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OT:A call to arms, to help a lowly newbie Cisco guy!
by Malcolm Lockyer 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

Hey All! Well, I recently took on the task of configuring a cisco 2503 to work on a frame relay. As anyone who has looked at the cisco documentation would note, that it isn't very user friendly for newbies, and it aint very consise. Today I spent 1 1/2 hours tryin' to configure the 2503 (note, although it is a 2503, we are not using the ISDN interface - we are only using the 2503 because it was aquired very cost effectivly BG). I can make the Ethernet interface work with no problems at all, and can ping and so forth back and forth between a linux box. I cannot make it do anything with the frame interface, the system summary tells me that the interface is okay - and it is 'up', but pings to specfic I.P's do nothing, as do pings from the linux box ( I have setup the default gateway properly). I know people would charge a lot of money for advice like this, but I'm appealing to anybody who kinda knows what they are doing when it comes to 2500 series routers. Make this your good dead of the year BG. So, if anybody could run through the process of configuring a 2503 for a single frame relay on Serial0, and what I have to type, and do etc. and the local settings (like the routing protocal used). It would be more appreciated than you could ever imagine :D. And I'd find a way to pay you back (at least partialy) somtime. Well, THANK YOU VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE!! Just a little info about our setup: The 2503 is connected to an NTU via an x.21 cable on Serial0. The frame has a PVC of 64K - and will be used for radius. It is tempararily connected through an AUI to Ethernet adaptor, to a hub ( will be a switch once it works :P). Well, I just have to say THANK YOU once again :D. Best regards, Malcolm (hivemind) Lockyer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Frank March 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

<also encompassing comments from John Russell and Chris Wedgewood, and Simon Brynand subsequently> This case is altogether different from the last request that was made: in that case the person was a poster to this list and compounded the issue by making further statements on the list. The issue here is that someone whose name is not in any way associated with this list has had his details published on the list. Were this transient it probably would not matter at all. But the list is archived and on the Waikato University Web site at that. The fact that the same information is available on other publicly accessible Web sites or through Whois or whatever is not relevant. Under the Privacy Act, anyone is entitled to ask for information held about them on a database (a Web site qualifies as such under the Act IIRC) to be corrected or amended, or deleted should the information no longer have any purpose in being stored. The person concerned is exercising a legal right and Waikato University is obliged to recognise that. I am surprised that the request to Donald has not been couched rather more forcefully. If action is not taken it may well be; it is not impossible that Waikato University could request that this list be removed from the site altogether. They would be entitled to do so. In my view Donald, respecting the note you have made that you are not responsible for the archive and/or its contents; but in view of the responsibility you take on yourself to act as guardian of the list standards, if not as list moderator, you have no choice but to proceed as you have suggested and delete the person's personal details. The lesson here for us all, as noted by Chris already in his note, is that we should take care in the information placed onto the list (and hence the archive) if it is not ours to begin with. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lyall [SMTP:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 12:27 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: The Archives, Again > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: > > So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and > > holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can > > be read at > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and > > replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request > > of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so > > promptly and briefly. > > I'm a little confused as to why they want this removed, since exactly the > same information is on domainz's web site (and would be in the whois > database if it was working). I've checked and the information doesn't > appear to have been changed between what domains has now and what is on > the archive. > > > > -- > Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: > http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Simon Byrnand 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

At 04:04 PM 7/12/01 +1300, Tony McGregor wrote: >Sure, but when he does find some one holding information about him, in >NZ, the privacy act gives him the right to ask for it to be corrected. No data here needs "correcting" - the data is still up to date according to the domainz page. :-) (Ok, we're wildly off topic here, so I'll shut up now) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Mark Foster 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

I dont see the big deal insofar as what on earth are we doing that needs to be hidden from NZ jurisdiction? We have nothing to hide - isnt that the problem, that our archives are not hidden? :p I agree with the newspaper anology to a large degree - you cant change the past, even if its stored electronically and therefore is *able* to be modified. The only exception I would make was in the case of excessively libelious comments.. Where only the facts are recorded, it shouldnt be that big a deal? Im not sure if I should ask the question 'who reads our archives anyway?' because i'll probably find theres a lot of closet NZNOG'rs out there.. :) At 15:09 7/12/01 +1300, you wrote: >The Canadian Privacy Act is very similar in many respects to the New Zealand >one, slightly more strict I understand, but based on the same OECD Privacy >Guidelines and in full accord with the EU Directive on Privacy (NZ is >delinquent in some respects according to the EU). > >I am not sure quite what the position is wrt persons from outside Canadian >jurisdiction but Canadian law may be more likely to accommodate concerned NZ >citizens with info held on them in Canada than vice versa, as I understand >it. > *snip* - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nzno@lionra.net.nzRe: The Archives, Again (fwd
by Andy Linton 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: > So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and > holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can > be read at > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and > replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request > of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so > promptly and briefly. Given that the Domainz Terms of Service say: --- Use of information collected The management of the DNS involves the collection of personal information to provide public name listing services. This is in line with other Internet domain name registration services world-wide. Information is collected in one of two ways: * by .nz Provider/Agents acting on behalf of a name holder, or * directly from the name holder through the Domainz web site All information collected will be considered as information within the public domain. It may be published on the Domainz web site, and will be accessible to all users of the Internet. --- it seems difficult to see how someone can object to that information being accessible to those users of the Internet who access the NZNOG list archive. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Frank March 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

The Canadian Privacy Act is very similar in many respects to the New Zealand one, slightly more strict I understand, but based on the same OECD Privacy Guidelines and in full accord with the EU Directive on Privacy (NZ is delinquent in some respects according to the EU). I am not sure quite what the position is wrt persons from outside Canadian jurisdiction but Canadian law may be more likely to accommodate concerned NZ citizens with info held on them in Canada than vice versa, as I understand it. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [SMTP:jabley(a)automagic.org] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 15:01 > To: Tony McGregor > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: The Archives, Again > > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:11:23PM +1300, Tony McGregor wrote: > > Moving the archive off shore won't help either if the information is > > "held by" a New Zealand agency. I.E. if the list is a UoW list but > > someone else hosts the archives it's probably still covered. > > I'm not convinced I understand how the UoW could entice me to edit > my archives, speaking as a resident of Canada, and with reference > to an archive hosted in the US. > > But I'm happy to host the list too, if that helps :) Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Frank March 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

<B***ger> memory failure again. Nevertheless, my argument stands on the slightly modified ground of the details being of no direct relevance to the purpose of the list. Perhaps Joe's offer should be taken up. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Neal [SMTP:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 13:01 > To: Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz > Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: RE: The Archives, Again > > >>> "Frank March" <Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz> 12/07/01 12:54 >>> > <also encompassing comments from John Russell and Chris Wedgewood, and > Simon > Brynand subsequently> > > >This case is altogether different from the last request that was made: > in > >that case the person was a poster to this list and compounded the > issue by > >making further statements on the list. > > The only previous case concerns Mr. Angelo. No, he wasn't a poster to > this list. No, he didn't make any statement to this list. It is possible > to argue that his actions were themselves relevant to the purpose of > this list, and that reports of his actions do not constitute personal > information. But both cases concern people who are not subscribers to > this list. > Any opinions expressed in this message are not necessarily those of the Ministry of Economic Development. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivery to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: The Archives, Again
by Donald Neal 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

>>> "Frank March" <Frank.March(a)med.govt.nz> 12/07/01 12:54 >>> <also encompassing comments from John Russell and Chris Wedgewood, and Simon Brynand subsequently> >This case is altogether different from the last request that was made: in >that case the person was a poster to this list and compounded the issue by >making further statements on the list. The only previous case concerns Mr. Angelo. No, he wasn't a poster to this list. No, he didn't make any statement to this list. It is possible to argue that his actions were themselves relevant to the purpose of this list, and that reports of his actions do not constitute personal information. But both cases concern people who are not subscribers to this list. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/07/01 13:01:01 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: The Archives, Again
by Simon Byrnand 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

At 12:27 PM 7/12/01 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Donald Neal wrote: >> So, I'm proposing that the lines between holder_name and >> holder_addr_citycountry inclusive be removed from the posting which can >> be read at >> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/2001/10/msg00046.html and >> replaced with a note stating that they have been removed at the request >> of the name holder. Could anyone objecting to this please say so >> promptly and briefly. >I'm a little confused as to why they want this removed, since exactly the >same information is on domainz's web site (and would be in the whois >database if it was working). I've checked and the information doesn't >appear to have been changed between what domains has now and what is on >the archive. If the information is in a publically accessible place like domainz, then its fair game as far as I can see. The reason for wanting it removed is more likely that he's trying to keep a low profile with a potentially controversial domain name, but those that might care are no doubt already aware of it.... :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Mark your Palm Pilots - NZNOG Xmas Special - Auckland
by Roger De Salis 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Final reminder - roll up, roll up for the amazing NZNOG Xmas Function Make sure you bring a business card, (or something with your name on (eg $20 bill)) due to raffling of prizes Vendors excluded from prizes... > Auckland - When: Wednesday 5th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L25, ASB Tower, 135 Albert St > Who: Anyone who has typed "sh int" > RSVP to: moi Pedants amongst you have forced a revision of my original "sho int" thus revealing my extremely infrequent use of IOS. Thanks to all who have responded so far, I hope I've responded to most. Anyone who arrives after the doors close, ring the cell phone below.... Don't forget the Wellington function on > Wellington When: Tuesday 18th December, 4pm onwards > Where: Cisco, L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St > Who: As above > RSVP to: moi -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. This list has just over 300 subscribers, with the number rising by a few each month. You may only post to the list from an address subscribed to one of the lists described below. (Non-member postings and spam continue to be bounced in roughly equal volumes.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. 10. A person repeatedly breaching list etiquette shall receive warnings from the list administrator. A further breach after the second such warning within thirty days shall result in the offender being unsubscribed from the list. Other action may also be taken to block postings to the list by the offender. Any such unsubscription is to be immediately announced to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ Any message sent to the list will be archived and made available on the web automatically. Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Post-only Mailing List An address from which you wish to post, but which will not receive messages from the list, may be subscribed to nznog-postonly. You will presumably want to have another address subscribed to the main nznog list. Other Activities Thanks to Cisco and Juniper for the 2001 Christmas party. The list administrator may soon start seeking to twist arms in search of contributions for a conference in late June or early July 2002. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins This email message is a public document. I don't speak for Telecom and they don't speak for me. "WorldSecure Server <telecom.co.nz>" made the following annotations on 12/06/01 13:23:34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you." ============================================================================== - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Clearnets mail servers
by Olof Olsson 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

All, > Are there any Clear mail admins on this list? We are > currently queueing > about 10,000 messages for Zfree and Clear.net. Anyone else having the > same problem? > We have been experiencing a denial-of-service attack on our incoming mail servers this afternoon. This meant that incoming mail connections were intermittently refused. The issue has been resolved, and service should now be back to normal. --Olof -- Olof Olsson <oolsson(a)clear.co.nz> System Architect, CLEAR Communications Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Clearnets mail servers
by Jesse Ball 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Hi All, Are there any Clear mail admins on this list? We are currently queueing about 10,000 messages for Zfree and Clear.net. Anyone else having the same problem? Cheers, Jesse Ball Xtra Messaging Team - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight
by David Farrar 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Couldn't resist sharing this one with those likely to be familiar with RFC 1149. Most amusing part of the news story is when the pigeon hit a window so someone commented "Windows causing problems again" :-) DPF >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:24:30 -0800 >To: jwarren(a)well.com, farber(a)cis.upenn.edu, declan(a)well.com >From: Ron Avitzur <avitzur(a)pacifict.com> >Subject: Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > >Pigeon-powered Internet takes flight > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5825807.html > >>One of the Internet's most obscure technologies came to life last >>weekend: transmitting network information by carrier pigeon. >> >>In 1990, David Waitzman wrote RFC 1149, a tongue-in-cheek standard >>for using pigeons to transfer information using the Internet >>Protocol (IP). On Saturday, a group of Linux enthusiasts in Bergen, >>Norway, succeeded in exchanging some data using the Carrier Pigeon >>Internet Protocol (CPIP). For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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IP Net Broken
by John Lynch 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

I case anyone was wondering Telecoms Radius server has exploded, taking out 80% of ipnet they working on it at the moment, oh took me ages to track down the right people, there help desk number is 0800 808126. John Lynch System Administrator (string and tape specialist) Wise Net - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Hi All, I seem to recall some discussion a while back about the current state of orbz and also in relation to Xtra, but I can't locate it since the archives are not searchable. (At least not the ones I found) Is anybody here using any kind of automatic spam blacklisting system like orbz with success ? By success I mean that apart from being reliable, that it cuts down a worthwhile amount of spam but without blocking legitimate stuff. I know Xtra was blacklisted for quite some time, was that ever resolved ? Am I just asking for problems even just thinking about something like this ? Comments ? Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Orbz and similar services
by Simon Byrnand 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

At 04:16 PM 3/12/01 +1300, pete clare wrote: >> Well, ORBS closed down as far as I know, and now there is ORBZ, I don't >> know the relation between the two.... > >for what it's worth someone on a list said they had luck with >http://www.ordb.org For completeness, here is the URL for orbz http://www.orbz.org/ As pointed out by others there isnt any relation between ORBS and ORBZ. (or ORDB either probably - now we're getting confusing :) Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Article on Slashdot, quick comments
by Chris Wedgwood 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

As seen on the worlds greatest 'Stupidity Amplifier'; slashdot: http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/11/08/0237233.shtml ikekrull asks: "After looking to see how I could set up my company's LAN to be multi-homed? , I found that it would be next-to-impossible for me to do this. 'Providerless' IP addresses are no longer allocated to anybody in this part of the world (New Zealand) by APNIC? , unless you meet requirements (financial and political) that are pretty much unmeetable by anyone but a large ISP. Does this put control of the entire internet further and further into the hands of large corporate players, and and is anyone particularly interested in changing this situation?" [...] Since this was posted by someone in New Zealand is comments on APNIC directly (of which there are employees on this list) I should point out: It is my belief, based on experience in doing just this and from dealing with APNIC for several years, that being a small ISP or network user does NOT necessarily mean you are 'shut out' in any shape or form whatsoever; you can in-fact have one or both carriers take your case(s) for multi-homing to APNIC and potentially have them allocate a /24 (or whatever is appropriate) --- this address space would not be part of the carriers CIDR block and need not give the carrier leverage over your company or network as the address space can be delegate to the end-user not the carrier. I have done this before (after discussing this with people from APNIC and conforming that this was indeed a legitimate situation), is there any reason to believe that this situation has changed radically? --cw P.S. Thinking an email address like blortnospam(a)foo.com obscures your email address is bogus and just plain annoying; please don't do it people, many email address acquiring 'bots know of such patterns and will correct for them anyhow. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Citylink FTP & AONL
by Ben Martel 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

FYI, There is also a mirror of ftp.debian.org here: ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/mirror/ftp.debian.org/ ~benm > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Blake [mailto:simon(a)citylink.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 9:28 a.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: Citylink FTP & AONL > > > It shouldn't be getting filtered at APE, but we did ask AOL to stick a > block on for whatever they defined as international traffic (which I > suspect included most Global Gateway customers, due to peering > difficulties at the time). The 5 figure monthly bills for > international > data to a public-good service for the NZ net community was > just getting > a bit more than we could bear... > > It'll be fixed when icafe go onto WIX, but in the meantime if > you could > send through a full traceroute of the path you take to 210.48.103.6, > I'll check it out. Leaning on your upstream provider to join WIX is > worthwhile as well. > > Cheers > Si > > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 11:40:37PM +1300, James Spooner said: > > > > > > > > icafe:~# host ftp.nz.debian.org > > ftp.nz.debian.org CNAME ftp.citylink.co.nz > > ftp.citylink.co.nz A 210.48.103.6 > > > > > > 23:36:27.802471 icafe.44069 > > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz.ftp: S 2511414778:2511414778(0) > win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 466231697[|tcp]> (DF) > > 23:36:27.816580 asiaonlinenz.ape.net.nz > icafe: icmp: host > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz unreachable - admin prohibited filter > > > > ftp.citylink.co.nz seems to be pointing at one of AONL's > IPs, which seems > > to be filtered on port 21 at APE. > > > > Could the relevant network admins clarify please? > > > > Regards > > > > James Spooner > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > James Spooner WAND Group - > University of Waikato NZ > > Networks Lab - G.1.03 WWW: > http://wand.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jbs3 > > Phone: +64 7 8384466 extn 6728 Email: > jbs3(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz > > Mobile: +64 21 447 638 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to > majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > where the body of your message reads: > > unsubscribe nznog > - > To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > where the body of your message reads: > unsubscribe nznog > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Asia Online prefix-list update
by David Fox 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

All those who peer with Asia Online can you please remove 202.50.16.0/21 The current prefix-list is: ip prefix-list AONZ-networks description networks(a)nz.asiaonline.net ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 5 permit 202.14.100.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 10 permit 210.48.0.0/17 le 18 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 15 permit 192.173.16.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 20 permit 202.6.84.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 25 permit 202.12.70.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 30 permit 202.36.76.0/23 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 35 permit 202.37.85.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 40 permit 202.37.140.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 45 permit 202.37.144.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 50 permit 202.37.197.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 55 permit 202.37.200.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 60 permit 202.37.224.0/21 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 65 permit 202.49.144.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 70 permit 210.54.0.0/22 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 75 permit 138.235.0.0/16 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 80 permit 203.9.179.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 85 permit 203.9.180.0/24 ip prefix-list AONZ-networks seq 90 permit 210.185.16.0/20 le 21 Thanks and Regards David Fox - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Citylink FTP & AONL
by James Spooner 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

icafe:~# host ftp.nz.debian.org ftp.nz.debian.org CNAME ftp.citylink.co.nz ftp.citylink.co.nz A 210.48.103.6 23:36:27.802471 icafe.44069 > ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz.ftp: S 2511414778:2511414778(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 466231697[|tcp]> (DF) 23:36:27.816580 asiaonlinenz.ape.net.nz > icafe: icmp: host ip-210-48-103-6.iconz.net.nz unreachable - admin prohibited filter ftp.citylink.co.nz seems to be pointing at one of AONL's IPs, which seems to be filtered on port 21 at APE. Could the relevant network admins clarify please? Regards James Spooner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Spooner WAND Group - University of Waikato NZ Networks Lab - G.1.03 WWW: http://wand.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jbs3 Phone: +64 7 8384466 extn 6728 Email: jbs3(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz Mobile: +64 21 447 638 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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beer?
by Dean Pemberton 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

It's in the AUB so I'm allowed to talk about it. I'm in Auckland this week so anyone want to get together for a drink? I know that the nznog xmassy thing is on Wednesday but thats like all of 3 days away. Drop an email if you are keen. Dean - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Microsoft taking password security a little too seriously.
by Matt Camp 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q276/3/04.ASP --- Matt Camp - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ prefix usage
by David Miller 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Further to the recent discussions on prefix portability, I thought the list would be interested in this survey conducted by CAIDA, one of our research partners in the US: http://www.caida.org/analysis/geopolitical/bgp2country/ -- David Miller, BCMS (Hons) Dept. Computer Science, Waikato University, NEW ZEALAND. Mobile: +64-21-704-djm Email my mobile phone (free): Fax: +64-21-304-djm http://www.mtnsms.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Orcon Internet BGP Filters Update
by Craig Whitmore 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi.... Can everyone who is peering with Orcon Internet Please update your BGP lists/filters to allow the additional networks: AS: 17746 IP: 192.203.154.66 and 192.203.154.67 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.50.124.0/22 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.90.0/24 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.91.0/24 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.92.0/22 ip prefix-list ORCON-networks permit 202.49.244.0/22 Thanks Craig Whitmore Systems Administrator Orcon Internet http://www.orcon.net.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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provider independant IP allocations
by Drew Whittle 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

A client of ours has a provider independant assignment in the 203.0.0.0 to 203.63.255.255 range. I know that this was originally an allocated block to AUNIC in Australia, but with the switch back to APNIC the client now wants to know if they can use them here in New Zealand? I haven't managed to work out what is routable here in New Zealand and what isn't, anyone able to provider further information? (Yes I know that just because it is provider independant doesn't mean that upstream providers will route it) Thanks, Drew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: nznog archives
by Chris Wedgwood 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:33:52AM +1300, Lindsay Druett wrote: Unedited and fully intact ? Yes, unless I decide to mess with them --- perhaps blur evidence of my horrendous spelling and poor grammar :) --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: provider independant IP allocations
by cfb 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Juha Saarinen wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > > > Ironically NZ is probably cheaper than the US for bandwidth now (for > > home users and small businesses certainly). And by and large the > > quality of service is no worse. > > :::BOGGLE::: What? How? Eh? When did this happen? Hang on... oh... you > mean to a select few, Not even... last time I priced provider bandwidth, it was on par with Japan, which is the most has the most expensive bandwidth of those countries who's telcos aren't "state owned/run". Things may have changed significantly with the landing of the southern cross cable, but I doubt it. I have been seeing some *really* odd routing using the visual traceroute utility going through NZ... I pray to god that some of the apparent pathing is due to stale DNS LOC records and/or a dated APNIC allocation db (I suppose it *might* be due to economics), cause what I've been seeing is completely whacky. > and not to the great unwashed Internet users, who > are still paying through every possible orifice for a basic broadband > service sans SLAs. Even Japan has tossed per-miniute billing for internet use and *nobody* of any significance does usage based billing (well, maybe parts of Europe and Ireland). The most recent curious thing to pop up (in Japan) is flat-rate 64kbps wireless access (and the kicker is that compaq flash is the primary form factor for access devices). I cringe whenever I see somebody downunder writing about international IP traffic settlement fees. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nznog archives
by Chris Wedgwood 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

I have (somewhere or other) nznog archives for the last two or three years (I dunno, a while anyhow). It occurred to me people might want these for easy reference or whatever; if so, let me know and I'll sort something out... (probably just email them to you as I'm lazy). --cw P.S. I also have isoncnz, linux-kernel, zebra, nanog and various other lists archives away on various disks spread across various hemispheres. If there is enough interested I will resurrect these and perhaps make them available. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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News from IDG
by Juha Saarinen 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

In case you haven't seen it already... http://makeashorterlink.com/?M3FD10F2 -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: News from IDG
by Donald Neal 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

>>> "Te Aroha" <tearoha(a)maxnet.co.nz> 11/27/01 10:18 >>> >Regardless I think it could set an Ugly precendent if he succeeds in what he >wants. Archives are Archives. Perhaps he is secretly enjoying the notoriety. Or not very secretly. How about we all treat this as an individual seeking notoriety and not consume yet more bandwith with it? I undertake to advise the list if I hear from the Office of the Privacy Commissioner. - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Autoresponders
by Michael Hallager 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Could lake(a)clear.co.nz and baptista(a)pccf.net fix their issues. It is annoying posting to a list to get peoples autoreponders. Michael Hallager

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Co-Location wanted. (Southland)
by Michael Hallager 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi all, I am seeking co-location and/or a frame relay link in the invecargill area. If am after a reasonable price or may be prepared to swap for co-location in the Auckland area. Please email me offlist with your phone number and area code. Last of all, I am only interested in hearing from people that can techspeak. michael(a)vivid.net.nz Michael Hallager

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No guarantees over JetStream fixes
by Craig Whitmore 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Something more from Telecom about Jetstream Fixes http://www.idg.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/771A7624F65F5A2CCC256B0B00144ED4!opend ocument Thanks Craig Whitmore http://www.nzdsl.co.nz New Zealand DSL Information - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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VPN 5001 For Sale
by Thomas Salmen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

If anyone is interested in purchasing a VPN 5001 Concentrator, I have one for sale. Please contact me off-list. -- Regards, Thomas Salmen System Administrator Radionet Ltd. 72 Paul Matthews Road Albany, Auckland, New Zealand Ph: +64 9 4140 300 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by Juha Saarinen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Apologies again for the wrapped output, but would I be right in thinking that there's a problem between hop 5 and 6 in the below mtr trace to www.telecom.co.nz? Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst 1. 210.48.100.1 0% 27 27 1 1 2 5 2. s0.ts9.ak.nz.asiaonline.net 0% 27 27 12 12 14 37 3. f0-0.core2.ak.nz.asiaonline.net 0% 27 27 11 11 14 32 4. netgate.ape.net.nz 0% 26 26 41 11 17 49 5. bis-dom.akcr5.netgate.net.nz 0% 26 26 12 12 18 58 6. 210.48.100.1 100% 0 26 0 0 0 0 7. 146.171.18.242 0% 26 26 18 14 20 68 -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by David Fox 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Rather than post to a public forum, I suggest logging a problem with the Help Desk may result in speedier investigation/resolution. :) Thanks David Fox Network Engineer Internet Corporate Solutions trading as Asia Online -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 09:43 To: J S Russell Cc: NZNOG Subject: Re: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing... On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Oh well... guess Telecom's Web was designed to load at ~5 minutes per page > then. ^ site -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Just to clarify the mtr/packet loss thing...
by Juha Saarinen 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

No, don't worry about it David... I was just trying to satisfy my own curiosity here, not report a problem. On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, David Fox wrote: > Rather than post to a public forum, I suggest logging a problem with the > Help Desk may result in speedier investigation/resolution. :) > > Thanks David Fox > Network Engineer > Internet Corporate Solutions trading as Asia Online -- Juha Take off every sig! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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No packet loss at Telstra
by Juha Saarinen 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

I gather that my message was taken wrong way, and seen as an attack on the integrity of TSNZ's network operations[1]. The problem wasn't in Telstra's network, I read the mtr output wrongly, and many apologies for that. Now back to the regular programming. -- Regards, Juha Removing sig! For great justice! [1] This is not to say that all list members took the message the wrong way of course, only a few of the prickly variety. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Problems with Southern Cross to Aussie?
by mat＠voyager.co.nz 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Yep, I note also from Optus -> Xtra has high latency as well Performing trace to www.xtra.co.nz... 1 FastEth8-1-0.sb1.optus.net.au (192.168.34.2) 1.837 ms 4.475 ms 0.901 ms 2 GigEth12-0-0.ap1.optus.net.au (202.139.191.20) 1.043 ms 1.014 ms 1.080 ms 3 telecomnz1.sb2.optus.net.au (202.139.128.98) 181.836 ms 181.795 ms 182.613 ms 4 p1-1.akbr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.161) 181.142 ms 185.291 ms 181.251 ms 5 * * * Also Does anyone know if Telstra uses SX across the Tasman? At 11:38 AM 20/11/2001 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote: >On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 mat(a)voyager.co.nz wrote: >> Anyone else having rather large pings/traces to anything in Australia? >> And/Or does anyone know if there is something wrong with Southern Cross at >> present? > >Have you tried to open up a ticket with Voyager or Alter.Net? > >Simon. > >> >> host01% traceroute www.ozemail.com.au >> traceroute to www.ozemail.com.au (203.108.7.50) from >> host01.net.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.126), 40 hops max, 40 byte packets >> 1 r1.akl2.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.97) 0.614 ms 0.505 ms 0.533 ms >> 2 r0.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz (203.21.24.87) 0.944 ms 1.044 ms 0.858 ms >> 3 64.ATM2-0-0.GW2.SYD2.ALTER.NET (203.166.42.237) 180.907 ms 179.682 ms >> 179.576 ms >> 4 422.at-6-0-0.XR1.SYD2.Alter.Net (210.80.3.93) 180.959 ms 181.712 ms >> 181.544 ms >> 5 0.SO-5-0-0.XR1.SYD4.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.222) 182.636 ms 182.008 ms >> 180.767 ms >> 6 so-0-0-1.XR2.SYD3.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.10) 180.619 ms 180.542 ms >> 182.835 ms >> 7 412.ATM8-0-0.GW1.SYD3.Alter.Net (210.80.3.158) 182.168 ms 182.160 ms >> 181.534 ms >> 8 500.ATM1-0.BORDER3.SYD.OZEMAIL.NET.AU (203.166.16.38) 182.626 ms >> 183.300 ms 182.381 ms >> 9 core1-fe4-0-0.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.190.153) 182.510 ms 184.192 >> ms 183.550 ms >> 10 agg2-access-fe2-1.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.0.50) 185.134 ms >> 187.109 ms 184.788 ms >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> where the body of your message reads: >> unsubscribe nznog >> > >-- >Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz >Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz >ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz > >- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > > Matt Law Network Engineer Voyager NZ Ltd DDI +649 4439 443 PGP Public Key available http://www.voyager.co.nz/~mat/public-key.asc - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Problems with Southern Cross to Aussie?
by mat＠voyager.co.nz 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Anyone else having rather large pings/traces to anything in Australia? And/Or does anyone know if there is something wrong with Southern Cross at present? host01% traceroute www.ozemail.com.au traceroute to www.ozemail.com.au (203.108.7.50) from host01.net.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.126), 40 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 r1.akl2.voyager.co.nz (203.21.30.97) 0.614 ms 0.505 ms 0.533 ms 2 r0.net.auckland.voyager.co.nz (203.21.24.87) 0.944 ms 1.044 ms 0.858 ms 3 64.ATM2-0-0.GW2.SYD2.ALTER.NET (203.166.42.237) 180.907 ms 179.682 ms 179.576 ms 4 422.at-6-0-0.XR1.SYD2.Alter.Net (210.80.3.93) 180.959 ms 181.712 ms 181.544 ms 5 0.SO-5-0-0.XR1.SYD4.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.222) 182.636 ms 182.008 ms 180.767 ms 6 so-0-0-1.XR2.SYD3.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.10) 180.619 ms 180.542 ms 182.835 ms 7 412.ATM8-0-0.GW1.SYD3.Alter.Net (210.80.3.158) 182.168 ms 182.160 ms 181.534 ms 8 500.ATM1-0.BORDER3.SYD.OZEMAIL.NET.AU (203.166.16.38) 182.626 ms 183.300 ms 182.381 ms 9 core1-fe4-0-0.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.190.153) 182.510 ms 184.192 ms 183.550 ms 10 agg2-access-fe2-1.syd.ozemail.net.au (203.108.0.50) 185.134 ms 187.109 ms 184.788 ms - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NT help required urgently
by PhoneNet 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

I have a customer who needs to recover or remove passwords from an NT installation. I will explain fully off-list to anyone who can help. Ian Cousins Director, PhoneNet - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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System Outage 9th December
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

On the 9th December there will be planned maintenance work carried out on the drs replicated site in Auckland. This will require a system outage of approximately two hours, between 06:00hrs and 08:00hrs, to resynchronise the databases. During this time email templates will continue to be received but will not be processed until after the work is finished. The whois will be available but the web site will not. I apologise for the inconvenience. Many thanks Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: NT help required urgently
by Michael Bordignon 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

heh > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)automagic.org] > Sent: Friday, 16 November 2001 3:02 PM > To: Chris Wedgwood > Cc: PhoneNet; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: NT help required urgently > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 03:02:42PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > > There are linux boot disks which frob the registry and reset the > > administrator password > > > > http://www.nttoolbox.com/ > > > > for more details. > > Alternatively you could just boot from a DOS floppy and make > appropriate > use of the "fdisk" and "format" commands. Should remove any passwords > which are present quite efficiently. > > > Joe - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Thanks Jean-Francois, Arron and Bart...
by Juha Saarinen 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

... got something to go on now. Unfortunately, the boy zapped my multimeter with an experiment in piezo-electricity (@#$#@!!! school projects!) so it's a bit tricky to work out which pin goes where. -- Regards, Juha Removing sig! For great justice! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ISP Forum - forwarded from InternetNZ
by Donald Neal 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Greetings InternetNZ's major conference for the year will be held on Nov 29 and 30 at the Ellerslie Novotel, Auckland. The Forum will focus on the changes to the legislative environment in NZ, Industry Self- regulation, and possible impacts post-September 11. All members are cordially invited to attend - full details and link to online registration can be found via the What's Hot link or direct at: http://www.internetnz.net.nz/Internet-Industry- Forum_Agenda011105.html Forum costs: InternetNZ members NZ$100 (GST inc) Non-members NZ$160 (GST inc) APNIC will run a training session for ISP's on Nov 28 at the same venue - details on site. Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director InternetNZ Voice: +64-4-472-1600 Fax: +64-4-472-1207 Level 4, Hibernian Building, 89 Willis Street (P.O.Box 11-881) Wellington http://www.isocnz.org.nz -- Donald Neal Special Operations Network Delivery Telecom New Zealand Ltd - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Oops should read 'the relicated site'. Thanks for the proof reading Juha .... Cheers Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew McGhie - Domainz > Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2001 16:50 > To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' > Subject: Emergency Outage > > > Unfortunately the replicated sight in Auckland has lost > synchronisation which will mean that we need to take the drs > down for about an hour and a half after zone push this > evening. The email template will continue to queue but the > web site will be unavailable. > > I apologise for the lateness of the notification and the > inconvenience. > > Cheers > > Andrew > > - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Emergency Outage
by Andrew McGhie - Domainz 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Unfortunately the replicated sight in Auckland has lost synchronisation which will mean that we need to take the drs down for about an hour and a half after zone push this evening. The email template will continue to queue but the web site will be unavailable. I apologise for the lateness of the notification and the inconvenience. Cheers Andrew - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Any phone wiring gurus on the list?
by Juha Saarinen 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Scratching my head here... how does Telecom wire the phone cables? I've got a Rentel 410, with an RJ-11C at the phone end, and a BT jack at the other end. I'd like to plug that into the modem pass-through phone port, and the modem into the wall jack, to connect to the PSTN </obNetworkContent>. The modem pass-through port is RJ-11C. If I look at modem-to-wall cables, known to work, they use the red/green pair only. Although the RJ-11C connector has six pins on those, as opposed to the four-pin variety used for the Rentel phone, physically, the connectors for the red/green pair are in the same place. However, plugging the modem cable into the phone produces no dialtone. Does Telecom use more than the red/green pair? -- Regards, Juha Removing sig! For great justice! - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Real Engineering
by Roger De Salis 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

I thought this was sufficiently interesting from an engineering, economic and topicality perspective to merit a post. Basically another nail in the coffin of the myth that the PSTN is more reliable than the Internet. R >>November 12, 2001 >> >>THE COMMUNICATIONS >> >>Afghan Phone Links Are an American Legacy >> >>By SIMON ROMERO >> >>While the Soviet-built conventional telephone network in Afghanistan >>has suffered significant damage in recent bombing raids, a more >>sophisticated telecommunications system built by a United States >>company in the late 1990's remains in service and is an important >>link to the outside world, according to a report expected to be >>released today. >> >>The system is operated by the Afghan Wireless Communication Company, >>which grew out of a venture between the Afghan Ministry of >>Communications, controlled by the Taliban, and Telephone Systems >>International of Mount Olive, N.J. Afghan Wireless provides service >>in the Afghan capital Kabul and the city of Kandahar, the Taliban's >>political base in the south. >> >>Afghan Wireless, which is now entirely controlled by officials in >>Kabul linked to the Taliban, continues to provide local, long >>distance and international calling services, according to a report by >>Pyramid Research, a company in Cambridge, Mass., that focuses on >>telecommunications in developing countries. >> >>The endurance of Afghan Wireless's operations is the latest chapter >>of involvement in Afghan telecommunications services since 1998 by >>United States and British investors. Telephone Systems International, >>the New Jersey company that initiated the investment, exited the >>venture in 1999 after the United States banned Americans from doing >>business in Afghanistan. >> >>It is not clear why the United States' bombing of Afghanistan has >>left Afghan Wireless's network still functioning relatively well, >>given its strategic importance to the Taliban. The Defense Department >>declined to comment specifically on Afghan Wireless or its network. >> >>"If something is a military target, it's liable to go down," said Lt. >>Col. Ken McClellan, a spokesman for the Defense Department. "If it's >>not considered a military target, then it won't go down." >> >>Afghan Wireless generates about $1.8 million a year in revenue, >>assuming that the government, its main client, pays its bills. The >>company uses relatively inexpensive technology, which is wireless but >>not mobile. Customers have what appears to be standard telephone >>service at their homes or other fixed locations. But the signals are >>carried by a network of wireless transmission towers and switches, >>said Joseph Braude, a senior analyst with Pyramid Research. >> >>"Afghan Wireless has provided the Afghan government and >>nongovernmental organizations with a less expensive alternative to >>satellite telephones," Mr. Braude said in an interview. >> >>After the United States imposed sanctions in 1999 on trade and >>investment in the parts of Afghanistan under Taliban control, >>Telephone Systems International sought approval from the Treasury >>Department to continue doing business in Afghanistan, according to a >>letter from Michele R. Hart, the company's lawyer, to the Treasury's >>Office of Foreign Assets Control. >> >>According to a copy of the letter, Ms. Hart provided the Treasury >>with details of Telephone Systems International's investors, which >>included Ehsan Bayat, an Afghan migr living in New York, and the >>Wilken Group, a holding company with telecommunications investments >>in several East African countries. >> >>The Wilken Group's own investors include Lord Michael Cecil, a member >>of a prominent English family. Lord Michael's dealings in >>Afghanistan, which included pulling together investors for Aghan >>Wireless, is described in the current issue of Talk Magazine. >> >>Ms. Hart also said in her letter that Telephone Systems International >>had signed agreements with DeTeSat, a unit of Germany's Deutsche >>Telekom, for the supply of satellite receiving and transmitting >>equipment and with TMB Systems of Britain to buy telephone exchanges. >> >>Such deals by American and European telecommunications companies are >>common in the developing world, even in the poorest countries. But >>Telephone Systems International's involvement in Afghanistan raised >>eyebrows when it reached a deal with the Taliban to build a network >>in 1998. >> >>Gary Breshinsky, a former investor in Telephone Systems >>International, said the company signed an agreement with the Taliban >>in September 1999 at the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul. At the >>time, the White House said it looked favorably on the project as a >>way to ease the controls the Taliban had imposed on Afghanistan's >>communications with the rest of the world. >> >>"We were providing one of the poorest countries on the planet with a >>state-of-the-art telephone network," Mr. Breshinsky, who lives in >>Hackettstown, N.J., said in an interview. "The old network left >>behind by the Russians was atrocious." >> >>Mr. Breshinsky, a former satellite- telephone salesman, said he ended >>his involvement with Telephone Systems International soon after the >>United States imposed sanctions against Afghanistan. >> >>Mr. Bayat and Lord Michael, the other foreign investors in Telephone >>Systems International, could not be reached for comment. Telephone >>Systems International stopped work on the project in July 1999, >>according to a news release on Afghan Wireless's Web site. >> >>Mr. Braude, the Pyramid Research analyst, said telephone interviews >>with the people who use Afghanistan's conventional telephone system >>in Kabul and towns elsewhere suggested that many telephone lines had >>been destroyed in Kabul. But they say that damage to lines in the >>towns is minimal. >> >>Before the bombing campaign, the Soviet-built analog network in >>Afghanistan had less than one telephone for every 100 inhabitants. >>Afghan Wireless has operated about 9,000 telephone lines in Kabul and >>Kandahar since introducing service two years ago, Mr. Braude said. >> >>Much of the company's success in signing up customers can be >>attributed to cheaper prices in relation to calls made on satellite >>telephone services. International calls with Afghan Wireless cost 40 >>cents to $1.50 a minute, compared with $2 to $4.50 a minute on >>satellite telephone systems. -- \_ Roger De Salis rdesalis(a)cisco.com </' Cisco Systems NZ Ltd +64 25 481 452 /) L8, ASB Tower, 2 Hunter St +64 4 496 9003 (/ Wellington, New Zealand roger(a)desalis.gen.nz ` In October 2001, the 5th most important product line by value for Cisco is - the telephone. Cisco 79x0 IP telephones. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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