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ACCC (Aus): Draft report on Internet Interconnection
by Simon Lyall 17 Oct '04

17 Oct '04

I havn't read it all yet but people may find it interesting. http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/543536/ "The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has issued a draft report seeking comment on whether internet interconnection arrangements should be subject to a two year period of monitoring..... " -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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Updated monitoring pages from Team Cymru
by Rob Thomas 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

[ Apologies to those of you who receive this note in multiple forums. ] Hi, team. We are pleased to announce some updated monitoring, as well as some new monitoring, on our web site. This includes aesthetic fixes as well as increased visibility. Our DNS monitoring now has increased visibility as well as a new look and feel. Gone are the multiple pages for each zone, replaced with a single page that will have additional zones soon. You'll find it at the following URL. <http://www.cymru.com/DNS/dns.html> The times are DNS query response times, and the query responses are checked for correctness. Clicking on the query response time will bring you to a more detailed, graphical view of the query responses for the given pod and name server combination. We've updated our network monitoring to include several new components. This includes pod to pod ICMP, TCP, and UDP monitoring. It also includes traffic graphs for a select few Darknet pods, and our new Internet Garbage Meter. :) <http://www.cymru.com/Reach/index.html> For more on Darknets, from which our Darknet monitoring and Internet Garbage Meter are generated, please see our Darknet Project page at the following URL. <http://www.cymru.com/Darknet/> We hope you find this of use. Comments and suggestions are always welcome! Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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Re: [nznog] ICONZ
by Michael Hallager 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

Their helpdesk has told me it is a BGP4 fault and it is at Orcon's end, which it appears is news to Orcon. > Call the helpdesk? Call the noc? Paths look fine to me in a traceroute from > both providers. Michael Hallager (SNIP)

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Re: Re: [nznog] linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz
by Jonny Martin 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

> "WIX peers only" mirror, much like ftp.nz.debian.org? I notice the "your ISP > is broken" message is still broken: > Looks like peering with the APE route servers wont > actually fix it. "...MAY be able to fix this problem for you... at the APE OR the WIX" - doesn't seem to me that it's broken. Seems quite reasonable as a generic sorry-no-peering-at-the-appropriate-place-and-we're-not-paying-for-the-traffic message. Cheers, Jonny.

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RE: [nznog] Windows Update Server Selection
by Craig Humphrey 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

We've worked with Akamai and the best I can ascertain is that it directs you to the "best" location, where best isn't always the physically nearest server, since it may not have the content you're after. I think it uses similar ideas to what some of the distributed p2p clients do. Get enough requests from a "region" and you move the content (or a copy of the content) closer to that region. But that's just my understanding. > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Whitmore [mailto:lennon(a)orcon.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:24 PM > To: jon.brewer(a)araneo.net.nz > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] Windows Update Server Selection > > It is based on Akamai (where download.microsoft.com is > pointing). But for > some reason.. they seem to move it around ALL the time. Anyone from > Microsoft/Akamai comment/can find out WHY its switching > around all the time > (with us it changes every 20-30 mins.. NZ..Australia.. US.. > Australia....) > Instead of just going to the Akamai Servers in NZ > > Thanks > Craig Whitmore > Orcon Internet

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An idea for discussion
by Michael Hallager 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

Hello all. Ever so often on NZNOG somebody posts a wanted or for sale message. I have just thought - would there be any interest in a seperate "marketplace" mailing list, to buy, sell, trade equipment specifically related to ISP's and networks? MTCW - Comments please. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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ICONZ
by Michael Hallager 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

Hello all. Is anyone aware of any funkiness between Iconz and Orcon, somewhere around APE? Non APE paths work. APE paths don't. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Networkstuff promotion
by Michael Hallager 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

Repeat: NO ONE who got emailed today was added to any mailing list !! (Without requesting it). It was ONLY AN INVITATION to a small group of targetted people, who's email addresses were in my address book. Please people, with p-pills, mortgage applications, pirated MS software yada yada, why the need to take out your frustrations on a local known specialised e-commerce business? Despite having my email address all over the place, I receive maybe once a month only an unsolicited professional email offering me something relevant and I find many of these useful or I simply delete. I have publically apologised several times and still I get emails suggesting that I should "apologise". Could it be that this is way out of proportion? I am still sorry and disapointed that some people have taken this in an unintended way. Michael Hallager > Rather remove everyone you manually added to the mailing list and let them > find your website on their own, if they want to be added they will opt in. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 9:05 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Networkstuff promotion > > Hello all. > > I have just gone through and added a few names to the no-contact list > although > only about 50% of the people posting so far in this subject so far were > ever > > emailed in the first place. At last count, about 5 or 6. > > The actions of some in threatening mail blocks and in continuing this on > NZNOG > has made it rather hard for me to asertain who would like to be added. > I have already discussed it with others, some who would rather keep > the pot boiling... for no obvious reason.... I have tried to sort this out > with as many people as possible. > > So I repeat - contact me directly with your details and it will happen. > > I sincerely apologise again to all who were offended. > > // Michael Hallager > Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > > URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz > networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used > networking equipment. > > Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) > Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) > Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported) > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Lucent Ascend & Telecom PR2
by Craig Spiers 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

Anyone know how to configure a telecom PR2 PRI on a lucent ascend ? Settings etc? Any funky things I should know? Cheers

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RE: [nznog] Ameritrade.com smtp server issue
by Gordon Smith 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

Yeah, poor choice of terminology on my part perhaps. I was referring to the fact that a tier 1 provider was reachable via another tier 1 provider i.e. peered, so from the point of view of the endpoint traffic transits the first tier 1 to reach the second :-) Cheers, Gordon > -----Original Message----- > From: Hamish MacEwan [mailto:hamish.macewan(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2004 11:45 a.m. > To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Ameritrade.com smtp server issue > > And because they don't need transit, they are top tier. It > is after all a self-fulfilling and self-referring definition. > > Hamish. > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:42:04 -0400, Joe Abley <jabley(a)isc.org> wrote: > > > > They are peers. It's because the top-tier operators peer that they > > don't need transit. > > > > > > Joe >

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RE: [nznog] Sprintlink outage yesterday
by Tom Hibbert 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

By contrast 3 of our clients on Virtual ISP couldn't send a single packet past core2a.iconz.net.nz until at least 3pm... Oh well, there was nothing anyone could have done about a crashed router. Noone at ICONZ could have got things back on track any faster unless they teleported to the endpoint and hit reset themselves. Kudos to John J and Iconz NOC for their failover setup, its more than most ISPs I know can/will do. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Brewer [mailto:jon.brewer(a)worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2004 9:43 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Sprintlink outage yesterday Folks, We were very impressed with the way ICONZ failed over from SprintLink to Global Gateway without significant disruption. We did receive a number of calls from our customers on ICONZ upstream, but all were to do with a lack of performance rather than a lack of connectivity. Cheers, Jonathan Brewer -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hibbert [mailto:tom(a)nsp.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2004 9:01 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Sprintlink outage yesterday Hi all Seems like some of us were stung by a major outage affecting at least Iconz' upstream yesterday, but probably others were affected also. One of our largest customers - a power line service contractor covering 3/5 of the country - was severely stung by the routing issue yesterday as Contact Energy deliver their job notices through a mail sanitization house in the United States, who were attempting to route back through to New Zealand but were unable to do so. Fortunately Contact were contacted (pun unintentional) by their provider in the states who arranged a resolution by bouncing the mail off one of our boxes here. Thanks to them the outage as far as it affected Joe Public at his home and business was only about 2 hours... So what the hell happened? Obviously the problem was with the endpoint in the USA and therefore outside of anyone in NZ's responsibility... Tom Hibbert Technical Specialist Phone: +64-9-306-0230 Technical Helpdesk: +64-9-306-0234 Mobile: +64-274-307-784 Email: tom(a)nsp.co.nz Website: http://www.nsp.co.nz The information in this email and any attachments is confidential. This information may be subject to legal, professional, or other privilege. It must not be disclosed to any person without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. Please return this message to the sender immediately and delete any and all copies from your system. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Sprintlink outage yesterday
by Tom Hibbert 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

Hi all Seems like some of us were stung by a major outage affecting at least Iconz' upstream yesterday, but probably others were affected also. One of our largest customers - a power line service contractor covering 3/5 of the country - was severely stung by the routing issue yesterday as Contact Energy deliver their job notices through a mail sanitization house in the United States, who were attempting to route back through to New Zealand but were unable to do so. Fortunately Contact were contacted (pun unintentional) by their provider in the states who arranged a resolution by bouncing the mail off one of our boxes here. Thanks to them the outage as far as it affected Joe Public at his home and business was only about 2 hours... So what the hell happened? Obviously the problem was with the endpoint in the USA and therefore outside of anyone in NZ's responsibility... Tom Hibbert Technical Specialist Phone: +64-9-306-0230 Technical Helpdesk: +64-9-306-0234 Mobile: +64-274-307-784 Email: tom(a)nsp.co.nz Website: http://www.nsp.co.nz The information in this email and any attachments is confidential. This information may be subject to legal, professional, or other privilege. It must not be disclosed to any person without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. Please return this message to the sender immediately and delete any and all copies from your system.

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RE: [nznog] Ameritrade.com smtp server issue
by Gordon Smith 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

> Beither Sprint or UUNET have any transit arrangements. They > don't need them. > > > Joe > > Hmm... They're definitely passing some of each others routes, according to our intl route tables... e.g. AS 3707 (MCI) is known via AS 1239 (SPRN). Both Telecom (AS 4648) and Sprint here (AS 3643), carry them... I see 4 AS hops: 3643 1239 701 3707 - Sprint -> Sprint -> UUNET -> UUNET (MCI) Cheers, Gordon

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RE: [nznog] Ameritrade.com smtp server issue
by Gordon Smith 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Depends on their transit agreements. That's how BGP works..... If a route is known via several different paths, it is possible to route traffic around devices that are having problems. When setting up a partial mesh though, it is also extremely easy to introdue routing "blackholes" inadvertently. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alastair Johnson [mailto:alastair.johnson(a)maxnet.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 8 October 2004 2:29 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] Ameritrade.com smtp server issue > > That doesn't make sense. Savvis should not be routing > between Sprintlink and UUNET. That would be a major filter > failure, and cause massive issues. >

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WTB: ISDN emulator
by Michael Hallager 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Hello all. We would like to purchase an ISDN-BRI emulator. If anyone has one for sale, please contact me offlist. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Re: Networkstuff promotion
by Michael Hallager 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

You were not supposed to be on that list. I wouldn't deal with you on the basis of your degree of involvement with Net4u. Mr Net4u 2IC giving me a lecture? Don't throw stones in glass houses. Michael Hallager > > A few NZNOGers have received an email. Out of these few, even fewer have > > complained. I have just received some complaints from people whom in in > > all likelyhood have a short memory for names/people they have had contact > > with. > > Hell, if we have to all individually complain to get the point across that > spam sucks (I even have to get the point across?), then treat this as an > individual complaint. > > If you're going to try and say I have a short memory for names/people I > have had contact with, you're wrong. About the only reason you'd have my > email address is because I was once employed by a company who provided you > with connectivity to the vast network that is the interweb. But wait, if > you'd emailed me with respect to that, you would have used my work email > address. Whoops, guess you got my address from NZNOG. > > > However 50% of those who have complained never received anything in the > > first place because I check their names and NOTHING..... comes up. > > I assure you I received a copy of your spam. I'll forward it back to you > with headers if you don't believe me. > > > Also some people are starting to post myths and fake stories up here now. > > > > There is no spamming, no email harvesting, no nonsense, no conspiracy. > > ?! The only myth I've seen so far is that "there is no spamming". > > > As much as it might suit some peoples egos to continue on with this > > tirade, I have done everything I can and apologised several times. > > Wrong. Doing everything you can would have involved not sending the spam in > the first place. > > > I really don't deserve the crap that I receive from some people - I hope > > they never make an error of judgement in case they are on the receiving > > end of their own bad attitude. Complain to me, yes - abuse/threaten me, > > no. > > You, are a spammer. Spammers deserve what they get. > > As an aside, if you've never dealt with Richard and/or Helix, how come he > received a copy of your spam? Whoops, NZNOG harvesting again. > > In case you haven't got the message, remove me from your list. > > Michael. -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Again
by Michael Hallager 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

I notice that there is some more noise on the subject: I have heard what the NZNOG has to say. The message was not intended to be spam, it was intended to be a few targeted emails to appropriate people offering them the opportunity to get included on the newsletter or get a login to the website. Unfortunitly, poor wording of the email has left some people with the wrong impression. 1. No one was ever added to the newsletter mailing list unless they asked. Therefore it was always OPT IN. 2. A negative reply or no reply is considered to be 'un interested'. As of now I have written to everyone who has received the email and complained. (If I have left you out, that was an oversight) and I have apologised. For the odd person who has threatened a mail block, that is up to you, but I hope that you will consider it again - counter productive for your clients as well as mine. You know who I am and you know that I won't be doing it again, therefore negating the purpose. The mailout was small, but ill-conceived. I accept responsibility for this and I will not be making a repeat of this mistake. I will shortly be adding a 'add me to your newsletter mailing list' DOUBLE OPT IN option to my website to allow people to join. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Networkstuff promotion
by Michael Hallager 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

> A few months ago I was approached by Whitebox Express (Colin Brown - ex > PC Company) about going on their mailing list, but they didn't just > start sending me mail without asking, I got an email saying would I like > to be added, and if I DID want to be added then I could reply saying so. > They didn't just add me and then expect me to unsubscribe if I didn't > want to hear from them. What you describe is exactly what I did. It was always an OPT IN mailing list. All people received was a relevant, targetted and professional ONE OFF INVITATION. However some people, including many who never actually received the email, have jumped on the "spam" bandwagon. The few who have contacted me - I have done the right thing for them. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Networkstuff promotion
by Keith Davidson 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Neil G wrote: > >From: Keith Davidson >>For my part, I will inform as many people as I can that they should >>never deal with networkstuff or Michael Hallager on the basis that >>he is a spammer. > > Well, I'm not sorry I called Michael on this but I have one thing to > say... > > Sheee-it! If I ever make a stupid public mistake on this list, please let > me > have the good sense to publically and promptly apologise. Indeed. Instead, I got the following charming personal "apology" from Michael Hallager the spammer: --<cut>-- And I will likewise about yourself. grow up. your name is now on the blacklist. you will not be contacted again. > For my part, I will inform as many people as I can that they should never > deal with networkstuff or Michael Hallager on the basis that he is a > spammer. --<paste> Keith Davidson <who thought he was fully grown up>

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RE: [nznog] Spam from local sources?
by Donald Neal 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

As Ewen McNeill put it, > From: Ewen McNeill [mailto:ewen(a)naos.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 9:02 p.m. > To: Mark Foster > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Spam from local sources? [...] > Meanwhile the reaction is hopefully a sufficient demonstration that > sending advertising (spam) to "individuals who we have found > on the New > Zealand internet" is fairly counter productive if your aim is > to attract > new customers. Particularly when the spam goes to those involved in > running the networks. > > So hopefully there will not be a repeat. The same could usefully be said of much of this thread's content. This thread has long since ceased to have any operational relevance it may just possibly once have possessed. I also see too little of the respect for other subscribers which the AUP requires. Repeat contributors who don't stop now can expect to see warnings as described in paragraph ten of the AUP. There are lots of high-volume forums on the interweb which aren't expecially focussed on a particular subject. This isn't one of them. - Donald Neal Donald Neal |Palmerdale: Are you in charge here? Technical Specialist |The Doctor: No, but I'm full of Operations Engineering | ideas. Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Spam from local sources?
by NZNOG＠neilnz.com 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Anyone else received any spam today from a local, un-named company? I'm trying to track down where he got my email address from... And yes, he is a member of this list. I thought people on here should know better than this!!! N.

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Re: Re: [nznog] Re: Networkstuff promotion
by Jonny Martin 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

> crap > more crap So how about that Telstra outage then... Jonny.

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Networkstuff promotion
by Michael Hallager 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

Hello all. I have just gone through and added a few names to the no-contact list although only about 50% of the people posting so far in this subject so far were ever emailed in the first place. At last count, about 5 or 6. The actions of some in threatening mail blocks and in continuing this on NZNOG has made it rather hard for me to asertain who would like to be added. I have already discussed it with others, some who would rather keep the pot boiling... for no obvious reason.... I have tried to sort this out with as many people as possible. So I repeat - contact me directly with your details and it will happen. I sincerely apologise again to all who were offended. // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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Re: [nznog] Spam from local sources?
by Ewen McNeill 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

In message <Pine.LNX.4.56.0410102013390.12121(a)babylon.blakjak.net>, Mark Foster writes: >>[Regarding an apparently fairly widespread email to people "involved >> in the local internet / computer industry."] > >Speaking of which; any representatives of Michael's upstream present on >the list? If so you can colour this as an official complaint about the UCE >from Michael Hallager as he obviously doesn't see the reason that NZNOG >have such a low opinion of him. I sent a report to abuse@$UPSTREAMISP around 17:30 with full details. I assume someone at $UPSTREAMISP will deal with it tomorrow. Meanwhile the reaction is hopefully a sufficient demonstration that sending advertising (spam) to "individuals who we have found on the New Zealand internet" is fairly counter productive if your aim is to attract new customers. Particularly when the spam goes to those involved in running the networks. So hopefully there will not be a repeat. Ewen

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RE: [nznog] Spam from local sources?
by NZNOG＠neilnz.com 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

Michael, after sending spam (presumably to a bunch of people on this list) you shouldn't be throwing stones. I sent the email to the list at 5:14pm although Paradise didn't pass it on until just after 6pm... In any case, I sent the email to the list before I heard from you - and to be honest I don't give spammers the courtesy of assuming they'll reply intelligently or in a timely fashion (Which you did, however). Cheers - Neil G -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 7:03 p.m. To: Neil(a)neilnz.com Subject: Re: [nznog] Spam from local sources? We have had this discussion and I thought that we settled the matter. Why are you trying to stir? Michael > Anyone else received any spam today from a local, un-named company? > I'm trying to track down where he got my email address from... And > yes, he is a member of this list. > > I thought people on here should know better than this!!! > > N. > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freefax) Mobile: 029 638-7883 (SMS, MMS and PXT supported)

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