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Re: [nznog] IPv6 at APE
by Ewen McNeill 25 May '03

25 May '03

In message <5.2.0.9.1.20030526172452.055d4380(a)mail.igrin.co.nz>, Simon Byrnand writes: >The problem I can see with the introduction of ipv6 is that its such a >fundamental change, a bit like converting an entire country from imperial >to metric, except that you're trying to convert the WHOLE world :) Which sounds bad, except when you realise that the process doesn't require a "flag day", and has been very carefully designed so that it can happen over the course of several years (dual stacks, tunnels, etc). The major thing which is leading to slow progress, IMHO, is the lack of a really compelling need for it. IPv4 + NAT is a 90% solution. (OTOH there's something approaching a compelling need ofr multicasting, and that hasn't exactly happened much since last year either.) I think you're probably right that it'll take a very long time before IPv4 will be completely gone. But there've been plenty of other network protocols and many of them are nearly extinct. ("Native" windows networking is nearly gone -- haven't seen it in ages -- and even IPX is looking endangered (Novell went IP a couple of versions back), without even looking at protocols which were much less widely deployed.) FWIW, I do still keep meaning to experiment some more with IPv6 given some spare time, especially as most (all?) of the operating systems I'm using support IPv6 out of the box (OpenBSD, Linux, Solaris, etc, all support it out of the box these days). Ewen

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Historical netblock allocation data?
by Juha Saarinen 22 May '03

22 May '03

Is there any publicly accessible repository that keeps information as to changes in netblock allocations? That is, noting to whom e.g. 152.152.0.0/16 or whatever was allocated originally, as opposed to whatever the current info happens to say? -- Juha Saarinen

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Clear Dunedin Routing??
by Dan Clark 22 May '03

22 May '03

Hi guys, Is anyone on a local Clear/Telstra Frame anywhere in Dunedin area? Basicly we can see everything apart from another local ISP here in Dunedin on a similar Clear Frame as us. Its weird, we try connecting to port 25 on their IP and it fails, they try the same thing towards us with similar results. If we trace route to each other we get to an auckland clear router, then sent to wellington, then back to auckland in what seems like a loop. Can anyone shed some light on the situation, or if anyone else has a similar Clear POP in Dunedin area? Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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New and unacknowledged Exchange / Win2k SMTP vulnerability?
by Neil Gardner 21 May '03

21 May '03

Hi guys - for the last few weeks I've been working with Microsoft to try and track down why on Earth a correctly configured Exchange 2000 Server has been relaying. All of the standard sites report that it's closed, my own telnetting to it says it's closed, and yes, I've accounted for trojans on the LAN - but we're still going to try unplugging the rest of the LAN at some stage for a while and see what happens. But still, it's relaying. I add the IPs as I see them to a blacklist and it quietens down for a while, and MS keep promising they'll find the problem - but I send them SMTP logs, System and App logs and nothing adds up. All tests show it's closed, and all Logs (and complaining recipients) prove it's open for at least one attacker. Most of the reported sender addresses are in the format SMTPxxxx.YAHOO.COM (where xxxx is a random 4 digit number) But all resolve to chinanet or something. Recently though (today), they have been reporting as just 'exploder' or 'range' This is screaming 'vulnerability' to me, but MS refuse to acknowledge anything. I have heard in the last 20 minutes that a different organisation in Wgtn (with a different integrator) is having exactly the same problem, and that "Telecom is talking to Microsoft about it, but is getting nowhere" - I can't substantiate that yet though. No, the client isn't using an SMTP AV gateway, or firewall, Yes, they should be - and this will may in fact be the straw that broke the Financial Controllers back. But my current question is does anyone know WHAT this attack is, or if there's a configuration workaround I can do short of sticking a non win2k SMTP gateway between the net and Exchange? I can't post the SMTP logs publically because of a confidentiality agreement, but if anyone has an idea and would like to see a sample, please let me know and I'll see if the IT admin of the affected site will allow it. Cheers - Neil G.

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Netforum 2003
by Roger De Salis 20 May '03

20 May '03

/* Early bird registrations close on 30th May, so please make sure you have your bookings in, we only have so much space.. */ The following additional talks have been scheduled for the conference Simon Lyall has kindly volunteered a talk about SPAM from an ISP perspective ----------------------------- - Filtering Products and and technology - Customer expectations - Managing Customer expectations ------------------------------------------------------- David Harris, of Pegasus fame is travelling all the way from Dunedin to talk about spam from the MUA persepctive and join a panel discussion on SPAM, and possible ISP and User solutions(?) to SPAM, which we all know is reaching epidemic proportions..... (should there be a small programming competition, the best 5 line perl program which can generate the most eloquent version of "my name is Enkidei Duee, son of Fred Duee, who has some implausible sum in the bank, and needs.....") ----------------------------------------------------------- David Hawke from Genaware is talking about GIS on Linux, and will no doubt have some comments about Linux on the desktop as opposed to linux in a server environment. ------------------------------------------------------------- KC Claffy from Caida in San Diego has indicated a willingness to join us in Auckland, and talk about some of the stuff CAIDA get up to. ------------------------------------------------------------ The flight simulator demo will include a discussion about the power of the internet to accelerate development, and particularly hooking the display (3-5 projectors) to live telemetry data and radio channels, thus effectively hooking yourself into the cockpit of a 737 currently landing at Auckland Airport. ------------------------------------------------------------ As we get closer to the conference, I shall be sending out small notes weekly to add the various talks and information as it comes to hand.. Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)fx.net.nz </' FX Networks +64 25 481 452 /) Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz (/ ` DSL - the 56k modem technology of 2004

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Sun RAQ's
by Matthew G Brown 20 May '03

20 May '03

Who in NZ distributes Sun's Cobalt range Web Hosting Appliances? Any admins have a good contact ? Best Regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LTD http://www.brh.co.nz

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RE: [nznog] XTRA Primary DNS Funkiness?
by Neil Gardner 19 May '03

19 May '03

Well, after 5 days of constant hassling, someone from Xtra finally rang me back and said they had fixed the TCP query problem on alien, and it does appear to be ok (for me at least) now... They also mentioned off the record that alien was slow this morning but didn't elaborate. They did say they were looking at it though. Cheers - N. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2003 10:47 a.m. To: Neil Gardner; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] XTRA Primary DNS Funkiness? At 17:26 15/05/03 +1200, Neil Gardner wrote: >Hi guys - has anyone noticed anything funky with Xtra's DNS over the >last 2 or 3 days? I have a client that had periodic mail buildups on >outbound SMTP and the error was 'Unable to bind to the destination >server in DNS'. After lots of false starts I got to Xtra DNS... Just checked both Xtra's DNS servers now for other reasons (tracking down an incorrect authorative dns record) and noticed that 202.27.184.3 is sometimes not responding at all - just getting a timeout rather than incomplete data. 202.27.184.5 seems ok. Regards, Simon

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Re: [nznog] XTRA Primary DNS Funkiness?
by Simon Byrnand 19 May '03

19 May '03

At 17:26 15/05/03 +1200, Neil Gardner wrote: >Hi guys - has anyone noticed anything funky with Xtra's DNS over the >last 2 or 3 days? I have a client that had periodic mail buildups on >outbound SMTP and the error was 'Unable to bind to the destination >server in DNS'. After lots of false starts I got to Xtra DNS... Just checked both Xtra's DNS servers now for other reasons (tracking down an incorrect authorative dns record) and noticed that 202.27.184.3 is sometimes not responding at all - just getting a timeout rather than incomplete data. 202.27.184.5 seems ok. Regards, Simon

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Anti Spam software
by Terence Bllyth 19 May '03

19 May '03

Can anyone tell me what the name of the Linux spam stopping software is, some one mentioned it a while ago, Email senders have to send a reply to it before it will pass on the email. (I know this description is vague). Thanks Terence Blyth Managing Director Computer Technologies Ltd 19 Alma Street Box 584, Nelson New Zealand Phone ++ 643 545 9001 Fax ++ 643 545 9002 www.ctec.co.nz PRIVILEGED - PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information, which is confidential or privileged. If you receive this email and you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the email to the addressee), please disregard the contents of the email, delete the email and notify the author immediately.

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[c-announce] The InternetNZ Festival of Technology and AGM June 18-20 2003
by Peter Macaulay 19 May '03

19 May '03

(Informal announcement!) Please plan to be in Wellington for at least some part of these three days. The InternetNZ team, Industry NZ, the Next Generation Internet, and TUANZ in partnership with most of our sibling organisations has assembled an event which will deliver impact and value for every member of the internet community. The festival is is a work in progress and your input is welcome. To see the draft program. www.internetnz.net.nz/members/agm2003/festival_of_technology.html We will keep you informed through the discussion list as we develop the event. Please let any of your associates and friends now about our event. Registration will be available in the next week. We have appointed Martin Foster ( martin(a)internetnz.net.nz )as Festival Maestro. -- Peter Macaulay Executive Director InternetNZ Direct +64 4 495 2113 _______________________________________________

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XTRA Primary DNS Funkiness?
by Neil Gardner 18 May '03

18 May '03

Hi guys - has anyone noticed anything funky with Xtra's DNS over the last 2 or 3 days? I have a client that had periodic mail buildups on outbound SMTP and the error was 'Unable to bind to the destination server in DNS'. After lots of false starts I got to Xtra DNS... >Nslookup >Set vc (to force TCP which is I think SMTP's default lookup protocol) >Set q=mx >Server 202.27.184.3 I tried that and got much strangeness when I put in >swiftlink.co.nz I should have gotten... >Server: alien.xtra.co.nz >Address: 202.27.184.3 > >Non-authoritative answer: >swiftlink.co.nz MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.swiftlink.co.nz > >swiftlink.co.nz nameserver = dns1.clear.net.nz >swiftlink.co.nz nameserver = dns2.clear.net.nz >mail.swiftlink.co.nz internet address = 203.167.202.72 >dns1.clear.net.nz internet address = 203.97.33.1 >dns2.clear.net.nz internet address = 203.97.37.1 And in fact, I often do, but I also get... >Server: alien.xtra.co.nz >Address: 202.27.184.3 > >Non-authoritative answer: That's right, end of report - I have received stranger though - how about this??? >Server: alien.xtra.co.nz >Address: 202.27.184.3 >Non-authoritative answer: >swiftlink.co.nz MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.swiftlink.co.nz >swiftlink.co.nz nameserver = Invalid Name at offset 66! >*** Error: record size incorrect (-326254 != 17) >Non-authoritative answer: >swiftlink.co.nz MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.swiftlink.co.nz >swiftlink.co.nz nameserver = Invalid Name at offset 66! >*** Error: record size incorrect (-326254 != 17) >*** alien.xtra.co.nz can't find swiftlink.co.nz: Unspecified error (Blank lines removed for readability - sorry if they were important) I have reproduced these results from 3 different Internet connections, 2 Jetstreams (Both with Xtra) and a Jetstart with Attica. Same results at all 3 places... Oh, if I type >server 203.97.33.14 It all works perfectly... I rang Xtra and did speak to someone that sounded as if they knew what they were talking about, and even emailed copies of the above logs, and they claimed that nothing was wrong. Have I missed something blindingly obvious? Also, omitting 'set vc' to leave it on UDP makes alien.xtra.co.nz play nice again. Late discovery - 202.27.184.5 seems ok - this makes me suspect Xtra has problems even more, but my problems have been manifest over the last 3-4 days and they have denied any problems. Cheers - Neil Gardner Swiftlink NZ.

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RE: [nznog] XTRA mail system
by Neil Gardner 18 May '03

18 May '03

Well, I was having big problems with Mail delivery from an Xtra ADSL connection a few days ago and it turned out to be a misbehaving alien.xtra.co.nz - it was intermittently returning empty results or actual errors. Xtra fobbed me off and said there was nothing wrong with it, even in the face of logs showing actual errors... Any chance they are related? Am I going to get a bunch of calls from clients with Xtra this morning? Cheers - Neil G Simon Lyall wrote: >A quick look at the logs shows it's been dead since around 23:56 last night >apart from a couple of 10 minute wondows around an hour ago. A few errors >before that even. The online Network status even shows a problem so it must >be really bad (I've got a theory that Theresa has to approve these herself) > >They were advertising for a mail admin a couple of months ago so maybe the >new guy pressed the wrong button.

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Correction....
by rdesalis＠paradise.net.nz 17 May '03

17 May '03

That should have read...... /* Early bird registrations close on the 30th MAY......" sorry about that... brain thinking 30 words ahead of fingers... Also John H'ng from APNIC will be providing a full days training on Wednesday the 9th July, to complement Joe Ableys tutorials... I'll be away from my mail for the next couple of days but my phone number is 025 481 452 should anyone have any queries about the conference.. Rgds Roger De Salis

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SIP/PSTN gateway in New Zealand
by Joe Abley 14 May '03

14 May '03

Does anybody know of any SIP/PSTN gateways operating in New Zealand, commercial or otherwise?

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RE: [nznog] Xtra having smtp problems ?
by Michael Bordignon 08 May '03

08 May '03

> db:/var/www/webmail2/horde/imp# telnet xtra.co.nz 25 > Trying 202.27.184.102... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host My apologies, wrong host.. though same response for mta.xtra.co.nz

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RE: [nznog] Xtra having smtp problems ?
by Alan Howard 08 May '03

08 May '03

One of my colleagues has spoken to the helpdesk who informed him that there was a minor problem with emails being delayed approx 2 hours. Regards Alan. Pacific Technology Solutions -----Original Message----- From: Edward Yardley [mailto:edward(a)edan.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 9 May 2003 16:47 To: Simon Byrnand Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Xtra having smtp problems ? I just tried it on another line here - seemed to work fine. Edward Edan NET ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Byrnand" <simon(a)igrin.co.nz> To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: [nznog] Xtra having smtp problems ? > Hi People, > > Is anyone else noticing problems trying to deliver mail to xtra ? I've just > noticed I've got several hours worth of stuff in the outgoing queue > for xtra that isn't getting through. Manually telneting to > mta.xtra.co.nz 25 results in a hanging connection. > > Naturally, "Currently there are no known problems on the Xtra > network." according to Xtra's help page ;-) > > Regards, > Simon Byrnand > iGRIN Internet > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] Xtra having smtp problems ?
by Michael Bordignon 08 May '03

08 May '03

> > Hi People, > > > > Is anyone else noticing problems trying to deliver mail to > xtra ? I've > just > > noticed I've got several hours worth of stuff in the > outgoing queue for > > xtra that isn't getting through. Manually telneting to > mta.xtra.co.nz 25 > > results in a hanging connection. > > > > Naturally, "Currently there are no known problems on the > Xtra network." > > according to Xtra's help page ;-) db:/var/www/webmail2/horde/imp# telnet xtra.co.nz 25 Trying 202.27.184.102... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host

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Xtra having smtp problems ?
by Simon Byrnand 08 May '03

08 May '03

Hi People, Is anyone else noticing problems trying to deliver mail to xtra ? I've just noticed I've got several hours worth of stuff in the outgoing queue for xtra that isn't getting through. Manually telneting to mta.xtra.co.nz 25 results in a hanging connection. Naturally, "Currently there are no known problems on the Xtra network." according to Xtra's help page ;-) Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet

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Can anyone tell me
by Simon Son 08 May '03

08 May '03

Can anyone tell me how ISP differentiate how much National and International traffic their jetstart customers uses? I think that If accounting packet is proxies from telecom's radius,then ISP must do something to distinguish National and International traffic. Thanks in advance SImon

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Cisco 7206/7204 router chassis...
by Dan Clark 07 May '03

07 May '03

Hi all, Does anyone happen to have a Cisco 7206/7204 router chassis we could borrow for a lab/project for a short period of time? Please contact me offlist. Kind Regards Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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OT: Cisco Flash
by Dan Clark 07 May '03

07 May '03

Hey guys, I'm after a 16 Meg Cisco Flash Card, would anyone of you happen to have one spare? If you do, please contact me off-list Regards, Dan Clark Network Manager Scarfies.Net Ltd

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Anyone want a job?
by Mark Frater 07 May '03

07 May '03

http://www.quicksilver.net.nz/sysadmin.html contact me off list. Mark

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 05 May '03

05 May '03

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Live Web Presentations On the Certificate in Web-based Instruction
by Derek Lee 05 May '03

05 May '03

Hi: I would like to invite you to a live Web presentation from The Learning and Instructional Development Centre at Simon Fraser University (www.sfu.ca/lidc/telestraining/) about the Certificate in Web-Based Instruction (CWI), an online program to teach participants to design, produce, and teach online courses. The CWI instructors will give presentations to respond to questions about the next offering of the program, scheduled on June 2nd. There will be three presentation sessions in May: May 12 - 1200hrs Pacific Time (GMT -08:00), May 21 - 1700hrs Pacific Time (GMT -08:00), and May 26 - 0800hrs Pacific Time (GMT -08:00). These interactive presentations will be led by the program instructors Dr. Lucio Teles and Judith Jensen. Please go to http://www.sfu.ca/lidc/telestraining for more information and to register for the presentation sessions. If you have questions about the program, please contact Jill Jodrey at jajodrey(a)sfu.ca Derek Lee

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people blocking "all APNIC space"
by Joe Abley 04 May '03

04 May '03

There's recurring wisdom on other lists that people outside the Asia Pacific region routinely block "all APNIC space" in order to reduce the amount of spam they receive (the most recent example was on NANOG, when someone inferred that APNIC address space was useless because it is so regularly blocked). I've run MTAs numbered within 202/8 and 203/8 before, and I've never noticed a problem; if the practice of blocking all APNIC space was that commonplace, I would have expected to have noticed. Maybe I was just lucky, or maybe these block-happy ISPs don't include 202/8 and 203/8 in "all APNIC space". Anybody here noticed widespread blocking of any APNIC ranges by ISPs elsewhere in the world? Joe

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RE: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Paul Brislen 04 May '03

04 May '03

In defence of the Xtra PR spokeswoman Anna, I have to say she is entirely new to the world of ICT and when I asked her about IP numbers/addresses she'd never heard the term before... I asked her about IPv6 more as a separate point ("... and what about plans to roll out IPv6?") rather than as a solution to the allocation issue... I guess it's not really on topic to have it in the story alongside the rest but she had so little to say on the matter (oddly) that there really wasn't enough for a separate story.

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OT - Remote access
by rod_christie＠wilsonandhorton.co.nz 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

OT - Is anyone working on anything new for high-speed remote access, for areas that will never yet DSL or other cable services? Satellite with dialup is fine, but after 15 km of copper, having bypassed electric fence units, then factoring encapsulation, corporate VPN, and remote access client to said box, more gg's would be good. It's a question I get asked from time to time. Any suggestions would be good. Reply of list. Cheers Rod Christie APN News & Media *************************************************************************** This may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Wilson & Horton Limited. For more information on Wilson & Horton please visit our web site at http://www.wilsonandhorton.co.nz ***************************************************************************

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Re: [nznog] people blocking "all APNIC space"
by Steve Phillips 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

Just recently came across another blocking of 210.0.0.0/8 with chat servers. While probably not considered by many to be a productive service :-) it does still show attitudes that say "APNIC ? forget it" and this attitude appears to be markedly prevalent amongst US based admins and now appears to be expanding to cover services other than e-mail. -- Steve. At 11:46 30/04/2003 +1200, Alastair Johnson wrote: >Yes - we have seen this quite reguarly. Specifically, the >210/8 network seems particuarly disliked. > >pbi.net used to block connections from 210/8 but not from >202/7 for a good part of 2002. > > >We have customers complain about it every so often, but I forget >what the most recent case was - some little ISP in TX, IIRC. > > >aj... > >On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Joe Abley wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:35:10 -0400 > > From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)automagic.org> > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: [nznog] people blocking "all APNIC space" > > > > There's recurring wisdom on other lists that people outside the Asia > > Pacific region routinely block "all APNIC space" in order to reduce the > > amount of spam they receive (the most recent example was on NANOG, when > > someone inferred that APNIC address space was useless because it is so > > regularly blocked). > > > > I've run MTAs numbered within 202/8 and 203/8 before, and I've never > > noticed a problem; if the practice of blocking all APNIC space was that > > commonplace, I would have expected to have noticed. Maybe I was just > > lucky, or maybe these block-happy ISPs don't include 202/8 and 203/8 in > > "all APNIC space". > > > > Anybody here noticed widespread blocking of any APNIC ranges by ISPs > > elsewhere in the world? > > > > > > Joe > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > >--- >Never attempt with words what can be achieved with a flame thrower. > >_______________________________________________ >Nznog mailing list >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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WTS: CISCO AS5800 192VOX 2CT3 - new! Oboxed - LOW PRICE!
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26 Apr '03

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Telstra Outage
by robbie_gernandt＠wilsonandhorton.co.nz 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

Did anybody else experience problems with Telstra IP Services this morning ( 00:30 to 02:00 and 06:50 to 7:50)? Apparently one of their main core switches had a faulty port or something, I'm still waiting for a report Robbie Gernandt Network Consultant APN News & Media robbie_gernandt(a)apn.co.nz Mobile: (64) 21 736 086 DDI: (64) 9 977 9577 Fax: (64) 9 373 6411 *************************************************************************** This may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Wilson & Horton Limited. For more information on Wilson & Horton please visit our web site at http://www.wilsonandhorton.co.nz ***************************************************************************

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IPv6 in NZ?
by Juha Saarinen 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

Noticed on: http://snurl.com/1638 that Xtra "isn't considering moving to" IPv6 and also claims that "none of the ISPs are", presumably meaning the NZ ones. I know this is not correct, and that Joe Abley and Clear were at it back in '98 already, with the Uni of Canterbury. Where are things at with IPv6 in NZ now though? -- Juha Saarinen

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RE: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Zanetti David 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

Jeremy Brooking wrote on 16 April 2003: > On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 11:56, Zanetti David wrote: > > Please let us not head down the path of handing out RFC1918 space to end > > users as if this is a real connection. That way leads to Much Pain with Less > > Than Friendly Protocols. Which seems to be an awful lot beyond CS weenies :) > > 36878 players and 3132 clans ranked on 3 servers in 7 days. > > I wouldnt exactly say 36 thousand paying customers are 'weenies' Never said they weren't paying customers. :) -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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RE: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Zanetti David 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

Nathan Ward wrote on 16 April 2003: > In that case RFC1918 space can be used... else beware the whining gamer > who can't play CounterStrike with a v6 address. Please let us not head down the path of handing out RFC1918 space to end users as if this is a real connection. That way leads to Much Pain with Less Than Friendly Protocols. Which seems to be an awful lot beyond CS weenies :) The day an ISP hands me an address which is RFC1918 is the day I switch away. -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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Re: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ?
by Nathan Ward 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

In that case RFC1918 space can be used... else beware the whining gamer who can't play CounterStrike with a v6 address. Nathan Ward Donald Neal wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nathan Ward [mailto:nward(a)esphion.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2003 10:58 >>To: Jeremy Brooking >>Cc: NZNOG >>Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 in NZ? >> >> >>It is probably also worth noting that the article implies >>that v6 would >>fix the problem... >>This isn't really true as v4 will still have to be available.. >> >> > >But not to all of the people all of the time. The bulk of traffic from Xtra end users will presumably be going to Xtra's own boxes - email, proxy cache and games. > >- Donald Neal >(all opinions my own, etc.) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. >If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read >it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not >copy or use any part of this communication or disclose >anything about it. Thank you." > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >

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RE: [nznog] tranzpeer leaking at APE
by Robert Purdy (DSL AK) 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

We have also had one of our main providers leaking the global routing table into our routers. Its time to heed Joes advice and ensure your max prefixes are set (or at least your filtering is correctly configured) Cheers Rob Purdy -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] Sent: Monday, 14 April 2003 5:14 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] tranzpeer leaking at APE 192.203.154.46 in AS 9790 seems to be leaking a global table to peers across the APE at the moment; if you aren't filtering (or don't have maximum-prefix limits set) and you were wondering where all your traffic is going, it might be going that way. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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tranzpeer leaking at APE
by Joe Abley 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

192.203.154.46 in AS 9790 seems to be leaking a global table to peers across the APE at the moment; if you aren't filtering (or don't have maximum-prefix limits set) and you were wondering where all your traffic is going, it might be going that way.

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ns iprange
by Edward Yardley 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

Could someone please point me in the direction of a New Zealand IP range list? Regards Edward ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Yardley Director Edan Technologies Limited www.edan.co.nz edward(a)edan.co.nz "Providing plain english technological solutions" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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nz.* newsgroups updates.
by Simon Lyall 12 Apr '03

12 Apr '03

Can you please pass onto your local Usenet admin. I've just removed the following nz.* newsgroups nz.org.isocnz nz.biz.misc Also the following unmoderated newsgroups have been added over the past few months: nz.tech nz.soc.maori Please contact me if you have any further questions, want to arrange feeds etc. Simon. Wearing his "nz.* hierarchy Coordinator" hat. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.

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Xtra makes appearance on slashdot.
by jfp 09 Apr '03

09 Apr '03

For those that missed it. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/04/09/018236.shtml?tid=95 jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Seeby Woodhouse 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Hi there Neo I notice that you are a HyperNet user. Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a customer of ours. Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP wholesaler in NZ We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a couple in Australia. Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your existing bill :-) (pretty much) The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything you need to know.. Cheers Seeby Woodhouse Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > -----Original Message----- > From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] vISP > > > Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? > Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a > quality, if not, standard service. > > neo > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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Netforum 2003
by Roger De Salis 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Gentlefolks, Please find attached a brochure for Netforum 2003. Please note that the extremely strong ISP component will be augmented with additional stuff. The program will likely be moved around a little such that Joe Abley, Ben Martel and Barry Raveendren Greene will be interleaved in such a manner that those specifically interested in the ISP management and design stuff can see it all, rather than having to choose between competing talks. I look forward to meeting you all there... Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)fx.net.nz </' FX Networks +64 25 481 452 /) Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz (/ ` DSL - the 56k modem technology of 2004

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. NZNOG held a face to face gathering as part of the UniForum NZ conference in 2002, and is to do the same again from 10-12 July this year. See http://www.uniforum.org.nz/conference 2003/conference.html for details, but note that the NZNOG schedule there is well short of final. NZNOG doesn't hold other national face to face meetings, but see http://thursdaynightcurry.com/ if you live in or near Wellington or Auckland. Operators' Contact List See http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/ for operational contact details for most New Zealand ISP's. These are intended for use by other network operators rather than by most customers. Auckland Peering Exchange See http://www.ape.net.nz/ for details of the Auckland Peering Exchange and those connected there. About This Mailing List This list has around 470 addresses subscribed, increasing by around twenty a month at present. You may only post to the list from a subscribed address. A number of people subscribe addresses which do not receive email purely to allow posting from them. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations, nor the administrator, is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Changes are not made to the archive on request, though the administrator remains happy to assist the Office of the Privacy Commissioner should any complaint be laid with that office. Subscribing to the List See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog to subscribe. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins -- Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Bogon update 60/8 and 223/8
by Rob Thomas 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

[ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] IANA has received 223/8 *from* APNIC, and allocated 60/8 *to* APNIC. Thus 223/8 reverts to RESERVED (bogon) status and 60/8 moves to ALLOCATED status. The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA allocation on April 08, 2003: 60/8 Apr 03 APNIC 223/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved NOTE WELL: This post includes an allocation and a DE-ALLOCATION. Please be sure to adjust your filters accordingly. IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters. The use of the bogon route-server will automate these updates for you and your network (see below). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html> A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/> The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose and Strict (Juniper) BGP <http://www.cymru.com/BGP/bogon-rs.html> Bogon route-server[*] RADb <http://www.radb.net/cgi-bin/radb/whois.cgi?obj=fltr-bogons> <http://www.radb.net/cgi-bin/radb/whois.cgi?obj=fltr-unallocated> <http://www.radb.net/cgi-bin/radb/whois.cgi?obj=fltr-martian> fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html#dns> Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring <http://www.cymru.com/BGP/> Bogon prefix monitoring [*] All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Team Cymru http://www.cymru.com/About/teamcymru.html ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Steve Phillips 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

Before I start, I believe this to be on topic as it pertains to some that are on this list. While strictly speaking not a 'NOG' issue, using 'marketing' under the guise of 'it cuts down chatter' or 'needless questions' is IMHO not something that should make it onto a list that is here for technical discussion - sure, answer the post, but keep it technical. At 12:20 7/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote: >My apologies to Steve and others that may hold similar views that my >post was inappropriate. I am sure that "sorry" means "I wont do it again" - so I expect that this will be the case. >My resons for copying the list were: >- There are obviously people subscribed to the list interested in VISP >services that haven't yet heard of us, hence a reply to the person >concerned as well as the list will save future queries. "Orcon does it" - hmm, stopping future enquiries by sending people directly to you as the first stop ? sounds markedly like marketing to me. >- There are a lot of Orcon staff members subscribed to NZNOG, and >multiple people may have replied to this person if they hadn't seen a >post from me. I'm sure you are more than capable of contacting your own staff (BCC works wonders to an all-staff mailing list) and replying to the person enquiring without even touching this list. >I only post very occasionally, and although my post was promoting >Orcon's services, I felt that it was on topic. And it appears that anytime i see you 'post' something it is either defending Orcon after they screwed up or trying to market your company in the wrong forums. >Steve - I feel just as strongly as you about keeping posts relevant in >NZNOG, but if every time someone posts something that a competitor feels >is a 'plug' or of marginal value, they get publically dragged through >the coals for it, then: This was not marginal - it was against the reasons this list was set up. This is a technical list, not a "come buy off me" list. >A) people are going to be afraid to post articles that could be relevant >to NZNOG unless they are totally sure of relevance and ISP neutrality. And possibly this should be the case - the NOG is a group of operators, we post things that are of relevance to everyone, not simply random drivel that we _think_ might interest people. The people that are members of this list and _do_ actually post usually do so in a neutral way - with the occasional dig thrown in as this is a friendly group (as a whole) and we do know each other and their respective trades/affiliations. >B) The number of 'flame' posts critisizing people for their posts will >keep outnumbering the actual posts, which is just a waste of everyone's >time. (this is now the 4th post on this thread, when it could have >stopped at two, as only the first two were relevant) >In future, if you don't like my posts, then email me privately as I will >take your comments on board. This I thought long about - I _was_ going to e-mail you privately, but then no one else would get the benefit of understanding why they just got told off for posting their own random drivel as "but Seeby did it and got away with it x years ago !" And as for the 'flames out numbering the posts' - surely this could be a warning to someone that actually starts to post with a biased opinion on an apparently 'unbiased' list ? And as for taking comments on board' that's cool - since when have you actually _acted_ on these comments ? you used to do this same thing on usenet over and over despite people _publicly_ telling you not to. It appears that you simply don't listen. >Personally - I am happy to receive emails from other NZNOG members that >are of borderline relevance, because it all helps to fit together the >jigsaw of what is happening in the industry, and I want know what is >going on, and who we're up against, If I didn't like the sort of posts >that people are putting up, then I'd unsubscribe. That's great, we are happy that you are happy, however, I am rather unhappy that when i post responses to peoples queries such as this I try my hardest to ensure that I in no way bias the user toward the company I work for, If I really believe that we offer the only service of this nature then I will tend to reply in private or simply post a "please contact me off list" type post - it actually makes me quite angry when someone else puts forward resources that are hijacked by some marketing drone who feels that simply because the resource is there they have some innate right to pollute everyone's mailboxen with their marketing drivel. Now, some constructive criticism to take on board. When replying to this post, you could have mentioned the other ISP's that offer VISP's, you could also have mentioned that many other ISP's would be more than willing to help setup a VISP were they being paid for it (setup costs and consulting possibly) To mention a few ISP's VISP/E3/ICONZ Morenet Ihug Attica Orcon and possibly Paradise There are also a large number of ex ISP staff that know pretty much everything there is to know about setting up an ISP and would be more than willing to offer their services to assist and advise on setups/costs etc and could also be there to offer ongoing support should you require it. (reading archives will show some names up) These all offer differing plans for telehousing/co-location should you wish to own and operate your own servers and could assist in setups, licensing fee's, backboning current infrastructure and some can even lease equipment to you and/or give you virtual space on their own managed systems. They pretty much all have account managers that you can contact for things like this and you would probably find that they will bend over backwards to have you on board. As for reputations - just look about the Internet and ask people that you know that are in the internet business how the various companies conduct themselves - also, don't forget that you are able to ask for 'reference customers' from most organisations that will put you in contact with someone that will tell you what the overall experience has been like. Starting a VISP may seem 'easy' but there should be a lot of work involved before you choose which provider to go with, and don't be scared of doing a little ground work before you make the final decision. <end example> Seeby, you should know better, infact, I _know_ that you know better and just like to push the boundaries of what's acceptable - Someday I sincerely hope it comes back to kick you in the posterior -- Steve.

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Seeby Woodhouse 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

My apologies to Steve and others that may hold similar views that my post was inappropriate. My resons for copying the list were: - There are obviously people subscribed to the list interested in VISP services that haven't yet heard of us, hence a reply to the person concerned as well as the list will save future queries. - There are a lot of Orcon staff members subscribed to NZNOG, and multiple people may have replied to this person if they hadn't seen a post from me. I only post very occasionally, and although my post was promoting Orcon's services, I felt that it was on topic. Steve - I feel just as strongly as you about keeping posts relevant in NZNOG, but if every time someone posts something that a competitor feels is a 'plug' or of marginal value, they get publically dragged through the coals for it, then: A) people are going to be afraid to post articles that could be relevant to NZNOG unless they are totally sure of relevance and ISP neutrality. B) The number of 'flame' posts critisizing people for their posts will keep outnumbering the actual posts, which is just a waste of everyone's time. (this is now the 4th post on this thread, when it could have stopped at two, as only the first two were relevant) In future, if you don't like my posts, then email me privately as I will take your comments on board. Personally - I am happy to receive emails from other NZNOG members that are of borderline relevance, because it all helps to fit together the jigsaw of what is happening in the industry, and I want know what is going on, and who we're up against, If I didn't like the sort of posts that people are putting up, then I'd unsubscribe. Cheers Seeby Woodhouse Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2003 6:57 a.m. > To: NZNOG Mailing List (NZNOG Mailing List) > Subject: RE: [nznog] vISP > > > Was it really necessary to reply to the list like this Seeby ? > > This sort of marketing thing should be kept off list - a simple "yes, > contact me off list for details" would have sufficed. > > (but then you already know this as you have been told > repeatedly about this > sort of thing in various forums over the past two to three > years _at least_) > > I guess this would mean that Orcon doesn't fit at least one > of his criteria > then, an ISP that SPAMs to sell its own services could hardly > be called > "reputable" > > > -- > Steve. > > At 20:07 6/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote: > >Hi there Neo > > > >I notice that you are a HyperNet user. > >Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a > customer of > >ours. Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP > wholesaler in > >NZ We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a > >couple in Australia. > > > >Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your > existing bill > >:-) > >(pretty much) > > > >The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp > (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) > >he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything > you need > >to know.. > > > >Cheers > > > >Seeby Woodhouse > >Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz > >Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] > > > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. > > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Subject: [nznog] vISP > > > > > > > > > Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? > Providing > > > your an honest entity and capable of providing a quality, if not, > > > standard service. > > > > > > neo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nznog mailing list > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Nznog mailing list > >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > -- > Steve Phillips > Professional Slacker > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/CS/CC d- s+:- a- C++++(---)$ UL++++$ UB++++$ US++++$ > UC++++$ P+ L+++$ > E- W-(+) N+$ w$ O V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+@ 5+++ tv++ b+ G e+>* > h r--- z+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To decode see > http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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RE: [nznog] vISP
by Steve Phillips 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

Was it really necessary to reply to the list like this Seeby ? This sort of marketing thing should be kept off list - a simple "yes, contact me off list for details" would have sufficed. (but then you already know this as you have been told repeatedly about this sort of thing in various forums over the past two to three years _at least_) I guess this would mean that Orcon doesn't fit at least one of his criteria then, an ISP that SPAMs to sell its own services could hardly be called "reputable" -- Steve. At 20:07 6/04/2003, Seeby Woodhouse wrote: >Hi there Neo > >I notice that you are a HyperNet user. >Orcon purchased HyperNet a while ago - so you're already a customer of >ours. >Currently Orcon is the largest VISP provider / ISP wholesaler in NZ >We supply around 40 ISP's in NZ with VISP style services, and a couple >in Australia. > >Talk to us and we can simply add VISP services onto your existing bill >:-) >(pretty much) > >The person you need to contact is Patrick Sharp (patrick(a)orcon.net.nz) >he's our VISP account manager and he can tell you everything you need to >know.. > >Cheers > >Seeby Woodhouse >Orcon Internet Ltd - www.orcon.net.nz >Ph +64-9-444-4414 Fax +64-9-444-4444 Mob +64-21-366-666 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: neo [mailto:neo(a)hyper.net.nz] > > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 6:58 p.m. > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: [nznog] vISP > > > > > > Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? > > Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a > > quality, if not, standard service. > > > > neo > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > >_______________________________________________ >Nznog mailing list >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Steve Phillips Professional Slacker -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CS/CC d- s+:- a- C++++(---)$ UL++++$ UB++++$ US++++$ UC++++$ P+ L+++$ E- W-(+) N+$ w$ O V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+@ 5+++ tv++ b+ G e+>* h r--- z+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To decode see http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/

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New IANA IPv4 DE-allocations and bogon updates
by Rob Thomas 06 Apr '03

06 Apr '03

[ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA DE-allocations on April 05, 2003: 173/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 174/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 175/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 176/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 177/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 178/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 179/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 180/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 181/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 182/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 183/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 184/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 185/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 186/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 187/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 189/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved 190/8 Apr 03 IANA - Reserved Note well: These are IP DE-allocations which increases the number of Bogon networks! Also note that 188/8 is NOT part of the list above. IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters if you are not using the bogon BGP feed(s). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Strict (Juniper) BGP Bogon route-server * RADb fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring Bogon prefix monitoring * All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. [http://www.cymru.com/About/teamcymru.html] -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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vISP
by neo 05 Apr '03

05 Apr '03

Does anyone provide reasonable priced vISP type packages? Providing your an honest entity and capable of providing a quality, if not, standard service. neo

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New IANA IPv4 allocations and bogon updates
by Rob Thomas 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those who have received this post in other fora. ] The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated to reflect the following IANA allocation on April 04, 2003: 201/8 Apr 03 LACNIC (whois.lacnic.net) IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters if you are not using the bogon BGP feed(s). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to the FIRST community, as well as on lists such as NANOG, isp-routing, isp-security, isp-bgp, cisco-nsp, and bogon-announce. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose and Strict (Juniper) BGP Bogon route-server * RADb fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring Bogon prefix monitoring * All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. [http://www.cymru.com/About/teamcymru.html] -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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Fwd: [public-consult] Geek.nz up for submissions
by Robert McDonald 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

FYI ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [public-consult] Geek.nz up for submissions Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:25:23 +1200 From: "Gavin Lambert" <gavinl(a)compacsort.com> To: <public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz> I'm a little surprised there hasn't been an official announcement on this list; or perhaps there has and I just missed it somehow. Anyway, for those like me that hadn't heard before, the proposal for geek.nz has now entered the "Request for Submissions" phase. More details can be found at: http://www.dnc.org.nz/story/30107-30-1.html _______________________________________________ public-consult mailing list public-consult(a)internetnz.net.nz http://listserver.internetnz.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/public-consult ------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net

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