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RE: latency
by Michael Bordignon 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Newbery [mailto:Michael.Newbery(a)team.telstraclear.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 2 August 2002 4:48 PM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: latency > > > It's Friday... yay! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cable seeking backhoes
by Michael Newbery 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Does anyone have a suitable rule of thumb to predict the incidence of cable seeking backhoes/trawlers per km? I've tracked down one reference of 'one hit per 7 months per 1000km', without any qualification as to location. One would for instance imagine that armor-plated cable sitting on the bottom of the ocean would have a different failure rate to that of RG9 strung across the local street. Google has thus far been rather unhelpful. -- Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

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ipv6 peering
by Chris Hellberg 30 Jul '02

30 Jul '02

Morning all, Thanks to Dean's great ipv6 presentation at Uniforum, everyone's got a ::/28 allocation from APNIC now, right? I'm interested in hearing from people who've got v6 allocations, either from tunnel brokers, or otherwise who'd like to peer at an NZ ipv6 peering point. APE and WIX are possibilities, however I have my doubts on the number of providers on WIX and APE who would be willing to add v6 addresses on their interfaces from citylink to any servers in their network; it'd be easier to put a 6to4 tunnel for testing purposes on a router in the middle of the network, especially if the router question already has a tunnel to a tunnelbroker overseas. One of the benefits of this is that any NZ<->NZ v6 traffic doesn't have to traverse international tunnels. The big driver of this will be the amount of local content available via v6. Admittedly there's not much around at the moment, however I do have mysql, apache, xfree86, cygwin, cpan and sunfreeware mirrors that are on the 6bone which could serve as good starters. I'm sure that there would be some webservers out there who are v6 aware which people would be willing to route ipv6 to. The more people we can get on the ix, the more content would become available. Sorta like the multicast chicken and egg thing. Could I get a showing of interest on who'd like to be on such an ix (just a box I have running zebra which a whole bunch of 6in4 tunnels), even if you've got a ::/64 tunnel allocation from a tunnel broker? There won't be any international v6 transit provided, just a BGP4+ feed of all the NZ prefixes of people peering. Cheers, Chris - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Banks to review ICMP filtering?
by Juha Saarinen 30 Jul '02

30 Jul '02

http://www.idg.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/E8C8975FB28122B1CC256C0500167A15!open… -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Banking/Hospital Problems and MTU
by rob.edkins＠axon.co.nz 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

> > Probably the reason its not on by default, is because it is > not a "fix", > its just a workaround, to work around braindead firewalls > that block all ICMP. > Agreed, it's a hack...but it's not only firewalls that drop ICMP...I came across this a few years ago with a WAN router that was misbehaving between Token Ring and Ethernet segments. > As such there would probably be considerable sacrifice in > performance when > it has to operate - first of all there will have to be a few lost > retransmitions of large MTU packets before it realises > something is wrong, > and then (from Juha's post) it just drops the MTU to 536 for further > communication, which is definately sub optimal, depending on > what the real > maximum MTU of the path is... > Yes, although it will only kick in on these sites that have this problem. It's dynamic on a per connection basis. Overall performance on the majority of connections won't be affected, as the 'ol TCP stack will behave as intended. > If it was on by default, it would hide the real problem, and > nothing would > ever get done about it. > Fixing is always better than working around, but given that ICMP access policy at the far end of the pipe is not something that Joe User usually has a lot of control over, then something that will work is probably better than something that doesn't. (From a user perspective) Unless it has some other negative impact.... Rob -- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is CONFIDENTIAL and may be exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you read this message and are not the addressee you are notified that use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. You should scan this message and any attached files for viruses. Axon Computertime accepts no liability for any loss caused either directly or indirectly by a virus arising from the use of this message or any attached file. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DNS monitoring update
by Rob Thomas 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

Hi, NZNOGers. [ Apologies to those of you who have already seen this on NANOG. ] I have added two additional data collection points to my DNS root name server monitoring. I have also scaled the graphs and added a text only version. You will find it all here: http://www.cymru.com/DNS Comments and feedback are always welcome! Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Pictures from Uniforum 2002 Online
by Mark Foster 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

Thanks to Eaden and Robert from Opentec - http://opentec.co.nz/uniforum Cheers, Mark. (Please forgive the CrossPosting.) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Banking/Hospital Problems and MTU
by Simon Byrnand 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

At 10:46 29/07/02 +1200, rob.edkins(a)axon.co.nz wrote: >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q159211& >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q314825& > >Are useful too. > >This fix has been around for at least 4-5 years to my knowledge. >I don't know why it isn't on by default by now, but I guess it wasn't all >that big an issue in the old dial-up world. Probably the reason its not on by default, is because it is not a "fix", its just a workaround, to work around braindead firewalls that block all ICMP. As such there would probably be considerable sacrifice in performance when it has to operate - first of all there will have to be a few lost retransmitions of large MTU packets before it realises something is wrong, and then (from Juha's post) it just drops the MTU to 536 for further communication, which is definately sub optimal, depending on what the real maximum MTU of the path is... If it was on by default, it would hide the real problem, and nothing would ever get done about it. (I can see it now - "our Bank site works fine for MS operating systems, its only those weirdo's that run Linux that have problems because they don't have PMTUBHDetect" :) For once MS got something right by not making it on by default... Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Banking/Hospital Problems and MTU
by rob.edkins＠axon.co.nz 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q159211& http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q314825& Are useful too. This fix has been around for at least 4-5 years to my knowledge. I don't know why it isn't on by default by now, but I guess it wasn't all that big an issue in the old dial-up world. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en/cnet/c > nbc_imp_yvjd.htm > > has more details. > > -- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is CONFIDENTIAL and may be exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you read this message and are not the addressee you are notified that use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. You should scan this message and any attached files for viruses. Axon Computertime accepts no liability for any loss caused either directly or indirectly by a virus arising from the use of this message or any attached file. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Banking/Hospital Problems and MTU
by rob.edkins＠axon.co.nz 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

There's a somewhat simpler reg hack on Windoze. Set HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\EnablePMTUBHDetect to 1 This enables automatic 'Black Hole' router detection and triggers automatic MTU scaling. BTW, the 'Don't Fragment' Bit is on by default with Windows. Rob > > How incredibly serendipitous. I just ran into this problem > at work the > yesterday. The service techs. for our digital radiology > system came in > and applied the latest service update. All of a sudden users weren't > able to log in via their browser loaded Java client. Funny thing is, > these guys spent 2 days trying to figure out the problem before > resorting to asking "the network guy"... one of those pride things I > guess. > > Some quality time (15 minutes) with tcpdump (well, windump) showed the > DF bit being set and repeated acknowledgment requests during the > "hang". After a modest amount of investigation and a few phone calls > the following was found: > > 1. a remote firewall blocking all ICMP (the admin won't change it) > 2. a router somewhere in the path with a lower MTU requirement > 3. a software upgrade forcing the DF bit to be set (developer won't > change it) > > Lowering the MTU on the client end fixed the problem; > however, I need to > get the registry hack distributed across ~500 desktop and all > potentially have different interface descriptions in the > HKLM/system/current control set/service/ ...what a PITA. > > > -- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the person or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is CONFIDENTIAL and may be exempt from disclosure under applicable laws. If you read this message and are not the addressee you are notified that use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. You should scan this message and any attached files for viruses. Axon Computertime accepts no liability for any loss caused either directly or indirectly by a virus arising from the use of this message or any attached file. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz falling prey to spambots?
by Simon Byrnand 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

Hi Everyone, I've just noticed a disturbing trend in the last few days. I've started receiving considerable spam to an address (which is actually just an alias) which we *only* use as the technical contact address when registering new domains with domainz. (I won't say what it is in this forum, least I make life easy for any spambots that havn't found it yet :) Email is *never* sent from this address, it is *not* on any of our web pages or used in way except to be listed as technical contact. (In case anyone just looked up our own domain, that is not the contact address in question, we've only been using it for registrations in the last couple of months) This poses the question - just how have the spambots got hold of it ? Maybe they got lucky, and guessed it, but I don't think so. That leaves the domainz website, and whois servers. For a spambot to be able to find contact details of a domain, it would have to know the domain existed in the first place, as to my knowledge domainz don't provide a "list" of domains they have in their registry for exactly this sort of reason. And yet only a few months ago there was the case of the disreputable Australian registry that somehow managed to get a list of a large number of .co.nz's and their contact details, presumably through some kind of automated queries. I'm curious if anyone else has received spam to an address they know for certain is only used as contact details on domains registered at domainz... Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Banking Problems and MTU
by Craig Whitmore 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

I was wondering what people think about this latest story.. http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/4AA2988B4A1835C5CC256BFF0014A6A8!ope… (a more technical expanation from Cisco of the problem http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/105/56.html) I've noticed this problem for ages (for example the ASB's site) when viewing their pages via a GRE tunnel (or the inability to). Is blocking _all_ ICMP types the wrong thing to do? (in paticular type 3 (unreacable), subtype 4(needs fragmentation) for PMTU Discovery) and basiclly breaking their website for people who have paths who get fragmented TCP/IP Packets) Thanks Craig Whitmore

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Are you lame? :)
by Rob Thomas 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

Hello, NZNOGers. [ Apologies to those of you who have already seen this post on NANOG. ] I recently came across a web site belonging to Justin McNutt that lists all of the lame delegations his name servers have detected. This is a great way to share some clue and keep track of errant domains. I have received his kind permission to mimic his efforts using data collected from three of my name servers. I will update this page weekly, and you will find it here: http://www.cymru.com/DNS/lame.html Justin's page is available here: https://dnps-linux2.telecom.missouri.edu/~mcnuttj/lame.html The DNS root name server statistics are still available, and have moved here: http://www.cymru.com/DNS/dns.html My thanks to the authors of the lamers.sh script, which I modified to suit my purposes. Comments and feedback are always welcome! Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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OT but desperate!
by PhoneNet 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

I'vspent several hours today tryingt o find info on how to get past an old Compaq deskpro's setup password so I can alter the system setup for a friend - any one know if it can be done? I've tried disconnecting the CMOS jumper but despite it losing the config the sytem password stuff still comes up and I figure its a ssociated with the compaq's diagnostics partition some how .... Can't find anyhting on the internet and I'm so frustrated I'm going home! - something fo rthe night owls to ponder? Ian PhoneNet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ICMP message types
by Rob Thomas 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

Hi, all. I am opposed to blocking all ICMP, for many good reasons. I do limit the ICMP types and codes I allow, however, and have put together a list that might help others as well: http://www.cymru.com/Documents/icmp-messages.html Feedback is welcome and encouraged. Be the first in your ASN to make it to the Credits section. :) I hope this helps! Simon, thanks for the suggestion to post this link to the list. Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Banking Problems and MTU
by Donald Neal 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

>From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] >Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 08:55 >To: Joe Abley >Subject: Re: Banking Problems and MTU [...] >> The worst thing you'd expect in a path throughput constriction from 8M >> to 128k is surely the loss of a window's worth of data. You'd expect to >> TCP to wind back to slow start, and you'd expect the in-flight pipeline >> to drain very rapidly. Performance would certainly be hit, but I don't >> think I would expect consistently stalled connections. >Dunno if it's relevant, but Jetstart is rate-limited at the RAN, which can >be anywhere in NZ (my one is in Glenfield, some 25-30km away, but used to >be in Wellington). >To and from the DSLAM, Jetstart users have a full RADSL connection (which >incidentally is also rate-limited, to 4Mbps down). >Would this sort of rate-limiting affect the problem? You should simply see a return to TCP slow start. TCP congestion control is not very sophisticated, but it does sort of work. And it works end to end. The cause of any packet loss in the middle isn't known to it. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2002 and Beyond
by Donald Neal 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

Counting heads during NZNOG papers last week showed a steady attendance of somewhere between 45 and 50. (Tony McGregor's paper first thing on Friday morning had an audience of only 36 when it began, but 48 by the time it finished. I suspect that to reflect time of day rather than content or presentation.) That level of attendance, and feedback to various organisers, suggests to me that holding a face to face gathering was a worthwhile exercise. My thanks to all those who contributed, and particularly to Dean Pemberton. Now, if that one was worthwhile, how about doing it again? We have already two offers for future NZNOG gatherings. 1/ UniForum NZ Roger De Salis has volunteered to act as convenor for next year's UniForum NZ conference. In general terms, his intention is to stage a conference similar in structure to this year's, though with Linux content much more focussed toward a business audience, and in general a stronger programme. NZNOG would be welcome to participate on more or less the same basis as this year, though presumably making up a smaller proportion of a larger conference. This would probably be at around the same time of year and probably in Auckland. 2/ The University of Waikato The University of Waikato have offered to host a NZNOG gathering, to be held at their main campus in Hamilton. This would be a stand-alone event, with the university providing administrative staff time for registrations and the like. No decision has been made as to when this would be. If held outside university terms, e.g. in February, accommodation on campus would be available at a cost of approximately $35 per night. There would be a cost for the venue, but this would be well below the rate a hotel would charge. The Hamilton option is likely to have a significantly lower cost. It is possible that a university setting would discourage sponsors, who provided a good number of overseas speakers this year. On the other hand, the likely venue photographs well and we haven't asked them yet. I'd be interested in feedback, quite possibly including issues not considered in this posting. If anyone else has an alternative venue/organisation suggestion, or believes we can support more than one organised gathering a year, let's hear it. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WTS: Cisco Routers
by Sahil Gupta 18 Jul '02

18 Jul '02

Hello there, I currently have 2 pieces of equipment that are up for sale: 1) Cisco 4700M+ Router, NE2E, NP4T 2) Cisco 2501, 8MB DRAM, 8MB FLASH Please email offers off-list. Cheers, Sahil

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Bag Recovered :)
by Mark Foster 16 Jul '02

16 Jul '02

Thank you Lin for picking up my bag and saving it from a trip to Wellyhole.. er.. Wellington. :) Shes been nagging me about the 'reward' all day so I figured she must know where it went. :P :) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Bag Recovered :)
by Mark Foster 16 Jul '02

16 Jul '02

Thank you Lin for picking up my bag and saving it from a trip to Wellyhole.. er.. Wellington. :) Shes been nagging me about the 'reward' all day so I figured she must know where it went. :P :) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Bag Recovered :)
by Mark Foster 16 Jul '02

16 Jul '02

Thank you Lin for picking up my bag and saving it from a trip to Wellyhole.. er.. Wellington. :) Shes been nagging me about the 'reward' all day so I figured she must know where it went. :P :) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update
by Craig Whitmore 15 Jul '02

15 Jul '02

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) at APE, please update your Filter Lists to: Add: 202.49.233.0/24 Add: 210.55.1.0/24 A Full prefix list is included as attachment. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.nzdsl.co.nz

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Lost at Uniforum :/
by Mark Foster 15 Jul '02

15 Jul '02

Ive misplaced my Targus carryback (designed to carry a notebook computer) during the Uniforum conference. If anyone who was at the conference has picked up or remembers seeing a Black bag around the size of a briefcase - probably in or around the Amy Johnson room (where registrations were run from) id appreciate it if they would let me know. Reward Offered :) Mark. (Feeling somewhat sheepish) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Election night results site peering
by Ewen McNeill 15 Jul '02

15 Jul '02

A client of mine (Catalyst IT) will be hosting the website with the "on the night" election results. The website is a set of static pages (which are updated regularly in a push from the central computer collating the results as they come in; Catalyst IT are also operating this computer at another facility). The website will be hosted at one (or possibly two) addresses out of the Catalyst IT 203.96.153.224/27 CIDR address range (allocated out of a Paradise block). This address range is advertised into WIX (WIX router is 202.7.0.72). They have a 100Mbps connection into Citylink so local bandwidth should be adequate. However for both efficiency and redundancy they are keen to take as much advantage of the peering on WIX as possible. Can I have an indication from the ISPs as to: - how many are accepting /27 routes from WIX? (I've heard some are not accepting routes smaller than /24, or even larger) - for those that do not routinely accept a /27 advertisement on WIX, whether they'd be prepared to accept that /27 advertisement around the election night period (or put in a temporary static route) - how many are advertising their dialup, adsl, cable, etc blocks into WIX (so that the return path is also peered) Comments from anyone that peers at APE (and would accept a /27 route), but doesn't have any peering/connection to Citylink/WIX would also be appreciated. At present the cheapest price for transit to APE (from Wellington) is probably outside the budget remaining, but the issue is still being considered. (Of course if someone wants to offer cheap transit to APE.... :-) ) Messages here (nznog) or directly to me (ewen(a)naos.co.nz or ewen(a)catalyst.net.nz) would be appreciated. Thanks, Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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