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APRICOT
by Robert Gray 23 Feb '99

23 Feb '99

Me. Just until Wednesday night. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)clear.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 1999 20:43 To: 2Day Chief Enthusiast Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; jabley(a)clear.co.nz Subject: Re: limiting smtp message size On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:34:55PM +1300, 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > Does anybody here limit size of smtp e-mail messages accepted by mail > exchange and if so, what max size (including attachments)? > > I have a customer who thinks that we were being unreasonable for rejecting a > 20Mb email :-) We have a 10Mbyte limit for customer mail (and a 5Mbyte limit for mail to clear.co.nz). Tell your customer "man split" :) Changing subjects completely, is anybody on this list going to Apricot next week in Singapore? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Last Change for APRICOT's Early Bird Discounts!
by Barry Raveendran Greene 17 Feb '99

17 Feb '99

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Tomorrow - Friday Feb 19th - is the last chance for the APRICOT'99 Early Bird Discounts Register today at http://www.apng.org/apricot99 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Specialized and Unique Tutorials! Sign up now for these unique tutorials. Space is limited! "ISP System Administration" by Barbara L. Dijker & Evi Nemeth "Sendmail Configuration and Operation" (Updated for Sendmail 8.9) by Eric Allman "Internet QoS and Traffic Management" by Geoff Huston "Internet Exchanges: The State of the Art" by Bill Manning "Designing Scaleable IP Networks" by Justin W. Newton "Optical Internetworking" by Marty Schulman "VoIP Standards Efforts and Impacts" by Scott Bradner "Routing Policy Specification Language and Analysis Tools" by David Kessens and Cengiz Alaettinoglu "Deploying VPN's and Secure Extranets" by Bruce Perlmutter "Managing Acceptable Use" by Barbara L. Dijker "Promoting Routability" by Philip Smith "Voice and Telephony Over IP" by Drew Freyman "IPv6: The New Version of the Internet Protocol" by Steve Deering "Tools Used at Digex and Verio to Manage Their Networks" by Randy Bush & Ed Kern "Security in All Seven Layers" by Gene Deutsch "Safeguarding The Business Process: E-Commerce Security" by Dr. Kelly Jones "Broadband Wireless Local Loop" by Dewyane Hendricks "Cable Modem Protocols and Technology" by Mark Laubach "APNIC Member Training: Address Policy & Administration" by Anne Lord & Paul Wilson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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PGP Keysigning Party - APRICOT 99, Singapore, March 1-5 1999
by Barry Raveendran Greene 16 Feb '99

16 Feb '99

APRICOT 99, Singapore, March 1-5 1999 PGP Keysigning Party As at most IETF meeting and other regular networking events with sufficient participants, we will be holding a PGP keysigning party during this March's APRICOT/ICANN/APNG/APNIC Meetings & Singapore Linux Conference in Singapore. Quick Facts: ============ Key Submission: Deadline: All keys must be received in the submission email box by Wednesday, 3 March 1999, 18:00 (Singapore Time !) Submission pgp(a)apricot.net email address: Subject: APRICOT PGP KEY Format: Please send your key as normal ASCII text. The keys should NOT be sent as attachments or in any proprietary format (like eg MS Word etc). PGP Formats PGP 2.6 (RSA) and PGP5 (RSA and D/H) Supported Note: Keys sent to any other address or sent with a different subject may not be included in the official Apricot 99 PGP keyring! Event details: Date: Thursday, 4 March 1999 Time: 18:00 - 19:30 Venue: Suntec City Convention City Room MR203 (Level 2) Status: BOF (Birds of a Feather ...) (ie *all* are welcome, as long as your key has been received on time. No APRICOT/SLC etc registration required !) Please check the APRICOT Notice board for any changes in Room and Time ! Instructions for Participants: ============================== 1. Who should attend 1. All people who have a PGP key The PGP Keysigning Party will enable you to obtain additional signatures (among others by noted net- personalities) for your PGP key. 2. All people who have just started to use PGP If you just started using PGP, It is unlikely that your key has been signed by (m)any other PGP users so far. To ensure that your key is trusted by the majority of the PGP users all over the world, you will be interested to have well- known net-personalities (and other people) sign your key. 3. Those who do not have a PGP key yet You will need to: 1. read up on PGP itself 2. create your own PGP key to attend the keysigning party 4. Organizations Many organizations use PGP to sign official announcements etc. Usually these organizations publish their PGP key on the web. As additional security, you may want your key to be signed by other trusted 2. Preparation - extract your public key using one of the following commands (depending on your PGP version): -UNIX PGP 2.6* $ pgp -kxa <your PGP userid> -UNIX PGP 5.* $ pgpk -xa <your PGP userid> -Win95 or other GUI Use the export function to export your implementation key to a text file For more details on the PGP commands refer to the PGP manual - send in your PGP public key. (the PUBLIC KEY!!! Never give out your PRIVATE key to anyone!!) to the submission email address listed above. Please do NOT send the key as an attachment or in any other format but ASCII ARMORED TEXT! You could cut and paste the ascii armored PGP key into the email body if necessary! - write down (print out) your own public key's fingerprint and the Key ID. Under UNIX, you can obtain the key ID and fingerprint using these commands: -UNIX PGP 2.6* $pgp -kvc <your PGP userid> -UNIX PGP 5.* $ pgpk -ll <your PGP userid> -Win95 or other GUI Check the Key Properties (in implementation PGPkeys) Here is an example of a PGP key ID and fingerprint extracted under UNIX (PGP 5.0i): Note: This also lists the signatures on this key, but we need only the first few lines (marked with **): $ pgpk -ll mathias Type Bits KeyID Created Expires Algorithm Use ** sec+ 768 0x25E082BD 1995-11-15 ---------- RSA Sign & Encrypt ** f16 Fingerprint16 = 1A 8B FC D4 93 F1 9A FC BD 98 A3 1A 0E 73 01 65 uid Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> SIG 0x25E082BD 1996-08-22 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)staff.singnet.com.sg> sig 0x101E3A11 1998-02-23 Alfonso B. Carandang <abc(a)epic.net> SIG 0x25E082BD 1996-06-09 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid mathias(a)singapura.singnet.com.sg SIG 0x25E082BD 1995-11-17 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid Mathias Koerber <Mathias_Koerber(a)pobox.org.sg> SIG 0x25E082BD 1995-11-16 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)singnet.com.sg> sig 0x3022C951 1995-12-18 William Allen Simpson <Bill.Simpson(a)um.cc.umich.edu> sig? 0x0DBF906D 1996-03-09 (Unknown signator, can't be checked) sig? 0x579532CD 1995-12-08 (Unknown signator, can't be checked) sig? 0x7B7AE5E1 1995-12-18 (Unknown signator, can't be checked) sig 0x76875905 1995-12-10 Angelos D. Keromytis <kermit(a)forthnet.gr> sig 0x466B4289 1995-12-07 Theodore Ts'o [SIGNATURE] <tytso(a)mit.edu> SIG 0x25E082BD 1995-11-15 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> uid Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)singnet.com.sg> <Mathias_Koerber(a)pobox.org.sg> SIG 0x25E082BD 1995-11-15 Mathias Koerber <mathias(a)koerber.org> 3. At APRICOT, before the PGP keysigning Party - periodically check the noticeboard, where the list of keys submitted for the PGP keysigning party will be posted. Your key must be submitted by the deadline to be called during the keysigning party and included in the official APRICOT PGP keyring. If you submitted your key, and it does not appear on the list, please submit it again before the deadline! 4. At the PGP Keysigning Party itself - Bring along proper PHOTO identification For other participants to sign your PGP key (which is the whole aim of this event), they must be able to verify that the key belongs to you and that you really are who you claim to be. - if you submitted a PGP key for your organization, please bring along identification which proves that you are indeed representing that organization · letter by the president/management etc on their stationery · namecard · company pass etc - obtain the list of submitted keys (this will be provided as a printout at the beginning of the party). - check that YOUR OWN public key is listed on the printout, and check its PGP KEY FINGERPRINT. Check it carefully. The fingerprint must match in *every* character Procedure ========= - During the party, we will one by one read out aloud each PGP key submitted including the KeyID, the attached userIDs (names) and the Key Fingerprint. During this the owner of the key will stand up to be recognized by the crowd. (We may need each key-owner to read their own Key fingerprint etc, unless we manage to rustle up a suitable Voice program to automatically read the keys) - During this, each participant should 1. check that the userid, name, keyid and fingerprint match what is printed on your printout 2. ensure that the person standing up acknowledges the key as his own 3. note which keys checked out ok and which ones haven't - After all keys have been read, you are encouraged to 1. verify the owners' identities by checking their supporting documents (Photo ID) 2. especially carefully verify the credentials for those who want an organization's key signed. 5. After the PGP Keysigning Party - obtain the official APRICOT 99 keyring from http://www.koerber.org/apricot99/ This will be available sometime after the keysigning party. A more detailed announement will be posted on the APRICOT Notice Board. There will be 2 keyfiles, one with only PGP2.6 keys, the other containg all (PGP2.6 and PGP5) keys - decide whose keys you would want to sign (using your notes made during the keysigning party) You should only sign keys if you have *very carefully* verified the key's integrity and the owner's supporting documents (passport etc). If there is any doubt as to a person's identity or ownership of a key, do NOT sign that person's key !! - sign these people's keys with your own PGP PRIVATE KEY, using your PGP software - export/save the signed keys into ASCII files (see the PGP manual) - either send the signed public keys to the keys owner (recommended) or to one of the public PGP keyservers. It is recommended that you send the key to the owner, so that they can decide themselves which signatures to send to the keyservers. - If you had presented your own key, you may want to check the public pgp keyservers periodically to see whether other participants have sent in new signatures for your own key. If so, you may want to obtain you own public key from the server and add it (actually only the additional signatures) to your own keyring. If another participant has sent you your key with a new signature, you will want to add the new signature to your own keyring, and then send the key to the public PGP keyservers. ========== Background ========== What is PGP? PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) is a standard (and a program implementing that standard) providing strong authentication and encryption for email (and other networking applications such as internet phone) using a public key system. Why is PGP important? From the PGP FAQ (http://www.at.pgp.net/pgpnet/pgp-faq/) You should encrypt your e-mail for the same reason that you don't write all of your correspondence on the back of a post card. E-mail is actually far less secure than the postal system. With the post office, you at least put your letter inside an envelope to hide it from casual snooping. Take a look at the header area of any e-mail message that you receive and you will see that it has passed through a number of nodes on its way to you. Every one of these nodes presents the opportunity for snooping. Encryption in no way should imply illegal activity. It is simply intended to keep personal thoughts personal. Xenon <an48138(a)anon.penet.fi> puts it like this: Crime? If you are not a politician, research scientist, investor, CEO, lawyer, celebrity, libertarian in a repressive society, investor, or person having too much fun, and you do not send e-mail about your private sex life, financial/political/legal/scientific plans, or gossip then maybe you don't need PGP, but at least realize that privacy has nothing to do with crime and is in fact what keeps the world from falling apart. Besides, PGP is FUN. You never had a secret decoder ring? Boo! -Xenon (Copyright 1993, Xenon) What is keysigning, and why is it important? Again, see the FAQ: http://www.at.pgp.net/pgpnet/pgp-faq/faq-06.html What is a PGP Keysigning party? A PGP keysigning party is not a party in the sense of celebration. It is unlikely that alcohol will flow or hors d'oevres be passed out. As PGP uses a public key system, it usually is easy to obtain some person's public PGP key (which is required to securely converse with that person or to verify that person's authorship or identity). The usual method for this is to either ask the person directly for their PGP key. Another method is to request it from a public PGP keyserver, which is like a worldwide replicated directory of PGP public keys. More info? You can find more information on PGP at these webpages: PGP Inc.: http://www.pgp.com PGP.net: http://www.pgp.net International PGP Homepage: http://www.ifi.uio.no/pgp/ There is a PGP discussion newsgroup named comp.security.pgp and its FAQ: http://www.at.pgp.net/pgpnet/pgp-faq/ There is a book on PGP published by O'Reilly & Associates: Simson Garfinkel: PGP: Pretty Good Privacy 1st Edition December 1994 1-56592-098-8, Order Number: 0988 430 pages, $29.95 see: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pgp/noframes.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG BOG at Uniforum '99
by Donald Neal 14 Feb '99

14 Feb '99

Joe, I'm due to be there. Must write paper soon, too. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZNOG BOG at Uniforum '99
by Joe Abley 14 Feb '99

14 Feb '99

Hi all, Last year a few of us got together at Uniforum to drink beer^H^H^H^H^H^H^H discuss serious issues, resulting in (amongst other things) this list being a bit more widely used. It was also kind of nice to put faces to e-mail addresses. Just a quick straw-poll - who's thinking about going to Uniforum '99 in Rotorua? Enough to organise a BOF at the bar? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZNOG BOG at Uniforum '99
by Mark Davies 13 Feb '99

13 Feb '99

From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)patho.gen.nz> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:35:25 +1300 > Oh good lord, damn my typing. That's "BOF", not "BOG". And I thought you were implying something :-) Well I am thinking of going to some of it, unfortunately it clashes with another very important event. cheers mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Surplus Equipment
by Robert Gray 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

I know this is not the place to discuss selling/buying surplus network equipment, but (in common with others?) we have collected quite a bit gear which is somewhat specialist in nature and surplus to requirements. In other words Trade and Exchange is not an appropriate outlet. Anyone found a good place to trade such gear? Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Christchurch Recycler details herewith
by Les Chapman 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

G'day all Electronic details for Christchurch PC Recycling company are Molten Metal Christchurch bj(a)molten.org.nz (Brett Hayward) This message is sent via Outlook 2000, if any issues please contact me TTFN Les Chapman mostly a gopher at Swichtec/odtaa/ThincNZ asker of at least half-remarkable questions proudly resident in Canterbury on the Brains Plain elsie(a)stmartins.school.nz bosandals(a)stmartins.school. trouble(a)stmartins.school.nz bufonidae(a)stmartins.school.nz les(a)stmartins.school.nz (pick 'n' mix emailing <G) Phone: +64-3-343-3314(friendly answerperson) Fax: +64-3-343-5100 Dungeon: +64-3-332-9143(moi occasionally) Voicemail: +64-3-332-4998(always) http://www.swichtec.co.nz http://www.intergy.co.nz http://www.electroflash.org.nz http://www.stmartins.school.nz "aibohphobia - fear of palindromes?" "Be Alert - for we need more of them!" "wisdom - is knowing a deja-vu when you stumble across one" "if at first you don't succeed - trier drier grain" "The mind is like a parachute - its useless unless its open" "if something goes without saying - let it! "Schools need curriculum, not technology!" "A woman who tries to emulate men lacks vision" "I wish this BETA guy would stop testing our software!" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APNIC "Policies for Address Space Management in the Asia Pacific Region"
by Joe Abley 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

http://www.apnic.net/policydraft.html --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Surplus Equipment
by Frank March 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

Schools may be interested in good quality equipment which is replaced because of upgrading (ie is still perfectly serviceable or readily repaired). A national consortium of computer recyclers has been set up to channel good quality equipment at minimal cost into schools and not-for-profit organisations (schools are the main emphasis). I am copying this to their mailing list. Briefly AFAIK at present there are just three recyclers: Bob Lye (The Ark) in Auckland; Richard Darton (PCRC) on Wellington and another group in Christchurch (apologies to the folk down there, I dont know who you are). These people are attempting to live from these activities but margins are low so they really appreciate DONATIONS of gear ;) Computer (and other IT equipment) recycling is endorsed as part of the series of initiatives from the Ministry of Education for IT in schools. Another very good contact group is NetDay99.. contacts and information at the web site http://www.netday.net.nz/ NetDay is also backed by the Ministry of Education and many other fine institutions. Netday provides very basic networks for schools (a basic 8 or 16 port hub and Cat 5 cabling) but routers, servers etc etc are badly needed. Frank March Specialist Advisor IT Policy Group, Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington, New Zealand Telephone: +64 4 474 2908; Fax: +64 4 471 2658 (Please note new Fax number) > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Gray [SMTP:bobg(a)clearview.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 8:30 AM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Surplus Equipment > > I know this is not the place to discuss selling/buying surplus network > equipment, but (in common with others?) we have collected quite a bit gear > which is somewhat specialist in nature and surplus to requirements. In > other > words Trade and Exchange is not an appropriate outlet. > > Anyone found a good place to trade such gear? > > Robert Gray > Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand > bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ > Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP at NZIX. Mmm.
by Warwick GLENDENNING 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

>WebFarm blames Ihug for its network becoming inaccessible, because of action Ihug took >following a network attack. But Ihug director Nick Wood doesn't believe the 16-hour outage was >its fault. He says Ihug was being attacked by someone he claims was on the WebFarm network. "We >blocked their network on our router and Waikato's router, for some reason, at NZIX learned the >route." IHUG doesn't directly connect to NZIX. They are behind Telecom's router. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)patho.gen.nz] Sent: Monday, 8 February 1999 01:15 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: BGP at NZIX. Mmm. http://www.idg.co.nz/nzweb/ca6a.html Looks like another good reason to use a routing protocol that can be filtered at NZIX :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had 66 subscribers.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to arrange meetings over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: BGP at NZIX. Mmm.
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 07 Feb '99

07 Feb '99

> Looks like another good reason to use a routing protocol that can be filtered > at NZIX :) But the article said it had only one in a million chance of happening. Apparently the latest version of IOS supports the following: redistribute static odds 1:1000000 ignore-filters -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BGP at NZIX. Mmm.
by Joe Abley 06 Feb '99

06 Feb '99

http://www.idg.co.nz/nzweb/ca6a.html Looks like another good reason to use a routing protocol that can be filtered at NZIX :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ Promiscuous Mail Relay Survey
by Joe Abley 06 Feb '99

06 Feb '99

Hi again, Further to my message on this subject the other day, I decided to send an informational note to postmaster addresses at hosts that I had found to be relays. Some readers of this list will have received copies. Although I have received quite a bit of positive feedback from the notes I sent out, it seems that I have inadvertantly upset some people. If you are one of them, then sorry - I didn't mean to intrude. I have put some information about the survey (and a list of the frequently- asked questions so far) at: http://www.patho.gen.nz/~jabley/survey.html Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ promiscuous relay survey
by Joe Abley 05 Feb '99

05 Feb '99

Last night I performed a crude survey in an attempt to find out something about the proportion of SMTP mail relays which permit promiscuous relaying in NZ. The methodology is by no means flawless, but it might give an idea of the scope of the problem. If anything, the proportion of mail relays which are open is understated, due to: + an incomplete list of mail relays in NZ to check; + a rather nasty SMTP implementation hacked together for this purpose that isn't very flexible and makes various poor assumptions; + mail relays which were broken at the time of the test; + mail relays which _will_ relay my mail back to be counted, but which haven't yet. Anyway, here are the results -- comments welcome! Out of 3751 MX hosts that we tried to use as a relay: + 269 (7%) accepted our message, but later bounced it + 1208 (32%) relayed our message OF the messages that were relayed: + 929 (76%) were from hosts named under co.nz + 33 (2%) were from hosts named under net.nz + 72 (5%) were from hosts named under govt.nz + 15 (1%) were from hosts named under ac.nz + 22 (1%) were from hosts named under school.nz + 0 (0%) were from hosts named under iwi.nz + 8 (0%) were from hosts named under gen.nz + 38 (3%) were from hosts named under org.nz + 1 (0%) were from hosts named under mil.nz I will not publish the list of MX hosts that did or did not permit relaying in this experiment. If you'd like to enquire about whether an MX host that you maintain relayed our message, please contact me directly. Methodology: 1. Zone transfers were performed for the NZ second-level domains co.nz, ac.nz, mil.nz, gen.nz, org.nz, school.nz, iwi.nz, and net.nz. 2. For every key in each of these zonefiles with an NS record, the key was extracted. A unique list of keys with NS records was generated. 3. MX records for each key were harvested from the DNS and a unique list of mail exchangers to be tested was produced. 4. A message with envelope sender jabley(a)patho.gen.nz and envelope recipient relayed(a)patho.gen.nz was sent by connecting to each relay and talking SMTP. Each message contained a random key which was stored in a local database. 5. Every time a message was received with a matching key in the body text and addressed to relayed(a)patho.gen.nz, the local database was updated indicating that the MX host in question permitted the relay. 6. All SMTP connections were made from tardis.patho.gen.nz (203.97.2.226) between 0500, Feb 5 1999 and 1400, Feb 6 1999. 7. MX hosts which specifically (intentionally) permit mail relaying from tardis.patho.gen.nz were excluded from summary reports. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Traceroutes
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 04 Feb '99

04 Feb '99

Hi. > I suspect many of you know of the DIGEX site which allows you to > traceroute (and other things) from a web page [...] My favorite "Address" to use with DIGEX (select "bgp"): regex _MYASNUMBER_ Obtaining a full BGP table dump is left as an exercise for the reader :-) -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The APRICOT Week at a Glance ( Version 1.1 ) - The Asia Pacific Internet Festival of 1999
by Barry Raveendran Greene 02 Feb '99

02 Feb '99

[Apologies for the Duplications] !! Early Bird Sign up ends on 12 Feb! !! !! REGISTER NOW by Going to the on-line to !! !! http://www.apng.org/apricot/apricot.html !! !! and save $50 USD on registration cost !! The APRICOT Week at a Glance ( Version 1.1 ) The Asia Pacific Internet Festival of 1999 Venue: SunTec City Convention Centre, downtown Singapore Dates: 28 February 1999 to 7 March 1999 URL: http://www.apng.org/apricot99 (in English, Japanese, Korean, and Chinese) APRICOT'99 will consist of two days of tutorials (1-2 March 1999) and seminars followed by three days of conferences consisting of concurrent Technical, Business, Education, Policy and other tracks. (3-5 March 1999) In addition to other back-to-back meetings of Asia Pacific Internet organizations APNG, APNIC, APIA, APTLD, and their respective working groups, and other Internet conferences such as Internet World Asia @ Singapore 1999 and Singapore LINUX Conference 1999, APRICOT'99 will be hosting within its conference tracks: * ICANN Meeting, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, the successor organization to IANA. (3 March 1999) * APPLe Policy Track * Women in IT BoF * APNG Education Track * APSIRC WG (Security CERTs and FIRSTs in Asia and Pacific) * Regional Internet eXchange Point (IXP) Update BOF * APIA Business Track In it's tradition of empowering the Internet community, APRICOT'99 will again offer unique tutorials that vital to an ISP's operations. These tutorials are presented by an instructor team that is the top %1 of the ISP Community. Through APRICOT, they are offering the ISP and Telco community knowledge, experience, and information that is not available in any other forum. Some of the material is unique - one time only at APRICOT'99. For example, "Tools Used at DIGEX and Verio to Manage Their Networks" by Randy Bush & Ed Kern, is unique in that the internal network techniques and tools of two US Tier 1 ISPs will be shared with any who come to the tutorial. New and existing ISPs/Telcos can learn from the first hand experience gained from two gurus and apply them to their networks. Here is a list of the APRICOT Tutorials: "ISP System Administration" by Barbara L. Dijker & Evi Nemeth "Sendmail Configuration and Operation" (Updated for Sendmail 8.9) by Eric Allman "Internet QoS and Traffic Management" by Geoff Huston "Internet Exchanges: The State of the Art" by Bill Manning "Designing Scaleable IP Networks" by Justin W. Newton "Optical Internetworking" by Marty Schulman "VoIP Standards Efforts and Impacts" by Scott Bradner "Routing Policy Specification Language and Analysis Tools" by David Kessens and Cengiz Alaettinoglu "Deploying VPN's and Secure Extranets" by Bruce Perlmutter "Managing Acceptable Use" by Barbara L. Dijker "Promoting Routability" by Philip Smith "Voice and Telephony Over IP" by Drew Freyman "IPv6: The New Version of the Internet Protocol" by Steve Deering "Tools Used at Digex and Verio to Manage Their Networks" by Randy Bush & Ed Kern "Security in All Seven Layers" by Gene Deutsch "Safeguarding The Business Process: E-Commerce Security" by Dr. Kelly Jones "Broadband Wireless Local Loop" by Dewyane Hendricks "Cable Modem Protocols and Technology" by Mark Laubach "APNIC Member Training: Address Policy & Administration" by Anne Lord & Paul Wilson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that all room numbers refer to those at the SunTec City - Singapore International Convention and Exhibition Center (SICEC) Date Time Room Event ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MR 204 APNG I18n/XDSL WG (APNG WG SLAP Sunday, 28 0800-1230 cancelled) Feb MR 205 vacant 1300-1800 MR 209 APNG Disability SWG ENABLE'99 Symposium ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0900-1800 MR 208, 209, 8 APRICOT Tutorials 306, 308-314 MR204 APNG AP-ISOC Meeting (unconfirmed) 0800-1230 MR205 APNG APSIRC WG Meeting Monday, 1 Mar MR307 APNG-APTLD Meeting on Internationalisation of the DNS MR 206 APTLD Workshop on DNS Policy 1330-1800 MR 307 APNG General Meeting APNG Chairman's Commission 1830-2130 MR 307 Critical Infrastructure Protection ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0900-1800 MR 208, 209, 8 APRICOT Tutorials 306, 308-314 ICANN Board Committee Meetings Tuesday, 2 0800-1800 MR 204-207 (closed door) Mar 0800-1230 MR 307 APTLD Country Reports Track 1330-1800 MR 307 APTLD Membership General Meeting Evening To be APRICOT Opening Reception determined (unplanned) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Opening and Plenary 0900-0945: MR 201 Keynote: Professor Dave Farber 0945-1300: MR 201 ICANN Open Track Wednesday, 3 1330-1700 MR 205 ICANN Open Track Mar 1330-1700 MR 202,203 2 APRICOT Technical Tracks 1330-1700 MR 208 APRICOT Business Track APRICOT BOF 1800 - 1930 To be - Peering/Exchanges determined - Y2K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Plenary Keynote 0900-1000 MR 205 Chris Moore Van Jacobson Thursday, 4 1030-1700 MR 202,203 2 APRICOT Technical Tracks Mar 1030-1700 MR 208 APRICOT APNG Educational Track APRICOT BoFs 1800 - 1930 To be - iDNS determined - PGP signing - Women in IT BOF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Plenary Keynote Ms Esther Dyson, ICANN 0900-1000 MR 208 Mr Leong Kheng Thai, Director General, Telecommunications Friday, 5 Authority of Singapore Mar 1030-1700 MR 208 APRICOT APPLe Policy Track 1030-1700 MR 202, 203 APRICOT Technical Track 1030-1700 MR 204 APNIC Executive Council Meeting Evening To be APRICOT Social Event(unplanned) determined ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 6 0800-1800 MR 202 APNIC Annual General meeting Mar 0800-1800 MR 201 APIA AGM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Home Page http://www.apng.org/apricot99/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Traceroutes
by Michael Newbery 01 Feb '99

01 Feb '99

I suspect many of you know of the DIGEX site which allows you to traceroute (and other things) from a web page, but I was recently made aware of a whole page of similar sites, allowing traceroutes from almost anywhere in the world. DIGEX has proved most useful in the past in finding oddball misconfigurations, such as routes that go OUT one way and BACK quite another. <http://www.traceroute.org/> <http://nitrous.digex.net> -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 "There were no survivors sir. We'll have to find another test market." --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic
by Warwick GLENDENNING 28 Jan '99

28 Jan '99

> > On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 01:05:11PM +1300, Warwick GLENDENNING wrote: > > We(Waikato) currently still use OSPF on NZIX to collect NZ > routes. And this > > is vital to our traffic metering. A new metering system is > being built to > > use BGP4 to download NZ routes from our traffic provider. > Once this has been > > done, we will be very keen to download NZ routes from major > ISPs on NZIX and > > OSPF can be decommissioned. > > Supposing that a general agreement to move to BGP was made > earlier than > your planned roll-out - presumably as long as Telecom were > able to make > the NZ table available on OSPF to you, your requirements > would be satisifed? > This is true. > There is no particular necessity for us all to speak OSPF, > right? I would > assume that your particular requirements were an issue > between you and your > service provider, and not a general exchange issue. > > Just exploring ideas :) > This is true too. We only provide layer 2 connectivity. ISPs on NZIX don't have to follow some certain routing protocol. It should depend on their interest. But it should be said that Kawaihiko had multiple service providers and NZIX was the place where most of domestic traffic got exchanged. It's why Waikato has used OSPF to collect NZ routes from NZIX. Since Kawaihiko network broke up, we have been trying to build a new way to meter traffic. It will be appreciated very much if Clear can keep OSPF running until we have rolled out the new metering system. Regards Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IOS configuration lint script
by Joe Abley 26 Jan '99

26 Jan '99

[This message has also been posted.] Hi, At various times I have been involved in maintaining routers with lots of (sub)interfaces, and lots of static routes pointing down those subinterfaces. Unfortunately, a simple "show run" on a router produces a listing with all the static routes listed together, and all the subinterfaces listed separately. On a router with a lot of static routes and a lot of connected networks, this becomes a bit of a headache - you end up with static routes hanging around long after the subinterface has been removed, and spring cleaning usually results at least a couple of confused and unhappy users for whom inbound traffic is now spiralling off somewhere else. Even when this kind of configuration is made automatically (from a database which enforces referential integrity), the odd quick-fix static route added at some time might well hang around for years after it has stopped being useful. I have often wished that I could do a "show run" which would group IOS configuration by customer. Now I can! Hooray! Take an IOS configuration file (as tftp'd or rsh'd somewhere, or perhaps retrieved using ciscoconfd) and pass it through this awk script. The configuration will be re-sorted, so that: + most configuration comes first + (sub)interface configuration comes next, with corresponding static routes + all other static routes come next + "end" The static routes corresponding to a connected (sub)interface are hence shown grouped with that subinterface. All static routes that don't point at a connected network are listed separately right at the end, where they can be scruitinised and (if appropriate) removed. Example: The following stripped-down configuration: version 11.1 service timestamps log datetime localtime service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname eg ! clock timezone NZST 12 clock summer-time NZDT recurring 1 Sun Oct 2:00 3 Sun Mar 2:00 enable secret 5 hohoho ! interface ATM5/0 mtu 1500 no ip address no ip route-cache optimum atm ilmi-keepalive 30 atm pvc 999 0 16 ilmi ! interface ATM5/0.2 point-to-point description customer1's network ip address 192.168.24.1 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 502 2 120 aal5snap inarp ! interface ATM5/0.3 point-to-point description customer2's network ip address 192.168.24.5 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 503 2 51 aal5snap inarp ! interface ATM5/0.4 point-to-point description customer3's network ip address 192.168.24.9 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 504 2 52 aal5snap inarp ! interface ATM5/0.5 point-to-point description customer4's network ip address 192.168.24.13 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 505 2 53 aal5snap inarp ! ip name-server 203.97.33.1 ip name-server 203.97.37.1 ip classless ip route 10.1.4.0 255.255.252.0 192.168.24.14 ip route 172.16.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.24.6 ip route 172.18.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.24.2 ip route 192.168.25.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.24.14 ip route 192.168.27.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.24.42 ! line con 0 exec-timeout 0 0 length 20 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 exec-timeout 0 0 password 7 humhumhum length 25 ! end When run through ios-lint.awk, we get: ! generated by cisco_lint.awk ! version 11.1 service timestamps log datetime localtime service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname eg ! clock timezone NZST 12 clock summer-time NZDT recurring 1 Sun Oct 2:00 3 Sun Mar 2:00 enable secret 5 hohoho ! ip name-server 203.97.33.1 ip name-server 203.97.37.1 ip classless ! line con 0 exec-timeout 0 0 length 20 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 exec-timeout 0 0 password 7 humhumhum length 25 ! interface ATM5/0 mtu 1500 no ip address no ip route-cache optimum atm ilmi-keepalive 30 atm pvc 999 0 16 ilmi ! interface ATM5/0.2 point-to-point description customer1's network ip address 192.168.24.1 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 502 2 120 aal5snap inarp ! ip route 172.18.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.24.2 ! interface ATM5/0.3 point-to-point description customer2's network ip address 192.168.24.5 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 503 2 51 aal5snap inarp ! ip route 172.16.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.24.6 ! interface ATM5/0.4 point-to-point description customer3's network ip address 192.168.24.9 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 504 2 52 aal5snap inarp ! interface ATM5/0.5 point-to-point description customer4's network ip address 192.168.24.13 255.255.255.252 atm pvc 505 2 53 aal5snap inarp ! ip route 10.1.4.0 255.255.252.0 192.168.24.14 ip route 192.168.25.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.24.14 ! ! ! The following static routes do not point to a connected interface. ! Some of these might be worth looking at more closely :) ! ip route 192.168.27.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.24.42 ! end Much nicer :) Anyway, sorry about all the bandwidth - script is at: http://www.patho.gen.nz/pub/users/jabley/ios-lint.awk Feedback welcome. Share and enjoy. Joe -- Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> I am not speaking for CLEAR. In fact, Network Architect, CLEAR Net I'm not speaking at all. I'm typing. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP over NZIX
by Warwick GLENDENNING 25 Jan '99

25 Jan '99

Hi Felix Your email implies that you are waiting only for Waikato to implement BGP at NZIX. This does not appear to be a fair call, as no one else on the mailing list that Joe Abley posted to has made any comment on whether they would BGP peer or not at NZIX and especially the largest ISP in NZ Telecom. Regards Warwick -----Original Message----- From: tossan(a)us.ibm.com [mailto:tossan(a)us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 1999 08:19 To: WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz Cc: abley(a)clear.co.nz; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz; lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz; p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz; steve(a)webmasters.co.nz; bpearson(a)telstra.co.nz; colinb(a)nz1.ibm.com; skatta(a)nz1.ibm.com; bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com; cholmes(a)telstra.co.nz Subject: BGP over NZIX IBM Global Network position re peering protocol, as explained earlier in teleconf, is we peer exclusively using BGP-4. We see no nationale in using OSPF to collect and distribute interprovider routes. In fact we have started to use BGP Communities within our global Internet BB to direct routes which previously was done by OSPF, thus further reducing OSPF role. Under the NZIX switching network we wish to pursue BGP peerings with all ISPs there who are capable, including Waikato. We await for Waikato to fully implement its BGP capability. Felix Tossan ---------------------- Forwarded by Felix Tossan/White Plains/IBM on 01/25/99 01:59 PM --------------------------- Warwick GLENDENNING <WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz> on 01/24/99 07:05:11 PM To: "'Joe Abley'" <jabley(a)clear.co.nz>, Warwick GLENDENNING <WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz> cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, "'lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz'" <lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz>, "'p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz'" <p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz>, "'steve(a)webmasters.co.nz'" <steve(a)webmasters.co.nz>, Felix Tossan/White Plains/IBM, bpearson(a)telstra.co.nz, colinb(a)nz1.ibm.com, skatta(a)nz1.ibm.com, bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com, cholmes(a)telstra.co.nz Subject: RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic We(Waikato) currently still use OSPF on NZIX to collect NZ routes. And this is vital to our traffic metering. A new metering system is being built to use BGP4 to download NZ routes from our traffic provider. Once this has been done, we will be very keen to download NZ routes from major ISPs on NZIX and OSPF can be decommissioned. Regards Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BGP over NZIX
by tossan＠us.ibm.com 25 Jan '99

25 Jan '99

IBM Global Network position re peering protocol, as explained earlier in teleconf, is we peer exclusively using BGP-4. We see no nationale in using OSPF to collect and distribute interprovider routes. In fact we have started to use BGP Communities within our global Internet BB to direct routes which previously was done by OSPF, thus further reducing OSPF role. Under the NZIX switching network we wish to pursue BGP peerings with all ISPs there who are capable, including Waikato. We await for Waikato to fully implement its BGP capability. Felix Tossan ---------------------- Forwarded by Felix Tossan/White Plains/IBM on 01/25/99 01:59 PM --------------------------- Warwick GLENDENNING <WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz> on 01/24/99 07:05:11 PM To: "'Joe Abley'" <jabley(a)clear.co.nz>, Warwick GLENDENNING <WarwickG(a)waikato.ac.nz> cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, "'lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz'" <lindsayp(a)agresearch.cri.nz>, "'p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz'" <p.wilson(a)comnet.co.nz>, "'steve(a)webmasters.co.nz'" <steve(a)webmasters.co.nz>, Felix Tossan/White Plains/IBM, bpearson(a)telstra.co.nz, colinb(a)nz1.ibm.com, skatta(a)nz1.ibm.com, bowden(a)nz1.ibm.com, cholmes(a)telstra.co.nz Subject: RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic We(Waikato) currently still use OSPF on NZIX to collect NZ routes. And this is vital to our traffic metering. A new metering system is being built to use BGP4 to download NZ routes from our traffic provider. Once this has been done, we will be very keen to download NZ routes from major ISPs on NZIX and OSPF can be decommissioned. Regards Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic
by Warwick GLENDENNING 24 Jan '99

24 Jan '99

We(Waikato) currently still use OSPF on NZIX to collect NZ routes. And this is vital to our traffic metering. A new metering system is being built to use BGP4 to download NZ routes from our traffic provider. Once this has been done, we will be very keen to download NZ routes from major ISPs on NZIX and OSPF can be decommissioned. Regards Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: BGP over NZIX -comments from Waikato about Joe Ableys posting on this topic
by Warwick GLENDENNING 21 Jan '99

21 Jan '99

For our customers we apply community tags to routes so that customers can differentiate between routes learnt from off-shore BGP peers, and those learnt from within NZ - I would imagine that Telecom can do something similar for you. I would keen to hear Telecom NZ view as they seem to have been very quiet on this topic? Warwick --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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