for next week, little I suspect. These are targetted at specific address content changes and (hopefully) removal of the duality of name holder/billing addresses. (Strong note that this does *not* mean any change to the name holder's ability to appoint a billing agent and be billed indirectly) > Since you're giving as all months of notice... Did I say that ?-) > there will be plenty of time ... to get a whois server organised, right? :) As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. Notwithstanding, I guess you've got to put together the case as to where the deficiency lies, and the benefits in plugging the percieved gap, soon as you can. Good to hear from you, and looking forward to further input... My reagrds, PAtrick Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:28:45 +1200 From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 08:00:24PM +1200, Peter Mott wrote: > >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" > >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be > forthcoming. > > Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. > Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to _subscribe_ to > in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. This sounds very much like an operational issue involving NZ Network Operators, regardless of the fact that it does not directly involve beer. If we're raising hands, then I would very much like to discuss the interface between registrars and Domainz -- and a "heads up" message to this list does far more for me than a bulletin posted somewhere on the www.domainz.net.nz. One issue that has been raised before, and I would like to raise again: it would be good to see a coherent, machine-readable interface to the domain operator's registry, similar to the whois service at whois.internic.net (but not nearly as broken or hard to parse) or perhaps whois.nic.uk. RIPE-181 is a convenient "standard" format. There is a valid operational need to be able to contact the administrative or technical contact for any zone. Concerns about people walking the DNS and pulling down spam-fodder from the server are valid, but IMHO this is no show-stopper, since (a) it's possible with the existing http interface anyway (b) it's not that hard to limit successive queries from the same client What are the chances of getting something like this rolled in to your next set of changes? Since you're giving as all months of notice to re-code our Domainz interfaces, there will be plenty of idle time for Domainz to get a whois server organised, right? :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Bob Baal 12 May '99

12 May '99

At 22:19 12/05/99 +1200, Joe Abley wrote: >Hi Patrick, > >On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 10:28:54AM +1200, Patrick O'Brien wrote: >> >> I'm pleased that you see this as the right forum and agree that this is a >> genuine "operational" issue -- hence my posting. >> > >If your consultant came and talked to CLEAR, then his questions didn't >filter through to the code monkeys. Maybe we're not a "major Registrar"? >Don't know. > Joe their consultant did talk to us, he spoke to me and Muru. We gave him lots of thoughts about how to progress this but we did not specify a particular way of doing it just suggested that the function should be provided. We gave him enough detail that it took him about 10mins to write it up after the meeting. I did talk to some of the code monkeys before I talked to the consultant and we used the out line document that Julian wrote before his demise, thought I can't remember if I spoke to you about this banana. >Spot on. A consistent interface is what is missing. More importantly an interface that is manipulated by a program not a human. > >That all sounds highly commercial :) If it would help, I am happy for you >to pay me for my 200 lines of shell script :) > > > 1. Benefits > > 1.1. it makes it easier for automated queries, where the results are > inserted into other systems Yes Yes Yes > > >I am hazy on the whole process by which ISPs' requirements for their >interface to the registry are actioned and implemented by Domainz. What >is the procedure? > Its ad hoc. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bob Baal CLEAR Net Email: rbaal(a)clear.net.nz =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 10 May '99

10 May '99

Peter, Thank you. I take your posting to mean that you do not wish to share your "wish list" of improvements with the nznog? > There are quite a few things that could be improved. Sorry that I interpreted your response to infer that you wished to have a forum to air/discuss those views publicly. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 5:20 PM To: Patrick O'Brien Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements >please? When you employ an ISP account manager, offer a reseller agreement written in plain English, and allocate an engineer to discuss the interface with. Until then, I wont be taking anything you say seriously, or spending a cent of my time on it. There is way to much history of all talk and no action. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- -----Original Message----- From: Patrick O'Brien [SMTP:p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:56 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Peter, Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements please? My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:16 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 10 May '99

10 May '99

>Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements >please? When you employ an ISP account manager, offer a reseller agreement written in plain English, and allocate an engineer to discuss the interface with. Until then, I wont be taking anything you say seriously, or spending a cent of my time on it. There is way to much history of all talk and no action. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 10 May '99

10 May '99

Peter, Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements please? My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:16 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 10 May '99

10 May '99

>As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Summit/International Updates
by Sue Leader 10 May '99

10 May '99

Greetings all The collation of results from the Summit held on April 30 is underway. Notice will be sent out as soon as it is completed and ready for your feedback. In the meantime there are all sorts of interesting developments on the International scene and we have a page devoted to those up now which will be updated regularly. If you hear of anything you think should be on the page please email me. You can go via the original Summit page at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html or direct to: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/backgrounders.html Cheers Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

Received: from verdi (unverified [202.37.240.23]) by mail.2day.net.nz (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.0) with SMTP id <B0000941112(a)mail.2day.net.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:53:01 +1200 Message-ID: <01e601be9aba$1dde3910$17f025ca(a)verdi.2day.net.nz> From: "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.net.nz> To: "Patrick O'Brien" <p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz>, <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to _subscribe_ to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

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by None 10 May '99

10 May '99

TAA08188 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:56:58 +1200 Received: from verdi (unverified [202.37.240.23]) by mail.2day.net.nz (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.0) with SMTP id <B0000941112(a)mail.2day.net.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:53:01 +1200 Message-ID: <01e601be9aba$1dde3910$17f025ca(a)verdi.2day.net.nz> From: "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.net.nz> To: "Patrick O'Brien" <p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz>, <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz= > Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to subscribe to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- =20 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, Yes, this is something that we are currently looking at. Separate to the changes we've just been talking about, Domainz is also working on a re-vamp of its web site (no I cannot say when this will get out of the box yet). Within that framework, we *definately* are looking at the use of a number of "Fora". One of them is specifically intended for Registrars -- ISP's if you will. We have chosen a "forum" approach to enable not just announcements, but to provide a more engaging discussion medium (we hope). What do they say about great minds, my regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 7:53 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to subscribe to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, The purpose of the Registrar workshops was not to get down into the minutiae of individual fields nor the timing of changes to templates. We used them to cover some concepts related to the changes. Following the workshops, we deliberately chose not to put details on the Domainz site as to exactly what those changes would be. Rather, in late Feb. we announced that changes were "afoot" and asked folks to keep an eye out (I think you e-mailed us some comment at the time). The purpose of the message today is to alert Registrars that the changes signalled are close to being announced. When I have all the details to hand, then I will publish them, and I've committed to do that by Tuesday next week. The process for signalling change to the template is shown at, http://www.domainz.net.nz/registration/channel.html We notify change by way of the Domainz Newz page, and give time for Registrars to change their systems. To my knowledge, there have been no substantive changes to the template since around May 1997 -- 2 years ago now. Given the scale of these changes (it is more than just a change of the form ID), the time allotted when changes will "kick-in" will be more than 2 weeks. The type of change means considerable change to data held in the .nz Register, and can only be accomplished in a number of steps. Again, details will be published next week, and I do welcome all feedback. Yes, I will positively encourage feedback, the changes are not totally "frozen", there may be some opportunity to finesses and improve their implementation. Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 4:59 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, >and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. I can see nothing on the DOMAINZ site that is a proposal to change the e-mail template. I have spoken to several people who attended your workshops. They have specifically advised no proposal to change the e-mail template was presented. >Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than >just floating ideas for comment. I interpret above to mean you will be publishing the changes without opportunity to have them changed as a result of industry feedback. How many days will there be between the date you publish the changes to when ISP's must have made changes to their systems to use new e-mail template? I need to know this in order to allocate development resource. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 09 May '99

09 May '99

>These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, >and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. I can see nothing on the DOMAINZ site that is a proposal to change the e-mail template. I have spoken to several people who attended your workshops. They have specifically advised no proposal to change the e-mail template was presented. >Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than >just floating ideas for comment. I interpret above to mean you will be publishing the changes without opportunity to have them changed as a result of industry feedback. How many days will there be between the date you publish the changes to when ISP's must have made changes to their systems to use new e-mail template? I need to know this in order to allocate development resource. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than just floating ideas for comment. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 3:29 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information >required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. > >The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we >intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. Are these changes a proposal for comment by ISP's or have decisions already been made? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 09 May '99

09 May '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had 79 subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 09 May '99

09 May '99

>This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information >required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. > >The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we >intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. Are these changes a proposal for comment by ISP's or have decisions already been made? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Dear list members, For your information, we've just posted an update to the Domainz site. You should note that we are about to make some changes to the DOMAIN NAME RECORD (what we colloquially call the "30 fields") This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. My regards, Patrick ************************ The Domainz News pages have now been updated, and can be found at http://www.domainz.net.nz/newsstand/news.html Key areas of interst are 1. Changes to Domain Record ("30 fields") 2. WIPO RFC 4 3. Statistics: Over 32,000 domains registered. My Regards, Maria Arnott Customer Service Voice: 04 473 4567 Fax: 04 473 4569 email: m.arnott(a)domainz.net.nz web: http://www.domainz.net.nz _______________________________________________ List server provided by 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz To remove your address from this list please send a message to board-request(a)domainz.net.nz with LEAVE BOARD in the body. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[paul@vix.com: F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is no longer open for AXFR of COM, NET, or ORG]
by Joe Abley 03 May '99

03 May '99

Just in case anybody cares :) ----- Forwarded message from Paul A Vixie <paul(a)vix.com> ----- Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:12:05 -0700 From: Paul A Vixie <paul(a)vix.com> Subject: F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is no longer open for AXFR of COM, NET, or ORG Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu X-Loop: nanog ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: nobody Subject: F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is no longer open for AXFR of COM, NET, or ORG Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:12:05 -0700 From: Paul A Vixie <vixie(a)bb.rc.vix.com> (sent to the NANOG, IETF, and NAMEDROPPERS lists to catch everybody who cares.) Today we (Internet Software Consortium, Inc) received a verified request from the US-DOC asking that we disable public zone transfers for the COM, NET and ORG zones from now until July 23. This is part of a controlled experiment designed to uncover the actual uses and users of this information. ISC recognizes US-DOC as one of the parties authorized to make such a request, and so we have complied with it as of Mon May 3 14:57:39 1999 (Pacific). All users who have been fetching the COM, NET, or ORG zones from F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET should during this interrim period contact Network Solutions for access. Unless instructed otherwise by US-DOC, IANA, or ICANN, we plan to restore public access to the COM, NET, and ORG zones from F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET during the morning of July 23, 1999. (signed) Paul Vixie (Chairman) Internet Software Consortium ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ Promiscuous Relay Survey (re-test)
by Joe Abley 01 May '99

01 May '99

Hi, Last night I re-ran my promiscuous relay tests on the exact same list of NZ mail relays as I tested last time, in order to see whether there was any improvement. The results, in the same meagre format as before, are: Out of 3791 MX hosts that I tried to use as a relay: January April 269 (7%) 319 (8%) accepted our message, but later bounced it 1208 (32%) 768 (20%) relayed our message Of the messages that were relayed: 929 (76%) 573 (74%) were from hosts named under co.nz 33 (2%) 15 (1%) were from hosts named under net.nz 72 (5%) 52 (6%) were from hosts named under govt.nz 15 (1%) 14 (1%) were from hosts named under ac.nz 22 (1%) 18 (2%) were from hosts named under school.nz 0 (0%) 0 (0%) were from hosts named under iwi.nz 8 (0%) 6 (0%) were from hosts named under gen.nz 38 (3%) 21 (2%) were from hosts named under org.nz 1 (0%) 0 (0%) were from hosts named under mil.nz So! This looks like an improvement. Note that this re-test doesn't cover _all_ existing MX hosts in NZ; just those that were found in January using the methodology previously outlined. I will be running another test shortly which will walk the DNS once again to get a current list of MX hosts, and re-test to find the actual picture right now. Details are at http://www.patho.gen.nz/~jabley/survey.html Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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202.50.82.192
by Chris Wedgwood 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

Can anyone tell me if there is there anything special about 202.50.82.192/32? Right now, it looks like just a random (unused) address in the TELECOMIS-NZ network? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Internet Summit Audiocast News
by Sue Leader 27 Apr '99

27 Apr '99

Greetings - a note to let you know that, thanks to the initiative of Don Guthrie of Netlink (who are providing the audiocast from the Summit), RealNetworks Australia/New Zealand have generously agreed to provide a complimentary commercial licence for the day which means that the 25-line limit no longer applies. Cheers Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) ALERT: National Summit on Internet Governance Changes - April 30 - Auckland http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ALERT: WIPO Announcement & Summit Update
by Sue Leader 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

Greetings all - there have been some interesting developments in the ICANN scenario with WIPO now delaying their report until April 30 - the day of our National Summit (bound to be a coincidence, I'm sure!). The announcement is at: http://wipo2.wipo.int/process/eng/processhome.html The Summit is fast approaching and I encourage you to go to the Summit main page to check the updates at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Or you can go straight to the Final Agenda at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summitagd.html We are delighted that Ernst & Young have joined us as Partners, along with Ihug, to bring this Summit to you. The involvement of these two major players in the Business and in the Internet communities underlines the importance of these issues to the future direction of the Internet in New Zealand. Steven Heath, Senior Manager, Electronic Commerce Service Line, Ernst & Young will act as Chair and Facilitator for the day. You would really assist our planning (e.g., making sure we have enough lunch!) if you would register now. You can go via the main page or straight to the secure server at: https://www.amlink.com.au/secure/isocnzreg.htm For those of you with busy schedules I have included a copy of the Agenda below. See you at the Summit. Cheers Sue +++++++++++++++++++ Summit Agenda SUMMIT AGENDA TIME TOPIC SPEAKER 9:00 Register and Coffee Conference Company 9:30 Welcome to Summit/Review Agenda Independent Chair - Steven Heath Ernst Young & Jim Higgins, Chair, ISOCNZ 9:35 Keynote Speaker Marion Hobbs Labour Spokesperson on Communications & Information Technology 9:55 ICANN Overview - why we are here Chair - Steven Heath, Senior Manager, Electronic Commerce Service Line, Ernst & Young 10:10 Questions Chair 10:15 Legal Implications of WIPO RFC3 Peter Dengate-Thrush Barrister 10:35 Questions Chair 10:40 Coffee 10:55 Implications for Registrars Andy Linton, CEO Netlink Corporate Internet Specialists 11:15 Questions Chair 11:20 Implications for the Registry Patrick O'Brien, CEO NZ Internet Registry Ltd (Domainz) 11:40 Questions Chair 11:45 Lunch 12:30 Implications for NZ Sovereignty Reg Hammond Manager Information Technology Policy Group Ministry of Commerce 12:50 Questions Chair 12:55 Implications for .nz Policy Jim Higgins Chair, ISOCNZ 1:15 Questions Chair 1:20 Break-out into groups: + Intellectual Property & DNS + Policy & DNS + NZ Representation at ICANN + Others as necessary Facilitator and recorder each group 3:00 Coffee 3:15 Break-out report backs Chair 3:45 Where to from here? Establishing a New Zealand Position for the Berlin Meeting Chair 5:00 Close Chair Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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April 30 Summit - Live Audio Cast
by Sue Leader 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

Greetings - Late in the afternoon of Monday April 26 our original contractors for the Audio- cast notified us that they were no longer able to provide the audio-cast in RealAudio. As we were not prepared to change formats to WinzMedia at the last moment, especially as it has no Unix version, we were left in something of a fix. We would therefore like to express our very public and sincere thanks to Don of Netlink "Corporate Internet Specialists" who came to the party in the nick of time this morning, and are providing the audio-cast in RealAudio. There is one limitation as a result - only 25 lines can be in use at one time. If you can't get through the first time, please keep trying. Another idea might be to set up a "group session" such as Bill Parkin of UniForum is doing in Wellington. The venue for Wellington will be advised on the audiocast page (http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summitcast.html) once it is confirmed. Please send your local venue in to me and it will be added to this page. Cheers <nofill> Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) ALERT: National Summit on Internet Governance Changes - April 30 - Auckland http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Removal of Late Summit Registration Fees
by Sue Leader 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

Greetings all - this is a note to let you know that I referred the issue of the late registration fee of $15 which takes effect from tomorrow. As this was my error in failing to note this on the main Summit Agenda page, the Council has decided to waive the fee. Anyone accidently ticking the late fee box will have the late fee deducted before the transaction is processed. Registration fees therefore remain at $20.00 for ISOCNZ members, and $75 for non-members (all GST inc). (Student prices by application). If you are planning to attend, please register before 5pm Thursday so we can ensure that we provide enough food etc for you. Thanks Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) ALERT: National Summit on Internet Governance Changes - April 30 - Auckland http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: whois interface to domainz database
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

>What RFC do you mean? Oops, brain not engaged at this hour - meant to type RIPE >But that's not particularly difficult parsing though. I mean, it's a case >of piping it through > > awk '/^country:/ { print $2; }' Why not make it work without having to do more parsing? Also need to watch out for missing data. >Although if you're talking about the nasty old format sporadically available >via the NSI whois server, I agree :) Sure, and .au is in varying states of broke as well due to need for data cleansing :-) regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: whois interface to domainz database
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

>Well, it's kind of moot in the case of the NZ database, since there is >no discrete country field for me to present anyway :/ Exactly. And my hope of getting some improvements in this area appear to have been shattered with the departure of DOMAINZ's only technical employee at the end of last week. Here's hoping whoever takes over from Waikato can be encouraged to make some basic improvements to the database schema regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: whois interface to domainz database
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

>I have just knocked up a quick-and-dirty whois interface to the domainz >nz-tld registration database, since > > + I live in a command-line world > + the internet was much better before the web > + etc, etc, foam-at-mouth I hope those who use it send you lots of beers in payment for such sterling work :-) >The data is pulled on-demand from the CGI interface at Waikato, and is >presented in a ripe-181-alike format. The whole thing will undoubtedly >fall apart as soon as someone at Waikato lets a web monkey near cgi-bin Dont expect DOMAINZ to tell you before or even after they change it either! The RFC format whilst great for visual inspection at the command line, is not so crash hot for those who prefer their machine to do the reading. The RFC does not specify a standard schema from which each data element can be uniquely identified. One still has to parse the output of whois in order to get a single useful element such as 'country'. I think the person(s) responsible for the RFC must have hated database technology. They made it possible for duplicate column names just to confuse us structured folk. Maybe database technology did not exist way back when ... regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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whois interface to domainz database
by Joe Abley 25 Apr '99

25 Apr '99

Hi, I have just knocked up a quick-and-dirty whois interface to the domainz nz-tld registration database, since + I live in a command-line world + the internet was much better before the web + etc, etc, foam-at-mouth The data is pulled on-demand from the CGI interface at Waikato, and is presented in a ripe-181-alike format. The whole thing will undoubtedly fall apart as soon as someone at Waikato lets a web monkey near cgi-bin. $ whois -h whois.patho.gen.nz patho.gen.nz % This data was harvested from a public CGI interface hosted % at http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER % No responsibility is taken nor warrenty made for the accuracy % of the information presented here. domain: patho.gen.nz admin-c: Joe Abley tech-c: Joe Abley nserver: tardis.patho.gen.nz nserver: ns1.waikato.ac.nz nserver: dns1.clear.net.nz nserver: dns2.clear.net.nz remarks: registration-date 30-Jun-1997 remarks: modification-date 10-Sep-1997 changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz 19990426 source: PATHOGEN person: Joe Abley address: 3/60 Grange Road, Mt Eden address: Auckland, New Zealand phone: +64 9 623 1399 fax-no: by arrangement e-mail: jabley(a)patho.gen.nz changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz 19990426 source: PATHOGEN person: Joe Abley address: 3/60 Grange Road, Mt Eden address: Auckland, New Zealand phone: +64 9 623 1399 fax-no: by arrangement e-mail: jabley(a)patho.gen.nz changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz 19990426 source: PATHOGEN There is no magic in this - just a big lump of awk. Script follows, in case anybody is interested -- fetch is a FreeBSD-ism; other platforms may have more luck with the myriad of ability instilled in modern ftp clients[2]. Note to any housebreakers reading nznog: that address is two years old, and I don't live there any more :) Joe [1] Like this one. I'm surprised it can't send mail. NAME ftp, pftp, gate-ftp - ARPANET file transfer program SYNOPSIS ftp [-a] [-d] [-e] [-g] [-i] [-n] [-U] [-p] [-P port] [-t] [-v] [-V] [host [port]] ftp ftp://[user:password@]host[:port]/file[/] ftp http://host[:port]/file ftp host:[/path/]file[/] ------large-nasty-script-including-unwholesome-lump-of-awk-follows-------- #!/bin/sh # # Call from inetd, using an entry in inetd.conf like this: # # # DOMAINZ whois service # whois stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/local/bin/whois-domainz.sh whois-domainz.sh read domain /usr/bin/fetch -o - "http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER?domain_name=${domain}" 2>/dev/null | /usr/bin/awk ' BEGIN \ { printf "%% This data was harvested from a public CGI interface hosted\n"; printf "%% at http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER\n\n"; printf "%% No responsibility is taken nor warrenty made for the accuracy\n"; printf "%% of the information presented here.\n\n"; } /Domain name:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); domain_name=$0; next; } /Registration:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); registration=$0; next; } /Modification:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); modification=$0; next; } /representative contact name:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_name=$0; next; } /Holder phone:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_phone=$0; next; } /Holder fax:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_fax=$0; next; } /Holder e-mail:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_email=$0; next; } /Holder address part 1:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_address_1=$0; next; } /Holder address part 2:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_address_2=$0; next; } /Technical contact name:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_name=$0; next; } /Technical phone:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_phone=$0; next; } /Technical fax:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_fax=$0; next; } /Technical e-mail:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_email=$0; next; } /Technical address part 1:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_address_1=$0; next; } /Technical address part 2:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_address_2=$0; next; } /Name server  primary:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); ns_name_1=$0; next; } /Name server  secondary:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); ns_name_2=$0; next; } /Name server  third:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); ns_name_3=$0; next; } /Name server  fourth:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); ns_name_4=$0; next; } END \ { if (domain_name == "") printf"% no useful data returned by query\n"; else { printf "domain: %s\n", domain_name; if (holder_name != "") printf "admin-c: %s\n", holder_name; if (tech_name != "") printf "tech-c: %s\n", tech_name; if (ns_name_1 != "") printf "nserver: %s\n", ns_name_1; if (ns_name_2 != "") printf "nserver: %s\n", ns_name_2; if (ns_name_3 != "") printf "nserver: %s\n", ns_name_3; if (ns_name_4 != "") printf "nserver: %s\n", ns_name_4; if (registration != "") printf "remarks: registration-date %s\n", \ registration; if (modification != "") printf "remarks: modification-date %s\n", \ modification; printf "changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz %s\nsource: PATHOGEN\n\n", \ strftime("%Y%m%d"); if (holder_name != "") { printf "person: %s\n", holder_name; if (holder_address_1 != "") printf "address: %s\n", holder_address_1; if (holder_address_2 != "") printf "address: %s\n", holder_address_2; if (holder_phone != "") printf "phone: %s\n", holder_phone; if (holder_fax != "") printf "fax-no: %s\n", holder_fax; if (holder_email != "") printf "e-mail: %s\n", holder_email; printf "changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz %s\nsource: PATHOGEN\n\n", \ strftime("%Y%m%d"); } if (tech_name != "") { printf "person: %s\n", tech_name; if (tech_address_1 != "") printf "address: %s\n", tech_address_1; if (tech_address_2 != "") printf "address: %s\n", tech_address_2; if (tech_phone != "") printf "phone: %s\n", tech_phone; if (tech_fax != "") printf "fax-no: %s\n", tech_fax; if (tech_email != "") printf "e-mail: %s\n", tech_email; printf "changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz %s\nsource: PATHOGEN\n\n", \ strftime("%Y%m%d"); } } } ' --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ALERT: April 30 Summit Update
by Sue Leader 20 Apr '99

20 Apr '99

Greetings all - The April 30 Summit on Internet Governance Changes is progressing well, with only one speaker left to confirm. On-line registration is working well on the link for the Summit page, and the latest draft Agenda is available. Background material is being updated as time permits. The cost to ISOCNZ members is only $20 (GST Inc) and $75 to non- members and this basically covers your lunch and refreshments during the day. For people unable to attend we will be audio-casting the day, and the link for that will be off the main Summit page (at the moment it is a inforamtion only page). Please visit http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html and reload the pages regularly so you can see the new information. Looking forward to seeing you at the Summit. Once again - please pass this inforamtion along to anyone who you feel might have an interest in attending. Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NOG meeting, Rydges, Rotorua, Friday 16th April.
by Roger De Salis 18 Apr '99

18 Apr '99

There was a discussion on the list about Joe Abley's beer capacity, and a potential NOG meeting (and lunch) at Rydges Rotorua on Friday 16th. We have no response from the list, so Uniforum extends an invitation to any Network operators to just turn up and we will organise something at the time. Since some of you will not want to drive to Rotorua for the weekend without a show of hands, a show of hands would be useful. Lunch is normally 12ish to 1.45ish. Donald Neil and Myself are presenting early afternoon. This being a civilised country, the bar is pretty much open all the time. Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NOG meeting report
by Roger De Salis 18 Apr '99

18 Apr '99

Someone asked for an update on the NOG meeting held at Rydges Hotel, Rotorua, at 5.30pm 16/4/99 in the Atrium Bar. About 8 from Telecom and one from Cisco showed up. The Cisco representative's expense account took a mighty beating, while we all drank to Joe Abley's health. Mike Spain and Gibbo gave an eloquent glimpse of their understanding of SPAM, and 55 ways to generate a Denial of Service attack on that lovely little blonde from marketing. Gibbo then ordered shakers, which appear to be truly evil things, and the Cisco rep foolishly agreed to send all NOG attendees a Cisco Tshirt Each. Josh Bailey's named was mentioned several times, most inconjuntion with how an organisation becomes de-joshed, and how did it get Josh'ed in the first place. At that point the ceiling flew away..... That is about all I remember. Others will no doubt add extensive technical information to this short overview... Rog -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Andy Linton tests hospital services
by Rowan Smith 18 Apr '99

18 Apr '99

Thanks Andy.... Aren't their some censorship laws in place to prevent someone causing me to put my lunch all over the keyboard? Pleased you are well. -Rowan -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> To: 2Day Chief Enthusiast <peter(a)2day.net.nz> Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Andy Linton tests hospital services >2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: >> >> I just received a message via another list saying Andy is recovering in ward >> 30 Wellington hospital after an emergency appendectomy. > >All the indications are that the prospect of buying Joe the beer I owed >him caused so much stress that my body just gave up. > >The appendix is now out and I am improving daily. I was very >disappointed to find that it was not a regular ASCII Appendix - small, >terse and to the point but it was actually a Microsoft Appendix infected >with a Melissa-like virus - much larger that was necessary at 20cm long, >bloated and full of noxious stuff that was in the process of infecting >surrounding systems when the engineers found it and disconnected it from >the network. > >-- >Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz >Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand >-- >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Andy Linton tests hospital services
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 18 Apr '99

18 Apr '99

I just received a message via another list saying Andy is recovering in ward 30 Wellington hospital after an emergency appendectomy. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NOG meeting, Rydges, Rotorua, Friday 16th April. -Reply
by Donald Neal 13 Apr '99

13 Apr '99

>>> Roger De Salis <rdesalis(a)cisco.com> 14/April/1999 01:56pm >>> [...] >Donald Neil and Myself are presenting early afternoon. >This being a civilised country, the bar is pretty much open >all the time. >Rgds Roger De Salis Roger, Is the bar open because you're presenting or because I am? - Donald Neal -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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April 30 Summit On-line Registration - Live
by Sue Leader 13 Apr '99

13 Apr '99

Greetings The online secure site for Summit registrations is now live. You can follow the link from the Summit page at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html or go direct to: https://www.amlink.com.au/secure/isocnzreg.htm Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Sky Tower/Sky City colo update
by Joe Abley 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

Hi all, I have had verbal confirmation from John Russell of IHUG and Andy Miller of Xtra that IHUG and Xtra are keen to participate in an exchange at the Sky Tower. Between us, CLEAR, IHUG and Xtra should bring a significant amount of Auckland traffic to the exchange, and make it well worth joining. CLEAR hopes to have packet access to the 48th floor in the tower within the next four weeks, ready to peer with anybody else who cares to join us. The reason for choosing the 48th floor is that it turns out another project within CLEAR had already funded a cabinet there, so it's a handy place for us :) For those who took the tour the other day, the 48th floor is one of the glass-walled floors, ideal for radio shots back to home base without the planning approval that's required for external antennas. If the 48th floor turns out to be wildly inconvenient for anybody else we can always trunk our connection elsewhere. To talk about pricing either dedicated cabinets or space in community cabinets on the 48th floor, Warren Harding's your man: 025 338-392, 09-306-1599x706, warren(a)jda.co.nz. On a related note, I will be talking to Steve Donnohy of Sky City about the ground-level (well, basement) colo facilities in the building, in case it makes sense to do something down there. If anybody else has a desparate itch to attend the discussions, drop me a note (I'm meeting Steve at 9am, Friday 9 April). I will summarise whatever I find out to the list in any case. I am also on the lookout for someone to donate a switch to the exchange (if anybody has any pointers, please let me know). In the mean time, and at least to get things started, CLEAR will have 10baseT switch ports available on the 48th floor. Longer term I suspect someone will want to sell them rather than give them away, but I'm certainly happy to look elsewhere while people string cat5 into the cabinet to get things running :) Most importantly of all, we can't possibly start peering at the Sky Tower unless we have a cool name for the exchange. Sky-IX? MAE-Auckland? Sky-NAP? Mmm. "The Tallest Internet Exchange in the World" :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Sky Tower/Sky City colo update
by Michael Newbery 06 Apr '99

06 Apr '99

Nah. Going back to joe's original Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange, *surely* it should be: APE = Auckland Peering Exchange. The logo is pretty obvious. King Kong climbing the skytower anyone? -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Ascend APAC TAC Job Vacancy
by Dean Pemberton 06 Apr '99

06 Apr '99

There is a vanancy in the Ascend Asia Pacific TAC center. I have attached the job description below. If you think that the following job applies to anyone you know - then forward an electronic CV to me and I'll make sure it gets to the right place. Dean Title: Regional Support Specialist Location: Melbourne, Australia Job Category: Technical Support Job Type: Full Time Ascend Communications is a leading provider of technology and equipment solutions for telecommunications carriers, Internet service providers, and corporate customers worldwide Our expansion in the APAC region means there is now an opportunity for you to join Ascend's Asia Pacific Support Centre as a Regional Support Specialist located in Melbourne, Australia. In your role as a Regional Support Specialist you will contribute to the company's success through support of Ascend products to reflect the unique requirements of this region's markets and customers. To meet the challenges this opportunity presents, you will need at least 5 years direct experience of customer support in the communications industry. You will require knowledge of: Unix Operating systems such as Linux, Solaris, BSD or HP-UX and their use in terms of scripting to automate the process of collecting data for analysis. TCP/IP, PPP and other Internet Protocols, IPX, AppleTalk, Routing Protocols such as RIP, OSPF, BGP and proven LAN/WAN internetworking skills. Switched digital services including ISDN, E1, R2, xDSL, Frame Relay and ATM. X.25/X.75/V.110 is also desirable. Optionally, skills in VOIP and SS7 and will also be to your advantage. You will also need the following skills: Good communication and inter-personal skills. Oral and written fluency in English is mandatory. Additionally, a second language in an Asian dialect will be a distinct advantage. Dynamic and energetic with an ability to take leadership and succeed in identification and resolution of technical issues under pressure. Additionally, there will be some travel to the USA and within the Asia Pacific region. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Pemberton Ph: +61-3-9656-7000 Regional Technical Specialist Asia-Pacific Fx: +61-3-9656-7006 Ascend Communications, Inc Mb: +61-419-117-321 Lvl 38, ANZ Tower, 55 Collins St Melbourne,Australia mailto:deanp(a)ascend.com.au -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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ALERT: National Internet Summit April 30
by Sue Leader 03 Apr '99

03 Apr '99

Greetings - This notice is to alert you to a National Summit on changes to the way the Internet is governed. These changes will affect the way the Internet is allowed to run in New Zealand as well as the rest of the world. New Zealand has not had a chance to consult on these issues and they will impact our economy, the way we do business on the Internet, and the future development of Ecommerce and the Knowledge Economy. Your attendance at the Summit is therefore vital to ensure that we have a say in the future of the Internet in our country. BACKGROUND As you may have become aware, there are significant changes in process in the way the Internet is managed around the world. The formation of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is a key to the process. Although the Interim ICANN Board is still at the stage of setting up representative membership structures, it moved at the March 4 1999 meeting in Singapore into implementing Policy before the structures for making that Policy are in place. This means that the future of the Internet is being determined by a small group of interim appointees, not by the widely based representative membership structures as mandated. The ICANN Board next meets in Berlin on May 25 and looks set to adopt reccommedations on a variety of issues including compulsory Trade Mark arbitration processes and Registrar Accreditation guidelines. New Zealand needs to have at least begun the process of establishing a national position before that date. The proposed policies impact upon our national sovereignty, legal system, business certainty, privacy issues, and economy. Full background material is on our web-site at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Please read the material thoroughly and pass this invitation to anyone you think fit. We encourage you to forward this notice to any other lists which you feel are relevant. We are aiming for representation at the Summit from as wide a cross-section of the New Zealand community as possible: Internet Industry, Business, Internet Users, Government, Academia, NGO's etc. NATIONAL INTERNET SUMMIT - APRIL 30th - AUCKLAND Venue to be confirmed. Thank you for giving your time to what may be the single biggest issue which the Internet in New Zealand has faced. Cordially Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Sky Tower
by Robert Gray 01 Apr '99

01 Apr '99

> + The tower is very, very tall, and you can see a long, long way from the > top of it (including down) This alone makes it worthwhile except I am afraid of heights :( Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Sky Tower
by Joe Abley 31 Mar '99

31 Mar '99

Hi all, Some random observations following our field trip this afternoon. + The ground-level machine rooms are operated by Sky City, and not Sky Tower -- hence we didn't get to see them. I will try to get access/ power/environmental details once I have a contact at the casino. + CLEAR, Telstra and Telecom all own fibre up the tower; the Sky Tower people do not provide any fibre access (they just provide ducts). + There are three main types of colo floor on the tower: o enclosed in metal, with access to external antennas (e.g. the Sky Tower FM antennae or customer-mounted DMR dishes) o enclosed in glass, behind which it is evidently practical to hang KU-band, cellular and DMR antennae o open to the elements, with weatherproof antennae and mounting hardware + on the enclosed decks, full 2.7m cabinets are available, as well as shared "community" cabinets (which are cheaper) + The tower colo decks are fed by two independent 10kW AC feeds from the base, where each is backed up by three generators. No DC power is available. There is a potential 15 second delay between an external power feed failing and the generators cutting in, so usual practice is to feed a UPS from both power busses, and to take AC or DC feeds off that to power equipment. + All floors are ventillated (especially the ones that are open to the elements :) + Access to the tower decks is supervised, and is available 24/7 + The comms decks seem surprisingly empty (although we only looked in three or four of them) + The tower is very, very tall, and you can see a long, long way from the top of it (including down) Prices for colo in the tower seem to vary according to what the application is, rather than how much space you take up -- it's all very "supply and demand". Clearly colo in the tower does not necessarily make sense if we're connecting routers together and using fibre back-haul; however, if some people are serious about doing radio shots back to base we could arrange a pair of 100baseT switches (one up the tower, one in the basement) joined with independently-routed 100baseFX uplinks, so that people only have to buy colo space in one place or the other. I think it would be a good idea to have a get-together to talk about all this, prior to Uniforum -- say at Galbraith's some time late next week? How does Thursday evening at 7pm sound to anybody else? If we can get a few people to agree to move on this, I think there is every chance on getting this up and running in the next couple of months. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Tour of Sky Tower colo facilities
by Joe Abley 31 Mar '99

31 Mar '99

Hi all, Warren's tour will take an hour, and we can't have more than five people on each tour. Warren is happy to do two tours, though. I have split the respondants into two groups, based on who replied to me first: 1pm: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Bob Baal <rbaal(a)clear.co.nz> Jamie Clark <jclark(a)clear.co.nz> Barry Brown <bbrown(a)clear.co.nz> Tony Wicks <tonyw(a)iconz.co.nz> 2pm: Craig Anderson <craig(a)iprolink.co.nz> Peter Mott <peter(a)2day.net.nz> Nevil Brownlee <n.brownlee(a)auckland.ac.nz> Chris Wedgwood <cw(a)ix.net.nz> If you need to change slots, please try and e-mail someone in the other list directly and organise a swap. Again, meeting point is in the Atrium by the front door to the casino. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Tour of Sky Tower Colocation Facility
by Joe Abley 30 Mar '99

30 Mar '99

Hi all, Warren Harding of JDA has kindly offered to conduct a brief tour of the colocation facility at the Sky Tower tomorrow afternoon at 1pm. A quick look round the communications deck up the tower may be possible (and may not be, depending on what work is going on up there at the time). [the main colo space is at ground level; for ISPs who would want to make use of wireless comms back to their base there is apparently plenty of fibre available up the tower to the comms deck] Each tour needs to be five people or less, due to the safety and security policies in place -- if there are more than five people interested, we will need to do the tour in shifts. If you are interested in this, could you let me know ASAP so I can give Warren some idea of numbers? Meeting point: in the atrium, through the front door to the casino; Time: 1pm, Thursday April 1. I will post details of the access/security/power arrangements in place tomorrow, for the benefit of those who can't come and look for themselves. Thanks, Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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UniForum NZ '99 invitation
by Ray Brownrigg 29 Mar '99

29 Mar '99

UniForum NZ would be delighted to host an informal lunch time meeting of the NZ Network Operators Group on Friday 16 April from 12:00 midday, to permit open discussion of current network issues in a neutral forum. Further, there is the opportunity to use a small conference room (easily seating 30) at around that time (either immediately before or after lunch). I will reserve a room tentatively from 10:30am to 1:30pm, but if you would like these times extended, please contact me. Lunch will be provided free for those who are attending the NOG meeting, sponsored by ISOCNZ and UniForum NZ. Alternately for those NOG members wishing to make a full day of it, special one-day conference registrations are available. These cost $150 including GST, and include attendance at all the Friday (ISOCNZ Day) conference sessions, Morning and Afternoon Tea, and all the conference documentation. In addition, for those wishing to stay on, tickets are available for the Conference Dinner, including Champagne hour and after-dinner entertainment, for $90 including GST. Further information on the UniForum NZ '99 programme is available from the UniForum NZ web site at www.uniforum.org.nz, or via autoresponder from conference-info(a)uniforum.org.nz. Ray Brownrigg UniForum NZ '99 Conference Convenor --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by Donald Neal 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>>> Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> 29/March/1999 10:18am >>> [...] >> Would this be a good topic for a NOG meeting at Rotorua? >Yes, I would have thought so. Although I am slightly scared of attending >now, given the likely amount of beer that will be apparently forced >down my throat within minutes of entering the bar :) What you need, Joe, is an "open beer relay", which automatically forwards unwanted beer to other beer consumption nodes within reach as defined by some reasonable nearness algorithm. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

Roger De Salis wrote >I have asked the conference organisers to post an informal invitiation >to the list >to hopefully attract all of the nog readers to an informal meeting. > >There is also a great deal going on with WIPO/ICANN, and the hacking >debate within NZ will not go away. I would like to raise both >the issues in an informal meeting. If NOG are going to meet to discuss a peering exchange, it should stick to just that, not venture into other things. Unless of course beer is provided, then it wont matter. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply -Reply
by Donald Neal 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>>> "Tony Wicks" <tonyw(a)iconz.co.nz> 29/March/1999 04:21pm >>> Where do I find the details ( dates etc ) of this Uniforum Meeting ? See http://www.uniforum.org.nz/1999/conf99.html for Uniforum NZ conference information, and http://www.uniforum.org.nz/1999/programme-timetable.html for the timetable. The obvious place to put an NZNOG BOF in the existing timetable would be between 17:30 and 19:30 or so on Friday 16th, but it may well be necessary to start earlier to fit in any serious discussion of an exchange point. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 04:21:00PM +1200, Tony Wicks wrote: >> Where do I find the details ( dates etc ) of this Uniforum Meeting ? > >www.uniform.org.nz Too many beers in the last message header! I doubt you will see many people in unifrom :-) Try http://www.uniforum.org.nz regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by Warwick Glendenning 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

no really for Joe it is B(eer)GP that its the best routing protocol to use it is better than OWMF (open widest mouth first) -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 29 March 1999 10:52 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply >>> Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> 29/March/1999 10:18am >>> [...] >> Would this be a good topic for a NOG meeting at Rotorua? >Yes, I would have thought so. Although I am slightly scared of attending >now, given the likely amount of beer that will be apparently forced >down my throat within minutes of entering the bar :) What you need, Joe, is an "open beer relay", which automatically forwards unwanted beer to other beer consumption nodes within reach as defined by some reasonable nearness algorithm. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>I believe the main stumbling block was that it was not a neutral >exchange. We certainly are very interested in connecting to and >helping to support a neutral exchange in Auckland. Sounds reasonable. How about each provider draws up a list of expectations / requirements and post them to this list? That way we can see what things everybody thinks important, and thus determine what we *must* get right for everybody to get onboard. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Uniforum NZ '99 - Who Goes?
by Donald Neal 27 Mar '99

27 Mar '99

NZNOG People, Roughly how many of you are planning to be at Uniforum NZ next month? Yes, I'm going. I await with interest Roger de Salis' attempt to sell me a VoIP network. But I'm also interested in knowing whether I should be trying to drag along one or more of the IPNet operational staff, and yes, whether organising a BOF of any kind would be worthwhile. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 27 Mar '99

27 Mar '99

Hi. > We recently abandoned this arrangement due to lack of interest from > everyone else, this was very disappointing. I believe the main stumbling block was that it was not a neutral exchange. We certainly are very interested in connecting to and helping to support a neutral exchange in Auckland. -Craig -- Craig Anderson Internet ProLink NZ Limited --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 26 Mar '99

26 Mar '99

>Brendan Black - Network Engineer/Gravity Enforcement Officer, Telecom Internet >Services What does a Gravity Enforcement Officer do in a Telco ? >I know we are mentioned in Joe's list, and I can confirm that we are interested 2DAY is also interested regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Uniforum NZ '99 - Who Goes?
by Robert Gray 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

> Does anyone on the list not owe Joe a beer? :) I believe I may have that honour Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by Joe Abley 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Hi, Much has been bandied around in conversation over the past few months regarding the possibility of establishing a neutral peering point in Auckland. Some points/ideas which have been discussed are: + Location - a recurring idea seems to be the Sky Tower, which is well served by CLEAR and Telecom fibre, and is a good high point for exchange participants who want to haul bits back to their Auckland PoP using unlicenced spread-spectrum radio/DMR. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has approached Sky City about this (yet); + Infrastructure - experiences elsewhere show that a L2 exchange is preferable over a L3 one -- i.e. the exchange infrastructure should be no more than a (switched) layer-2 fabric over which exchange participants can negotiate their own IP-layer arrangements; + Legal/financial - Craig Holmes of Telstra has experience in building (legal) frameworks for international under-sea cable landing, and has confidence that something similar can be set up for internet peering in Auckland; + Sponsorship - Various vendors have expressed an interest in contributing equipment to form the layer-2 exchange fabric; + Agreements - in general, bilateral peering arrangements between individual exchange participants are far more flexible (and far easier to manage/find agreement on) than multilateral exchange-wide peering policies; + Route exchange - by BGP4 through individual bilateral peering arrangements (no route server). Publication of policy is up to individual participants, although a central repository (e.g. in the RADB) might make automated filter generation simpler; + IP Addressing - Bill Manning of ISI has address space available to number exchanges which meet his criteria; this address space would not lie within supernet advertisements of any particular exchange participant, which makes it easy for the route to the exchange network to not be advertised outside NZ; + Operational policy and support - initially at least, best effort, no uptime guarantees; nobody should _depend_ on the exchange fabric for business-critical traffic, but should consider the fact that it works a bonus -- this is all in the interests of getting something working quickly without getting bogged down in service level agreements. This _is_ the Internet, after all :) + Communication - through the NZNOG list, unless people object (in which case we can start another list, somewhere else if necessary); + Measurement - none. If participants are interested in traffic statistics across the exchange, they can sort something out privately; + Privacy - "no snooping the ether". "No messing with other peoples' gear". Note that at this stage no decisions have been made, and these are all just ideas. If there is sufficient support, there would seem to be nothing on this list that couldn't be sorted out in the next few months. This message is a request for involvement for any networking organisation who has interest in participating in an exchange of public IP traffic in Auckland. Organisations which have expressed an interest in Auckland peering (in one form or another, at some point in time, not authoritative, in no particular order, no flames please ;) include: CLEAR ICONZ NetGate Xtra IBM NZ Iprolink Telstra NZ Compass Voyager NetLink KC I presume there are more. Stand up and be counted! Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by Robert Gray 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Joe Abley wrote: > I presume there are more. Stand up and be counted! Love to know more. (That is of course a general statement, not just in regard to this specific issue). I will however continue to sit. Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Strange routing loop to ftp.scott.aq
by Joe Abley 24 Mar '99

24 Mar '99

Hi, Route to ftp.scott.aq has been looping between Telecom and Telstra NZ, although a trace now shows packets disappearing into ComNet: Trace from noc.clix.net.nz (203.167.224.28): Traceroute to ftp.scott.aq (161.65.109.201), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 ba1-atm1-0-1.Auckland.clix.net.nz (203.167.224.1) 0.816 ms 0.636 ms 0.769 ms 2 bi1-atm0-0-2 (203.97.2.241) 2.553 ms 1.461 ms 1.489 ms 3 Serial5-1.nzsx2.Auckland.telstra.net (203.98.4.249) 5.743 ms 4.833 ms 4.869 ms 4 Serial1.nzix.Hamilton.telstra.net (203.98.4.142) 9.774 ms 9.517 ms 9.588 ms 5 comnet.nzix.waikato.ac.nz (140.200.128.57) 12.287 ms 15.640 ms 14.452 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * We now know a route for 161.65.0.0/16 via BGP from Telstra NZ (4763) and via OSPF from 140.200.128.57 (ComNet); we were previously learning a route from Telecom for this via OSPF in Hamilton. Anybody know what is going on? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Cisco 2511
by Tony Wicks 15 Mar '99

15 Mar '99

I have several ( and 33k6 rack modems ) that we no longer have in production, send me an email, and we can work out a deal. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Tuesday, 16 March 1999 18:39 Subject: Cisco 2511 >I'm trying to find two Cisco 2511s to help people in the island of Nuie >get a local ISP business bootstrapped. If anyone has a 2511 that they'd >be willing to sell at a reasonable price then I'd like to hear. > >Thanks, >andy >-- >Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Tel: +64 4 494 6162 >Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand >-- >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco 2511
by Andy Linton 15 Mar '99

15 Mar '99

I'm trying to find two Cisco 2511s to help people in the island of Nuie get a local ISP business bootstrapped. If anyone has a 2511 that they'd be willing to sell at a reasonable price then I'd like to hear. Thanks, andy -- Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Tel: +64 4 494 6162 Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net: They're at it again...]
by Joe Abley 12 Mar '99

12 Mar '99

Cross-posted from the nanog list, because I think it's funny :) ----- Forwarded message from John Fraizer <John.Fraizer(a)EnterZone.Net> ----- Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu X-Sender: tvo(a)pop3.enterzone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:49:53 -0500 To: nanog(a)merit.edu From: John Fraizer <John.Fraizer(a)EnterZone.Net> Subject: They're at it again... Precedence: bulk As if it weren't bad enough that the pointy-haired management types are constantly taking credit for any innovation or improvement we make in our day-to-day duties as the keepers of the bits, our beloved Vice President has now decided to take credit for creating the internet! "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore, Idiot Extraordinare' http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/18390.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ ML.ORG is gone. Check out http://www.EZ-IP.Net - It's *FREE* ------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your *FREE* Parked Domain account at http://www.EZ-Hosting.Com ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Fraizer | __ _ | The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer(a)EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation PGP Key fingerprint = 7DB6 1CA2 DAA6 43DA 3AAF 44CD 258C 3D7E B425 81A8 ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Scheduled Outage Sunday 28th March
by Warwick GLENDENNING 11 Mar '99

11 Mar '99

-----Original Message----- From: bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com [mailto:bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, 12 March 1999 15:54 To: Dennis(a)waikato.ac.nz; warwickg(a)waikato.ac.nz Subject: Scheduled Outage Sunday 28th March Central Park Move From: Terry Bowden(a)IBMNZ on 12/03/99 15:53 ZE12 To: Dennis(a)waikato.ac.nz, warwickg(a)waikato.ac.nz cc: Subject: Scheduled Outage Sunday 28th March This note is to advise of a scheduled outage of IBM Auckland Internet Services. On Sunday 28th March, 8:00 pm, the IBM Internet backbone router, Internet Dial-In Gateway, and Internet Servers will be relocated. All of this equipment will be moved from 385 Queen Street to the IBM site at Central Park, Penrose. During this time, your leased line connection to IBM will not be operational. The equipment will then be reconnected and made operational with target completion time of 4:00am Monday morning 29th March. The time has been chosen to match our scheduled maintenance window. Please advise any users who may be affected by this outage. Regards, Terry Bowden, Network Services Delivery Manager Ph (09) 359-8660 Cell 025-277-1214 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Mar '99

01 Mar '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had 67 subscribers, with the count growing by one or two each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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eCommerce to change traffic patterns?
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

Are all you system architects out there prepared for the increase in national traffic between providers as retail and distribution sectors start bringing their business on-line ( wont even mention voice over ip) Just how big are our pipes carrying traffic between providers in NZ? I know you big access boys are sinking your investment into International IP to meet the demand of residential surfers, but what what your national connectivity? We have just upgraded our primary domestic route to Netgate to 2Mbps to cope with the increased traffic expected from new business over the next 3 months. Is this a topic of interest on a Friday, or is the pub more inviting :-) ? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: limiting smtp message size
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

>Since Peter asked the question I have been snooping around and found that >quite a few >US ISP's operate with 3-5 Meg Limitations. I am feeling very generous now. That would seem a bit light for business to business communication (which most of our traffic is). Ok for Joe Bloggs residential customer perhaps. Our limit of 10Mb is a compromise I guess. Its designed to protect customers from themselves. I have had more than one occasion to pull mail from queues (at the request of the customer) after they discover their DDS or ISDN line is saturated for ages on end :-) regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- -----Original Message----- From: Bob Baal <rbaal(a)clear.net.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Friday, 26 February 1999 14:01 Subject: Re: limiting smtp message size >At 13:34 26/02/99 +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote: >>On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:34:55PM +1300, 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: >> >>> Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by >>> mail exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? >> >>> I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for >>> rejecting a 20Mb email :-) >> >>20MB isn't unreasonable IMO... most people have limits far below this >>(as others have replied) >> > > >Bob > >CLEAR Net > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Bob Baal >CLEAR Net >Email: rbaal(a)clear.net.nz >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: limiting smtp message size
by Olof Olsson 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

> > As Joe says we have a 10Mb limit - we also have a 15Mb limit on the > > mailbox size. > > What do you do when the mailbox exceeds this size, fail all new > messages, or defer them? > > We bounce them, with the bounce-message saying that the customer's mailbox is full. --Olof -- Olof Olsson <oolsson(a)clear.co.nz>, System Architect, CLEAR Net CLEAR Communications Ltd, Private Bag 92143, Auckland, New Zealand --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: limiting smtp message size
by Bob Baal 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

At 13:34 26/02/99 +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote: >On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:34:55PM +1300, 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > >> Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by >> mail exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? > >> I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for >> rejecting a 20Mb email :-) > >20MB isn't unreasonable IMO... most people have limits far below this >(as others have replied) > Since Peter asked the question I have been snooping around and found that quite a few US ISP's operate with 3-5 Meg Limitations. I am feeling very generous now. Bob CLEAR Net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bob Baal CLEAR Net Email: rbaal(a)clear.net.nz =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: limiting smtp message size
by Joe Abley 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

As Joe says we have a 10Mb limit - we also have a 15Mb limit on the mailbox size. I had a complaint about being unable to pass a 50Mb file a couple of days ago! Bob CLEAR Net Ops. On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:34:55PM +1300, 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by mail > exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? > > I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for rejecting a > 20Mb email :-) !We have a 10Mbyte limit for customer mail (and a 5Mbyte limit for mail !to clear.co.nz). !Tell your customer "man split" :) Joe --------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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limiting smtp message size
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by mail exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for rejecting a 20Mb email :-) regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: INET'99 Network Training Workshop
by Barry Raveendran Greene 24 Feb '99

24 Feb '99

[FYI - Please pass along to those individuals, institutions, and ISPs would could use the this specialized training.] -----Original Message----- From: Carla Rosenfeld [mailto:carla(a)isoc.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:34 AM To: ALAN(a)VM1.MCGILL.CA Cc: carla(a)isoc.org Subject: INET'99 Network Training Workshop Dear Friends- Please forgive the delay in sending a copy of the 1999 Network Training Workshop announcement and application. There are only two more weeks until the deadline. We would appreciate it if you could distribute this to the appropriate individuals as soon as possible. Thank you for your help and support of this valuable program for countries in the early stages of internetworking. Regards, Carla Rosenfeld Manager of Conferences Internet Society ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ INTERNET SOCIETY 1999 Network Training Workshop For Countries in the Early Stages of Internetworking ~ 13-20 June 1999 ~ NOTE: To help ensure the largest possible pool of qualified applicants, recipients of this e-mail message are encouraged to re-distribute, wherever appropriate, this announcement and application, in its entirety, among developing country professionals and those working with development issues in developing countries. For a copy of this announcement, including the application, send e-mail to Workshop-Apply(a)ISOC.ORG. Professionals from around the world will be taught the design, operation, maintenance and management of Internetworks when they attend the Internet Society's (ISOC) 7th Network Training Workshop for Countries in the Early Stages of Internetworking, 13-20 June 1999. More than 1100 previous graduates have performed a vital role in setting up the Internet connections and networks in virtually every country that has connected to the Internet during the past six years. A new cadre of networking professionals will again be taught the technical and operational aspects of establishing and managing their national network infrastructure. The focus of the workshop is to assist countries that are either not yet connected to the Internet or are in the process of developing and enhancing an initial national Internet. For all participants, attendance at the workshop includes attendance at INET'99. Workshop participants will be able to attend the K-12 Workshop or the Developing Countries Networking Symposium, scheduled 21-22 June 1999, at no charge if they pre-register. The workshops are an outgrowth of and build upon the experiences of six similar workshops held during 1993-1998 at Stanford University, U.S.A., Czech Technical University in Prague, Czech Republic, University of Hawaii, U.S.A., McGill University, Montreal, Canada, Petronas Training Center, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and Cité Universitaire, Geneva, Switzerland. GOALS The goals of the workshops are: 1.To train a critical mass of trainer/professionals in network infrastructure, transport, services, and management to be able to support an extension of meaningful Internet-related activities within the countries represented. 2.To identify and share individual and institutional contacts as well as information sources that will assist the process of national development, using international Internet connections. 3.To build robust professional linkages between all participants in the programs so that the mentor-student and colleague-colleague relationships formed during the workshop and conferences will remain strong and of continuing usefulness well beyond the workshop and conference. 4.To increase the level of cooperation among existing projects and activities for establishing public data networks in developing countries. 5.To train people and groups of people who will return to their country and region and who will teach others what they have learned at the workshop. PROGRAM An intensive program of instruction is planned for the workshop, composed of four instructional tracks. Participants attend only one of the four tracks, since the tracks run concurrently. All participants (except those in the National Network Management track) will engage in extensive hands-on training, either setting up a prototype network or using actual Internet resources or both, as appropriate, using the Workshop facilities . The course descriptions below include for each instructional track: 1. Who should attend the workshop. 2. What you need to know to enter the workshop and benefit from it (Prerequisites). 3. What you will learn in the workshop. 4. What you should be able to do after completing the workshop (Goals). TRACK 1: Host-based Internetworking Technology ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ WHO SHOULD ATTEND: Technical staff who are operating or installing a TCP/IP based network and providing TCP/IP based services (such as mail, file, web) to end-users. Those are involved in the establishment and/or operation of an Internet presence, possibly initiating the deployment of a basic national network infrastructure in the country. PREREQUISITES: UNIX use and preferably some UNIX system administration. Some knowledge of, and experience with, computer networks. WHAT YOU WILL LEARN: Techniques for design, set up and operation of a TCP/IP network. Knowledge of routing, network troubleshooting, interior routing protocols, domain name system, providing dial-up connectivity, and TCP/IP application servers such as mail and web. GOALS: To be able to design, set up, and operate a TCP/IP network with a permanent connection to the international Internet, and to provide TCP/IP services to end-users, using primarily PC hardware and Unix. TRACK 2: Backbone Internetworking Technology ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ WHO SHOULD ATTEND: Technical staff who are now or soon will be building or operating a wide area TCP/IP backbone network, likely with international and/or multi-provider connectivity. PREREQUISITES: UNIX use and preferably some system administration. Some knowledge of, and experience with, computer networks, preferably TCP/IP-based. WHAT YOU WILL LEARN: Techniques for design, setup, and operation of a metropolitan, regional, or national TCP/IP dedicated backbone network. Detailed knowledge of routing, network troubleshooting, backbone engineering, interior and exterior routing protocols, domain name system, NIC name and address coordination. The emphasis will be on use of dedicated routing hardware. GOALS: To be able to design, set up, and operate a metropolitan, regional, or national TCP/IP dedicated backbone network, with a permanent connection to the international Internet. TRACK 3: Internet Information Services ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ WHO SHOULD ATTEND: would-be providers of Internet-based information services; also those supporting and training potential information providers on the non-commercial Internet. PREREQUISITES: A good user-level knowledge of the various Internet services such as e-mail and the World Wide Web is highly desirable. No programming skills are required. WHAT YOU WILL LEARN: How to set up and design quality Internet Information services with emphasis on the World Wide Web. Since an important reason for your attendance will be to enable you to pass on your knowledge to others, there will be sessions on how to support and train users and providers of information. Note that this is NOT a programming course. The main topics covered will include: ~ A brief introduction to the Internet and Internet tools ~ Setting up and maintaining quality information services ~ World Wide Web servers ~ World Wide Web clients ~ Search services ~ Caching strategies ~ HTML authoring ~ How to support and train users and providers of information The following will be discussed: ~ Security issues ~ Legal and ethical issues ~ National infrastructure issues An awareness of topics such as the following will be given ~ CGI scripts ~ JAVA ~ Javascript The course is a mixture of presentations and demonstrations with emphasis on hands-on practical experience. You will work in small teams to design and set up web services during the workshop. GOALS: Ability to set up and design quality Internet Information services; ability to support and train users and providers of information. TRACK 4: National Network Management ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ WHO SHOULD ATTEND: Individuals who will have the responsibility for management of a network. The topic of "management" covers technical, operational and business management of national Internet services. PREREQUISITES: Rudimentary familiarity with the Internet, and familiarity with management of information technology at a technical level. WHAT YOU WILL LEARN: Exposure to the aspects of management of a public Internet network on a national scale, including areas of operational and policy management commonly found with Internet development. No technical or hands-on component is included, although the managerial aspects of various technical topics is covered. GOALS: Capability to manage the development of a national public Internet, guiding its development into the role of a cost effective and useful communications resource. Location The workshop activities will be held at San Jose State University in San Jose, California, U.S.A. Participants will be housed at the training facilities during the Workshop and the INET'99 Conference. Working Language The working language of the workshop will be English, good comprehension of spoken and written English will be required of each participant. Some members of the instructional staff will have some degree of proficiency in languages other than English. Dates Participants should plan to arrive at their workshop location on or before 1800 hours on Saturday 12 June, and leave San Jose after 1300 hours on Friday 25 June . Exact arrival requirements may depend on the Track selected. We will notify you of your travel requirements when you are accepted. INET'99 begins at 1800 hours, Tuesday 22 June and ends at 1230 hours on Friday 25 June. ELIGIBILITY The workshop is specifically directed toward the needs of people from developing countries who are playing or will play an important part in introducing and extending public internetworking in their countries and regions. Attendees should be involved in planning to establish or in establishing the Internet's presence in their countries and regions, in institutionalizing its operation, and/or in assisting the country's schools and universities, governmental agencies, local firms, and residents in learning about and exploiting the range of services available through the net. Staff members of international and bilateral technical co-operation agencies, as well as professionals having substantial involvement in international technical assistance activities, are also eligible for admission as space allows. Participants who have attended one or more previous Internet Technology Network Workshops (formerly Developing Countries Workshop) will be considered eligible to attend the 1999 workshop; however, these former participants must apply for a course of study other than subjects studied previously. Their request must be consistent with their responsibilities in a national and/or regional context, and a convincing argument for repeated attendance must accompany the application. This should include a statement of the activities carried out as a result of the previous workshop. Less financial aid will be available for repeat attendees than for first-time applicants. APPLICATION FOR ADMISSION PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMPLETED APPLICATION VIA THE WEB IF POSSIBLE. You might want to use a word processor and then cut and past the text into the web form. The web form is located at <http://www.isoc.org/inet99/ntw_info.shtml#form>. If you are unable to submit via the web, PLEASE SUBMIT BY ELECTRONIC MAIL IF POSSIBLE, using plain text, no attachments. Further submission instructions, fax and postal addresses are at the end of the application. Applicants will be notified of their acceptance to the program and the amount of financial aid, if any, available to them at the end of April. Please note that in this context, the workshop activity includes attendance at the INET'99 Conference. If you are admitted to the workshop, you should NOT register separately for the Conference; that will be done automatically for you. NOTE: Applicants are required to submit some form of *reliable* electronic address (Please make an effort to give an electronic mail address if possible; a reliable FAX number should also be included on your application, and can be used for correspondence if e-mail communication is not possible.) in order to expedite notification of their acceptance as well as any further correspondence. Please be sure that all of the contact information you submit is legible and accurate, or we will not be able to contact you. Visas Every visitor to the United States must have a valid passport in order to obtain the necessary visa from the U.S.A. If you apply to attend the workshop, be prepared to obtain a passport immediately upon receiving an invitation to attend, or sooner if practical, since visa procedures may be lengthy. It is the responsibility of participants to ascertain the visa requirements that apply to them and to obtain any appropriate visas (including transit visas) needed to attend the workshop and the related conference. The Internet Society will assist applicants in this matter by providing visa application information as well as information regarding the Workshop, the Society and its professional goals and activities. Costs The cost of attending the workshop and associated events is U.S. $3,500. Your acceptance may depend on your ability to provide some or all of the funding for the workshop and air transportation. This fee includes: - All tuition and fees for the workshop. - All lodging charges from Saturday, 12 June through Friday, 25 June. - All meal charges for the period starting with dinner on Saturday evening, 12 June through breakfast on Friday morning, 25 June. - Registration at the INET'99 Conference (22-25 June), including those meals and social events included in conference registration. Participants should bring the equivalent of U.S. $50 for airport transfers and departure tax. They may wish to budget approximately U.S.$50-250 for optional travel and other needs and activities (laundry, etc.) from Sunday 20 June through the morning of Friday, 25 June. For some candidates, the Internet Society will provide financial assistance to cover a part or all of each participant's overall expenditures. If you request financial aid for the workshop, please be certain to provide the financial information that will be requested in the application for admission. Financial aid will take the form of either pre-paid airline tickets for travel to and from your workshop location and the INET'99 conference, partial or total coverage of the workshop fee, or both. The overall amount of aid available will be limited. Please make all possible efforts to secure whatever funding is possible from sources known to you. If you are requesting financial aid, please tell us why it is necessary, how you expect to fund part of your expenses, and what efforts you have made and are making to obtain additional aid. Aid from ISOC may depend upon your ability to obtain partial financial support from other sources. Additional Information Specific questions regarding the workshop may be directed to Carla Rosenfeld, Manager of Conferences, by sending e-mail to Workshop-Info(a)ISOC.ORG or sent by postal mail to 1999 Workshop Info, Internet Society, 12020 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 210, Reston, VA, 20191, USA. APPLICATION FOR ADMISSION A. Personal Data ------------------------ FULL NAME: FAMILY NAME (LAST NAME, SURNAME) ONLY: Employer/Organization: Position/Title: Business Address: (not to exceed 40 characters per line) Business Telephone: Fax (if any): Email address (if any): Home Address: (not to exceed 40 characters per line) Home Telephone: At which address would you like to receive your mail? _____ Business _____ Home Which phone number do you prefer we call? _____ Business _____ Home Date of birth (day/month/year): Nationality: Name as it appears on passport or other travel document: Passport number: Country issuing passport: Are you an ISOC member? ----- yes ----- no Your ISOC member number if you know it: Knowledge of English: Please rate your knowledge in these categories: Listening/ Comprehension None Fair Good Excellent Reading None Fair Good Excellent Speaking None Fair Good Excellent Writing None Fair Good Excellent B. Course of Instruction ------------------------ Instructional track applied for (Select only one track; the tracks will run concurrently): [ ] Track 1 Host-based Internetworking Technology [ ] Track 2 Backbone Internetworking Technology [ ] Track 3 Internet Information Services [ ] Track 4 National Network Management Please indicate any specific interests within the area (track) you have chosen: C1. Technical Skills (This section to be completed only for applicants attending Tracks 1 or 2) ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Are you a UNIX user? How much have you used it? 2. Have you been a UNIX system administrator? Describe your experience (length of time, versions, etc.). 3 Have you used/administered TCP/IP networks? Describe. 4. Have you used or run a BBS? Describe. 5. Have you set up UUCP? How many times? Describe. 6. Have you set up modem initialization strings? In what circumstances? How many times? 7. What other operating systems are you familiar with (e.g. MacOS, Appletalk, MS-DOS, Novell Netware, Banyan Vines, VMS, DECNET, etc.), and for how long have you been a user or administrator of each? 8. Have you configured and operated a Domain Name System server? How many zones? 9. Have you configured routing on either dedicated router hardware or a UNIX host? If yes, please list manufacturer/model/software version(s) and protocols routed. C2. Internet Experience (This section to be completed only for applicants attending Track 3) ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Do you have experience in using the following Internet services? (Please qualify your experience using 0 to 5, 0 means no experience and 5 a lot of expertise) [ ] Email [ ] Listserver [ ] News [ ] FTP [ ] Web [ ] Other (specify): 2. Do you have experience running Internet services? (Please qualify your experience using 0 to 5, 0 means no experience and 5 a lot of expertise) [ ] Listserver [ ] News server [ ] FTP server [ ] Web server [ ] Searching/Indexing services [ ] Caching Server [ ] Other (specify): D. Description of Role in National Networking Activities -------------------------------------------------------- Your answers to the questions below will be used to determine whether to admit you to the workshop. Please be sure that your information is sufficiently clear, well organized and adequate for this purpose. 1. A summary of your educational and professional background. 2. A description of your current employer, your position, your duties and responsibilities, and how they relate to current and future data networking activities in your country. 3. A brief description of your computing and networking environment (operating systems, networking software, modems, etc.), including the connectivity of your organization to the Internet and your country's connectivity to the international Internet. 3a. Scope of your institution (check all categories that apply): [ ] Academic [ ] General Research [ ] Government [ ] NGO [ ] International organizations (UNESCO, UNDP, World Bank, etc.) [ ] Commercial [ ] Internet Provider [ ] National Network Support [ ] Special Interest Group Specify________ [ ] Other Specify________ 3b. Approximate number of full time staff at your institution: 4. How your training and current work prepare and qualify you for the track you wish to attend. 5. How you expect to use the knowledge you gain at the workshop and the INET'99 conference after you return to your country. 6. Have you have previously attended Internet Society Workshops for Developing Countries? _____ Yes _____ No If yes, 1. Year and track you attended: 2. A precise description of how you have used the training you have received in the past: 3. The significant advances in networking which have occurred in your country specifically because of your knowledge and effort: E. Financial Information ------------------------ You MUST fill out the following financial information. The cost of the workshop is $3500 1. Are you are requesting any financial aid from the Internet Society (ISOC) for attending the workshop and conference? [ ] No [ ] Yes 2. Will you provide your own airfare? [ ] Yes [ ] No 3. If you are requesting financial aid, please indicate source below: Amount provided by your institution, government, international organizations or personal contribution U.S.$__________ Amount you are requesting from ISOC U.S.$__________ TOTAL Income Required $3,500.00 PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMPLETED APPLICATION VIA THE WEB IF POSSIBLE. You might want to use a word processor and then cut and past the text into the web form. The web form is located at <http://www.isoc.org/inet99/ntw_info.shtml#form>. If you are unable to submit via the web, PLEASE SUBMIT BY ELECTRONIC MAIL IF POSSIBLE, using plain text, no attachments. The "Subject" line of the message should contain your surname or family name in the following format: Subject: NTW'99 Application: <family-name> Applications submitted electronically should be sent to: Workshop-Application(a)ISOC.ORG If you are not able to send your application by electronic mail, please return this application by fax or air mail to: Internet Society Network Technology Workshop Internet Society 12020 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 210 Reston, VA 20191-3429 U.S.A. Voice: +1.703-648-9888 Facsimile: +1.703-648-9887 For a copy of this announcement, including a blank application, send e-mail to: Workshop-Apply(a)ISOC.ORG --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APRICOT
by Robert Gray 23 Feb '99

23 Feb '99

Me. Just until Wednesday night. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)clear.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 1999 20:43 To: 2Day Chief Enthusiast Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; jabley(a)clear.co.nz Subject: Re: limiting smtp message size On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:34:55PM +1300, 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by mail > exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? > > I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for rejecting a > 20Mb email :-) We have a 10Mbyte limit for customer mail (and a 5Mbyte limit for mail to clear.co.nz). Tell your customer "man split" :) Changing subjects completely, is anybody on this list going to Apricot next week in Singapore? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Last Change for APRICOT's Early Bird Discounts!
by Barry Raveendran Greene 17 Feb '99

17 Feb '99

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Tomorrow - Friday Feb 19th - is the last chance for the APRICOT'99 Early Bird Discounts Register today at http://www.apng.org/apricot99 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Specialized and Unique Tutorials! Sign up now for these unique tutorials. Space is limited! "ISP System Administration" by Barbara L. Dijker & Evi Nemeth "Sendmail Configuration and Operation" (Updated for Sendmail 8.9) by Eric Allman "Internet QoS and Traffic Management" by Geoff Huston "Internet Exchanges: The State of the Art" by Bill Manning "Designing Scaleable IP Networks" by Justin W. Newton "Optical Internetworking" by Marty Schulman "VoIP Standards Efforts and Impacts" by Scott Bradner "Routing Policy Specification Language and Analysis Tools" by David Kessens and Cengiz Alaettinoglu "Deploying VPN's and Secure Extranets" by Bruce Perlmutter "Managing Acceptable Use" by Barbara L. Dijker "Promoting Routability" by Philip Smith "Voice and Telephony Over IP" by Drew Freyman "IPv6: The New Version of the Internet Protocol" by Steve Deering "Tools Used at Digex and Verio to Manage Their Networks" by Randy Bush & Ed Kern "Security in All Seven Layers" by Gene Deutsch "Safeguarding The Business Process: E-Commerce Security" by Dr. Kelly Jones "Broadband Wireless Local Loop" by Dewyane Hendricks "Cable Modem Protocols and Technology" by Mark Laubach "APNIC Member Training: Address Policy & Administration" by Anne Lord & Paul Wilson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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PGP Keysigning Party - APRICOT 99, Singapore, March 1-5 1999
by Barry Raveendran Greene 16 Feb '99

16 Feb '99

APRICOT 99, Singapore, March 1-5 1999 PGP Keysigning Party As at most IETF meeting and other regular networking events with sufficient participants, we will be holding a PGP keysigning party during this March's APRICOT/ICANN/APNG/APNIC Meetings & Singapore Linux Conference in Singapore. Quick Facts: ============ Key Submission: Deadline: All keys must be received in the submission email box by Wednesday, 3 March 1999, 18:00 (Singapore Time !) Submission pgp(a)apricot.net email address: Subject: APRICOT PGP KEY Format: Please send your key as normal ASCII text. The keys should NOT be sent as attachments or in any proprietary format (like eg MS Word etc). PGP Formats PGP 2.6 (RSA) and PGP5 (RSA and D/H) Supported Note: Keys sent to any other address or sent with a different subject may not be included in the official Apricot 99 PGP keyring! Event details: Date: Thursday, 4 March 1999 Time: 18:00 - 19:30 Venue: Suntec City Convention City Room MR203 (Level 2) Status: BOF (Birds of a Feather ...) (ie *all* are welcome, as long as your key has been received on time. No APRICOT/SLC etc registration required !) Please check the APRICOT Notice board for any changes in Room and Time ! Instructions for Participants: ============================== 1. Who should attend 1. All people who have a PGP key The PGP Keysigning Party will enable you to obtain additional signatures (among others by noted net- personalities) for your PGP key. 2. All people who have just started to use PGP If you just started using PGP, It is unlikely that your key has been signed by (m)any other PGP users so far. To ensure that your key is trusted by the majority of the PGP users all over the world, you will be interested to have well- known net-personalities (and other people) sign your key. 3. Those who do not have a PGP key yet You will need to: 1. read up on PGP itself 2. create your own PGP key to attend the keysigning party 4. Organizations Many organizations use PGP to sign official announcements etc. Usually these organizations publish their PGP key on the web. As additional security, you may want your key to be signed by other trusted 2. Preparation - extract your public key using one of the following commands (depending on your PGP version): -UNIX PGP 2.6* $ pgp -kxa <your PGP userid> -UNIX PGP 5.* $ pgpk -xa <your PGP userid> -Win95 or other GUI Use the export function to export your implementation key to a text file For more details on the PGP commands refer to the PGP manual - send in your PGP public key. (the PUBLIC KEY!!! Never give out your PRIVATE key to anyone!!) to the submission email address listed above. Please do NOT send the key as an attachment or in any other format but ASCII ARMORED TEXT! You could cut and paste the ascii armored PGP key into the email body if necessary! - write down (print out) your own public key's fingerprint and the Key ID. Under UNIX, you can obtain the key ID and fingerprint using these commands: -UNIX PGP 2.6* $pgp -kvc <your PGP userid> -UNIX PGP 5.* $ pgpk -ll <your PGP userid> -Win95 or other GUI Check the Key Properties (in implementation PGPkeys) Here is an example of a PGP key ID and fingerprint extracted under UNIX (PGP 5.0i): Note: This also lists the signatures on this key, but we need only the first few lines (marked with **): $ pgpk -ll mathias Type Bits KeyID Created Expires Algorithm Use ** sec+ 768 0x25E082BD 1995-11-15 ---------- RSA Sign & Encrypt ** f16 Fingerprint16 = 1A 8B FC D4 93 F1 9A FC BD 98 A3 1A 0E 73 01 65 uid Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> SIG 0x25E082BD 1996-08-22 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)staff.singnet.com.sg> sig 0x101E3A11 1998-02-23 Alfonso B. Carandang <abc(a)epic.net> SIG 0x25E082BD 1996-06-09 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid mathias(a)singapura.singnet.com.sg SIG 0x25E082BD 1995-11-17 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid Mathias Koerber <Mathias_Koerber(a)pobox.org.sg> SIG 0x25E082BD 1995-11-16 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)singnet.com.sg> sig 0x3022C951 1995-12-18 William Allen Simpson <Bill.Simpson(a)um.cc.umich.edu> sig? 0x0DBF906D 1996-03-09 (Unknown signator, can't be checked) sig? 0x579532CD 1995-12-08 (Unknown signator, can't be checked) sig? 0x7B7AE5E1 1995-12-18 (Unknown signator, can't be checked) sig 0x76875905 1995-12-10 Angelos D. Keromytis <kermit(a)forthnet.gr> sig 0x466B4289 1995-12-07 Theodore Ts'o [SIGNATURE] <tytso(a)mit.edu> SIG 0x25E082BD 1995-11-15 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)singnet.com.sg> <Mathias_Koerber(a)pobox.org.sg> SIG 0x25E082BD 1995-11-15 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> 3. At APRICOT, before the PGP keysigning Party - periodically check the noticeboard, where the list of keys submitted for the PGP keysigning party will be posted. Your key must be submitted by the deadline to be called during the keysigning party and included in the official APRICOT PGP keyring. If you submitted your key, and it does not appear on the list, please submit it again before the deadline! 4. At the PGP Keysigning Party itself - Bring along proper PHOTO identification For other participants to sign your PGP key (which is the whole aim of this event), they must be able to verify that the key belongs to you and that you really are who you claim to be. - if you submitted a PGP key for your organization, please bring along identification which proves that you are indeed representing that organization · letter by the president/management etc on their stationery · namecard · company pass etc - obtain the list of submitted keys (this will be provided as a printout at the beginning of the party). - check that YOUR OWN public key is listed on the printout, and check its PGP KEY FINGERPRINT. Check it carefully. The fingerprint must match in *every* character Procedure ========= - During the party, we will one by one read out aloud each PGP key submitted including the KeyID, the attached userIDs (names) and the Key Fingerprint. During this the owner of the key will stand up to be recognized by the crowd. (We may need each key-owner to read their own Key fingerprint etc, unless we manage to rustle up a suitable Voice program to automatically read the keys) - During this, each participant should 1. check that the userid, name, keyid and fingerprint match what is printed on your printout 2. ensure that the person standing up acknowledges the key as his own 3. note which keys checked out ok and which ones haven't - After all keys have been read, you are encouraged to 1. verify the owners' identities by checking their supporting documents (Photo ID) 2. especially carefully verify the credentials for those who want an organization's key signed. 5. After the PGP Keysigning Party - obtain the official APRICOT 99 keyring from http://www.koerber.org/apricot99/ This will be available sometime after the keysigning party. A more detailed announement will be posted on the APRICOT Notice Board. There will be 2 keyfiles, one with only PGP2.6 keys, the other containg all (PGP2.6 and PGP5) keys - decide whose keys you would want to sign (using your notes made during the keysigning party) You should only sign keys if you have *very carefully* verified the key's integrity and the owner's supporting documents (passport etc). If there is any doubt as to a person's identity or ownership of a key, do NOT sign that person's key !! - sign these people's keys with your own PGP PRIVATE KEY, using your PGP software - export/save the signed keys into ASCII files (see the PGP manual) - either send the signed public keys to the keys owner (recommended) or to one of the public PGP keyservers. It is recommended that you send the key to the owner, so that they can decide themselves which signatures to send to the keyservers. - If you had presented your own key, you may want to check the public pgp keyservers periodically to see whether other participants have sent in new signatures for your own key. If so, you may want to obtain you own public key from the server and add it (actually only the additional signatures) to your own keyring. If another participant has sent you your key with a new signature, you will want to add the new signature to your own keyring, and then send the key to the public PGP keyservers. ========== Background ========== What is PGP? PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) is a standard (and a program implementing that standard) providing strong authentication and encryption for email (and other networking applications such as internet phone) using a public key system. Why is PGP important? From the PGP FAQ (http://www.at.pgp.net/pgpnet/pgp-faq/) You should encrypt your e-mail for the same reason that you don't write all of your correspondence on the back of a post card. E-mail is actually far less secure than the postal system. With the post office, you at least put your letter inside an envelope to hide it from casual snooping. Take a look at the header area of any e-mail message that you receive and you will see that it has passed through a number of nodes on its way to you. Every one of these nodes presents the opportunity for snooping. Encryption in no way should imply illegal activity. It is simply intended to keep personal thoughts personal. Xenon <an48138(a)anon.penet.fi> puts it like this: Crime? If you are not a politician, research scientist, investor, CEO, lawyer, celebrity, libertarian in a repressive society, investor, or person having too much fun, and you do not send e-mail about your private sex life, financial/political/legal/scientific plans, or gossip then maybe you don't need PGP, but at least realize that privacy has nothing to do with crime and is in fact what keeps the world from falling apart. Besides, PGP is FUN. You never had a secret decoder ring? Boo! -Xenon (Copyright 1993, Xenon) What is keysigning, and why is it important? Again, see the FAQ: http://www.at.pgp.net/pgpnet/pgp-faq/faq-06.html What is a PGP Keysigning party? A PGP keysigning party is not a party in the sense of celebration. It is unlikely that alcohol will flow or hors d'oevres be passed out. As PGP uses a public key system, it usually is easy to obtain some person's public PGP key (which is required to securely converse with that person or to verify that person's authorship or identity). The usual method for this is to either ask the person directly for their PGP key. Another method is to request it from a public PGP keyserver, which is like a worldwide replicated directory of PGP public keys. More info? You can find more information on PGP at these webpages: PGP Inc.: http://www.pgp.com PGP.net: http://www.pgp.net International PGP Homepage: http://www.ifi.uio.no/pgp/ There is a PGP discussion newsgroup named comp.security.pgp and its FAQ: http://www.at.pgp.net/pgpnet/pgp-faq/ There is a book on PGP published by O'Reilly & Associates: Simson Garfinkel: PGP: Pretty Good Privacy 1st Edition December 1994 1-56592-098-8, Order Number: 0988 430 pages, $29.95 see: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pgp/noframes.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG BOG at Uniforum '99
by Donald Neal 14 Feb '99

14 Feb '99

Joe, I'm due to be there. Must write paper soon, too. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG BOG at Uniforum '99
by Joe Abley 14 Feb '99

14 Feb '99

Hi all, Last year a few of us got together at Uniforum to drink beer^H^H^H^H^H^H^H discuss serious issues, resulting in (amongst other things) this list being a bit more widely used. It was also kind of nice to put faces to e-mail addresses. Just a quick straw-poll - who's thinking about going to Uniforum '99 in Rotorua? Enough to organise a BOF at the bar? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG BOG at Uniforum '99
by Mark Davies 13 Feb '99

13 Feb '99

From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)patho.gen.nz> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:35:25 +1300 > Oh good lord, damn my typing. That's "BOF", not "BOG". And I thought you were implying something :-) Well I am thinking of going to some of it, unfortunately it clashes with another very important event. cheers mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Surplus Equipment
by Robert Gray 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

I know this is not the place to discuss selling/buying surplus network equipment, but (in common with others?) we have collected quite a bit gear which is somewhat specialist in nature and surplus to requirements. In other words Trade and Exchange is not an appropriate outlet. Anyone found a good place to trade such gear? Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Christchurch Recycler details herewith
by Les Chapman 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

G'day all Electronic details for Christchurch PC Recycling company are Molten Metal Christchurch bj(a)molten.org.nz (Brett Hayward) This message is sent via Outlook 2000, if any issues please contact me TTFN Les Chapman mostly a gopher at Swichtec/odtaa/ThincNZ asker of at least half-remarkable questions proudly resident in Canterbury on the Brains Plain elsie(a)stmartins.school.nz bosandals(a)stmartins.school. trouble(a)stmartins.school.nz bufonidae(a)stmartins.school.nz les(a)stmartins.school.nz (pick 'n' mix emailing <G) Phone: +64-3-343-3314(friendly answerperson) Fax: +64-3-343-5100 Dungeon: +64-3-332-9143(moi occasionally) Voicemail: +64-3-332-4998(always) http://www.swichtec.co.nz http://www.intergy.co.nz http://www.electroflash.org.nz http://www.stmartins.school.nz "aibohphobia - fear of palindromes?" "Be Alert - for we need more of them!" "wisdom - is knowing a deja-vu when you stumble across one" "if at first you don't succeed - trier drier grain" "The mind is like a parachute - its useless unless its open" "if something goes without saying - let it! "Schools need curriculum, not technology!" "A woman who tries to emulate men lacks vision" "I wish this BETA guy would stop testing our software!" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APNIC "Policies for Address Space Management in the Asia Pacific Region"
by Joe Abley 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

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RE: Surplus Equipment
by Frank March 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

Schools may be interested in good quality equipment which is replaced because of upgrading (ie is still perfectly serviceable or readily repaired). A national consortium of computer recyclers has been set up to channel good quality equipment at minimal cost into schools and not-for-profit organisations (schools are the main emphasis). I am copying this to their mailing list. Briefly AFAIK at present there are just three recyclers: Bob Lye (The Ark) in Auckland; Richard Darton (PCRC) on Wellington and another group in Christchurch (apologies to the folk down there, I dont know who you are). These people are attempting to live from these activities but margins are low so they really appreciate DONATIONS of gear ;) Computer (and other IT equipment) recycling is endorsed as part of the series of initiatives from the Ministry of Education for IT in schools. Another very good contact group is NetDay99.. contacts and information at the web site http://www.netday.net.nz/ NetDay is also backed by the Ministry of Education and many other fine institutions. Netday provides very basic networks for schools (a basic 8 or 16 port hub and Cat 5 cabling) but routers, servers etc etc are badly needed. Frank March Specialist Advisor IT Policy Group, Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Telephone: +64 4 474 2908; Fax: +64 4 471 2658 (Please note new Fax number) > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Gray [SMTP:bobg(a)clearview.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 8:30 AM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Surplus Equipment > > I know this is not the place to discuss selling/buying surplus network > equipment, but (in common with others?) we have collected quite a bit gear > which is somewhat specialist in nature and surplus to requirements. In > other > words Trade and Exchange is not an appropriate outlet. > > Anyone found a good place to trade such gear? > > Robert Gray > Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand > bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ > Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP at NZIX. Mmm.
by Warwick GLENDENNING 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

>WebFarm blames Ihug for its network becoming inaccessible, because of action Ihug took >following a network attack. But Ihug director Nick Wood doesn't believe the 16-hour outage was >its fault. He says Ihug was being attacked by someone he claims was on the WebFarm network. "We >blocked their network on our router and Waikato's router, for some reason, at NZIX learned the >route." IHUG doesn't directly connect to NZIX. They are behind Telecom's router. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)patho.gen.nz] Sent: Monday, 8 February 1999 01:15 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: BGP at NZIX. Mmm. http://www.idg.co.nz/nzweb/ca6a.html Looks like another good reason to use a routing protocol that can be filtered at NZIX :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had 66 subscribers.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to arrange meetings over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: BGP at NZIX. Mmm.
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

> Looks like another good reason to use a routing protocol that can be filtered > at NZIX :) But the article said it had only one in a million chance of happening. Apparently the latest version of IOS supports the following: redistribute static odds 1:1000000 ignore-filters -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BGP at NZIX. Mmm.
by Joe Abley 06 Feb '99

06 Feb '99

http://www.idg.co.nz/nzweb/ca6a.html Looks like another good reason to use a routing protocol that can be filtered at NZIX :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ Promiscuous Mail Relay Survey
by Joe Abley 06 Feb '99

06 Feb '99

Hi again, Further to my message on this subject the other day, I decided to send an informational note to postmaster addresses at hosts that I had found to be relays. Some readers of this list will have received copies. Although I have received quite a bit of positive feedback from the notes I sent out, it seems that I have inadvertantly upset some people. If you are one of them, then sorry - I didn't mean to intrude. I have put some information about the survey (and a list of the frequently- asked questions so far) at: http://www.patho.gen.nz/~jabley/survey.html Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ promiscuous relay survey
by Joe Abley 05 Feb '99

05 Feb '99

Last night I performed a crude survey in an attempt to find out something about the proportion of SMTP mail relays which permit promiscuous relaying in NZ. The methodology is by no means flawless, but it might give an idea of the scope of the problem. If anything, the proportion of mail relays which are open is understated, due to: + an incomplete list of mail relays in NZ to check; + a rather nasty SMTP implementation hacked together for this purpose that isn't very flexible and makes various poor assumptions; + mail relays which were broken at the time of the test; + mail relays which _will_ relay my mail back to be counted, but which haven't yet. Anyway, here are the results -- comments welcome! Out of 3751 MX hosts that we tried to use as a relay: + 269 (7%) accepted our message, but later bounced it + 1208 (32%) relayed our message OF the messages that were relayed: + 929 (76%) were from hosts named under co.nz + 33 (2%) were from hosts named under net.nz + 72 (5%) were from hosts named under govt.nz + 15 (1%) were from hosts named under ac.nz + 22 (1%) were from hosts named under school.nz + 0 (0%) were from hosts named under iwi.nz + 8 (0%) were from hosts named under gen.nz + 38 (3%) were from hosts named under org.nz + 1 (0%) were from hosts named under mil.nz I will not publish the list of MX hosts that did or did not permit relaying in this experiment. If you'd like to enquire about whether an MX host that you maintain relayed our message, please contact me directly. Methodology: 1. Zone transfers were performed for the NZ second-level domains co.nz, ac.nz, mil.nz, gen.nz, org.nz, school.nz, iwi.nz, and net.nz. 2. For every key in each of these zonefiles with an NS record, the key was extracted. A unique list of keys with NS records was generated. 3. MX records for each key were harvested from the DNS and a unique list of mail exchangers to be tested was produced. 4. A message with envelope sender jabley(a)patho.gen.nz and envelope recipient relayed(a)patho.gen.nz was sent by connecting to each relay and talking SMTP. Each message contained a random key which was stored in a local database. 5. Every time a message was received with a matching key in the body text and addressed to relayed(a)patho.gen.nz, the local database was updated indicating that the MX host in question permitted the relay. 6. All SMTP connections were made from tardis.patho.gen.nz (203.97.2.226) between 0500, Feb 5 1999 and 1400, Feb 6 1999. 7. MX hosts which specifically (intentionally) permit mail relaying from tardis.patho.gen.nz were excluded from summary reports. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Traceroutes
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 04 Feb '99

04 Feb '99

Hi. > I suspect many of you know of the DIGEX site which allows you to > traceroute (and other things) from a web page [...] My favorite "Address" to use with DIGEX (select "bgp"): regex _MYASNUMBER_ Obtaining a full BGP table dump is left as an exercise for the reader :-) -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The APRICOT Week at a Glance ( Version 1.1 ) - The Asia Pacific Internet Festival of 1999
by Barry Raveendran Greene 02 Feb '99

02 Feb '99

[Apologies for the Duplications] !! Early Bird Sign up ends on 12 Feb! !! !! REGISTER NOW by Going to the on-line to !! !! http://www.apng.org/apricot/apricot.html !! !! and save $50 USD on registration cost !! The APRICOT Week at a Glance ( Version 1.1 ) The Asia Pacific Internet Festival of 1999 Venue: SunTec City Convention Centre, downtown Singapore Dates: 28 February 1999 to 7 March 1999 URL: http://www.apng.org/apricot99 (in English, Japanese, Korean, and Chinese) APRICOT'99 will consist of two days of tutorials (1-2 March 1999) and seminars followed by three days of conferences consisting of concurrent Technical, Business, Education, Policy and other tracks. (3-5 March 1999) In addition to other back-to-back meetings of Asia Pacific Internet organizations APNG, APNIC, APIA, APTLD, and their respective working groups, and other Internet conferences such as Internet World Asia @ Singapore 1999 and Singapore LINUX Conference 1999, APRICOT'99 will be hosting within its conference tracks: * ICANN Meeting, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, the successor organization to IANA. (3 March 1999) * APPLe Policy Track * Women in IT BoF * APNG Education Track * APSIRC WG (Security CERTs and FIRSTs in Asia and Pacific) * Regional Internet eXchange Point (IXP) Update BOF * APIA Business Track In it's tradition of empowering the Internet community, APRICOT'99 will again offer unique tutorials that vital to an ISP's operations. These tutorials are presented by an instructor team that is the top %1 of the ISP Community. Through APRICOT, they are offering the ISP and Telco community knowledge, experience, and information that is not available in any other forum. Some of the material is unique - one time only at APRICOT'99. For example, "Tools Used at DIGEX and Verio to Manage Their Networks" by Randy Bush & Ed Kern, is unique in that the internal network techniques and tools of two US Tier 1 ISPs will be shared with any who come to the tutorial. New and existing ISPs/Telcos can learn from the first hand experience gained from two gurus and apply them to their networks. Here is a list of the APRICOT Tutorials: "ISP System Administration" by Barbara L. Dijker & Evi Nemeth "Sendmail Configuration and Operation" (Updated for Sendmail 8.9) by Eric Allman "Internet QoS and Traffic Management" by Geoff Huston "Internet Exchanges: The State of the Art" by Bill Manning "Designing Scaleable IP Networks" by Justin W. Newton "Optical Internetworking" by Marty Schulman "VoIP Standards Efforts and Impacts" by Scott Bradner "Routing Policy Specification Language and Analysis Tools" by David Kessens and Cengiz Alaettinoglu "Deploying VPN's and Secure Extranets" by Bruce Perlmutter "Managing Acceptable Use" by Barbara L. Dijker "Promoting Routability" by Philip Smith "Voice and Telephony Over IP" by Drew Freyman "IPv6: The New Version of the Internet Protocol" by Steve Deering "Tools Used at Digex and Verio to Manage Their Networks" by Randy Bush & Ed Kern "Security in All Seven Layers" by Gene Deutsch "Safeguarding The Business Process: E-Commerce Security" by Dr. Kelly Jones "Broadband Wireless Local Loop" by Dewyane Hendricks "Cable Modem Protocols and Technology" by Mark Laubach "APNIC Member Training: Address Policy & Administration" by Anne Lord & Paul Wilson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that all room numbers refer to those at the SunTec City - Singapore International Convention and Exhibition Center (SICEC) Date Time Room Event ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MR 204 APNG I18n/XDSL WG (APNG WG SLAP Sunday, 28 0800-1230 cancelled) Feb MR 205 vacant 1300-1800 MR 209 APNG Disability SWG ENABLE'99 Symposium ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0900-1800 MR 208, 209, 8 APRICOT Tutorials 306, 308-314 MR204 APNG AP-ISOC Meeting (unconfirmed) 0800-1230 MR205 APNG APSIRC WG Meeting Monday, 1 Mar MR307 APNG-APTLD Meeting on Internationalisation of the DNS MR 206 APTLD Workshop on DNS Policy 1330-1800 MR 307 APNG General Meeting APNG Chairman's Commission 1830-2130 MR 307 Critical Infrastructure Protection ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0900-1800 MR 208, 209, 8 APRICOT Tutorials 306, 308-314 ICANN Board Committee Meetings Tuesday, 2 0800-1800 MR 204-207 (closed door) Mar 0800-1230 MR 307 APTLD Country Reports Track 1330-1800 MR 307 APTLD Membership General Meeting Evening To be APRICOT Opening Reception determined (unplanned) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Opening and Plenary 0900-0945: MR 201 Keynote: Professor Dave Farber 0945-1300: MR 201 ICANN Open Track Wednesday, 3 1330-1700 MR 205 ICANN Open Track Mar 1330-1700 MR 202,203 2 APRICOT Technical Tracks 1330-1700 MR 208 APRICOT Business Track APRICOT BOF 1800 - 1930 To be - Peering/Exchanges determined - Y2K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Plenary Keynote 0900-1000 MR 205 Chris Moore Van Jacobson Thursday, 4 1030-1700 MR 202,203 2 APRICOT Technical Tracks Mar 1030-1700 MR 208 APRICOT APNG Educational Track APRICOT BoFs 1800 - 1930 To be - iDNS determined - PGP signing - Women in IT BOF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Plenary Keynote Ms Esther Dyson, ICANN 0900-1000 MR 208 Mr Leong Kheng Thai, Director General, Telecommunications Friday, 5 Authority of Singapore Mar 1030-1700 MR 208 APRICOT APPLe Policy Track 1030-1700 MR 202, 203 APRICOT Technical Track 1030-1700 MR 204 APNIC Executive Council Meeting Evening To be APRICOT Social Event(unplanned) determined ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 6 0800-1800 MR 202 APNIC Annual General meeting Mar 0800-1800 MR 201 APIA AGM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Home Page http://www.apng.org/apricot99/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Traceroutes
by Michael Newbery 01 Feb '99

01 Feb '99

I suspect many of you know of the DIGEX site which allows you to traceroute (and other things) from a web page, but I was recently made aware of a whole page of similar sites, allowing traceroutes from almost anywhere in the world. DIGEX has proved most useful in the past in finding oddball misconfigurations, such as routes that go OUT one way and BACK quite another. <http://www.traceroute.org/> <http://nitrous.digex.net> -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 "There were no survivors sir. We'll have to find another test market." --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic
by Warwick GLENDENNING 28 Jan '99

28 Jan '99

> > On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 01:05:11PM +1300, Warwick GLENDENNING wrote: > > We(Waikato) currently still use OSPF on NZIX to collect NZ > routes. And this > > is vital to our traffic metering. A new metering system is > being built to > > use BGP4 to download NZ routes from our traffic provider. > Once this has been > > done, we will be very keen to download NZ routes from major > ISPs on NZIX and > > OSPF can be decommissioned. > > Supposing that a general agreement to move to BGP was made > earlier than > your planned roll-out - presumably as long as Telecom were > able to make > the NZ table available on OSPF to you, your requirements > would be satisifed? > This is true. > There is no particular necessity for us all to speak OSPF, > right? I would > assume that your particular requirements were an issue > between you and your > service provider, and not a general exchange issue. > > Just exploring ideas :) > This is true too. We only provide layer 2 connectivity. ISPs on NZIX don't have to follow some certain routing protocol. It should depend on their interest. But it should be said that Kawaihiko had multiple service providers and NZIX was the place where most of domestic traffic got exchanged. It's why Waikato has used OSPF to collect NZ routes from NZIX. Since Kawaihiko network broke up, we have been trying to build a new way to meter traffic. It will be appreciated very much if Clear can keep OSPF running until we have rolled out the new metering system. Regards Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IOS configuration lint script
by Joe Abley 26 Jan '99

26 Jan '99

[This message has also been posted.] Hi, At various times I have been involved in maintaining routers with lots of (sub)interfaces, and lots of static routes pointing down those subinterfaces. Unfortunately, a simple "show run" on a router produces a listing with all the static routes listed together, and all the subinterfaces listed separately. On a router with a lot of static routes and a lot of connected networks, this becomes a bit of a headache - you end up with static routes hanging around long after the subinterface has been removed, and spring cleaning usually results at least a couple of confused and unhappy users for whom inbound traffic is now spiralling off somewhere else. Even when this kind of configuration is made automatically (from a database which enforces referential integrity), the odd quick-fix static route added at some time might well hang around for years after it has stopped being useful. I have often wished that I could do a "show run" which would group IOS configuration by customer. Now I can! Hooray! Take an IOS configuration file (as tftp'd or rsh'd somewhere, or perhaps retrieved using ciscoconfd) and pass it through this awk script. The configuration will be re-sorted, so that: + most configuration comes first + (sub)interface configuration comes next, with corresponding static routes + all other static routes come next + "end" The static routes corresponding to a connected (sub)interface are hence shown grouped with that subinterface. All static routes that don't point at a connected network are listed separately right at the end, where they can be scruitinised and (if appropriate) removed. Example: The following stripped-down configuration: version 11.1 service timestamps log datetime localtime service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname eg ! clock timezone NZST 12 clock summer-time NZDT recurring 1 Sun Oct 2:00 3 Sun Mar 2:00 enable secret 5 hohoho ! interface ATM5/0 mtu 1500 no ip address no ip route-cache optimum atm ilmi-keepalive 30 atm pvc 999 0 16 ilmi ! interface ATM5/0.2 point-to-point description customer1's network ip address 192.168.24.1 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 502 2 120 aal5snap inarp ! interface ATM5/0.3 point-to-point description customer2's network ip address 192.168.24.5 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 503 2 51 aal5snap inarp ! interface ATM5/0.4 point-to-point description customer3's network ip address 192.168.24.9 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 504 2 52 aal5snap inarp ! interface ATM5/0.5 point-to-point description customer4's network ip address 192.168.24.13 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 505 2 53 aal5snap inarp ! ip name-server 203.97.33.1 ip name-server 203.97.37.1 ip classless ip route 10.1.4.0 255.255.252.0 192.168.24.14 ip route 172.16.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.24.6 ip route 172.18.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.24.2 ip route 192.168.25.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.24.14 ip route 192.168.27.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.24.42 ! line con 0 exec-timeout 0 0 length 20 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 exec-timeout 0 0 password 7 humhumhum length 25 ! end When run through ios-lint.awk, we get: ! generated by cisco_lint.awk ! version 11.1 service timestamps log datetime localtime service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname eg ! clock timezone NZST 12 clock summer-time NZDT recurring 1 Sun Oct 2:00 3 Sun Mar 2:00 enable secret 5 hohoho ! ip name-server 203.97.33.1 ip name-server 203.97.37.1 ip classless ! line con 0 exec-timeout 0 0 length 20 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 exec-timeout 0 0 password 7 humhumhum length 25 ! interface ATM5/0 mtu 1500 no ip address no ip route-cache optimum atm ilmi-keepalive 30 atm pvc 999 0 16 ilmi ! interface ATM5/0.2 point-to-point description customer1's network ip address 192.168.24.1 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 502 2 120 aal5snap inarp ! ip route 172.18.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.24.2 ! interface ATM5/0.3 point-to-point description customer2's network ip address 192.168.24.5 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 503 2 51 aal5snap inarp ! ip route 172.16.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.24.6 ! interface ATM5/0.4 point-to-point description customer3's network ip address 192.168.24.9 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 504 2 52 aal5snap inarp ! interface ATM5/0.5 point-to-point description customer4's network ip address 192.168.24.13 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 505 2 53 aal5snap inarp ! ip route 10.1.4.0 255.255.252.0 192.168.24.14 ip route 192.168.25.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.24.14 ! ! ! The following static routes do not point to a connected interface. ! Some of these might be worth looking at more closely :) ! ip route 192.168.27.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.24.42 ! end Much nicer :) Anyway, sorry about all the bandwidth - script is at: http://www.patho.gen.nz/pub/users/jabley/ios-lint.awk Feedback welcome. Share and enjoy. Joe -- Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> I am not speaking for CLEAR. In fact, Network Architect, CLEAR Net I'm not speaking at all. I'm typing. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP over NZIX
by Warwick GLENDENNING 25 Jan '99

25 Jan '99

Hi Felix Your email implies that you are waiting only for Waikato to implement BGP at NZIX. This does not appear to be a fair call, as no one else on the mailing list that Joe Abley posted to has made any comment on whether they would BGP peer or not at NZIX and especially the largest ISP in NZ Telecom. Regards Warwick -----Original Message----- From: tossan(a)us.ibm.com [mailto:tossan(a)us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 1999 08:19 To: WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz Cc: abley(a)clear.co.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz; p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz; steve(a)webmasters.co.nz; bpearson(a)telstra.co.nz; colinb(a)nz1.ibm.com; skatta(a)nz1.ibm.com; bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com; cholmes(a)telstra.co.nz Subject: BGP over NZIX IBM Global Network position re peering protocol, as explained earlier in teleconf, is we peer exclusively using BGP-4. We see no nationale in using OSPF to collect and distribute interprovider routes. In fact we have started to use BGP Communities within our global Internet BB to direct routes which previously was done by OSPF, thus further reducing OSPF role. Under the NZIX switching network we wish to pursue BGP peerings with all ISPs there who are capable, including Waikato. We await for Waikato to fully implement its BGP capability. Felix Tossan ---------------------- Forwarded by Felix Tossan/White Plains/IBM on 01/25/99 01:59 PM --------------------------- Warwick GLENDENNING <WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz> on 01/24/99 07:05:11 PM To: "'Joe Abley'" <jabley(a)clear.co.nz>, Warwick GLENDENNING <WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz> cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, "'lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz'" <lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz>, "'p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz'" <p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz>, "'steve(a)webmasters.co.nz'" <steve(a)webmasters.co.nz>, Felix Tossan/White Plains/IBM, bpearson(a)telstra.co.nz, colinb(a)nz1.ibm.com, skatta(a)nz1.ibm.com, bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com, cholmes(a)telstra.co.nz Subject: RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic We(Waikato) currently still use OSPF on NZIX to collect NZ routes. And this is vital to our traffic metering. A new metering system is being built to use BGP4 to download NZ routes from our traffic provider. Once this has been done, we will be very keen to download NZ routes from major ISPs on NZIX and OSPF can be decommissioned. Regards Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BGP over NZIX
by tossan＠us.ibm.com 25 Jan '99

25 Jan '99

IBM Global Network position re peering protocol, as explained earlier in teleconf, is we peer exclusively using BGP-4. We see no nationale in using OSPF to collect and distribute interprovider routes. In fact we have started to use BGP Communities within our global Internet BB to direct routes which previously was done by OSPF, thus further reducing OSPF role. Under the NZIX switching network we wish to pursue BGP peerings with all ISPs there who are capable, including Waikato. We await for Waikato to fully implement its BGP capability. Felix Tossan ---------------------- Forwarded by Felix Tossan/White Plains/IBM on 01/25/99 01:59 PM --------------------------- Warwick GLENDENNING <WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz> on 01/24/99 07:05:11 PM To: "'Joe Abley'" <jabley(a)clear.co.nz>, Warwick GLENDENNING <WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz> cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, "'lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz'" <lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz>, "'p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz'" <p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz>, "'steve(a)webmasters.co.nz'" <steve(a)webmasters.co.nz>, Felix Tossan/White Plains/IBM, bpearson(a)telstra.co.nz, colinb(a)nz1.ibm.com, skatta(a)nz1.ibm.com, bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com, cholmes(a)telstra.co.nz Subject: RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic We(Waikato) currently still use OSPF on NZIX to collect NZ routes. And this is vital to our traffic metering. A new metering system is being built to use BGP4 to download NZ routes from our traffic provider. Once this has been done, we will be very keen to download NZ routes from major ISPs on NZIX and OSPF can be decommissioned. Regards Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic
by Warwick GLENDENNING 24 Jan '99

24 Jan '99

We(Waikato) currently still use OSPF on NZIX to collect NZ routes. And this is vital to our traffic metering. A new metering system is being built to use BGP4 to download NZ routes from our traffic provider. Once this has been done, we will be very keen to download NZ routes from major ISPs on NZIX and OSPF can be decommissioned. Regards Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic
by Warwick GLENDENNING 21 Jan '99

21 Jan '99

For our customers we apply community tags to routes so that customers can differentiate between routes learnt from off-shore BGP peers, and those learnt from within NZ - I would imagine that Telecom can do something similar for you. I would keen to hear Telecom NZ view as they seem to have been very quiet on this topic? Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic
by Warwick GLENDENNING 21 Jan '99

21 Jan '99

Waikato has no objection to carriers or ISP's running BGP meshes at the NZIX if it provides a more robust service. However from Waikato's perspective (and possibly for other smaller NZIX users) we would prefer that routers connected to the NZIX also ran OSPF as we use this process to collect NZ routes and differentiate between domestic and international traffic for our campus IP traffic metering.It is possible that other NZIX users do the same. OSPF is also less complex to manage for smaller users with fewer highly skilled network staff. Thanks and best regards Warwick *********************************************************************** Warwick Glendenning NZCE REA Dip.Mgt.St. Network Services Manager Information and Technology Services University of Waikato Private Bag 3105 Hamilton, NZ Tel:07-8384363 Fax:07-8384066 mobile: 025-356121 email:warwickg(a)waikato.ac.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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