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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by Donald Neal 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>>> Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> 29/March/1999 10:18am >>> [...] >> Would this be a good topic for a NOG meeting at Rotorua? >Yes, I would have thought so. Although I am slightly scared of attending >now, given the likely amount of beer that will be apparently forced >down my throat within minutes of entering the bar :) What you need, Joe, is an "open beer relay", which automatically forwards unwanted beer to other beer consumption nodes within reach as defined by some reasonable nearness algorithm. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

Roger De Salis wrote >I have asked the conference organisers to post an informal invitiation >to the list >to hopefully attract all of the nog readers to an informal meeting. > >There is also a great deal going on with WIPO/ICANN, and the hacking >debate within NZ will not go away. I would like to raise both >the issues in an informal meeting. If NOG are going to meet to discuss a peering exchange, it should stick to just that, not venture into other things. Unless of course beer is provided, then it wont matter. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply -Reply
by Donald Neal 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>>> "Tony Wicks" <tonyw(a)iconz.co.nz> 29/March/1999 04:21pm >>> Where do I find the details ( dates etc ) of this Uniforum Meeting ? See http://www.uniforum.org.nz/1999/conf99.html for Uniforum NZ conference information, and http://www.uniforum.org.nz/1999/programme-timetable.html for the timetable. The obvious place to put an NZNOG BOF in the existing timetable would be between 17:30 and 19:30 or so on Friday 16th, but it may well be necessary to start earlier to fit in any serious discussion of an exchange point. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 04:21:00PM +1200, Tony Wicks wrote: >> Where do I find the details ( dates etc ) of this Uniforum Meeting ? > >www.uniform.org.nz Too many beers in the last message header! I doubt you will see many people in unifrom :-) Try http://www.uniforum.org.nz regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by Warwick Glendenning 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

no really for Joe it is B(eer)GP that its the best routing protocol to use it is better than OWMF (open widest mouth first) -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 29 March 1999 10:52 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply >>> Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> 29/March/1999 10:18am >>> [...] >> Would this be a good topic for a NOG meeting at Rotorua? >Yes, I would have thought so. Although I am slightly scared of attending >now, given the likely amount of beer that will be apparently forced >down my throat within minutes of entering the bar :) What you need, Joe, is an "open beer relay", which automatically forwards unwanted beer to other beer consumption nodes within reach as defined by some reasonable nearness algorithm. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>I believe the main stumbling block was that it was not a neutral >exchange. We certainly are very interested in connecting to and >helping to support a neutral exchange in Auckland. Sounds reasonable. How about each provider draws up a list of expectations / requirements and post them to this list? That way we can see what things everybody thinks important, and thus determine what we *must* get right for everybody to get onboard. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Uniforum NZ '99 - Who Goes?
by Donald Neal 27 Mar '99

27 Mar '99

NZNOG People, Roughly how many of you are planning to be at Uniforum NZ next month? Yes, I'm going. I await with interest Roger de Salis' attempt to sell me a VoIP network. But I'm also interested in knowing whether I should be trying to drag along one or more of the IPNet operational staff, and yes, whether organising a BOF of any kind would be worthwhile. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 27 Mar '99

27 Mar '99

Hi. > We recently abandoned this arrangement due to lack of interest from > everyone else, this was very disappointing. I believe the main stumbling block was that it was not a neutral exchange. We certainly are very interested in connecting to and helping to support a neutral exchange in Auckland. -Craig -- Craig Anderson Internet ProLink NZ Limited --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 26 Mar '99

26 Mar '99

>Brendan Black - Network Engineer/Gravity Enforcement Officer, Telecom Internet >Services What does a Gravity Enforcement Officer do in a Telco ? >I know we are mentioned in Joe's list, and I can confirm that we are interested 2DAY is also interested regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Uniforum NZ '99 - Who Goes?
by Robert Gray 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

> Does anyone on the list not owe Joe a beer? :) I believe I may have that honour Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by Joe Abley 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Hi, Much has been bandied around in conversation over the past few months regarding the possibility of establishing a neutral peering point in Auckland. Some points/ideas which have been discussed are: + Location - a recurring idea seems to be the Sky Tower, which is well served by CLEAR and Telecom fibre, and is a good high point for exchange participants who want to haul bits back to their Auckland PoP using unlicenced spread-spectrum radio/DMR. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has approached Sky City about this (yet); + Infrastructure - experiences elsewhere show that a L2 exchange is preferable over a L3 one -- i.e. the exchange infrastructure should be no more than a (switched) layer-2 fabric over which exchange participants can negotiate their own IP-layer arrangements; + Legal/financial - Craig Holmes of Telstra has experience in building (legal) frameworks for international under-sea cable landing, and has confidence that something similar can be set up for internet peering in Auckland; + Sponsorship - Various vendors have expressed an interest in contributing equipment to form the layer-2 exchange fabric; + Agreements - in general, bilateral peering arrangements between individual exchange participants are far more flexible (and far easier to manage/find agreement on) than multilateral exchange-wide peering policies; + Route exchange - by BGP4 through individual bilateral peering arrangements (no route server). Publication of policy is up to individual participants, although a central repository (e.g. in the RADB) might make automated filter generation simpler; + IP Addressing - Bill Manning of ISI has address space available to number exchanges which meet his criteria; this address space would not lie within supernet advertisements of any particular exchange participant, which makes it easy for the route to the exchange network to not be advertised outside NZ; + Operational policy and support - initially at least, best effort, no uptime guarantees; nobody should _depend_ on the exchange fabric for business-critical traffic, but should consider the fact that it works a bonus -- this is all in the interests of getting something working quickly without getting bogged down in service level agreements. This _is_ the Internet, after all :) + Communication - through the NZNOG list, unless people object (in which case we can start another list, somewhere else if necessary); + Measurement - none. If participants are interested in traffic statistics across the exchange, they can sort something out privately; + Privacy - "no snooping the ether". "No messing with other peoples' gear". Note that at this stage no decisions have been made, and these are all just ideas. If there is sufficient support, there would seem to be nothing on this list that couldn't be sorted out in the next few months. This message is a request for involvement for any networking organisation who has interest in participating in an exchange of public IP traffic in Auckland. Organisations which have expressed an interest in Auckland peering (in one form or another, at some point in time, not authoritative, in no particular order, no flames please ;) include: CLEAR ICONZ NetGate Xtra IBM NZ Iprolink Telstra NZ Compass Voyager NetLink KC I presume there are more. Stand up and be counted! Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by Robert Gray 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Joe Abley wrote: > I presume there are more. Stand up and be counted! Love to know more. (That is of course a general statement, not just in regard to this specific issue). I will however continue to sit. Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Strange routing loop to ftp.scott.aq
by Joe Abley 24 Mar '99

24 Mar '99

Hi, Route to ftp.scott.aq has been looping between Telecom and Telstra NZ, although a trace now shows packets disappearing into ComNet: Trace from noc.clix.net.nz (203.167.224.28): Traceroute to ftp.scott.aq (161.65.109.201), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 ba1-atm1-0-1.Auckland.clix.net.nz (203.167.224.1) 0.816 ms 0.636 ms 0.769 ms 2 bi1-atm0-0-2 (203.97.2.241) 2.553 ms 1.461 ms 1.489 ms 3 Serial5-1.nzsx2.Auckland.telstra.net (203.98.4.249) 5.743 ms 4.833 ms 4.869 ms 4 Serial1.nzix.Hamilton.telstra.net (203.98.4.142) 9.774 ms 9.517 ms 9.588 ms 5 comnet.nzix.waikato.ac.nz (140.200.128.57) 12.287 ms 15.640 ms 14.452 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * We now know a route for 161.65.0.0/16 via BGP from Telstra NZ (4763) and via OSPF from 140.200.128.57 (ComNet); we were previously learning a route from Telecom for this via OSPF in Hamilton. Anybody know what is going on? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Cisco 2511
by Tony Wicks 15 Mar '99

15 Mar '99

I have several ( and 33k6 rack modems ) that we no longer have in production, send me an email, and we can work out a deal. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Tuesday, 16 March 1999 18:39 Subject: Cisco 2511 >I'm trying to find two Cisco 2511s to help people in the island of Nuie >get a local ISP business bootstrapped. If anyone has a 2511 that they'd >be willing to sell at a reasonable price then I'd like to hear. > >Thanks, >andy >-- >Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Tel: +64 4 494 6162 >Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand >-- >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Cisco 2511
by Andy Linton 15 Mar '99

15 Mar '99

I'm trying to find two Cisco 2511s to help people in the island of Nuie get a local ISP business bootstrapped. If anyone has a 2511 that they'd be willing to sell at a reasonable price then I'd like to hear. Thanks, andy -- Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Tel: +64 4 494 6162 Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net: They're at it again...]
by Joe Abley 12 Mar '99

12 Mar '99

Cross-posted from the nanog list, because I think it's funny :) ----- Forwarded message from John Fraizer <John.Fraizer(a)EnterZone.Net> ----- Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu X-Sender: tvo(a)pop3.enterzone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:49:53 -0500 To: nanog(a)merit.edu From: John Fraizer <John.Fraizer(a)EnterZone.Net> Subject: They're at it again... Precedence: bulk As if it weren't bad enough that the pointy-haired management types are constantly taking credit for any innovation or improvement we make in our day-to-day duties as the keepers of the bits, our beloved Vice President has now decided to take credit for creating the internet! "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore, Idiot Extraordinare' http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/18390.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ ML.ORG is gone. Check out http://www.EZ-IP.Net - It's *FREE* ------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your *FREE* Parked Domain account at http://www.EZ-Hosting.Com ------------------------------------------------------------------ John Fraizer | __ _ | The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer(a)EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation PGP Key fingerprint = 7DB6 1CA2 DAA6 43DA 3AAF 44CD 258C 3D7E B425 81A8 ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Scheduled Outage Sunday 28th March
by Warwick GLENDENNING 11 Mar '99

11 Mar '99

-----Original Message----- From: bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com [mailto:bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, 12 March 1999 15:54 To: Dennis(a)waikato.ac.nz; warwickg(a)waikato.ac.nz Subject: Scheduled Outage Sunday 28th March Central Park Move From: Terry Bowden(a)IBMNZ on 12/03/99 15:53 ZE12 To: Dennis(a)waikato.ac.nz, warwickg(a)waikato.ac.nz cc: Subject: Scheduled Outage Sunday 28th March This note is to advise of a scheduled outage of IBM Auckland Internet Services. On Sunday 28th March, 8:00 pm, the IBM Internet backbone router, Internet Dial-In Gateway, and Internet Servers will be relocated. All of this equipment will be moved from 385 Queen Street to the IBM site at Central Park, Penrose. During this time, your leased line connection to IBM will not be operational. The equipment will then be reconnected and made operational with target completion time of 4:00am Monday morning 29th March. The time has been chosen to match our scheduled maintenance window. Please advise any users who may be affected by this outage. Regards, Terry Bowden, Network Services Delivery Manager Ph (09) 359-8660 Cell 025-277-1214 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Mar '99

01 Mar '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had 67 subscribers, with the count growing by one or two each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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eCommerce to change traffic patterns?
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

Are all you system architects out there prepared for the increase in national traffic between providers as retail and distribution sectors start bringing their business on-line ( wont even mention voice over ip) Just how big are our pipes carrying traffic between providers in NZ? I know you big access boys are sinking your investment into International IP to meet the demand of residential surfers, but what what your national connectivity? We have just upgraded our primary domestic route to Netgate to 2Mbps to cope with the increased traffic expected from new business over the next 3 months. Is this a topic of interest on a Friday, or is the pub more inviting :-) ? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: limiting smtp message size
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

>Since Peter asked the question I have been snooping around and found that >quite a few >US ISP's operate with 3-5 Meg Limitations. I am feeling very generous now. That would seem a bit light for business to business communication (which most of our traffic is). Ok for Joe Bloggs residential customer perhaps. Our limit of 10Mb is a compromise I guess. Its designed to protect customers from themselves. I have had more than one occasion to pull mail from queues (at the request of the customer) after they discover their DDS or ISDN line is saturated for ages on end :-) regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- -----Original Message----- From: Bob Baal <rbaal(a)clear.net.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Friday, 26 February 1999 14:01 Subject: Re: limiting smtp message size >At 13:34 26/02/99 +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote: >>On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:34:55PM +1300, 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: >> >>> Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by >>> mail exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? >> >>> I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for >>> rejecting a 20Mb email :-) >> >>20MB isn't unreasonable IMO... most people have limits far below this >>(as others have replied) >> > > >Bob > >CLEAR Net > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Bob Baal >CLEAR Net >Email: rbaal(a)clear.net.nz >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: limiting smtp message size
by Olof Olsson 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

> > As Joe says we have a 10Mb limit - we also have a 15Mb limit on the > > mailbox size. > > What do you do when the mailbox exceeds this size, fail all new > messages, or defer them? > > We bounce them, with the bounce-message saying that the customer's mailbox is full. --Olof -- Olof Olsson <oolsson(a)clear.co.nz>, System Architect, CLEAR Net CLEAR Communications Ltd, Private Bag 92143, Auckland, New Zealand --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: limiting smtp message size
by Bob Baal 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

At 13:34 26/02/99 +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote: >On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:34:55PM +1300, 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > >> Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by >> mail exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? > >> I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for >> rejecting a 20Mb email :-) > >20MB isn't unreasonable IMO... most people have limits far below this >(as others have replied) > Since Peter asked the question I have been snooping around and found that quite a few US ISP's operate with 3-5 Meg Limitations. I am feeling very generous now. Bob CLEAR Net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bob Baal CLEAR Net Email: rbaal(a)clear.net.nz =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: limiting smtp message size
by Joe Abley 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

As Joe says we have a 10Mb limit - we also have a 15Mb limit on the mailbox size. I had a complaint about being unable to pass a 50Mb file a couple of days ago! Bob CLEAR Net Ops. On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:34:55PM +1300, 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by mail > exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? > > I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for rejecting a > 20Mb email :-) !We have a 10Mbyte limit for customer mail (and a 5Mbyte limit for mail !to clear.co.nz). !Tell your customer "man split" :) Joe --------- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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limiting smtp message size
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 25 Feb '99

25 Feb '99

Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by mail exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for rejecting a 20Mb email :-) regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: INET'99 Network Training Workshop
by Barry Raveendran Greene 24 Feb '99

24 Feb '99

[FYI - Please pass along to those individuals, institutions, and ISPs would could use the this specialized training.] -----Original Message----- From: Carla Rosenfeld [mailto:carla(a)isoc.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 9:34 AM To: ALAN(a)VM1.MCGILL.CA Cc: carla(a)isoc.org Subject: INET'99 Network Training Workshop Dear Friends- Please forgive the delay in sending a copy of the 1999 Network Training Workshop announcement and application. There are only two more weeks until the deadline. We would appreciate it if you could distribute this to the appropriate individuals as soon as possible. Thank you for your help and support of this valuable program for countries in the early stages of internetworking. Regards, Carla Rosenfeld Manager of Conferences Internet Society ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ INTERNET SOCIETY 1999 Network Training Workshop For Countries in the Early Stages of Internetworking ~ 13-20 June 1999 ~ NOTE: To help ensure the largest possible pool of qualified applicants, recipients of this e-mail message are encouraged to re-distribute, wherever appropriate, this announcement and application, in its entirety, among developing country professionals and those working with development issues in developing countries. For a copy of this announcement, including the application, send e-mail to Workshop-Apply(a)ISOC.ORG. Professionals from around the world will be taught the design, operation, maintenance and management of Internetworks when they attend the Internet Society's (ISOC) 7th Network Training Workshop for Countries in the Early Stages of Internetworking, 13-20 June 1999. More than 1100 previous graduates have performed a vital role in setting up the Internet connections and networks in virtually every country that has connected to the Internet during the past six years. A new cadre of networking professionals will again be taught the technical and operational aspects of establishing and managing their national network infrastructure. The focus of the workshop is to assist countries that are either not yet connected to the Internet or are in the process of developing and enhancing an initial national Internet. For all participants, attendance at the workshop includes attendance at INET'99. Workshop participants will be able to attend the K-12 Workshop or the Developing Countries Networking Symposium, scheduled 21-22 June 1999, at no charge if they pre-register. The workshops are an outgrowth of and build upon the experiences of six similar workshops held during 1993-1998 at Stanford University, U.S.A., Czech Technical University in Prague, Czech Republic, University of Hawaii, U.S.A., McGill University, Montreal, Canada, Petronas Training Center, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and Cité Universitaire, Geneva, Switzerland. GOALS The goals of the workshops are: 1.To train a critical mass of trainer/professionals in network infrastructure, transport, services, and management to be able to support an extension of meaningful Internet-related activities within the countries represented. 2.To identify and share individual and institutional contacts as well as information sources that will assist the process of national development, using international Internet connections. 3.To build robust professional linkages between all participants in the programs so that the mentor-student and colleague-colleague relationships formed during the workshop and conferences will remain strong and of continuing usefulness well beyond the workshop and conference. 4.To increase the level of cooperation among existing projects and activities for establishing public data networks in developing countries. 5.To train people and groups of people who will return to their country and region and who will teach others what they have learned at the workshop. PROGRAM An intensive program of instruction is planned for the workshop, composed of four instructional tracks. Participants attend only one of the four tracks, since the tracks run concurrently. All participants (except those in the National Network Management track) will engage in extensive hands-on training, either setting up a prototype network or using actual Internet resources or both, as appropriate, using the Workshop facilities . The course descriptions below include for each instructional track: 1. Who should attend the workshop. 2. What you need to know to enter the workshop and benefit from it (Prerequisites). 3. What you will learn in the workshop. 4. What you should be able to do after completing the workshop (Goals). TRACK 1: Host-based Internetworking Technology ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ WHO SHOULD ATTEND: Technical staff who are operating or installing a TCP/IP based network and providing TCP/IP based services (such as mail, file, web) to end-users. Those are involved in the establishment and/or operation of an Internet presence, possibly initiating the deployment of a basic national network infrastructure in the country. PREREQUISITES: UNIX use and preferably some UNIX system administration. Some knowledge of, and experience with, computer networks. WHAT YOU WILL LEARN: Techniques for design, set up and operation of a TCP/IP network. Knowledge of routing, network troubleshooting, interior routing protocols, domain name system, providing dial-up connectivity, and TCP/IP application servers such as mail and web. GOALS: To be able to design, set up, and operate a TCP/IP network with a permanent connection to the international Internet, and to provide TCP/IP services to end-users, using primarily PC hardware and Unix. TRACK 2: Backbone Internetworking Technology ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ WHO SHOULD ATTEND: Technical staff who are now or soon will be building or operating a wide area TCP/IP backbone network, likely with international and/or multi-provider connectivity. PREREQUISITES: UNIX use and preferably some system administration. Some knowledge of, and experience with, computer networks, preferably TCP/IP-based. WHAT YOU WILL LEARN: Techniques for design, setup, and operation of a metropolitan, regional, or national TCP/IP dedicated backbone network. Detailed knowledge of routing, network troubleshooting, backbone engineering, interior and exterior routing protocols, domain name system, NIC name and address coordination. The emphasis will be on use of dedicated routing hardware. GOALS: To be able to design, set up, and operate a metropolitan, regional, or national TCP/IP dedicated backbone network, with a permanent connection to the international Internet. TRACK 3: Internet Information Services ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ WHO SHOULD ATTEND: would-be providers of Internet-based information services; also those supporting and training potential information providers on the non-commercial Internet. PREREQUISITES: A good user-level knowledge of the various Internet services such as e-mail and the World Wide Web is highly desirable. No programming skills are required. WHAT YOU WILL LEARN: How to set up and design quality Internet Information services with emphasis on the World Wide Web. Since an important reason for your attendance will be to enable you to pass on your knowledge to others, there will be sessions on how to support and train users and providers of information. Note that this is NOT a programming course. The main topics covered will include: ~ A brief introduction to the Internet and Internet tools ~ Setting up and maintaining quality information services ~ World Wide Web servers ~ World Wide Web clients ~ Search services ~ Caching strategies ~ HTML authoring ~ How to support and train users and providers of information The following will be discussed: ~ Security issues ~ Legal and ethical issues ~ National infrastructure issues An awareness of topics such as the following will be given ~ CGI scripts ~ JAVA ~ Javascript The course is a mixture of presentations and demonstrations with emphasis on hands-on practical experience. You will work in small teams to design and set up web services during the workshop. GOALS: Ability to set up and design quality Internet Information services; ability to support and train users and providers of information. TRACK 4: National Network Management ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ WHO SHOULD ATTEND: Individuals who will have the responsibility for management of a network. The topic of "management" covers technical, operational and business management of national Internet services. PREREQUISITES: Rudimentary familiarity with the Internet, and familiarity with management of information technology at a technical level. WHAT YOU WILL LEARN: Exposure to the aspects of management of a public Internet network on a national scale, including areas of operational and policy management commonly found with Internet development. No technical or hands-on component is included, although the managerial aspects of various technical topics is covered. GOALS: Capability to manage the development of a national public Internet, guiding its development into the role of a cost effective and useful communications resource. Location The workshop activities will be held at San Jose State University in San Jose, California, U.S.A. Participants will be housed at the training facilities during the Workshop and the INET'99 Conference. Working Language The working language of the workshop will be English, good comprehension of spoken and written English will be required of each participant. Some members of the instructional staff will have some degree of proficiency in languages other than English. Dates Participants should plan to arrive at their workshop location on or before 1800 hours on Saturday 12 June, and leave San Jose after 1300 hours on Friday 25 June . Exact arrival requirements may depend on the Track selected. We will notify you of your travel requirements when you are accepted. INET'99 begins at 1800 hours, Tuesday 22 June and ends at 1230 hours on Friday 25 June. ELIGIBILITY The workshop is specifically directed toward the needs of people from developing countries who are playing or will play an important part in introducing and extending public internetworking in their countries and regions. Attendees should be involved in planning to establish or in establishing the Internet's presence in their countries and regions, in institutionalizing its operation, and/or in assisting the country's schools and universities, governmental agencies, local firms, and residents in learning about and exploiting the range of services available through the net. Staff members of international and bilateral technical co-operation agencies, as well as professionals having substantial involvement in international technical assistance activities, are also eligible for admission as space allows. Participants who have attended one or more previous Internet Technology Network Workshops (formerly Developing Countries Workshop) will be considered eligible to attend the 1999 workshop; however, these former participants must apply for a course of study other than subjects studied previously. Their request must be consistent with their responsibilities in a national and/or regional context, and a convincing argument for repeated attendance must accompany the application. This should include a statement of the activities carried out as a result of the previous workshop. Less financial aid will be available for repeat attendees than for first-time applicants. APPLICATION FOR ADMISSION PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMPLETED APPLICATION VIA THE WEB IF POSSIBLE. You might want to use a word processor and then cut and past the text into the web form. The web form is located at <http://www.isoc.org/inet99/ntw_info.shtml#form>. If you are unable to submit via the web, PLEASE SUBMIT BY ELECTRONIC MAIL IF POSSIBLE, using plain text, no attachments. Further submission instructions, fax and postal addresses are at the end of the application. Applicants will be notified of their acceptance to the program and the amount of financial aid, if any, available to them at the end of April. Please note that in this context, the workshop activity includes attendance at the INET'99 Conference. If you are admitted to the workshop, you should NOT register separately for the Conference; that will be done automatically for you. NOTE: Applicants are required to submit some form of *reliable* electronic address (Please make an effort to give an electronic mail address if possible; a reliable FAX number should also be included on your application, and can be used for correspondence if e-mail communication is not possible.) in order to expedite notification of their acceptance as well as any further correspondence. Please be sure that all of the contact information you submit is legible and accurate, or we will not be able to contact you. Visas Every visitor to the United States must have a valid passport in order to obtain the necessary visa from the U.S.A. If you apply to attend the workshop, be prepared to obtain a passport immediately upon receiving an invitation to attend, or sooner if practical, since visa procedures may be lengthy. It is the responsibility of participants to ascertain the visa requirements that apply to them and to obtain any appropriate visas (including transit visas) needed to attend the workshop and the related conference. The Internet Society will assist applicants in this matter by providing visa application information as well as information regarding the Workshop, the Society and its professional goals and activities. Costs The cost of attending the workshop and associated events is U.S. $3,500. Your acceptance may depend on your ability to provide some or all of the funding for the workshop and air transportation. This fee includes: - All tuition and fees for the workshop. - All lodging charges from Saturday, 12 June through Friday, 25 June. - All meal charges for the period starting with dinner on Saturday evening, 12 June through breakfast on Friday morning, 25 June. - Registration at the INET'99 Conference (22-25 June), including those meals and social events included in conference registration. Participants should bring the equivalent of U.S. $50 for airport transfers and departure tax. They may wish to budget approximately U.S.$50-250 for optional travel and other needs and activities (laundry, etc.) from Sunday 20 June through the morning of Friday, 25 June. For some candidates, the Internet Society will provide financial assistance to cover a part or all of each participant's overall expenditures. If you request financial aid for the workshop, please be certain to provide the financial information that will be requested in the application for admission. Financial aid will take the form of either pre-paid airline tickets for travel to and from your workshop location and the INET'99 conference, partial or total coverage of the workshop fee, or both. The overall amount of aid available will be limited. Please make all possible efforts to secure whatever funding is possible from sources known to you. If you are requesting financial aid, please tell us why it is necessary, how you expect to fund part of your expenses, and what efforts you have made and are making to obtain additional aid. Aid from ISOC may depend upon your ability to obtain partial financial support from other sources. Additional Information Specific questions regarding the workshop may be directed to Carla Rosenfeld, Manager of Conferences, by sending e-mail to Workshop-Info(a)ISOC.ORG or sent by postal mail to 1999 Workshop Info, Internet Society, 12020 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 210, Reston, VA, 20191, USA. APPLICATION FOR ADMISSION A. Personal Data ------------------------ FULL NAME: FAMILY NAME (LAST NAME, SURNAME) ONLY: Employer/Organization: Position/Title: Business Address: (not to exceed 40 characters per line) Business Telephone: Fax (if any): Email address (if any): Home Address: (not to exceed 40 characters per line) Home Telephone: At which address would you like to receive your mail? _____ Business _____ Home Which phone number do you prefer we call? _____ Business _____ Home Date of birth (day/month/year): Nationality: Name as it appears on passport or other travel document: Passport number: Country issuing passport: Are you an ISOC member? ----- yes ----- no Your ISOC member number if you know it: Knowledge of English: Please rate your knowledge in these categories: Listening/ Comprehension None Fair Good Excellent Reading None Fair Good Excellent Speaking None Fair Good Excellent Writing None Fair Good Excellent B. Course of Instruction ------------------------ Instructional track applied for (Select only one track; the tracks will run concurrently): [ ] Track 1 Host-based Internetworking Technology [ ] Track 2 Backbone Internetworking Technology [ ] Track 3 Internet Information Services [ ] Track 4 National Network Management Please indicate any specific interests within the area (track) you have chosen: C1. Technical Skills (This section to be completed only for applicants attending Tracks 1 or 2) ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Are you a UNIX user? How much have you used it? 2. Have you been a UNIX system administrator? Describe your experience (length of time, versions, etc.). 3 Have you used/administered TCP/IP networks? Describe. 4. Have you used or run a BBS? Describe. 5. Have you set up UUCP? How many times? Describe. 6. Have you set up modem initialization strings? In what circumstances? How many times? 7. What other operating systems are you familiar with (e.g. MacOS, Appletalk, MS-DOS, Novell Netware, Banyan Vines, VMS, DECNET, etc.), and for how long have you been a user or administrator of each? 8. Have you configured and operated a Domain Name System server? How many zones? 9. Have you configured routing on either dedicated router hardware or a UNIX host? If yes, please list manufacturer/model/software version(s) and protocols routed. C2. Internet Experience (This section to be completed only for applicants attending Track 3) ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Do you have experience in using the following Internet services? (Please qualify your experience using 0 to 5, 0 means no experience and 5 a lot of expertise) [ ] Email [ ] Listserver [ ] News [ ] FTP [ ] Web [ ] Other (specify): 2. Do you have experience running Internet services? (Please qualify your experience using 0 to 5, 0 means no experience and 5 a lot of expertise) [ ] Listserver [ ] News server [ ] FTP server [ ] Web server [ ] Searching/Indexing services [ ] Caching Server [ ] Other (specify): D. Description of Role in National Networking Activities -------------------------------------------------------- Your answers to the questions below will be used to determine whether to admit you to the workshop. Please be sure that your information is sufficiently clear, well organized and adequate for this purpose. 1. A summary of your educational and professional background. 2. A description of your current employer, your position, your duties and responsibilities, and how they relate to current and future data networking activities in your country. 3. A brief description of your computing and networking environment (operating systems, networking software, modems, etc.), including the connectivity of your organization to the Internet and your country's connectivity to the international Internet. 3a. Scope of your institution (check all categories that apply): [ ] Academic [ ] General Research [ ] Government [ ] NGO [ ] International organizations (UNESCO, UNDP, World Bank, etc.) [ ] Commercial [ ] Internet Provider [ ] National Network Support [ ] Special Interest Group Specify________ [ ] Other Specify________ 3b. Approximate number of full time staff at your institution: 4. How your training and current work prepare and qualify you for the track you wish to attend. 5. How you expect to use the knowledge you gain at the workshop and the INET'99 conference after you return to your country. 6. Have you have previously attended Internet Society Workshops for Developing Countries? _____ Yes _____ No If yes, 1. Year and track you attended: 2. A precise description of how you have used the training you have received in the past: 3. The significant advances in networking which have occurred in your country specifically because of your knowledge and effort: E. Financial Information ------------------------ You MUST fill out the following financial information. The cost of the workshop is $3500 1. Are you are requesting any financial aid from the Internet Society (ISOC) for attending the workshop and conference? [ ] No [ ] Yes 2. Will you provide your own airfare? [ ] Yes [ ] No 3. If you are requesting financial aid, please indicate source below: Amount provided by your institution, government, international organizations or personal contribution U.S.$__________ Amount you are requesting from ISOC U.S.$__________ TOTAL Income Required $3,500.00 PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR COMPLETED APPLICATION VIA THE WEB IF POSSIBLE. You might want to use a word processor and then cut and past the text into the web form. The web form is located at <http://www.isoc.org/inet99/ntw_info.shtml#form>. If you are unable to submit via the web, PLEASE SUBMIT BY ELECTRONIC MAIL IF POSSIBLE, using plain text, no attachments. The "Subject" line of the message should contain your surname or family name in the following format: Subject: NTW'99 Application: <family-name> Applications submitted electronically should be sent to: Workshop-Application(a)ISOC.ORG If you are not able to send your application by electronic mail, please return this application by fax or air mail to: Internet Society Network Technology Workshop Internet Society 12020 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 210 Reston, VA 20191-3429 U.S.A. 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