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NZ importer for reliawave WLAN ?
by Steve Wright 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Can anyone point me to a NZ importer for Reliawave WLAN Gear ? vis, http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz/reliawave-rwz-200mw-prism2… TIA, Steve

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FW: RFC 3514
by mark.harris＠ssc.govt.nz 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

I'm surprised nobody posted this yesterday > -----Original Message----- > > You may like to check out this excellent new RFC: > > ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3514.txt > > Mark Harris > Senior Advisor, State Services Commission > Tel: 64 4 495 2844 >

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RE: CERT Advisory CA-2003-12 Buffer Overflow in Sendmail
by Tony Wicks 31 Mar '03

31 Mar '03

Hi all, the Redhat mirror server ftp.wicks.co.nz ( ftp.isl.net.nz ) now has the Sendmail updates. Infact it just synced up the updates for Redhat 9.0, which is a bit ironic as 9.0 is not even released yet. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > CERT Advisory CA-2003-12 Buffer Overflow in Sendmail > > > > Original release date: March 29, 2003 > > Last revised: > > Source: CERT/CC > > > > A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. > > > > Systems Affected > > > > * Sendmail Pro (all versions) > > * Sendmail Switch 2.1 prior to 2.1.6 > > * Sendmail Switch 2.2 prior to 2.2.6 > > * Sendmail Switch 3.0 prior to 3.0.4 > > * Sendmail for NT 2.X prior to 2.6.3 > > * Sendmail for NT 3.0 prior to 3.0.4 > > * Systems running open-source sendmail versions prior > to 8.12.9, > > including UNIX and Linux systems > > > > Overview > > > > There is a vulnerability in sendmail that can be exploited > to cause a > > denial-of-service condition and could allow a remote > attacker to > > execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the > sendmail daemon, > > typically root. > > > > I. Description > > > > There is a remotely exploitable vulnerability in sendmail > that could > > allow an attacker to gain control of a vulnerable > sendmail server. > > Address parsing code in sendmail does not adequately check > the length > > of email addresses. An email message with a specially > crafted address > > could trigger a stack overflow. This vulnerability was > discovered by > > Michal Zalewski. > > > > This vulnerability is different than the one described in CA-2003-07. > > > > Most organizations have a variety of mail transfer agents > (MTAs) at > > various locations within their network, with at least one > exposed to > > the Internet. Since sendmail is the most popular > MTA, most > > medium-sized to large organizations are likely to have at > least one > > vulnerable sendmail server. In addition, many UNIX > and Linux > > workstations provide a sendmail implementation that is > enabled and > > running by default. > > > > This vulnerability is message-oriented as > opposed to > > connection-oriented. That means that the vulnerability is > triggered by > > the contents of a specially-crafted email message > rather than by > > lower-level network traffic. This is important because > an MTA that > > does not contain the vulnerability will pass the > malicious message > > along to other MTAs that may be protected at the network > level. In > > other words, vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of > a network > > are still at risk, even if the site's border MTA uses > software other > > than sendmail. Also, messages capable of exploiting this > vulnerability > > may pass undetected through many common packet filters or firewalls. > > > > This vulnerability has been successfully exploited to > cause a > > denial-of-service condition in a laboratory > environment. It is > > possible that this vulnerability could be used to execute > code on some > > vulnerable systems. > > > > The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#897604. This > reference number > > corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2003-0161. > > > > For more information, please see > > > > http://www.sendmail.org > > http://www.sendmail.org/8.12.9.html > > http://www.sendmail.com/security/ > > > > For the latest information about this vulnerability, > including the > > most recent vendor information, please see > > > > http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/897604 > > > > This vulnerability is distinct from VU#398025. > > > > II. Impact > > > > Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may > cause a > > denial-of-service condition or allow an attacker to > gain the > > privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. Even > vulnerable > > sendmail servers on the interior of a given network may > be at risk > > since the vulnerability is triggered by the contents of a > malicious > > email message. > > > > III. Solution > > > > Apply a patch from Sendmail, Inc. > > > > Sendmail has produced patches for versions 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, > and 8.12. > > However, the vulnerability also exists in earlier > versions of the > > code; therefore, site administrators using an earlier > version are > > encouraged to upgrade to 8.12.9. These patches, and a > signature file, > > are located at > > > > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/prescan.tar.gz.uu > > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/prescan.tar.gz.uu.asc > > > > Apply a patch from your vendor > > > > Many vendors include vulnerable sendmail servers as > part of their > > software distributions. We have notified vendors of this > vulnerability > > and recorded the statements they provided in Appendix > A of this > > advisory. The most recent vendor information can be > found in the > > systems affected section of VU#897604. > > > > Enable the RunAsUser option > > > > There is no known workaround for this vulnerability. Until a > patch can > > be applied, you may wish to set the RunAsUser option to > reduce the > > impact of this vulnerability. As a good general practice, > the CERT/CC > > recommends limiting the privileges of an application > or service > > whenever possible. > > > > Appendix A. - Vendor Information > > > > This appendix contains information provided by vendors > for this > > advisory. As vendors report new information to the > CERT/CC, we will > > update this section and note the changes in our revision > history. If a > > particular vendor is not listed below, we have not > received their > > comments. > > > > Red Hat Inc. > > > > Red Hat distributes sendmail in all Red Hat Linux > distributions. We > > are currently [Mar29] working on producing errata packages > to correct > > this issue, when complete these will be available > along with our > > advisory at the URL below. At the same time users of > the Red Hat > > Network will be able to update their systems using the > 'up2date' tool. > > > > Red Hat Linux: > > > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-120.html > > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux: > > > > http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-121.html > > > > The Sendmail Consortium > > > > The Sendmail Consortium recommends that sites upgrade > to 8.12.9 > > whenever possible. Alternatively, patches are available for > 8.9, 8.10, > > 8.11, and 8.12 on http://www.sendmail.org/. > > > > Sendmail, Inc. > > > > All commercial releases including Sendmail Switch, > Sendmail Advanced > > Message Server (which includes the Sendmail Switch MTA), > Sendmail for > > NT, and Sendmail Pro are affected by this issue. Patch > information is > > available at http://www.sendmail.com/security/. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Our thanks to Eric Allman, Claus Assmann, Greg > Shapiro, and Dave > > Anderson of Sendmail for reporting this problem and > for their > > assistance in coordinating the response to this problem. We > also thank > > Michal Zalewski for discovering this vulnerability. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Authors: Art Manion and Shawn V. Hernan > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > This document is available from: > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-12.html > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > CERT/CC Contact Information > > > > Email: cert(a)cert.org > > Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) > > Fax: +1 412-268-6989 > > Postal address: > > CERT Coordination Center > > Software Engineering Institute > > Carnegie Mellon University > > Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 > > U.S.A. > > > > CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 > EST(GMT-5) / > > EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for > emergencies > > during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. > > > > Using encryption > > > > We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent > by email. > > Our public PGP key is available from > > http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key > > > > If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT > hotline for more > > information. > > > > Getting security information > > > > CERT publications and other security information are > available from > > our web site > > http://www.cert.org/ > > > > To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and > bulletins, > > send email to majordomo(a)cert.org. Please include in the > body of your > > message > > > > subscribe cert-advisory > > > > * "CERT" and "CERT Coordination Center" are registered > in the U.S. > > Patent and Trademark Office. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > NO WARRANTY > > Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and > the Software > > Engineering Institute is furnished on an "as is" > basis. Carnegie > > Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either > expressed or > > implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, > warranty of > > fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, > exclusivity or > > results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon > University > > does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to > freedom from > > patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information > > > > Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. > > Revision History > > > > March 29,2003: Initial release > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 6.5.8 > > > > iQCVAwUBPoX5XGjtSoHZUTs5AQHvjgQAqTy3GQnszPHtUnUBX7VDM4NKSesFHHvC > > 2JmDAMPYmCO2b32xvWDmMcWdPhOBmJLB2o6zv7mRWX1K0B1GN5TBErIii6dxTaDD > > OAUNjirMGdTr+WnxIjdk0gj57JbOU6ZdHHcAijG5SE/dZq4sMrOCGEAMJTVNDzYp > > BtHbFwDeLEY= > > =dgBI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >

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Moderation etc.
by Donald Neal 30 Mar '03

30 Mar '03

NZNOG People, I'd like to make a number of comments about events on this list over the last couple of days. This is partly because I simply don't have the time to respond individually to all of the emails sent to me. Sorry. But first, a brief chronology of some of this morning's events: 9:03 List notified that mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz has been unsubscribed 10:11 List notified that phuct up(a)msn.com has been unsubscribed 10:19 Abusive email with forged From address posted to the list 10:31 "^god" with address god(a)hackers.net.nz subscribes to the list 10:39 Address god(a)hackers.net.nz unsubscribed by administrator 11:00 Notice from Xtra received that originator of abusive email has been removed from Xtra's network. All of which makes sense to me, but it's taken us some time to get here. The current AUP process is written to allow a certain amount of stupidity to take place before people get unsubscribed. For myself, I'd prefer to keep it that way. Complaining to the List ----------------------- Over the last couple of days, we've seen a considerable number of postings to the list complaining about AUP breaches. I don't mind people emailing me directly, and I certainly don't mind people emailing the senders of such email directly either, but please don't send this sort of thing to the list. It does not seem to influence people who are being intentionally silly, but does swell the volume of non-operational postings. Moderation ---------- There have been a number of quite understandable suggestions of late that the list should become moderated, if only for a time. I remain unwilling to do this. This is partly to ensure that relevant operational material can be disseminated quickly. It is also because it doesn't look to me possible to square moderation in any circumstances with continuing denial that the administrator is responsible for the content of the list or its archive. Administration Head Count ------------------------- The existing process for dealing with idiocy in varying degrees relies on the issuing of warnings. Faster issuing of warnings would result in faster unsubscription of the determinedly anti-social. One way to achieve that would be to move from having a single list administrator to having more than one. Which raises the twin questions of whether there'd be any volunteers for such a role, and "In whom do the people trust?" - Donald Neal List Administrator -- Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Peer moderation
by Michael Hallager 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

Hello all, I do not trust peer moderation or a pair review process to get on this list. There is currently a issue going on between two respectable ISP's that has culminated in mail blocking - A sad state of affiars for the NZ Internet as I thought we got over this nonsense last century. (Remember Voyager vs. Xtra?). I will not name these two ISPs at this point as I respect them both and I believe that my mail is able to get through although I havn't checked. To the two ISP's involved I say - You have both been around for long enough and you are both of a big enough size to sort this out in an amicable fastion and set a good example for newer and/or smaller players. I suggest that your relevant management peoples gets together and sorts the issues out. (That is, if you havn't already). I do not run an ISP (Although I work part time for one in a technical role). I run a business selling used high end networking equipment and setting up Linux systems. I am a one man band here trying to make an honest living. As I have the skills and inclination, I run all my own servers (Mail, web etc). My network is used purely by myself and I have *never* caused anyone any trouble or had any complaints about how my system is operated. Yet, despite being an innocent third party, I am caught out by what is going on higher up in the scheme of things. C'mon you two, what is the use of a knowledge economy, internet yada yada etc, if this sort of games are still going on? No wonder ISP's have the reputation of used car dealers. (Many of whom have actually cleaned up their act now). No wonder there is call for ISP's to be "licensed". http://computerworld.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/DF3A054F76F9698ECC256CE10008E9D… Best regards to all, Michael Hallager Comsolve Networks (NZ) Limited Networkstuff Limited

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Re: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Ewen McNeill 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

In message <20030328020710.GH10265(a)citylink.co.nz>, Simon Blake writes: >On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:31:53PM +1200, Donald Neal said: >> The existing process for dealing with idiocy in varying degrees relies >> on the issuing of warnings. [....] One achieve that would be to move >> from having a single list administrator to having more than one. [...] > >Rather than moderate the content, why not just close list membership? >[delete all; add only "genuine NZ network operators"] I'm not sure if I officially get a say (I probably don't count technically count as a "genuine NZ network operator"), but I've been around the 'net a fair while now, and I'm opinionated, so I'm going to have one anyway. Some points in vague order: - I know of a bunch of people who are not technically "genuine NZ network operators" who benefit from reading the list (and more have posted in this thread) -- "up and coming" people, people loosely related to network operation who wish to stay "in touch" with what is going on (I'm probably most accurately in that category), etc. - For the most part those people get the benefit from reading, rather than posting to the list; "read only" access might well be sufficient 99% of the time for them. - Following a list (in "real time") by reading archives on the Interweb sucks. Screen scraping off the archives of a mailing list that are on a web page into email again to make it easier to follow is rather baroque. (But better than trying to follow discussions in real time on the Interweb; seems 20 years of UI discoveries got thrown out when the WWW got invented....) - People who "listen but don't talk" don't create much of a disturbance to the list operation. There aren't really (m)any secrets where public knowledge in "real time" would be an issue. - So if there needs to be moderation (note: I've not yet expressed a view), then it need only be on the posting side. "Read only" subscriptions could be left open to "those who can understand the content" or similar with no obvious downside. - Moderation of all postings is very disruptive to discussion particularly of things happening in real time (not to mention a high load on the moderator(s)) - Therefore it is probably desirable that as few postings as possible be moderated, without allowing the list to be flooded with large volumes of off topic stuff. - The set of people who post (on topic) often is relatively small, and relatively static, and could probably be maintained by hand by a small (eg, one person) team of moderators. - So if there is to be moderation (note: still not expressing a view) a potentially more workable solution is not to moderate who can join the list read-only; just to moderate who can post, and "hand moderate" the remaining posts. People posting a few good posts would be added to the "can post without additional moderation" list. Over a short period of time (especially with pre-seeding) those posting "on topic" messages would get put on the "can post without additional moderation" list, and that list would be fairly static. This should be relatively non-intrustrive, and relatively non-demanding on moderator time. This basically boils down to Simon (Blake)'s proposal, but with the restriction being on "posting access" only. The only real catch is "when good posters go bad", which could perhaps be dealt with in the same way as now (but with the implicit addition that their newly invented addresses would not immediately gain posting access). As to the original question: - I lean towards the point of view that this has basically been a one-shot deal and going closed-list/all-moderated/etc over it is probably an over-reaction. If people would stop feeding the trolls (even off list) then it'll probably all die a natural death. - As such I'm not particularly in favour of moderation. - With a little arm twisting I would be willing to be one of a team of moderators for the list (on a "if it needs to be done, and no one else is doing it" basis). I could recite a list of reasons why I'm qualified, but what it boils down to is that I've been about the NZ Internet for quite a while, seen my share of flame wars, etc, but don't work at any network operators so would hopefully be seen as neutral. (As I said above, I'd rather it wasn't moderated. But if it is, I'm willing to help out if necessary) Ewen

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Re: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Jamie Baddeley 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

for what it's worth I agree with this. alternatively don't accept list members that have disposable email addresses (hotmail.com, email.com, msn.com, yahoo.co.nz etc etc), or a perverse fascination with bonzai buddy ;-) jamie >>> Simon Blake <simon(a)citylink.co.nz> 03/28 2:07 PM >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:31:53PM +1200, Donald Neal said: > The existing process for dealing with idiocy in varying degrees relies > on the issuing of warnings. Faster issuing of warnings would result in > faster unsubscription of the determinedly anti-social. One way to > achieve that would be to move from having a single list administrator > to having more than one. Which raises the twin questions of whether > there'd be any volunteers for such a role, and "In whom do the people > trust?" Rather than moderate the content, why not just close list membership? Delete everybody off the list, add back on the people you know are genuine NZ network operators, and set the list up so that requests to join get sent to some group of moderators (or to the list). Then, vett new requests to join through the current members. Leave the web pages and archives public, so that the world can still read about what we're up to. Yes, it's cliquey, yes, it's elitist, but well, who cares. It's the Network Operators Group - we need to get it a back on topic PDQ, otherwise it'll cease to have any relevancy to the community it seeks to serve, and it'll get replaced with something else (that probably will have a closed membership). Cheers Si > - Donald Neal > List Administrator > > -- > Donald Neal | piano - a musical > Technical Specialist | shipping line. > Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] > Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read > it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not > copy or use any part of this communication or disclose > anything about it. Thank you." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Zanetti David 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] wrote: > I'm a great believer in leaving things alone. Currently we have a > large number of people on the list who aren't exactly "network > operators" . The vast majority of these people are no problem and > don't even post. Some of them will post sometimes when something > in their area comes up. I tend to support this view. I'm sure I don't qualify as a "network operator" by implying a definition from people's posts, but I don't believe I've been seeding the list with problems, and one or two trouble makers just need to be dealt with and we move on. Ironically I suspect more traffic will be created by debating this than was created by the orignal outburst or the last six months.. IMO. :) -- David Zanetti <david.zanetti(a)nzpost.co.nz> Desk: +64-4-496-4005 Mobile: +64-25-832-572 "Hope.. is a dangerous thing" This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.

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Re: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Michael Hallager 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:17, Juha Saarinen wrote: [SNIP] > I think you're probably asking a lot of Donald there. So he's to work out > a definition of what exactly constitutes a NZ network operator (ie. > network operators from other countries are banned) and then verify who > exactly fits the definition. How would he do that? I quite agree. There are many networks in NZ and many operators. Would op's of internet connected companies qualify or just op's of ISP's? Would VISP's qualify? Alot of them don't know very much about operating an Internet network, which is why they are "VISP's", and yet they should still be welcome here and be able to contribute. > Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not how NANOG operates. If they > can handle the occasional outburst of off-topic messages, and I'm sure > they get more of that on NANOG than on NZNOG, then the participants on > this list are probably able to do so as well. I say that this is a knee-jerk reaction to some of Sahil's friends causing trouble. I vote that we ignore them and continue on as per usual. > Closing NZNOG would set a bad example, IMO. There is enough "clubs" and "secret societies" in the world without closing NZNOG based on the whims and ideals of a few. The Internet is meant to be a tool of democracy and an open one at that. Lets keep it that way. How can we criticise [The NZ closed club of the Internet] if we go and do the same? Michael Hallager Managing Director Comsolve Networks (NZ) LImited Networkstuff Limited -------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [nznog] Moderation etc.
by Ian Quinn 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

> Note that I'm basically discussing "rights to post" here. I'm not >From vague memory, nanog had two levels of subscription (read only, and read/post). Maybe the same thing could be done here. Then if they abuse it, shift people off the read/post list more aggressively than currently is the case. They don't lose the ability to hear what's going on. Regards / Ian -----Original Message----- From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:03 PM To: Michael Hallager Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Moderation etc. On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 02:32:40PM +1200, Michael Hallager said: > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:17, Juha Saarinen wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > I think you're probably asking a lot of Donald there. So he's to work out > > a definition of what exactly constitutes a NZ network operator (ie. > > network operators from other countries are banned) and then verify who > > exactly fits the definition. How would he do that? > > I quite agree. There are many networks in NZ and many operators. > Would op's of internet connected companies qualify or just op's of ISP's? > Would VISP's qualify? Alot of them don't know very much about > operating an Internet network, which is why they are "VISP's", and yet > they should still be welcome here and be able to contribute. Trial by a jury of your peers. If the members of the list know you as an operator, you get on. If they don't, you don't. There doesn't need to be any formal defn of what constitutes an operator, merely that the current members are happy for you to be on the list. In practice, I imagine this would become "unless you're a really annoying piece of work, and somebody complains vociferously about your request to join, you'll get on". Note that I'm basically discussing "rights to post" here. I'm not suggesting that the archives shouldn't be public, and if there was a way to allow Joe Random Public to join readonly without a vetting process, then that's all good as well. > > Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not how NANOG operates. If they > > can handle the occasional outburst of off-topic messages, and I'm sure > > they get more of that on NANOG than on NZNOG, then the participants on > > this list are probably able to do so as well. > > I say that this is a knee-jerk reaction to some of Sahil's friends causing > trouble. I vote that we ignore them and continue on as per usual. It's been a thought that's occurred to me and others every so often during at least the last four years. We could ignore them, or we could try and fix NZNOG to be a better thing, coz at the moment it's broken, teenagers or no. > > Closing NZNOG would set a bad example, IMO. > > There is enough "clubs" and "secret societies" in the world without closing > NZNOG based on the whims and ideals of a few. So, there are lots of closed lists, so we shouldn't tidy our one? > The Internet is meant to be a tool of democracy and an open one at that. The Internet isn't *meant* to be anything. It just is. I don't believe that the orginal creators of the 'net had anything to say about its democratic value. I'm prepared to stand corrected, of course. There are costs and barriers you must overcome to become a network operator. Why shouldn't there be a small barrier to you participating in a network operators list? > Lets keep it that way. Sounds like an arguement for untrammelled access to your mailbox by spammers to me. > How can we criticise [The NZ closed club of the Internet] if we go and do > the same? I didn't realise that criticism of the "The NZ closed club of the Internet" was part of NZNOG's role. Maybe that should be put on the list info pages :-). Cheers Si _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Heads up: 167.179.0.0/16 seems to be hijacked
by Juha Saarinen 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Allocated to Tower Group, but advertised by someone in Florida. http://openrbl.org/ip/167/179/4/67.htm http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2425 http://spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL7859 Contains "interesting" domains like: m67.affordable-shopping.com [167.179.4.67] m116.your-products.net [167.179.1.116] m88.super-shops.net[167.179.3.88] m73.discount-shops.net[167.179.2.73] mx175.optin-america.com[196.4.167.179] It was used internally at Tower, but not advertised to the rest of the world, so it was easy prey apparently. Is this a common occurence on the Interweb? -- Juha Saarinen

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Price of APNIC /16 allocation?
by Juha Saarinen 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Could someone please give me a rough idea how much a /16 from APNIC would cost? -- Juha Saarinen

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RE: List of Admins.
by Xtra Security Team 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Hi All, The offender has been removed from the Xtra Network. Regards Xtra Security and Abuse Team Support : http://xtra.co.nz/security ******************************************** This email is for the person(s) identified above, and is confidential to the sender and the person(s). No one else is authorised to use or disseminate this email or its contents. The email or its contents do not necessarily represent the views of Xtra Limited or Telecom. ********************************************

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Re: [nznog] List of Admins.
by Craig Spiers 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

at least someone has their head screwed on straight this morning! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Whitmore" <lennon(a)orcon.net.nz> To: "Craig Spiers" <craig(a)concept.net.nz> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [nznog] List of Admins. > I've already complained to abuse(a)xtra >

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None
by craig＠concept.net.nz 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Im a fuckwit

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RE: [nznog] List of Admins.
by phuct up 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

I no like listen you, undastan? You are fucky me upy and I will resign upy Undastan? -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 8:48 a.m. To: phuct_up(a)msn.com Subject: FW: [nznog] List of Admins. You appear to have made a number of postings to the NZNOG list yesterday without operational content and failing to show appropriate respect for other subscribers. This is a second warning as outlined in paragraph 10 of the AUP. Please immediately change the volume and nature of your postings to the list. Donald Neal Mailing List Administrator Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct up [mailto:phuct up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 22:48 > To: 'Matthew G Brown' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > > I leave you alone if you no post no more message, undastan? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:47 p.m. > To: 'phuct up' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > Leave me alone. I have networks to run. I am finished with my NET4U > posts. > > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct up [mailto:phuct up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:42 PM > To: 'Matthew G Brown' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > > Im osama. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:40 p.m. > To: 'phuct up' > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > > And you would be ?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct up [mailto:phuct up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:34 PM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. > Importance: High > > > I thought I tell you no post, okay? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:36 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] List of Admins. > > What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone > maintaining an up to date page recently ? > > {sorry "osama"} > > Best Regards > > Matthew G Brown > Chief Executive > B & R Holdings LIMITED > Information Technology Holdings Company > http://www.brh.co.nz > > > > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------

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Notice of Unsubscription - Updated
by Donald Neal 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

NZNOG People, As you will no doubt be aware, paragraph ten of this list's Acceptable Use Policy reads: 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. I have this morning unsubscribed the following addresses: mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz phuct up(a)msn.com - Donald Neal List Administrator Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Nog list
by Tim John 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Donald, <> I have this morning unsubscribed the address mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz. This is the first time in [counts on fingers] around seven years of this list's operation that this has been done. I'm disappointed that it was necessary. </> I understand your concerns, but how can it be disappointing to take this action against someone who obviously shouldn't have been on this list in the first place !! Surely people having the email insignia of 'a' and 'phuct up' are a dead giveaway of the type of people we DON'T want on the NOG. I think this thread in some aspects has expired and I have started using my trusty old "Delete" key to simply remove certain messages before reading them, particularly those from the two address mentioned above. I suggest the _real_ subscribers of this list follow suit and take the attitude that 'ignore them and they will go away'. I'm sure it's only fun for these guys if they get a response. My 2c Tim DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you.

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Notice of Unsubscription
by Donald Neal 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

NZNOG People, As you will no doubt be aware, paragraph ten of this list's Acceptable Use Policy reads: 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. I have this morning unsubscribed the address mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz. This is the first time in [counts on fingers] around seven years of this list's operation that this has been done. I'm disappointed that it was necessary. - Donald Neal List Administrator Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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ASN allocation update
by Rob Thomas 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have read this post in other fora. ] As of 24 March 2003 IANA has allocated a new block of ASN's to ARIN. The ASN range changes are: Was 29696 - 32767 Held by the IANA Now 29696 - 30719 Allocated by ARIN (March 2003) Now 30720 - 32767 Held by the IANA The bogus ASN monitoring has been updated to reflect this change. You should update any filters you have. The bogus ASN report, which shows ASN's leaking private, unallocated, and reserved ASN's, is located here: <http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html> I now return you to your previously scheduled Net4U thread. ;) Thanks, Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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RE: [nznog] List of Admins.
by phuct up 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Hey no talk me like that or I no like you anymore do u undastan! -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hallager [mailto:michael(a)comsolve.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:52 p.m. To: phuct up Cc: matt(a)brh.co.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] List of Admins. Grow up. Matthew is someone who contributes to Nznog regually and we all know who he is. You are some smart arse little twat running from a @msn address. Chances are you are not a network admin, so what the hell are you doing on this list anyway? Grow up or go away. Michael Hallager > I thought I tell you no post, okay? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:36 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] List of Admins. > > What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone > maintaining an up to date page recently ? > > {sorry "osama"} > > Best Regards > > Matthew G Brown > Chief Executive > B & R Holdings LIMITED > Information Technology Holdings Company > http://www.brh.co.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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RE: [nznog] List of Admins.
by phuct up 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I leave you alone if you no post no more message, undastan? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:47 p.m. To: 'phuct up' Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. Leave me alone. I have networks to run. I am finished with my NET4U posts. -----Original Message----- From: phuct up [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:42 PM To: 'Matthew G Brown' Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. Im osama. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:40 p.m. To: 'phuct up' Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. And you would be ?? -----Original Message----- From: phuct up [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 10:34 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] List of Admins. Importance: High I thought I tell you no post, okay? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew G Brown [mailto:Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:36 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] List of Admins. What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone maintaining an up to date page recently ? {sorry "osama"} Best Regards Matthew G Brown Chief Executive B & R Holdings LIMITED Information Technology Holdings Company http://www.brh.co.nz _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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List of Admins.
by Matthew G Brown 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

What ever did happen to the list of NZ Network Admins. Was somone maintaining an up to date page recently ? {sorry "osama"} Best Regards Matthew G Brown Chief Executive B & R Holdings LIMITED Information Technology Holdings Company http://www.brh.co.nz

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Net4u
by Timothy Law 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I wonder if this was really Sahil or someone hacked his account Headers are as follows Return-Path: <nobody(a)sahil.net.nz> Received: from vscan.satlan.com (vscan.satlan.com [202.27.218.3]) by mailhost.satlan.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h2R2Obvx024195 for <tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:41 +1200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vscan.satlan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58900502B7 for <Tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:35 +1200 (NZST) Received: from sahil.net.nz (web.net4u.co.nz [210.55.10.6]) by vscan.satlan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363E7500FB for <Tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:24:23 +1200 (NZST) Received: from sahil.net.nz (www [127.0.0.1]) by sahil.net.nz (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h2R1p1oL028829 for <Tim(a)satlan.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:51:01 +1200 Received: (from nobody(a)localhost) by sahil.net.nz (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id h2R1p18W028827; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:51:01 +1200 Message-Id: <200303270151.h2R1p18W028827(a)sahil.net.nz> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:51:01 From: CURRYMAN 2003 NZ <sahil(a)net4u.co.nz> To: <Tim(a)satlan.com> Reply-To: CURRYMAN 2003 NZ <sahil(a)net4u.co.nz> Subject: Hi X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UIDL: 8(a)1"!)gM"!be!"!FF4"! -----Original Message----- From: CURRYMAN 2003 NZ [mailto:sahil(a)net4u.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 1:51 p.m. To: Tim(a)satlan.com Subject: Hi I would like to touch your penis, lets meet for curry _____________________________________________________________________ This mail was sent using Net4U's WebMail System - webmail.net4u.co.nz

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Sad News
by Mark Foster 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I'm suprised it hasnt been crossposted here yet, so if you already know about this my apologies. http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/2003/03/0681.html Mark.

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Re: [nznog] OT: Re: NET4U staff
by Robert McDonald 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

The fact that you* may be young doesn't excuse childish behaviour. Think before putting fingers to keys please. *Bites tounge and says nothing accept*, "i third this". Take it elsewhere. Enough's enough. Thanks, Rob (List co-ordinators, maybe moderated list would be appropriate for a few days) [*] - The collective "Key mashers" On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:01, Nathan Ward wrote: > <quote> > Could this list possibly be made moderated for a week or so, or have > people posting drivel removed from it? (After suitable warnings, etc). > > I am happy to read about Net4U's antics as they are amusing and at least > partially relevant, but I can do without the frantic keyboard-mashings of > inept scriptweenies and all the other quasi-illiterate snot that's been > on here today. > </quote> > > I second that. Move along. > > Nathan Ward > > a wrote: > >Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but apparantly he > >also uses other's credit cards to purchase goods and > >services, and I have received proof which indicates > >that is the case. > > > >http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > >- Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > >_______________________________________________ > >Nznog mailing list > >Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net

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Fwd: Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

>From net4u.co.nz: "DUE TO THE RECENT ARTICLE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE NEW ZEALAND HERALD DATED: 25/03/2003 NET4U LIMITED HAVE OPTED TO CONTRACT AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY (SIGEL DATA SYSTEMS LTD) TO AUDIT AND OVERSEE THE OPERATION OF NET4U LIMITED SYSTEMS AND NETWORK FOR A PERIOD OF THREE MONTHS, DURING WHICH SIGEL DATA SYSTEMS LIMITED WILL REPORT ON THE LEGITIMACY OF THE ISP OPERATION. THESE REPORTS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC VIA THE NET4U LIMITED WEBSITE, BUT WILL NOT DISCLOSE ANY SENSITIVE INFORMATION THAT WOULD POSE A THREAT TO THE SECURITY OF THE ISP." Sigel is a current customer of Net4u and the owner is a personal and close friend of Sahil Gupt and previously was a customer of neuron, a virtual ISP under net4u. This causes certain conflicts of interest. Also the fact that net4u will be releasing the documents themselves, also shows that they may not be originals if in fact the audit is worth the paper it is printed on, but considering the above highlighted conflict of interest, I doubt it very much. http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Michael Hallager 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

> Sahil, > > I have the following questions that I want answered in public: > > 1) It is ON TAPE that you stole bandwidth from Callplus. Do you think that > we are stupid enough to believe that you can steal bandwidth and nothing > else? > > 2) Why have you put up on your website a statment that you have employed > a technical company to oversee the operation of your ISP when *you* > knowingly did what you did? Are you trying to fool us and your clients into > believing that it was an accident? > Do you think that this is a technical issue (As you seem to be trying to > make out) or one of honesty? > > 3) Why is that you feel that you "should be out of business" if you misused > credit cards (Alledged) but that you should be treated differently for what > you did to Callplus? (Established). > > 4) Why did you never heed one word of the many lectures that I gave > you, at the time when I was prepared to speak to you, on the very subject > of honesty? > > Michael Hallager > > > --- Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED <sgupta(a)net4u.co.nz> > > wrote: > The company has NEVER done this and I can > > give this > > > > > is writing that I have > > > NEVER gone out shopping with ANY of our customers > > > Credit Card Details. > > > > > > You would hope, if anybody at the company was doing > > > such a thing that we > > > would have been out of business right after we > > > started climbing up the > > > ladder. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sahil Gupta > > > Senior Account Manager > > > NET4U LIMITED > > > > > > Phone: 0508-263-848 > > > Fax: 07-8582659 > > > Mobile: 029-366-6375 > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] a wrote: > > > > Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but > > > > > > apparantly he > > > > > > > also uses other's credit cards to purchase goods > > > > > > and > > > > > > > services, and I have received proof which > > > > > > indicates > > > > > > > that is the case. > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your > > > > > > Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Nznog mailing list > > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

So you do not deny using credit cards to receive goods and services which you do not have authorisation to use? --- Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED <sgupta(a)net4u.co.nz> wrote: > Talk to me off-list, telling me what we have done. > I'm interested in > finding out. > > Regards, > > Sahil Gupta > Senior Account Manager > NET4U LIMITED > > Phone: 0508-263-848 > Fax: 07-8582659 > Mobile: 029-366-6375 > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] a wrote: > > > Yes, I know you have NEVER done it with customer > > credit card numbers, but how about with credit > cards > > full stop, whether or not they are your customers > > numbers does not matter. So have you ever used > card > > numbers of noncustomers/customers/anyone? Please > dont > > try that again, changing one word, if you are > going to > > respond, respond to my statements, not a sightly > > altered statement eg not customers cards, instead > of > > no I havent used credit cards which I have not > been > > authorised to use. > > > > --- Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED > <sgupta(a)net4u.co.nz> > > wrote: > The company has NEVER done this and I can > > give this > > > is writing that I have > > > NEVER gone out shopping with ANY of our > customers > > > Credit Card Details. > > > > > > You would hope, if anybody at the company was > doing > > > such a thing that we > > > would have been out of business right after we > > > started climbing up the > > > ladder. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sahil Gupta > > > Senior Account Manager > > > NET4U LIMITED > > > > > > Phone: 0508-263-848 > > > Fax: 07-8582659 > > > Mobile: 029-366-6375 > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] a wrote: > > > > > > > Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but > > > apparantly he > > > > also uses other's credit cards to purchase > goods > > > and > > > > services, and I have received proof which > > > indicates > > > > that is the case. > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your > > > Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Nznog mailing list > > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your > Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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NET4U staff
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Not only does Sahil steal bandwidth, but apparantly he also uses other's credit cards to purchase goods and services, and I have received proof which indicates that is the case. http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Donald Neal 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

The standard of behaviour on this list does seem to have slipped in the last few hours. I've just sent a copy of the AUP to the list - clearly I need to get back to doing that regularly. And now it's the long trawl through the postings to see to whom warnings need to go ... - Donald Neal Donald Neal | piano - a musical Technical Specialist | shipping line. Network Delivery | [ Graeme Garden ] Telecom Corp. NZ Ltd | > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bordignon [mailto:michael.b(a)infometrics.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:03 > To: 'a'; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > could these users not be unsubscribed? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fw: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Craig Spiers 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

I'd just like to mention that this guy who spammed the mailing list with net4u's customers left himself open to a slap in the face.. Could someone from the associated isp, have some words with him please? Received: from [219.88.208.246] by web13115.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:01:15 NZST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "a" <mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:01 PM > Subject: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > these people like to take net4u staff up the ... > > > > www.quarrypark.org.nz > > www.wlug.org.nz > > www.msianet.co.nz > > www.hotshot.co.nz > > www.ethernal.org > > www.neuron.net.nz > > www.cis.net.nz > > netplanet.co.nz > > www.irisdesign.co.nz > > king.net.nz > > cosnet.co.nz > > walkerwireless.co.nz > > hostingservers.co.nz > > castle.net.nz > > nox.co.nz > > scarfies.co.nz > > se7en.co.nz > > digitalsouth.net > > outervoid.net > > clawshrimp.com > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > >

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nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

seemingly craig is Sahil's bumboy, in more ways than one maybe http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

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NET4U staff
by Craig Spiers 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

but the fact you 'did it' can have you arrested. if you murder someone, your not let off the hook just because you say your not going to do it again, idiot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:19 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > > > No actually, thats not the case. > > I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police > > station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. > > > > The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing > > it all. > > > > Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for > > him. > > > > --------------------------- > > You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud > > you thought you'd better keep a low profile. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. > > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > > > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after > > thinking > > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > >

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Robert McDonald 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:05, rye a wrote: > a staff member from net4u was bragging on irc the > other day about the jetstream bandwidth issue. what > they are doing is authenticating jetstream starter > users (fastip) as jetstream users (fastipdirect). I > think this is most likely a screwup on telecom/net4u's > behalf.. perhaps their account manager set it up this > way for a reason? perhaps net4u ask for jetstream > ports instead of jetstream starter? > > either way guys, word of advice.. if your ripping > people off.. dont go bragging about it on irc. I > believe the staff member in question was only 14 years > old. What possible use could he have been? He was also > in the news recently, related to the captain bob spam > fiasco.. Seems either the herald is reporting on a lot more geeky stuff. Or People are just becomeing stupid / dishonest. Im mean that seriously. If i was in the position to be working at an ISP (even if it *was* net4u, which i dont have a very high opinion of right now) I wouldn't do anything to put that at risk. I doubt the people responsible for that will be employed in (big) IT again. Sahil is only a year older than me. Really i think that gives young geeks a bad name. And how this got turned into talk of ^god and co. and their spamming antics is beyond me. It has on relevence at all to nznog, take it to #lusers or something. But it did give me a good laugh. :) Cheers, Rob EOFF > cheers > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- -------------- Robert McDonald NZPages.Net Web Services Ph: 021 1770061 ICQ: 86984875 http://www.nzpages.net

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Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal directly with me." Why should I do what he says? by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. -------------------------------------------- Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. Liz On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: Hi, I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. thanks, Will To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding a 'meeting'. Bring your weapons. Venue: Room 3, Level 1 467 Victoria Street Hamilton CBD Hamilton New Zealand Time: 4:30pm Be there, or miss out. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ________________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > ---- > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Pot and Kettle
by Michael Hallager 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Craig Speirs shouldn't be talking. He recently sent me a very rude email in relation to my post about ISDN on NZNOG. (Most likely encouraged by Sahil). This very email came from Sahil's network. Craig's name features on www.sahil.net.nz Enough said. Michael Hallager

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by Michael Bordignon 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

could these users not be unsubscribed? > -----Original Message----- > From: a [mailto:mastermithras(a)yahoo.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 3:01 PM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > these people like to take net4u staff up the ...

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Sure, if thats what you really want. But hey, I am a kid, and kids do things like that, stealing a couple of credit cards and buying a couple of domains (valued at about $100 or so), which will probably be charged back to the card anyway, is alot better than going into a school, killing everyone, stealing all their money, going out and buying bombs and drugs, isnt it? :) --------------------------------------------------- >From the Herald article: "But spamming is just one of ^god's pastimes. He also dabbles in online credit card fraud. He claims to have purchased everything from domain names to computer gadgets using stolen credit card numbers at online merchants. " Right, now go up to the police station front desk and tell them that. -----Original Message----- From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:20 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff No actually, thats not the case. I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing it all. Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for him. --------------------------- You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud you thought you'd better keep a low profile. -----Original Message----- From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

No actually, thats not the case. I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing it all. Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for him. --------------------------- You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud you thought you'd better keep a low profile. -----Original Message----- From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: NET4U staff
by Pipes 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

1) Give the kid some credit, he at least is trying to admit he was wrong. 2) You think messages like this have ANYTHING to do with nznog? 3) Many people on this list have been busted for doing 'bad bad' things. they still have jobs in the industry. 4) Grow up. 5) take all this to IRC already. I think it was said best ealier today... "There are some quite smart people in that age group, Unfortunately they often are a little miss guided , with the right guidance they can become a very good company asset." > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Spiers [mailto:craig(a)concept.net.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:13 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > I dont think you will ever get a job in this industry.. ANGRY NOC ADMIN's > UNITE!@#! I can hear the chuckles now. > > Your wee'wee is small. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:09 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > >> heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking >> carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. >> >> I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal > directly >> with me." >> >> Why should I do what he says? >> >> by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. >> -------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the >> person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? >> A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just >> turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. >> >> Liz >> >> On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a >> phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. >> >> Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being >> involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I >> think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. >> >> thanks, >> Will >> >> >> >> To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding >> a 'meeting'. >> Bring your weapons. >> Venue: >> Room 3, Level 1 >> 467 Victoria Street >> Hamilton CBD >> Hamilton >> New Zealand >> Time: 4:30pm >> Be there, or miss out.

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Pretty easy $$$ though, but like I said, I stopped it :) i guess this is a "formal apology" for spamming? :P ---------------- I take back what i said about the Not hating you. I hate spammers! Liz :D On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 14:19, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: > > No actually, thats not the case. > I am willing to go on national TV and say that, walk infront of a police > station and yell it in the window, do anything, thats not the case. > > The reason I talked to the herald about it is because I have stopped doing > it all. > > Captian Bob may or may not decide to stop spamming, but I cant speak for > him. > > --------------------------- > You mean after admitting publically that you were indulging in CC fraud > you thought you'd better keep a low profile. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: phuct_up(a)msn.com [mailto:phuct_up(a)msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:10 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after > thinking > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

"im going to come over there and smash your head in with a tyre iron" sounds familiar to the person you were making the threats to. And he does have logs :) not that hes going to do anything about it, of course, becuase some people might take you seriously, huh? ---------------------------------- maaaayeeeeeteeee.. all for one, one for all.. give it up will ya. i dont recall threatening anyone.. and if i were to do such a thing, no one but the person im threatening would have any evidence of it. > yeah sure craig, good friends with sahil, who also threatened to "bash" > Captian Bob. How rude of you! :) > > > I dont think you will ever get a job in this industry.. ANGRY NOC ADMIN's > UNITE!@#! I can hear the chuckles now. > > Your wee'wee is small. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> > To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:09 PM > Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > > > > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking > > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > > > I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal > directly > > with me." > > > > Why should I do what he says? > > > > by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the > > person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? > > A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just > > turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. > > > > Liz > > > > On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a > > phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. > > > > Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being > > involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I > > think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. > > > > thanks, > > Will > > > > > > > > To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding > > a 'meeting'. > > Bring your weapons. > > Venue: > > Room 3, Level 1 > > 467 Victoria Street > > Hamilton CBD > > Hamilton > > New Zealand > > Time: 4:30pm > > Be there, or miss out. > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > > ---- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nznog mailing list > > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

yeah sure craig, good friends with sahil, who also threatened to "bash" Captian Bob. How rude of you! :) I dont think you will ever get a job in this industry.. ANGRY NOC ADMIN's UNITE!@#! I can hear the chuckles now. Your wee'wee is small. ----- Original Message ----- From: <phuct_up(a)msn.com> To: <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [nznog] NET4U staff > heh. yeah, it was me doing the spamming. "^god" is me. But after thinking > carefully about it I have stopped it, and am sure I wont do it again. > > I got an email from Sahil just now saying "if you have issues deal directly > with me." > > Why should I do what he says? > > by the way sahil, you can keep the cd drive. > -------------------------------------------- > > > Dude I dont think anyone will blame you. How can one go mad at the > person who told Sahil he was an idiot and got him busted? > A lot of people knew what he was up to and that he was dodgy. They just > turned a blind eye to it because he was cheaper. > > Liz > > On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 13:59, phuct_up(a)msn.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a > phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. > > Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being > involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I > think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. > > thanks, > Will > > > > To bring those responsible to justice, we are holding > a 'meeting'. > Bring your weapons. > Venue: > Room 3, Level 1 > 467 Victoria Street > Hamilton CBD > Hamilton > New Zealand > Time: 4:30pm > Be there, or miss out. > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > ________________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > ---- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nznog mailing list > > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > > _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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RE: [nznog] NET4U staff
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

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RE: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Michael Bordignon 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

any proxy is capable of proxying SMTP/IRC/anything via HTTP CONNECT, isn't it? > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Haakma [mailto:richard(a)kcbbs.gen.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 9:55 AM > To: Juha Saarinen; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc. > > Hello. > > It may have been an open web proxy only, not capable of abusing > SMTP or IRC. > > Regards, > RH.

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RE: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by phuct_up＠msn.com 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Hi I quit NET4U after hearing news of this stealing bandwidth, recorded a phone call with Sahil, took the call to the herald. Which is why it was printed at all, so dont go bitching about me being involved in this. I wasn't in anyway involved in it. Quite frankly I think Sahil is ripping everyone off, including his staff. thanks, Will _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by rye a 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Ha, i wish i did. I regret not keeping one now, had i known this all would have led to a herald artical, and a post to nznog, i would have made sure i logged it. Didnt think too much of it at the time figured they were just idiots bragging about bullshit.. The only problem, there's no course of justice for this kind of thing is there? net4u will get away scott free? --- Matthew Luckie <mjl(a)luckie.org.nz> wrote: > > either way guys, word of advice.. if your ripping > > people off.. dont go bragging about it on irc. I > > do you have a log you can post to nznog? sounds > very interesting (and on > topic). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

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