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Maybe this is off-topic... maybe not...
by Juha Saarinen 10 May '01

10 May '01

... but are there problems with Asia Online again? Can't get to the Hirrold's site: # traceroute 203.99.65.227 traceroute to 203.99.65.227 (203.99.65.227), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 router (192.168.1.254) 2.750 ms 1.192 ms 1.507 ms 2 203-79-82-254.adsl-wns.paradise.net.nz (203.79.82.254) 18.281 ms 14.204 ms 16.725 ms 3 192.168.253.225 (192.168.253.225) 16.452 ms 18.624 ms 19.962 ms 4 kelly.ipnet2.paradise.net.nz (203.96.155.158) 21.254 ms 19.058 ms 20.029 ms 5 fe7-0-1.bertha.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.254) 19.570 ms 17.970 ms 19.780 ms 6 iconz1.wix.net.nz (202.7.1.1) 23.588 ms 22.142 ms 23.435 ms 7 f0-0.core1.wn.nz.asiaonline.net (210.48.3.244) 23.251 ms 21.369 ms 19.085 ms 8 f2-0.core2.ak.nz.asiaonline.net (210.48.12.1) 35.686 ms 34.319 ms 31.018 ms 9 f0-0.core3.ak.nz.asiaonline.net (202.14.100.220) 37.003 ms 64.375 ms 40.895 ms 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * f0-0.core3.ak.nz.asiaonline.net (202.14.100.220) 38.050 ms !X 14 * * * 15 * And my ssh sessions with IDG freeze and die. Some hosts (on Clear and Above.net) have no problems reaching AOL, but others (Paradise, TSNZ) can't get to AOL. -- Juha The malformed orange Fails to satisfy the eye: Segmentation fault. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Complex DNS problem
by Ewen McNeill 09 May '01

09 May '01

In message <3AFAC212.31837.13D86B0(a)localhost>, "Gavin" writes: >We now have a .com name and wish to redirect accesses to this domain name >back to our .nz address, and to do this we have to register our nameserver(s) >with the Internic. NSI used to have forms for doing this (registering the nameservers names against a particular IP address), which you could download and submit. IIRC there was no chargge. But it did take a week or two to process. Once done you can use your .co.nz (etc) nameserver names that you've registered in your .com zone files, delegation recorsd, etc. If you don't want to wait that long, the quick hack (which I've used before) is smiply to add some extra A records into your .com zone for the nameservers (ns1.example.com, ns2.example.com pointing at the correct IP addresses), and then register the .com zone with those nameservers as the ones for the delegation. At least the NSI system, and maybe others, can then insert the necessary glue records when you do it that way. But it does mean you have two names for your nameservers. Ewen --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Complex DNS problem
by Gavin 09 May '01

09 May '01

Hi, I am not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but domainz have not been able to help and suggested this list. We are a ChCh company with our own class C address, and as we were active on the net long before there were registrars or agents we do not have one -- I presume we are in effect our own registrar for the .nz namespace. We now have a .com name and wish to redirect accesses to this domain name back to our .nz address, and to do this we have to register our nameserver(s) with the Internic. The US registrar for our .com address cannot do this for us -- they say our registrar must do this for us -- but we don't have one. Domainz cannot do this either. I didn't choose the US registrar, and the particular registrar that was chosen for me in the US cannot register ccTLD's -- is this the root of the problem ?. Is anyone able to point me in the right direction ? TIA, -- Regards, Gavin Melville, gavin(a)cypher.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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What the NZ Internet looks like
by Juha Saarinen 08 May '01

08 May '01

http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/ches/map/gallery/tld/nz.gif I think I'm there, just below uummm.... you know, that other node. -- Juha The malformed orange Fails to satisfy the eye: Segmentation fault. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Unknown IP's on APE
by Simon Blake 07 May '01

07 May '01

Hi Folks would the entities using 192.203.154.10 192.203.154.30 please get in contact with me, so that I can complete my population of the APE DNS. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Asia On-line not?
by Richard Parry 07 May '01

07 May '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hey Phillip; > As one of Asia On Lines upstreams, I would like to make it clear > that TelstraSaturn do not have any current issues within our > network. Interesting. Personally I don't mind either way, just relating what we've been told. The latest is that they believe it's a possible attack on their network of some kind, but this is markedly different information than what's been flowing through until earlier today. As an aside, do you count Wellington's cable modem network as a part of your network? :) > I would suggest that AONZ themselves are probably best placed > to comment on any > problems they may be experiencing. Absolutely, however in an instance where someone (Peter) can't get to their network, it may be unlikely that they can effectively respond. Just trying to help. Richard - -- Richard Parry richard.parry(a)optimation.co.nz Phone: +64 4 470 5814 x 848 Optimation New Zealand Limited Pager: richardp.pager(a)optimation.co.nz Fax: +64 4 472 7219 PGP Fingerprint: 603F ECBD B38B 09F8 9601 F438 6131 D23F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0 iQEVAwUBOvdW8vVxtQ5VlW2tAQHmZQf/WTMzdLIEddx1jKDfQAbE5ek4h2KEw34T 4dZWnnvEBHW4eD6x/eDBzfkONYoo9wseLHeb229vNxpXprQmQbn14Z6sdEcqlAID BozXGgGfSD5sv+bGW+YEEKrc/ZIH0EJOfA5sFvKVNwkvvLzvhuFxpwJSppTCB08Q JlawalZ5HqkOPJeIDfGnOo+J2Z+9AZXHegWVs5GPcK+1AP+KQtW/TnE8ZWGwVDH3 Jk7aYUmAtCx/lGv42UgZJZ13IdhgkjLrrcibJFsJDr1VfztugWRNaVB3XzIPLgDv o4qsDfvJ0fl40gLkwsAYvzh9TRQ6cHDQstLw00tUXysTq2JngI0kWg== =6uRe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Asia On-line not?
by Richard Parry 07 May '01

07 May '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi Peter; We're an AOL (ho ho) customer, and have been experiencing problems of various nature over the past few days. I understand that mostly, it is related to their upstream provider, and a lot of problems may have had to do with their caching engine. Probably the best bet is to contact them with your concerns. We're having some intermittent DNS issues, but mostly it's to do with ftp and http (http over ssl, and other services like email, mostly work 100%). Kind regards Richard Parry - -- Richard Parry richard.parry(a)optimation.co.nz Phone: +64 4 470 5814 x 848 Optimation New Zealand Limited Pager: richardp.pager(a)optimation.co.nz Fax: +64 4 472 7219 PGP Fingerprint: 603F ECBD B38B 09F8 9601 F438 6131 D23F > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter.mott(a)2day.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2001 8:59 a.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Asia On-line not? > > > Does anybody here have any routing problems to iconz at this time? > > We dont appear to be seeing ns1.iconz.co.nz which may be > needed to resolve > names to numbers from time to time > > <cant get www.idg.net.nz daily fix!> > > Peter Mott > Chief Enthusiast > 2day.com > -/- > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to > majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0 iQEVAwUBOvcjTvVxtQ5VlW2tAQHoRgf/TIgiHRcZrB0RE+mTeK9Cec3H+uVt9zT2 NaazytIVysuajt6A25rl5ngA/qbcnl9Eh8Ev0iLDvnsW3KUj7LZsSliWRZWccb3r LMJD0a37L0sEpQlOm4+eqMZVviN0HXPD6iVVEuJfPzb+iD44idwgcL84GtE6Mvyu cKOaEnVU90Ntk/BbbnX7QKV0Qf+DGIvocoiBUJn1qEHkFk4PgCCBNJgxZoBhhZR0 K0/nyQBHgqf8+wDWMfWIfu2/IOsUUswG/JbO/7KKvANhhVpPra9yVv4NwjoRSObO 6X8Jlhr+SFKajrOa+RNmVPgJSxGnqW7beAksAuJmLy2HJ4fFOi6Bsg== =OHax -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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07 May '01

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Outage at APE Monday 7 May 2001
by Richard Naylor 06 May '01

06 May '01

Switch Outage at APE - Monday 7 May 2001. There MAY be a small outage of the APE core switch on Monday morning, 7 May, while the switch is replaced with one of larger capacity. We expect this to be at around 10am. The replacement will be done live so the visible outage will be only the time the switch takes to notice that MAC addresses have shifted ports. There will be other work done in the APE facility at the same time, including the addition of several new connections and at least one upgrade. Any business hours questions should be via 04-917-0200, after hours via 04-385-9003 or I can be contacted on 021 897 089. Of course email works and I will check it over the week end. On a different subject, I am close to installing an ATM interface on the APE switch. I am interested in the level of interest in the network community for users to connect to APE (or WIX) via the various ATM networks. Anyone interested in ATM access to APE or WIX, please let me know ASAP. It won't happen on Monday, but as soon as I can lay my hands on some cards. Richard richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APE switching -- L2 topology
by Chris Wedgwood 05 May '01

05 May '01

Can people with APE connectivity (privately, off the list) give me some idea of what kind of connectivity they have, whether it is a switch belonging to CLEAR, Citylink or whatever if they don't mind? I'd like to produce some kind of L2 'map' of the topology up there and also wonder if we are at the point were spanning tree might rears it ugly head. Thanks, --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Apologies
by Frank Tyson 05 May '01

05 May '01

I apologies concerning my query on Proxy Servers I've had a couple of people email me privately suggesting it was off topic For me it was a question more about the Operational or Technical aspects of why some ISP's disallow access this way ___ [| |=|{)__ |___| \/ ) /|\ /| / | \ | \ For all your Web Design and Photography Frank Tyson Stokes Valley New Zealand Mobile 021 134 1826 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Issues regarding Access through Proxy Servers to clients homepages via FTP
by Frank Tyson 04 May '01

04 May '01

I understand various providers restrict access to their clients homepages via FTP e.g Slingshot doesnt allow you to access your pages through a proxy server at Polytechnic or University This is a pain in the proverbial A**se because the course Im completing is Cybertech/E Commerce /Web Design and as part of my project I am required to create and maintain my own site Sure its fine when this can be done from home but in some cases I need to be able to do this from class An example would be creating the site at home then zipping it up uploading the zip to my homepages, extracting it at polytech to work on a particular section then loading the completed site back to my provider Currently the only way to load it is by having 2 email addresses and transfering stuff between them unless anyone has a different idea Ok you may suggest using an outfit like Tripod etc but I dont want my project cluttered with thier adverts popups etc When one looks at some of the public domain sites they have the faciality for transfering stuff via FTP built into the site rather than having to run a seperate program Maybe its something that could be looked at hear with NZ ISP's If one of you is running a server which allows access via FTP through Proxy Servers and of course rates and conditions are reasonable let me know I may have to consider switching providers who knows lol ___ [| |=|{)__ |___| \/ ) /|\ /| / | \ | \ For all your Web Design and Photography Frank Tyson Stokes Valley New Zealand Mobile 021 134 1826 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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by t169668736＠yahoo.com 03 May '01

03 May '01

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RE: Connection to APE
by Brett Telfer 01 May '01

01 May '01

We can provide you an alternative BB solution, as we also have close relationships with a number of ISP's, and have a presence at the APE. Without getting into a sales pitch, we may also be able to offer you some local benefits as well :-) Contact me off-line if you're interested. Regards Brett Telfer Development Project Manager WALKER WIRELESS LIMITED Tel: +64 (9) 522 3699 Fax: +64 (21) 559 833 Mobile: +64 (21) 434 600 0800 NO NETLAG --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Connection to APE
by Seeby Woodhouse - Orcon 01 May '01

01 May '01

Hi there People We (Orcon Internet) have been considering a connection to APE for quite some time, and it is becoming more and more important for us to get this set up. The reason is that our Global Gateway domestic connection does not connect satisfactorily to a number of NZ ISP's (e.g. Asia Online), and this is important to us because otherwise we have to pay International rates to connect to them. Additionally, we have 30 NZ ISP's that sit behind our network and some of them have been expressing a desire for us to have a connection at APE as well. Because of the amount of traffic that we foward domestically, I don't think that a 2Mbit connection will surfice - so we will probably have to put in a 10Mbit link. Obviously a 10Mbit link needs to be carried over ATM or IPExpress. we don't want to use IPExpress to connect to the sky tower as I am concerned that if the quality of the service gets bad (packet loss / latency - Clear make no QoS guarantees on IPExpress), then BGP is not going to fall over to our Global Gateway Domestic - even if that is faster. So our only other option is to use ATM. However, Telecom tell us that if we want to purchase a 10Mbit PVC up the sky tower, then we need to have an ATM to terminate it on (which is going to cost us $4k for the ATM + The PVC charge + An ATM router + telehousing - which is expensive!) Clear offer a service where if you purchase a Frame Relay, IPExpress or ATM, then you can get a connection to APE for free (they just terminate it up the sky tower on their own equipment I guess) - but Telecom does not seem to do this. Anyone know how we can get a 10Mbit connection to APE via our Telecom ATM without having to pay for all the associated access fees at the sky tower end? Cheers Seeby Orcon Internet - www.orcon.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has around 220 subscribers, growing by a handful each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Some discussion is taking place on the list at present regarding the acceptability of postings advertising for sale second-hand networking equipment. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Off topic.... but .......
by Roger De Salis 29 Apr '01

29 Apr '01

April 27, 2001 Sony to release Linux for PS2 By STEPHEN SHANKLAND, CNET NEWS.COM Linux fans who want to run their favorite operating system on the Sony PlayStation 2 game console apparently will get what they've been hoping for. On Friday, Sony posted information on the Beta Release 1 of its PlayStation 2 Linux Kit, including a press release on its Japanese site that puts its price tag at 25,000 yen, or about $200. The kit includes a DVD with software, 40GB hard drive, keyboard and mouse. The beta, or test, version will be available in June. More than 6,000 people signed a petition earlier this year to encourage Sony to work on the project. The PlayStation 2 is powered by a MIPS chip. One of the benefits of Linux is that it's comparatively easy to get it working on different CPUs. Sony selected Linux to help game developers simulate the PlayStation 2 so they could get a jump on creating games before the actual hardware was available. Running Linux on the game console itself, though, is a different matter entirely. Rumors of the possibility have been circulating on Slashdot, a news and discussion site popular with Linux fans. The programming blueprints, or source code, for the kernel--the heart of Linux--is included on the DVD, Sony said. But the source code for a proprietary "runtime environment" that lets games play on the system is not. -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St /) +64 4 496 9003 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` 4/4/01. Mike Volpi, Cisco's chief strategy officer, announces four key markets: VOIP, wireless LANs, content networking, streaming media. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Buy & Sale of used network equipment
by Bart Kindt 26 Apr '01

26 Apr '01

I often feel the need to either put up for sale network related equipment, or parts thereof, or ask for certain gear. For example, routers, Max boxes, Cisco routers cards (we have some which we don't use anymore, and others we may need), etc. The nznog list is not to be used for 'commercial' purposes... But it is silly if the NZ network managers could all benefit of trading used equipment, but we cannot use this mailing list for it. So, I would like to suggest that either this list is ammended to allow 'trading' of used network related equipment, or that we set up a separate list for this purpose. Comments? Bart Bart Kindt Director, Network Operations The Internet Group Limited New Zealand --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Max 4000 Power Supplies
by Matt Camp 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

Anyone know where to source some reasonably cheap Max 4000 Power Supplies? Or a good place to get some fixed? I've got a bunch here all with the same transformer-sans-MagicSmoke. --- Matt Camp --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Buy & Sale of used network equipment
by Lindsay Druett 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

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Re: Max 4000 Power Supplies
by Bart Kindt 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

At 09:30 26/04/01 +1200, Matt Camp wrote: > >Anyone know where to source some reasonably cheap Max 4000 Power Supplies? > >Or a good place to get some fixed? I've got a bunch here all with the same >transformer-sans-MagicSmoke. We have some max4000-V34 for sale, $2000 a piece. Could be your solution ?? Bart Bart Kindt Director, Network Operations The Internet Group Limited New Zealand --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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25 Apr '01

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Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 emails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's 100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 100,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH $500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5, 000 + =..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total $555,550. 00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. LET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? there are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you just do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. ===========AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Report #1: The Insider's Guide To Advertising for Free On The Net. Order Report #1 from: Stephen Au Flat D, 10/F, Block 5, Locwood Court Kingswood Villas, Tin Shui Wai Yuen Long Hong Kong ___________________________________________________ REPORT #2: The Insider's Guide To Sending Bulk Email On The Net. Order report #2 from: Marc Hansen 615, Avenue Mozart F-13100 Aix-en-Provence France Europe ___________________________________________________ REPORT #3: Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The Net. Order Report #3 from : Pete Gallagher 2082 Newbury Rd. #14 Newbury Pk., CA 91320 ___________________________________________________ REPORT #4: How To Become A Millionaire Utilizing MLM & The Net. Order Report #4 from: Sonja MacKenzie RR#25 1032 Orange Rd. Roberts Creek, BC VON 2W5 CANADA ___________________________________________________ REPORT #5: How To Send Out One Million Emails For Free. Order Report #5 From: Kimik P. O. Box 175 Alta Loma, CA 91701-0175 USA ___________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ..........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ============MORE TESTIMONIALS================== '' My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received =his program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made =un of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 .......... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf, M.D. Chicago, Illinois. =================================================== '' Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to wake up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I couldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made =319,210. 00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big''. Dan Sondstrom. Alberta, Canada. =================================================== '' I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who do contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks''. Susan De Suza. New York, N.Y. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- '' It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $ 20, 560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $ 362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet''. Fred Dellaca. Westport, New Zealand. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR YOUR INFORMATION.... If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) 1-(800)827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax requirements. Under Bill S1618 Title III passed by the 105th US Congress this letter cannot be considered spam as long as the sender includes contact information and a method of removal. This is a one time e-mail transmission. No request for removal is necessary. If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Flying Shose!!��Flying Shose!!
by i46157184＠hotmail.com 21 Apr '01

21 Apr '01

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MBGP
by James Tyson 16 Apr '01

16 Apr '01

Sorry about the cross-posting. I wanted to ask who would be willing to set up MBGP across APE or WIX (it's pretty easy, you just need to extend the capabilities of your current sessions with a new address-family). All interested say "Aye" and I will post instructions on the mbone-nz list for IOS<12.1 IOS>12.1 (they changed it) and Zebra I was really hoping that the guys at Citylink would be willing to set the route-reflectors up to do it also. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: MBGP
by James Tyson 16 Apr '01

16 Apr '01

#include <tumbleweed.h> Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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