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Re: Access to smtp Telecom CDMA phones
by Donald Neal 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

>>> "Simon Lyall" <simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz> 11/05/01 01:05 >>> [...] >The CDMA guys do not run a smtp server themselves and are not planning to >in future. Well, there is the system used to send Short Message Service messages out as SMTP. Donald Neal Minion Evil Empire -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Internet Industry Forum (ISP Forum)
by Peter Mott 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

> InternetNZ's major conference for the year will be held on Nov 29 > and 30 at the Ellerslie Novotel, Auckland. The Forum will focus on > the changes to the legislative environment in NZ, Industry Self- > regulation, and possible impacts post-September 11. > > You are cordially invited to attend - full details and link to online > registration can be found via the What's Hot link or direct at: > http://www.internetnz.net.nz/Internet-Industry- > Forum_Agenda011105.html > > Forum costs: InternetNZ members NZ$100 (GST inc) > Non-members > NZ$160 (GST inc) Lets all make InternetNZ's day - don't show up. -PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A Edison - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Access to smtp Telecom CDMA phones
by Simon Lyall 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

I've got a guy from Telecom asking us to give access to our smtp servers (outgoing email) for our customers who are using in via CDMA phones to access the Internet. Just wondering how everybody else is doing this? Are you allowing the whole ip range to access your smtp servers, running smtp auth or something else? I'm inclined to just insist on smtp auth but I'm not sure some of the lower end clients that might be on the CDMA devices will support it. The CDMA guys do not run a smtp server themselves and are not planning to in future. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Rack slides
by Tim John 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

No problem. Sorry I didn't reply to the list ... full thread below:- Tim :-----Original Message----- :From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gordons(a)morenet.net.nz] :Sent: Monday, 5 November 2001 10:28 :To: Tim John :Subject: RE: Rack slides : : :Cheers Tim, : :I'll give them a shout : :Regards, :Gordon : : :> -----Original Message----- :> From: Tim John [mailto:tim.john(a)domainz.net.nz] :> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2001 09:51 :> To: 'gordons(a)morenet.net.nz' :> Subject: RE: Rack slides :> :> :> Gordon, :> :> I've purchased a rack and some bits and pieces from :Enclosure Technology :> Limited. Contact name is Dave Booth - 09 476 9162. They are based in :> Mairangi Bay. :> :> Hope this help. :> :> Regards, :> :> Tim :> :> :> :-----Original Message----- :> :From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gordons(a)morenet.net.nz] :> :Sent: Monday, 5 November 2001 09:23 :> :To: Nznog :> :Subject: Rack slides :> : :> : :> :Hi all, :> : :> :Can anyone recommend a source of rackmount kits, pref in Auck? :> :I'm looking :> :for something similar to the General Devices kits (if you're already :> :familiar with those...) :> : :> :To fit full-depth racks. :> : :> :Cheers, :> : :> :Gordon Smith :> :Network Operations Manager :> : :> :MoreNet Ltd. :> : :> :Fingerprint: 4093 91BC 0055 46B9 1B1A EDBA 45AD 2381 7B1D E4BE :> : :> : :> :- :> :To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to :majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz :> :where the body of your message reads: :> :unsubscribe nznog :> : :> : - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Rack slides
by Gordon Smith 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

Hi all, Can anyone recommend a source of rackmount kits, pref in Auck? I'm looking for something similar to the General Devices kits (if you're already familiar with those...) To fit full-depth racks. Cheers, Gordon Smith Network Operations Manager MoreNet Ltd. Fingerprint: 4093 91BC 0055 46B9 1B1A EDBA 45AD 2381 7B1D E4BE - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco Router
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

Hello there, I would like to purchase a Cisco 2501 or a Cisco 2503 Router. Please let me know if anybody has one that is available for sale. Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Apologies
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

to the nog for suggesting the Qe Wbr Oncgvfgn prize for truly idiotic postings would generate more drivel. I have already have a couple of nominations for various prizes. (Cisco ask permission - in your dreams.....) -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Telstra Saturn Routing
by Tony Wicks 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Hi all, this is a network head's up. We have just cutover all domestic peering from our legacy network ( as4763 ) to our new network ( as7714 ). So if anyone notices any really funky routing happening, let me know. Cheers Tony Wicks Senior Network Engineer TelstraSaturn - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has just over 300 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities The NZNOG Christmas Socials are scheduled for Wednesday 5th December at Cisco, L25 ASB Tower, 135 Albert Street, Auckland and Tuesday 18th December at Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter Street, Wellington. RSVP to Roger De Salis, rdesalis(a)cisco.com. The list administrator may soon start seeking to twist arms with a view to running some sort of gathering in the middle of next year. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Drinks & meetings
by David Farrar 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

> Anyone know what happening to the drinkie that was being talked about a > few weeks ago? Did the main sponsor pull out? > > Looks like Internetnz (isocnz) are supposed to be having some sort of > meeting at the end of the month in akl for ISPs, anyone know anything > about this? I can't find anything on their web site. The dates are 29 and 30 November for the Internet Industry Forum and a programme and registration form will be going up any day or even any hour. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Donald Neal 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

People, This thread is looking more than a little irrelevant to the purpose of the list. Enough, please. - Donald Neal List Administrator/Muggins - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Michael Bordignon 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

hmm - its interesting your "barrister" has the email 'info(a)humanrights.com.au' - on their website it states: - If you get an address @humanrights.com.au now you will also receive an address at the new global namespace @humanrights. No com.au. No simplistic org, net, or com ending at all. More information... Send an email with the desired name-- you, your group, your issue-- to info(a)humanrights.com.au - right.. i dont think so joe (hey it rhymed) > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [mailto:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 1:16 PM > To: Roger De Salis > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; > browns(a)cisco.com; !Dr. Robert Riley; ccenicer(a)cisco.com; > investor-relations(a)cisco.com; Len Lindon > Subject: Re: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > As a Cisco investor I'm a bit surprised that you a Cisco > employee would so > flagrantly use my name and personality to sell attendance at some > Christmas social without my permission. I have therefore taken this > opportunity to cc this reply and the original communication > from Cisco to > my barrister Mr. Len Lindon. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" RSVP to: moi Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St Who: As above RSVP to: moi The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement Feature of 2001". No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) R -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Frank March 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

It seems we may have a candidate for at least one of the awards.. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [SMTP:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 13:16 > To: Roger De Salis > Cc: ; frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com; !Dr. Robert Riley; > ccenicer(a)cisco.com; investor-relations(a)cisco.com; Len Lindon > Subject: Re: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Roger De Salis wrote: > > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards > > such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening > > post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer > > Enragement Feature of 2001". > > It seems I've made something of an impression here. Always nice to > know. However - you must change the awards name. I have not given > permission for my name to be used in any way with any award to you or to > Cisco Technologies. > > Now if you or Cisco Technologies wish to submit a proposal on the use of > my name I will consider it. However - at this time I want you to make it > clear to the group that I have nothing to do with this award and you are > order to immediately cease any and all usage of my name in association > with this project. > <..etc> Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Allister Clarke 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

What about people that only know a few commands from the IOS? ;-) Or is this only for people with the mininum of a CCNA? :-) I will be a CCNA very soon ... Allister. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Stephen(a)nzpost.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:50 p.m. To: 'Roger De Salis' Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social Does that mean that us lazy buggers who just type "sh int" are not welcome? How about "ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 null0"?[1] [1] Pardon me if I got it wrong - it's been a long time ;) Klop, -- Andrew J. Stephen Phone +64 4 496 4484 Team Leader, Network Operations Mobile +64 25 582 304 New Zealand Post Fax +64 4 496 4914 "Certainly, Windows XP is no Calista Flockhart. XP has so much pomp and circumstance that it's front-end weighs more than that of the cast of Baywatch." -- JonnyGURU, http://www.systemlogic.net/agurusworld/19/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger De Salis [mailto:rdesalis(a)cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:29 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com > Subject: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" > RSVP to: moi > > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such > things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post > of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement > Feature of 2001". > > No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as > prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) > > R > -- > \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com > </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 > /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 > (/ Wellington, New Zealand > roger(a)desalis.gen.nz > ` > In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value > for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Stephen Andrew 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Does that mean that us lazy buggers who just type "sh int" are not welcome? How about "ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 null0"?[1] [1] Pardon me if I got it wrong - it's been a long time ;) Klop, -- Andrew J. Stephen Phone +64 4 496 4484 Team Leader, Network Operations Mobile +64 25 582 304 New Zealand Post Fax +64 4 496 4914 "Certainly, Windows XP is no Calista Flockhart. XP has so much pomp and circumstance that it's front-end weighs more than that of the cast of Baywatch." -- JonnyGURU, http://www.systemlogic.net/agurusworld/19/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger De Salis [mailto:rdesalis(a)cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 12:29 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Cc: frances.hey(a)paradise.net.nz; browns(a)cisco.com > Subject: Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social > > > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" > RSVP to: moi > > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi > > The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards > such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening > post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer > Enragement Feature of 2001". > > No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as > prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) > > R > -- > \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com > </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 > /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 > (/ Wellington, New Zealand > roger(a)desalis.gen.nz > ` > In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value > for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark Your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Christmas Social
by Roger De Salis 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St Who: Anyone who has typed "sho int" RSVP to: moi Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St Who: As above RSVP to: moi The RSVP is an opportunity to suggest a couple of small awards such things as "The Doctor Joe Baptista Award for least enlightening post of 2001", and the "Sid Jones award for Cisco CEF - Customer Enragement Feature of 2001". No promises, but I'm trying to get a couple of Cisco phones as prizes.... (but now I've said it, so I better show up with them....) R -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Drinks & meetings
by Simon Lyall 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Anyone know what happening to the drinkie that was being talked about a few weeks ago? Did the main sponsor pull out? Looks like Internetnz (isocnz) are supposed to be having some sort of meeting at the end of the month in akl for ISPs, anyone know anything about this? I can't find anything on their web site. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Extreme Electrical Failure...
by Dylan Reeve 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

...is what happened to ihug's Starnet/Satnet/Ultra gear the last time (I remember) lightning hitting the sky tower. There were also photos of the strike. Last night I saw 6 lightning strikes on the tower (including a REALLY big one) over about 30 minutes, but I haven't heard of anything being fried. And there don't seem to be any photos. Anyone know of any damage this time or have any photographic evidence of the strikes? (This is my not-quite-so-off-topic way of saying "anyone seen any photos or heard of anything melting?") -- Dylan Reeve - dylan(a)wibble.net It's just not cricket. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Greg Clare 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Is it really necessary to post a web link, as well as pasting the entire text contained on the linked page into the message? Please just post the link in future. Regards Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [mailto:baptista(a)pccf.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2001 10:57 am > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS > > http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm > Rest of original message <snipped> for sanity! --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Donald Neal 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

>>> "Andy Gardner" <andy(a)navigator.co.nz> 10/31/01 04:38 >>> >Oh, and if the list manager could make the first line of the nznog sig to >be two hyphens follwed by a space, you might find most email clients will >not include the sig in quotes anymore. Fair enough. - Donald Neal List Administrator - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Anyone know whats happened to LLoyd Gallagher
by Mark Derricutt 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Can't say I did, was there some 'net' related scandel mentioned? --On Wednesday, 31 October 2001 8:39 a.m. +1300 Lindsay Druett <lindsayd(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > He might go even further back (try the 10-15 years or so), some of us have > very long memories. > BTW. Did anyone watch Scandals on TV2 last night ? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by Peter Mott 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

At 31/10/2001 11:56, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no > fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth > censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned > SafeSurf, the online safety organization. AB hasn't found a new job has he? :-) - PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A. Edison --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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vixies vixens strick again - MAPS / RBS
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm SafeSurf Press Release 1304 Newbury Road, Unit E, Newbury Park, CA 91320 E-mail: safesurf(a)safesurf.com * Web Site: http://www.safesurf.com/ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 25, 2001 Contact : Ray Soular Press Phone : (818) 613-1415 SafeSurf Warns of Stealth Censorship Los Angeles, CA - Thousands of family friendly Web sites, for no fault of their own, are being rendered inaccessible by "stealth censorship" and it may be putting people's lives at risk, warned SafeSurf, the online safety organization. This new type of censorship, promoted by a California corporation called Mail Abuse Prevention System, LLC (MAPS), silences every Web site whose address is located on a server that also happens to host one or two unrelated email marketing sites. However, since the browser message displayed says that the Web sites are non-existent, online surfers have no idea they are being denied access to many parts of the Internet. "This is stealth censorship*", remarked SafeSurf Chairman Ray Soular as he described how Web site owners have no rights under this system. "Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS) publicizes its Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) as being only of certified email abusers (spammers). It provides this list to Internet Service Providers (ISP) who rely on its accuracy when shutting out these spammers. In reality, MAPS' practice of listing entire groups of IP numbers, instead of the specific addresses of the spammers, is causing ISPs to shut off access to sites that have done no wrong other than they have similar IP numbers to the spammers. Its like shutting off phone service to thousands of people simply because they have the same prefix as an obscene caller," explained Soular. "To make matters worse, MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated," Soular reasoned. Teleglobe, a global Internet provider who subscribes to the MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL), was blocking SafeSurf in many countries, simply because SafeSurf's Web site was on a public server owned by an hosting company once accused of providing services to email marketers. (News Flash Oct 29, 2001: MAPS removed SafeSurf from its Blackhole list and Teleglobe removed blocking.) "Under their system, an unsuspecting Web site can become a RBL hostage at any time, for any reason, and without appeal. Unless the owner of the server meets MAPS demands, the innocent hostage site will be left to rot in the 'Blackhole'," pointed out Soular. "This is the worst manifestation of censorship imaginable because it is applied in a way which fools Web surfers into thinking they still have their freedom", said Soular. ### _______________________________________________________________ Below is the text of SafeSurf's Open Letter to the Internet Community concerning MAPS' Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) that targets general IP groups instead of specific IP addresses. SafeSurf was recently alerted that we were marked for blocking, for no fault of our own, by Mail Abuse Prevention System's Realtime Blackhole List (RBL). SafeSurf has never sent out a single piece of junk email in the life of our company. Parents and Webmasters depend upon communication from SafeSurf to enable them to protect children on the Internet. As a result, by blocking SafeSurf, MAPS is endangering millions of children across the globe. MAPS' RBL blocking is censorship in its worst manifestation. It is a extremist system that seeks to censor people simply because they happen to be with the same ISP that has a particular individual that MAPS does not like. Their tactics would be similar to someone using a nuclear weapon to wipe out a cockroach. Although they may contact the ISP, MAPS makes no effort, whatsoever, to warn the people actually being censored. The innocent Web Sites have to depend on others to discover that their right to free speech has been desecrated. MAPS actions demonstrate what SafeSurf has long suspected; true censorship arises for the purpose of advancing the agenda of a particular group of individuals. Censorship is a broad brush that drips paint on the pure, as well as the tainted. MAPS may claim that their actions are in the interest of good, but in reality they would easily trade in the good of children to achieve their goal. They have more than proved this point by holding the SafeSurf Web Site hostage until they force the acquiescence of others. MAPS has no idea of what content it may be blocking. Therefore, they could negligently block sites that contain important life saving medical information, sites that protect children, and sites that output emergency info during tornado watches, fire and flood alerts. Imagine trying to connect to a crisis assistance site after a devastating earthquake, only to find its among a vast IP group being blocked by RBL. People can die as the result of their blind imprecision. They MUST be regulated. We hate spam as much as anyone else. SafeSurf receives hundreds of spam emails every day. However, we cherish our civil liberties too much to ever trade them to the careless people who are running MAPS. We have tried to reason with MAPS, but they refuse to offer affected Web sites a case-by-case appeal process. They seem to not care about fairness. They are blinded by the smell of spammer's blood and do not seem to care how many innocent Web sites they trounce in the process. Then, they rationalize and try to put the blame for their wanton actions on everyone else. This issue is completely different from the debate over porn filtering, because in that debate, at least it was agreed that the sites we were discussing were responsible for their acts. In this case, MAPS employs an underhanded tactic of targeting the innocent in order to persuade the guilty. We must insist that MAPS operate in a responsible manner. A just cause is no excuse for unjust actions. By accepting MAPS, we are, in effect, agreeing to full censorship of anyone, for any reason. This is beyond the worst-case scenarios we could've imagined coming from governments. MAPS may be on a crusade to rid the Internet of spam, but this should not give them the authority to deny freedoms to the blameless. It should not give them the power to shroud someone's brilliance simply because it happens to be on a MAPS targeted ISP. It should not give them the right to make a mockery of the pillars upon which America was built. I feel sorry for all the subscribers to Teleglobe, which trusts MAPS' RBL list. They have traded access to the truth in exchange for a cleaner mailbox. The really sad part is they don't even know it. We must raise our voices to warn the online world of stealth censorship. For in the end, we will either loudly hold on to our liberty or it will become clear that we gave up our rights by our silence. Sincerely, Ray Soular, Chairman SafeSurf * The term, stealth blocking, was first used by Bennett Haselton in "The Coalition Statement Against Stealth Blocking" to be found at http://www.peacefire.org/. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone know whats happened to LLoyd Gallagher
by Craig Whitmore 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Hi there.. Does anyone know what happened to startrek.org.nz (and all the domains he hosts off it) and Lloyd who looks after it.. it seems to have vanished off the face. The routing goes no where also. The contact number for him doesn't seem to exist any more :-( inetnum: 202.49.250.0 - 202.49.250.255 netname: MAXWARP-NZ descr: Maximum Warp country: NZ admin-c: GG4-NZ tech-c: GG4-NZ notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ notify: nch(a)ihug.co.nz changed: steved(a)waikato.ac.nz 961122 source: APNIC person: Lloyd Gallagher address: 216 Great South Road address: Ohaupo phone: +64 7 823 6463 e-mail: lloyd(a)startrek.org.nz nic-hdl: GG4-NZ notify: NIC(a)WAIKATO.AC.NZ notify: lloyd(a)startrek.org.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NULL changed: hostmaster(a)apnic.net 19990121 source: APNIC Thanks Craig Whitmore

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