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Who cut off the piece of string?
by Juha Saarinen 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

>From the US West Coast: ~$ traceroute www.domainz.net.nz traceroute: unknown host www.domainz.net.nz ~$ traceroute www.idg.co.nz traceroute: unknown host www.idg.co.nz ~$ dig idg.co.nz. soa +trace ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> idg.co.nz. soa +trace ;; global options: printcmd . 162840 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 162840 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. ;; Received 292 bytes from 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) in 4 ms nz. 172800 IN NS MX.NSI.NASA.GOV. nz. 172800 IN NS GORGON.XTRA.co.nz. nz. 172800 IN NS NS1.DNS.NET.nz. nz. 172800 IN NS NS2.DNS.NET.nz. nz. 172800 IN NS NS3.DNS.NET.nz. nz. 172800 IN NS NS4.DNS.NET.nz. ;; Received 258 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 125 ms co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns1.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns2.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns3.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns4.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns5.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns6.dns.net.nz. co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns7.dns.net.nz. ;; Received 273 bytes from 128.102.18.31#53(MX.NSI.NASA.GOV) in 74 ms idg.co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns1.idg.co.nz. idg.co.nz. 86400 IN NS ns1.iconz.co.nz. ;; Received 101 bytes from 203.97.8.250#53(ns3.dns.net.nz) in 183 ms ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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AS9736/SRS routing (was Re: Who cut off the piece of string?)
by Ewen McNeill 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

In message <80616.1038101587(a)toybsd.zl2tnm.gen.nz>, Don Stokes writes: >Joe wrote: >>Incidentally, wasn't the original plan for AS9736 to be multi-homed? >[.... yes, but didn't happen ....] >But mainly the need was for registry services rather than the DNS. In >real life, most of the automated stuff was going via the email template, >and that could back off and retry quite happily. FWIW, the primary site for the SRS systems is currently living outside the AS9736 address space (the secondary site is in a /24 inside that space). The primary site is in a long prefix CIDR block of ex-Paradise TelstraClear address space, which is also advertised into WIX (but not APE) as a long-prefix CIDR block, and that should help to ensure availabilty at least within NZ in the face of some outages, but otherwise it's not multihomed. (Although given a number of sites don't accept routes from WIX and/or don't accept prefixes that long, it may not help _that_ much. That said, I believe the current hosts of the SRS primary site are planning a renumbering into a shorter prefix CIDR block in the next month or two, which may help.) Given that the SRS is accessed through "online queries" there's probably going to be somewhat more need for AS9736 to be multi-homed if the primary site is moved into that space as well at some point. (AFAIK there'll be less reliance on the "email template" approach once the SRS opens up to competition in early December.) Ewen PS: The APNIC info for AS9736 looks to be somewhat out of date these days, which is interesting because I had thought at least some of the NZ DNS Politics were going to lead to it being updated.... - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Who cut off the piece of string?
by Juha Saarinen 23 Nov '02

23 Nov '02

On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Chris O'Donoghue wrote: > Typical I reply and it seems things are working now :( Seems so -- is it just me or are some of the dns.net.nz not responding to queries? -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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82/8 allocated to RIPE
by Rob Thomas 22 Nov '02

22 Nov '02

Howdy, NZNOG listfolk. [ Apologies to those of you who have received this note in other fora. ] 82/8, formerly IANA - Reserved, has been allocated to RIPE as of 23 NOV 2002. Please take the time to adjust your filters accordingly. I have updated my documents and monitoring for the new allocation. Master list of IANA IPv4 allocations http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space Bogon List http://www.cymru.com/Documents/bogon-list.html Bogon Monitoring http://www.cymru.com/BGP/robbgp-bogon.html Secure IOS Template (ported to Juniper by Steve Gill) http://www.cymru.com/Documents/secure-ios-template.html http://www.qorbit.net/documents/junos-template.pdf Secure BGP Template (ported to Juniper by Steve Gill) http://www.cymru.com/Documents/secure-bgp-template.html http://www.qorbit.net/documents/junos-bgp-template.pdf Secure BIND Template http://www.cymru.com/Documents/secure-bind-template.html Thanks! Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Whangarei colo?
by K. Anand Lal 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Are there any colo providers in the Whangarei CBD area? We're looking at housing ~16RU of kit. The facility must be secure and have temperature control. Generator backup power is desirable as is a 24/7 "arms and legs" site contact. Any leads would be appreciated. Cheers, ----------------------------------------------------------- K. Anand Lal | ph: +64.9.3592767 Senior Network & Systems Engineer | +1.310.7399323 AS7657 | fax: +64.9.3581518 | noc: +64.9.3592708 ----------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Nameserver swap request
by Lincoln Reid 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

Hi, We are looking for someone to exchange a fairly low volume dns server with to increase our name server diversity. Our dns server is a 2U procase rackmount, we would be happy to exchange the hosting of it for a similar arrangement in a rack at our premises. Our server room is situated in Thorndon ( Wellington ) just across from the stadium with a 100mbit citylink connection, we have the usual UPS / Generator / Air conditioning etc. Traceroute to linuxnet.co.nz to get an idea of where we are placed in terms of connectivity, or alternativly email / phone me. If anyone is interested, get in touch. Cheers, -- Lincoln Reid Systems Engineer LinuxNet - AS18119 lincoln(a)linuxnet.co.nz Phone: +64 4 939 2200 Fax: +64 4 939 2201 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Another RBll listing APNIC addresses as dialups and blocking them.
by jfp 17 Nov '02

17 Nov '02

http://www.dnsrbl.net/index.html You might want to check your addresses and get them to fix it. jfp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jean-Francois Pirus <jfp(a)clearfield.com> Clearfield Software Ltd Phone (+64-9) 358 2081 4th Floor 8-10 Whitaker Place Fax (+64-9) 358 2083 P O Box 2348 Auckland, New Zealand ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contacts for 3KB, AMP and Netsmart for APE website?
by Simon Lyall 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

Just a quick request. Do anyone have a network contact for any of the above 3 companies that appear to have been recently connected to APE? , I'd like to get their details up on the Website. I tried emailing Netsmart and 3KB but no luck and I've not idea on who to contact at AMP. I've forgotten the trick for getting the nznog subscriber list. Private email would be best rather than cluttering up the list. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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LACNIC ASN allocation
by Rob Thomas 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] IANA has allocated a range of AS numbers to LACNIC, the new Latin American and Caribbean RIR, http://lacnic.net. This allocation was made as of 12 November 2002. The new LACNIC range is: 27648 - 28671 Allocated by LACNIC (November 2002) This changes the formerly IANA held range as follows: (was) 27648 - 32767 Held by the IANA (now) 28672 - 32767 Held by the IANA You may wish to adjust any filters accordingly. I have updated my bogus ASN monitoring, which can be found here: http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html The master list of ASNs can be found here: http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Important Informational Message - root.zone change
by David Farrar 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Not sure how this is meant to circulate around but nznog seems a sensible list to pass this onto. DPF > ------ Forwarded Message > From: "John Crain" <crain(a)icann.org> > Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:26:17 -0800 > To: <dnsop(a)cafax.se> > Subject: Important Informational Message - root.zone change > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > *****PLEASE NOTE***** > This is an important Informational Message to the internet community: > > November 5, 2002, the IP address for J.root-servers.net will > change in the authoritative NS set for "dot". The change will > be reflected in zone serial # 2002110501. > > The new set of servers authoritative for "dot" will be: > A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 198.41.0.4 > H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 128.63.2.53 > C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 192.33.4.12 > G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 192.112.36.4 > F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 192.5.5.241 > B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 128.9.0.107 > J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 192.58.128.30 > K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 193.0.14.129 > L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 198.32.64.12 > M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 202.12.27.33 > I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 192.36.148.17 > E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 192.203.230.10 > D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 5w6d16h IN A 128.8.10.90 > > This WILL require a change to your root hints file. The new > file will be available via anonymous ftp from > rs.internic.net:/domain/named.root as well as > ftp.internic.net:/doamin/named.root starting 11/5/02 1700UTC (12pm > EST/9am PST). > > Both the new and old j.root-servers.net IP space will provide > answers in parallel for the foreseeable future. > > _________________________________________ > > John Crain > Manager of Technical Operations > ICANN/IANA > > crain(a)icann.org > 1AF4 F638 4B2D 3EF2 F9BA 99E4 8D85 69A7 > > _________________________________________ > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Security 7.0.3 > > iQA/AwUBPcb++9Gxp5XUiliSEQI5wwCfXE2Dhz0XJCGJagRgPDz7y2A85ekAoIPb > 0ufIR65iR8KVhqKCFbeUoxsc > =GVDN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > #---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # To unsubscribe, send a message to <dnsop-request(a)cafax.se>. > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[OT] RFV - bank.nz
by Lin Nah 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Hi All The banks have been trying to get this for ages despite being told it isn't needed. This is the 3rd time they are trying and I assume they want to try and try and try again for 1000 times till they get it. That is IMHO not the way to do things. I strongly urge everyone to vote agaist the formation of bank.nz regards Lin ps If you would like curry and beer this thursday night, see if there's anything happening in your town at thursdaynightcurry.com If not start up one for your town. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:28:47 +1300 From: David Farrar <secretary(a)internetnz.net.nz> Reply-To: public-discuss(a)internetnz.net.nz To: public-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz Subject: [public-announce] RFV - bank.nz RFV - Request For Votes - bank.nz InternetNZ (www.internetnz.net.nz) is conducting a vote to gauge whether there is support for the creation of a new second level domain in the *.nz namespace - namely bank.nz. The details of the application and the entire process can be found at http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/ and it is being considered based on the policy adopted in May 1997 for considering new second level domains. The application from New Zealand Bankers' Association and the InternetNZ policy can be found at this link. Voting for this application will last 14 days from the date of the start. The vote will start November 3 2002 at 23:59 and closes November 17, 2002 at 23:59. The application must receive at least 200 votes and at least 70% support for it to enter the next phase which is a formal submission process. This vote will not determine if .bank.nz 2LD is implemented, only to see if it has wide enough support for it to continue in the approval process. Voting is available via a website or email and details of voting can be found at http://www.internetnz.net.nz/dns/2nd-level-domains/2ld021103-voting_details… Please note to be able to vote you have to have an valid email address and a NZ located postal address. Any missing information on the ballot will result in the ballot being ruled invalid. Please check to make sure all the required information is included on your ballot. Voting opens online at http://vote.internetnz.net.nz at 2359 Nov 3. An e-mail ballot can be cast by filling in the form below and sending it to vote-bank(a)internetnz.net.nz (reply should work but check). Delete two of the three voting options plus all text before and after the ballot. --BEGININNG OF BALLOT-- Name : E-mail address : NZ postal address : I VOTE FOR THE CREATION OF .BANK.NZ I VOTE AGAINST THE CREATION OF.BANK.NZ I ABSTAIN --END OF BALLOT-- Any inquiries should be sent to the Voting Officer at vote-help(a)internetnz.net.nz -- David Farrar, Secretary, InternetNZ secretary(a)internetnz.net.nz or david(a)farrar.com _______________________________________________ public-announce mailing list public-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz http://listserver.internetnz.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/public-announce - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Tranzpeer prefix list update
by Maurice Wilkinson 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

Matthew These prefixs were already present with GGI and Xtra ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 180 permit 203.215.142.0/24 ip prefix-list tranzpeer-networks seq 185 permit 203.215.143.0/24 Maurice -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Poole [mailto:matthew.poole(a)attica.co.nz] Sent: Mon 4/11/2002 2:42 p.m. To: NZNOG Cc: Subject: Tranzpeer prefix list update ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ N��r��y��|��צj)m�f��h��b��F��'�^��ay�ʇ��z��i�.�˛��m��

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RE: [OT] RFV - bank.nz
by Donald Neal 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lin Nah [mailto:lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz] > Sent: Monday, 4 November 2002 15:02 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [OT] RFV - bank.nz > > > Hi All > The banks have been trying to get this for ages despite being told > it isn't needed. This is the 3rd time they are trying and I assume > they want to try and try and try again for 1000 times till > they get it. > > That is IMHO not the way to do things. I strongly urge everyone to > vote agaist the formation of bank.nz > > regards > Lin No, this is indeed off topic for this list. - Donald Neal NZNOG List Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Tranzpeer prefix list update
by Matthew Poole 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

To all those who peer with us, please add the following two networks: 203.215.142.0/24 203.215.143.0/24 Full list attached. Thanks -- Matthew Poole Network Engineer CallPlus, AKL, NZ DDI +64 9 919 6036 Fax +64 9 919 6037 Cell +64 21 224 6927

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Filtering of WIX prefixes
by Sam Sargeant 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

I've run up against a frustrating problem and some advice would be appreciated. We have a /29 via AT&T here in Wellington. We advertise this /29 to the WIX route servers. Via WIX, we receive a prefix from a national ISP[1]. Any attempts to send traffic to this ISP fall silently into the bit-bucket. >From what I understand, the ISP does not accept any prefix from WIX that is larger than a /24. Given our traffic is being sent directly to their WIX router (layer-2 headers confirm this), I believe their ingress filtering is dropping this traffic since the return-path doesn't match. If I filter the ISP's prefix, the transit is handled by AT&T and everything works just fine. Effectively, the only way I can talk to them is to go "the long way". Now, I have no major problem with any AS saying "our policy states we only accept prefixes smaller than /24". What frustrates me is that the ISP is seemingly saying : ISP> Hello Wellington! If you have any packets for this prefix, send them to me! US > Excellent! Here, have some traffic for one of your hosts. ISP> What? Who are you? I think I'll drop this. [ ... ] ISP> Send me your traffic Wellington! >From what I can tell, there are 30 prefixes advertised on WIX that are >/24, and these amount to ~672 hosts. If I'm correct (and I'll admit I'm making an educated guess here), then all of those hosts are unable to talk to this ISP. So, my options are: 1. Stop playing with pissant /29's on WIX. 2. Get the ISP to change their ways. 3. Filter the ISP's prefixes that I receive from WIX. I think the most likely option is #3. However how am I to know what other networks do the same thing? Shall I troll every single WIX network to check I can talk to them, then build a filter-list based on that? Ugly. Sam. ----- [1] Since I have disagreed with the ISP in question, and they haven't been forthcoming in getting it resolved, I've elected not to name them. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Lame reports - thanks!
by Rob Thomas 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] [ Apologies as well for all of the spam today. :) ] My thanks to the increasing number of you who submit lame delegation logs to me. This helps to increase the reach and usefulness of the Weekly Lame Name Server Report page: http://www.cymru.com/DNS/lame.html You will find a (much better bandwidth) mirror of the site here: http://bgp.lcs.mit.edu/dnsmirror/lame.html If you have logs you can share, anonymously or with full credit, feel free to send them to lamer(a)cymru.com. Be the first in your ASN to fill my lamer file system. :) Thanks! Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IANA IPv4 allocation list format change
by Rob Thomas 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] For those of you who don't know, the format of the IANA IPv4 allocation list has changed. It now lists each prefix as a distinct /8, instead of hyphenated ranges of prefixes. This change took place on 25 October. If you are parsing this file automagically, you may wish to modify your scripts. My own script claimed that several new allocations had been made. It's fixed now. :) http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space My thanks to the IANA folks for this change! Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Any isps support ODMR - RFC2645?
by Steve Lang 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Hiya. Thanx for the detailed reply, what you say makes much more sense. Interesting that Telecom don't send framed-ip, that'd be annoying. Are they still using the merit Radius code? But it's probably their NAS that is sending the Start prior to the ipcp negotiating IP Addr. Bugger. Then there is the issue of running servers etc, as you point out, I don't want to start that flame war again, and I don't want to run internet reachable SMTP servers @ home either. The previous discussions on this make several points, some of which are: 1) POP3, and in particular multi-drop POP mailboxes are problematic, and 2) running SMTP servers (even if legal) is problematic over intermittant/dialup/dynamic connections. Unfortunately there's nothing in-between, and something in-between is entirely valid for 'power' home users. And to make it worse, Paradise don't have a consistent, unique mail header to really make multi-drop pop mailboxes work. This is well within what paradise can do, and despite asking this particular question several times, they just don't seem to provide that facility. Oh to find a better solution, ODMR isn't. As someone pointed out, maybe UUCP? Cheers- > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Goldfinch [mailto:mark.goldfinch(a)team.telstraclear.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 11:52 p.m. > To: Steve Lang > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: Any isps support ODMR - RFC2645? > > > > On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Steve Lang wrote: > > > Yes, I Emailed postmaster(a)paradise.net.nz. To quote: > > > > "It's basically due to our DSMTP authentication being based around our > > dial-in RADIUS, and not our ADSL RADIUS. Given the choice between the > > two options, we decided to provision DSMTP for dial-in as it is > > recognised as more of a stop-gap method of mail delivery somewhere in > > between POP and a dedicated mail server." etc. And a statement to the > > fact that you're not meant to run servers behind Jetstart connections > > etc. > > While this isn't quite correct the end result is the same. > > The technical reason why this cannot happen is because our dsmtp radius > processing is only interested in Start and Stop accounting records. > > An example Jet* radius accounting record: > > Mon Oct 14 19:49:11 2002 > User-Name = "someusername" > NAS-Identifier = "GLF_RAN_01" > Service-Type = Framed-User > Framed-Protocol = PPP > NAS-Port = 540475748 > Acct-Session-Id = "20370164-3DAA68E6" > Acct-Authentic = RADIUS > Acct-Status-Type = Start > User-Id = "someusername" > User-Realm = "paradise.net.nz" > Proxy-State = 0 > Proxy-State = 0 > Timestamp = 1034578151 > > you may note that there is a distinctive lack of Framed-IP-Address field > present in this record. This is well known for Telecom's Jet* > infrastructure and has been noted in this forum beforehand. > Framed-IP-Address fields are present in the (approximately) 30 second post > connection and then hourly Alive records as well as Stop records. > > Now it is true that it would be somewhat simple to make Alive records be > treated in (almost) an identical fashion as Start records in this case, > but I really must question whether it is in our best interests to do so. > TelstraClear (or one of its legacy companies) will have signed an > agreement with Telecom surrounding the conditions and services which we > will offer JetStart to our customers. If we should be penalised the > implications for us would be somewhat larger than most other ISPs (other > than perhaps Xtra). > > Unfortunately if Telecom does not want business customers (or services > deemed to be of business grade) present on JetStart they probably have the > means to make us (and in turn our customers) very unhappy. > > Now of course I could be very wrong and Telecom could have had a recent > change of heart and are these days more than happy for us to hookup > businesses via JetStart. Please I would be more than happy to be proved > wrong. > > > Short of ringing them up, and demanding to speak to someone else, which > > I don't have time to do, what options are there? I know, move my > > business somewhere else? > > Good luck in finding a solution, yes it somewhat sucks that broadband > options are somewhat limited in this country, but it isn't just the > customer's who have few options. > > And on that note this thread is now probably heading quite off-topic. > > > Best Regards, > > --- > Mark Goldfinch > Senior Systems Administrator > TelstraClear Ltd > > > > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Any isps support ODMR - RFC2645?
by steve＠spl.co.nz 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Hiya. I've been investigating multi-drop mailboxes etc., for home use. The concept of On Demand Mail Routing (ODMR - RFC2645) came up. Do any ISP's in NZ support this? There is RFC2645 which seems to cover what I'm after in such a way as to easily support smtp queueing over dynamic internet connections etc. (jetstart to be precise) I've asked Paradise, and they aren't/can't oferring such a thing. Is anyone here offering this? Paradise also don't seem to have a useable header for calculating the original recipient in all cases. Do any other ISP's have a reliable consistent header that is accurate, not duplicated and contains the correct values even when bcc'd from Mail Lists? I'd seriousely consider changing providers if I can confirm one of the above. Cheers - - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Non email popup spam
by Orcon Support - Jay Best 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Have had a few of our dialup customers complaining about this one.. SNIP from geek tools--------- New "Messenger spam" invades desktops Just when you thought e-mail spam was bad enough, along comes Direct Advertiser software, which can send pop-up messages directly to users' desktops. These pop-up messages appear even if the user is not in e-mail or an Internet browser. The software utilizes Microsoft's Messenger Windows service, which is turned on by default (on WinNT, 2000, and XP systems) and used by administrators to send messages to users on the network. This is different from the MSN Messenger instant message software. http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Oct/gee20021017016848.htm Kindest Regards Jay Best Orcon Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Hosting a file
by Mark Davies 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

Hi, Somewhat off topic but is there someone out there that can host a couple of 1.8MB files that have just been mentioned on slashdot. Our server is not coping very well :-( cheers mark - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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VoIP Tolls
by Matthew G Brown 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Anyone offering VoIP tolls for National calling ? . Curious as I just got my last phone bill and OUCH! Sorry for the OT Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LTD DDI: 027 4807731 Email: Matt(a)Brh.Co.Nz " Offsite Internet Backup & Wireless Network Dev " http://www.backupserver.co.nz http://www.brh.co.nz IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail is confidential, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it, or by anyone else is prohibited. Please delete this email if obtained in error and e-mail confirmation to the sender. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update (#2)
by Craig Whitmore 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

Sorry about not including this one as well from this morning.. For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) at APE, please update your Filter Lists to: Add: 202.175.128.0/21 A Full prefix list is included as attachment. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.nzdsl.co.nz

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Orcon Internet Prefix List Update
by Craig Whitmore 20 Oct '02

20 Oct '02

For all those peering with Orcon Internet (AS17746) at APE, please update your Filter Lists to: Add: 202.49.250.0/24 A Full prefix list is included as attachment. Thanks Craig Whitmore Orcon Internet http://www.nzdsl.co.nz

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Re: Contacting ISP re: CC fraud
by Saby Singh 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

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APNIC Training/IX tutorial in New Zealand - Dec 2002
by Champika Wijayatunga 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

Dear all, APNIC is pleased to announce that we are planning to have an APNIC member training course on IP Address Management: Asia Pacific Policies and Procedures (Conducted by APNIC) and a tutorial on IX (conducted by Bill Woodcock, Packet Clearing House,USA) in Wellington, New Zealand on 09 December 2002. The APNIC training courses are currently offered on a sponsored basis to APNIC members and it is subsidised for them. But non-members are also welcome and however, they are usually charged a slightly higher fee. Basically these charges are to recover our costs on a non-profit basis. Previously this training course fee has ranged from 'No charge' to USD75.00 (charged in local currency) depending on the location & the sponsorships. Training materials, Lunch and refreshments will be provided. We would like to get your input regarding this training. We greatly appreciate if you could answer the following few questions and send it to us. Please note that this is NOT a registration form. This information is considered for our evaluation purposes only. * Your name & e-mail id: * Your company / APNIC Account name: * Are you interested in attending this training? Yes/No * How many participants will attend from your organisation? * Would you like to assist us in sponsoring this training? Yes/No If so in which way? (ex: providing a training venue, lunch & refreshments for the participants etc.) If you are interested in sponsorships please let us know, so that we can update you about the sponsorship benefits. * Any suggestion for a hotel/training centre? * Are you aware of any Internet related conference happening in New Zealand during December 2002 ? * Other comments Thank you for your cooperation ! We look forward to hearing from you soon. Warmest Regards, Champika. _____________________________________________________________________ Champika Wijayatunga, Training Manager <champika(a)apnic.net> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre phone: +61 7 3858 3100 http://www.apnic.net fax: +61 7 3858 3199 _____________________________________________________________________ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Contacting ISP re: CC fraud
by Donald Neal 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

I suspect that this thread has now exhausted its operational relevance. - Donald Neal NZNOG List Owner/Administrator/Muggins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Contacting ISP re: CC fraud
by Mark Foster 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

And FWIW I agree, and thanks to those who emailed me offlist with similar echoed comments. :P My thinking was. 1) I dont like the use of Fraudulent Credit Cards regardless of who theyre being used with... 2) If The ISP is deemed to be the appropriate contact for a genuine crime then.. well.. *shrug* Of course the logical cause of action is obvious, but then again, when the NZCC have already pretty much told you what they think of you, its not suprising that the appropriate authorities havnt yet been invoked... ? At 01:21 p.m. 17/10/2002 +1300, Glen Wilson wrote: >The stick approach always has postive results. > >Glen Wilson >Senior Engineer and Administrator >Network Operations Shift Supervisor >Ihug, Auckland, New Zealand > >On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Steve Phillips wrote: > > > At 13:03 17/10/2002 +1300, Mark Foster wrote: > > >This stuff strikes me as obvious enough - as a sysadmin I would expect a > > >lot of this is fairly logical proceedure for dealing with network abuse. > > > > He runs one of the biggest SPAM/MLM schemes in New Zealand, so its not > > surprising he doesn't know how "whois" works and doesn't trust that a > > remote ISP will actually respond to "abuse@" complaints (hell, we know HIS > > one didn't eh seeby ?) > > > > Maybe he just needs to be beaten about the head a few times with a very > > large clue stick. > > > > -- > > Steve. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > > > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contacting ISP re: CC fraud
by Barry ＠ CASHevolution Support 16 Oct '02

16 Oct '02

Hi there guys, Hope you can possibly help. I have a situation where a member using a yahoo email account has located a credit card list and is utilizing it on our website. The person has used over 200 credit card numbers and many have been successful. I have log's of IP addresses and traced it to the following IP block owner. Instituto Tecnologico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey REDMEX-BNETS (NET-148-203-0-0-1) 148.203.0.0 - 148.250.255.255 Universidad Autonoma De Ciudad Juarez UACJ (NET-148-210-0-0-1) 148.210.0.0 - 148.210.255.255 Some of the IP addresses are as follows: 148.210.126.238 148.210.126.228 146.210.116.193 Doing a traceroute only gave me their ISP's uplink reverse, AT&T. How can I get in touch with this ISP to ensure this person is caught. Kindest Regards Barry Murphy Systems Administrator http://www.cashevolution.com <http://www.cashevolution.com/>

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Domestic Prefix list update again AS7657
by Leon Chang 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

Hi people, Sorry we have to update this again as yesterday's list missed out a network: ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 37 permit 202.49.144.0/24 FYI, the complete list is attached below. ip prefix-list ihug-networks description ihug peering prefix-list contact: noc(a)ihug.co.nz ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 5 permit 202.36.94.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 10 permit 202.37.136.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 15 permit 202.37.182.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 20 permit 202.37.187.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 25 permit 202.37.194.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 30 permit 202.49.59.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 35 permit 202.49.88.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 37 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 40 permit 202.49.148.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 45 permit 202.49.176.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 50 permit 202.49.180.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 55 permit 202.49.186.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 60 permit 202.49.240.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 65 permit 202.49.249.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 70 permit 202.50.84.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 75 permit 202.50.103.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 80 permit 202.50.255.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 85 permit 203.109.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 90 permit 203.118.128.0/18 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 95 permit 203.173.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 100 permit 210.55.184.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 105 permit 210.55.202.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 110 permit 210.55.248.0/21 le 24 -- Leon Chang, CCNP, CCDP Senior Network Engineer The Internet Group Ltd. (IHUG), Auckland, New Zealand AS7657 PH: +64 9 359 2710 --------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Prefix list update for Ihug AS7657
by Leon Chang 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

We have tidied up our peering prefix list a bit and added a new network 203.118.128.0/18. Can our domestic peers please update their current prefix-list. Regards, Leon Chang ip prefix-list ihug-networks description ihug peering prefix-list contact: noc(a)ihug.co.nz ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 5 permit 202.36.94.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 10 permit 202.37.136.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 15 permit 202.37.182.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 20 permit 202.37.187.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 25 permit 202.37.194.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 30 permit 202.49.59.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 35 permit 202.49.88.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 40 permit 202.49.148.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 45 permit 202.49.176.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 50 permit 202.49.180.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 55 permit 202.49.186.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 60 permit 202.49.240.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 65 permit 202.49.249.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 70 permit 202.50.84.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 75 permit 202.50.103.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 80 permit 202.50.255.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 85 permit 203.109.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 90 permit 203.118.128.0/18 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 95 permit 203.173.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 100 permit 210.55.184.0/24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 105 permit 210.55.202.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list ihug-networks seq 110 permit 210.55.248.0/21 le 24 -- Leon Chang, CCNP, CCDP Senior Network Engineer The Internet Group Ltd. (IHUG), Auckland, New Zealand AS7657 PH: +64 9 359 2710 --------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nameserver redundancy (of debatable on-topicness)
by Joe Abley 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Morning, I'm looking for an ISP with a presence in Wellington who would like to swap 5U of colo somewhere close to the WIX for something similar in Auckland, close to the APE. Gear to be colo'd is a rack-mount nameserver plus UPS plus router; traffic to the nameserver will be overwhelmingly domestic, mainly DNS, plus a tiny dribble of management traffic. Reason for looking is to increase nameserver diversity. If anybody is interested, please drop me some private mail. Thanks! Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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KCBBS / APE routing loop
by James Spooner 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

On behalf of a KCBBS customer... traceroute to 202.27.195.82 (202.27.195.82), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 mid-e1-int (210.55.255.62) 8.859 ms 0.394 ms 0.363 ms 2 a3-0-29.tkcr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.37.247.153) 12.388 ms 48.227 ms 90.343 ms 3 A5-0-0-19.akcr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.245.105) 58.507 ms 118.496 ms 100.527 ms 4 telstraclear1.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.32) 115.903 ms 82.286 ms 62.978 ms 5 netgate.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.48) 28.580 ms 17.625 ms 19.105 ms 6 telstraclear1.ape.net.nz (192.203.154.32) 23.076 ms 22.687 ms * BGP Path: 202.27.192.0/21 202.37.247.153 IGP 0 100 SEQ 4648 4768 9303 9303; No global-gateway traffic seems to be getting to KCBBS, other APE peers (ICONZ) seem fine. International also working (according to route-server.cerf.net) Is somebody leaking routes at APE ? Cheers James - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Intel HAM modem strings ?
by Simon Byrnand 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Not sure if this is ontopic, but I'll give it a go anyway ;-) Does anyone know of an init string for Intel HAM based modems that will force them to connect using only V34 ? (That works ?) People on rural lines often can't get reliable connections using V90 or 56Flex, but forcing the modem to use V34 usually makes a huge improvement. For the common Rockwell and Lucent based modems its easy, for example -V90=0S38=0 for LT winmodems and +MS=V34 for most Rockwell based modems. So far I've been totally unable to find a string that actually works for the Intel HAM based modems, and they seem to be worse than other modems when it comes to not falling back automatically on poor lines. (Read: they wont even connect at all on typical rural lines where Lucent/Rockwell modems will at least get some kind of connection, albeit dodgy) Any pointers ? (Sorry if this is offtopic, but I thought it was an issue that most ISP's will have had to deal with at some time or another) Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DRS Outage
by Tim John 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Hi all, Many of you may already know that the Shared Registry System is to be implemented this weekend, 12th - 14th October 2002. As a result, the DRS will be taken down at 10:00 hrs on Saturday and will not be available until 01:00 hrs on the following Monday. A manual zone build will be pushed at 10:00 on Saturday and there will not be another zone push until 11:00 on Monday 14th. No domain registrations or modifications will be allowed during the outage period. There is currently a note from the Domain Name Commissioner (DNC) and this can be found at the Domainz website under 'Info/Media Center' or on the DNC's site - http://www.dnc.net.nz. We apologies for this inconvenience but look forward to using the new Registry system early next week. Regards, Tim Tim John IT Manager Managing New Zealand's National domain name Registry E-mail: tim.john(a)domainz.net.nz Web: www.domainz.net.nz Fax: (04) 473 - 4569 Phone: (04) 473 - 4567 DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mailwasher (again)
by Simon Lyall 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Sorry to divert people from the Microsoft bashing but I'd thought I'd bring this up again. I mentioned a few months ago about Mailwasher forging bounces, anyway I was hoping they would go away or their latest version would fix the problem but it doesn't appear that way. Checking our outgoing queues around 50% of emails waiting to go out appear to be mailwasher forgeries ( bounces from our mail servers are elsewhere) and I'm getting a little worried. I really try hard to get customer email delivered and I don't what "normal" email to get delayed when it gets stuck behind mailwasher junk. Just wondering what others are doing? Private email is okay. I'm trying to avoid blocking or deleting them if I can. One suggestion was to forward them all to feedback(a)mailwasher.net :) . The other problem is that it is fairly hard to actually pick these messages out from others in the queue safely. Maybe I can sic the fraud squad on Mr Bolton for forging my email address. FDrom their FAQ: Q. How does MailWasher bounce messages? A. MailWasher uses an algorithm to determine the best route to send the bounced message back (from, reply to, return path) and actually sends the bounce back via your isp's postmaster, so it looks exactly like it has come from your isp and not from you at your address. If the spammer has used a fake address, then your bounce message will itself be bounced back to the postmaster and you won't receive the bounced bounce email. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Mailwasher (again)
by Simon Byrnand 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

At 11:11 3/10/02 +1200, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Simon Byrnand wrote: >> I have to agree here. By definition email should have a return address if >> it is "genuine". If the domain name of the "from" address doesn't even >> exist, then its almost a sure bet that the email is bogus, and I see no >> reason it should be accepted. Most MTA's seem to default to this action as >> well. > >I guess you don't get email from people who post to newsgroups, most of >them use bogus addresses so if they reply via email to a post the address >will not be legit ( john(a)notihug.co.nz.nospam sort of thing ). Most newsreaders I've seen that have email integrated allow you to set a different email address for posting to the news group than for sending email. Even Outlook Express does this. People writing newsreaders know that fake address are almost mandatory to avoid being spammed....Newsreaders that don't have integrated email will be launching the normal email program with normal email address. You definately have a point, but I've honestly never come across this actually happening before. >Checking around I also came across: > >From: Promos(a)Glengarry Wines > >Which appears to be a legit little mailout sent last week from >e-wine(a)Glengarry.co.nz . I didn't see any others in the search. Are you talking about the envelope-sender address or the "From:" header ? It looks like you're talking about the From: header here. I'm (and presumably Chris was) talking about the envelope from address, as exchanged at the beginning of the SMTP transaction... >Our spam filtering also has a "No MX for From address" rules that helps >block those. Still if you feel comfortable blocking customer's email on >that basis I guess it's your choice. It's not part of a spam filter, its just a standard sendmail setting, which defaults to on. (I could turn it off if I wanted to) You made me curious though, so I did a quick survey of the ISP's listed in iMAG to see if they'd accept a message with a bogus domain as an envelope from address: (not a very scientific survey, but..) Actrix: Yes Baycity: No Clear Net: No Ezysurf: No E3: No HyperNet: Yes Iconz: No Igrin: No Ihug: Yes Inspire: No Iprolink: Yes Jafa Net: No Kc Computer: No Maxnet: Yes Net4U: Yes Orcon: Yes paradise.net: No Planet: No Quik: No Quicksilver: No Slingshot: Yes Valuenet: Yes Watchdog: Yes Wave: No Worldnet: Yes Xtra: Yes Zip Internet: Yes Thats 13 Yes's, and 14 No's. A couple of remarks - a few are actually virutal ISP's sharing the same mailserver so that would skew the results a bit, also I only checked the primary MX. I also suspect that it really comes down to the defaults of the mailserver in question rather than a thought-out policy, as most (but not all) the servers that rejected the bogus message were sendmail, or looked like sendmail, and that is the default of sendmail. (As an aside, I noticed more than one who were running ancient versions of sendmail that have, umm, known bugs.... ahem :) Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [NZNET] RE: Virus alert
by Saby Singh 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

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Re: [NZNET] RE: Virus alert
by Mark Foster 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:52:46 +1200 (NZST), Lin Nah <lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz> wrote : > Having said all that, I will admit that I work for an ISP that sets up > its customers on Outlook or OE. I think most of us know why that > happens. If you don't you can email me for a longer spiel 8) > Should we be doing more to educate our users? The answer would be yes. > I would like to find out what other NZ ISPs are doing in this area > with the hope of learning what works and what won't. A small clarification, I nearly posted this yesterday but it didnt seem appropriate or required at the time... Im one of the helpdesk team at the ISP Lin also works for. Our helpdesk is familiar with Outlook Express but that doesnt mean we're close minded about it. We regularly support clients who use other mailing software and as long as the software is reasonably generic we manage. We dont force our clients to use OE, but we do suggest it to our clients *because its there*. The differentiation is important, and stereotyping against helpdesk types isnt going to help. We all start somewhere. :-) I run Eudora in Sponsored mode and find it more than adequate - never caught anything through that, and I have never run resident antivirus either. (I manually scan my system from time to time using F-Prot for DOS.) Prior to using Eudora I used Netscape Messenger (4.x) and found this was also pretty good, although the limitation to only one mailbox is what forced me to migrate. Now that Netscape 7 is out I may consider switching back soon.... I think most ISP helpdesks crewed by reasonable people will accept that their clients dont *have* to use Outlook Express, and the only reason they may encourage their clients to use it is that especially for the less-than- technically-savvy sort, OE is easy to setup, and provided with all versions of Windows from 98 upward. If you work for an ISP and you dont have support staff familiar with a broader range of email clients than Outlook and Outlook Express, I would seriously suggest some more training is in order: Eudora, Netscape Messenger and Pegasus come to mind as alternatives, but theres obviously a lot more. </end rant> Mark. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [NZNET] RE: Virus alert
by Donald Neal 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

I'm not really happy that this sort of posting meets the AUP, which talks about discussion between operators. There are cetainly announcements which may be of value to the list, but these seem to me to be characterised by not being present on a routine basis in other forums. I think that to allow announcements of this kind would have an unacceptable effect on the signal to noise ratio of the list. Unless people particularly want to see these here, I intend in future to treat them as outside the AUP. - Donald Neal NZNOG List Administrator > E-Secure-IT has just received this field report: > > While it does all the normal mass mailing stuff, own smtp engine, > harvests address lists etc this one did something really weird that > I've never seen before- it sent a postscript print job to > every printer > it could find. > > The scary thing was it even picked up printers attached to parallel > ports and which were not shared and sent the print job to them too. > I know it tries to access network shares, but looks like it tries to > access print q's also, be interested to see if anyone else has > seen this? > > FYI can confirm that NAV sigs of 30/9 do detect and clean. > > Arjen > www.e-secure-db.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

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RE: [NZNET] RE: Virus alert
by Arjen De Landgraaf 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

E-Secure-IT has just received this field report: While it does all the normal mass mailing stuff, own smtp engine, harvests address lists etc this one did something really weird that I've never seen before- it sent a postscript print job to every printer it could find. The scary thing was it even picked up printers attached to parallel ports and which were not shared and sent the print job to them too. I know it tries to access network shares, but looks like it tries to access print q's also, be interested to see if anyone else has seen this? FYI can confirm that NAV sigs of 30/9 do detect and clean. Arjen www.e-secure-db.us - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Updated ASN allocation to ARIN
by Rob Thomas 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

Hi, NZNOG folks. [ Apologies to those of you who have seen this post in other fora. ] A range of ASNs have been allocated to ARIN as of September 2002. The range is 26624 - 27647. You may wish to adjust your filters. The definitive list can be found here: http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers I have updated my bogus ASN monitoring to reflect these changes. You can see the list of networks that leak bogus ASNs here: http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty); - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [NZNET] RE: Virus alert
by Joe Abley 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

[I keep trying to redirect this noise somewhere else. Seems like some peoples' mail clients don't respect standard headers, or something] On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 04:47:16PM +1200, James Spooner wrote: > Are you in fact an expert on car safety, or do you buy/travel in a car based > on what you know about car safety? I'm no expert. > If in fact you do, does this not make you a parallel to someone using > windows and outlook express, who 'should know better'. > > Why do you think you travel in a particular car, is it perhaps because it's > available and it gets you from A to B? Sure. I don't make a habit of travelling in cars which are not licenced to drive on the road, though, and that affords me some safety without needing first-hand, expert knowledge of the dangers involved. > I think that the Car vs Computer parallel in fact works in favour of windows > in this case Joe. I don't follow you. There are safeguards set up to ensure people don't drive in unsafe cars, regardless of how little they personally know about car safety. There are no safeguards set up to encourage people not to use unsafe mail clients. The regular virus bulletins could say "as with this other large list of security problems, this one can be avoided simply by using a different mail client", but they don't. ISPs could stop shipping OE, or could find ways to encourage users to install different mail clients, but they don't. > Check my headers if you wonder which client I use :) So why do you use it? Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Virus alert
by Arjen De Landgraaf 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

Hi Joe, We could state that in our advisories, However, wouldn't it be on the same line as: Avoid car accidents, disable all petrol and diesel? Personally I would love to have the death rate on the road reduced to 0. If this is realistically achievable right now is another question. The reality is that Microsoft and all its products are a very large part of the global business world right now. Just as unsafe cars. We can make them somewhat safer by awareness and vigilance, just as driving a car. That is not to say that we don't agree with you, but the other side of the coin is that there are plenty of "non-windows" threats around; SSL, apache etc also have their own vulnerabilities. Arjen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:40 PM To: Arjen De Landgraaf Cc: 'Simon Byrnand'; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Virus alert On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 03:16:57PM +1200, Arjen De Landgraaf wrote: > From www.e-secure-it.us > > DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF BUGBEAR, HOW TO RECOGNISE AND FIRST AID KIT. It continues to amazme me that the preventative measure "do not use microsoft e-mail clients", or even "do not use windows" is never suggested as part of these bulletins. I think ISP and IT helpdesks of the world would do everybody a big favour if they just stopped supporting mail clients which make it so trivial to execute encapsulated scripts. "I propose that we deploy Microsoft Outlook". "You're fired. Never insult us with your presence again." Mmm. "I have a problem with my e-mail." "Does it say Outlook Express at the top of the window?" "Yes." <click> brrrrrrr Reply-To set :) Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [NZNET] RE: Virus alert
by Darryl Munro 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 03:58:36PM +1200, Arjen De Landgraaf wrote: > Hi Joe, > > We could state that in our advisories, > However, wouldn't it be on the same line as: > > Avoid car accidents, disable all petrol and diesel? >No; I think it would be more along the lines of "do not drive vehicles >which are unsafe". LOL or could we also say "do not do those drugs as they are unsafe" > The reality is that Microsoft and all its products are > a very large part of the global business world right > now. Just as unsafe cars. We can make them > somewhat safer by awareness and vigilance, > just as driving a car. >Not quite. We reduce the problem of unsafe cars by passing laws which >seek to enforce minimum standards for cars. If nobody took any steps to >get unsafe cars off the road, more people would die. The same could be said of the Internet, as more and more countries pass legislation on what is and isn't acceptable use of this medium. If nobody took any steps to pass and police these laws then more software vulnerabilities would be discovered and exposed by, what can arguably be explained as the biggest pain in our collective IT butt, Hackers, or did I mean developers that move from the standard to claim their own. >If the most popular car on the road had a defect which routinely caused >people to die, I don't think people would say "the reality is that the >car in question has a large market share, so it's really not practical >to encourage people not to drive it." Fix the defect and do a recall on the car in question, it is not a question of practicality more one of morality, and we all know that practicality and morality are clouded when it comes to the bottom line. Darryl Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Virus alert
by Arjen De Landgraaf 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

>From www.e-secure-it.us DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF BUGBEAR, HOW TO RECOGNISE AND FIRST AID KIT. Bugbear / Tanatos This virus is written in MSVC and packed with UPX. It shuts down anti-virus and firewall software designed to block out intruders and can spread by dropping copies of itself into folders on shared networks, which are commonly used at corporations and large organizations. The worm's most interesting feature is a Trojan horse component called PWS-Hooker that secretly watches every keystroke on an infected computer, and stores the captured information on the computer in encrypted form. The data can be accessed later by the virus writer or anyone else who happens upon the infected computer, or it can be e-mailed to the author. Bugbear might be spreading because it is cleverly crafted and difficult to spot with the naked eye. It arrives in a victim's e-mail inbox with a subject line chosen randomly from dozens of possibilities, including: Possible message subject lines include the following (however, other random subject lines are also possible): 25 merchants and rising Announcement bad news CALL FOR INFORMATION! click on this! Correction of errors Cows Daily Email Reminder empty account fantastic free shipping! Get 8 FREE issues - no risk! Get a FREE gift! Greets! Hello! Hi! history screen hmm.. I need help about script!!! Interesting... Introduction its easy Just a reminder Lost & Found Market Update Report Membership Confirmation My eBay ads New bonus in your cash account New Contests new reading News Payment notices Please Help... Re: $150 FREE Bonus! Report SCAM alert!!! Sponsors needed Stats Today Only Tools For Your Online Business update various Warning! wow! Your Gift Your News Alert The message body varies and may contain fragments of files found on the victim's system. The attachment name also varies, but may contain the following strings: Card Docs image images music news photo pics readme resume Setup song video The actual infected file arrives as an attachment, which also has a random name. And Bugbear's first task, upon infection, is to disable all installed antivirus software. It's throwing a lot of things at people to see if it can find something to slip under the radar. Once activated, the virus shuts down scores of vital processes used by Windows and by antivirus software, records user keystrokes, opens a backdoor to the infected machine for use by attackers, and attempts to mail copies of itself out to other users, randomly generating new subject lines and virus executable names as it does W32/Bugbear-A is an internet worm which spreads via SMTP and also attempts to spread via network shares. The worm copies itself to the Windows system folder as a file with a random four-letter name and an EXE extension and adds to the following registry entry to run this file on the next reboot: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce W32/Bugbear-A also drops a copy of itself in the Windows start up folder so that is run on system restart. The worm drops a randomly-named DLL file, which is related to logging keystrokes, in the Windows system folder. It can also terminate certain firewall and antivirus programs. How to recognise: The virus file is attached to e-mails with a wide variety of subject lines : Attachment Length: 50,688 bytes (UPXed) or 50,664 bytes The subject line, name of the attachment and text in the body of the message can vary, and the attachment name typically has a double extension, such as .xxx.pif, .xxx.scr etc IF YOU ARE INFECTED: Symptoms: Method Of Infection This virus spreads over the network (via network shares) and by mailing itself (using it's on SMTP engine). It attempts to terminate the process of the following security programs: ACKWIN32.exe F-AGNT95.exe ANTI-TROJAN.exe APVXDWIN.exe AUTODOWN.exe AVCONSOL.exe AVE32.exe AVGCTRL.exe AVKSERV.exe AVNT.exe AVP32.exe AVP32.exe AVPCC.exe AVPCC.exe AVPDOS32.exe AVPM.exe AVPM.exe AVPTC32.exe AVPUPD.exe AVSCHED32.exe AVWIN95.exe AVWUPD32.exe BLACKD.exe BLACKICE.exe CFIADMIN.exe CFIAUDIT.exe CFINET.exe CFINET32.exe CLAW95.exe CLAW95CF.exe CLEANER.exe CLEANER3.exe DVP95_0.exe ECENGINE.exe ESAFE.exe ESPWATCH.exe FINDVIRU.exe FPROT.exe IAMAPP.exe IAMSERV.exe IBMASN.exe IBMAVSP.exe ICLOAD95.exe ICLOADNT.exe ICMON.exe ICSUPP95.exe ICSUPPNT.exe IFACE.exe IOMON98.exe JEDI.exe LOCKDOWN2000.exe LOOKOUT.exe LUALL.exe MOOLIVE.exe MPFTRAY.exe N32SCANW.exe NAVAPW32.exe NAVLU32.exe NAVNT.exe NAVW32.exe NAVWNT.exe NISUM.exe NMAIN.exe NORMIST.exe NUPGRADE.exe NVC95.exe OUTPOST.exe PADMIN.exe PAVCL.exe PAVSCHED.exe PAVW.exe PCCWIN98.exe PCFWALLICON.exe PERSFW.exe F-PROT.exe F-PROT95.exe RAV7.exe RAV7WIN.exe RESCUE.exe SAFEWEB.exe SCAN32.exe SCAN95.exe SCANPM.exe SCRSCAN.exe SERV95.exe SPHINX.exe F-STOPW.exe SWEEP95.exe TBSCAN.exe TDS2-98.exe TDS2-NT.exe VET95.exe VETTRAY.exe VSCAN40.exe VSECOMR.exe VSHWIN32.exe VSSTAT.exe WEBSCANX.exe WFINDV32.exe ZONEALARM.exe TROJAN: Port 36974 open Existence of the following files (* represents any character): %WinDir%\System\****.EXE (50,688 or 50,684 bytes) %WinDir%\******.DAT %WinDir%\******.DAT %WinDir%\System\******.DLL %WinDir%\System\*******.DLL %WinDir%\System\*******.DLL This worm emails itself to addresses found on the local system. The worm copies itself to the Windows system folder as a file with a random four-letter name and an EXE extension and adds to the following registry entry to run this file on the next reboot: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce When run on the victim machine it copies itself to %WinDir%\System as ****.EXE (where * represents random character). For example in testing: Win98 : C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\FYFA.EXE 2k Pro : C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\FVFA.EXE The following Registry key is set in order to hook next system startup: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion RunOnce "%random letters%" = %random filename%.EXE (Win9x) The worm copies itself to the Startup folder on the victim machine as ***.EXE (where * represents random character), for example: Win98 : C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\CUK.EXE 2k Pro : C:\Documents and Settings\(username)\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\CYC.EXE Trojan component The worm opens a port on the victim machine - port 36794 and searches for various running processes, stopping them if found. The list of processes includes many popular AV and personal firewall products. This remote access server allows an attacker to upload, and download files, run executes, and terminate processes. It drops a DLL on the victim machine - keylogger related. This DLL is detected as PWS-Hooker.dll. Network share propagation The worm attempts to copy itself to the Startup folder of remote machines on the network (as ***.EXE - described above). Outgoing messages look to make use of the Incorrect MIME Header Can Cause IE to Execute E-mail Attachment vulnerability (MS01-020) in Microsoft Internet Explorer (ver 5.01 or 5.5 without SP2). FIRST AID KIT: AS EMERGENCY MEASURE - Remove, Disable or encrypt all local email addresses (addressbook etc) TO PREVENT FROM SPREADING (BEFORE YOU ARE INFECTED) INCOMING EMAILS: Filter on attachment length 50,688 bytes (UPXed) or 50,664 bytes Filter out attachments, especially .pif, .scr (By the way, you should filter out all attachments anyway) Nail down your Network shares - it replicates itself through them. Make sure all USER PC's have IE updated with latest security patches It takes advantage of a known vulnerability in Microsoft's Internet Explorer versions 5.01 and 5.5 that allows attackers to embed malicious code in the header of an improperly formatted HTML message that could cause e-mail clients such as Outlook to automatically launch attached executable files. Microsoft addressed the issue in Service Bulletin MS01-020 and issued a patch for the vulnerability in March of 2001. Trojan: Port 36974 open - CHECK ON THIS PORT!!!! Existence of the following files (* represents any character): %WinDir%\System\****.EXE (50,688 or 50,684 bytes) %WinDir%\******.DAT %WinDir%\******.DAT %WinDir%\System\******.DLL %WinDir%\System\*******.DLL %WinDir%\System\*******.DLL FURTHER INFORMATION ON PWS-HOOKER: Type: Zoo Trojan Horse Infection Length: variable Systems Affected: Windows 3.x, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Me Trojans in this family can record your keystrokes and store this information in encrypted form. The Trojan sends this encrypted file and the IP address of the compromised computer to email addresses that are defined by the hacker. The following is a description of a specific PWS.Hooker.Trojan variant that can be dropped by the W32.Badtrans.gen(a)mm worm. When the Trojan runs, it does the following: It copies itself as C:\%System%\Kern32.exe. NOTE: %System% is a variable. The Trojan locates the \Windows\System folder (by default this is C:\Windows\System or C:\Winnt\System32) and copies itself to that location. It also drops C:\%System%\Hksdll.dll. This file is a component of, and is detected as W32.Badtrans.gen(a)mm. The Trojan adds the value kernel32 C:\%System%\kern32.exe to the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce This causes the Trojan to run then next time that you start Windows. Arjen de Landgraaf www.e-secure-db.us www.e-secure-it.us -----Original Message----- From: Simon Byrnand [mailto:simon(a)igrin.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:14 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Virus alert For those that havn't noticed yet, a new virus has just come out which is spreading extremely rapidly. Depending on what antivirus software you use its called "W32.Bugbear(a)mm" (Norton Antivirus) or "I-Worm.Tanatos" (Kaspersky) - it may go under different names on other scanners. Both Norton and Kaspersky have only added detection of it in the last 12 hours AFAIK, and it looks like it has been in the wild in NZ at least 24 hours before updates to most scanners were able to detect it. (On topic bit :) The thing that's interesting about this particular virus is that it actively scans netblocks for machines listening on port 137 (Windows file/printer sharing) using simple incremental scans, so its quite easy to spot machines that are infected. Apparently it also sends information about the compromised machine to a pre-defined email address, and also opens a backdoor listening on TCP port 36794. As well as that, it uses the I-Frame exploit to automatically infect machines with unpatched versions of Outlook Express, and has the ability to automatically close all commonly used virus scanners whenever you try to run them. Based on the massive flood of this virus we've seen today it looks like a Klez killer has arrived..... (its outnumbering Klez by about 16 to 1 in our stats today) More info: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.bugbear(a)mm.ht… Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Virus alert
by Simon Byrnand 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

For those that havn't noticed yet, a new virus has just come out which is spreading extremely rapidly. Depending on what antivirus software you use its called "W32.Bugbear(a)mm" (Norton Antivirus) or "I-Worm.Tanatos" (Kaspersky) - it may go under different names on other scanners. Both Norton and Kaspersky have only added detection of it in the last 12 hours AFAIK, and it looks like it has been in the wild in NZ at least 24 hours before updates to most scanners were able to detect it. (On topic bit :) The thing that's interesting about this particular virus is that it actively scans netblocks for machines listening on port 137 (Windows file/printer sharing) using simple incremental scans, so its quite easy to spot machines that are infected. Apparently it also sends information about the compromised machine to a pre-defined email address, and also opens a backdoor listening on TCP port 36794. As well as that, it uses the I-Frame exploit to automatically infect machines with unpatched versions of Outlook Express, and has the ability to automatically close all commonly used virus scanners whenever you try to run them. Based on the massive flood of this virus we've seen today it looks like a Klez killer has arrived..... (its outnumbering Klez by about 16 to 1 in our stats today) More info: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.bugbear(a)mm.ht… Regards, Simon Byrnand iGRIN Internet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: domain renewal fee
by Donald Neal 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

> From: Andy Gardner [mailto:andy(a)navigator.co.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2002 08:59 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: domain renewal fee > > > At 8:52 AM +1200 9/25/02, Donald Neal wrote: > >Discussion of the value of InternetNZ's involvement with > ICANN looks to me > >to be way outside that policy. > > Not when you consider that ICANN is attempting to dictate > policy to APNIC. Discussion of APNIC: In Discussion of InternetNZ's air fares/hotel bills: Out - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: domain renewal fee
by Donald Neal 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

> From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha(a)saarinen.org] > Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2002 08:47 > To: DPF > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: domain renewal fee [...] > > Hummm... $73,423 is the actual figure, so each meeting costs just over > $18,000, or $9,000 per person. > > Are the meetings worth that kind of expenditure? Could subscribers please remember that the AUP for this list reads in part: 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. ... 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. Discussion of the value of InternetNZ's involvement with ICANN looks to me to be way outside that policy. I believe any operational content of this thread has now been exhausted. - Donald Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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