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Discussion list for .nz registry changes
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 19 May '99

19 May '99

Domainz has announced changes which will have a commercial and technical impact for any organisation that registers domain names on behalf of their customers. The changes are described at:- http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/access.htm http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/POB-Customer-id-FAQ.htm 2Day Internet Limited considers there is considerable merit in discussing this topic with other providers before posting any comment to DOMAINZ. Accordingly, we have created a list server for discussion. Any person or organisation with a commercial interest in this topic is invited to subscribe by sending a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with NO subject and the word JOIN in the body. A welcome message with instructions on how to participate will then be sent to you. -- regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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mysteriously large ping times...?
by Joe Abley 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi, Could some kind Telstra-, NetGate- and Xtra-connected people possibly do a couple of traceroutes for me, and mail me the results? I'm seeing some unusually high ping times into these networks, and I suspect that return traffic is coming back by a strange and unusual route. If people could trace to 203.97.1.241 and 203.167.224.1 (and include the address they're tracing from) it would be most appreciated. Probably best not to copy the list tho, unless this is of widespread interest for some peculiar reason :) Thanks, Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contacting people who need to know
by Patrick O'Brien 18 May '99

18 May '99

Peter, > Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I am not sure where this has been stated, but I have *not* stated this. Certainly I cannot supply you Peter with a list of organisations as you seek below -- there are issues of Privacy. > Is DOMAINZ willing to provide us with a list of:- > > * E-mail addresses that regularly submit applications to > 4e-mail.channel(a)domainz.net.nz or registry(a)domainz.waikato.ac.nz > * Host names of computers (other than www.domainz.net.nz) that > regularly access the scripts on domainz.waikato.ac.nz Initial details have been sent to isocnz list, nz nog, and nz.general. I never said that this was the only place it would go. We *are* working on how we do our best to contact as many users of the service that will be affected, as you would expect a service driven organisation to do. However, I did make a committment to get the things "out of the box" for discussion, particularly to the NZNOG by yesterday, Tuesday. I met this committment. I have no issues with the ideas being discussed on one, two or many lists. My problem is that I do not have time to monitor a myriad of lists. It *is* important though that we hear the outcomes of any discussion by next week. This *does* require a formal channel for information to get posted back to Domainz, which is why I've provided a separate e-mail address. I've also asked for some specific information from each Registrar. Again, I do not think that they ought be publishing that kind of sensitive information to a public list. Thus they can use the formal channel provided. For your information I've posted to the NZNOG list and ISOCNZ lists too. Apologies in advance for the cross-posting. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:35 PM To: registry-discuss(a)2day.com Subject: Re: Contacting people who need to know Welcome to people who have joined the list over the last 24 hours. I think it would be great if folk could take some time reading the DOMAINZ documents and considering how the changes will effect their business. Whilst you are doing this, others are joining the list. My original post was to ISOCNZ's list and the NZNOG list. I had hoped DOMAINZ would see its way clear to helping us get people who dont follow either list but it appears Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I have now e-mailed the soa email address for each ISP listed in the back of Netguide magazine. Does anybody have any other ideas on how we can get as many people as possible who may be effected by the registry changes participating here? I am very concerned about those folk who have written scripts to talk to domainz.waikato.ac.nz in the absence of a WHOIS server. NSI made a major snafu when they changed the internic WHOIS without consultation. It made more than a few ISP's and WPP's look bloody silly. Remember if our services are effected by something DOMAINZ does, its us that looks bad, not the registry. I'm not suggesting that anything DOMAINZ is proposing is silly or unreasonable. I am saying people need to be informed so they can plan for the changes. I remain puzzled as to why DOMAINZ would think it OK to advise changes only on its own web site and a few special interest lists. I intend to pick up on the things I think are significant about the changes in about 48 hours time. In the meantime, could I ask that everybody post a short intro message stating who they are / who they represent so others have an idea who is participating. Thanks! regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- ------------------------------------------------------- The registry-discuss list is provided free of charge by 2Day Internet Limited. To unsubscribe send a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with no subject and the word LEAVE in the body. Report problems to postmaster(a)2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 23 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 17 May '99

17 May '99

Members of the NOG, The Domainz website was updated today, with proposals as promised for changes to the the .nz Register. http://www.domainz.net.nz/ Full details can be accessed from the home page, and should be of interest to all Regsitrars. We look forwards to receiving your feedback by Tuesday May 25 by email to, 4changefeedback(a)domainz.net.nz My regards, PATRICK J O'BRIEN Fax: (04) 473-4569 Voice: (04) 473-4567 Mail: P.O.BRIEN(a)DOMAINZ.NET.NZ Web: http://www.DOMAINZ.NET.NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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unixy mirrors
by Joe Abley 16 May '99

16 May '99

Hi all, We have set up a couple of mirrors on ftp.clear.net.nz: ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/debian ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/redhat ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/tsx-11 ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/gnu ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/zebra ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/rfc ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/fyi ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/internet-drafts Most of them are are fully-populated, although some are still filling. Comments and requests welcome. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 13 May '99

13 May '99

Joe, I'm pleased that you see this as the right forum and agree that this is a genuine "operational" issue -- hence my posting. > One issue that has been raised before ...a coherent, machine-readable > interface ... similar to the whois We've just run thru an RFI process, as well as sent the consultant to talk with major Registrars, and some smaller ones too. Interestingly enough, only a couple mentioned the need for a "who is" (Andy Linton was one -- better say that before he reminds me). Most saw a need to get access to specific domain name details around the clock. As I undersatnd it, the web interface provides that capability. We were not able to ascertain what additional information requirement there was, and how a "whois" type service provided that additional information. For instance, here is an "eclectic" we use (apologies, but we are not Unix oriented by any means), http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=domainz.net http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=nominet.org.uk http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=ina.com.au The information is broadly comparable with that provided from the .nz Register, http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER?domain_name=clear.net.nz What precisely is it that the Domainz services do not provide that you feel ought to be provided? Is it the content, is it the form in which it is provided? It makes sense to let us know now as we are redeveloping those systems. If there are key aspects of functionality that we do not provide, then we do need to consider how we go about doing that as part of our current exercise. > What are the chances of getting something like this rolled in to > your next set of changes? On the current proposals signalled for next week, little I suspect. These are targetted at specific address content changes and (hopefully) removal of the duality of name holder/billing addresses. (Strong note that this does *not* mean any change to the name holder's ability to appoint a billing agent and be billed indirectly) > Since you're giving as all months of notice... Did I say that ?-) > there will be plenty of time ... to get a whois server organised, right? :) As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. Notwithstanding, I guess you've got to put together the case as to where the deficiency lies, and the benefits in plugging the percieved gap, soon as you can. Good to hear from you, and looking forward to further input... My reagrds, PAtrick Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:28:45 +1200 From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 08:00:24PM +1200, Peter Mott wrote: > >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" > >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be > forthcoming. > > Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. > Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to _subscribe_ to > in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. This sounds very much like an operational issue involving NZ Network Operators, regardless of the fact that it does not directly involve beer. If we're raising hands, then I would very much like to discuss the interface between registrars and Domainz -- and a "heads up" message to this list does far more for me than a bulletin posted somewhere on the www.domainz.net.nz. One issue that has been raised before, and I would like to raise again: it would be good to see a coherent, machine-readable interface to the domain operator's registry, similar to the whois service at whois.internic.net (but not nearly as broken or hard to parse) or perhaps whois.nic.uk. RIPE-181 is a convenient "standard" format. There is a valid operational need to be able to contact the administrative or technical contact for any zone. Concerns about people walking the DNS and pulling down spam-fodder from the server are valid, but IMHO this is no show-stopper, since (a) it's possible with the existing http interface anyway (b) it's not that hard to limit successive queries from the same client What are the chances of getting something like this rolled in to your next set of changes? Since you're giving as all months of notice to re-code our Domainz interfaces, there will be plenty of idle time for Domainz to get a whois server organised, right? :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Bob Baal 12 May '99

12 May '99

At 22:19 12/05/99 +1200, Joe Abley wrote: >Hi Patrick, > >On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 10:28:54AM +1200, Patrick O'Brien wrote: >> >> I'm pleased that you see this as the right forum and agree that this is a >> genuine "operational" issue -- hence my posting. >> > >If your consultant came and talked to CLEAR, then his questions didn't >filter through to the code monkeys. Maybe we're not a "major Registrar"? >Don't know. > Joe their consultant did talk to us, he spoke to me and Muru. We gave him lots of thoughts about how to progress this but we did not specify a particular way of doing it just suggested that the function should be provided. We gave him enough detail that it took him about 10mins to write it up after the meeting. I did talk to some of the code monkeys before I talked to the consultant and we used the out line document that Julian wrote before his demise, thought I can't remember if I spoke to you about this banana. >Spot on. A consistent interface is what is missing. More importantly an interface that is manipulated by a program not a human. > >That all sounds highly commercial :) If it would help, I am happy for you >to pay me for my 200 lines of shell script :) > > > 1. Benefits > > 1.1. it makes it easier for automated queries, where the results are > inserted into other systems Yes Yes Yes > > >I am hazy on the whole process by which ISPs' requirements for their >interface to the registry are actioned and implemented by Domainz. What >is the procedure? > Its ad hoc. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bob Baal CLEAR Net Email: rbaal(a)clear.net.nz =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 10 May '99

10 May '99

Peter, Thank you. I take your posting to mean that you do not wish to share your "wish list" of improvements with the nznog? > There are quite a few things that could be improved. Sorry that I interpreted your response to infer that you wished to have a forum to air/discuss those views publicly. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 5:20 PM To: Patrick O'Brien Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements >please? When you employ an ISP account manager, offer a reseller agreement written in plain English, and allocate an engineer to discuss the interface with. Until then, I wont be taking anything you say seriously, or spending a cent of my time on it. There is way to much history of all talk and no action. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- -----Original Message----- From: Patrick O'Brien [SMTP:p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:56 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Peter, Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements please? My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:16 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 10 May '99

10 May '99

>Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements >please? When you employ an ISP account manager, offer a reseller agreement written in plain English, and allocate an engineer to discuss the interface with. Until then, I wont be taking anything you say seriously, or spending a cent of my time on it. There is way to much history of all talk and no action. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 10 May '99

10 May '99

Peter, Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements please? My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:16 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 10 May '99

10 May '99

>As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Summit/International Updates
by Sue Leader 10 May '99

10 May '99

Greetings all The collation of results from the Summit held on April 30 is underway. Notice will be sent out as soon as it is completed and ready for your feedback. In the meantime there are all sorts of interesting developments on the International scene and we have a page devoted to those up now which will be updated regularly. If you hear of anything you think should be on the page please email me. You can go via the original Summit page at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html or direct to: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/backgrounders.html Cheers Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

Received: from verdi (unverified [202.37.240.23]) by mail.2day.net.nz (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.0) with SMTP id <B0000941112(a)mail.2day.net.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:53:01 +1200 Message-ID: <01e601be9aba$1dde3910$17f025ca(a)verdi.2day.net.nz> From: "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.net.nz> To: "Patrick O'Brien" <p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz>, <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to _subscribe_ to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

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by None 10 May '99

10 May '99

TAA08188 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:56:58 +1200 Received: from verdi (unverified [202.37.240.23]) by mail.2day.net.nz (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.0) with SMTP id <B0000941112(a)mail.2day.net.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:53:01 +1200 Message-ID: <01e601be9aba$1dde3910$17f025ca(a)verdi.2day.net.nz> From: "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.net.nz> To: "Patrick O'Brien" <p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz>, <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz= > Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to subscribe to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- =20 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, Yes, this is something that we are currently looking at. Separate to the changes we've just been talking about, Domainz is also working on a re-vamp of its web site (no I cannot say when this will get out of the box yet). Within that framework, we *definately* are looking at the use of a number of "Fora". One of them is specifically intended for Registrars -- ISP's if you will. We have chosen a "forum" approach to enable not just announcements, but to provide a more engaging discussion medium (we hope). What do they say about great minds, my regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 7:53 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to subscribe to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, The purpose of the Registrar workshops was not to get down into the minutiae of individual fields nor the timing of changes to templates. We used them to cover some concepts related to the changes. Following the workshops, we deliberately chose not to put details on the Domainz site as to exactly what those changes would be. Rather, in late Feb. we announced that changes were "afoot" and asked folks to keep an eye out (I think you e-mailed us some comment at the time). The purpose of the message today is to alert Registrars that the changes signalled are close to being announced. When I have all the details to hand, then I will publish them, and I've committed to do that by Tuesday next week. The process for signalling change to the template is shown at, http://www.domainz.net.nz/registration/channel.html We notify change by way of the Domainz Newz page, and give time for Registrars to change their systems. To my knowledge, there have been no substantive changes to the template since around May 1997 -- 2 years ago now. Given the scale of these changes (it is more than just a change of the form ID), the time allotted when changes will "kick-in" will be more than 2 weeks. The type of change means considerable change to data held in the .nz Register, and can only be accomplished in a number of steps. Again, details will be published next week, and I do welcome all feedback. Yes, I will positively encourage feedback, the changes are not totally "frozen", there may be some opportunity to finesses and improve their implementation. Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 4:59 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, >and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. I can see nothing on the DOMAINZ site that is a proposal to change the e-mail template. I have spoken to several people who attended your workshops. They have specifically advised no proposal to change the e-mail template was presented. >Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than >just floating ideas for comment. I interpret above to mean you will be publishing the changes without opportunity to have them changed as a result of industry feedback. How many days will there be between the date you publish the changes to when ISP's must have made changes to their systems to use new e-mail template? I need to know this in order to allocate development resource. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 09 May '99

09 May '99

>These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, >and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. I can see nothing on the DOMAINZ site that is a proposal to change the e-mail template. I have spoken to several people who attended your workshops. They have specifically advised no proposal to change the e-mail template was presented. >Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than >just floating ideas for comment. I interpret above to mean you will be publishing the changes without opportunity to have them changed as a result of industry feedback. How many days will there be between the date you publish the changes to when ISP's must have made changes to their systems to use new e-mail template? I need to know this in order to allocate development resource. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than just floating ideas for comment. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 3:29 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information >required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. > >The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we >intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. Are these changes a proposal for comment by ISP's or have decisions already been made? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 09 May '99

09 May '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had 79 subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 09 May '99

09 May '99

>This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information >required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. > >The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we >intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. Are these changes a proposal for comment by ISP's or have decisions already been made? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Dear list members, For your information, we've just posted an update to the Domainz site. You should note that we are about to make some changes to the DOMAIN NAME RECORD (what we colloquially call the "30 fields") This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. My regards, Patrick ************************ The Domainz News pages have now been updated, and can be found at http://www.domainz.net.nz/newsstand/news.html Key areas of interst are 1. Changes to Domain Record ("30 fields") 2. WIPO RFC 4 3. Statistics: Over 32,000 domains registered. My Regards, Maria Arnott Customer Service Voice: 04 473 4567 Fax: 04 473 4569 email: m.arnott(a)domainz.net.nz web: http://www.domainz.net.nz _______________________________________________ List server provided by 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz To remove your address from this list please send a message to board-request(a)domainz.net.nz with LEAVE BOARD in the body. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[paul@vix.com: F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is no longer open for AXFR of COM, NET, or ORG]
by Joe Abley 03 May '99

03 May '99

Just in case anybody cares :) ----- Forwarded message from Paul A Vixie <paul(a)vix.com> ----- Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:12:05 -0700 From: Paul A Vixie <paul(a)vix.com> Subject: F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is no longer open for AXFR of COM, NET, or ORG Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu X-Loop: nanog ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: nobody Subject: F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is no longer open for AXFR of COM, NET, or ORG Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:12:05 -0700 From: Paul A Vixie <vixie(a)bb.rc.vix.com> (sent to the NANOG, IETF, and NAMEDROPPERS lists to catch everybody who cares.) Today we (Internet Software Consortium, Inc) received a verified request from the US-DOC asking that we disable public zone transfers for the COM, NET and ORG zones from now until July 23. This is part of a controlled experiment designed to uncover the actual uses and users of this information. ISC recognizes US-DOC as one of the parties authorized to make such a request, and so we have complied with it as of Mon May 3 14:57:39 1999 (Pacific). All users who have been fetching the COM, NET, or ORG zones from F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET should during this interrim period contact Network Solutions for access. Unless instructed otherwise by US-DOC, IANA, or ICANN, we plan to restore public access to the COM, NET, and ORG zones from F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET during the morning of July 23, 1999. (signed) Paul Vixie (Chairman) Internet Software Consortium ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ Promiscuous Relay Survey (re-test)
by Joe Abley 01 May '99

01 May '99

Hi, Last night I re-ran my promiscuous relay tests on the exact same list of NZ mail relays as I tested last time, in order to see whether there was any improvement. The results, in the same meagre format as before, are: Out of 3791 MX hosts that I tried to use as a relay: January April 269 (7%) 319 (8%) accepted our message, but later bounced it 1208 (32%) 768 (20%) relayed our message Of the messages that were relayed: 929 (76%) 573 (74%) were from hosts named under co.nz 33 (2%) 15 (1%) were from hosts named under net.nz 72 (5%) 52 (6%) were from hosts named under govt.nz 15 (1%) 14 (1%) were from hosts named under ac.nz 22 (1%) 18 (2%) were from hosts named under school.nz 0 (0%) 0 (0%) were from hosts named under iwi.nz 8 (0%) 6 (0%) were from hosts named under gen.nz 38 (3%) 21 (2%) were from hosts named under org.nz 1 (0%) 0 (0%) were from hosts named under mil.nz So! This looks like an improvement. Note that this re-test doesn't cover _all_ existing MX hosts in NZ; just those that were found in January using the methodology previously outlined. I will be running another test shortly which will walk the DNS once again to get a current list of MX hosts, and re-test to find the actual picture right now. Details are at http://www.patho.gen.nz/~jabley/survey.html Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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