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dyndns
by Jean-Francois Pirus 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Is there any publicly (& free) accessible dyndns server in NZ? (Ignoring dyndns.co.nz) I'd like to use a local one, and was thinking of setting one up, but there no point in reinventing the wheel. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: What's the xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse@xtra)
by Mark Foster 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

No.. but I would like people to lose the sarcasm when its unnecessary :) At 12:24 29/04/02 +1200, Matt Camp wrote: >On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Mark Foster wrote: > > > (I got my Ihug account when I was 16 and barely knew what TCP/IP was. I > got > > my first DoS-incurred BSOD 6 days after I upgraded my DX40 from Win > 3.11 to > > Win95B - Thats a steep learning curve for someone who is NOT a natural > > talent. You gotta learn somehow, dont you?) > >Would you like a prize? > >Maybe a gold star sticker? - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: What's the xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse@xtra)
by Mark Foster 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Yup.. didnt help that Ihugs New Fandangled Transparent Proxies just 'suddenly' started ICMPing the crap out of me.. I seem to recall failing to get a straight answer out of Ihug Abuse untill id sent in at least 3 or 4 seperate (and loud) complaints. Ive run the abuse box for a couple of ISPs now Glen - so yes, ive learnt a bit since I stopped using Ihug for my internet access - but one thing I have learnt is not to ignore customers. A couple of decent, polite responses (which may or may not include things like "This is outside of our control, please do not report further abuse of this nature to us") work a lot well than a stoney silence, which used to originate from Ihug Abuse far too often. If you educate your customers theyre less likely to come back to you with the same issues. Ihug Abuse has improved somewhat over the last year or two, fortunately. :) Not bad, especially considering staff turnover. Mark. (I got my Ihug account when I was 16 and barely knew what TCP/IP was. I got my first DoS-incurred BSOD 6 days after I upgraded my DX40 from Win 3.11 to Win95B - Thats a steep learning curve for someone who is NOT a natural talent. You gotta learn somehow, dont you?) At 11:12 29/04/02 +1200, Glen Wilson wrote: >Most likely they closed it because of the amount of BlackIce logs people >thought were "hacking" attempts. > >I remember when I looked after an abuse mailbox and atleast 4 a week would >come from you Mark. > >Glen Wilson >Senior Engineer and Administrator >Network Operations Shift Supervisor >Ihug, Auckland, New Zealand > >On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Mark Foster wrote: > > > Thatd be unusual - My comms with them has always been that they have to > > wait for the log files to get parsed, which means the most recent entry is > > at least half a day old... > > > > Since when is admins@ a standard for abuse complaints anyway? :P > > > > abuse(a)xtra.co.nz would be the most appropriate address to use. (Im glad > > they reactivated it, whos bright idea was it to close that box?) > > > > > > At 10:43 29/04/02 +1200, Simon Lyall wrote: > > >On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Jean-Francois Pirus wrote: > > > > What's the current xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse(a)xtra) > > > > > > > > admins(a)team.xtra.co.nz just bounces. > > > > > >abuse(a)xtra.co.nz works okay. > > > > > >I just sent them a complaint regarding a customer of theirs spamming and > > >they replied back to be saying the customer had been delt with within > > >about 30 minutes. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > > >Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > > >ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: > http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > >where the body of your message reads: > > >unsubscribe nznog > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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What's the xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse@xtra)
by Jean-Francois Pirus 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

What's the current xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse(a)xtra) admins(a)team.xtra.co.nz just bounces. Thanks. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: What's the xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse@xtra)
by Mark Foster 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Thatd be unusual - My comms with them has always been that they have to wait for the log files to get parsed, which means the most recent entry is at least half a day old... Since when is admins@ a standard for abuse complaints anyway? :P abuse(a)xtra.co.nz would be the most appropriate address to use. (Im glad they reactivated it, whos bright idea was it to close that box?) At 10:43 29/04/02 +1200, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Jean-Francois Pirus wrote: > > What's the current xtra contact for spam (aka: abuse(a)xtra) > > > > admins(a)team.xtra.co.nz just bounces. > >abuse(a)xtra.co.nz works okay. > >I just sent them a complaint regarding a customer of theirs spamming and >they replied back to be saying the customer had been delt with within >about 30 minutes. > > >-- >Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz >Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz >ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Internet Name Protection Pty Ltd
by bob＠brockhurst.co.nz 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

As many of you will be aware there seems to be another bulk snail mail from one Internet Name Protection Pty Ltd to .co.nz name holders offering to register hitherto unregistered names. Such names can be simply registered by them for $NZ125pa ! Oddly the name holder for (internetnameprotection.co.nz) seems to be the Internet Name Group (ING) of St Kilda. ING remain suspended as a Domainz .nz provider. Derek Locke (CEO of Domainz) will be issuing a press statement (hopefully later today) discouraging people from sending ING money or having anything to do with them and I would ask you to give your customers a similar message. Domainz will be urgently investigating what other steps can be taken. Robert Gray Chair, Domainz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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WTB : Cisco Routers
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Hello there, Just wondering if anybody on the list is wanting to get rid of any Cisco 2620 or 3652 Routers? Please let me know. Cheers, Sahil - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Way OT: Employment anyone?
by Jim Mann 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Hi all, I do apologies for this way off topic post. If it's considered a massive no-no then maybe 'employment solicitation' could be explicitly included in the list of unacceptable postings! I'm hoping that by posting to people at the coal face I'll get more response than some of the agencies I've been in touch with! Very briefly then: I have: - just got here from the UK & live in Auckland. - worked for 7 years at a University Computer Centre where I: - built/managed WAN to connect 1300 schools in 2 counties, and a - MAN to connect all Universities in the region to the NREN, - Oh yes, the University LAN. - had to sell the 'Internet' to some IT Managers/Principles! (even AFTER a FREE connection!) I have not got: - Asbestos underpants, - any vendor qualifications ( I consider this an asset!) [I do have a degree though] If you know of any current or forthcoming opportunity in the ISP/Carrier area can you let me know? Or anything else in datacomms for that matter! Can I be useful to you? Thank you for your time. Jim. Jim Mann "If you don't ask - you don't get!" CV from www.lancs.ac.uk/~mannje - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Information on Australian telecommunication outages
by Arjen De Landgraaf 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

E-Secure-IT has made a calendar of Australian Telecommunication outages available on their website. Access is free. It gives a monthly/daily overview, ongoingly updated, of most planned and unplanned outages in Australia. In addition it gives a very complete and comprehensive update on all global IT security news. Good site to bookmark if you want to know what is happening with your links. Have a look at www.e-secure-it.co.nz Any comments, thoughts on improvements etc. welcome!! Arjen de Landgraaf Co-Logic Security Ltd E-Secure-IT Auckland, New Zealand arjen(a)cologic.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [OT?] The great African internet robbery
by Frank March 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

This is an arguement of long standing. In APEC it is known as 'international Internet charging arrangements for services' or ICAIS and in ITU-T as Recommendation D(iii). Precisely the same phenomenon applies to New Zealand and until relatively recently to the whole world, including Europe. Europe now has 'in house' Internet exchanges and a growing volume of indigenous content so that there is less and less reliance on Internet US-centricity. Asia is slowly evolving the same way. Arguments around this matter have been rehearsed on this list previously, when I asked for comment on a New Zealand position to take to the APEC TEL Working Group about two years ago (and received very helpful feedback). My (v. concise) summary of the New Zealand Government position on this matter is as follows: "Noting that NZ has the highest percent of GDP expenditure on telecommunications world-wide (OECD, 2000): we recognise that there is a net economic cost to NZ arising from current charging arrangements, nevertheless, this is not having a perceptible dampening effect on Internet development and use in NZ. Relevant industry opinion in NZ is that there should be no government action taken with respect to the current arrangements." Incidentally, the lack of perceptable effect on Internet development applies throughout Asia as well, in my view. I would love to see a realistic break down of comparative costs to ISPs and to their customers internationally ... I would bet that 90% of end user costs are due to domestic tariff rates and policies.There is now a considerable pile of international policy papers on this matter in the ITU and APEC TEL as well as a number of other international fora. They can be summarised as saying 'no or very little effect, dont regulate' or 'disaster, discrimination, growing digital divide, its not fair, regulate'. Logic argues that there is nothing that can or should be done about it through regulation that would be effective but that does not seem to be having much influence on the international debate. I would be happy to receive (off list) any comments members might want to make on what the NZ Government position should be and I will provide further information on the international debate on request. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Wedgwood [SMTP:cw(a)f00f.org] > Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2002 13:16 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [OT?] The great African internet robbery > > The same argument presumably applies to New Zealand (and Australia) > here. > > What the article fails to mention is there seems to be more interest > on the whole for New Zealanders to access U.S. based content than for > U.S. based users to access New Zealand based content. > > I would guess, if the option were available for parity here, that many > people in the U.S. would simple choose to ignore (cut off) NZ > completely if they had to share an equal part of the cost burden > (remember in a fair world whis would be circuits to Asia, Africa, the > Middle East and Europe), however, I have to wonder what the > incremental cost to the average U.S. based user would be of U.S. based > carriers and suppliers did take half of the cost and could > redistribute the burden over other transit and peer links. > > > > --cw > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1931000/1931120.stm > > [...] > > According to Kenya's Internet Service Providers (ISP) > Association, the continent is being forced by Western > companies to pay the full cost of connecting to worldwide > networks. > > [...] > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Gigabit Ethernet Networks
by Keith Davidson 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

I'd be interested in hearing, off list, from any techies re experiences of upgrading Cat5 ethernet using Gigabit NICs and switches - what sort of real network speed is achievable and what is good equipment to use... Any help appreciated. Thanks Keith Davidson - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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bgp-speaking routing folk at actrix, attica?
by Joe Abley 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

If there's a routing person who feels like helping me out with an annoying problem at Actrix or Attica out there, could you drop me a line? Off-list would be fine. Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Computer World Expo
by Tim John 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Is there a website for this ? Tim :-----Original Message----- :From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] :Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 11:35 :To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :Subject: Computer World Expo : : :Anyone going to be in Auck for computer world expo . ? : :If anyone wants to catch up let me know . Ill be avail Thurs, Fri, Sat :nights for copious amounts of beer. : :Best Regards : :Matthew G Brown :B & R Holdings LTD :" Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " :http://www.backupserver.co.nz :http://www.brh.co.nz : :- :To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :where the body of your message reads: :unsubscribe nznog : - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Computer World Expo
by Tim John 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Ummm .. good point ! My excuse, it's Friday :p Cheers, Tim :-----Original Message----- :From: Mark Foster [mailto:blakjak(a)blakjak.net] :Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 13:35 :To: Tim John :Subject: Re: Computer World Expo : : :Dont suppose you tried 'computerworldexpo.co.nz' ? :) : :Its also linked on the IDG site. : :I will be there for at least one day, most likely all three. : :Mark. : : : :At 13:24 19/04/02 +1200, you wrote: :>Is there a website for this ? :> :>Tim :> :> :>:-----Original Message----- :>:From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] :>:Sent: Friday, 19 April 2002 11:35 :>:To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :>:Subject: Computer World Expo :>: :>: :>:Anyone going to be in Auck for computer world expo . ? :>: :>:If anyone wants to catch up let me know . Ill be avail :Thurs, Fri, Sat :>:nights for copious amounts of beer. :>: :>:Best Regards :>: :>:Matthew G Brown :>:B & R Holdings LTD :>:" Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " :>:http://www.backupserver.co.nz :>:http://www.brh.co.nz :>: :>:- :>:To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :>:where the body of your message reads: :>:unsubscribe nznog :>: :>- :>To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :>where the body of your message reads: :>unsubscribe nznog : - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Computer World Expo
by Matthew G Brown 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Anyone going to be in Auck for computer world expo . ? If anyone wants to catch up let me know . Ill be avail Thurs, Fri, Sat nights for copious amounts of beer. Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LTD " Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Pacbell and mail
by Steve Phillips 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

Anyone else having issues sending e-mail to pacbell ? it seems they have (from first glance) blacklisted all of 210.0.0.0/8 :-) -- Steve Systems Admin, ICONZ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Off Topic Job Scrounge
by J S Russell 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

This IS off topic, but has been done before (Hi James and Matt!) so please indulge me. :) I find myself having been made redundant from Callplus, with nothing else immediately lined up as alternate employment. If any of my fellow nznog denizens have any kind of position suitable for an experienced tech/tech-manager, please let me know about it - my mortgage must be fed. Salary is fairly unimportant, as long as there is some. Hours are also fairly unimportant, as is location (though it'll have to be Auckland). Part-time is fine, too. Weekends also fine. I come complete with an optional terabyte or so of disk, packed to the gills with TV shows, and bolted to a high-spec server. This _may_ accompany me to a new gig, if that gig finds it acceptable to have such a thing on their network, but it's 100% optional. Please feel free to e-mail me if there's anything going at your company which I can assist with. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Fun will now commence. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[OT?] The great African internet robbery
by Chris Wedgwood 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

The same argument presumably applies to New Zealand (and Australia) here. What the article fails to mention is there seems to be more interest on the whole for New Zealanders to access U.S. based content than for U.S. based users to access New Zealand based content. I would guess, if the option were available for parity here, that many people in the U.S. would simple choose to ignore (cut off) NZ completely if they had to share an equal part of the cost burden (remember in a fair world whis would be circuits to Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Europe), however, I have to wonder what the incremental cost to the average U.S. based user would be of U.S. based carriers and suppliers did take half of the cost and could redistribute the burden over other transit and peer links. --cw http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1931000/1931120.stm [...] According to Kenya's Internet Service Providers (ISP) Association, the continent is being forced by Western companies to pay the full cost of connecting to worldwide networks. [...] - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Tower Access ChCh
by Matthew G Brown 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

I need a tranmission site for 2.4ghz & 5.8ghz over looking CBD of ChCh. If anyone has an idle site can they hit me off list. Will do Co-Op if interested. Also lost a Spec Analyser in auck cbd. If anyone hears of one being found on the streets let me know . Or keep it , its insured :) Sorry, little OT :) Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LTD " Online Data Security & Wireless Internet Wholesale " http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix Lists Update (Again)
by Craig Whitmore 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Hi.. For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) please update your Filter Lists to: Remove: 202.27.188.0/25 Add: 202.27.188.128/25 For those who ignore anything advertised smaller than a /24 please ignore this. A Full prefix list is included as attachment. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz

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Re: Maybe OT: Traffic Magnet: Spam or what?
by Simon Byrnand 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

At 07:29 12/04/02 +1200, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Eon wrote: >2. 95% of the time the spamming address is bogus or stolen so it just ends >up stuck in the mail queues (with postmaster getting the bounces and >warning messages) or flooding some innocent party. Amen :( Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Maybe OT: Traffic Magnet: Spam or what?
by Craig Whitmore 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

People most likely have come across this in the past, but HOW to you get off "TrafficMagnet" stupid lists?? I have a number of web sites, and I get about 2-3 Emails from them per week from "Christine Hall " which is very anoying. Each time for the last 6 months I have emailed them back saying "remove me please, I am not interested in your service" , but I still keep getting them. Do you think a Physical Registered Letter Send to them in the mail from a Lawyer asking them to stop work? Has anyone else had trouble with this "Company" in the past. PS: I know I can just make a procmail/outlook express rule to delete them, but I don't want to get them in the first place. Thanks Craig Whitmore - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Maybe OT: Traffic Magnet: Spam or what?
by Michael Bordignon 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

yeah, i get spammed by her regulary too.. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Whitmore [mailto:lennon(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 9:03 AM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Maybe OT: Traffic Magnet: Spam or what? Has anyone else had trouble with this "Company" in the past. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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HitWise
by Steve Phillips 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

Hi, This word is starting to circulate about our office and I was wondering if anyone else had any experience with this crowd, at first look it seems like some dogey marketing rubbish that I should not let anywhere near our network here, but because they promise you money and apparently take "nothing confidential" management are viewing it through eyes painted with pretty wee dollar signs.. http://www.hitwise.com/ is their website.. comments/suggestions ? (note, allowing anyone access to our proxy logs without a search warrant grates at me already and will be one argument against this that I will be raising as an issue..) -- Steve. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: HitWise
by Donald Neal 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

Anonymised proxy cache logs have been passed around for research purposes for many years. No identification of users, no problem. - Donald Neal >On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Steve Phillips wrote: > >> (note, allowing anyone access to our proxy logs without a search >> warrant grates at me already and will be one argument against this that >> I will be raising as an issue..) > >Doesn't the Privacy Act ban that sort of user tracking? > >-- >Juha Saarinen > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > -- Ihug Network Operations Centre, Phone: +64 9 359 2708 Auckland, New Zealand. Email: noc(a)ihug.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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