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RE: free dns services
by Erik Aronesty 16 Oct '00

16 Oct '00

http://www.zoneedit.com/ and http://www.granitecanyon.com/ both offer excellent free dns services for any domain. - erik

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SUBSCRIBE
by david 13 Oct '00

13 Oct '00

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Colocation facilities
by Marcus Spriggs(I-C-X) 13 Oct '00

13 Oct '00

Dear Sir I am trying to find out the names and addresses of colocation facilities in New Zealand . There do not seem to be many resources on the web. Can you help? Thanks Marcus Spriggs

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ICANN Outreach (Note APNIC Component)
by Donald Neal 12 Oct '00

12 Oct '00

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RE: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Jason Hunter 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

The same goes for CLEAR Net. It can be done online at anytime through the DNS Self management system. ( https://register.clear.net.nz ) The only thing to note here, is that you must have a CLEAR Net account. CLEAR Net also does not charge for the secondary name server service. Regards Jason jason.hunter(a)clear.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:25 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: FW: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz > > Andrew McGhie wrote: > > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as > > the public > > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public > > secondary are the > > same as for the old one [...] > This is rather misleading; the cost of pubsec.domainz.net.nz is $18, > whereas the last time anyone was allowed to set ns.waikato.ac.nz as one > of their nameservers, the cost was $12. 2day.com offers those folk currently using ns1.waikato.ac.nz free secondary name service. Send email to dns(a)2day.com stating the IP address of the name server configured to be master, and the name of the zone. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Peter Mott 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

> > Andrew McGhie wrote: > > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as > > the public > > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public > > secondary are the > > same as for the old one [...] > This is rather misleading; the cost of pubsec.domainz.net.nz is $18, > whereas the last time anyone was allowed to set ns.waikato.ac.nz as one > of their nameservers, the cost was $12. 2day.com offers those folk currently using ns1.waikato.ac.nz free secondary name service. Send email to dns(a)2day.com stating the IP address of the name server configured to be master, and the name of the zone. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Andrew McGhie 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

I apologise, my mistake. Cheers Andrew > > Andrew McGhie wrote: > > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned > as the public > > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public > secondary are the > > same as for the old one [...] Martin D Kealey wrote: > This is rather misleading; the cost of pubsec.domainz.net.nz is $18, > whereas the last time anyone was allowed to set > ns.waikato.ac.nz as one > of their nameservers, the cost was $12. > > Andrew (and anyone else repeating this statement), please specify the > current rate, rather than just saying "the same". > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by martin＠kurahaupo.gen.nz 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

Andrew McGhie wrote: > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as the public > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public secondary are the > same as for the old one [...] This is rather misleading; the cost of pubsec.domainz.net.nz is $18, whereas the last time anyone was allowed to set ns.waikato.ac.nz as one of their nameservers, the cost was $12. Andrew (and anyone else repeating this statement), please specify the current rate, rather than just saying "the same". -Martin. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Andrew McGhie 11 Oct '00

11 Oct '00

Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as the public secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public secondary are the same as for the old one and will fall due on the same date. There is no charge for the transfer. If you are responsible for domain names using ns1.waikato.ac.nz can you either transfer them to the new public secondary or to another secondary of your own choosing. Before the weekend I will be mailing the name holders and technical contacts about the changes, so please bear in mind there will probably be an increase in help desk calls. Cheers Andrew --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz
by Scott, Arron 10 Oct '00

10 Oct '00

Another Icon of NZ Internet bites the dust ... Those were the days, I remember when we had ns1 running on a Commodore PC-10, running FreeBSD, and we upgraded it to an IBM AIX box. <emotional sniff> Arron Scott (ex DNS Updater from before we figured we could do this with Scripts) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Andrew McGhie > Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2000 18:00 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Decommissioning of ns1.waikato.ac.nz > > > > Please note that ns1.waikato.ac.nz will be decommissioned as > the public > secondary at the end of this month. The new public secondary is > pubsec.domainz.net.nz. The charges for the new public > secondary are the same as > for the old one and will fall due on the same date. There is > no charge for the > transfer. > > If you are responsible for domain names using > ns1.waikato.ac.nz can you either > transfer them to the new public secondary or to another > secondary of your own > choosing. > > Before the weekend I will be mailing the name holders and > technical contacts > about the changes, so please bear in mind there will probably > be an increase in > help desk calls. > > > Cheers > > > Andrew > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 08 Oct '00

08 Oct '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just over 170 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mr Dean Hutt
by Phill Groom 08 Oct '00

08 Oct '00

G'day all, Does anyone have a contact for a Mr Dean Hutt, IT Manager, Lincoln, Christchurch ? Replys off list to me please. Regards, Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Internet Mechanic mailto:pgroom(a)tsnz.net Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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CityLink/WIX Outage
by Richard Naylor 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

There will be a (hopefully) very brief outage on CityLink and WIX tonight somewhere between 5:30pm and 6:00pm while a backbone switch is upgraded. The outage will be while the switches pick up new MAC addresses and speeds are sorted out on some ports. This should be about 1 minute. Any customers affected after 6pm should call our Call Center on 385-9003. Network Operators with problems can call me on 021 897 089. Thanks for your co-operation. Richard Naylor richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Netgate problems
by Ben Martel 05 Oct '00

05 Oct '00

Same here. We only see an advertisement from WIX. Hmmmmmmmmm.. let me dig a little further. Ben Martel CLEAR Net CLEAR Communications Ltd > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Wicks [mailto:tony.wicks(a)nz.asiaonline.net] > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 2:27 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: Netgate problems > > > hmm, that's interesting Netgate does not seem to be > advertising xtra ( well > at least the www.xtra.co.nz ) ip address to us either, but I > can see it over > WIX. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Peter Mott > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 2:15 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Netgate problems > > > Anybody aware of connectivity problems with XTRA via Netgate? > > Telecom CTM report major DOS attack :-( > > Regards > > Peter Mott > Chief Enthusiast > 2day.com > -/- > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > > --------- > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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late DEW - 4q2k
by bmanning＠flag.ep.net 29 Sep '00

29 Sep '00

Hi, I appologize for duplicates. Its almost time for the next quarterly walk of the inverse tree of the DNS. Since 1997, I've been walking the in-addr tree looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. The expectation is that they will be the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. Past data may be viewed at: http://www.isi.edu/~bmanning/in-addr-audit.html --bill 310.322.8102 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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My most sincere apologies for my last email
by Russell Sharpe 29 Sep '00

29 Sep '00

Please accept my most sincere apologies for my last email. I in inadvertently posted an email to nznog that was destined to a friend that was sent to me. I will endeavour not to do this again. kind regards Russell Sharpe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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df 311 316 317 322 (zipped)
by Russell Sharpe 28 Sep '00

28 Sep '00

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NZNOG BOF at NetForum?
by Donald Neal 26 Sep '00

26 Sep '00

Could anyone going to NetForum 2000 next week who might be interested in a NZNOG BOF if one were arranged please email me (rather than the list)? Thanks. Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra-Saturn NZIX router
by Sid Jones 24 Sep '00

24 Sep '00

Just a quick heads up to let you all know we've arranged for our router on the HIX to be unplugged, boxed up and sent back to us in Wellington [the ethernet has been shut down for the last few weeks anyway]. to steal a line from http://www.mola.org/mola/10baset.html Peace, were outa here..... -- Sid --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[O/T] T1 -> E1 convertor
by K. Anand Lal 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

I need a T1 -> E1 convertor for carrying out a few tests, and I don't want to spend $9000 to buy one. So far I haven't managed to find anyone in NZ that rents this gear out. Suggestions? Cheers, ----------------------------------------------------------- K. Anand Lal | ph: +64.9.3592767 Senior Network & Systems Engineer | +1.310.7399323 AS7657 | fax: +64.9.3581518 | noc: +64.9.3592708 ----------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: [O/T] T1 -> E1 converter
by Gary Wicks 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

Shameless plug for our company, who can probably provide what you want! We have all sorts of technical equipment for hire, may have what you need or can source it. Call our sales office on 0800 832 473 or email t&msales(a)techrentals.co.nz Also rent computers/network equipment short or long term if anyone is interested, we have supplied major ISP's with servers, etc.... Gary Wicks Managing Director Tech-Rentals NZ Ltd Email: garyw(a)techrentals.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of K. Anand Lal Sent: Friday, 8 September 2000 4:46 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [O/T] T1 -> E1 convertor I need a T1 -> E1 convertor for carrying out a few tests, and I don't want to spend $9000 to buy one. So far I haven't managed to find anyone in NZ that rents this gear out. Suggestions? Cheers, ----------------------------------------------------------- K. Anand Lal | ph: +64.9.3592767 Senior Network & Systems Engineer | +1.310.7399323 AS7657 | fax: +64.9.3581518 | noc: +64.9.3592708 ----------------------------------------------------------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DOMAINZ Review Terms of Reference
by DPF 08 Sep '00

08 Sep '00

I have been asked by ISOCNZ Council to draft up terms of reference for the independent review of DOMAINZ's new DRS or Domain Registration System. As this list would comprise a large proportion of the major agents and users I am seeking feedback on the draft terms before I send them formally to Council next week. Feedback is welcome to the list or direct to me. DRAFT TERM OF REFERENCE OF INDEPENDENT REVIEW The review is to be comprehensive and focus not just on the technical issue of the implementation of the DRS but the entire project from conception to the present day. The reviewer should include sections on, but not feel limited to: - system design - system implementation - risk management - governance - documentation - communications - technical issues - and most importantly recommendations Specific aspects that should be covered (but not limited to) are - final cost vs budgeted cost and reasons for any variations - details of responsibilities between ISOCNZ, DOMAINZ Board, DOMAINZ staff and any contractors including who approved and who recommended key details - A full listing of reported user problems with the new system, the reasons for them, have they been remedied and whether they were foreseeable. The lack of notification of zone changes to especially be covered - Details of consultation and feedback over the entirety of the project and how, if at all, this was fed into the final system. - A clear summary of what the perceived benefits of the new system were to various stakeholders (ISOCNZ, ISPs, Agents and users) and what input the stakeholders had into the fundamental concepts behind the design - What documentation was prepared for users of the systems, including ISPs and Agents, and the adequacy of such documentation The reviewer should at a minimum consult with (including traveling to interview if necessary) the following people and groups - DOMAINZ Board, DOMAINZ staff, ISOCNZ Councillors and Technical Committee, Contractors working on the project, major NZ based ISPs and Agents. Submissions from any interested party (including domain name holders) should also be called for. The principles of natural justice should be adhered to and any allegations or opinions should be put to the other parties concerned for their comment. The reviewer's report will be made public. If there is any evidence which can not legally be made public this should be referred to in the public report, but not detailed. A fuller report, if necessary, which includes confidential information shall go to the DOMAINZ Board only. DPF ________________________________________________________________________ <david at farrar dot com> NZ Usenet FAQs - http://www.dpf.ac.nz/usenet/nz ICQ 29964527 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Remote hands in Santa Clara, California.
by Rob Isaac 04 Sep '00

04 Sep '00

Folks, I've got a colo that needs to be dismantled in Santa Clara, California, USA. I'm having some trouble with the contractors we had arranged to do it, so I'm considering using someone else. Anyone have any clueful friends in the area, or have some contractors they might have used before? TIA. <R>< --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 Aug '00

31 Aug '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just under 170 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the NetForum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in the first week of October. For further details of the conference, see http://www.uniforum.org.nz/netforum/ . Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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MEDIA: Sydney Morning Herald - Telstra Blacklist Story. (fwd)
by Alan Brown 27 Aug '00

27 Aug '00

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:42:56 +0900 From: Glenn Barry <gbarry(a)SYDNEY.NET> Subject: MEDIA: Sydney Morning Herald - Telstra Blacklist Story. Posted just for the record and future reference: http://www.smh.com.au/news/0008/28/bizcom/bizcom1.html ============================= Telstra on black list because of spamming Junk mail over the Net arouses strong passions. Kevin Morrison explores the issues. Telstra has long boasted that it wants to become a major player in the Internet world butmany in cyberspace accuse Telstra of harbouring the Internet community's number one enemy, spammers. "Spam" unsolicited emails have become the vehicle of 21st century snake-oil salesmen, offering various schemes and services, to millions of recipients. Spam clogs up email in-boxes, slows down Internet traffic and overloads the systems of Internet service providers, hence the unpopularity of its perpetrators. "They can really cause havoc because systems get overloaded and it is impossible to get off a spam list, so people get annoyed as the junk can take hours to clear," said one Internet user, who did not want to be named because of concerns that he would be targeted by spammers. Being the telecommunications carrier that transports the spam, Telstra has landed in hot water among the Internet community. Over the past three months Telstra has been among the most unpopular Internet organisations on "anti-spam" information Web site Spamcop (web address http://spamcop.net) "Telstra serves a country of 20 million people and yet it has been the most complained about network for several months. So Telstra has not got a good reputation in the Internet world," the Internet user said. Anti-spam groups such as ORBS and MAPS have formed to fight these rogues of the Net, with a mission to drive them off the Internet. The most effective way to do that is to cut off links to the telecommunications operator that allows spammers to connect to their network. The anti-spam groups have achieved some measure of success. In March US Internet backbone carrier AGIS (Apex Global Internet Services) was forced into bankruptcy after it became an outcast in the Internet community over its refusal to rid its network of spammers. "The anti-spam organisations should not be underestimated," the Internet user said. Last week ORBS temporarily put a black ban on Telstra, which meant that the 200 plus Internet service providers that subscribe to ORBS from around the world would not receive email coming from the Telstra network. Given that Telstra is the largest carrier of Internet traffic in Australia that means a lot of emails sent last week were bounced back to their senders, including messages sent from The Sydney Morning Herald email system to New Zealand-based ORBS administrator Mr Alan Brown. Mr Brown said Telstra had been put on the ORBS black list because of its slowness to disconnect notorious spammers. Mr Brown said Telstra's treatment of two alleged spammers, Mr Phil Basten and Mr Dean Westbury, who are directors of company named Global Web Solutions, had triggered the ORBS action. Telstra spokesman Mr Stuart Gray acknowledged the two men were spammers and that Telstra had cut their connection to its Big Pond service. Despite Telstra claims that the pair were disconnected, Messrs Basten and Westbury were still operating late last week. "They are playing the game of multiple names, multiple identities, and they keep on popping up. But it is hard to know that they are going to be spammers when they first set up," Mr Gray said. The two men are also being watched by the Australian Securities and Investment Commission. "We are monitoring some of the activities of these gentlemen," an ASIC spokeswoman said. However, Mr Basten told the Herald that he was not a spammer and that he and Mr Westbury provided Web-hosting services and programs that allowed customers to bulk mail. He said that some of his customers appeared to be spammers. "We didn't know anything about it. It looks like there are four out of about 100 customers that have been spamming and we had no way of knowing. "The first thing I knew about it was when Telstra closed down our service and that has cost us a lot of money. So I am going to get our lawyers and try and get that money back from Telstra," Mr Basten said. A Telstra spokesman said that they had enough evidence to prove that Mr Basten and Mr Westbury were spammers. Australia's Internet carriers have not been as active as their US counterparts in stamping out spamming. In the US, where spamming activities first started, ISPs have become more active in cutting spammers from their network, issuing heavy fines and strict conditions that customers must adhere to. Both Telstra and Optus claim to have stringent anti-spam policies on their networks, prohibiting users from carrying out "unacceptable Internet behaviour such as spamming." However, Mr Brown said both carriers had been very slow to react to spamming. "Optus have not responded to any complaints that I have made to them. The Cable & Wireless group worldwide has a bad reputation in the Internet community where they are known as Clueless and Witless," Mr Brown said. With the Internet increasingly moving to wireless platforms, such as WAP on mobile phones, spamming is expected to spread even further unless carriers jump on it. With several carriers expected to participate in the mobile Internet space, the choices will increase for spammers. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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