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Re: [nznog] Temporary IP tunnel to Digiweb
by Stephen Sheehan 17 Apr '07

17 Apr '07

The tunnel through Jasper fell through, can anyone else help? Thanks Stephen Chillisoft ltd --- Stephen Sheehan <axpunix(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:03:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Stephen Sheehan <axpunix(a)yahoo.com> > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Temporary IP tunnel to Digiweb > > Hi, > > Is anyone able to provide an IP tunnel to bypass the > telstra clear outage, 128k will be fine. We need > access to our extranet based at digiweb in > christchurch. > > Thanks > > Stephen > Chillisoft Ltd > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Temporary IP tunnel to Digiweb
by Stephen Sheehan 17 Apr '07

17 Apr '07

Hi, Is anyone able to provide an IP tunnel to bypass the telstra clear outage, 128k will be fine. We need access to our extranet based at digiweb in christchurch. Thanks Stephen Chillisoft Ltd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Email to SMS gateway
by Clark Mills 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

Hi all. I read this on one of our internal mailing lists, thought it might be of interest / use. We use something like this for server monitoring but it's not so good if your email server / network is down, aside from the potential lagginess [SP?] that sometimes occurs with the SMS service. Still, it may have some value to you. Of course if any information below is wrong, please let me know. Cheers... Clark ================================================================================= [forwarded & edited] If you are on Vodafone, you can 'register' you phone by texting the letter R to the number 901. You should then get back a 'you are registered etc' welcome message. Once your phone is registered anyone/thing can send you a txt by using an email address such as: 6421123456(a)sms.vodafone.net.nz Where your mobile number is presumed to be 021-123456. As far as I know, there is no charge for this service.

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Re: [nznog] Email to SMS gateway
by Stewart Fleming 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

We use the Psychic Hotline. When anything is about to go down, they give us a call and we can get it fixed before it causes a problem. -- -- Tel: 03 474 2100 Cell: 021 993 125 Web: www.wic.co.nz Co-location and Web hosting. Dunedin-wide wireless. Independent Internet Service Provider.

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Re: [nznog] Email to SMS gateway
by Phill Mckenna 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

We use a combination of SMS messages sent via a Wavecom GSM Modem for server and network link and services monitoring, and our main alarm system connects via xml to a "datashed" gateway which gives us handset availability notification, automatic escalation and fallback to a Telecom CDMA modem for backup. In addition we send a test message once an hour to a remote site, if the message isn't heard, it triggers a timer that eventually triggers a voice dialer. Telecom paging was our previous provider, however as they keep continuing to threaten to phase this out, we moved over to SMS some time ago. Phill Mckenna Operations Technology Manager Kapiti Coast District Council Operations Centre DDI: +64 4 296 4753 Fax: +64 4 296 4733 Mobile: +64 027 555 5753 E mail: phill.mckenna(a)kapiticoast.govt.nz -----Original Message----- From: Alastair Johnson [mailto:aj(a)sneep.net] Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 11:30 a.m. To: NZ Network Operators Group Subject: Re: [nznog] Email to SMS gateway Erin Salmon - Unleash wrote: > We actually use a Nokia cellphone and a data cable. I'm not aware of a > method which guarantees delivery. We are in the CBD and I note sometimes > when all those nightclubbers are frantically messaging each other messages > occasionally don't make it to the recipient. Best solution to my mind is > just to send a message periodically until a reply is sent to the system to > dismiss the notification. That is a reasonably practical solution. It has the nice side effect of ensuring that even if the message does get delivered, whoever is on call isn't ignoring it. I looked at this a while ago, and used an external mail-to-SMS provider (Bulletin Wireless) which worked fine. Obviously having an out-of-band path to them is also handy. As someone else mentioned, Telecom's analog paging service is also reliable and easy to automate. Pagers tend to work when out of cell coverage or in deep dark basements. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ##################################################################################### This e-mail message and any attached files may contain confidential information, and may be subject to legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete. Unless formally stated, this e-mail and any attachments do not necessarily reflect the views of the Kapiti Coast District Council. The Council takes extensive precautions with the aim of detecting and removing any virus or defects from its e-mail system but accepts no liability for loss or damage should this e-mail not be virus or defect free or should there be any errors in transmission. #####################################################################################

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Vodafone Peering
by Philip D'Ath 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

Does Vodafone peer with anybody in NZ? I've been playing with an HSPDA card, and every traceroute (even to IHUG!) always go directly to the US. I would thought they would at least peer with the other two major Telco's in NZ.

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Re: [nznog] Save your money and hassle
by John ＠ netTRUST 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

> [Reply] > > John, > > What do you use to drive it? I see the ActiveXperts software is another > US$395 .... > > Must be a simpler way. SMS link http://smslink.sourceforge.net/ Pro's works well once setup and tuned. Has support for MySQL Supports all major SMS modems though I'm unsure of the support for Nokia or any cellphone. Con's - slow to process send / receive (as is most software because the msgs get stored on the SIM card first) Good for low traffic, unsuited to bulk send/receive. Note to the person suggesting using a cellphone. SMS modems use a pretty standardised AT command set and you talk to them just like you would to a modem. Cellphones AFAIK usually have proprietory interfaces.

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Save your money and hassle
by John ＠ netTRUST 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

We exclusively use SMS modems here. The Wavecom is the best you can buy and only slightly dearer then the cheaper models. http://www.itx.co.nz/index.php?cPath=29 is a company I've dealt with before and they are allright.

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Re: [nznog] Email to SMS gateway
by Philip D'Ath 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

Actually, SMS does offer "guaranteed" delivery. It doesn't matter if the phone is off, an error occurs in communication, a data circuit goes down ... However there are limits. If the message cannot be delivered (such as end device failure) then you can request a receipt to get notification of this. I don't recall ever noticing a lag of hours for SMS delivery (I don't ever recall a TXT taking more than 60s to be delivered) but I guess different TXT processing systems use different methods for getting the TXT into the network for delivery. -----Original Message----- From: Jasper Bryant-Greene [mailto:j(a)digiweb.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 11:15 a.m. To: Philip D'Ath Cc: Samuel Collinson; Dan Clark; NZ Network Operators Group Subject: Re: [nznog] Email to SMS gateway On this - we have found SMS to be a bit unreliable lately, with messages being delivered hours late or not at all. I am aware that SMS does not provide "guaranteed delivery" - what methods are others on this list using to send alerts reliably? Cheers Jasper

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Affordable Voltage Monitoring over Ethernet?
by Dan Clark 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

Gidday, Just wondering if any network operators etc here are using or have seen any kind of device that can measure voltage/current out there somewhere on a network and we can interrogate it remotely and may even send alerts etc if drops below threshold etc? Would have to be resonably affordable, and in simple kit form or off the shelf. If nothing available that anyone can think of I may develop something along these lines, cheap, simple, ethernet, and probably 12V Open for discussion if anyone remotely interested. Regards Dan

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MP3 streaming data usage
by John ＠ netTRUST 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

Anyone have any idea how much data would be consumed each day streaming MP3 at 128kbps audio stream rate? Thanks.

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Re: [nznog] MP3 streaming data usage
by Richard Naylor 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

At 03:38 p.m. 16/04/2007 +1200, Neil Gardner wrote: >Ergh... Hate to say this, but don't you have that 10 bits to the byte >thing approximately ass-backwards? No. As I said, I come from an Ancient World (TM), where we debugged protocols like DDCMP with a Tek Logic Analayser, scope or logic probe. None of this Ethereal stuff, ethernet hadn't escaped from PARC and Vint was still drawing on envelopes. RS-232 was modern, current loop was till very active (sorry, no pun intended). (Probably Michael Newberry is the only one who will get it anyway, Andy and Sid say they're too young, and the others are looking blank) Each Byte is (or was) a START bit, 8 data bits, PARITY and a STOP or IDLE bit. So we always approximated it to 10 bits. (different devices handle parity bits different ways, it used to be that if there was no parity, no bit was used. LSI USARTS started the trend towards always having a bit used. This is a world where a serial port took up a whole UNIBUS slot (ie a card 400mm by 200mm). As I said, its an approximation for budgeting purposes and comes from an ancient era. Have you found the beer yet ? R

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Re: [nznog] Affordable Voltage Monitoring over Ethernet?
by Richard Naylor 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

At 04:10 p.m. 16/04/2007 +1200, Dan Clark wrote: >Gidday, > Just wondering if any network operators etc here are using or have seen > any kind of device that can measure voltage/current out there somewhere > on a network and we can interrogate it remotely and may even send alerts > etc if drops below threshold etc? >Would have to be resonably affordable, and in simple kit form or off the >shelf. > >If nothing available that anyone can think of I may develop something >along these lines, cheap, simple, ethernet, and probably 12V >Open for discussion if anyone remotely interested. google for a Link-10 or Link-20, I think they now do ethernet, it used to be serial, but you just chucked in a Lantronix thingy

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Re: [nznog] MP3 streaming data usage
by Richard Naylor 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

At 02:49 p.m. 16/04/2007 +1200, Neil Gardner wrote: >Dammit - I know we've been asked to stop this, but now something >interesting has happened... you found the beer ? >Richard, you, who I know has great experience in this, have posted >figures that are UNDER my very basic but probably right theoretical >minimums > >How do you fit 3600 seconds at 128kbps into 46MB ? I get 56.25MB... I have this ancient spreadsheet with a few assumptions.... I basically round 10bits to the byte to cover overheads in the packet, etc. So a data rate of say 128kbps is 12.8KB per sec or 0.13Mbps 768KB per minute or 7.68Mbps 46080 KB per hour or 460.9 Mbps or 46.08 MBytes per hour Remembering that you will get silence and various other things (outages, etc) it will always be an approximation. It just gives you a feel for the order of magnitude of the bill :-) Most stations actually have a second stream in reserve for special "promotional" occassions and they kick them into life every now and then, just to muck up the stats. The biggest use of it has been to work out that a 10GB plan is OK for radio stations at 32Kbps streams. Now that 40+GB plans are out, folks are looking at webcams again and it looks like we can stream a camera and stay inside a 40GB plan at 128k video, which isn't too bad looking. I should probably rework the spreadsheet for HD streams at 10Mbps. It looks like 5TB a month. And yes, IPV6 and multicast will solve all our problems, including world hunger and the endless shortage of beer. But I'm showing my age......

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Re: [nznog] IPv6 Incentive
by Scott Weeks 14 Apr '07

14 Apr '07

--- andy(a)nosignal.org wrote:---------------- ip is a means to an end, I don't craft packets for fun, I do work or have fun, and ip occurs as a way to send my messages from A to B. --------------------------------------------- ding, ding, ding! From the many lists discussing these issues recently, we finally have a winner! Most folk don't care about v4, v6, v8 or v<insert stuff here>. They want to do something and they 'just want it to work'. 99.999% couldn't give less than a crap how that happens. scott BTW 6,525,170,264 x .00001 = 65250 That's this: World — Population: 6,525,170,264 (July 2006 est.) https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/xx.html times one minus five nines 65250 is about how many of there are who do give more than a crap about how that happens. Beer...MMMM... 8-)

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[Fwd: Re: IPv6 Incentive]
by Gerard Creamer 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

On 13/04/2007 4:24 p.m., Craig Whitmore wrote: >> I'm not a porn fan myself, but from other types of media, 10G isn't that >> much. >> Maybe if they put 1TB of porn and 1TB of free tv content from a major >> studio, then we'd have an experiment. >> Would it be better to be Geek TV (Dr Who, Firefly, etc) or Jo Public TV (Lost, Grey's Anatomy, all 500 seasons of Coro St etc)? I think Geek TV would get more drive for it. Like it would happen though. >> > > There is some content at http://www.ipv6porn.co.nz. (If you have IPv6) Looking at http://www.v6.co.nz/ on the 'Who Provides IPv6' there's nothing - is there an NZ provider of IPv6? I know this topic has come up on the list before, and it usually degrades in circular discussions - it would be nice to hear 'Yes, ISP X offers IP6 within NZ'. Without anyone spieling on about the glories of their own wares, of course :^) Gerard

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New Sepctrum Auction
by Paul Horak 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

Plans for auctioning the 2.3Ghz band for BWA/WiMAX have been published: http://www.rsm.govt.nz/auctions/auction09/index.html I think there is a real opportunity here for some of us to get access to spectrum. At present the lions share (or possibly all of it) will go to two or three companies to build a nationwide network. There is also a proposal to allocate some spectrum for regional operators under a "Managed Park". I suspect there are quite a few people interested in this who have not yet been in contact with RSM - it is essential that you let RSM know your interest and you respond to this consultation document. If the vast majority of comments come from the large providers wishing to deploy nationwide networks then I suspect there will be little or no regional spectrum available. I would also be grateful if you can contact me off list if you have an interest in obtaining spectrum for regional use. I have some ideas that might help our cause that I would like to share. Cheers, Paul NetSmart Ltd http://www.netsmart.co.nz/, Level 2, Regency House, 1 Elizabeth Street, P O Box 15020, Tauranga, New Zealand Tel: 07 5711367 Fax: 07 5711372

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Re: [nznog] IPv6 Incentive
by Scott Weeks 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

--- steve(a)focb.co.nz wrote: Scott Weeks wrote: > > --- andy(a)nosignal.org wrote:---------------- > ip is a means to an end, I don't craft packets for fun, I do work or > have fun, and ip occurs as a way to send my messages from A to B. > --------------------------------------------- > > ding, ding, ding! From the many lists discussing these issues > recently, we finally have a winner! Most folk don't care about > v4, v6, v8 or v<insert stuff here>. They want to do something > and they 'just want it to work'. 99.999% couldn't give less > than a crap how that happens. : or are you saying that there are only 65,250 clueful IP/IT : engineers in the world or people working in related fields ? This one. Clueful IP engineers in the world that also care about the version of IP used more than leaving a crap. :-) : Feel like citing references for your 99.999% figure ? It was just for fun and to make the point that most people in the world just don't care how stuff moves around the internet. They just want it to get to where they tell it to go. The five nines comes from many marketing-speak droids when telling everyone that their network has 5-nines of uptime. Of course with no more details than just that... <8-0 <== that's a crazy-eyed marketing droid babbling marketing-speak. scott

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Some graphs of .nz domain statistics
by Blair Harrison 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Hi Guys, I took some of the data provided from the DNC website here: http://dnc.org.nz/story/30221-51-1.html and turned it into some graphs. You can check this out in either HTML or XLS format at my website: http://jedi.school.nz/nzdg.html Hope this is interesting viewing for someone :) Cheers, Blair

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IPv6 Incentive
by Andrew Ruthven 10 Apr '07

10 Apr '07

Hey, During the NZNOG conference it was joked that if the next WoW pack required IPv6 then IPv6 would be rolled out by the ISPs (and transit providers) for the next morning. See the attached mail for an experiment that might be cause it to be rolled out for that evening... Cheers! -- Andrew Ruthven, Wellington, New Zealand At home: andrew(a)etc.gen.nz | This space intentionally | left blank.

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Re: [nznog] IPv6 Incentive
by Simon Lyall 10 Apr '07

10 Apr '07

I think this thread should confine itself to technical matters. Discussion of how to promote ipv6 usage should avoid language and concepts that might be offensive to some people (or their work's filters). Discussion about what is or is not offensive should not be conducted on the list. Simon. Moderator. -- Simon Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 09 Apr '07

09 Apr '07

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS9889 descr: advertised to AS9560 by Maximum Internet Ltd - AS9889 members: 123.100.64.0/18^18-29, 202.89.32.0/19^19-29, 203.89.160.0/19^19-29, 202.55.96.0/20^20-29, 210.55.100.0/22^22-29, 210.55.104.0/22^22-29, 192.138.251.0/24^24-29, 202.6.5.0/24^24-29, 202.6.116.0/24^24-29, 202.27.204.0/24^24-29, 202.36.70.0/24^24-29, 202.36.227.0/24^24-29, 202.37.72.0/24^24-29, 202.37.181.0/24^24-29, 202.49.141.0/24^24-29, 202.150.102.0/24^24-29, 203.12.15.0/24^24-29, 203.97.42.0/24^24-29, 210.54.13.0/24^24-29, 210.54.142.0/24^24-29, 210.55.169.0/24^24-29, 210.55.214.0/24^24-29, 210.55.230.0/24^24-29, 203.167.219.56/29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)maxnet.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070111 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS9889 descr: advertised to AS9560 by Maximum Internet Ltd - AS9889 members: 123.100.64.0/18^18-29, 202.89.32.0/19^19-29, 203.89.160.0/19^19-29, 202.55.96.0/20^20-29, 202.189.160.0/21^21-29, 210.55.100.0/22^22-29, 210.55.104.0/22^22-29, 192.138.251.0/24^24-29, 202.6.5.0/24^24-29, 202.6.116.0/24^24-29, 202.27.204.0/24^24-29, 202.36.70.0/24^24-29, 202.36.227.0/24^24-29, 202.37.72.0/24^24-29, 202.37.162.0/24^24-29, 202.37.181.0/24^24-29, 202.49.141.0/24^24-29, 202.150.102.0/24^24-29, 203.12.15.0/24^24-29, 203.97.42.0/24^24-29, 210.54.13.0/24^24-29, 210.54.142.0/24^24-29, 210.55.169.0/24^24-29, 210.55.214.0/24^24-29, 210.55.230.0/24^24-29, 203.167.219.56/29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)maxnet.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070410 source: NZRR

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More ‘public park’ broadband wireless spectrum released
by Dan Clark 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

source from RSM update... More 'public park' broadband wireless spectrum released Further radio spectrum for broadband wireless access has been made available with changes made to the Radiocommunications (General User Radio Licence for Short Range Devices) Notice. The government has opened the 5.47 – 5.725 GHz and 57 - 64 GHz radio frequency bands as 'public park' spectrum for broadband wireless services suitable for expanding wireless local area networks (Wi-Fi) and to extend the reach of existing fibre optic networks. Access to 'public park' spectrum does not attract a licence fee. Previously licensed users in the bands should be able to continue to operate without being unduly impacted. The General User Radio Licence contains conditions to ensure that broadband wireless equipment operating in the 5.47 – 5.725 GHz band does not cause interference to existing radar operations that share this band. Access to the 5.47 – 5.725 GHz band augments access to the 2.4 GHz and 5.8 GHz bands and more than doubles the spectrum that is now exclusively available for wireless local area networks. The General User Radio Licence also contains conditions to ensure that broadband wireless access equipment operating in the 57 – 64 GHz band minimises interference, and maximises reliability and utility within the band. Access to this spectrum may be used to provide short-range (~1 Km) high capacity (1 Gbit/sec) point-to-point links used to extend the reach of fibre-optic cabling, and/or to provide high speed short range backhaul for telecommunications network infrastructure.

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Re: [nznog] Telecom's "peering" change of heart really isn't
by Ian Batterbee 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

Somebody wrote: > >Oh, and on your point about universities, I think you will find that most > >(all?) of them already peer. UoA, which is far-and-away the largest university > >in the country, certainly peers at APE. > AUT doesn't peer with APE because it seems a little redundant as we have a connection through Orcon, who peer at APE We also connect to TCL and to KAREN.

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Re: [nznog] Telecom's "peering" change of heart really isn't
by Martin Kealey 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

> [...] there are no common and widely accepted > definitions of what peering and other related terms actually mean, > where 'widely' encompasses the whole of industry. We need to take off our techie hats and put on our lawyerie or accountant ones. How about this: Neutral Peering is peering at a Neutral Location. A Neutral Location is one where the entity providing the location does not provide connectivity to that location (or does so "at arms length" and competing equally with all other connectivity providers). A Neutral Location may be any physical size, provided that the location provider does not charge for traffic or bandwidth between participants within the location. In other words, Citylink metro qualifies as a location encompassing all of Wellington, because there is no charge within the "location". Telecom "peering" does not qualify beccause you can't backhaul your own cable and knock on their door saying "where do I plug in". Or if you could, you wouldn't get peering on an arms-length cost basis. -Martin

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