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RE: Auck. Seminar on Swain anti-hacking/internet surveillance bil l
by David Katz 27 Nov '00

27 Nov '00

Would it be at all possible for somebody to do an mp3 recording or the likes of tommorow's discussion? I know it would be much appreciated... David Katz -----Original Message----- From: Lin Nah [mailto:lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:18 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Auck. Seminar on Swain anti-hacking/internet surveillance bill Due to the big interest in this topic, I am posting this for the 2nd (and last time). The seminar is TOMORROW! Only a short thing - ie won't drag on. There will be opportunity for Q&A between audience and speaker(s). After that we have to see if there are questions, discussions etc we need to cover in another session. The seminar will be at Old Govt House. RSVP due to catering ($10 for lunch is all this will cost IIRC). Hope to see a few there. regards Lin On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Lin Nah wrote: > Hi All, > > As mentioned, there's to be a seminar on the Swain bill. > > Lech Janczewski will be conducting the seminar. He has been on a fact > finding mission, talking to as many people who know anything about this > as he can. He wished to present the information gathered "straight from > the horses mouth". > > When I spoke to Lech, he was quite candid in his concerns over this. > He didn't know whether the hype was due to media playing it up or whether > some of the concerns are true. > > Lech has had a keen interest in Data security. He was my lecturer in > information security a couple of years back and is still teaching the > paper. He is also the organiser for the Information Security Forum. > He has also been teaching the Data Communications paper ever since I have > known him (and probably before that too) in 1990. I am not sure if he's > still teaching this paper as I did remember him trying to reduce his workload. > > The Abstract was in a word document which I will obviously not forward. > I have cut and pastes the text into the bottom of this email. > > Please contact lech if you wish to attend or to find out more about it. > > > regards > Lin > > > From: "Aoki, Reiko" <r.aoki(a)auckland.ac.nz> > Subject: E-Com Workshop (29/11) Internet Security > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:29:58 +1300 > > Next E-Commerce Workshop will be on 29 November (Wed) from noon. Continuing > with the theme of internet security, Lech Janczewski (MSIS and New Zealand > Information Security Forum) will present the facts and lead a discussion on > the plans for a new law announced recently by Hon. Paul Swain, Information > Technology Minister (please see attached abstract). > > The workshop will be at Vice-Chancellor's Room (OGH ground floor). Because > of great public interest in the topic, we are inviting experts from outside > the University to the workshop. We have asked them to pay for lunch since > the Team Development Grant is limited. But please don't be confused...lunch > is free to members of the University community as usual. > For catering purposes, please reply to Lech ( lech(a)auckland.ac.nz > <mailto:lech(a)auckland.ac.nz> ) via email (from university address) by 28 > November (Tues) noon. > > This is the last workshop for this year. The first workshop of the new year > will be lead by Ian King (Economics). He will be talking about different > methods of selling goods on the internet (auctions and posting prices) and > how revenues differ according the market conditions. You can find his > working paper (related but not the content of his discussion) on the > Workshop website. (Website will be updated as soon as I can figure out how > to under the new regime. There is a link from economics department site.) > > See you on 29th. Thank you. > > Reiko and Mia > > << From Janczweski Abstract.doc>> > > Government power to intercept electronic communication > > Lech Janczweski (MSIS) > > Hon. Paul Swain, Information Technology Minister revealed plans of > introducing a law giving power to government agencies, like police or > the Security Intelligence Service, to intercept electronic communications. > Presumably, this legislation will be similar to that existing already in > the UK. For a quick reference look into NZ Herald form 16.11.2000 ("Big > brother eying your e-mail", [Herald] and "Cyber world fears snoop law", > [Business Herald]) > > That decision would have a significant impact on citizens of this country, > our trading partners, as well as law enforcement agencies. We believe that > such an important law necessitates a wide discussion not necessary limited > to the NZ government and parliamentary circles. Especially electronic > commerce and information security specialists need to voice their opinion. > > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Aus problems.
by Simon Lyall 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

According to the word Telstra have had a cable cut near Singapore which is badly affecting them and some other Aussie ISPs. Nothing on the outages page of course, but it's been happening all evening. "Telstra expect to have their core routers operational within approximately two hours" Also bad flooding in NSW. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Fwd: Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain
by Andy Linton 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

>From: Ministerial Announcements <announce(a)ministers.govt.nz> >To: "All Ministerial releases" <all-releases(a)executive.govt.nz> >Subject: Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:18:32 +1300 >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:leave-swain-releases-15379N(a)executive.govt.nz> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:leave-all-releases-8282Y(a)executive.govt.nz> >Reply-To: "All Ministerial releases" <all-releases(a)executive.govt.nz> >Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >17 November 2000 >Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain > >Associate Minister of Justice Paul Swain has welcomed the passage of his >'anti-hacking' bill to the Law and Order Select Committee. I'm not happy that this is spammed to the NZNOG list. It's interesting but it's not an operational issue. It's a press release and I'd be quite happy to read about this in the press. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain
by Ministerial Announcements 21 Nov '00

21 Nov '00

17 November 2000 Swain's anti-hacking Bill to Select Committee - Paul Swain Associate Minister of Justice Paul Swain has welcomed the passage of his 'anti-hacking' bill to the Law and Order Select Committee. This afternoon Parliament voted to send the Supplementary Order Paper to Crimes Amendement Bill (Number 6) to the Law and Order Select Committee for submissions and deliberation. "The overarching purpose of this SOP is to make hacking illegal in New Zealand - I think that is vital for every New Zealander who owns a computer. We need to send a strong message that hacking is not cool, it is not clever, it is a serious crime," Paul Swain said. "If it proceeds, this legislation would make accessing a computer system without authorisation a criminal offence punishable by a maximum of two years imprisonment. "At the moment computer hacking is not an offence in New Zealand. "The process now is for the Law and Order Select Committee to hear submissions on the SOP and make deliberations, this is a vital part of the process. This is the stage when the public get to have their say about the Bill. " For that reason I have ensured that there is a lengthy process for consideration by, and submission to the select committee. I propose asking the select committee to report back by the 30th May, which should give ample time for this process. "I have given an absolute assurance that law abiding citizens who are not involved in criminal activity have nothing to fear from this legislation. People will be looking for proof of that assurance when the select committee reports back," Paul Swain said. --- You are currently subscribed to swain-releases as: all-releases(a)executive.govt.nz To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-swain-releases-15379N(a)executive.govt.nz --- You are currently subscribed to all-releases as: EpistlesFromTheState(a)Hamish.MacEwan.gen.nz To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-all-releases-8282Y(a)executive.govt.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ Broadband mailing list
by Dan Langille 20 Nov '00

20 Nov '00

I send this message was sent to nz.comp last night. I figured more than one list member would be interested: I've just created the New Zealand broadband mailing list. Given that the ADSL mailing list has grown quite a bit, it's time to split the list. adsl(a)unixathome.org will continue to deal with ADSL. broadband(a)unixathome.org will deal with broadband in general and delivery methods such as ISDN, satellite, Saturn cable, chello, IHUG Ultra, etc. Those who wish to subscribe to the new list should send a message to majordomo(a)unixathome.org with "subscribe broadband" in the body of the message. The archives for the new list, once there is something to archive, will go online later this week at http://unixathome.org/broadband/ cheers -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Internet Surveillance
by Joe Abley 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Hi, ISOCNZ have a working group looking at Internet Surveillance, and are attempting to decide on a position from which to make recommendations to the Government. It hasn't been running long. http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-iswg There was some noise in the press about police powers with respect to internet surveillance recently (although not much signal). I'm trying to look at the operational impact of legislation in this area. Ignoring the philosophical debate about what is and what isn't appropriate about surveillance in general, or about police powers to gather evidence from ISPs: + suppose the police have sufficient cause to be suspicious about the antics of one of your customers that they obtain a court order which entitles them to "tap their internet traffic". Suppose you decided (or were compelled) to facilitate the "tap". o what is reasonable for them to tap? Incoming (to-customer) e-mail? Outgoing (from-customer) e-mail? A complete packet dump? o If you have customers who don't have static IP addresses, is it feasible to collect data from an individual subscriber without collecting it from a whole bunch of others at the same time? o would you be happy letting someone from the police connect her own equipment to your network in order to gather the evidence the court order entitled them to collect? Would you prefer to do it yourself? o would your company expect to be reimbursed for the time spent facilitating the "tap"? o how easy would it be for you to insert something in your network to capture all packets to/from one of your customers? (scale of 1 [trivial] to 10 [impossible]) o assuming it was possible, how much inconvenience would it cause to other customers to put the tap in place? (scale of 1 [none] to 10 [take them off the air for the duration of the tap]) + suppose all interception of network traffic was prohibited across the board without a court order; i.e. you were compelled to shift your customers' traffic blindfolded, and were absolutely not allowed to look at it. Would this be feasible? How much troubleshooting would be impossible under these kinds of conditions? + do you have a clause in your contract with your customers which permits you to inspect customer traffic for operational (or other) purposes? + are you aware of hooks in your network hardware which are designed to allow customer traffic to be intercepted? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Internet Surveillance
by David Katz 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

One just needs to look at the US and the whole fiasco that Carnivore has created to find out that this will be much more difficult than it appears... ;) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Newbery [mailto:Michael.Newbery(a)telstrasaturn.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:58 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Internet Surveillance At 11:22 AM -0500 6/11/00, Joe Abley wrote: > >I'm trying to look at the operational impact of legislation in >this area. Ignoring the philosophical debate about what is and >what isn't appropriate about surveillance in general, or about >police powers to gather evidence from ISPs: [After not a lot of people responded, Joe attempted to shame us into replying. For the record, I'm too busy (excuse #2)] > > + suppose the police have sufficient cause to be suspicious > about the antics of one of your customers that they obtain > a court order which entitles them to "tap their internet > traffic". Suppose you decided (or were compelled) to > facilitate the "tap". > > o what is reasonable for them to tap? Incoming (to-customer) > e-mail? Outgoing (from-customer) e-mail? A complete packet > dump? Email, probably. A complete packet dump could present problems. I would be unwilling to do anything that would cost us money--without appropriate recompense---or that would impact network performance---in any event. I am unwilling to slow my STM-1024 down to V.24 speeds so I can wiretap. > o would you be happy letting someone from the police connect > her own equipment to your network in order to gather the > evidence the court order entitled them to collect? Would > you prefer to do it yourself? In general, no. I doubt their laptop has a suitable STM-1024 interface. Where possible, yes, under our supervision. > > o would your company expect to be reimbursed for the time > spent facilitating the "tap"? Of course. Actually, I'd expect that my company could and therefor should just write the cost off to civic welfare, but I think that a struggling ISP might not appreciate having to stump up overtime for several people to make the tap work. > > o how easy would it be for you to insert something in your > network to capture all packets to/from one of your customers? > (scale of 1 [trivial] to 10 [impossible]) 1-10. It depends on which customer and where in the network. > + suppose all interception of network traffic was prohibited > across the board without a court order; i.e. you were compelled > to shift your customers' traffic blindfolded, and were absolutely > not allowed to look at it. Would this be feasible? How much > troubleshooting would be impossible under these kinds of > conditions? Depends on how it's worded. In the extreme case, if I can't look at my customers' packets, I (my routers) can't read the address headers and the packets never make it past the first RJ-45! I would consider the wording in the current radio regs for amateurs has the right flavour. In the event that you intercept communications not intended for you, you are required to act as if you had not in fact intercepted the communications. In particular you must not communicate them to a third party. What's the statement? "Hard cases make bad law"? I shudder to think how to draught legislation that accurately and unambiguously sets out the rights and obligations of all parties and also keep up with technology. Let's just promote PGP a lot :-) -- Michael Newbery Technical Specialist Telstra Saturn Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:02-939 5102 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FBI responds to Carnivore criticism will deploy "Childsaver"
by Hamish MacEwan 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

WASHINGTON, D.C. (Routers) -- FBI Director Louis Freeh announced today that the Federal Bureau of Investigation takes the criticism of its wiretapping computer sniffer Carnivore "very seriously." In a hastily-called press conference, he acknowledged that the FBI had "underestimated the importance of the Constitution to the citizen-units.' "We are withdrawing Carnivore at this time," he said to an assembled audience of journalists, activists, and visiting death squad officials from South America. "Simply put, we expected citizen-units to simply shrug off our latest surveillance measures. That, and the name. Apparently we insulted the vegetarian and vegan contingent," he joked. Director Freeh announced that while Carnivore was being withdrawn, the FBI would go ahead with deployment of a much more powerful system called "Childsaver." "Childsaver is our next-generation "first mover advantage" product," said Freeh, adopting the FBI's new dotcom-friendly jargon. "Childsaver is a best-of-breed product. It gives us a powerful edge in the surveillance space, and we think our investors will be happy." Childsaver, as Director Freeh explained it, will require suppliers of browsers and mail programs to install the Childsaver plug-in in every program shipped. "Childsaver will allow the legitimate needs of law enforcement by enabling lawful surveillance orders to be carried out swiftly and undetectably." When asked by a reporter if Carnivore had always been intended as a sacrifice move, to be abandoned and replaced by the better-sounding Childsaver, Director Freeh referred all such questions to the Ministry of Truth. Check the source. Hamish. -- We are each of us angels with only one wing, and we can only fly by embracing one another. -Luciano de Crescenzo --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Seminar by Dr Christophe (Sprint)
by Tony McGregor 13 Nov '00

13 Nov '00

The following seminar is being hosted by the Waikato University network research group (WAND). NZNOG visitors are welcome, let me know if you plan to attend so we can lay in supplies. Tony ---- Experiences Monitoring Backbone IP Networks Conducted by Dr Christophe Diot IP research Group, Sprint We present our experiences with monitoring traffic on the Sprint IP backbone network using the passive monitoring DAG OC-3/OC-12 card developed at the University of Waikato. We currently have 11 monitoring systems installed at one location, however managing a monitoring system of this scale is a challenging task since each link monitored can generate up to 100 GB of data each day. We discuss techniques for transferring the data to the lab, storing the data, and efficiently processing. Finally we present results that demonstrate the capabilities of our system and provide information which is useful in developing future measurement systems. Christophe Diot received a Ph.D. degree in Computer Science from INP Grenoble in 1991. From 1993 to 1998, he was a research scientist at INRIA Sophia Antipolis, working on new Internet architecture and protocols. Diot moved to Sprint Advanced Technology Laboratory in October 1998 to take the lead of the IP research group. His current interest is in deployable multicast (SSM) and Internet resource control. Diot is also member of IEEE and ACM, member of the COST 264 action, and serves as an editor for ACM/IEEE Transactions on Networking. Presented on Thursday 16 Nov 2000 at 4:00pm School Meeting Room, GG-12 ---- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Internet Surveillance
by Tony Wicks 12 Nov '00

12 Nov '00

yes, prepaid - http://www.mysurf.net.nz btw, users on mysurf ( which has just ben launched ) are address translated and blocked from accessing Asia Online Mail servers or news servers. They only have web-based mail. if you have any problems with anti-social activities from mysurf pre-paid users please email helpdesk(a)nz.asiaonline.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Joe Abley Sent: Monday, 13 November 2000 9:01 a.m. To: Shane Cole Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Internet Surveillance On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 08:53:43AM +1300, Shane Cole wrote: > Just one thing, what are they going to do about people using prepaid ^^^^^^^ > internet on prepaid cellular to do there naughtyness... Prepaid? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Internet Surveillance
by Sid Jones 12 Nov '00

12 Nov '00

At 21:53 12/11/2000 +0000, Jeremy Clyma wrote: >BTW isn't it time for a NZNOG pissu^H^H^H meeting again soon? Wellington or Auckland? -- Sid --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Internet Surveillance
by Tony Wicks 12 Nov '00

12 Nov '00

Actually, what I meant is that if there proves to be a significant number of complaints then Asia Online / Vodaphone management will need to take another look at the policy ( not me ! ). -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] Sent: Monday, 13 November 2000 10:13 a.m. To: Jeremy Clyma Cc: Tony Wicks Subject: Re: Internet Surveillance On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 08:41:09PM +0000, Jeremy Clyma wrote: > No, its not only a problem if you run an open relay.... > > Certain individuals provide lists of badly secured smtp servers which I > can just see a prepaid spammer for hire, abusing to their hearts content. Ah, but as Tony pointed out, you can always complain to the asia online helpdesk. "I'm sorry, we have no idea who that user is, so I guess they might well do it again. Yes, that does suck. Goodbye, thanks for calling." :) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Further to Australian Domain Name allocation policies and CER
by Frank March 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

An obvious follow up question winged my way within minutes of my post on acquisition of a domain name in the .com.au space: how does one acquire an ABN? Basically you need to fill in a form (AFAIK online registration is not possible, roll on e-Govt :-). Buckets of forms are held by TradeNZ and the contact is David Robertson, (04) 496 6414. I am informed that the forms may raise some questions as they are intended for Australians (for example, the form asks for Australian addresses but apparently NZ addresses will do just as well). The Manufacturers' Association and the Export Institute of NZ also have copies of the forms. Further information may be found at the MFAT Australian Division pages at http://www.mft.govt.nz/foreign/regions/australia.html Good hunting. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Australian Domain Name allocation policies and CER
by Frank March 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Not a technical issue but one which will nevertheless be of interest to subscribers to this list. At the July summit held by ISOCNZ to discuss issues relating to ICANN and DNS policies, a member raised a question about the apparent lack of reciprococity between Australian DN allocation policies and those of NZ and whether this was an issue which should be dealt with under the CER arrangements. Because there is no restriction on who may register in .co.nz, any Australian firm wanting to e-trade in NZ using an apparently indigenous address can do so. But, because registration in .com.au is restricted to Australian firms, NZ firms wishing to trade in Australia using an apparently Australian indigenous address may be disadvantaged. We (MED) raised this as an issue in the context of the biennial review of CER arrangements but it was somehow sidelined. We have finally got an answer to the question. While this has been a problem in the past, New Zealand firms are now able to acquire an Australian Business Number (ABN) for GST registration purposes. The converse has long been true: Australian firms can register in NZ for GST and thus acquire a NZ GST number. I have received confirmation today from Jan Webster, Manager, Policy Implementation, Internet Names WorldWide, a division of Melbourne IT Ltd, that any firm with an ABN qualifies for registration in the .com.au space. They also accept applications from foreign companies which have an ARBN and are therefore registered to trade in Australia. In both cases there are other non-residency requirements that need to be met as well, of course. You may wish to pass this information on to anyone with an interest in this area. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: IHUG MX records
by Tech Support 07 Nov '00

07 Nov '00

For Netlink/Telstra try us on 04 922 8499 or (preferably) tech(a)tsnz.net FWIW I'm sure our phone system would cut you off waaaaay before 1/2 an hour ;) If Gary or myself can't help, we can usually find the person who can, and (as long as you say who you are and where you are from) we won't ask for account numbers. Peter Mott wrote: <snip> But many of the problems we experience are at another layer, dns mail web etc. None of us here have the time or enthusiasm to wait for the standard 1/2 hour so so to get an answer on a help desk and then try to get the person to stop demanding our ISP account number and what version of windows we are running. Maybe each ISP needs to appoint a technical advocate that can be the contact point for other ISP's. The advocate can then run around with some internal knowledge and find the person responsible for solving the problem, whilst making sure the issue gets resolved. <snip> Cheers, Peter Gray Telstra Saturn Tech Support E-mail: tech(a)tsnz.net Phone: 0800 949 000 Fax: 04 922 8401 Website: www.netlink.net.nz PO Box 5358, Wellington, New Zealand "Smile," they said "things could be worse!" So I smiled, and things were worse.... --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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netscan.org has query by AS
by Simon Lyall 07 Nov '00

07 Nov '00

It's seems to be fairly new, so people might want to have a look especially the people from AS 4768 . Just goto http://www.netscan.org/ and put your ASN in the box. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: IHUG MX records
by David Katz 02 Nov '00

02 Nov '00

I would have to agree with this... When dealing with zone files, and their modifications, I have found 2day.com (a direct competitor to our business) to be much swifter in response and more co-operative than IHUG albeit they are also a direct competitor - but at least in the time of internetworking we really need to be able to have a bit of the "inter" part working to keep the whole "network" running...and I've found 2day to be very helpful in that regard. Dave. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:50 PM To: Simon Lyall Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: IHUG MX records > On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Peter Mott wrote: > > p.s. Dont ring the IHUG operator and ask for NOC. I got put through to > > somebody who had never heard of 2day.com > > The guy on duty can't be expected to have heard of every little ISP in the > country, especially those that we don't exchange money with or peer with. Given the size of the New Zealand market and the fact that we manage more zones than IHUG, not to mention our visibility in the market, I think this is a little rich. > > and was more interested in finding > > out how I managed to get connected to the NOC from the outside world. > > People are NOT supposed to be put through to the NOC without announcing > them and without at least trying to work out what their problem is first. I am not people. I am not even a poor IHUG customer. I am a fellow ISP expecting a little cooperation and respect. My motive was to get a mutual customer back on the air. > People can ring our NOC number in emergancies (ie our filters have gone > bad and a full routing table is melting your router) but I think the duty > NOC guy thought you were some customer who had bluffed his way through the > helpdesk. He may well have, but I made myself very clear about who I was. There is a world beyond IHUG. Suggest you lot open your eyes. Not everybody is the enemy in your war. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 02 Nov '00

02 Nov '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just under 180 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Final Agenda - ICANN Outreach Seminar - Nov 7-9
by Sue Leader 02 Nov '00

02 Nov '00

Greetings Further to my previous email the final agenda for the Seminar is available at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/aptld_icann_outreach_001102.html. The plain text is below. The event is free and open to the public. Cheers Sue ++++++++++++ Text version APTLD/APNIC PACIFIC OUTREACH PROGRAM This Event is Free and Open to the Public - to find out how to get to UNITEC please go to UNITEC's maps page http://www.unitec.ac.nz/services/maps/howtoget.html If you plan to attend an RSVP to sguest(a)mail.nu would be appreciated Tuesday, November 7: Red Room UNITEC Auckland 0900 0915 Welcome - Gael McDonald, Dean, Faculty of Business, UNITEC 0915 1015 Introduction to ICANN - Jennifer Northover, Councilor, Internet Society of New Zealand Inc (ISOCNZ) - history - constituents - working groups - why you should participate - how to participate 1015 1045 APTLD - Dr Byung Kyu Kim of KRNIC (Korea) - history - structure - why you should participate - how you can participate 1045--1100 Morning tea break 1100 --1200 ASO - Paul Wilson, APNIC - History of IP Address Management - Introduction to the Regional Internet Registries - Address Supporting Organisation 1200 1300 LUNCH 1300 -- 1430 Voluntary Reports from Pacific ccTLDs: Niue, Cook Islands, Fiji, Vanuatu, Tuvalu, Solomons, Samoa, American Samoa, Tonga, Norfolk Island (Facilitator: Stafford Guest: ".nu") 1430 1530 Government Advisory Committee (GAC) Governments role in internet governance - Frank March, Senior IT Policy Advisor, NZ Ministry of Economic Development 1530 1600 AFTERNOON TEA 1600 1630 New Zealands Shared Registry Project: status report - Rick Shera, SRS Working Group, Lowndes Jordan, Auckland 1630 Networking (CSI sponsors) Wednesday, November 8 0900 1100 APNIC - Paul Wilson and Anne Lord - Introduction to APNIC - APNIC Status Report - Introduction to IP Address Management - APNIC Policies and Procedures - How to be an APNIC Member 1100 1115 MORNING TEA 1115 -- 1145 A Coming Issue: Multi Lingual Domain Names Ray Brownrigg, Victoria University, Wellington 1145 1230 Protection of Famous Names Trade Marks and the Internet - Bryan Thompson, Partner, A J Park, Auckland 1230 1330 LUNCH 1330-1400 Uniform Dispute Resolution Process Stafford Guest Internet Users Society Niue (IUS-N) 1400-1500 Country Code Registries and ICANN - Sue Leader Executive Director - ISOCNZ - do they need contracts with ICANN? - Best Practice models 1500 1530 AFTERNOON TEA 1530 -- 1700 Issues for the Internet in the Pacific: Shared Problems plenary discussion. Chair: Jim Higgins, New Zealand 1700 Networking Thursday, November 9: Blue Room APNIC training seminar. Organised by APNIC. (Attendance By Invitation) Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco 2514
by James Tyson 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

Hey all. I'm looking to get hold of a second hand 2514 (you know, 1RU, 2 ethernet ports) second hand. If anyone has one then let me know. Cheers. --- James Tyson Moebius Systems Ltd http://www.moebius.co.nz/ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Waikato University secondary name server shutdown -- LAST WARNING
by Andrew McGhie 26 Oct '00

26 Oct '00

On Tuesday, 31 October 2000, the Waikato University secondary name service for .nz domains (ns1.waikato.ac.nz) will be shut down. Users of this service should migrate to the Domainz public secondary (pubsec.domainz.net.nz) or other secondary name services. Domains that have not been migrated from ns1.waikato.ac.nz by 5pm on 31 October will be re-delegated to use pubsec.domainz.net.nz, and secondary service set up accordingly. However, since this change can not update configurations of primary name servers for name holder domains, the following adverse effects may be noted: (1) The delegation information at the .nz name servers will not match the delegation records held at the primary, and queries may still be directed to ns1.waikato.ac.nz due to caching; (2) The public secondary (pubsec.domainz.net.nz) may not be able to transfer domains from the primary servers. This may be due to firewalls or the primary name servers being configured to only permit name transfers from ns1.waikato.ac.nz. (The IP address for ns1.waikato.ac.nz is 140.200.128.13; for pubsec.domainz.net.nz it is 202.46.160.4.) To avoid these problems, please update your name service before the closedown. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Route Advertisments
by Tony Wicks 25 Oct '00

25 Oct '00

Hi all below is an updated prexix list of the Asia Online NZ ( ICONZ ) networks. Can those of you who we peer with please update your access lists.Note, the changes are the last two lines. cheers ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 192.188.185.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.27.99.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.36.36.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.36.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.36.77.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.37.132.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 202.37.138.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 202.37.148.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 202.37.163.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 95 permit 202.37.171.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 100 permit 202.37.184.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 105 permit 202.37.186.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 110 permit 202.37.192.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 115 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 120 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 125 permit 202.37.229.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 130 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 135 permit 202.37.249.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 140 permit 202.37.248.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 145 permit 202.37.252.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 150 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 155 permit 202.50.16.0/20 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 160 permit 203.99.65.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 165 permit 203.99.66.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 170 permit 203.99.71.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 175 permit 210.54.0.0/22 <--- Changed ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 180 permit 138.235.0.0/16 <--- New --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Enz of an Era
by Dean Pemberton 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Most of you are not going to care about this in the slightest, but I've just resigned at Lucent. I'll be starting with a small company called Juniper Networks helping to set up their regional support center in Sydney in late November. Maybe some you have heard of them =). Later Dean -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Pemberton - dp(a)lucent.com Linux User# 157870 Guy who does stuff at Lucent Technologies - Bell Labs Innovations Lvl 38, 55 Collins St, Melbourne 3000, Australia Current Location - 144d58.391'E 37d48.737'S (Work) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RFC's
by James Tyson 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Can anyone think of any RFC's that should be mentioned inside a networks Abuse/Security policy? All I have so far is RFC2142. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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bgp
by Tony Wicks 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Hi all, just to let you all know ( for those doing bgp filtering ) Asia online ( as4770 ) is now advertising the downstream as17427. an up to date prefix list is - ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 192.188.185.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.27.99.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.36.36.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.36.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.36.77.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.76.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.37.132.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 202.37.138.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 202.37.148.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 202.37.163.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 95 permit 202.37.171.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 100 permit 202.37.184.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 105 permit 202.37.186.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 110 permit 202.37.192.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 115 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 120 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 125 permit 202.37.229.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 130 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 135 permit 202.37.249.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 140 permit 202.37.248.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 145 permit 202.37.252.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 150 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 155 permit 202.50.16.0/20 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 160 permit 203.99.65.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 165 permit 203.99.66.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 170 permit 203.99.71.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 175 permit 210.54.0.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 180 permit 210.54.2.0/24 I expect to be adding another class b network ( belonging to a customer unfortunately ) next week. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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