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Recent worm infestations
by Juha Saarinen 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

For those who haven't noticed the flood of emailed viruses and bounces caused by the dictionary attack the new Windows worm(s) create(s), read and weep: http://www.kaspersky.com/news.html?id=3614506 http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/novarg.shtml Plus the usual AV sites. Looks like it's running amok in NZ. -- Juha

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by Finnigan, Jamie (NZ - Wellington) 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

> We had 12 viewers a few minutes ago, but I'm not sure they weren't all > just Citylink staff wanting to see the light glinting off Carl's head > :-) I'm another .. but I'm only here for the fantastic music that gets played during intervals. :) Jamie -- CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No reader may make any use of its content unless that use is approved by Deloitte separately in writing. Any opinion, advice or information contained in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is to be treated as interim and provisional only and for the strictly limited purpose of the recipient as communicated to us. Neither the recipient nor any other person should act upon it without our separate written authorisation of reliance. Deloitte is a member firm of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu. Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu is a Swiss Verein (association), and, as such, neither Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu nor any of its member firms has any liability for each other's acts or omissions. Each of the member firms is a separate and independent legal entity operating under the names "Deloitte," "Deloitte & Touche," "Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu," or other related names. Services are provided by the member firms and not by the Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Verein. If you have received this message in error please notify us immediately and destroy this message. Thank you. Deloitte Internet: www.deloitte.co.nz

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RE: [nznog] Conference Videocast
by Richards, David 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Ah the sound is fixed now! Well done! -- David Richards, Senior Network Engineer IT Services Unit - 'Enabling people through technology' Christchurch City Council, New Zealand Phone: +64 3 941 8689 | Fax: +64 3 941 8989 | Mobile: +64 27 242 7689 email: David.Richards(a)ccc.govt.nz -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Curtis [mailto:jamie(a)pointless.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:29 To: nznog(a)nznog.org Subject: Re: [nznog] Conference Videocast > And only if RIch can get from AKL to HAM in time to get everyuthing set up > and a public IP is available, etc. We also have minor logistics issues of > getting the van close enough, running a lot of cables, power, etc. > > If everything goes OK, there MAY be 3 cameras (and operators) as well as a > scan converter on the inevitable power point thingies. After a bit of playing around Rich and Simon seem to have got it all working. The streams are all available from: http://www.r2.co.nz/20040129/ We are currently trying to work on clearing up the sound but otherwise all is going well. Thanks heaps to Rich and all the Citylink guys for making this happen. All the captures are also being recorded and may be available later. Cheers, Jamie _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ********************************************************************** This electronic email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. The views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the Christchurch City Council. If you are not the correct recipient of this email please advise the sender and delete. Christchurch City Council http://www.ccc.govt.nz **********************************************************************

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Open Discussion at BGP'04
by Donald Neal 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

NZNOG People, The last item on the programme (http://www.nznog.org/programme.php) for the conference now getting under way is "Open Discussion". This isn't a BOF. I intend to use this session to ask for feedback from attendees on a number of issues. For a start, I plan to ask for comments on the conference then concluding - what went well, what could be improved. I also intend to try to have those present agree a committee to handle NZNOG's part of the organisation of the next conference, and to ask whether those assembled have any shared views about that conference - where, when, how much beer Roger should pay for. In seeking to do this, I'm assuming that NZNOG will remain a loose association and not a formally-organised society. That's an assumption with which people are welcome to disagree. I'd welcome email directly to me by Thursday night from people planning to attend the conference if there's any other issue they'd like discussed then. If there are a lot of topics people want discussed I'll put together a formal agenda. If you're not planning to attend that session but would be willing to help in NZNOG's part of conference organisation, please also get back to me by Thursday night. I'm also on the lookout for at least one more person to act as administrator for this mailing list. The last time this was discussed on this list a number of names were mentioned, but there seemed to me little sign of a coherent view. Again, if you're interested in taking on that role (or have strong views on who should or should not have that role) but won't be at Friday's session, please email me directly by Thursday night. Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Determining International vs Local
by Cleave Pokotea 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Hello, Just looking for some clarification from the group regarding International versus Local traffic identification (sorry for the uneducated queries): Traditionally circuit switched voice calls are carried via a dedicated end-to-end circuit (or virtual circuit) that the switching system sets up for the purpose of each call. The originating carrier bills the customer originating the call (the collection charge) and is billed by the terminating carrie for completing the call (the accounting rate). Therefore calls are easily distinguished between point A (local) and point B (international). With IP traffic(packet switched) an Internet message is broken down into many packets that may be individually routed over many different networks to arrive at the endpoint where they are reassembled into their original, coherent message. Individual messages therefore do not occupy a defined circuit for a defined time. So, how is International traffic differentiated from local traffic in NZ? How do ISP's deterine what traffic has originate locally? I am assuming there are two main methods of Inter-connection used in NZ; 1. Sats, 2. Southern Cross (?) cable. Is traffic classified (?) at the main entry points or are ISP's classifiying traffic via IP ranges (The dotted quad ranges seem's a rather ad-hoc method) and / or other methods? thanks, C. Resource Development Analyst Digital Initiatives Unit Te Puna Mataurange o Aotearoa National Library of New Zealand Wellington

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.com.au domains
by Dan Clark 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Hi Guys, Where does one register a .com.au domain nice and cheap inside New Zealand? Or do we have to go via Optus in Aussie? Kind Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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RE: .com.au domains
by Dominic O'Hare 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

If you are already incorporated in New Zealand, you can register an ABN at - http://www.abr.gov.au as an other incorporated entity. There are no filing or registration fees to register an ABN and you do not need an Australian street address. When filing an ABN make sure your company name and desired domain name are registered as trading names. Be aware the Australian Business Registry are terribly slow at creating new numbers, be sure to send them your NZ certificate of incorporation. Yours Sincerely, Dominic O'Hare ENERGISERVE.COM 502 S. Harbor Blvd Fullerton, CA 92382

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RE: [nznog] .com.au domains
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

If they are Australian companies, they should already have an ABN (and you will be registering it on their behalf and in their name). It may be easier for them to register it themselves. Cheers Mark Harris Manager Moderation and Web Standards State Services Commission PO Box 329, Wellington, NZ Tel: 64 4 495 2844 Email: moderator(a)ssc.govt.nz > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] > Sent: 26 January 2004 11:45 > To: Peter Mott; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] .com.au domains > > > one of the issues I am having is it would appear you have to have an > Australian business number to be able to register the domain *.com.au? > The reason we are trying to register this kind of domain is a > couple of > customers are based in Aussie and dont like the fact that .nz > means we can > do it better than them :P > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Mott" <peter.mott(a)2day.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [nznog] .com.au domains > > > > Mike Cooper wrote: > > > > > www.domainz.net.nz > > > > nice and cheap? > > > > <cough> > > > > > > -- > > Peter Mott > > Chief Enthusiast > > 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED > > http://www.2day.com > > > > "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish > something!" > > Thomas A Edison > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Re: [nznog] New Spam Killing Technique
by Ewen McNeill 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

In message <011d01c3e2ca$1b0bdfa0$030d010a(a)doc>, James Spooner writes: >My Point here was that spammers will no longer be able to send from >a hotmail/yahoo/aol/etc address using an arbitrary open SMTP relay, >which means they will have a harder time maintaining anonymity. The obvious counter to that -- which I'd assume even spammers could figure out -- is to register a new domain for each spam run through a given open relay. Then they can even put in the SPF records for that relay. This raises the spammers cost, oh, about US$8. It might be enough to cut out the less profitable spammers -- after all it's probably doubling their overheads -- but I imagine all the bigger ones will just keep right on at it. And they can easily register the domain with "anonymous" details. Sure it might eventually get pulled for not having valid details; but by that time it's served its purpose and can be removed anyway. SPF does seem to be a useful step though, as it'll reduce the number of "joe jobs". And hopefully also encourage more people to set up SMTP AUTH and the like. Ewen

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New Spam Killing Technique
by Jamie Baddeley 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2004/0122aoltest.html?net http://spf.pobox.com/ worth looking at.... jamie

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Heads up - Webcasting Activity Next week
by Richard Naylor 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

Folks, FYI - Nextweek, I'll be streaming the NZ Bloodstock Yearling Sales from Papakura. I doubt that it will be as popular as last years LOTR stuff, but thought I would advise the activity as TV News warned their viewers that it was on. ISPs may get customers asking about it or for support, etc. NZ Bloodstock will (hopefully) have the stream link on their website www.nzb.co.nz I have my usual spartan pages at www.r2.co.nz/20040126 The streaming traffic will be coming out of WIX / iHug addresses, not anycast, but will be my usual 5 bitrates including 384kbps (a very popular rate). I'm a bit confused about some of the dates for next week (I think the stress is getting to me), but there is streaming activity all week, with 2 events. It may be wrapped up by Friday or Saturday, depending on what happens (as I said, I've lost all sense of the dates, Si has just pointed it out). Thanks for your time. rich

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Telecom ATM outage
by Matthew Poole 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

There is currently a major ATM outage within Telecom. Effects apparent across the country (one of my employer's customers has 30-some sites around the country and only three of them have communications at present). No "official" word from Telecom, but a large number of major companies are affected by what is described as a "non-geographically-centred equipment issue". Anyone at Telecom able to give us something a little more verbose? Within the boundaries of "official company line", that is.

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Net4U Limited
by Anaru Hartley 17 Jan '04

17 Jan '04

I know everyone must be sick of hearing about The Adventures of 'Net4U' and it at one point, became some what of a Soap. But bare with me (and sorry if this is OT) as I think these two things need to be discussed openly - if they haven't been already (in which case I need to visit the NZNOG Archives). 1. Apart from "Pay your Bill on Time" what can an Individual or Company learn from Net4U's mistake(s)? 2. How can such things be prevented in the future, so that VISP's and customers are left High and Dry. Do measures need to be taken to prevent or minimize the damage created by such things? Cheers, Anaru. http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time.

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RE: [nznog] Jetstream without Telephone
by Donald Neal 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

> -----Original Message----- [...] > The requirement of a "telephone line" (ie analogue phone, as > opposed to a > cable pair), is nothing more than Telecom policy because they > can, which is > to be expected when they are allowed to do whatever they like. > But wait ... who's that masked man? Could it be the Commerce Commission? (You didn't want ADSL above 512kb, I take it?) - Donald Neal Donald Neal | "Fiasco - an unsuccessful Technical Specialist | wall painting." Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Divn. | - Sandi Toksvig Alcatel NZ Ltd | All opinions mine only. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Jetstream without Telephone
by Cameron Kerr 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Hello all, I'm currently in the process of moving. Having had Telecom disconnect my phone-line at 12 noon, I've discovered I can still access the internet via Jetstream (which is getting moved on about Monday). I find it interesting that this is possible, and adds credance to the apparent fact that you don't need a phone connected (obviously you need the line though) to have Jetstream working. Could be interesting food for thought wrt to the unbundling report by the Commerce Commission. -- Cameron Kerr cameron.kerr(a)paradise.net.nz : http://nzgeeks.org/cameron/ Empowered by Perl!

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Conf reg close next Friday
by Tony McGregor 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

I'm delighted to say that conference registrations hit 100 last night. We have a working limit of about 120 so we've decided we must close registrations on Friday next week (23rd of January). It may also be the case that people who register late will miss out on some of the giveaways because of the lead time on ordering them. (Apologies in advance). We're looking forward to a very exciting conference. Tony and the crew. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McGregor Mail: T.McGregor(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Department of Computer Science Phone: +64 7 838 4651 Waikato University Fax: +64 7 858 5095(w) +64 7 825 5047(h) Private Bag 3105 Home: +64 7 825 5040 mobile: (021)313004 Hamilton, New Zealand www: http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~tonym ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz
by Tristram Cheer 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

I'll Dig Around Work, Think we got a oldish 80gb Seagate Cuda 4 Around doing nothing, if I find it it's yours -----Original Message----- From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry(a)unix.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 9:40 p.m. To: Tristram Cheer Subject: Re: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz 120gig ide would do. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Cheer" <james.edward(a)paradise.net.nz> To: "'NZ NOG'" <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > What Type Of HDD You Need? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Murphy [mailto:barry(a)unix.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 6:15 p.m. > To: Drew Broadley; 'Matthew Poole' > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > daniel still runs the cvsup.nz.freebsd.org which is pretty good, just need > the distfiles. > > If someone gave me a hard drive i'd do it, just at least once a month my > bandwidth intl would be kak with all the downloads. > > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Broadley" <drew(a)iplaynz.com> > To: "'Matthew Poole'" <matt(a)p00le.net> > Cc: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:58 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > I was wondering about this myself, even just hosting /usr/ports/ package > > folders (not src files) > > and a few ISO's would all that is required, and keep them up-to-date > > with a cvsup -r off cvs.freebsd.org > > > > Guesstimates > > > > | $ du -h -d 0 /usr/ports > > | 1004M /usr/ports > > > > ~ 1 GigaByte for FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE /usr/ports > > > > | $ du -h -d 0 /usr/ports/ > > | 343M /usr/ports/ > > > > ~ 340 MegaBytes /usr/ports for FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE /usr/ports > > > > Aswel as roughly 5 MINIISO's @ ~200MB each > > > > Total Guesstimate: 3 GigaBytes > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matthew Poole [mailto:matt(a)p00le.net] > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:05 PM > > > To: Barry Murphy > > > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: RE: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > Contact Dan Langille (dan(a)langille.org, IIRC) if you want to > > > take over as the official ftp.nz FreeBSD mirror. The guys at > > > CallPlus have _NO_ clue about FreeBSD, and I wouldn't be > > > hugely surprised to find out that the mirror only survived > > > due to their ignorance. > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Barry Murphy wrote: > > > > > > > Would be nice if it had the freebsd mirror and even better > > > if it was > > > > ftp.nz.freebsd.org <-- that mirror died about 2 months ago, was > > > > apparently using too much space :( > > > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] > > > > Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 12:42 p.m. > > > > To: draggy(a)clear.net.nz > > > > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > Subject: Re: [nznog] linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > Does appear to have been a shonky ethernet card, it's all good now. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Si > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:47:56AM +1300, Simon Blake said: > > > > > It's a v. unhappy box, it looks like it may have thrown > > > an ethernet > > > > > controller. Should be going again later in the day. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Si > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:42:56AM +1300, > > > draggy(a)clear.net.nz said: > > > > > > Can anyone from Citylink or anyone else, advise as to > > > the status > > > > > > of this server. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have had a few comments about not being able to contact this > > > > > > server and have tried myself and cannot get to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains: > > > > > > ftp.nz.debian.org > > > > > > linux.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > ftp.citylink.co.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > IP: 210.48.103.6 > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NZNOG mailing list > > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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linux.citylink.co.nz / ftp.citylink.co.nz
by draggy＠clear.net.nz 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Can anyone from Citylink or anyone else, advise as to the status of this server. Have had a few comments about not being able to contact this server and have tried myself and cannot get to it. Domains: ftp.nz.debian.org linux.citylink.co.nz ftp.citylink.co.nz IP: 210.48.103.6 Cheers Simon

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NZNOG '04 Timetable.
by Jamie Curtis 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Hi all, Now available on the NZNOG '04 conference site is a draft timetable of events for the main programme on Thursday and Friday. You can get at it from: http://www.nznog.org/programme.php As you can see we have had to parallelize two sessions at the end of Friday due to a very full programme. While we were trying to avoid this if at all possible, the two sessions in question are both more technical versions of earlier introductory talks. We felt this was fairer than running one or both of these sessions in parallel with another speakers only presentation. The other option was to remove one of the introductory presentations and only have the in-depth presentation. NZNOG has a very broad audience however, and we felt we could not assume a minimum level of knowledge on these topics. Hopefully the number of people who are affected by this is small. Cheers, Jamie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Curtis email: jpc2(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz WAND Group Lab G1.03 phone +64 21 392 102 Computer Science Department, University of Waikato, New Zealand -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Verisign Plans DNS Changes
by Jeff Williams 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

All, Seems Verisign is updating .COM and .NET zones soon.. See: http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg00794.html and http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/01/08/HNverisigncom_1.html Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" - Pierre Abelard "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801

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RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Tim John - Domainz 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

>From the Domainz point of view, the only person who can legally cancel a domain name is the Name Holder. The DNC has the liberty to instruct us to cancel a name and Domainz itself has the right to terminate a registration, but only in extreme circumstances. I suspect that this and many other names have been registered 'for a laugh' in the past and the details used in the registration are real, if not the registrants. If the person who is nominated in the registration as the Name Holder is not in fact the legal holder, then the best thing to do is let the name expire when it comes up for renewal, unless the Name Holder (as shown) can contact us directly and request that it's cancelled. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Will Steele [mailto:willsteele(a)hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 11 January 2004 5:40 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here. Michael, 1) I am not employed or associated with ConceptNET as you suggested in your December post. 2) I believe it is against the Shared Registry's Terms of Service to use the whois for this sort of thing. 3) Domains are registered at a first come, first serve basis. The above domain was registered on the 28th March 2003, when I was being very stupid and immature, which I am (slowly) overcoming, but you don't seem to be helping. Please send me proof that Sahil is making these claims off list, or send anyone else the proof for that matter, because simply, you are generally full of shit. Get your facts straight before you post. If anyone from Domainz is subscribed to this list, or the DNC, please cancel the above domain, as I no longer have access to it, otherwise, its there to stay until it expires... And no, I'm not smiling. Will Steele "^god" _________________________________________________________________ Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ! _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you.

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Re: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Will Steele 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

So, you are saying you dont care? Why did you even post in the first place. There was no claims, as you have sent no proof to anyone. Like I said, get your facts straight. Domainz have set the domain not to be renewed, so this is the end of this topic. >From: Michael Hallager <michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz> >Reply-To: michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz >To: Tim John - Domainz <tim.john(a)domainz.net.nz> >CC: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here. >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:05:34 +1300 > >Thanks for the information Tim. Would "passing off" of a well known >industry >forum like NZNOG be considered "extreme (enough) circumstances"? >Does the DNC need a complaint in writing to action this? > >As for Will, go and sort it out with Sahil seeing that the pair of you are >friends again. The rest of us don't care. > > > From the Domainz point of view, the only person who can legally cancel a > > domain name is the Name Holder. The DNC has the liberty to instruct us >to > > cancel a name and Domainz itself has the right to terminate a >registration, > > but only in extreme circumstances. > > > > I suspect that this and many other names have been registered 'for a >laugh' > > in the past and the details used in the registration are real, if not >the > > registrants. If the person who is nominated in the registration as the >Name > > Holder is not in fact the legal holder, then the best thing to do is let > > the name expire when it comes up for renewal, unless the Name Holder (as > > shown) can contact us directly and request that it's cancelled. > > > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Steele [mailto:willsteele(a)hotmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, 11 January 2004 5:40 p.m. > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here. > > > > > > Michael, > > > > 1) I am not employed or associated with ConceptNET as you suggested in >your > > December post. > > 2) I believe it is against the Shared Registry's Terms of Service to use > > the > > > > whois for this sort of thing. > > 3) Domains are registered at a first come, first serve basis. > > > > The above domain was registered on the 28th March 2003, when I was being > > very stupid and immature, which I am (slowly) overcoming, but you don't > > seem > > > > to be helping. > > > > Please send me proof that Sahil is making these claims off list, or send > > anyone else the proof for that matter, because simply, you are generally > > full of shit. Get your facts straight before you post. > > > > If anyone from Domainz is subscribed to this list, or the DNC, please > > cancel > > > > the above domain, as I no longer have access to it, otherwise, its there >to > > stay until it expires... > > > > And no, I'm not smiling. > > > > Will Steele > > "^god" > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain > > legally privileged information intended only for the individual or >entity > > named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If > > you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, > > distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If >you > > have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning >the > > email and destroying the original. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > NZNOG mailing list > > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > >-- >// Michael Hallager >Director || Head geek || Making IT work. > >URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz >networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking >equipment. > >Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) >Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) >Mobile: 027 477-7624 > >_______________________________________________ >NZNOG mailing list >NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - talk to family and friends overseas!

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RE: [nznog] DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Will Steele 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

Michael, 1) I am not employed or associated with ConceptNET as you suggested in your December post. 2) I believe it is against the Shared Registry's Terms of Service to use the whois for this sort of thing. 3) Domains are registered at a first come, first serve basis. The above domain was registered on the 28th March 2003, when I was being very stupid and immature, which I am (slowly) overcoming, but you don't seem to be helping. Please send me proof that Sahil is making these claims off list, or send anyone else the proof for that matter, because simply, you are generally full of shit. Get your facts straight before you post. If anyone from Domainz is subscribed to this list, or the DNC, please cancel the above domain, as I no longer have access to it, otherwise, its there to stay until it expires... And no, I'm not smiling. Will Steele "^god" _________________________________________________________________ Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming !

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DONALD! Umm.. something is very wrong here.
by Michael Hallager 09 Jan '04

09 Jan '04

version: 0.95 query_datetime: 2004-01-11T00:21:09+13:00 domain_name: nznog.org.nz query_status: 200 Active domain_dateregistered: 2003-03-28T18:45:57+12:00 domain_datebilleduntil: 2004-03-28T18:45:57+12:00 domain_datelastmodified: 2003-04-07T09:18:36+12:00 domain_delegaterequested: yes % registrar_name: Domainz registrar_address1: Private Bag 1810 registrar_city: Wellington registrar_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND) registrar_phone: +64 4 918-1740 registrar_fax: +64 4 918-1719 registrar_email: 4service(a)domainz.net.nz % registrant_contact_name: New Zealand Network Operators Group registrant_contact_address1: 32 Telecom Avenue registrant_contact_city: ROTORUA registrant_contact_postalcode: 21901240921481205732 registrant_contact_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND) registrant_contact_phone: +2395 3967 3685723583265 registrant_contact_email: god(a)hackers.net.nz % admin_contact_name: Donald Neal admin_contact_address1: 32 Telecom Avenue admin_contact_city: ROTORUA admin_contact_postalcode: 21901240921481205732 admin_contact_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND) admin_contact_phone: +2395 3967 3685723583265 admin_contact_email: god(a)hackers.net.nz % technical_contact_name: Punjabi Internet Services Limited technical_contact_address1: Punjabi House technical_contact_address2: Otara technical_contact_phone: +24 329 43960432 technical_contact_email: god(a)hackers.net.nz % ns_name_01: ns1.generaldns.com ns_ip4_01: 216.187.85.35 ns_name_02: ns3.generaldns.com ns_ip4_02: 209.188.79.62 % % Users are advised that the following activities are strictly forbidden. % % Using multiple WHOIS queries, or using the output of multiple WHOIS % queries in conjunction with any other facility or service, to enable % or effect a download of part or all of the .nz Register. % % Using any information contained in the WHOIS query output to attempt a % targeted contact campaign with any person, or any organisation, using any % medium. % % A breach of these conditions will be treated as a breach of the .nz Policies % and Procedures. Sanctions in line with those specified in the policies and % procedures at www.dnc.org.nz may result from any breach. root(a)219-88-253-130:/www/networkstuff/www.networkstuff.co.nz/html# -- // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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SSL Certificates query.
by Michael Hallager 09 Jan '04

09 Jan '04

Are they all somewhat equal? Anyone had any experience with "Chained SSL" certificates? // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading supplier of high quality used networking equipment. Phone: 09 837-6100 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: 09 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 027 477-7624

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