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OT - Linux Systems Administrator
by Edward Yardley 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

**OFF TOPIC** Hi All, Any Linux Systems Administrators looking for work in Wellington please contact me off list or call me on (04) 499-1276. This is a new role, will involve establishing security (intrusion detection), Red Hat environment. Kind Regards Edward. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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Re: [nznog] 02.net
by Lamar - 02.Net Internet Services 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

As Neil pointed out, 02.Net has not gone bust and is still trading. Due to the recent IPNET issue with Telecom, we decided for the money actually made on dialup services and the level of support required that we would no longer continue providing this service. As for Craig's statement about "unable to sell any services.." this is incorrect our Dialup (and all other services) are still working until customers swap over to Orcon (who are contacting customers with our permission). In short, we're getting out of dialup internet because there is no money in continuing these types of services. We are focusing more on corporate and higher speed products, with a lesser level of support required. So, you will still see us around. Any questions or queries can be sent directly through to myself. -- Regards, Lamar (02.Net's Director). >>From the 02.net.nz website... > >>If you are an Internet customer of 02.Net, due to circumstances > outside of our >>control, 02.Net is unable to continue supply of Dialup services at > this time. We >>are working to get this resolved. However, in the meantime Auckland > based ISP >>Orcon Internet Limited have taken over our Dialup customer database. >> >>Orcon will be in contact with Internet customers to advise a change in > dialup >>numbers. However, the statements that Orcon's helpdesk are giving out > of 02.Net >>Internet Services Limited going bust are incorrect. We are trying to > contact the >>Orcon helpdesk manager to get this resolved. >> >>If you have any questions relating to this or any other matters, > please feel free >>to call us on 0800 4 02NET (0800 4 02638) > > Craig - Sure it may be the case, but they have stated specifically on > their web-page that they haven't gone bust. Surely it's not worth making > such statements unless you actually know what's happening? > > Cheers - Neil Gardner. > > > >>>> "Craig Spiers" <craig(a)concept.net.nz> 17/01/2005 1:49:46 p.m. >>> > Maybe of interest to some people on the list.. > > > > 02.net.nz appears to have gone bust - well not gone bust as such, but > is > unable to sell any services.. > > > > > > > NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential > information intended only for the use of the addressee > named above. If you are not the intended recipient of > this message you are hereby notified that you must not > disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this message in error please > notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual sender, except where the sender has the > authority to issue and specifically states them to > be the views of Allied Telesyn Research. > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Alternative DSL?
by Jonathan Brewer 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

Questions for NZNOG: In a new apartment building with CAT5 run from each unit to a central closet, installed by the developers, who owns the CAT5? If the CAT5 is the property of the building body corporate, is it permissable for an alternative network operator to install their own mini-DSLAM, and provide alternative DSL to building occupants? If this unit is not using Telecom lines, does it need to be Telepermit approved? If competitive DSL is run over spare pairs (not in use by TelecomNZ), will there be any implications for residents who subscribe to JetStream? Am I going to end up in pain for asking these questions? Cheers, Jon

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RE: [nznog] Alternative DSL?
by Regan Murphy 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

I read a contract for a development in Auckland recently. There was a clause regarding services that stated that the purchaser must purchase electricity/gas/water from the company that the developers specify. There was also a clause that made it compulsory for future buyers to agree to this too. It may or may not have extended this to other services - I'm not sure - this development also had cat-5 cabled throughout and mentioned broadband internet access as an available service. This clause, among others, put me off investing in the development. I'm pretty sure that to answer your question you would need to check the contracts signed by the owners and check the body corporate rules - I doubt you will get a single situation that covers all developments. You will probably need to negotiate with the manager/body corporates at each location. -- Regan ________________________________ From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 3:28 p.m. To: 'nznog' Subject: [nznog] Alternative DSL? Questions for NZNOG: In a new apartment building with CAT5 run from each unit to a central closet, installed by the developers, who owns the CAT5? If the CAT5 is the property of the building body corporate, is it permissable for an alternative network operator to install their own mini-DSLAM, and provide alternative DSL to building occupants? If this unit is not using Telecom lines, does it need to be Telepermit approved? If competitive DSL is run over spare pairs (not in use by TelecomNZ), will there be any implications for residents who subscribe to JetStream? Am I going to end up in pain for asking these questions? Cheers, Jon ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal #####################################################################################

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RE: [nznog] Alternative DSL?
by Kristy Edwards 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 15:28 To: 'nznog' Subject: [nznog] Alternative DSL? Questions for NZNOG: In a new apartment building with CAT5 run from each unit to a central closet, installed by the developers, who owns the CAT5? I believe this would be the owner of the building, or the body corporate (which consists of the tenants of the apartments of the building). If the CAT5 is the property of the building body corporate, is it permissable for an alternative network operator to install their own mini-DSLAM, and provide alternative DSL to building occupants? Yes this is permissable. Obviously the building owner / manager would need to approve this. But if the building owner is doing an 'under-the-table' deal with Telecom and stops other providers providing their alternative DSL to building occupants, this can be considered anti-competitive behaviour and Telecom could be taken to the commerce commission for this. If this unit is not using Telecom lines, does it need to be Telepermit approved? No, as it is not using telecom lines! They would need to have their own lines into the building, however. If competitive DSL is run over spare pairs (not in use by TelecomNZ), will there be any implications for residents who subscribe to JetStream? Apart from interference, I would not believe so. Am I going to end up in pain for asking these questions? Cheers, Jon

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Re: [nznog] 02.net
by neil gardner 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

>From the 02.net.nz website... >If you are an Internet customer of 02.Net, due to circumstances outside of our >control, 02.Net is unable to continue supply of Dialup services at this time. We >are working to get this resolved. However, in the meantime Auckland based ISP >Orcon Internet Limited have taken over our Dialup customer database. > >Orcon will be in contact with Internet customers to advise a change in dialup >numbers. However, the statements that Orcon's helpdesk are giving out of 02.Net >Internet Services Limited going bust are incorrect. We are trying to contact the >Orcon helpdesk manager to get this resolved. > >If you have any questions relating to this or any other matters, please feel free >to call us on 0800 4 02NET (0800 4 02638) Craig - Sure it may be the case, but they have stated specifically on their web-page that they haven't gone bust. Surely it's not worth making such statements unless you actually know what's happening? Cheers - Neil Gardner. >>> "Craig Spiers" <craig(a)concept.net.nz> 17/01/2005 1:49:46 p.m. >>> Maybe of interest to some people on the list.. 02.net.nz appears to have gone bust - well not gone bust as such, but is unable to sell any services.. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesyn Research.

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02.net
by Craig Spiers 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

Maybe of interest to some people on the list.. 02.net.nz appears to have gone bust - well not gone bust as such, but is unable to sell any services..

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RE: [nznog] Alternative DSL?
by Richards, David 15 Jan '05

15 Jan '05

Any reason why you aren't thinking Ethernet? - Provided the distances are shot. An Ethernet switch is a lot cheaper than a DSLAM. -- David Richards, Senior Network Engineer IT Services Unit - 'Enabling people through technology' Christchurch City Council, New Zealand Phone: +64 3 941 8689 | Fax: +64 3 941 8989 | Mobile: +64 27 242 7689 email: David.Richards(a)ccc.govt.nz ________________________________ From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 15:28 To: 'nznog' Subject: [nznog] Alternative DSL? Questions for NZNOG: In a new apartment building with CAT5 run from each unit to a central closet, installed by the developers, who owns the CAT5? If the CAT5 is the property of the building body corporate, is it permissable for an alternative network operator to install their own mini-DSLAM, and provide alternative DSL to building occupants? If this unit is not using Telecom lines, does it need to be Telepermit approved? If competitive DSL is run over spare pairs (not in use by TelecomNZ), will there be any implications for residents who subscribe to JetStream? Am I going to end up in pain for asking these questions? Cheers, Jon ********************************************************************** This electronic email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the Christchurch City Council. If you are not the correct recipient of this email please advise the sender and delete. Christchurch City Council http://www.ccc.govt.nz **********************************************************************

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Re: [nznog] RE: Telecom Outage
by blair.robson＠ihug.co.nz 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

Actually other ISPs look like they were effected, Ihug's MOTD suggests this, SNAP had issues too. IPNET or lower level outage.... > > I am interested to know how many other ISPs are effected > by this. > > None. All ISP's using IPNET would be effected (so prolly most of em) > > > Must be a major at Telecoms end. > > What makes you say that ? actually, dont bother answering > this question. You are incorrect in your assumption. > > > Seems to have started at around 10am yesterday! > > Then no doubt they will be working on it, maybe you could > ring them and ask for updates instead of posting this > stuff to the list. I think he probably posted to the list due to a lack of notification. Looks like it has been resolved now anyway. -b. :)

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RE: Telecom Outage
by James Butler 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

We run at T.Com DIA link here - from my end it appears that the primary DNS server (202.27.184.3) is down - I can get service only using their secondary James Butler IT Admin NewJobZ _________________________________________________________________ Check out news, entertainment and more @ http://xtra.co.nz/broadband

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Re: [nznog] IPNET down?.........
by blair.robson＠ihug.co.nz 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

I would say that IPNET is down or something along those lines.. b. :) > > > > Hi Everyone, > Does anyone know of a fault with Telecoms IP network at > the moment if so any idea of a time it will be solved. > > If anyone has any info please reply. > > Regards > Adam > Dream Net > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Telecom outage?
by Dream Net Sales 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

Hi Everyone, Does anyone know of a fault with Telecoms IP network at the moment if so any idea of a time it will be solved. If anyone has any info please reply. Regards Adam Dream Net

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[ISC-Ops #6939] routine maintenance for F-Root in Auckland
by Joe Abley 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

I am doing some router upgrades in Auckland which will likely cause some BGP sessions to reset. There is no expected impact on local F-root service. If anybody doesn't currently peer directly with the F-root node across the APE, please feel free to send your details to peering(a)isc.org and we'll get you set up.

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NZNOG 2005 Draft Programme / Registration
by Donald Neal 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

A programme for next month's conference can now be read at the conference web site http://www.nznog.org/ . Changes to the programme remain possible. If you're coming, you need to register. This includes speakers, though speakers receive concessional pricing. Any speaker seeking a change to the time slot they have been allocated - whether a different length or a move to a different time - should contact me off list, preferably very soon. - Donald Neal Donald Neal |A prophecy is a guess that comes Technical Specialist |true. If it doesn't come true, it's NGN Operations |a metaphor. - G'Kar, Babylon 5 Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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NZNOG - Payments - Late Fees
by Richard Nelson 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Late fees will be charged for NZNOG registrants who have not paid, or arranged payments by Monday. This is an extension by one working day on the announced time. This means that if you have registered and chose the "Defer payment option" you must have arranged your method of payment by Monday afternoon and received confirmation from us. Cheque payments must reach us before the conference. Late fees will be 25% of the conference registration, i.e. the new fees will be: Conference $175 Student Rate $112.50 Tutorial Day $37.50 There are no late fees on accomodation or dinner tickets. Richard Nelson WAND Network Research

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NZNOG - Programme
by Richard Nelson 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

The Draft Programme for this years NZNOG Conference is now available at http://www.nznog.org/programme.php Please note that Vijay Gill who was previously announced as a speaker is now not going to be there. Registrations are filling fast. There are no rooms with network ports left on either Wednesday or Thursday nights and there are only a few places left for some of the tutorials. Richard Nelson WAND Network Research

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HEADS UP - Webcast activity - Tsunami Memorial Service
by Richard Naylor 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

On Sunday 16 January RadioNZ will be broadcasting an inter-faith memorial service live from Auckland. They will also be streaming it on the Internet via R2.co.nz. The stream will be on internationally routed numbers and not restricted. ISPs may notice some traffic changes and Help Desks may receive more calls relating to web based media. The event will be time limited to 1:15pm to 2:45pm and include one minutes silence at 1:59pm (the webcast will continue altho it will be silent) The RadioNZ web page with details of the event is at http://www.radionz.co.nz/tsunami/ Thanks for your co-operation Rich

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calling wellington internet historians
by Dean Pemberton 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Joe Wrote: [Oh, I think I still owe Dean Pemberton a beer for loaning us a power cable during that install that we never gave back.] Heh - yeah I remember that. I'll collect next month. Those stinky cisco boxes with their special power cables. From memory I might have stolen it from a jug or something we had lying around. More on topic though. I can remember a BOF session at Uniforum 1998 in which all the ISP's sat down and discussed peering. I seem to remember that it was some time after that that things started. That would put the timeframe for the idea at 21-23May 1998. The question of who was first is a hard one. WIX (the route servers) didn't start until later. But National Library peering with Clear would have been one of the first, and that was around July 1998 IIRC. The date on the AS number I applied for supports this kind of time changed: hostmaster(a)apnic.net 19980724 I think Actrix was doing something about that time too. And maybe one of the isp's starting with "I". Maybe it will become clearer over beer. See you all next month. Dean

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: aut-num: AS9483 as-name: NZRR-AS9483 descr: Flatnet descr: WIX peering at '202.7.0.119' descr: see Citylink RT job #1715 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS9483 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: routing(a)flatnet.gen.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20050113 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS9483 descr: Route set advertised to AS9439 by Flatnet - AS9483 members: 203.97.150.0/24^24-29, 202.0.32.48/29, 202.0.32.88/29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: routing(a)flatnet.gen.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20050113 source: NZRR

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APNIC's Training in conjunction with NZNOG'05 Conference
by APNIC Training 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

Dear NZNOG Members, APNIC is pleased to invite you to attend APNIC's Training in conjunction with the New Zealand Network Operators Group Conference 2005 as follows: "APNIC Internet Resource Management Essentials" Date: 02 February 2005 Time: Please refer to http://www.nznog.org/index.php. Venue: University of Waikato, Knighton Road, Hamilton, New Zealand Tel: +64 7 838 4466 Who should attend? ------------------ The target audience is technical personnel who are responsible for allocating and/or assigning IP addresses. For example, hostmaster employees of network information centers or ISPs, network planners, designers, and network engineers. Good understanding of networking fundamentals is assumed and upon completion a certificate of participation will be provided. Course Fee: ----------- For registration and other details at http://www.nznog.org/registration.php. A full abstract of the training course is also available at http://www.nznog.org/abstract/irme.pdf . For more information, please visit to http://www.nznog.org/index.php. Best regards, The APNIC Training Team ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ APNIC Training <training(a)apnic.net> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre Tel: +61-7-38583100 http://www.apnic.net Fax: +61-7-38583199 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See you at APNIC 19 18 - 25 February 2005 Kyoto International Conference Hall (KICH) Kyoto, Japan http://www.apnic.net/meetings/19/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Talk Topic for me.
by Simon Lyall 09 Jan '05

09 Jan '05

Looks like I'll be doing a lightning (3-10 minute) talk at nznog this year since there are a couple of 5 minutes gaps. While I've got a fallback topic I'm wondering if anyone has anything they would be particularly like me to talk about. Maybe random email or Usenet stuff, system admin and design, cornflakes, curry, political or historical stuff. Pop me an email and I'll see how they look. No promises since (a) schedule is not confirmed yet and (b) I suspect some suggestions might be "unsuitable" . -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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ISP Details
by barry＠unix.co.nz 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

Hey guys, Im looking for the following details which will be published in an ispmap within the next month. Please reply off list with the ISP name in the subject of the email. ISP: URL: Telephone number: Fax Number: Dialin Number: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: Email Address: Postal Address: AS Number: Upstream Provider(s): The map will be on ispmap.co.nz and will show ISPs international connectivity. For an example of a generated map, please see http://www.ispmap.org.za/topmap.html . Im working with Gregory (author of ispmap.org.za) to add further functionality to the site. Thanks Kindest Regards Barry Murphy ------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through UnixCo Webmail: http://www.unix.co.nz/

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calling wellington internet historians
by Joe Abley 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

Does anybody happen to remember when peering between ISPs in Wellington using network 10 addresses started happening? I remember Craig Anderson circulating a draft document reserving chunks of 10/8 for people, and some talk about static ARP, but I don't remember when it was. The current address block used on the WIX (202.7.0.0/23) was pulled out of Rex Croft's magic bag of spare addresses in July 1998, according to the list archives, so it was before then. If I was to document a start date for the WIX (e.g. "first BGP session between ISPs was set up", or maybe "first packet was exchanged between citylink/CNHL customers", or something) what would it be? Joe

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NGN survey
by M. Salim KETEVANLIOGLU 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Dear list members, I am working for Turkish NRA and studying for "NGN migration strategies and regulation" and "country applications". I plan to conduct a survey for incumbent operators and application creators for NGN. I would like to contact persons working ngn related in incumbents and application creators. Kind regards, M. Salim KETEVANLIOGLU Telecommunication Assistant Expert Telecommunications Authority Ankara / TURKEY +90 312 550 50 68

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NZNOG 05'
by Joshua Brady 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Hello all, I am booking my flight a bit late, but need to know what airport is going to be easiest to get to from the US. I will be flying KRIC to KLAS for NANOG, then want to transfer over to NZNOG from there (leaving early 02/01/05). Can anyone advise me on what exact airport I'll need to take? Then travel plans from there? Thanks, Joshua Brady

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