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Re: Outage on APE this evening
by Simon Blake 27 Feb '02

27 Feb '02

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:18:36PM +1300, Peter Mott said: > I take it you have a quick means of restoring the current image if the box > displays sillyness on reload? I've got a goodly number of identical switches in Wellington all running the same code release, so I've no reason to believe the 3524's in the Sky tower will display altitude sickness. I've also discovered that if you delete all the HTML off the flash, you can fit two images on (the old and the new), which does give us a way back if they display Auckland specific silliness. In addition, we'll have a tech on standby - he needs to be on site to install gigabit between the switches (part of the reason for the upgrade is to install an IOS release that supports copper GBICs). So if I do royally putz something up (fairly unlikely, given that I've done about 60 of these upgrades in the last two months), we'll have somebody there to type stuff into the boot loader and reinstantiate the old image. Cheers Si - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Outage on APE this evening
by Simon Blake 27 Feb '02

27 Feb '02

Hi Folks. A quick heads up, there will be an outage of approximately 75 seconds on each of the APE switches tomorrow (Fri Mar 1) morning at 6am (timing is negotiable, if anybody has a good reason to have it earlier or later). This is to upgrade IOS on each box (to the same level as the same switches in Wgtn). Cheers Si - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Greater Government Control of Icann sought by Icann)
by Andy Linton 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

You might like a view from a senior IETF figure. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:33:53 -0800 From: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> Subject: Re: ICANN reformation from: <http://www.icann.org/general/lynn-reform-proposal-24feb02.htm> [ and the announcement <http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-24feb02.htm> ] "It is now more than three years since the creation of ICANN, and there are some real accomplishments: the introduction of a competitive registrar market, the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy, the creation of seven new global Top Level Domains." <flame> the registrar market is not usefully competitive. the seven new tlds are a failure. the udrp is kind of a success, but it took tanks and guns to keep icann's lawyer from handing it to washington trademark lobbiests and the recording industry. and the new gtlds are failures, many are not even working and neustar had another big layoff last week. the story i get is that the board, after much 'discussion' has let this brilliant idea float. at least the following were arguments o icann is running out of money o icann needs $20m, half, $10m, is to run the root servers o the dnso has been a failure o governments will give icann money imiho, o again, icann is more interested in, and totally focused on, arranging power rather than providing simple stewardship and service. icann is brilliant at rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. the problem is they have the internet on board. o why does icann have to spend $10m to run the root servers when it never usd to cost anything? they're run voluntarily. heck, i know isps who give free circuits to them! o icann could be run for $1-2m/yr - scale down operations and fancy meetings *completely*, meet at ripe, inet, ... - get back to simple stewardship and management - *earn* the cooperation of cctlds, registries, and they can support a *small* icann, ... o the idea that governments will give icann money is probably flawed. the criminal mob would be more likely to do so, and would likely extract less of a price. o explaining reality to the current icann powers that be is extremely hard. explaining it to governments, who, under this plan, would be given vast power, will be virtually impossible. clueless bureaucrats can actually *break* the internet. o the failure of the dnso is merely the failure of one of icann's sillinesses. it is no loss, it is a demonstration of a fatal misunderstanding of reality. o icann only needs to - coordinate allocation of address space to the RIRs - maintain the root zone file - slowly try to get MsOU with the folk icann actually serves one computer scientist used to do this as a part time job. how much of a mountain can we make of a molehill? o the board should immediately install a president, or whatever the position is called, who actually remembers how to serve the internet simply, with constructive cooperation, and less than $20m/yr. as no one with clue will want to do this job for a long time, it likely needs to be a pro tem appointment. o if the president pro tem is not technical, get a cto or vp tech pro tempore. it will need an understanding of the technology to scale icann back without damaging anything. o there is one good thing for scaling icann down now. the pressure for new gtlds has to be less, seeing the great financial boon the seven new ones have not seen. o another is that the constituencies are tired, years of doing nothing but spending money on fancy hotels and creating massive hot air. years of the icann process may have actually filtered some clue into the players. i suspect that only the combined voices of the isps, ietf, registries, etc. can insert some rationality into this craziness. get icann under control, shrink it back down to something small, and SERVE the internet, stop trying to rule it. </flame> randy -- you are free to redistribute this message - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Richard Naylor 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

At 01:06 p.m. 27/02/2002 +1300, Juha Saarinen wrote: >On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Richard Naylor wrote: > > > However, its not that bad. Remember we are DEREGULATED. That means YOU can > > dig up the road. Just fill in the form, comply with the specs and get out > > your shovel. Hook up 12 people and get an operators licence. your own > > letter from the GG. > >I was told that it's not that simple. You need permits, and you have to >pay the local council a hefty sum for the "ground lease" (or a similar >term). The permits are typically called street opening notices. You follow the local code of practice and you should be sweet. The ground lease idea is something that councils are trying on at the moment, just like building owners are trying to get operators to pay them for the cables being in buildings. So just watch how useful a building (or city) is like without services. AKL people know what it was like without power. >This might be a peculiarity for Auckland city, however. Akl CC doesn't get the program. Which is why AKL is referred to as a "bandwidth desert" - and that gets us back to the beginning of the topic. rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Lets fix what we don't like! (was: Phew looks like we were lucky)
by Malcolm Lockyer 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

But who isn't owned by telecom these days? I mean, southern cross etc. If your not getting your bandwidth via jetscam (ie. TC) then what is it being delivered over? Unless you wanna get frame to clear, and pay a $K or so every month, which you can only get someplaces anyway. Looking at that, there pretty much isn't any alternitives for a lowly hamiltonian, so, the only thing I can do is use jetscam and pay $.2/meg, or go back to dial-up, and 5K/sec d/l's, which I can't stand *anymore*. Oh for the days of fiber to every house! :D The thing I don't get about this, is, if TC found the money to lay copper all those years ago for phones, and, with ppl payin' somthing like $30/month. I understand that there has got somthing behind it to supply bandwidth, etc. but if you compare laying fiber to homes to telephones 30 odd years ago (which is when lots of the current phone stuff started to go in (I think, I could be wrong). I don't really understand how it could cost soo much to lay glass? I understand that it costs a whole bunch for the southern cross cables, but there are ways around it. Get some crazy contract to get tc to lay fiber everywhere, so do somthing like for example have , a couple of big grunty transparent proxies, on gig ethernet, so, all the stuff it has, comes through at say, 10-100mbit/s, but if not, it tribbles through at say, 1/10gig (which is still okay - but 'cause lots of ppl using it the cost would be spread out), then have local traffic commin' through at 10-100mbit/s anyway 'cause local is almost dirt cheap. Or purhaps, some private company, get together a couple of mill from somewhere, and lay some new fiber strands (just string it behind a boat, with sinkers! :P) across the ocean, charge HEAPS less for bandwidth, so that nobody uses the TC one, so they sell it in a hope to get any money back, then we could take over their multi-billion dollar cable!! :D:P I know that last one is a little silly, but, doable. All I'm saying is we should stop sitting 'round and complaining about how much tc charge for jetscam, and do somthing about it! So, who's with me? Lets change what we don't like, and revolutionise how ppl deliver and charge for fast net!!!!!!!!!!! :D Malcolm >From: Rodger Donaldson <rodgerd(a)diaspora.gen.nz> >Reply-To: rodgerd(a)diaspora.gen.nz >To: Mark Foster <blakjak(a)blakjak.net> >CC: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: Phew looks like we were lucky > >On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 12:36:37PM +1300, Mark Foster wrote: > > > > > From my point of view bandwidth is very cheap now. Of course this is > > >coming from first connecting to the Internet when we were being charged > > >around $600/MB ($0.60 per kilobyte) for (international) traffic. Now >I'm > > >paying, what, about $0.20 per megabyte (less in some instances) for > > >international traffic. > > > > My problem with this is that you pay $0.20/meg for *traffic* regardless >of > > its target. > >No, you don't, unless you've chosen Telecom as a provider. You pay one >tenth for domestic traffic, last I looked at my pricing plan. Ewen's >talking about TelstraNameOfTheWeek cable modems. > > > Bandwidth has dropped in cost, but we download more, and faster, >nowadays. > >Oddly enough, you may find some relationship between these facts. > >-- >Rodger Donaldson rodgerd(a)diaspora.gen.nz --snip-- _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Traffic Shaping
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

Hello, Would anyone know how to rate Morpheus and IRC etc as low priority traffic and capped to 128k on a Cisco 2501 with IOS 11.1? Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Forum for Discussion
by Andrew Garrett 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

Refer to your .sig. At 03:37 PM 2/27/02 +1300, CamSpanker wrote: >You mean *web* forums? >I wasn't aware that anyone except internet newbies used them.. > >Food for thought. > >Cheers. > >James Tyson. > "Upgrade your grey matter, 'coz one day it may matter." > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Forum for Discussion
by Taylor Wilkins 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

Is there a suitable forum run in NZ to discuss NZ networking or networking in general? For gaming there is http://www.nzgames.com/forums/ , http://forums.gamer.net.nz/ and http://www.gpforums.co.nz/ If there is currently none would anyone wish to set one up? Cheers, Taylor - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Greater Government Control of Icann sought by Icann
by Mike Sutton [ awacs ] 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

BBC report this today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1841000/1841216.stm Full text of the ICANN CEO proposal can be found at: http://www.icann.org/general/lynn-reform-proposal-24feb02.htm and a diagram of the proposed new structure at: http://www.icannchannel.de/lynn-proposal.pdf Is this linked to the timing of Jim Higgins Opinion... http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1112116a1983,FF.html State Control of Icann State Control of NZ Domain Whose encouraging running this line... Cabinet ? What do you think Michael Sutton http://www.awacs.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Trapped in a glut of surplus bandwidt with no apparent way o ut
by Frank March 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

A further addition to the interesting debate we have been having on Internet 2/broadband. OT perhaps, and relating to the US/Canadian scene, but fascinating. This is taken from the CYBERTELECOM list. <sample quote> Demand will not skyrocket until the LEC controlled copper based local loop is by passed and either fiber or multi-megabit per second wireless reaches the vast majority of homes and businesses. </sample quote> Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Cook [SMTP:cook(a)COOKREPORT.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2002 11:14 > To: CYBERTELECOM-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Subject: Trapped in a glut of surplus bandwidt with no apparent way > out > > from pages 31 -33 of may 2002 cook report - published yesterday. > more detail at http://cookreport.com/11.02.shtml > > We find that we are trapped between the jaws of huge ununsed capacity > and content owners protection of intellectual property at any cost. > The politics and economics of our slavish obedience to the "free > market" is constricting the availability of bandwidth by placing > marketing and policy in the hands of those who expect pay-per-use > demand that lives in a walled garden to define and drive the > development of broadband services. > > Only about 5 or 6 percent of the long haul inter city fiber installed > has been lit or will be lit in the foreseeable future. Of the fiber > that is lit by 80 wavelength capable boxes only about 8% of what > these boxes are capable of is in use. Each incremental wavelength > used costs only a few thousand dollars per line card per a couple of > dozen boxes to install. Adding ten gigabits to a backbone is > relatively trivial and compared to the original cost of building and > lighting the incremental cost of doing so is very small. Currently > only about four to eight wavelengths per carrier are lit. > > Consider demand. Just as the demand for dark fiber IRUs has peaked > and fallen off, the demand for wavelengths may now be peaking. Until > the fiber owners start publishing verifiable numbers every quarter on > how many wavelengths they have "sold" via IRU and via lease there is > no credible way to judge changing trends in supply and demand. > > Now we can safely assume that with phone network use having peaked > there will be little in the way of additional demand there. Assuming > that data still doubles every year in North America, you may be able > to sell an aggregate of 20 to 25 new lambdas this year to handle > carrier data growth. But with fifteen American carriers and six > Canadian each with 80 wavelength capable systems you have an easily > provisioned supply of more than 1600 lambdas perhaps only 150 of > which are lit. The problem is that without complete disclosure from > each carrier there is no way of knowing exactly what capacity is > actually in use. > > Nevertheless our experts are all in agreement that used capacity is > only a tiny fraction of what's available. Whether the amount is 4 > percent or 12 percent, under current circumstances, makes little > difference. In short we likely have at least a five or six year > window with current growth before, with the addition of new lambdas, > we fill the capacity of the fibers that have been lit. Sales of dark > fiber IRUs have basically ended leaving long haul growth dependent on > lambdas sales. > > But who will buy? Prices are getting cheap enough for enterprise > networks to consider using lambdas. But right now even the largest > enterprise networks are mostly 155 megabits with a very few 2.5 > gigabit links here and there. Most enterprises don't have the means > of connecting 2.5 gigabits to a campus let along ten. This leaves > other carriers who have a fraction of the capital they once did and > whose need for new capacity has slackened. > > Bill St Arnaud put it this way: "However, even given a rapid growth > in data traffic, I think in the long haul it will be another 3 years > before we see any new fibers lit, another 10 years before new fibers > are blown in existing conduit and another and 15 years before new > conduit is trenched in the ground." The situation seems dire and will > determine the fate of many carriers. Policy makers and financial > markets are being called on to make judgments but neither policy > makers nor financial markets can see the carriers' resources. With > the small resources at our command, The COOK Report certainly cannot > do a definitive census of the carriers. But even if increased > resources could be brought to bear, it is unlikely that carriers > would admit to a highly embarrassing situation. > > We are stuck with a conundrum where until the debt is wiped off > carrier books or until demand skyrockets you have the entire industry > embedded in a continued downward spiral that results in more and more > bankruptcies. Demand will not skyrocket until the LEC controlled > copper based local loop is by passed and either fiber or > multi-megabit per second wireless reaches the vast majority of homes > and businesses. Even then the demand may still be too easily filled > by capacity on hand, until and unless the Canadians can make it > possible to extend a wavelength to every home and business. > > The technology has indeed overwhelmed the global infrastructure and > its installed economic base and rendered it not economically > sustainable. Canada looks to be following a strategy of enabling more > uses for bandwidth while the United States follows a course of > laissez faire in which the market knows best theory is freed to allow > the concentration of media and carriers to consolidate an > infrastructure duopoly where cable and DSL are the only officially > blessed avenues to broadband. The US policy seems likely to be one of > handing the market to huge and powerful old technology companies. The > funny thing is that if Googin is right those companies will fail. > > -- > ======================================================== > The COOK Report on Internet, 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA (609) > 882-2572 (phone & fax) cook(a)cookreport.com Subscription info & > prices at http://cookreport.com/subscriptions.shtml Summary of > content for 10 years at http://cookreport.com/past_issues.shtml > The Future of the Industry - Googin & > Odlyzko on telco viability - April issue available at > http://cookreport.com/11.01.shtml > ======================================================== Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. 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Re: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Richard Naylor 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

At 07:33 p.m. 26/02/2002 +1300, you wrote: >I'm sure this is a lot different for you as a primarily layer 2 provider, >whereas people like us have to provide all sorts of crazy services, like >MPLS VPN's, AVVID, etc over the circuits we provide to customers we have >to have a lot more intelligence closer to the edge of the network than >Citylink appears to be. >So, whilst I agree that its about architectures, it's also about services. >Some architectures are better than others for different things, but I >guess you knew that. yes - but I didn't want to get into that detail. Remember that in Wn we INSIST that a customer have a router at the edge. Its just that we make them buy it. THats because when we started (with $85K) routers were expensive and we avoided that outlay.. We still insist on routers and in AKL we provide them as a part of the connection. rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Traffic Shaping
by Denis Gordon 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

Sahil, If ICQ traffic uses fixed well known IP address and/or sockets then you can cap bandwidth with the "traffic-shape" IOS interface command. I don't know if this is the case or not. For example, here's how we cap SMTP traffic at 128K. First setup an extended access-list defining the IP addresses/sockets you want to cap. ! SMTP mail no access-list 125 access-list 125 permit tcp any any eq smtp access-list 125 permit tcp any eq smtp any The apply it to your interfaces - interface serial0 traffic-shape group 125 128000 interface ethernet0 traffic-shape group 125 128000 This will cap all SMTP at 128K in & out. regards Denis Gordon Network Administrator Information Systems Technical Support Dunedin City Council 50 The Octagon, PO Box 5045, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph: +64-3-474 3566 Fax: +64-3-474 3503 Mobile: 025 845 583 Email: denis(a)dcc.govt.nz WWW: http://www.CityOfDunedin.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Dean Pemberton [mailto:dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2002 10:24am To: Sahil Gupta - NET4U Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Traffic Shaping I didn't think a 2501 passed packets any faster than that anyway? Dean (Ok that was low. Really low. But I think this groups needs some humour at the moment, so I'm gonna let it slide) On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 09:02:25PM +0000, Sahil Gupta - NET4U wrote: > Hello, > Would anyone know how to rate Morpheus and IRC etc as low priority traffic > and capped to 128k on a Cisco 2501 with IOS 11.1? > > Regards, > > Sahil Gupta > NET4U Limited > > ------------------------------------ > NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz > Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL > Nationwide Internet Service Provider > ------------------------------------ > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Research Networks [was Re: Phew looks like we were lucky]
by Donald Neal 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

>>> "Stephen Donnelly" <sfd(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> 02/25/02 04:37 >>> >If your question Joe is 'what is the justification for internet2?', then I'd say >there seems to be at least two commonly cited ones. >One is the use in current large applications such as 'grid' computing, a la DTF. >Connecting super computer centres may consume a lot of bandwidth. Climate >models, particle physics results etc. >The other one is that the internet2 is supposed to spurr new application >development, showing what *can* be done with huge amounts of bandwidth when it's >available at low cost. One of the more PR friendly applications would probably >be the 'virtual teleconferencing' systems, where 3d models are transmitted along >with the video, allowing participants to be rendered in 3d at each end. (Enables >you to make direct eye contact, surprisingly important.) What that means is that a high-bandwidth network can be useful as a testbed for all sorts of stuff. That's an argument for building one if you actually have enough interest from research institutions, but suggests that they'd need to take a lead in calling for one. >So in short, the internet2 initiatives aren't so much about networking anymore, >as applications. On the other hand, the vBNS has native multi-cast, Abilene >supports IPv6, and CA-net3 is intended to be 'all optical'; they're developing >OBGP for instance. And if you want to understand how new technologies and new ideas fit together there's no substitute for experience. These are not issues which have directly to do with providing cheap bandwidth for less experimental customers, which is where this thread seems to have gone. Asking a serious question which may have some relevance to this list, is anyone in New Zealand doing any research at present which would use high-bandwidth links in either of these ways? - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Ewen McNeill 26 Feb '02

26 Feb '02

In message <5.1.0.14.0.20020226123309.026f07c0(a)pop3.attica.net.nz>, Mark Foster writes: >> From my point of view bandwidth is very cheap now. Of course this is >>coming from first connecting to the Internet when we were being charged >>around $600/MB ($0.60 per kilobyte) for (international) traffic. Now I'm >>paying, what, about $0.20 per megabyte (less in some instances) for >>international traffic. > >My problem with this is that you pay $0.20/meg for *traffic* regardless of >its target. I don't know what the case is with Jetstart, etc, as I've never used them (at least in a context where I was paying the bill). The "Paradise.Net model" I mentioned earlier charges 1/10th of the International charge for "local" (national, ie in New Zealand) traffic. This seems to work well for TSNZ, and it works well for me (as an end customer). Most other traffic-based pricing plans I've had over the last 10 years or so have had similar rules (including the ones that I implemented the software for way back when): cheaper rates for more local traffic. If Jetstart doesn't do that (ie charges national and international traffic at the same (high) rate), then yes, I agree, it's discouraging local use, and it's bad. International bandwidth is lots more expensive than national bandwidth (all that ocean all around) to the provider, so in a pass-the-costs-on model it should be more expensive to the consumer too. >Bandwidth has dropped in cost, but we download more, and faster, nowadays. I could easily get through "as much bandwidth as I can afford" way back then as I could now, if I tried. By no means is it perfect now. And yes, the charges in New Zealand are probably higher than charges overseas by pure exchange rates or whatever. But quite a number of providers overseas (eg, the US) appear to have been going out of business which is, umm, inconvenient for their customers, suggesting they're not entirely profitable charges there. Oh, and there's all that expensive-to-put-bandwidth-over ocean between New Zealand and pretty much anywhere else. That sort of adds to the cost, meaning direct comparisions aren't entirely appropriate. Ewen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Simon's SCC question
by Juha Saarinen 25 Feb '02

25 Feb '02

http://www.southerncrosscables.com/layup.htm -- not sure if it's accurate/up-to-date, but the roll-overs say that there are three fibre pairs, each with sixteen wavelengths with a 10Gbps bit rate, going to Australia and to Hawaii. 3*16*10=480Gbps, presumably. Wonder how much of this is in use though? -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Digital Divide in Alberta
by Joe Abley 25 Feb '02

25 Feb '02

The article's a little light on the details, but I thought the idea of a government initiative designed to supply broadband internet to a province of 3 million widely-distributed people might ring some bells for someone :) http://business.cisco.com/app/tree.taf?asset_id=83016 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Phew looks like we were lucky
by Frank March 24 Feb '02

24 Feb '02

I think the point is not to 'fill the pipes' but to explore the options that become available when bandwidth is not a restriction. Necessarily there is another condition: the bandwidth has to be essentially free. Empty pipes capably of handing bursty/intermittent/occasional traffic at very high transfer rates will allow for completely different long distance apps than we currently use. Think what Mr Gates has done to use up the abundant/free cpu cycles and RAM. Not always good/useful/desirable, but different from what we thought heavy use of computing was 30 years ago. Time was when a typewriter took no cpu cycles at all. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [SMTP:jabley(a)automagic.org] > Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 17:10 > To: Stephen Donnelly > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: Phew looks like we were lucky > > On Sunday, February 24, 2002, at 10:37 , Stephen Donnelly wrote: > > >If your question Joe is 'what is the justification for internet2?', > >then I'd say there seems to be at least two commonly cited ones. > > > >One is the use in current large applications such as 'grid' computing, > >a la DTF. Connecting super computer centres may consume a lot of > >bandwidth. Climate models, particle physics results etc. > > How much bandwidth is "a lot of bandwidth"? I see commercial providers > with multiple parallel STM-64s plumbed directly into routers either > sides of the Atlantic and the Pacific, who are struggling to attract > customers to even remotely fill the pipes. The situation in the metro > and long-haul intracontinental networks is even more fibre-rich. I don't > see a need to build another internet here -- I see a need to start using > the existing one :) > > >The other one is that the internet2 is supposed to spurr new > >application development, showing what *can* be done with huge amounts > >of bandwidth when it's available at low cost. One of the more PR > >friendly applications would probably be the 'virtual teleconferencing' > >systems, where 3d models are transmitted along with the video, allowing > >participants to be rendered in 3d at each end. (Enables you to make > >direct eye contact, surprisingly important.) > > This is the same answer as the one above, really -- "in order to obtain > more bandwidth". > Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Com Domain Names with False Details
by Craig Whitmore 23 Feb '02

23 Feb '02

Does anyone know what can be done about people registering .com Domain Names with False Details? Do the .com people have rules about this? Like: nzadsl.com whois: Registrant: Sludge Sludge.mistymountainhop.com Sludge, Sludge 666 SJ Domain Name: NZADSL.COM Administrative Contact: Snuffalufagus, Sludge Sludge(a)mistymountainhop.com Sludge.mistymountainhop.com Sludge, Sludge 666 SJ 1234567890 (The Details on mistymountainhop.com as the same) Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Reminder of contacts lists (NZ Noc and APE)
by Simon Lyall 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

Just a quick reminder (I keep forgetting to ask Donald to put this in his monthly mailout to the list). The New Zealand Network Operators' Contact list page has the [emergancy] contact details for most(1) New Zealand ISPs. It's online at: http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html Please email me with any corrections and updates. A web page for the Auckland Peering Exchange (APE) lists everybody (AFAIK) currently connected to it along with a contact for peering and other information. It is at: http://www.ape.net.nz/ Please email me with any corrections or updates, or fill out the web form. (1) Except Global Gateway / Netgate. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: maori.nz Request for Vote (RFV) annoucement
by David Farrar 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

Phonenet wrote: > Well that's a bit poor!! emails addresses should accept any valid character! > > >It's a bug in their PHP applet. Doesn't like email address with a hyphen > >in the host/domain part. I tried a few different address with hyphens, and > >the script choked on all. I'll check with our technical manager and see if a solution can be found. the vote is open for a couple of weeks. Thanks for finding the problem. DPF (Secretary, InternetNZ) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: maori.nz Request for Vote (RFV) annoucement
by PhoneNet 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

cc'd to the list... Well that's a bit poor!! emails addresses should accept any valid character! Thanks for the input! Ian At 14:21 23/02/02 +1300, you wrote: >On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, PhoneNet wrote: > >> Well it still won't work for me using cousins(a)cousins.in-newzealand.com and >> I get heaps of email at that address!! > >It's a bug in their PHP applet. Doesn't like email address with a hyphen >in the host/domain part. I tried a few different address with hyphens, and >the script choked on all. > >-- >Juha >Take off every sig! > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: maori.nz Request for Vote (RFV) annoucement
by David Farrar 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

Juha wrote: > On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Dean Pemberton wrote: > > > > > I'm totally in favour of this proposal. > > > > Imagine how it will add to the readability of the net in NZ if people > > wan have domain names like > > > > w?lc?m?.t?.m?ori.nz > > > > yeah it will be GREAT! > > > > Vote today! > > > > </tounge in cheek> > > And spelling checker up the arse? > > On a more serious note, will there be similar domains made available to > other ethnic groups in NZ? Otherwise it wouldn't be fair, would it? This is getting off topic and probably better on an InternetNZ list but I thought it was worth answering the specific question. The criteria that has been in place for new 2LDs is that they are for a distinct community of interest. So far only two communities of interest have applied in four years - bankers and the NZ Maori Internet Society (whoops actually there was an informal application from Cliff Pratt on behalf of all the Cliffs in NZ!). If other communities of interest apply there would be no barriers beyond the steps taken as part of the policy process which apply to all applications. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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More spam.
by Dean Pemberton 21 Feb '02

21 Feb '02

NZ has their very own spammers again. The funniest thing is that when I went to their website I get this Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/1.3.22 Server at topup.co.nz Port 80 NICE! =) ----- Forwarded message from "TOPUP.co.nz" <mailadmin(a)topup.co.nz> ----- Return-Path: <mailadmin(a)topup.co.nz> Delivered-To: dean(a)pure-guava.org.nz Received: (qmail 24101 invoked by uid 1004); 22 Feb 2002 05:45:46 -0000 Delivered-To: dean-fn-dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz Received: (qmail 24098 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 05:45:45 -0000 Received: from 203-167-144-184.dialup.clear.net.nz (HELO 203.167.144.184) (203.167.144.184) by wilbur.katipo.co.nz with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 05:45:45 -0000 From: "TOPUP.co.nz" <mailadmin(a)topup.co.nz> To: <dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz> Subject: TOPUP Online & Save! Sender: "TOPUP.co.nz" <mailadmin(a)topup.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:09:50 +1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GCMulti: 1 Lines: 34 Kia ora pre-pay phone users, You can now TOPUP your mobile for less! Just grab your credit card and visit our website today! http://www.topup.co.nz/ If you're a Telecom pre-pay user you get fantastic TOPUP prices... http://www.topup.co.nz/step1-2.php?company=t And if you're with Vodafone you get a FREE ringtone or logo too! http://www.topup.co.nz/step1-2.php?company=v TOPUP Online Today! Visit us at: http://www.topup.co.nz/ If you're not a pre-pay phone user maybe you know someone who is? Please forward this message to them today! _______________________________________________________________________ You have been sent this email because either you or someone you know gave this email address to TOPUP's creators. Our e-mails aim to inform not offend - if you would prefer not to receive them please visit the link below: http://www.topup.co.nz/process_optout.php?email=dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz _______________________________________________________________________ ----- End forwarded message ----- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Updated peering prefix list for Ihug AS7657
by Leon Chang 18 Feb '02

18 Feb '02

Hi ppl, We have a tidyed up prefix-list available, can you please update your end. Thanks, ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 5 permit 202.36.94.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 10 permit 202.37.129.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 15 permit 202.37.136.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 20 permit 202.37.182.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 22 permit 202.37.187.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 25 permit 202.37.194.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 30 permit 202.49.59.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 35 permit 202.49.88.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 40 permit 202.49.148.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 45 permit 202.49.176.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 50 permit 202.49.180.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 55 permit 202.49.186.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 60 permit 202.49.240.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 65 permit 202.49.249.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 70 permit 202.49.252.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 75 permit 202.50.84.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 80 permit 202.50.103.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 85 permit 202.50.255.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 90 permit 203.109.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 95 permit 203.173.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 100 permit 210.55.184.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 105 permit 210.55.203.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 110 permit 210.55.248.0/21 le 24 Leon Chang, CCNP, CCDP Senior Network Engineer The Internet Group Ltd. (IHUG), Auckland, New Zealand AS7657 PH: +64 9 359 2710 --------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco 2503 RAM
by Sahil Gupta 17 Feb '02

17 Feb '02

Hello there, Just wondering if a Cisco 2503 Router can accept Generic RAM? Or if anybody has 16Meg Flash? 16 Meg DRAM they feel like getting rid of? Cheers, Sahil

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