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The SRS and Lame Delegations
by Zanetti David 17 Mar '02

17 Mar '02

Thorny issue I'm sure everyone has a view on: Should the SRS test given nameservers for a name for authorativeness at submission (ie, check for lame delegations), and if so, should it require all provided nameservers to give authorative answers, or a minimum number (suggest please :) ). If it does perform such checks, how often should it repeat them? Agreement by all is not being sought, just arguments either way. -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Security Engineer, New Zealand Post Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: The SRS and Lame Delegations
by David Farrar 17 Mar '02

17 Mar '02

> Thorny issue I'm sure everyone has a view on: > > Should the SRS test given nameservers for a name for authorativeness at > submission (ie, check for lame delegations), and if so, should it require > all provided nameservers to give authorative answers, or a minimum number > (suggest please :) ). If it does perform such checks, how often should it > repeat them? > > Agreement by all is not being sought, just arguments either way. Would another issue be whether the registry should do this checking at all, or should it be a policy requirement of registrars to check for this? DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Spam on the increase again
by Simon Byrnand 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

At 12:50 12/03/02 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Simon Byrnand wrote: >> I've been trialing orbz and ordb in the last couple of months (not related >> to orbs) and they've been very good. Naturally I've kept a very close eye >> on it, but I've only had 2 instance where genuine mail wasn't getting >> through that I know of - and in both cases they WERE actually open relays. >> I was easily able to add an exclusion for those two servers until they got >> off their ass and fixed their open relay. (Both did after a couple of >> weeks) Both also have good and fast removal policies so they're not the >> sort of list that once you get on you can never get off...(ala the original >> orbs :) > >I find orbz a bit of a pain, they are very fast to add us when a customer >is open relay and using us as a smart-host. I've now got them notifying >me/noc directly so that as soon as then add us (provisionally I think) we >get notified and can (a) block the customer from our mail servers (b) >notify orbz to retest (c) contact the customer. If you're only a smart host for your customer who is actually the open relay, then at worst you should find yourself on their "outputs" list, but not on the "inputs" list. I only use the inputs list, which is what they recommend for exactly that reason...if others use the outputs list they do so at their own peril. Yeah, it might be a bit of a pain for you, but it has served its purpose - it's alerted you to an open relay within your netblock which more than likely has already passed some spam. (Otherwise nobody would have bothered to submit it to orbz in the first place) Actually I think they should notify the netblock owners by default rather than being "opt in", as it would get a lot more open relays fixed, but they say that would constitute spam ;) >With respect to NZ spammers we had a problem with one going around all the >Cyber Cafes and using computers there to send email, we have put in a >block for those however. I understand the spammer in question (various >e-gold (or something) related scams) was causing problems with other >people as well. Heh. I don't think I've come across that one. Yet... Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Spam on the increase again
by Simon Byrnand 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

At 14:00 11/03/02 +1300, David Robb wrote: >On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Simon Byrnand wrote: > >> I don't know if anyone else has noticed the same thing, but spam seems to >> be on a major increase again, that makes last time (a few months ago when I >> started a thread about it then) seem like nothing by comparison. I've also >> read a couple of articles in the online press bemoaning the latest resurgence. > >I've seen a fairly large amount all with a similar pattern - all claiming >to be from [random characters](a)yahoo.com. Yep, I was seeing a lot of that too... Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spam on the increase again
by Simon Byrnand 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

I don't know if anyone else has noticed the same thing, but spam seems to be on a major increase again, that makes last time (a few months ago when I started a thread about it then) seem like nothing by comparison. I've also read a couple of articles in the online press bemoaning the latest resurgence. I'm curious to know what (if anything) other ISP's are doing to try and counter the flood of spam that seems to be happening lately. Last time around I was mainly finding out about specific spam from customers forwarding it to me, this time around I'm receiving it myself as well, and in fairly large quantities. :-( So much so that I decided to go through and identify the source of my last weeks spam, including all the stuff in my postmaster bounce box for the last week. (Yeah, ok, I probably had too much time on my hands, but it was really frustrating me :) Double bounces are extremely common with spam, because all it takes is a spammer sending to a local address that doesn't exist anymore, (which happens frequently, because they like to target multiple envelope addressees with the same message and never remove anyone off their lists) using a reply to address which is fake. (Which is the case 95% of the time, including the infamous "Reply with the word REMOVE to be removed" messages) Because of that nearly every double bounce is spam, all nicely sorted for me including headers :) I ended up adding over 100 entries to my manual blocklist just in the one session...in a way its just a futile outlet for frustration, but I did find some interesting statistics: * The bulk of the spam for the last week (by message count) was sent by just a few (<20) sources, with one particular case where the same source was spamming the same 30 addresses nearly every hour. (Eeek) Most of the other sources were only one message a piece. (In other words they were probably randomly used relays, rather than the original source, since a number of the messages were identical although the last hop relay was different) * Almost every message has the return address forged, (surprise ;-) usually to a well known domain, like yahoo.com. * A large percentage have ip's that don't resolve. Together with setting the HELO response to the name of the domain they're impersontating, it can be easy to overlook their forgery in the Recieved by lines, eg: Received: from bigpond.com.au ([211.251.218.2]) It's not until you remember that the hostname should be within the parenthesis that you realise its fake.. :) * Some spammers seem to group email addresses together by domain name and send them as one message (presumably to save bandwidth, by letting the destination MTA handle the multiple delivery) but in doing so they often also list all the email addresses in the CC: field which looks VERY bad to any customer receiving that mail. (They think a group of email addresses have been "sold" to spammers, when its really just "normally" harvested addresses being sorted by domain) * Most ip addresses seemed to be either schools or businesses in Korea, or ADSL addresses in the US, Australia or the Netherlands. Very few (maybe 5%) of the spam actually came legitimately through the mailserver of the domain it purported to be from. Anyone else have any similar experiences ? Anyone else keeping track on spam or trying to fight it in any way ? While I'm on the subject, what is the accepted contact address these days for reporting spam to (NZ) ISP's ? postmaster@ or abuse@ or ? I forwarded a copy of spam that originated at an NZ ISP to postmaster@ their domain but havn't heard back yet. I realise that the postmaster address can be a bit over-used since thats where most MTA's like to send their delivery notifications etc to.... Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Phew looks like we were lucky
by Dean Pemberton 09 Mar '02

09 Mar '02

Wow, I just read this really interesting article in Infotech this morning. It was written by this internet expert, and he was saying that a bunch of 'techies' came really close to breaking the New Zealand internet. That it might have impacted my ability to dial up. He also suggests that the government might like to step in and take over. http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1112116a1983,FF.html It must be true if it got printed. Dean (I thought sarcastic irony was better than a venomous attack on this occasion) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Ewen McNeill 09 Mar '02

09 Mar '02

Apologies for the mostly-off-topic post. In message <20020225230605.GA17795(a)tapu.f00f.org>, Chris Wedgwood writes: >On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 11:57:39AM +1300, Juha Saarinen wrote: > JCM was devised as a method of limiting broadband service uptake > >Until I see proof of this, I'm going to call BULLSHIT. FWIW, I'm inclined to agree (that it's bullshit). The JCM (and similar systems which have been in use in New Zealand for a long time) are attempts to limit demand to a level where the supply can be made at a similar cost to what is being paid. So that increases in bandwidth required to supply the demand can be met out of revenue. >I wish people in New Zealand would stop pretending bandwidth is cheap >and/or cost almost zero and expecting vast amounts of resource for >little cost. It doesn't work that way. Anywhere. >From my point of view bandwidth is very cheap now. Of course this is coming from first connecting to the Internet when we were being charged around $600/MB ($0.60 per kilobyte) for (international) traffic. Now I'm paying, what, about $0.20 per megabyte (less in some instances) for international traffic. That's about 1/3000th of the cost a bit of 10 years ago (about 13 years ago now IIRC). Sure there's lots of things one could do if someone were handing out bandwidth for free. There's lots of things one could do if someone were handing out money for free too. That doesn't meant it's a good idea to get fixated on them, and blame the people not giving things away for free for "holding you back" or whatever. The Paradise.Net charging model (for want of a better term) where plans include some amount of traffic "for free" (ie, in the base cost) may have some of the effects that people are hoping for in their "fixed price, all you can eat" plans, but without the horrendous downside effects of "all you can eat" plans (on everyone else, the provider, etc). This is particularly true where the plan includes more traffic than most people can sensibly use in the period (eg, the Paradise.Net plans that have 10GB of traffic included in them). (A friend of mine with a 10GB traffic plan has been trying _very_ hard to use it all up in a month, without succeeding.) My plan at home (a mere 1GB of traffic included) is plenty fine for me; I've never ever hit the limit (in the 18 months I've had the connection), and only rarely think about not doing something "because of the traffic charges". (About the only thing I actively avoid doing is downloading ISO images of (free) software releases.) If somehow I could get more than 128kbps upstream I'd be really happy. (2Mbps downstream is very nice; but 512kbps downstream was fine. 512kbps upstream would be really nice. Anyone lurking from TSNZ take note: I'll pay real money (up to about 50% more for the connection) for a better upstream on my cable connection. I don't even care if it's not backed by international bandwidth; I want this extra upstream bandwidth for local (NZ-wide) use.) Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: ihug problems this morning.
by Simon Lyall 07 Mar '02

07 Mar '02

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Grant Zanetti wrote: > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, J S Russell wrote: > > They have multiple Leons now. :) > It's our version of redundancy. Actually ihug's version of redundancy is when people lose their jobs and get a few week's pay as compensation. Seriously though the Herald article this morning is "a pack of lies" , it's a usual Foreman beatup which appears to use our MOTD page as the sole source of information. Once again people are advised to stear clear of this guy, he appears to be only interested in writting "National Enquirer" type headlines. -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: ihug problems this morning.
by Stephen Andrew 07 Mar '02

07 Mar '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bordignon [mailto:michael.b(a)infometrics.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2002 13:19 > To: 'Juha Saarinen' > Cc: NZNog > Subject: RE: ihug problems this morning. > > > maybe someone tripped over the phone cord to the paradise dialup.. What? Leon?? You there leon??? -- Andrew. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > > Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2002 1:14 PM > > To: Simon Lyall > > Cc: NZNog > > Subject: Re: ihug problems this morning. > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Simon Lyall wrote: > > > > > People might have noticed that we have been having > > problems this morning. > > > > Someone standing in front of the transponder again? ;-) This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Annoying spammers...
by Mark Derricutt 07 Mar '02

07 Mar '02

'lo, dont usually post here (not being a net.admin and all), but recently I'd been getting alot of spam from a "Gordon Hooper" advertising "DHS Clubshop", I've also been receiving spam directly from mail.clubshop.com. Gordon seems to be a kiwi, posting from a kiwi ISP. I mailed abuse@ and got no response, then spoke to someone on the support desk who seemed very keen to put a stop to his spamming, forwarded the messages to him but no response, so am posting here to see if anyone here knows anything about his spamming history, or if someone from his ISP is watching and can "deal" to it. Headers from one of the spam items: Return-path: <gordonnz1(a)hotmail.com> Envelope-to: mark(a)talios.com Delivery-date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:01:44 +1300 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=root) by se7en.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16gHlI-0002zv-00 for <mark(a)talios.com>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:01:44 +1300 Received: from wibble.net by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.3.3) for mark(a)talios.com (multi-drop); Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:01:44 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.20]) by wibble.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12878 for <mark(a)talios.com>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:11:48 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: wibble.net: Host [202.37.101.20] claimed to be tyler.snap.net.nz Received: from p75-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.29.75] helo=hotmail.com) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 16gG2t-000555-00 for <mark(a)talios.com>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:11:47 +1300 Message-ID: <2862710-22002242821256860(a)hotmail.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 0, 4 X-EM-Registration: #00F06206106618006920 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: gordonnz1(a)hotmail.com From: "Gordon Hooper" <gordonnz1(a)hotmail.com> To: "Mark Derricutt" <mark(a)talios.com> Subject: Hi Mark another month is ending!!! Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:12:56 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by wibble.net id PAA12878 X-UIDL: 85b20affc9efbb0214c79d7ba39a7e8f -- \m/ -- "...if I seem super human I have been misunderstood." (c) Dream Theater mark(a)talios.com - ICQ: 1934853 JID: talios(a)myjabber.net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: ihug problems this morning.
by Michael Bordignon 06 Mar '02

06 Mar '02

maybe someone tripped over the phone cord to the paradise dialup.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2002 1:14 PM > To: Simon Lyall > Cc: NZNog > Subject: Re: ihug problems this morning. > > > On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Simon Lyall wrote: > > > People might have noticed that we have been having > problems this morning. > > Someone standing in front of the transponder again? ;-) > > -- > Juha - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ihug problems this morning.
by Simon Lyall 06 Mar '02

06 Mar '02

People might have noticed that we have been having problems this morning. Mostly fixed now except for our APE link. :( -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Semi OT: Anybody using the EIGRP protocal?
by Malcolm Lockyer 04 Mar '02

04 Mar '02

Hello all.. I was messing 'round on amazon (reading all the book exerpts :P) and in a cisco book I found some stuff about EIGRP routing protocal. What I read about it, it sounded really good, like had all the benifits of OSPF and uses less CPU power, and easier to setup etc. So, I was just curious, is anybody in NZ using EIGRP? Oh, and I'm a stupid newbie, so I'm sorry if the next few questions are kind silly, but, I guess everybody has gotta start somewhere.. :P I've only worked with cisco 2500's, so this may be totally off for the newer routers, but... When configuring the 2503 and 2514 with IOS 12.0, it seems that the only protocals it, "likes" is RIP and IGRP, say if I wanted to use EIGRP is it just a matter of saying somthing like "ip EIGRP" on the interfaces, or do you have to do somthing like upgrade to an IOS with EIGRP included? Also I was wondering, say I had a mid sized network, and I decided that I wanted to use, EIGRP protocal on my network. But, say, I was getting internet delivered over frame relay, and that service provider was using, say RIP. Would that work? Or do you need to do somthing special to the routers to allow somthing like that, data moving between routing protocals?? Thanks Malcolm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Conference papers
by Dean Pemberton 04 Mar '02

04 Mar '02

Remember people - If you want to present a paper at the conference and have not mailed me about it (after the CFP and too the special email address) then you are not down on the list. I know that I could just copy over the original list, but it was really only to gauge interest, and lets face it if you can't handle mailing me again then what hope do I have of getting a paper out of you =) So here we go again, Mail suggestions/abstracts to nznog2002(a)deanpemberton.com Thanks Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom broadband trial in Dunedin(?)
by Juha Saarinen 04 Mar '02

04 Mar '02

Is there any information about that, on the Web? -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: CALL FOR PAPERS for the APT workshop on "Networking Strategie s for Regional Internet Traffic Routing Arrangements" 9 - 11 May, Republi c of Palau
by Frank March 03 Mar '02

03 Mar '02

Marginally OT perhaps but may be of interest to list members nevertheless. Those who remember the international internet charging issue/fiasco (which, by the way is still doing its merry rounds within APEC TEL and ITU Study group 3 but with little prospect of getting anywhere, fortunately) may be interested to know that it all started within the APT. If anyone wants more details please contact me directly and I will pass on the MS word docs attached originally which I have deleted in deference to the AUP for this list. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > From: Pornpan [SMTP:pornpan(a)aptsec.org] > Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 20:48 > To: companies(a)aptsec.org; affiliates(a)aptsec.org; associates(a)aptsec.org; > members(a)aptsec.org > Cc: V.P. SINHA; Joon-Won LEE; Mick MILLINGTON; Chaiyuth SUKSIRI; > aptsg(a)aptsec.org > Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS for the APT workshop on "Networking > Strategies for Regional Internet Traffic Routing Arrangements" 9 - 11 May, > Republic of Palau > > Our ref.: APT/SG/General/2002-13 > > February 25, 2002 > > Subject: > CALL FOR PAPERS > for the APT workshop on "Networking Strategies for Regional Internet > Traffic Routing Arrangements" > 9 - 11 May, Republic of Palau > > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > We refer to our letter of invitation to you for the APT workshop on > "Networking Strategies for Regional Internet Traffic Routing Arrangements" > which will be held from 9 to 11 May 2002 at the Palasia Hotel, Koror, > Republic of Palau. > > We have also sent a "Call for Papers" for the workshop alongwith the > invitation letter. We are again sending the "Call for Papers" for your > consideration. Please find attached the "Call for Paper" and the tentative > program for the workshop. > > The workshop which will be of 2 ½ days duration will bring the Service > Providers, regulators, administrations and other concerned parties of the > Asia-Pacific region to discuss on the suitable architecture for regional > Internet traffic routing arrangements. > > This workshop will have an impact on the future of Internet traffic > routing of the Asia-Pacific region, as it will be discussing the setting > up of an Internet hub in the Asia-Pacific region. Therefore, we highly > encourage participation from experts from your administration/organization > who are skilled in the areas of Internet Networking and Routing. > > Please request the expert to send the presentation title, abstract and > biodata by 15 March 2002 to the APT Secretariat, Bangkok, at > aptsg(a)aptsec.org <mailto:aptsg(a)aptsec.org> or fax +662 573 7479/574 4226 > for our evaluation purposes. > > The presentation should be sent to the above address by 5 April 2002. > > The expert can choose one of the topics below for the presentation with > respect to the architectural alternatives for the Asia-Pacific Internet > traffic routing arrangements: > > * Issues to be considered for a regional Internet traffic routing hub > * Services issues (DNS forwarders, mirror sites, WWW caches) > * QoS/Network Management issues (Latency, QoS, regional Network > Management, etc.) > * Peering issues (inter and intra-region) > * Charging, regulatory issues > > We look forward to hearing from you soon. > > With best regards, > > Yours sincerely, > (Sgnd) > Hugh Railton > Deputy Executive Director > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Asia-Pacific Telecommunity > 12/49 Soi 5 Chaengwattana Road > Bangkok 10210, Thailand > Tel: +66 2 573 0044 > Fax: +66 2 573 7479 > URL: <http://www.aptsec.org/> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > km/ps > > Attachments: > 1) Call for Paper > 2) Tentative Program Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 03 Mar '02

03 Mar '02

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 320 subscribers. February 2002 was the first month I can remember during which that number didn't increase. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings continue to be bounced, but not as often as spam.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities Work is now under way towards a conference and social gathering to be held at the Auckland Airport Centra on 11 and 12 July 2002. Speakers, organisational workers and sponsors have stepped forward, but more are being sought. Voice over IP, wireless networking and IPv6 seem to be among the topics in which there's most interest. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Confidential DRS post implementation review now public
by Robert Gray 02 Mar '02

02 Mar '02

Peter Mott wrote: >Today I received in the post the above 55 page document marked >"commercial in confidence" within an envelope marked >"private and confidential" Sadly the "commercial in confidence" was left in in error. Copies distributed in future will not contain this qualification. The intent (as stated inthe accompanying letter and in the Board commentary) is to make the review available to interested parties in the public interest. -- Robert Gray bob(a)brockhurst.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Semi OT: Anybody using the EIGRP protocal?
by Thomas Salmen 01 Mar '02

01 Mar '02

Enabling eigrp is the same as with most other routing protocols: router eigrp 10 network 10.1.0.0 network 192.168.5.0 network x.x.x.x We don't use EIGRP ourselves, and I don't have a huge amount of experience with it personally (other than lab study). I'm not aware of anyone using it (not that this means anything - as far as I know everyone in the country could be). EIGRP is often referred to as a balanced-hybrid routing protocol, in that it displays properties of both distance vector and link state protocols. Unlike distance-vector (eg RIP), EIGRP does not indiscriminately fire routing updates across the 'net; unlike link-state protocols, EIGRP treats everything as one large area. Because of this, EIGRP can become more troublesome to manage in larger internetworks: care must be taken to design a network which does not destabilise easily. OSPF does a nice job of reducing this complexity by making it intuitive to break a network into individual areas, and (essentially) routing between them; the process with EIGRP is rather more manual. Routing information can be summarised at router interfaces, creating a similarly hierarchical topology. Good initial network design can eliminate many problems from the beginning. PS - like I said, I don't have a lot of experience with EIGRP first-hand - most of what I say here is inferred through study or research. Regarding your last question: if you only have the one connection to the outside world (eg your hypothetical frame), you don't need to run any routing protocol over it. Your router (the 2500) only needs a default router pointing to the appropriate next hop - how the next hop decides how to forward packets you send it is irrelevant, as far as you are concerned. You can be using RIP, your provider could use OSPF. Just as long as they get where they are supposed to. Of course, the situation becomes far more interesting with two upstream pipes... -- Regards, Thomas Salmen Network Manager Radionet Ltd. 72 Paul Matthews Road Albany, Auckland, New Zealand Ph: +64 9 4140 300 -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Lockyer [mailto:hivemindhivemind(a)hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2002 7:47 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Semi OT: Anybody using the EIGRP protocal? Hello all.. I was messing 'round on amazon (reading all the book exerpts :P) and in a cisco book I found some stuff about EIGRP routing protocal. What I read about it, it sounded really good, like had all the benifits of OSPF and uses less CPU power, and easier to setup etc. So, I was just curious, is anybody in NZ using EIGRP? Oh, and I'm a stupid newbie, so I'm sorry if the next few questions are kind silly, but, I guess everybody has gotta start somewhere.. :P I've only worked with cisco 2500's, so this may be totally off for the newer routers, but... When configuring the 2503 and 2514 with IOS 12.0, it seems that the only protocals it, "likes" is RIP and IGRP, say if I wanted to use EIGRP is it just a matter of saying somthing like "ip EIGRP" on the interfaces, or do you have to do somthing like upgrade to an IOS with EIGRP included? Also I was wondering, say I had a mid sized network, and I decided that I wanted to use, EIGRP protocal on my network. But, say, I was getting internet delivered over frame relay, and that service provider was using, say RIP. Would that work? Or do you need to do somthing special to the routers to allow somthing like that, data moving between routing protocals?? Thanks Malcolm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Porirua Jetstream
by Steve Winter 01 Mar '02

01 Mar '02

Hi, I'm a 'sometimes' end user of Jetstream, who has been 'enjoying' the recent thread... Now I say sometimes because I have been unable to connect for the last approx. 20 hours...my ISP, who shall at this time remain nameless, has recently informed me that this is a Telecom problem within the entire Porirua basin... As the same 'tech' person is the one who assured me that to reboot an external router I had to restart my computer, and also asked me to tell him what results I got from a tracert to their server were, when I had just spent 5 min explaining that I had no internet connection, in all honesty I have little faith in the accuracy of this statement... :-) A web search turns up nothing useful...just wondered if anyone on the list can confirm or deny... Kind regards Steve - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Scheduled: Work on ihug to APE link 3pm Friday.
by Simon Lyall 01 Mar '02

01 Mar '02

Just a note that we will be doing some work on our link to APE at 3pm this afternoon. Hopefully it should only take a minutes but be might see the odd error. We have also been adjusting our wellington setup this afternoon if people notice any changes to our WIX advertising. This should all be stable soon. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Telecom mail server problems
by Donald Neal 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

>>> "Chris Wedgwood" <cw(a)f00f.org> 02/28/02 10:05 >>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 05:24:02PM +1300, Jean-Francois Pirus wrote: >> FYI: I had to disable ECN on our mail servers to be able to send >> mail to telecom.co.nz. So that's still an ongoing problem. >Their problem, not yours. Unless you think that you should be conservative in what you send (see RFC3168). - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Juniper Networks(r) Routers: The Complete Reference
by Dean Pemberton 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

I knew keeping quiet about Rogers 10GigE vendor spam was going to pay off eventually. This is not so much vendor spam as a Public Service announcement. =) The first Juniper Networks Reference book has just been released. It was written by some of our best engineers (read as: HEAPS better than me), and it aims to be as the title says "The Complete Reference". One of the Authors is Jeff Doyle. You might remember him from such small books as "Routing TCP/IP Volume 1 and 2". So either keep a lookout at your local bookstore, make an order, or here is the amazon URL. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194812/qid=1014934141/sr=8-1/ref… - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG 2002: Call for Papers
by Donald Neal 28 Feb '02

28 Feb '02

A gathering of the New Zealand Network Operators' Group is planned for 11 and 12 July 2002, to be part of the UniForum NZ conference being held at the Auckland Airport Centra Hotel (in Kirkbride Rd, Mangere). A number of people and organisations have offered to provide content, but other offers are still welcome. If you'd like to present a paper, a tutorial, a practical demonstration, or indeed something else on a topic likely to interest NZNOG subscribers, we'd like to hear from you. Among subjects in which people have expressed interest are: IPv6 implementation, Multicasting; Quality of Service; Voice over IP and Wireless and community networking, but other suggestions are welcome. Material to be presented may be either leading-edge or more introductory. If you or your company is able to offer a presentation, or if you'd like to add a request for a topic to be discussed, please email nznog2002(a)deanpemberton.com . The sooner we hear from you, the more likely we can do something about it. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom mail server problems
by Jean-Francois Pirus 27 Feb '02

27 Feb '02

FYI: I had to disable ECN on our mail servers to be able to send mail to telecom.co.nz. So that's still an ongoing problem. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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