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Rescue from alligators in the swamp - note from APNIC
by John Tran 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hello all, First, as a general note, it is worth mentioning that there are several staff at the APNIC Secretariat who keenly follow the discussions on NZNOG. Currently, we have been closely following the discussion on the effects of implementing the 'whois privacy' policy on address ranges in use in New Zealand. This email is intended to clarify some of the issues raised, to provide explanations, and to try to identify a path forward. As there have been quite a lot of issues raised, I apologise in advance for the length of this reply. 1) Creating and changing policies --------------------------------- It is not necessary to be a member of APNIC to be involved in the policy making process. Anyone can propose policy changes and take part in the policy discussions. Also, you dont have to attend the meetings to take part. APNIC provides facilities for people not present to take part in discussions while the meetings are actually taking place. In addition, everyone is welcome to join the APNIC mailing lists where policies are proposed and discussed. The main list used to discuss the management of Internet resources is the Policy Special Interest Group (SIG) mailing list. A description of the Policy SIG is available at: http://www.apnic.net/meetings/archive/sigs/policy.html Details of how to subscribe to this and other APNIC mailing lists is available at: http://www.apnic.net/community/lists/ It is highly recommended that anyone holding resources does subscribe to this list (and others) so that they can voice their opinions and give feedback when policies are circulated for comment. You can also find a list of active policies under discussion at: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/ Feedback and participation in developing policies from the NZ community is very much appreciated. 2) Membership fees and criteria for portable allocations and assignments ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The fees for membership can be found here: http://www.apnic.net/member/feesinfo.html The criteria for a minium allocation (/21*) of portable address space are as follows: - the applicant must have used a /23 from their upstream provider or demonstrate an immediate need for a /23; - the applicant must have complied with applicable policies in managing all address space previously allocated to it; - the applicant must demonstrate a detailed plan for use of a /22 within a year; and commit to renumber from previously deployed space into the new address space within one year. [* it is worth noting that the size of the minimum allocation and the criteria for obtaining an allocation were recently lowered from a /20 to a /21 as a result of input and consensus from the community] More information is here: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/add-manage-policy.html#9.3 If you wish to obtain a portable assignment of address space as a multihomed organisation you can apply under the small multi-homing assignment policy. The criteria are: - the requestor must be currently multihomed with provider-based addresses, or demonstrates a plan to multihome within one month; and - agree to renumber out of previously assigned address space. The small multi-homing assignments are available to both members and non-members. 3) National Internet Registries (NIRs) -------------------------------------- APNIC recognises NIRs which operate within certain economies. Prospective NIRs must meet specific criteria and adopt the operational policies detailed in: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/nir-criteria.html and http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/operational-policies-nirs.html 4) Whois database privacy policy -------------------------------------- Details of and the motivations for this policy are documented at: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/prop-007-v001.html In summary, the policy means that all non-portable assignments and non-portable sub-allocations will be private by default. Details of these resources remain registered in the whois database but are just not visible to the public. They can be made visible by the custodian of the allocation object through MyAPNIC, to which all APNIC members have access. 5) Next steps ------------- Under the database privacy policy, all non-portable assignments and non-portable sub-allocations that have not been specifically marked as public have now been made private. However, because some allocations and assignments within certain ranges appear to have been considered 'portable' by default from earlier practices in New Zealand, APNIC will restore the affected ranges from private to public. The ranges in question are: - 202.27.0./16 - 202.36.0.0/16 - 202.37.0.0/16 - 202.49.0.0/16, and - 202.50.0.0/16 Anyone holding addresses from these ranges that they wish to be made private, should contact APNIC helpdesk. The update will be done this week. 6) NZTelecom custodianship -------------------------- In regard to the wider issue of NZTelecom as a custodian of the ranges listed above, APNIC operated in good faith, trying to promote aggregation and provide a clearer framework for the custodianship of address space in New Zealand. That said, clearly there are now major concerns being expressed on this mailing list concerning portability of blocks within these ranges. The APNIC Secretariat will examine the records within these ranges and will work with NZTelecom, affected parties, and the community to find an appropriate solution. The solution will not happen overnight but the process is beginning immediately. Of course, APNIC will keep the New Zealand community fully up to date on the progress of the discussions. The APNIC Secretariat would be happy to assist anyone with concerns. If you want to discuss your concerns with us, please call the helpdesk on +61-7-3858-3188 or send email to <helpdesk(a)apnic.net>. 7) The past and the future -------------------------- Clearly, much of this stems back to a time when the framework for allocating and assigning resources was much less defined than it is today. The RIRs, with the community, are trying to provide a responsible framework for managing resources, both historical and existing resources. Some of you may be aware of the ERX transfer project in which resources in use in this region were previously registered in the ARIN database and are now being transferred to the APNIC database and are now managed by APNIC. More information about this project is available at: http://www.apnic.net/db/erx/ Many other steps are being taken. One such example is the policy recently implemented to support transfers of historical address space: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/prop-006-v001.html Others recently approved by the community, but yet to be implemented are: * Recovery of unused address space: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/prop-017-v001.html * Protecting historical records in the whois database: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/prop-018-v001.html I would strongly urge anyone who is a custodian of Internet resources to read these policies and to contact APNIC if they have any queries. Finally it is worth mentioning that four APNIC staff members will be at the forthcoming NZNOG meeting, and will be happy to meet with people and to provide a forum for discussing these issues. Regards Son ____________________________________________________________________ Resources Services Manager <Son(a)apnic.net> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre phone: +61 7 3858 3100 http://www.apnic.net fax: +61 7 3858 3199 Helpdesk phone: +61 7 3858 3188 email: helpdesk(a)apnic.net Please send Internet Resource Requests to <hostmaster(a)apnic.net> _____________________________________________________________________

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Citynet, TelstraClear, Telecom, Orcon
by Joshua Brady 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Could someone from Citynet, TelstraClear, Telecom, Orcon please contact me off-list please. Regards, Joshua Brady

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IPv6 transit in .nz
by Lincoln Reid 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hi, Is anyone here able to offer international IPv6 transit in New Zealand currently? Ultimately I would like to start publishing AAAA records for some of our infrastructure, which means there is a little more pressure on to provide connectivity more compelling than through a tunnel broker eg. ~500ms, sometimes lossy, sometimes entirely broken. My experience as an end user through a tunnel broker accessing sites with AAAA records like www.apnic.net or www.isc.org is that the performance is often bad enough for me to kill my IPv6 connectivity to maintain sanity. Our requirements are very modest, even a shared 512 kbit is probably fine as long as it works most of the time. If anyone has any pointers get in touch. Cheers, -- Lincoln Reid Systems Engineer LinuxNet - AS18119 lincoln(a)linuxnet.co.nz Phone: +64 4 939 2200 Fax: +64 4 939 2201

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Outage Notifications in a standardised format
by Jamie Baddeley 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hi people, I'm looking the various ways and means I get notified of early warnings/network outages, and I'm thinking that there's got to be a better way. This better way would probably involve an agreed information format (e.g XML, RSS etc) between all parties. Even just a standard email template. I'd be keen to herd a working group to come up with a standard mechanism for telling each other that the smoke has leaked out (or is about to), and that the rubber band fell off. Add some funkiness, and letting customers know would be so much easier. As usual, however, the usefulness of this is proportional to the number of network operators who agree to the standard...This is an open request to TelstraClear and Telecom - are you interested in working together on this? Can I have a show of hands from those in the NOG who'd be keen to work together to draft a standardised way of Outage Reporting. If we can get enough people together, and do some planning between now and February, then doing a BOF at the conference in February would be the way to go. And by all means, if such a standard already exists, then please point me in the direction of it.. Hands up? jamie --

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Request for historical info
by Barry Murphy 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hi, I'm trying to gather some data of prices of the internet for the last 10+ years. What I'm looking for is the following for every year you can remember: Year: Monthly hours: ISP price: Product: ADSL/Dial-up Telecom rental price: Any further historical info would be great too, i.e. when the internet was first introduced as a commercial product in NZ, etc. Please reply off list, I'll be publishing the info and advising at a later stage. Thanks Barry

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RE: [nznog] What characterises an NGN?
by Donald Neal 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Monday, 29 November 2004 12:43 p.m. > To: NZ NOG > Subject: [nznog] What characterises an NGN? > > Wrote a bit about Telecom's NGN variant here: > > http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/C740B2DD592E9EDDCC256 > F58000FBD33 > > I'm curious as to what the NOG thinks of this approach. If I look at: > > http://www.iec.org/online/tutorials/next_gen/ > > an NGN is defined as: > > "The next-generation network seamlessly blends the public switched > telephone network (PSTN) and the public switched data network (PSDN), > creating a single multiservice network. [...]" > > Is it fair to assume that pushing CO functionality to the > network edge > requires an end-to-end managed solution? There seem to be three different questions here. The first concerns what an NGN is. Once upon a time telcos ran phone networks. When they added data services, like X.25, they built separate networks to provide those services. An NGN is about putting together the necessary bits to build a network which carries voice and data over one network instead of several. The pieces tend to include an MPLS core, aggregation devices, and so on. It's tempting to say that they're standard hardware rather than the high-cost proprietary stuff telcos used in the past. But in real life there aren't many really big Junipers outside the carrier space. Anyway, the key point about it is that a telco only has one of it, which provides a range of services. There will be cases where limitations to equipment may dictate how a service can be provided, and others where the telco has some choices. "What the NOG thinks of this approach" may well be influenced by what it is an approach to. It's not clear to me, looking at the article, wha the service is that's being decribed. If the service in question is multipoint VPN's, then it seems to me to make perfect sense that customer routing information has to be shared with the carrier. Otherwise how would the carrier's provider edge routers work out where to send the customer's packets? If the service is point to point tunnelling, that's a different matter. As to whether pushing CO functionality to the network edge requires an end-to-end managed solution, I suspect the real-life answer to be "yes". But with a couple of provisos. The first is that 'end-to-end' for a carrier may not be the same as 'end-to-end' for the customers of the carrier, or for the customers of the customers of a carrier. If a telco is going to sell multiple services over a single piece of wire carrying IP packets, it does make sense for the telco to apply whatever shaping, policing etc, policies it's going to use at the customer premises. I don't immediately see how that could be done without putting a telco-administered box at the customer's premises. But if "A customer can choose to tag their own traffic to the correct QoS value, or Telecom can do this for them in the endpoints", then presumably a customer can mark their own traffic and then have Telecom's box on their premises act simply as Telecom's check that their marking matches whatever the service is supposed to be. The second proviso is really the previous question again. It's quite possible to run lower-quality services over the same, or most of the same infrastructure. I'd be very surprised to see all customers getting the same level of management regardless of what they're paying. All opinions mine only. All comments relate to telco networks in general except where I quote the original article. - Donald Neal Donald Neal |Hydrangea - warning by the Lone Technical Specialist | Ranger's colleague NGN Operations | Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. Conference Our next annual conference is to be hosted by the WAND group in Hamilton on February 2nd to 4th, 2005. That's just over three months away. See http://www.nznog.org/ for more information, including a list of confirmed presenters which keeps growing. We've also confirmed that APNIC are to offer a day of "Internet Resource Management Essentials" training on Wednesday, 2nd February. Look for registration to open next week. Other Meetings See http://auckland.thursdaynightcurry.com/ or http://wellington.thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near Auckland or Wellington. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators, not by most customers. Internet Exchanges See http://www.nzix.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland, Palmerston North and Wellington exchanges, and some information on others under construction. About This Mailing List This list has around 750 addresses subscribed. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. You may choose to receive postings as they come in, or just to receive daily "digests". See the bottom of the page http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog/ to change the form in which you receive postings. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by employees of Alcatel NZ Ltd, Citylink and Telecom. None of these organisations, nor any administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrators remain happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. One way to search the archive is to use google and prefix your search with site:list.waikato.ac.nz . Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Windows 2000/2003 Strangeness
by Geraint Jones 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Go gently on me this is probably considered off topic but I can think of nowhere else to post this hardware background : I have 2 windows boxes and a Linux box connected to my internal LAN and to the internet, all 3 have 2 nic's problem : the windows boxes disappear from the internet intermittently for 2 mins or so every now and then and suddenly come back, there is nothing in the event logs' the boxes just disappear for a bit. however the Linux box stays visible all the time. all 3 machines are connected via the same router. I can see nothing wrong with any of the servers and this is making me pull my hair out, any thoughts welcome Cheers Geraint

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Prefix update for Maxnet
by Alastair Johnson 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Hello, Please add 203.89.160.0/19 to your prefix-list for maxnet. APE: 192.203.154.86 WIX: 202.7.0.116 ASN: 9889 thanks! aj -- Network Operations || noc. +64.9.915.1825 Maxnet || cell. +64.21.639.706

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RE: [nznog] Hector Protector
by Donald Neal 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

> Simon Lyall wrote: > > Why not just press "Windows logo key"-L ? > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=294317 > > It doesn't bring up a cute Disney/Neverland style > anthropomorphic animal > and only works with Windows XP (and keyboards with a Windows > key, which > admittedly most have nowadays). > > Also, you can't launch it with a biggus marketing campaign either... This thread seems to have exhausted its relevant content. - Donald Neal Donald Neal |Hydrangea - warning by the Lone Technical Specialist | Ranger's colleague NGN Operations | Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Hector Protector
by Peter Macaulay 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Off topic, but be charitable. Netsafe have launched their cybersafety ambassador http://www.netsafe.org.nz/hector_protector/hector_protector_default.aspx Please give it a work out. It is pretty important that they have this right, the last thing we want it to have a kid's safety tool able to be hi-jacked. I am happy to pass on comments. -- Peter Macaulay Executive Director InternetNZ Direct +64 4 495 2113 Skype petermacaulay Mobile +64 21 488 485 -- Peter Macaulay Executive Director InternetNZ Direct +64 4 495 2113 Skype petermacaulay Mobile +64 21 488 485

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The Lycos "anti spam screen saver"
by Juha Saarinen 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/26/lycos_europe_spam_blitz/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4051553.stm Tempting as it may be to fight abuse with abuse... it doesn't seem right. -- Juha

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What characterises an NGN?
by Juha Saarinen 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Wrote a bit about Telecom's NGN variant here: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/C740B2DD592E9EDDCC256F58000FBD33 I'm curious as to what the NOG thinks of this approach. If I look at: http://www.iec.org/online/tutorials/next_gen/ an NGN is defined as: "The next-generation network seamlessly blends the public switched telephone network (PSTN) and the public switched data network (PSDN), creating a single multiservice network. Rather than large, centralized, proprietary switch infrastructures, this next-generation architecture pushes central-office (CO) functionality to the edge of the network. The result is a distributed network infrastructure that leverages new, open technologies to reduce the cost of market entry dramatically, increase flexibility, and accommodate both circuit-switched voice and packet-switched data." Is it fair to assume that pushing CO functionality to the network edge requires an end-to-end managed solution? -- Juha

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Re: Fw: [nznog] Rescue from alligators in the swamp
by Ewen McNeill 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

In message <Pine.LNX.4.56.0411281830110.22205(a)green.darkmere.gen.nz>, Simon Lyall writes: >Currently I can get a domain for less than $US 20 per year and that will >get injected in the "DNS routing table" of every provider in the world. >I fail to see why a block of IP addresses should cost more. (a) scarcity: the number of possible IP addresses (4 billion) is rather less than the number of possible domain names (37 ** 63 per name segment) (b) impact on other people's systems: a DNS delegation just sits quitely on a couple of DNS servers in a corner, minding its own business, until someone happens to ask about it; a prefix advertised into the global routing table ends up occupying space in every router in the world with a "full table" and being shuttled around between them fairly often. More DNS delegations means bigger hardware at Verisign (or whoever); more prefixes (eventually) means bigger hardware for all routers that make up the Internet. 2 ** 24 (all possible /24s advertised) is a big number, even at only 64 bytes per routing entry (2 ** 30 bytes of memory). (c) volume: a block of IP addresses consists of multiple addresses; at the US$1250/year mark, that's over 1000 usable addresses. If you were to get 1000 $20 domain names, it'd cost more than US$1250/year :-) (d) scale: the many millions of .com domain names pay for the registry; the few thousand APNIC members need to pay for APNIC to run With all that said, I do sympathise with those with smaller-than-/22 requirements for whom portability and/or the ability to multihome would be useful. And if there's some appropriate way that smaller applications can be fitted within APNIC's requirements it'd be worth considering. However my recollection of what the University of Waikato was doing was that it was largely making allocations along the lines of the proposed "national internet registry" -- at least from the point of view of those receiving the allocations -- and 10 years later, it didn't turn out quite as smoothly as one might have hoped. So if it is done some thought will need to be given as to how one will ensure the "portable" assignments will remain "portable" for an extended period of time. Ewen

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Rescue from alligators in the swamp
by FX Networks 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Given today's discussion about address space etc, FX Networks is prepared to allocate equivalent address space to any ISP that is affected by this policy. reply to this address offlist if you wish to stop using old swamp space.

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Fw: [nznog] Rescue from alligators in the swamp
by Keith Davidson 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

I agree in principle with Joe, APNIC are pretty easy to deal with, and for any reasonable robuts requirer of numbers, the costs are hardly prohibitive at US$2,000 one-off, plus US$1,250 per annum. But I guess the argument is that some people have a class C or 2 that they pay nothing for currently and would like to continue to pay nothing. As I said in my previous email, InternetNZ would be happy to step up to the plate if there really is a need - but I doubt we'd be in the business of supplying free number blocks. Keith Davidson Joe Abley stated: > As far as I can see, it's APNIC's job, and they're doing it pretty well > already. > > There seem to be a lot of people assuming that APNIC are hard to deal with > (or that the policies are unreasonable) without ever having tried to deal > with them, or to find out what the policies actually are. > > The economics are pretty simple for ISPs and largish multi-homed > companies: you can pay the cost of renumbering every time you change > provider, or you can pay the membership fees at APNIC and obtain > provider-independent resources. Choose the option that suits your budget. > > Regardless of how much someone might think that every two-person company > deserves provider-independent address space, the unfortunate reality is > that this doesn't scale (and the problem is the routing system, not > address space scarcity). > > > Joe

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: Notification of NZRR Database changes (fwd) - Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:57:27 +1300 (NZDT) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411290955550.12055(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- OBJECT BELOW DELETED: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS5767 descr: Route set advertised to AS9560 by Xxx Ltd - AS5767 members: 222.43.45.0/22^22-27 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: asjl(a)lpnz.org mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041129 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 28 Nov '04

28 Nov '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS5767 descr: Route set advertised to AS9560 by Xxx Ltd - AS5767 members: 222.43.45.0/22^22-27 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: asjl(a)lpnz.org mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041129 source: NZRR

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Re: SPF and mail forwarding (was Re: [nznog] Sendmail Question)
by Ewen McNeill 27 Nov '04

27 Nov '04

In message <8AC558B6BC09CD42BCAF3C667E2A88CC0FC838(a)red.IFM.local>, Philip D'Ath writes: >Ewen McNeill writes: >>It would be very helpful if operators that provide a mail forwarding >>service (eg, just about every ISP that provides mail services) were to >>do the forwarding in a SPF-compatible manner. > >Wouldn't it be easier to just get those people using SPF that forward >through an ISP to include their ISPs server in the permitted list (which >is what we do)? Alas, this doesn't solve the problem except if you do what I resorted to doing -- for now anyway -- and say "the mail could come from any mail server I guess" ("?all" at the end of the SPF record). Why? To take an actual recent example, I host the Wellylug mailing list and website. The Wellylug website has a feature whereby users can subscribe to "meeting reminders", sent out by email shortly before the monthly meetings. usera(a)ispa was one address so subscribed. Unfortunately usera(a)ispa actually forwards mail to userb(a)ispb, without rewriting the envelope from address -- unknown to anyone else until the mail bounced because the SPF check failed (due to the message now coming from a mail server which wasn't in the SPF list for the domain in the envelope from). Given N subscribers to such a list, at M ISPs, the list of "mail servers the mail might come from" soon grows without bound, especially if one considers that the mail may be forwarded more than once (and yes, I encounter multiple forwards fairly often). As I said, this "what happens to forwarded mail" issue is the single biggest (and most contraversal) problem with SPF. And given that more sites are doing SPF checks it would be very helpful if more ISPs that provide mail forwarding services to their customers did so in a SPF-compatible way. Ewen PS: You might argue that users subscribing to such services should subscribe their final destination address, rather than one that forwards on to another account. However even ignoring the reasons why one might wish to subscribe an address the forwards somewhere else, the chances of all users acquiring such clue to do so seems... low.

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SPF and mail forwarding (was Re: [nznog] Sendmail Question)
by Ewen McNeill 27 Nov '04

27 Nov '04

In message <001801c4d402$0e7ad2d0$0100000a(a)lennons>, "Lennon - Orcon" writes: >We have SPF and SRS implemented on our email servers and yes it does work. Unfortunately there are also a considerable number of systems (including in New Zealand) which forward mail without rewriting the envelope from address, which is required by SPF. This means that when the mail is forwarded it suddenly appears to be coming from a mail server that isn't authorised to send messages for that domain, which results in it being rejected and bounced back to the originator. I've had to relax the SPF statements for some of the domains that I manage in order to compensate for this problem (changing from "-all" to "?all" -- ie, "won't come from anywhere else" to "umm, I guess you might see it from some others too"). It would be very helpful if operators that provide a mail forwarding service (eg, just about every ISP that provides mail services) were to do the forwarding in a SPF-compatible manner. Something like procmail's approach (forward message on with envelope from of the account triggering the forward) is sufficient -- you don't have to do SPF's convoluted envelope from rewriting if you don't want to. I suspect this issue (mail forwarding) will continue to be the biggest obstacle to widespread SPF adoption for quite some time. Ewen

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RE: SPF and mail forwarding (was Re: [nznog] Sendmail Question)
by Philip D'Ath 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

Wouldn't it be easier to just get those people using SPF that forward through an ISP to include their ISPs server in the permitted list (which is what we do)? In which case, it is more an issue of educating people who use SPF to include all servers, rather than getting every provider to change their email system. -----Original Message----- ... Unfortunately there are also a considerable number of systems (including in New Zealand) which forward mail without rewriting the envelope from address, which is required by SPF. This means that when the mail is forwarded it suddenly appears to be coming from a mail server that isn't authorised to send messages for that domain, which results in it being rejected and bounced back to the originator. I've had to relax the SPF statements for some of the domains that I manage in order to compensate for this problem (changing from "-all" to "?all" -- ie, "won't come from anywhere else" to "umm, I guess you might see it from some others too"). It would be very helpful if operators that provide a mail forwarding service (eg, just about every ISP that provides mail services) were to do the forwarding in a SPF-compatible manner. Something like procmail's approach (forward message on with envelope from of the account triggering the forward) is sufficient -- you don't have to do SPF's convoluted envelope from rewriting if you don't want to. ...

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Sendmail Question
by Dan Clark 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

Hi Guys, Just wondering if anyone has seen the ability to configure sendmail to match from address to the msg id field (after the @) or weather or not it should do this by default. eg: Nov 26 10:55:24 mail sm-mta[15318]: iAPLtBa7015318: from=<forest.stein_rk(a)fyna.com.au>, size=982, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<53fc01c4d339$34ac1af3$45006654(a)africon.co.za>, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[65.126.46.48] I would imagine a hell of alot of SPAM would be returned if our mail server was matching @fyna.com.au with the @africon.co.za and finding that they dont match? I hope I'm on the right track here. Regards Dan Clark

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RE: [nznog] [Inetnum object]
by Donald Neal 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

> David Robb wrote: > > >I just got this from APNIC. Anyone else get one? > > > >My initial reaction is "say WHAT!?" > > > >Are Telecom trying to assert authority over IP space which > I'd like to see > >a whole lot of justification as to why it's "theirs". > > One simple answer is that it long has been, and before that was held by The University of Waikato. That Telecom hold a lot of New Zealand's address space isn't a new issue. (See, for instance, the archive for this list for June 1998.) - Donald Neal Donald Neal |Presbyopia - inability to see what Technical Specialist | bishops are for. Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Inetnum object]
by David Robb 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

I just got this from APNIC. Anyone else get one? My initial reaction is "say WHAT!?" Are Telecom trying to assert authority over IP space which I'd like to see a whole lot of justification as to why it's "theirs". ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hello, It has been brought to our attention that your organisation's maintainer is currently protecting the following resources: inetnum: 202.49.252.0 - 202.49.255.255 <stuff skipped> However NZTelecom has full authority over the following blocks: 202.27.0.0/16 202.36.0.0/16 202.37.0.0/16 202.49.0.0/16 202.50.0.0/16 Therefore as these assignments are from NZTelcom's blocks in one week's time the maintainer protecting these assignments will be changed to the maintainer of NZTelecom. Please approach NZTelecom for further updates required for these assignments. If you have any question regarding this matter please do not hesistate to contact the APNIC helpdesk at: <helpdesk(a)apnic.net> To discuss this matter further in person a staff member of APNIC will be attending NZNOG5 in Hamilton 2 - 4 February 2005. Regards, APNIC Secretariat

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RE: [nznog] Sendmail Question
by Regan Murphy 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

You would probably lose a lot of mail that way. E.g. From: NZRR Database Notifications <rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net> Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <E1CXQJJ-0007Ps-00(a)zoff.wix.net.nz> From: Sun Microsystems <sun-events(a)see.sun.com> Message-id: <0I7P002S8ZMRCO(a)olm-ms2.sun.com> Message-ID: <880B6B3B42770C4E92F35D85732893A0EB910C(a)aklemail01.salesforce.co.nz> From: Fly Buys Service Centre <contactus(a)mailus.co.nz> A lot of mailservers are on subdomains masquerading as the root domain. Also some organisations send mail for different domains (legit ones) from the same mailserver. -- Regan -----Original Message----- From: Dan Clark [mailto:dan(a)scarfies.net] Sent: Friday, 26 November 2004 11:17 a.m. To: 'nznog' Subject: [nznog] Sendmail Question Hi Guys, Just wondering if anyone has seen the ability to configure sendmail to match from address to the msg id field (after the @) or weather or not it should do this by default. eg: Nov 26 10:55:24 mail sm-mta[15318]: iAPLtBa7015318: from=<forest.stein_rk(a)fyna.com.au>, size=982, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<53fc01c4d339$34ac1af3$45006654(a)africon.co.za>, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[65.126.46.48] I would imagine a hell of alot of SPAM would be returned if our mail server was matching @fyna.com.au with the @africon.co.za and finding that they dont match? I hope I'm on the right track here. Regards Dan Clark _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: - Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:24:47 +1300 (NZDT) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411261013430.9968(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: aut-num: AS17705 as-name: NZRR-AS17705 descr: Inspire Net descr: initially peering at '192.203.154.17' descr: see Citylink RT job #1552 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9560 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9560 announce AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041126 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: aut-num: AS17705 as-name: NZRR-AS17705 descr: Inspire Net descr: PNIX peering at '218.100.21.10' descr: see Citylink RT job #1487 descr: APE peering at '192.203.154.17' descr: see Citylink RT job #1552 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9560 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9560 announce AS17705 import: from AS9281 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9281 announce AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041126 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: aut-num: AS17705 as-name: NZRR-AS17705 descr: Inspire Net descr: initially peering at '218.100.21.10' descr: see Citylink RT job #1487 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9281 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9281 announce AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041111 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: aut-num: AS17705 as-name: NZRR-AS17705 descr: Inspire Net descr: initially peering at '192.203.154.17' descr: see Citylink RT job #1552 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9560 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9560 announce AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041126 source: NZRR --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route: 203.114.128.0/19 descr: Route for Inspire Net - AS17705 origin: AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041111 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route: 203.114.128.0/19 descr: Route for Inspire Net - AS17705 origin: AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041126 source: NZRR --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route: 203.96.157.0/24 descr: Route for Inspire Net - AS17705 origin: AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041111 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route: 203.96.157.0/24 descr: Route for Inspire Net - AS17705 origin: AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041126 source: NZRR --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route: 203.79.88.0/23 descr: Route for Inspire Net - AS17705 origin: AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041111 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route: 203.79.88.0/23 descr: Route for Inspire Net - AS17705 origin: AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041126 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS17705 descr: Route set advertised to AS9560 by Inspire Net - AS17705 members: 203.114.128.0/19^19-24, 203.96.157.0/24, 203.79.88.0/23^23-24 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041126 source: NZRR

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Re: [nznog] to xtra.co.nz sysadmins
by admin 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

thanks to everyone who replied. I was told by my ISP to change the ppp MTU from the default of 1514 to 250 a week ago because I was having problems connecting to another machine so I changed it to 512 just now and that enables me to view those sites again and access the other machine. regards to all tom PS I wasn't pointing the finger, I assumed knossos was correct but you're right about not troubleshooting properly, I only looked up the ns for yellowpages, not telecom. my bad :((

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Re: [nznog] to xtra.co.nz sysadmins
by Ewen McNeill 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

In message <5FC2EE64-3EA0-11D9-A37D-000D93B24C7A(a)isc.org>, Joe Abley writes: >On 24 Nov 2004, at 22:11, admin wrote: >> no, orcon told me to use 250 and it seems 1514 is the default in linux. > >The MTU usually depends on the frame size that can be accommodated by >an interface. There is no useful "default" MTU. I seem to remember >hearing from someone that Linux includes the encapsulating frame >headers in its calculations when it interprets an MTU, which would make >1514 make sense for Ethernet. Kind of. That's the first I've heard of that. All the Linux boxes that I administer have a MTU of 1500 (by default, anyway) on their Ethernet interfaces.[0] To the best of my knowledge the MTU figure given to Linux network tools is the same as the MTU figure given to any other OS (ie excluding link layer framing overhead). Some googling turns up several references to "mtu 1514", from various equipment (eg, Cisco loopbacks with a MTU of 1514's, tunnels on various things, PPP interfaces, etc), but it's not clear what made someone consider it a "default".[1][2] There are also various reports of 1514 octet MTUs on ADSL connections (presumably on the interface facing the DSLAM), with various suggestions to change them to other things, including some elaborate "optimisations" based PPPoA or PPPoE overhead and ATM cell tax. 14 octets extra doesn't seem to match PPPoE or PPPoA overhead though. >However, in general, if you reduce your MTU below 1500 bytes you can >expect all the inexpertly-firewalled, pMTUd-enabled servers of the >world to stop sending you packets, sooner or later. Ah, the joys of "I don't know what ICMP is, it sounds dangerous, we'd better block it" firewall administration. Ewen [0] The default MTU on some of the other interface types is different, but a lot of them seem to default to 1500 for Ethernet compatiblity. [1] There are a bunch of people "learnedly" pronoucing that the maximum Ethernet MTU is 1514 but they appear to be deluded; about the only thing which makes some sense is that capturing packets off an Ethernet network with link headers will give you 1514 octet frames (since you don't capture the CRC at the end of the frame), which seems to confuse some people. [2] PPP on a Linux system I tried defaults to 1500 octets, presumably to deal with packets-of-ethernet without fragmentation; but it appears there may be some Linux distributions which ship with PPP defaulting MTU to something else.

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Unable to reach anything but orcon servers on bitstream
by Jonathan Brewer 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

Hi Folks, Following email came to the WellyLUG list and I though the situation might be of interest to the NOG community. Given that Telecom is *the* provider of DSL, and bitstream is *the* unbundled option, issues in switching over customers should be paid close attention to! The customer affected now believes the issue to be related to a profile not being set to the right authentication server. Is anyone else out there successfully using unbundled DSL? How can we find out how many Bitstream customers there are? Cheers, Jon -----Original Message----- From: wellylug-admin(a)lists.wellylug.org.nz [mailto:wellylug-admin(a)lists.wellylug.org.nz] On Behalf Of Simon . Sent: Thursday, 25 November 2004 9:35 a.m. To: wellylug(a)lists.wellylug.org.nz Subject: [wellylug] (OT) Unable to reach anything but orcon servers on bitstream My apologies for the non-linux nature of this post. I think I'm hooked up with Bitstream at home now... I'm not 100% sure, and if you've been waiting for over a month like I have, you'd be sceptical too. My internet connection was severed at about 15:30 on Tuesday, and my ADSL router would only synchronise, but was unable to send ATM packets. This changed when I came home last night, and now I'm able to send ATM packets, yet I'm not able to access anything but orcon servers. Below is an email I've sent to orcon, but their helpdesk is insanely understaffed at the moment. The email has been edited to protect the innocent. If anyone can let me know what the problem might be? I have a feeling my account isnt set up properly on the gateway server, and wont let me access anything further. If I try a traceroute to google, it gets as far as the gateway, and then no further. Cheers, Simon Antliff ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:58:31 +1300 (NZDT) From: Simon Antliff <REMOVED> To: support(a)orcon.net.nz Subject: Unable to reach anything other than DNS/mail server Hello, I rang the Helpdesk yesterday, and left a message regarding my ADSL connection not being able to send anything over ATM. I havent heard back about this. Well, this afternoon I find that I am now able to properly connect my ADSL router to the ISP and my routers diagnostic tests all come back as a pass. I assume that I have been moved to Bitstream, since I now connect at a lower rate than before (320 now, versus 2000 yesterday). However, I cannot access anything outside of Orcon, such as google.com. Pinging google reveals that it is unreachable. So is anything else, other than 219.88.240-246.XXX and I can also ping 210.55.12.1 and 210.55.12.2 which I'm using as DNS servers. The gateway that I'm using (was assigned by DHCP) is 219.88.242.171 I am able to use email, since smtp.orcon.net.nz is 219.88.242.10. If I try to ping www.orcon.net.nz I get the following: >From www.orcon.net.nz (219.88.241.90) icmp_seq=1 Dest Unreachable, Bad Code: 10 Here is a tcptraceroute log for www.orcon.net.nz: Tracing the path to www.orcon.net.nz (219.88.241.90) on TCP port 80, 30 hops max 1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 72.818 ms 71.805 ms 71.999 ms 2 219.88.242.171 (219.88.242.171) 72.126 ms 71.482 ms 72.079 ms 3 fe-colocation-core.nct.orcon.net.nz (219.88.242.244) 71.774 ms 71.445 ms 69.920 ms 4 www.orcon.net.nz (219.88.241.90) [open] 73.935 ms 73.450 ms 75.942 ms Please let me know if you need any more information. --- contact info snipped --- Cheers, Simon. ---- End of message --- _________________________________________________________________ Need more speed? Get Xtra JetStream @ http://xtra.co.nz/jetstream -- Wellington Linux Users Group Mailing List: wellylug(a)lists.wellylug.org.nz To Leave: http://lists.wellylug.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/wellylug

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to xtra.co.nz sysadmins
by admin 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

Hi, Posting here because xtra staff say they have no systems admins :)) I can't access these sites or send mail to telecom.co.nz, whitepages.co.nz or yellowpages.co.nz. all 3 names have similar problems http://www.knossos.net.nz/checkdomain.cgi?domain=telecom.co.nz&submit=Query telecom.co.nz Name servers The following name servers for telecom.co.nz were found in the delegation from co.nz: * ish4.telecom.co.nz, IP address 146.171.13.195 * ish5.telecom.co.nz, invalid host name Authority (SOA) data * Primary name server: ish4.telecom.co.nz, IP address 146.171.13.195 * Contact email address: root(a)ish4.telecom.co.nz * Serial number: 2004112402 (24 Nov 2004) * Secondaries query every 3 hours; retry every 1 hour; expire after 7 days. * Time to live for negative responses: 30 minutes * Time to live of SOA record: 30 minutes Other services No services appear to be assigned to this domain. Additional information indicates an error that can potentially cause access to services to fail. indicates an error that while technically violating standards is unlikely to cause actual problems. No address record for the nameserver ish5.telecom.co.nz could be found. This could be due to the nameserver being removed from service, or bad configuration on another server. If nameserver has been removed from service, it should also be removed from the list of authoritative name servers at the registry for co.nz. The name server ish4.telecom.co.nz is an alias (or CNAME) for smtp1.telecom.co.nz. Name server names are not permitted to be aliases for other names. Remove the CNAME record and replace it with an A (address) record pointing to the IP address of the name server. Alternatively, amend the list of NS records to include smtp1.telecom.co.nz instead of ish4.telecom.co.nz. If the latter course of action is taken, don't forget to update the registry database for co.nz to reflect the change. The list of name servers returned by the nameserver ish4.telecom.co.nz at IP address 146.171.13.195 does not match those listed in the delegation for the domain in the registry for co.nz. (This list is displayed under the ``Name servers'' section above.) Please check the registry data and ensure that it matches the data in the local name servers. The list obtained from ish4.telecom.co.nz is as follows: The name server ish5.telecom.co.nz at IP address did not return SOA data. Please check that this is the correct IP address for the server, and if not, check that the registry for co.nz has the correct data. Only one functioning name server was found. Having only one name server means that any failure of that server will cause names within the domain to become unresolvable. Furthermore, most registries require that a domain have two or more actual functioning name servers. A reverse map (PTR) record for one of the IP addresses referred to could not be found. A PTR record along the lines of the following should be included in the appropriate reverse map domains: 195.13.171.146.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ish4.telecom.co.nz. DNS delegation checking script copyright © Don Stokes 1999-2004. No liability will be accepted for the accuracy or (mis)use of information presented by this facility. Please read the FAQ for more information.

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FW: [sig-policy] APNIC EC endorses policy decisions from APNIC18
by Nurani Nimpuno 22 Nov '04

22 Nov '04

Hi, I thought I'd forward this, as some of the policies below may be relevant to the NZ community. Kind regards, Nurani Nimpuno ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nurani Nimpuno <nurani(a)apnic.net> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) http://www.apnic.net PO Box 2131 Milton Tel: +61-7-3858-3100 Brisbane, QLD 4064, Australia Fax: +61-7-3858-3199 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: sig-policy-bounces(a)lists.apnic.net [mailto:sig-policy-bounces(a)lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of APNIC Secretariat Sent: 22 November 2004 16:49 To: apnic-announce(a)lists.apnic.net; sig-nir(a)lists.apnic.net; sig-policy(a)lists.apnic.net Subject: [sig-policy] APNIC EC endorses policy decisions from APNIC18 [Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, The consensus policy decisions from the 18th APNIC Open Policy Meeting were endorsed by the Executive Council (EC) on November 19th at their regular monthly teleconference. The proposals endorsed by the EC are listed below: [prop-005-v004] - Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) policy for allocation of IPv6 blocks to Regional Internet Registries [prop-021-v001] - Expansion of the initial allocation space for existing IPv6 address space holders [prop-022-v001] - A proposal to abolish redundant charges in IPv6 allocations [prop-025-v001] - Proposal for an IPv6 IRR service at APNIC Details of each policy proposal, presentations, and minutes of the SIG and Member Meeting discussions are available on the policy proposal index page at: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals This is the final stage in the policy development process before implementation. These policies were created in accordance with the policy development process for the Asia Pacific region. More details on this process can be found at the URL below: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/dev/ Regards ______________________________________________________________________ APNIC Secretariat <secretariat(a)apnic.net> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61-7-3858-3100 PO Box 2131 Milton, QLD 4064 Australia Fax: +61-7-3858-3199 --------------------------------------------------------------------- * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy * _______________________________________________ sig-policy mailing list sig-policy(a)lists.apnic.net http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy

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OT - Unix Support Team Leader Position
by Edward Yardley 21 Nov '04

21 Nov '04

Hi All, If anyone is interested in a Unix Support Team Leader Position in Wellington ($ open). Please give me a call on one of the numbers below. Must have experience managing a team and have been a Unix admin/engineer. (04) 499-1276 or 021-509-890 Cheers Edward. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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Palmerston North Internet Exchange
by Andy Linton 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Hopefully we got the sniggering about the PNIX out of the way the other day so I'm pleased to announce the opening of a new Internet exchange in Palmerston North. For more details see http://pnix.nzix.net/ We're also working on other exchanges in other centres and are happy to work with anyone wishing to establish open neutral peering points. As always we encourage widespread peering as a strategy to increase robustness and performance.

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Updaet (2004-11-18)
by Craig Whitmore 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Hi For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) nationally, please update your prefix lists with the following networks (also in attached file). Added: ip prefix-list orcon-national permit 203.86.192.0/20 Regards, Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet Network Operations

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NZNOG 05 - Lightning Talks
by Simon Lyall 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

As part of the process of finalising the NZNOG 05 schedule it's been suggested that perhaps we have a session of lightning talks (it's been mentioned before but this is a semi-official call). Lightning talks are talks/presentations that last no more than 5 minutes. Several of them are usually run one after the other so that multiple speakers and topics can be covered in a short time. Here is a good page on the subject with links so where these have been held before and there are more links at the bottom of this email: http://www.justanotherperlhacker.org/lightning/ Possible topics might be (see also the pages linked in this email): - How to use RPSL with NZIX Route Registry. - Advice for finding IT jobs in NZ. - I'm involved in the X project, here is why it is cool. - I want to do cool project X. Does anyone want to help? - A quick way to clone Linux Servers - Interesting stats from the netflow across my APE link. - Building and maintaining a large and popular file archive while avoiding the lawyers. - Successful Project: I did project X. It was a success. Here's how you could benefit. - Failed Project: I did project X. It was a failure, and here's why. - Heresy: People always say X, but they're wrong. Here's why. - You All Suck: Here's what is wrong with the our community. - View from the Far Side, experiences as an IT journalist. - Call to Action: Let's all do more of X / less of X. - Wouldn't it be cool if X? - IF each ISP were an animal which animal would it be. - Someone needs to do X. - Maintaining router configs using awk - Wish List - How to get and keep portable IP addresses cheap. - Why X was a mistake. - Why X looks like a mistake, but isn't. - What it's like to do X. - Where I think the New Zealand Internet is going. - Here's a useful technique that worked. - Experiences with Juniper vs Cisco. - Here's a technique I thought would be useful but didn't work. - Why you shouldn't ever run qmail. What I would like to do at this point is gauge the interest people have in having and giving these talks at nznog05. Please email me if: - If you are interested in giving one (suggest possible topics). - You would like to suggest a topic that someone else could give a talk on ( Feel free to suggest the person) - You think it's a good/bad idea. - Any other questions or comments. I'll go over the emails (and subsequent followups) in the next few days and give a summary. If we get the numbers then I'll probably do one myself ( either on a topic I choose or something others suggest). Assuming we get at least half a dozen people prepared to give talks then I'll see if I can get us a place in the schedule. This is a good opportunity to get your pet topic out there or perhaps to get some experience with presenting without having to go to a full hour long talk. Some links. Advice on giving Lightning Talks: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/07/30/lightningtalk.html A couple more links: http://www.metaart.org/maca/perl/lightning/lightning_what.html http://perl.plover.com/lt/lightning-talks.html http://www.metaart.org/maca/perl/lightning/lightning_what.html -- Simon J. Lyall. | Very Busy | Mail: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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NZNOG 2005 Progress Report - 16 November
by Donald Neal 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

NZNOG People, We've received a surprising number of late offers to present, some of which we're still working through. That has drawbacks for the organisers, but it's been good to have a high level of interest from presenters, from which a strong technical programme seems to be growing. We're adding the names of presenters as they're confirmed to the conference web site at http://www.nznog.org/ . Expect to see rapid change to that site over coming weeks. In particular, we expect to be opening registration early in December. So you'll have plenty of opportunity to talk to your manager _before Christmas_. - Donald Neal Donald Neal |Presbyopia - inability to see what Technical Specialist | bishops are for. Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: - Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:50:39 +1300 (NZDT) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411161449550.28886(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS64558 descr: Route set for AS64558 members: 203.167.235.0/24, 218.101.2.0/23^23-24, 218.101.4.0/24 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: dion.hallam(a)xtreme.net.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20031030 changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20040217 changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20040930 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS64558 descr: advertised to AS9439 by Xtreme Networks - AS64558 members: 218.101.8.0/24^24-29, 203.167.235.0/24^24-29, 218.101.2.0/23^23-29, 218.101.4.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: dion.hallam(a)xtreme.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 218.101.8.0/24 descr: Route for Xtreme Networks - AS64558 origin: AS64558 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: dion.hallam(a)xtreme.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 218.101.2.0/23 descr: Route for Xtreme Networks - AS64558 origin: AS64558 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: dion.hallam(a)xtreme.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 218.101.4.0/24 descr: Route for Xtreme Networks - AS64558 origin: AS64558 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: dion.hallam(a)xtreme.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: - Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:43:36 +1300 (NZDT) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411161337240.28886(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS7657 descr: Route set advertised to AS9560 by ihug - AS7657 members: 203.109.128.0/17^17-24, 203.173.128.0/17^17-24, 203.118.128.0/18^18-24, 203.96.192.0/19^19-24, 210.55.248.0/21^21-24, 202.49.240.0/22^22-24, 202.50.188.0/22^22-24, 202.21.136.0/23^23-24, 202.36.94.0/23^23-24, 202.36.230.0/23^23-24, 202.49.46.0/23^23-24, 202.49.88.0/23^23-24, 202.49.148.0/23^23-24, 202.49.176.0/23^23-24, 202.49.180.0/23^23-24, 192.107.113.0/24, 202.21.130.0/24, 202.36.44.0/24, 202.49.33.0/24, 202.49.48.0/24, 202.49.63.0/24, 202.49.178.0/24, 202.49.186.0/24, 202.50.84.0/24, 202.50.103.0/24, 202.50.255.0/24, 210.55.110.0/24, 210.55.184.0/24 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20031210 changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20040813 changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20040920 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS7657 descr: advertised to AS9560 by ihug - AS7657 members: 192.107.113.0/24, 202.21.130.0/24, 202.21.136.0/23^23-24, 202.36.44.0/24, 202.36.94.0/23^23-24, 202.36.230.0/23^23-24, 202.37.182.0/24, 202.49.33.0/24, 202.49.46.0/23^23-24, 202.49.63.0/24, 202.49.64.0/24, 202.49.140.0/24, 202.49.148.0/23^23-24, 202.49.176.0/23^23-24, 202.49.178.0/24, 202.49.180.0/23^23-24, 202.49.186.0/24, 202.49.249.0/24, 202.50.84.0/24, 202.50.103.0/24, 202.50.188.0/22^22-24, 202.50.255.0/24, 203.96.192.0/19^19-24, 203.109.128.0/17^17-24, 203.118.128.0/18^18-24, 203.173.128.0/17^17-24, 210.55.110.0/24, 210.55.184.0/24, 210.55.202.0/23^23-24, 210.55.248.0/21^21-24 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 192.107.113.0/24 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.21.130.0/24 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.21.136.0/23 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.36.44.0/24 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.36.230.0/23 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.49.33.0/24 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.49.46.0/23 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.49.63.0/24 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.49.64.0/24 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.49.140.0/24 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.49.178.0/24 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.50.188.0/22 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 203.96.192.0/19 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 210.55.110.0/24 descr: Route for ihug - AS7657 origin: AS7657 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: - Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:16:45 +1300 (NZDT) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411161316250.28886(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 202.7.4.72/29 descr: Route for FX Networks - AS18406 descr: WIX experimental block origin: AS18406 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc-minor(a)fx.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041116 source: NZRR

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RE: [nznog] Notification of NZRR Database changes
by nznog＠asterisk.co.nz 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

> This would be a good place for this thread to stop. > > _Before_ we get to the Asterix jokes. And we lurq here too, so we'd notice. :p And yes, we've tried to buy asterix.co.nz. I havn't asked the store called "Obelisk" in Christchurch if they have the same problem. Regards, Adam ----------------------------------- Adam Boileau <adamb(a)asterisk.co.nz> HOD Engineering Asterisk - www.asterisk.co.nz Office: +64-9-3021777

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Re: [nznog] Notification of NZRR Database changes
by phonenet＠phonenet.in-newzealand.com 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

If its that quiet then maybe someone at Citylink can add my MAC address to their list so I can usae the Cafenet system properly and get back to sending email (as requested by nzwireless crew earlier this week) Ian Cousins >Oh man *groan* - it must be a quiet day in the citylink office .... > > > On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 10:55, Andy Linton wrote: > Juha Saarinen wrote: > > Alastair Johnson wrote: > > > >> Should we be alarmed by this new IX, which can only be pronounced > >> "PENIX"? Did anyone think this through? :) > >> > >> (nb. This appears to be a new Palmerston North based IX, dubbed > >> the PNIX) > > > > > > Please forgive teh Ju\/3n1l3Z for they do not know how to keep a > > straight face... > > > > Oh Alastair, you big APE, sometimes you get on our WIX. When the time comes I > bet you'll knock the CHIX for SIX. >

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the APE and/or WIX route servers so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers, you will maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of APE and/or WIX routes. --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: aut-num: AS17705 as-name: NZRR-AS17705 descr: Inspire Net descr: initially peering at '218.100.21.10' descr: see Citylink RT job #1487 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9281 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9281 announce AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041111 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 203.114.128.0/19 descr: Route for Inspire Net - AS17705 origin: AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041111 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 203.79.88.0/23 descr: Route for Inspire Net - AS17705 origin: AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041111 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route: 203.96.157.0/24 descr: Route for Inspire Net - AS17705 origin: AS17705 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041111 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9281:RS-ROUTES:AS17705 descr: Route set advertised to AS9281 by Inspire Net - AS17705 members: 203.114.128.0/19^19-24, 203.79.88.0/23^23-24, 203.96.157.0/24 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)inspire.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20041111 source: NZRR

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RE: [nznog] Notification of NZRR Database changes
by Donald Neal 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Legge [mailto:gavin(a)dts.net.nz] > Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 11:04 a.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Notification of NZRR Database changes > > Oh man *groan* - it must be a quiet day in the citylink office .... This would be a good place for this thread to stop. _Before_ we get to the Asterix jokes. - Donald Neal NZNOG List Administrator Donald Neal |Presbyopia - inability to see what Technical Specialist | bishops are for. Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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NZNOG Conference 2005 Presenters
by Donald Neal 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

NZNOG People, Everyone who made an offer to present by the end of October should by now have received a response from the organising committee. We're still working our way through one or two later proposals. If we've overlooked anyone, could you please contact me off list as soon as possible. Presenter and programme details should begin to appear on the conference web site in the next few days. Thank you for your attention. - Donald Neal Donald Neal |Presbyopia - inability to see what Technical Specialist | bishops are for. Operations Engineering | Integration & Services Division +----------------------------------- Alcatel NZ Ltd - Telecom's network operations manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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High Class Webcasting
by Richard Naylor 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

If you want to see some high class webcasting check out http://202.8.44.37/mediasitelive30/liveviewer/FrontEnd/Front.aspx?cid=1f5f9… Look at how it does the ppt and video together. Very impressive. Network impact minimal Slides are jpegs and video is 128k MS stuff. (keeps it on topic) price is eye-watering rich

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Fwd: UBS - Message From Hon Paul Swain Minister of Communications
by Chris Hodgetts 04 Nov '04

04 Nov '04

This was sent to an acquaintance of mine and forwarded to me for laughter value. This message had no confidential statement attached, so one assumes that it's open and can be distributed to the recipient wanted to. I hear actually on the Radio this morning that TelstraClear is off to the Commerce Commission. It will be good to track the outcome of that.. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Phillippa Fox <Phillippa.Fox(a)parliament.govt.nz> To: jo(a)archnetnz.com Subject: UBS Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:37:53 +1300 COM04-05/66 Jo Smith jo(a)archnetnz.com Dear Jo Smith Thank you for your email of 17 September 2004 regarding the roll-out of Telecom's unbundled bitstream service (UBS). In particular, your concerns relate to the delay of the provision of this service to the market. In addressing this issue it is important to distinguish between the regulated UBS and the Telecom's commercial UBS. Access to a regulated UBS and corresponding backhaul service to be provided by Telecom was passed into law on 2 September 2004. Under the Telecommunications Act 2001, an Internet Service Provider (ISP) is entitled to apply to the Commerce Commission for a determination of the price and terms and conditions of an Internet grade UBS (with a minimum downstream speed of 256 Kbps) where the applicant is unable to commercially negotiate a satisfactory arrangement. As of today no ISP has applied to the Commission for such a determination. Alongside the regulated UBS, Telecom has on its own initiative offered a commercial UBS to market. The delays to which you refer are in relation to this voluntarily-provided service. The terms of Telecom's commercial UBS are available from Telecom. I understand that Telecom's commercial UBS promised by September has been delayed. Telecom says this is due to a "technical problem" which may take six months to resolve. Given ISPs have invested in marketing products dependent on this service, in the expectation that Telecom would deliver to its announced timeframe, I am concerned about the very short notice Telecom provided to these ISPs of the delay. However, I reiterate, this relates to Telecom's commercial UBS and not the regulated UBS. If an ISP cannot satisfactorily negotiate a commercial UBS, they should apply to the Commission for a determination to provide access to the regulated UBS. You also expressed concern that Telecom is able to advertise its commercial products while Telecom is not providing the service "it has been ordered" to provide and that Telecom is forcing customers into six month contracts preventing them from moving to other cheaper providers. As I explain above, Telecom is not under a legal obligation to provide the service that has been delayed. However, I encourage ISPs to apply for the regulated service if they are not satisfied with the commercial UBS offer. In regard to fixed term offers it is recommended consumers consider the range of offerings in the marketplace before committing to a specific fixed term. Given experiences to date under the Telecommunications Act 2001, I consider that there is potential to make improvements for the more timely achievement of the Act's objective ? the promotion of competition for the long term benefit of end users of telecommunications services. On October 11 2004 I announced a review of the Telecommunications Act 2001. Amongst other things, the review will look at improving the speed of resolution of key terms and conditions for supply of regulated services, including monitoring and enforcement issues, and improving the certainty and speed of processes for adding or altering regulated services. I intend to release a discussion paper in November for comment from interested parties. Yours sincerely Hon Paul Swain Minister of Communications -- Chris Hodgetts <chris(a)archnetnz.com>

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use of open proxies and the Crimes Act
by Stephen Judd 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

Suppose a Bad Person (living in NZ) were to use an open proxy (located in NZ) belonging to a Silly Person (also living in NZ) to do Bad Things (eg leeching international bandwidth, posting nastygrams, etc). Am I right in thinking this would fall under recent amendments to the Crimes Act? If so, I might be making a few calls tomorrow. Stephen

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RE: [nznog] High Class Webcasting
by Steve Schmidt 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

Now that is very cool. A complete presentation including PP slides sync'ed to the speaker. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Naylor [mailto:richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:50 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] High Class Webcasting If you want to see some high class webcasting check out http://202.8.44.37/mediasitelive30/liveviewer/FrontEnd/Front.aspx?cid=1f 5f9f9c-be0d-4848-864c-4da9e5172639 Look at how it does the ppt and video together. Very impressive. Network impact minimal Slides are jpegs and video is 128k MS stuff. (keeps it on topic) price is eye-watering rich _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is intended to be read only by the named recipient(s). It may contain information that is confidential, proprietary or the subject of legal privilege. This information is not to be used by any other person and/or organisation. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise us immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. Do not use any information contained in it.

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ping TCL; received 64 bytes from TCL
by Richard Patterson 02 Nov '04

02 Nov '04

Hey TCL, weren't you supposed to be breaking the intarwebnet today? -Richard

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