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FW: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight
by David Farrar 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Couldn't resist sharing this one with those likely to be familiar with RFC 1149. Most amusing part of the news story is when the pigeon hit a window so someone commented "Windows causing problems again" :-) DPF >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:24:30 -0800 >To: jwarren(a)well.com, farber(a)cis.upenn.edu, declan(a)well.com >From: Ron Avitzur <avitzur(a)pacifict.com> >Subject: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > >Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5825807.html > >>One of the Internet's most obscure technologies came to life last >>weekend: transmitting network information by carrier pigeon. >> >>In 1990, David Waitzman wrote RFC 1149, a tongue-in-cheek standard >>for using pigeons to transfer information using the Internet >>Protocol (IP). On Saturday, a group of Linux enthusiasts in Bergen, >>Norway, succeeded in exchanging some data using the Carrier Pigeon >>Internet Protocol (CPIP). For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IP Net Broken
by John Lynch 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

I case anyone was wondering Telecoms Radius server has exploded, taking out 80% of ipnet they working on it at the moment, oh took me ages to track down the right people, there help desk number is 0800 808126. John Lynch System Administrator (string and tape specialist) Wise Net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Hi All, I seem to recall some discussion a while back about the current state of orbz and also in relation to Xtra, but I can't locate it since the archives are not searchable. (At least not the ones I found) Is anybody here using any kind of automatic spam blacklisting system like orbz with success ? By success I mean that apart from being reliable, that it cuts down a worthwhile amount of spam but without blocking legitimate stuff. I know Xtra was blacklisted for quite some time, was that ever resolved ? Am I just asking for problems even just thinking about something like this ? Comments ? Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

At 04:16 PM 3/12/01 +1300, pete clare wrote: >> Well, ORBS closed down as far as I know, and now there is ORBZ, I don't >> know the relation between the two.... > >for what it's worth someone on a list said they had luck with >http://www.ordb.org For completeness, here is the URL for orbz http://www.orbz.org/ As pointed out by others there isnt any relation between ORBS and ORBZ. (or ORDB either probably - now we're getting confusing :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Article on Slashdot, quick comments
by Chris Wedgwood 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

As seen on the worlds greatest 'Stupidity Amplifier'; slashdot: http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/11/08/0237233.shtml ikekrull asks: "After looking to see how I could set up my company's LAN to be multi-homed? , I found that it would be next-to-impossible for me to do this. 'Providerless' IP addresses are no longer allocated to anybody in this part of the world (New Zealand) by APNIC? , unless you meet requirements (financial and political) that are pretty much unmeetable by anyone but a large ISP. Does this put control of the entire internet further and further into the hands of large corporate players, and and is anyone particularly interested in changing this situation?" [...] Since this was posted by someone in New Zealand is comments on APNIC directly (of which there are employees on this list) I should point out: It is my belief, based on experience in doing just this and from dealing with APNIC for several years, that being a small ISP or network user does NOT necessarily mean you are 'shut out' in any shape or form whatsoever; you can in-fact have one or both carriers take your case(s) for multi-homing to APNIC and potentially have them allocate a /24 (or whatever is appropriate) --- this address space would not be part of the carriers CIDR block and need not give the carrier leverage over your company or network as the address space can be delegate to the end-user not the carrier. I have done this before (after discussing this with people from APNIC and conforming that this was indeed a legitimate situation), is there any reason to believe that this situation has changed radically? --cw P.S. Thinking an email address like blortnospam(a)foo.com obscures your email address is bogus and just plain annoying; please don't do it people, many email address acquiring 'bots know of such patterns and will correct for them anyhow. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Citylink FTP & AONL
by Ben Martel 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

FYI, There is also a mirror of ftp.debian.org here: ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/mirror/ftp.debian.org/ ~benm > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 9:28 a.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: Citylink FTP & AONL > > > It shouldn't be getting filtered at APE, but we did ask AOL to stick a > block on for whatever they defined as international traffic (which I > suspect included most Global Gateway customers, due to peering > difficulties at the time). The 5 figure monthly bills for > international > data to a public-good service for the NZ net community was > just getting > a bit more than we could bear... > > It'll be fixed when icafe go onto WIX, but in the meantime if > you could > send through a full traceroute of the path you take to 210.48.103.6, > I'll check it out. Leaning on your upstream provider to join WIX is > worthwhile as well. > > Cheers > Si > > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 11:40:37PM +1300, James Spooner said: > > > > > > > > icafe:~# host ftp.nz.debian.org > > ftp.nz.debian.org CNAME ftp.citylink.co.nz > > ftp.citylink.co.nz A 210.48.103.6 > > > > > > 23:36:27.802471 icafe.44069 > > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz.ftp: S 2511414778:2511414778(0) > win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 466231697[|tcp]> (DF) > > 23:36:27.816580 asiaonlinenz.ape.net.nz > icafe: icmp: host > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz unreachable - admin prohibited filter > > > > ftp.citylink.co.nz seems to be pointing at one of AONL's > IPs, which seems > > to be filtered on port 21 at APE. > > > > Could the relevant network admins clarify please? > > > > Regards > > > > James Spooner > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > James Spooner WAND Group - > University of Waikato NZ > > Networks Lab - G.1.03 WWW: > http://wand.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jbs3 > > Phone: +64 7 8384466 extn 6728 Email: > jbs3(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz > > Mobile: +64 21 447 638 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to > majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Asia Online prefix-list update
by David Fox 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

All those who peer with Asia Online can you please remove 202.50.16.0/21 The current prefix-list is: ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 le 18 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.36.76.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 210.54.0.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 138.235.0.0/16 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 203.9.179.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 203.9.180.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 210.185.16.0/20 le 21 Thanks and Regards David Fox - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Citylink FTP & AONL
by James Spooner 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

icafe:~# host ftp.nz.debian.org ftp.nz.debian.org CNAME ftp.citylink.co.nz ftp.citylink.co.nz A 210.48.103.6 23:36:27.802471 icafe.44069 > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz.ftp: S 2511414778:2511414778(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 466231697[|tcp]> (DF) 23:36:27.816580 asiaonlinenz.ape.net.nz > icafe: icmp: host ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz unreachable - admin prohibited filter ftp.citylink.co.nz seems to be pointing at one of AONL's IPs, which seems to be filtered on port 21 at APE. Could the relevant network admins clarify please? Regards James Spooner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Spooner WAND Group - University of Waikato NZ Networks Lab - G.1.03 WWW: http://wand.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jbs3 Phone: +64 7 8384466 extn 6728 Email: jbs3(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Mobile: +64 21 447 638 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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beer?
by Dean Pemberton 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

It's in the AUB so I'm allowed to talk about it. I'm in Auckland this week so anyone want to get together for a drink? I know that the nznog xmassy thing is on Wednesday but thats like all of 3 days away. Drop an email if you are keen. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Microsoft taking password security a little too seriously.
by Matt Camp 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q276/3/04.ASP --- Matt Camp - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ prefix usage
by David Miller 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Further to the recent discussions on prefix portability, I thought the list would be interested in this survey conducted by CAIDA, one of our research partners in the US: http://www.caida.org/analysis/geopolitical/bgp2country/ -- David Miller, BCMS (Hons) Dept. Computer Science, Waikato University, NEW ZEALAND. Mobile: +64-21-704-djm Email my mobile phone (free): Fax: +64-21-304-djm http://www.mtnsms.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet BGP Filters Update
by Craig Whitmore 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi.... Can everyone who is peering with Orcon Internet Please update your BGP lists/filters to allow the additional networks: AS: 17746 IP: 192.203.154.66 and 192.203.154.67 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.50.124.0/22 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.90.0/24 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.91.0/24 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.92.0/22 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.244.0/22 Thanks Craig Whitmore Systems Administrator Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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provider independant IP allocations
by Drew Whittle 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

A client of ours has a provider independant assignment in the 203.0.0.0 to 203.63.255.255 range. I know that this was originally an allocated block to AUNIC in Australia, but with the switch back to APNIC the client now wants to know if they can use them here in New Zealand? I haven't managed to work out what is routable here in New Zealand and what isn't, anyone able to provider further information? (Yes I know that just because it is provider independant doesn't mean that upstream providers will route it) Thanks, Drew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: nznog archives
by Chris Wedgwood 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:33:52AM +1300, Lindsay Druett wrote: Unedited and fully intact ? Yes, unless I decide to mess with them --- perhaps blur evidence of my horrendous spelling and poor grammar :) --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: provider independant IP allocations
by cfb 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Juha Saarinen wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > > > Ironically NZ is probably cheaper than the US for bandwidth now (for > > home users and small businesses certainly). And by and large the > > quality of service is no worse. > > :::BOGGLE::: What? How? Eh? When did this happen? Hang on... oh... you > mean to a select few, Not even... last time I priced provider bandwidth, it was on par with Japan, which is the most has the most expensive bandwidth of those countries who's telcos aren't "state owned/run". Things may have changed significantly with the landing of the southern cross cable, but I doubt it. I have been seeing some *really* odd routing using the visual traceroute utility going through NZ... I pray to god that some of the apparent pathing is due to stale DNS LOC records and/or a dated APNIC allocation db (I suppose it *might* be due to economics), cause what I've been seeing is completely whacky. > and not to the great unwashed Internet users, who > are still paying through every possible orifice for a basic broadband > service sans SLAs. Even Japan has tossed per-miniute billing for internet use and *nobody* of any significance does usage based billing (well, maybe parts of Europe and Ireland). The most recent curious thing to pop up (in Japan) is flat-rate 64kbps wireless access (and the kicker is that compaq flash is the primary form factor for access devices). I cringe whenever I see somebody downunder writing about international IP traffic settlement fees. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nznog archives
by Chris Wedgwood 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

I have (somewhere or other) nznog archives for the last two or three years (I dunno, a while anyhow). It occurred to me people might want these for easy reference or whatever; if so, let me know and I'll sort something out... (probably just email them to you as I'm lazy). --cw P.S. I also have isoncnz, linux-kernel, zebra, nanog and various other lists archives away on various disks spread across various hemispheres. If there is enough interested I will resurrect these and perhaps make them available. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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News from IDG
by Juha Saarinen 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

In case you haven't seen it already... http://makeashorterlink.com/?M3FD10F2 -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: News from IDG
by Donald Neal 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

>>> "Te Aroha" <tearoha(a)maxnet.co.nz> 11/27/01 10:18 >>> >Regardless I think it could set an Ugly precendent if he succeeds in what he >wants. Archives are Archives. Perhaps he is secretly enjoying the notoriety. Or not very secretly. How about we all treat this as an individual seeking notoriety and not consume yet more bandwith with it? I undertake to advise the list if I hear from the Office of the Privacy Commissioner. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Autoresponders
by Michael Hallager 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Could lake(a)clear.co.nz and baptista(a)pccf.net fix their issues. It is annoying posting to a list to get peoples autoreponders. Michael Hallager

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Co-Location wanted. (Southland)
by Michael Hallager 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi all, I am seeking co-location and/or a frame relay link in the invecargill area. If am after a reasonable price or may be prepared to swap for co-location in the Auckland area. Please email me offlist with your phone number and area code. Last of all, I am only interested in hearing from people that can techspeak. michael(a)vivid.net.nz Michael Hallager

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No guarantees over JetStream fixes
by Craig Whitmore 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Something more from Telecom about Jetstream Fixes http://www.idg.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/771A7624F65F5A2CCC256B0B00144ED4!opend ocument Thanks Craig Whitmore http://www.nzdsl.co.nz New Zealand DSL Information - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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VPN 5001 For Sale
by Thomas Salmen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

If anyone is interested in purchasing a VPN 5001 Concentrator, I have one for sale. Please contact me off-list. -- Regards, Thomas Salmen System Administrator Radionet Ltd. 72 Paul Matthews Road Albany, Auckland, New Zealand Ph: +64 9 4140 300 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by Juha Saarinen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Apologies again for the wrapped output, but would I be right in thinking that there's a problem between hop 5 and 6 in the below mtr trace to www.telecom.co.nz? Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst 1. 210.48.100.1 0% 27 27 1 1 2 5 2. s0.ts9.ak.nz.asiaonline.net 0% 27 27 12 12 14 37 3. f0-0.core2.ak.nz.asiaonline.net 0% 27 27 11 11 14 32 4. netgate.ape.net.nz 0% 26 26 41 11 17 49 5. bis-dom.akcr5.netgate.net.nz 0% 26 26 12 12 18 58 6. 210.48.100.1 100% 0 26 0 0 0 0 7. 146.171.18.242 0% 26 26 18 14 20 68 -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by David Fox 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Rather than post to a public forum, I suggest logging a problem with the Help Desk may result in speedier investigation/resolution. :) Thanks David Fox Network Engineer Internet Corporate Solutions trading as Asia Online -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 09:43 To: J S Russell Cc: NZNOG Subject: Re: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing... On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Oh well... guess Telecom's Web was designed to load at ~5 minutes per page > then. ^ site -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by Juha Saarinen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

No, don't worry about it David... I was just trying to satisfy my own curiosity here, not report a problem. On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, David Fox wrote: > Rather than post to a public forum, I suggest logging a problem with the > Help Desk may result in speedier investigation/resolution. :) > > Thanks David Fox > Network Engineer > Internet Corporate Solutions trading as Asia Online -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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