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Vertuacom
by Alan Brown 06 Jul '00

06 Jul '00

FWIW, MX records show vertuacom.com to be hosted by Paradise and whois lookups match what Simon Lyall's already posted: Registrant: Julian Angelo (VERTUACOM-DOM) 58 CAMPBELL AVE PARAPARAUMU WELLINGTON, WGTN 000000 NZ Domain Name: VERTUACOM.COM Billing Contact: Julian, Angelo (AJN83) julian.a(a)PARADISE.NET.NZ 58 CAMPBELL AVE PARAPARAUMU Wellington, WGTN 000000 NZ +64 4 9041186 Record last updated on 31-Jan-2000. Record expires on 31-Jan-2001. Record created on 31-Jan-2000. Database last updated on 5-Jul-2000 20:51:56 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: RACHEL.PARADISE.NET.NZ 203.96.152.4 KIRSTY.PARADISE.NET.NZ 203.96.152.12 Phil, it would be a good idea to arrange a visit frm the Orbital Anvil Delivery System. The Brazilian site used for the last spam run appears to be an open relay at first glance (it accepts all test messages), but isn't. According to the Brazilian antispam team (antispam.org.br), it may well be a spam haven, based on domain names in the same netblock. They're working with BRnic to try and find out more. AB -- How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html ORBS - it's not just for filters. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Spammer - Vertuacom (back again)
by Simon Lyall 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

Please make sure you warn your accounts people about this guy. This is at least his 4th ISP. I have the name of the police contact for this person somewhere if people want to contact me directly. I'll hunt out my old files on this guy tomorrow. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz Return-Path: <seebelow(a)belowtext.com> Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 1718 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2000 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from mx1-1.ihug.co.nz (HELO mx1.ihug.co.nz) (203.29.168.196) by kate.ihug.co.nz with SMTP; 4 Jul 2000 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from mq1tmp.compass.net.nz [203.97.100.70] by mx1.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 139XPc-0006xL-00; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:27:12 +1200 Received: from 210.249.108.18 (IP203-97-103-17.compass.net.nz [203.97.103.17]) by mq1tmp.compass.net.nz (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA15871; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:28:37 +1200 From: seebelow(a)belowtext.com Message-Id: <200007041828.GAA15871(a)mq1tmp.compass.net.nz> To: Subject: , Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:26:58 +1200 X-Sender: seebelow(a)belowtext.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Quotation of the day: "Why not go out on a limb? Isn't that where the fruit is?" -- Frank Scully July 5 2000 Vertuacom New Zealand E-mail vertua(a)post.com PO Box 1724 Paraparumu Beach Ph 04 298 3452 Fax 04 298 3452 Good morning, We supply the most effective marketing tool available today for use in any type of business; this is bulk electronic direct mail. Never before has any company or organization been able to communicate so fast and accurately to any given group of people. Electronic mail is the method of communication of the future that is here now. Our latest technology lets us send 000's of pieces of mail to a targeted audience in seconds. Targeted Direct Email is the most powerful and least expensive method of both online and off-line advertising available. It works, to give your company massive instant exposure thus producing a fast response (sales). Vertuacom has become known as the leader in website and product promotion. By utilizing the power of targeted direct mail we produce results for our clients that are nothing short of excellent. There is so much power in direct electronic mail, it enables you to advertise to a group of people of your choice i.e. you choose who you target market is. Vertuacom in no way supports the bad practice of spamming; we stand for responsible direct mail i.e. mails targeted towards a select group. Many businesses and corporations have been put off using e-mail as a marketing tool, as spammers have tarnished its image. Many irresponsible bulk mailers have sent out large amounts of mail to people whom they know nothing about. These companies have not tried to mail to those who would have any interest in their products or services, but have merely sent there mailings out blindly. Also hyped up bogus offers and pornography have given people a bad image of the direct mail industry. Every piece of mail we send out is given the option of being removed from our database, as we have done in this mailing to you, at the bottom of the page see removal instructions. This is called responsible Direct mail. Our business comprises of three parts: 1. Electronic mail address collection: Our collection is one of the largest in the world; currently we hold over 25 million addresses. We maintain databases of addresses that are all current and are mailer friendly. Through Vertuacom you are able to access over ten thousand different categories of addresses. Try Us to see if we have a database of the industry that you would like to market your products/services in. We are also able to supply you with the name of the person who owns each e-mail address, Thus making it easy to personalize mailings e.g. Dear Jan as you are in the food industry, you may very well find this... could profit your business. Addresses are categorized according to user type and in most case country e.g. Universities in Australia. Many groups of addresses can also be broken down into smaller groups e.g. the engineering departments within Universities in Australia. Our costs are set at very competitive rates. Addresses ranges from 50 cents to 8 cents, depending on quantity and user type. Please contact us for further pricing. 1.a We currently have a collection of nearer 100,000 addresses for New Zealand. This is good if you want to broadcast your product or service to a New Zealand audience only. 2. Finding service This is a totally unique service where we hunt down specific types of addresses required. If we are not holding a certain category of addresses that you require we will endeavor to create a database of that particular category for you. 3. Sending service Yes we will send mail for you. There are no limits to the quantity. Prices to send mail range from 20 cents to 8 depending on quantity. Please contact us for a quote. Some basic facts about bulk mailing. What is bulk emailing? Simply stated, bulk emailing is an innovative and cost effective way to market your product and/or service on the Internet to thousands of potential customers. When done correctly, bulk email can boost your profits and sales like you never imagined. Millions of people get on the Internet to look for specific information. It's the perfect place to send advertisements, sales letters or other useful information to potential customers. Is bulk email profitable? Yes. On a cost per sale basis, bulk email pulls in more orders than any other advertising method. In dollars and cents, why is bulk email so profitable? Compare the costs associated with the most commonly used direct advertising methods. These are: Direct Mail Fax Broadcasting Bulk Email Lets say you decided to mail just 1000 sales letters to a list of prospects via these 3 methods listed above. Keep in mind that in the examples listed below we will be conservative. Most businesses test and start their campaigns at no less than 5000 advertisements. 1000 Piece Direct Mail Campaign: A 1000 piece direct mailing will cost approximately $640. - Postage: $320 - Mailing List: $80 - Envelopes: $40 - Printing: $100 - Envelope Stuffing: $100 Total Costs: $640 The negative aspects of this is: 1. The cost 2.The-turnaround time involved can take weeks. Printing, putting in envelopes and delivery is not an immediate process. 1000 Piece Fax Broadcasting Campaign: An average cost of what company's charge for this service is. - Total Cost: $300 Wasting paper can anger people. 1000 Piece E-mail Campaign: Approximately $170 (average figure) Your turnaround time varies because people read their email at different hours of the day. But the industry standard is form a few hours to 2 days. This is why many Corporations and businesses are turning to Targeted Bulk Electronic Mailing. Not only does bulk email cancel the long turnaround time of most traditional advertising methods, but it almost eliminates most of your advertising expenses. Is bulk email illegal? Currently, there are no laws against sending bulk email. Many well-known companies are profiting from bulk email right now. Companies viewpoints/success with direct mail. "America Online's own product pitches, made to customers as they sign on, are phenomenally successful. They are the profit driver for the company." *Greg Shove, V.P. of America Online "A gold mine for those who can take advantage of bulk email programs." *The New York Times "Email is an incredible lead generation tool." *Crains Magazine "Apart from creating a web page for your company, there's another method of online advertising that has powerful potential. I'm speaking of bulk email, a method of targeting appropriate online readers by the thousands or even millions. And with a simple click of the mouse, you can send them your marketing letter instantly." *Entrepreneur Magazine "Blows traditional marketing away." *Advertising Age "It's truly arrived. Email is the killer app so far in the online world." On balance Direct Electronic Mail is the Superior marketing tool as it produces an almost immediate response, the results are easily measurable, it is cost effective and unlike few other mediums of advertising you are able to target your audience thus keeping costs down. I look forward to your response. Kind Regards Julian Vertuacom marketing Manager To be included in our regular mailing list please reply to vertua(a)post.com and type include in the subject line To be removed reply to vertua(a)post.com and type remove in the subject line --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telecom outage
by Phill Groom 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

G'day again, Apparently there is a Telecom fiber cut in the Murchison area. They have advised us that worst case would be a fix by 8PM tonight. Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Possible Telecom outage
by Phill Groom 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

G'day all, You may like to know that Telecom have advised that they have 3 x 140Meg bearers down on the South Island westcoast affecting many thousands of their customers in Nelson, Greymouth etc. We were advised that this outage started at about 10:42 today. We have not been given an ETR by Telecom. Regards, Phill. -- Phillip Groom - Network Engineer mailto:pgroom(a)netlink.net.nz Telstra Saturn NZ Ltd http://www.netlink.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Telstra Saturn to pull out of NZIX
by jabley＠netlink.net.nz 05 Jul '00

05 Jul '00

Telstra Saturn have been considering the future of their presence at NZIX for some time, and the decision has now been made to stop peering with other networks over that exchange. Telstra Saturn has broadband access to other large provider networks over the APE and WIX, and these newer exchanges are currently where the vast majority of peering traffic between Telstra Saturn and other networks is being carried. Private inter-provider circuits also carry peering traffic in Auckland and Wellington. The simplification of traffic management accommodated by this change should improve performance from Telstra Saturn to other networks. However, we are happy to manage the transition in conjunction with other operators to ensure that the change is made smoothly -- please contact me directly if your organisation has any specific requirements in this regard. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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faxes
by Simon Lyall 02 Jul '00

02 Jul '00

Okay, weird question of the day, slightly off topic. Is anyone else getting corrupt faxes for "Telecom Network Planned Outage Advice" fax outs (ie when they are operating on circuits). The last 2 or 3 have been very unreadable down the left hand side but no other faxes they we get have been (and I've run a few test ones). yes/no ? -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contact details.
by Simon Lyall 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

A while (actually 12 months) ago there was a discussion about having a list of contact details of ISP/other Nocs for emergency or other (ie setting up peering) reasons. Are people still interested in setting this up? Even if not I would advise people to get on the list (and keep a bookmark) at: http://puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.cgi which lists most of the larger providers. Just go to http://puck.nether.net/netops/admin.html to add yourself. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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whois & 'person' objects
by Chris Wedgwood 26 Jun '00

26 Jun '00

Silly question perhaps, but one that I've not been able to find an answer to: Now that NSI has competitors, how does one lookup 'contact' objects via whois? I've tried various whois clients to see if there is some magic incarnation, but alas, none of them seem to support this. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: [isocnz-l]ORBS
by Juha Saarinen 25 Jun '00

25 Jun '00

So, can we expect an official press release on AOL and UUNET teaming up with ORBS? I'd like to write something about. I'll contact AOL and UUNET of course for official comment, but would like to hear from you as well. And apologies for posting this to ISOCNZ-L instead of NZNOG as I intended to. -- Juha %-> -----Original Message----- %-> From: isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz %-> [mailto:isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz]On Behalf Of Alan Brown %-> Sent: Sunday, 25 June 2000 6:56 p.m. %-> To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz %-> Subject: RE: [isocnz-l]ORBS %-> %-> %-> On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Juha Saarinen wrote: %-> %-> > So UUNET NL is cooperating with you in running the ORBS tester? %-> %-> So is America Online. %-> %-> AB %-> -- %-> How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html %-> ORBS - it's not just for filters. %-> %-> %-> _______________________________________________________ %-> isocnz-l is an open mailing list created for the discussion of %-> issues relevant to the Internet community in New Zealand. Views %-> expressed are not necessarily the views of ISOCNZ. %-> _____________________________________________ %-> %-> go to http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-l %-> for subscription/unsubscription information. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone recommend a skilled JRun/apache guru?
by Craig Reynolds 15 Jun '00

15 Jun '00

Hi, I find myself in need of a guru in all things JRun/Apache based. However, trolling through the long lists of web people that I know, no-one wants to touch this stuff. Does anyone have knowledge of a suitable person or company? Regards, Craig -- Craig Reynolds Phone: +64-4-9395234 Systems Engineer Fax: +64-4-9395220 Chello Broadband Mobile:+64-21-2222423 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Want to peer? baby yeah!
by Simon Blake 13 Jun '00

13 Jun '00

Hi Mark On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Mark Seward wrote: > Hi Simon, > > I've just set up peering with 202.7.0.2.. > > Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ Up/Down State/PfxRcd > 202.7.0.2 4 9439 243 151 1764243 0 0 01:12:55 180 > 202.7.0.3 4 9439 317993 218560 1764243 0 0 1d21h 579 > > Should the number of prefixes on each be that different? In theory, no, but in practice, yes, since not everybody is peering with the second route server yet, so it's not receiving and redistributing all the same prefixes that the older route server is. Other than having identical configs, the two route servers are completely independant - they don't peer with each other as there seemed little point in taking routes from the old RS to the new RS when the whole point of this is to provide some security again failure in either RS. So give it time, I'd expect the number of prefixes to tend toward equivalence as more people peer with both. Ideally, I'd like to get everybody peering with both RS by the end of the month, as around about then Citylink is moving machine rooms, and with two route servers we can provide continuity of service even while one of them is in the back of my car :-). At the same time, one of the route servers will move to some other point on Citylink, to provide some geographical diversity. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Want to peer? baby yeah!
by James Tyson 13 Jun '00

13 Jun '00

I have put aside most of today for streamlining the BGP peering arrangements Xtra has at WIX in wellington. If anyone else is interested in setting up direct peering over WIX today then please email on james.tyson(a)team.xtra.co.nz today. Cheers. - James Tyson --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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APE/WIX Peering
by James Tyson 13 Jun '00

13 Jun '00

Has anyone bothered to set up an RADB for use by APE and WIX connected ISP's? I think this would be a really good idea, coz I hate having to email people whenever we add networks or whatever. Mmkay. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domestic BGP Peering Maillinglist.
by James Tyson 12 Jun '00

12 Jun '00

Hey, does anyone know if there is currently an email list for domestic peering discussion and prefix-list updates, that sort of thing? If not, is it a good idea for me to set one up, or shall we just use nznog? Yup yup yup. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Public Free DNS Server
by Leon Toh 12 Jun '00

12 Jun '00

Hi I'm looking for free public DNS server to be allow configuration of a secondary DNS. Does anyone know any of this services available locally for NZ and Australia. Thanks. Leon --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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mail problems at clear?
by Simon Blake 10 Jun '00

10 Jun '00

Afternoon all. Just by way of a change on nznog, I thought I'd ask an operational question :-). Anybody know if there's weirdness going on at Clear? turtle:~$ telnet mx1.clear.net.nz 25 Trying 203.97.33.11... <insert long pause here> ^C turtle:~$ telnet mx2.clear.net.nz 25 Trying 203.97.37.11... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused Similar behaviour from machines on Netlink, ICONZ, Paradise and Clear connections. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: mail problems at clear?
by Ben Martel 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

Hi all, Yep - there was a problem with mx[12].clear.net.nz. This has been resolved and everything should be working just fine! Thanks for being patient. Ben >Connected to mx1. >Escape character is '^]'. >220 mx1.clear.net.nz ESMTP CLEAR Net Mail 1.5/1.30; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:40:11 +1200 (NZST) >quit >221 mx1.clear.net.nz closing connection --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RBL process underway again on Telstra Australia.
by Alan Brown 07 Jun '00

07 Jun '00

Another heads-up. Telstra Aus mnanaged to stave off RBL entries for a period by claiming to be producing a new AUP. That AUP officially went live on May 27th, but Telstra are still unresponsive to complaints. As a result, I'm advised that RBL procedures are now rolling again - and as they have shown "shining on" practices, will be given little leeway in future. Anyone with netblocks allocated through AUNIC/Telstra Aus may well be adversely affected by this, even if they're in New Zealand. Be warned. AB -- How secure are hosts in _your_ network? Http://www.orbs.org/admins.html ORBS - it's not just for filters. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: more than 4 nameservers for a domain
by Mark Davies 04 Jun '00

04 Jun '00

From: Craig Anderson <craig(a)abstract.co.nz> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:31:46 +1200 (NZT) > NSI allows up to 13 nameservers. Also you have to wonder if the web interface only allows 4 nameservers and the mail template or approved agent or whatever allows 6 why does the whois output always list 10 (most of which, obviously, are empty) mark --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: more than 4 nameservers for a domain
by Craig Anderson 03 Jun '00

03 Jun '00

Hi. > Consider also, for TLDs (and popular domains which have many > subdomains) where many many requests are made, you want many many > name-servers as many (most?) caching name-servers will work out which > name-servers respond the quickest and bias requests towards them. NSI allows up to 13 nameservers. -Craig --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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more than 4 nameservers for a domain
by Joe Abley 03 Jun '00

03 Jun '00

The Domainz web interface only lets you specify four authoritative nameservers for a domain; the e-mail interface lets you specify six. The e-mail interface is only available to agentstrars. POB has confirmed that this is the intended design, and is not a bug. Can anybody confirm what happens if a domain has six nameservers loaded by an agentstrar using the e-mail template, and is subsequently edited by the nameholder using the web interface? Are all six nameservers preserved? Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Outcome of the ICAIS Consultation and the APEC TELMIN4 Conference (sorry, but its long)
by Frank March 01 Jun '00

01 Jun '00

Report to NZNOG and ISOCNZ-Members This is a report back to these lists on the position taken by New Zealand at the APEC TELMIN conference in Cancun and outcomes from the conference. But first: as previously noted, the feedback from members of these lists has been very helpful in informing a NZ Government view. However, as a member of the NZNOG list has pointed out to me, despite the suitability for this type of discussion over a beer, the matters are somewhat off-topic for NZNOG. The Ministry of Economic Development wishes to undertake further consultation leading up to an ITU-T meeting and the next APEC TEL meeting in September. I will continue to send consultation material to the isocnz-members list. Subscribers to the NZNOG list who wish to continue to be involved should email me direct. I will assume that anyone responding to the previous round will wish to continue to be involved (unless you tell me otherwise ;) There has been some publicity from Australia and the US about the outcome of this conference which may have created some confusion as they tend to express alternative views on the outcome achieved. I have appended below a copy of a media release from the Acting Minister of Communications which gives the NZ perspective on the outcome. It should be apparent that the matter is not going to just fade away and we believe that the NZ government will need to continue to be actively engaged in the debate. The stance adopted by NZ at Cancun was as follows: <quote> (i) in principle, the costs of international circuits should be shared in proportion to the benefits. We are, however, unsure of the best way of assessing those benefits, and of whether there is a more efficient way of developing cost-sharing arrangements than commercial negotiations between interested parties, ie whether the benefits of government interventions to mandate particular cost-sharing formulae would exceed transaction and other costs; (ii) recommendations on specific international charging arrangements for Internet services are premature; (iii) in any case, recommendations in this area are more properly a matter for the ITU, not APEC. As the World Telecommunications Standardisation Conference is in October 2000, this would give more time for the consideration of issues such as the implications of voice over Internet; (iv) APEC principles could be a useful means of helping to clarify thinking on the issue, particularly if they emphasise the role of the private sector. We see the draft recommendations in the report as a useful basis for consideration; (v) recommendations for further TEL work are appropriate; and (vi) New Zealand will be in a better position to have considered the issue more fully by the time of the ITU World Telecommunications Standardisation Conference in October. </quote> Note that the position reflects economic orthodoxy ("in principle, the costs of international circuits should be shared in proportion to the benefits") but recognises the difficulty of achieving this. This is a fair summary of the feedback received, which covered both points. The recognition of the ITU's role in the issue was based on further feedback from the industry and reflects work done by a NZ private sector representative in that forum as well as recognition that if any regulatory regime were to be formulated promulgation would have to be through the ITU as APEC does not have this function and, in any case, it is not just an issue for APEC economies. The output documents from the Cancun meeting are something of a compromise reflecting the difficulty in finding positions that the two 'sides' could agree to. It was agreed that 'equitable cost sharing' did not necessarily mean 50/50 and it was acknowledged that the benefits arising from Internet traffic are hard to determine. The outcome from Cancun was as follows: <quote> Ministers also adopt the International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services attached as Annex B. Ministers also reaffirm the importance of cost-sharing or other mutually-beneficial arrangements for the region as a whole. </quote> In the Annex B, the key paragraph reads as follows: <quote> Internet charging arrangements between providers of network services should be commercially negotiated and, among other issues, reflect: a) the contribution of each network to the communications; b) the use by each party of the interconnected network resources; and c) the end to end costs of international transport link capacity. </quote> A longer statement was contained in the Programme of Action agreed by Ministers for the Telecommunications Working Group for the next 2 year period. The NZ suggestion that the matter might be more appropriately one for the ITU was not picked up. The only specific outcome is a direction for the Telecommunications Working Group to report back to the next ministerial meeting in China in 2 years time. By that stage, the ITU (which is a treaty-making body) will also have considered recommendations on the topic and the Internet itself will no doubt have continued its rapid expansion. Ministerial Press Statement: <quote> The Acting Minister of Communications Trevor Mallard has welcomed the progress made by APEC Ministers on international internet charging arrangements. The APEC Ministers met in Cancun, Mexico last week. Trevor Mallard said a reasonable compromise has been reached between the strongly held views of the US and Canada on one side, and the other APEC economies led by Singapore and Australia. "At the heart of the issue is a claim of unfair international internet charging," he said. "Many APEC economies believe those international charging arrangements are unfair because in relation to traffic exchanged with the US, the non-US party has to meet the costs of the international link in both directions. "New Zealand's position at the meeting was that, as a general economic principle, the costs of international internet circuits should be shared in proportion to the benefits to the parties. "Having said that it is difficult to assess the benefits from internet traffic, and we need to be sure that gains from the benefits of any government interventions in commercial negotiations would exceed the costs." "The International Telecommunication Union (a UN body which has treaty-making powers) is considering recommendations on this matter at its World Telecommunication Standardisation Assembly in September. "The Cancun Declaration issued by APEC Ministers at the end of the Mexico meeting reaffirmed the importance of cost-sharing or other mutually beneficial arrangements for the APEC region as a whole. "The principles adopted by Ministers, and the future work programme approved for the APEC Telecommunications Working Group, emphasise the importance of commercial negotiation and cost sharing". "It is too early to tell how the Declaration will impact on commercial negotiations, as APEC is not a treaty-making body, but this is still a valuable step in the right direction," Trevor Mallard said. New Zealand will continue to participate in the APEC Telecommunications Working Group. The group will continue to discuss international developments relating to the internet and report back to the next ministerial meeting in two year's time. </quote> Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Economic Development, PO Box 1473, Wellington, NZ Ph: (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax: (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZ whois server
by Michael Newbery 31 May '00

31 May '00

On the 'liberal in what you accept' precept, I'd say that the server should either respond with the info, followed by somthing like % NOTE: Your whois client does not conform to the standard. % It failed to terminate the query string properly or even just provide the carp message and decline to provide the information, which is less helpful but more of an incentive to fix the broken client. In other words, if we want to throw rocks at the server, the most we can really complain about is that it failed silently when could have been a little more voluble. I'm no fan of 'liberal in what you accept'='I am a doormat, abuse me as you will, I will add code to work around your mistakes' for three reasons. 1. If the client writer doesn't know there is a problem, they can't fix it. 2. The server suffers code bloat. 3. When second-guessing what the client actually meant, it may well get it wrong (doesn't apply this time). However, if they are going to open the code to make the change you suggest though, the formating of the output could use some work. IMHO it's the ugliest whois server output I've ever seen, not to mention the most verbose. But as Don says, there are other things that need fixing more. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 >>> Don Stokes <don(a)daedalus.co.nz> - 30/5/00 6:38 PM >>> "Robert Gray" <bob(a)r-gray.com> wrote: >It's not BUFFOONZ but RIPE who's out of step with the rest of the world. I >should have known ;) Well, in this case, the RFCs are on Domainz's side, not RIPE's. Not to mention every other whois client on the planet which sends CRLF at the ends of their queries, as required by reputable network protocols the world over. Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> writes: >"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" Indeed, hence the suggestion that it be made to terminate on any control character. But I suspect that there are higher priorities at the moment than making the whois server talk to non-compliant clients. (It's not my code.) -- don --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 May '00

31 May '00

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. At last count the list had just under 150 subscribers, with the count growing by around five each month. The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document, a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Some subscribers are likely to attend the Uniforum NZ 2000 conference in Hamilton in early October. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: ISOCNZ - Invitation to Summit 2000
by Pete 30 May '00

30 May '00

Well that was jolly nice of ISOCNZ to give me all of your addresses so I can sell them to a mass-marketing spam company!! On Wed, 31 May 2000 exec.assist(a)isocnz.org.nz wrote: >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:34 +1200 >From: exec.assist(a)isocnz.org.nz >To: <Incredibly long list of personal e-mail addresses clipped> >Cc: exe.dir(a)isocnz.org.nz, exec.assist(a)isocnz.org.nz >Subject: ISOCNZ - Invitation to Summit 2000 >Parts/Attachments: > 1 Shown ~75 lines Text (charset: ISO-8859-1), "Mail message body" > 2 Shown 153 lines Text, "Text from file 'Agenda.html'" >---------------------------------------- They obviously know how to use a "cc" field, why doesn't someone tell them how to use "bcc" !!! Rgds, Pete --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ whois server
by Andy Linton 29 May '00

29 May '00

As a NZ domain holder, I am unimpressed by the apparent inability of the Council of ISOCNZ to require Domainz to carry out the policies it is supposed to and I am also unimpressed by the failure of the Board of Domainz in ensuring that the policies of ISOCNZ are carried out. I and a number of others have requested the introduction of a whois server that allows access to the data on the ISOCNZ NZ Registry that is operated on the Society's behalf by their operating company Domainz. This is consistent with the requirement stated in the Council's policy on New Zealand's Domain Name Structure. In that document (http://www.mcs.vuw.ac.nz/~hine/ISOCNZ/DNS/DNpolicy-8-97.html#SecondLevel) the section "Use of Information Gathered" the first paragraph says: 'Information is gathered in order to provide a public name listing service in line with other Internet domain name registry services world-wide.' Other registry services world-wide implement a whois service as well as a web-based service as a matter of course. I understand that the Council of the Society has instructed Domainz to implement such a server. Can you give an indication of when this service will be available? I also note that a name for this service is listed in the DNS. It is confusing to have this name there and then not have a service running. The details are below. whois.domainz.net.nz -> 202.46.160.18 -> www-wlg.domainz.net.nz Can you ensure that either the service that this host name purports to implement is commenced or that this host name is removed? --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: NZ whois server
by Andy Linton 29 May '00

29 May '00

At 05:49 PM 5/30/00 +1200, you wrote: >Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> wrote: > >My apologies! I'm using the RIPE whois client and it never returns when > >I type: > > > >whois -h whois.domainz.net.nz lionra.net.nz > > > >although it's quite able to talk to other whois servers around the > >planet. > >OK, I was kinda intrigued about this one. So I downloaded the RIPE stuff >and had a play. > >It seems that the RIPE whois terminates its query with a single LF, >not CRLF as as the Domainz server is expecting. From tcpdump: > >17:02:01.058956 toyunix.zl2tnm.gen.nz.62311 > >www-wlg.domainz.net.nz.whois: P 1: >16(15) ack 1 win 17520 > 4500 0037 d189 0000 4006 7d4c c0a8 0102 > ca2e a012 f367 002b 3d2b 3c24 0827 44dd > 5018 4470 cec9 0000 6461 6564 616c 7573 > 2e63 6f2e 6e7a 0a > >(for those who don't read hex, that's <ip-header> <tcp header> >"daedalus.co.nz\n" No "\r". I suspect the Domainz server is waiting >for the CR not the LF. >I'm amazed. I didn't think it was possible to screw up the whois >protocol, much less have an outfit like RIPE do it. From RFC 954: Agreed. That's why I was so surprised when it didn't work and why I didn't check when I should have. If we're talking RFCs - RFC 1123 (:-) 1.2.2 Robustness Principle At every layer of the protocols, there is a general rule whose application can lead to enormous benefits in robustness and interoperability: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" Software should be written to deal with every conceivable error, no matter how unlikely; sooner or later a packet will come in with that particular combination of errors and attributes, and unless the software is prepared, chaos can ensue. In general, it is best to assume that the network is filled with malevolent entities that will send in packets designed to have the worst possible effect. This assumption will lead to suitable protective design, although the most serious problems in the Internet have been caused by unenvisaged mechanisms triggered by low-probability events; mere human malice would never have taken so devious a course! Thanks for sorting this out, by the way! --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: [apnic-announce] Maintenance Announcement: June 3rd 8:00 - 12:00 UTC+10
by jabley＠automagic.org 29 May '00

29 May '00

----Original Message----- From: Paul Gampe <paulg(a)apnic.net> To: apnic-announce(a)lists.apnic.net Cc: Subject: [apnic-announce] Maintenance Announcement: June 3rd 8:00 - 12:00 UTC+10 Reply-To: apnic-talk(a)apnic.net Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 1:23 PM [Note "reply-to:" field] Dear APNIC Member, APNIC will be performing an operating system maintenance on the primary whois server, whois.apnic.net during the Saturday June 3rd maintenance window between 8:00 - 12:00 UTC+10. The following services will be affected for periods of at most 15 minutes during the maintenance window: whois, dns, www.apnic.net and mailing lists. Both dns and email services will be provided by our secondary servers during this time. Should you have any questions regarding this announcement please e-mail: technical(a)apnic.net. We apologise in advance for any inconvenience that this may cause. Regards, Paul Gampe -- _______________________________________________________________ For PGP Key ID B49E3514, mailto:paulg(a)apnic.net send mail with Subject: pgp-key-request phoneto:+61-7-3367-0490 Paul Gampe - Technical Manager - APNIC faxto:+61-7-3367-0482 * APNIC-ANNOUNCE: Announcements concerning APNIC * * To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apnic-announce-request(a)apnic.net *

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IHUG oddities
by Rob Isaac 29 May '00

29 May '00

Folks, Terabyte in Auckland have a bunch of dialup accounts that they use to test sites in development. One of these accounts is with IHUG. The bizarre thing is that this dialup account isn't able to access any web pages at Terabyte from the PPP connection to IHUG. You can look up the name fine, and you can ping the remote server -- it's specifically HTTP traffic (tcp/80) that doesn't work. In the tests I've seen, the source address was 203.109.194.220 (presumably handed out by IHUG's DHCP), and the destination networks are Terabyte's hosting, at either 203.167.248.0/24 or 203.97.64.0/24. Can someone else test this via IHUG (and perhaps via someone else, in case there is some more obscure problem). http://www.terabyte.co.nz/ will do fine as an address to test. They've tested it already using a handful of other dialup ISPs around the countryside, and they work fine -- it's just IHUG that doesn't seem to work, and only for web traffic. I want to get some more tests done before I go pester IHUG with a vague complaint that may be nothing to do with them. Regards, Rob. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz full service registrars
by Peter Mott 28 May '00

28 May '00

We are trying to build a list of "domainz full service registrars". We have many customers who have setup domain name service on our system, but are having difficulty navigating the domainz site to register their name. When they contact domainz for assistance, they are told the reason they have a problem is because they are not using a full service registrar. XTRA, CLEAR Net, IHUG, WEBFARM and others have all been mentioned in communications. On several occasions our customers have contacted one of the above to have them register their domain name, but the "full service registrar" concerned refused to enter 2day.com domain name servers into the registry record. If you are a domainz registrar willing to enter name server records according to customer requirements, please email me. Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [i-c-discuss] Help request
by Roger De Salis 26 May '00

26 May '00

Sue Leader wrote: > > Greetings > > I have an inquiry to answer and am missing one essential piece of > inforamtion. Can anyone tell me what the rationale was for having a > second level domain (2LD) structure rather than a flat structure in > .nz? So that the address structure can be divided into things that humans can remember. Also the 2LD provides some clue as to the purpose of the organisation eg .mil. .gov. or .co. There are of course variations in between the USA (1LD) and ROW (2LD). .co - .com .govt - .gov .ac - .edu. NZ has an interesting variation of this at the 3LD level. the 3rd level domain called domainz.net.nz which is a loopback domain. This loopback feature has a unique feature based on the amount of SPAM created this particular domain, so SPAM sent to this particular domain is endlessly recycled permitting near perfect service levels when responding to SPAM. In order to cater for loopback domains, the 3LD known as domainz is permanently wired to ORBS, which is an interactive mail responder. This permits meaningful dialog between the loopback domain and SPAM origination. In order to avail themsleves of this wonderful service, most ISP's in this country have implemented RFC 42064.32 which adheres to the Irish variation of ORBS. This means that all communication from the loopback domain is directed via sendmail to /dev/null. Unfortunately Microsoft clients have no way of implementing this device, and are therefore forced forever to endure SPAM which commences "Domainz is considering changes to.......". There is unfortunately no way to ever leave this highly desirable email domain. Hope this helps.... Rgds Roger De Salis > > Thanks > Sue > Sue Leader - Executive Director > ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) > Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz > Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington > "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." > > All information contained in this message is > confidential to members of the ISOCNZ Council. > _______________________________________________________ > isocnz-council-discuss mailing list > isocnz-council-discuss(a)isocnz.org.nz > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-council-discuss -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Amazing
by Chris Foster 26 May '00

26 May '00

Guess what? I only received my name holder id yesterday and today I received my password. How have domainz done it? took them a while to figure out? Chris --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [i-c-discuss] Help request
by Michael Newbery 23 May '00

23 May '00

On 24 May 2000, Simon Lyall <simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Andy Linton wrote: > > Except to note that it's not necessary and in fact simply causes > > confusion. For example, if you wanted to contact Paradise (the ISP) > > would you choose paradise.co.nz or paradise.net.nz? Now make the choice > > as a naive user. > > Of course if they pick www.paradise.gen.nz then they might really have a > problem. > > > With the benefit of hindsight I'd advocate that it's all a crock and a > > single domain, .nz is all we need. > > It does have the advantage in letting "clashing" names have an > alternative. This is especially good since if your name is Mcdonald or > Harrods then if you take a .gen.nz or .org.nz domain then it is > automaticly assumed to be personal rather than taking a shot at the big > boys. As I recall, the intent was also to delegate authority. Thus the owner of .mil.nz would accept only suitably armed and dangerous organisations. The Universities, who were de facto running ".nz" thought they might be considered presumtuous if they allocated all sub-domains, and even then we did not consider it part of our 'core' business. As it happened of course, we ended up doing it for everyone anyway, pretty much. Bear in mind that this was the time of GOSIP, when Standards NZ wanted a large number of thousands of dollars, per year, to assign you an X.121 address. Countries coming to the Internet somewhat later have had the benefit of experience and have sometimes chosen different schemes. Another consideration was that in the VERY early days, we had big and little endian addresses (JANET style nz.ac.vuw vs Internet style vuw.ac.nz), and since NZ had Spearnet (Coloured book, JANET derived protocols) and TCP style addressing simultaneously for a while, PLUS the BITNET link between Auckland and VUW, plus uucp bang paths, plus Compuserve (remember them :-) we tried to make names unambigous under several transformations. That was one reason we explicitly chose 2LDs that were *not* gov, com or edu. By the time mil.nz and org.nz were necessary, this was no longer considered a problem. -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Email notifications et al
by Andrew McEwen Mason 23 May '00

23 May '00

1. Email notifications ------------------- Ted is correct. The messages are going out to Registrars as notified last week and as Ted has discovered. However, they are not as yet going to name server managers who are _not_ Registrars, but this will be changed to include NS managers as from tomorrow morning. 2. Names on hold ------------- We will start tomorrow on releasing the backlog of names on hold. 3. Bugs/issues/change requests --------------------------- We are setting up a discussion list for these, which we plan to have live by this weekend - might cut down on traffic to the public lists :-) Will also have a tool for Registrars in particular to notify and track resolution of bugs. Cheers Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz > [mailto:isocnz-l-admin(a)isocnz.org.nz]On Behalf Of Ted Grenfell > Sent: 23 May, 2000 17:22 > To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz; isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz > Subject: RE: [isocnz-l]Domainz debacle continues > > > At 17:13 23/05/00, Peter Mott wrote: > > > Still nothing from domainz in regard to email notifications. > > > >Just rang domainz, they dont know when soa notifications are going to be> >fixed either. Nothing changes. > > POB told me they should be going today and I've seen some that > are in fact > coming through. We don't yet know though if we're getting all the ones we > should be but we're definitely getting some of them. > > > -- > Ted Grenfell > Xtra ISP Performance Manager > Mob 025 435 455; DDI 09 359 5854; Fax 09 355 5283 > Level 12, Telecom Tower, 16 Kingston St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland > > > > _______________________________________________ > go to http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/isocnz-l > for subscription/unsubscription information. > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: List of Registry Problems
by david＠farrar.com 22 May '00

22 May '00

> > I have compiled (and yes it did take me a long time) a list of known > > problems and bugs encountered with the new DOMAINZ registry system. > > It stands at 49 at present. Many of them have now been resolved but I > > believe it is important to note them as they occurred. > > > > The list is at http://www.dpf.ac.nz/isocnz/domainz.htm > > Excellent idea - I can see this list growing rapidly as more people add > issues to the list. I think it's safe to say that Domainz are unaware of > many of the problems with their system, and so it is important for us to > (politely) raise these issues. A buglist such as this one is an ideal way > to do so. Thanks for the extra eight points. I had had several from others and will update the site tonight. While my original intention was more historical to be of use in any inquiry (and showing the need for one) I am happy to modify it so it can be used to show what problems are still outstanding. Hence I will add on tonight a field called "Resolution" showing if the problem has been resolved, was one-off, is a philosphical as opposed to a technical problem or if it is still unresolved. These will be based on my knowledge which is based on mainly the public lists. I would be most happy once the "Resolution" field has been added on to have DOMAINZ inform me of further resolutions so I can keep it up to date. DPF --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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List of Registry Problems
by DPF 22 May '00

22 May '00

I have compiled (and yes it did take me a long time) a list of known problems and bugs encountered with the new DOMAINZ registry system. It stands at 49 at present. Many of them have now been resolved but I believe it is important to note them as they occurred. The list is at http://www.dpf.ac.nz/isocnz/domainz.htm This is intended as a resource for those who believe that there should be an investigation into why so many problems were encountered, especially as many were avoidable. At this stage I have not ranked them in terms of seriousness. I welcome feedback as to additions and amendments as well as suggestions for the seriousness of each problem on a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being very major fuck up and 5 being a trivial problem of little consequence. Off the top of my head I would tend to put Nos 2, 5, 29, 35, 37, 41, 44 and 47 as all Class 1 problems. DPF ________________________________________________________________________ <david at farrar dot com> NZ Usenet FAQs - http://www.dpf.ac.nz/usenet/nz ICQ 29964527 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ORBS stupidity
by David Zanetti 21 May '00

21 May '00

It's come to my attention that ORBS is listing 203.97.237.122 as an open relay, and therefore is being blocked by various (clueless?) networks.., It happens to be a small mailserver I indirectly have some involvement with. It's not an open relay, it has never relayed spam, and its listing in ORBS defies belief. I have absolutely no interest in Alan's disputes with above.net, and I consider the continued listing of this server to be nothing more than petty vandalism on an innocent 3rd party by Alan. Such vandalism disgusts me, it is only pissing off the very people ORBS is trying to convince of its merit.. Alan, get a clue and stop listing people who _aren't_ open relays in ORBS. I welcome anyone who does not take my word that the server is not an open relay to use any (obviously non-ORBS) tester to prove it.. -- David Zanetti <dave2(a)earthling.net> | "It doesn't matter a damn what the Moderator, nz.politics.announce | [ISOCNZ] members think or say" #include <geek/unix.h> | Jim Higgins, (then) ISOCNZ chairman --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz registrar email notifications
by Peter Mott 21 May '00

21 May '00

I thought domainz were going to fix sending soa emails to name server sysadms. Two weeks down the track and we still have delegations change left right and centre and not a single email notification from domainz. Does anybody know whats going on? Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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reload frequency .nz name servers
by Peter Mott 18 May '00

18 May '00

Does anybody know the timetable for reload of .nz 2TLD name servers on the domainz new system? I just rang them and was advised name servers are only reloaded once a day following a zone build at 4pm. The person did not state whether this occured on the weekend as well as during the week. Useful stuff like this does not appear on the domainz web site :-( Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Email notifications of name server changes
by Andrew McGhie 18 May '00

18 May '00

We are in the process of implementing the following: After any change to name server details for a domain name a notification message will be sent to the email address in the soa record for the master name server. Where the master name server has changed as a result of the operation, the same message will be sent to the email address in the soa record of the master name server to which the domain name is being changed. Email messages will also be sent to the contact email addresses in the DRS database records for any Registrar(s) involved in a transaction. Registrars should therefore check their email contact addresses in the DRS. If these are incorrect, please notify registrars(a)domainz.net.nz and we will correct them. We expect to have these facilities available by the close of business hours tomorrow (19.5.00). Regards Andrew Mason (from Andrew McGhie's email) --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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E-Mail Addy When registering a new domain
by nntp＠takin.proz.ac.nz 17 May '00

17 May '00

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: nz.org.isocnz) Hiyas I have just created a new domain name in the .school.nz space. We have created many of these before for schools as they gain an internet presence. When entering the Name Holder Details, we used to enter the e-mail address as "principal(a)schoolname.school.nz". This was fine and all e-mail to the name holder made it to the desired recipient. I have already set up our mail server to accept mail for that domain. Now when I try and do the same thing with the new DRS system, I am told that the e-mail field is not acceptable. It states that you must use a real address. Presumably this is because their checks show that there is no such domain (as we are only registering it now!!). So, to get around it (the e-mail field is compulsory!) I have to enter a bullshite address with a real domain name (fakie(a)advcomm.co.nz for instance). This is hopeless! Now all e-mail intended for the Name Holder will be lost, whereas it used to get there fine! Why has this chnaged, and can Advantage change it so that it will accept an e-mail field with a domain-name that is still being registered? Thanks in advance! Pete --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [DRS] Email notification of change of Registrar
by Pete 17 May '00

17 May '00

Put my name down for a yes. If it used to happen automatically, and now it does not, who made the decision that it should not be implemented without registrars requesting it? On Thu, 18 May 2000, Andrew McGhie wrote: > As we have announced, when a name is transferred from one Registrar to > another, email notifications are sent to both Registrars on successful > completion of the transfer. > > The system does not at present send a notification to the soa for the names > servers if this is different from the Registrar. As you are probably aware, > we have received a request to do this; we would be grateful to hear from > Registrars as to whether this is a facility that they would like to see. > Technically this can be accomplished very quickly > > Regards > Andrew Mason (from Andrew McGhie's email) > > > > _______________________________________________ > DRS mailing list > DRS(a)domainz.net.nz > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/drs > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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notification of delegation of domain names
by Peter Mott 17 May '00

17 May '00

Sorry for the intrusion... The new domainz system does not send a notification email to the soa email address for the zone a name server is delegated to when delegating or removing a delegation. The UoW system did this ok, and our DNS automatically removed zones as a result of such notification. It appears that DOMAINZ is struggling to hear enough people telling them this is an important feature. As a result, they may not fix the problem. If there are people here who are sysadms for name servers and you value being informed when domain names are moved, can I ask you to send messages to domainz via whatever means you know how, telling them that notification of delegations is rather important and they really should fix it. Thanks Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Zone file builds
by Andrew McEwen Mason 17 May '00

17 May '00

Greetings all This is to inform you of a change in the schedule of zone builds effective Friday 19.5.00. As you know, these have continued uninterrupted at 16.00 daily since the introduction of the new Domainz Registration System, and have been moved to a 7 days/week operation. In the last few days we have consulted with major Registrars about both increasing the frequency of builds and also the preferred timings. A consensus emerged that twice daily would be appreciated, in the morning and after the end of the working day. As a result, starting this Friday (19 May 2000) zone builds will be carried out twice daily at 11.00 and 19.00 - 7 days a week. Thanks to all who gave their input. We hope that this new arrangement will be acceptable to all, and will welcome any feedback on timing, frequency or any other aspect of the zone build process. Regards to all Andrew ________________________________________________ Andrew McEwen Mason BSA Consulting Group 7 Mariri Road, Kelburn Wellington, NZ Phone +64 4 934-3178 Mobile +64 21 466-181 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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FW: [DRS] Zone builds
by Peter Mott 16 May '00

16 May '00

Below for information of sysadmins. It was news to us as we are not a registrar and have no knowledge of the means by which domainz consults. I am not sure if the "zone builds" referred to mean the master name server for .nz 2TLD zones is reloaded using the new data, but one assumes this is the case Regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2day.com -/- > -----Original Message----- > From: drs-admin(a)domainz.net.nz [mailto:drs-admin(a)domainz.net.nz]On > Behalf Of Andrew McEwen Mason > Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 9:49 p.m. > To: drs(a)domainz.net.nz > Subject: [DRS] Zone builds > > > Greetings all > > This is to inform you of a change in the schedule of zone builds effective > Friday 19.5.00. > > AS you know, these have continued uninterrupted at 16.00 daily since the > introduction of the new Domainz Registration System, and have > been moved to > a 7 days/week operation. > > In the last few days we have consulted with major Registrars about both > increasing the frequency of builds and also the preferred timings. A > consensus emerged that twice daily would be appreciated, in the > morning and > after the end of the working day. As a result, starting this > Friday (19 May > 2000) zone builds will be carried out twice daily at 11.00 and 19.00 - 7 > days a week. > > Thanks to all who gave their input. We hope that this new > arrangement will > be acceptable to all, and will welcome any feedback on timing, > frequency or > any other aspect of the zone build process. > > Regards to all > Andrew > > ________________________________________________ > Andrew McEwen Mason > BSA Consulting Group > 7 Mariri Road, Kelburn > Wellington, NZ > > Phone +64 4 934-3178 Mobile +64 21 466-181 > > > _______________________________________________ > DRS mailing list > DRS(a)domainz.net.nz > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/drs --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Name server authoritativeness checking
by Andrew McGhie 16 May '00

16 May '00

This is to confirm that the DRS has been amended such that, at registration or change of delegation it carries out authoritativeness checks on the master and first slave name servers only, and no others. The checks that it carries out have also been relaxed, which will overcome some other problems experienced in some quarters. The actual checks that are carried out are currently being documented and will be promulgated by the end of the day tomorrow. In the meantime, please let us know if there are any specific details you would like to see in this documentation. Regards Andrew Mason --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Old UPSes for New
by Joe Abley 16 May '00

16 May '00

Hi, Due to bad planning, I have two nearly-new Compaq UPSes that are about 10cm too long for the racks I need to put them in. The units were supplied new by Compaq for the LV Cup media centre in Auckland, and were purchased by my client as the media centre was closed down at the end of the Americas Cup. They have not since been used. The UPSes seem to be a Compaq-rebadged version of an APC rack-mount UPS, spec'd to 3000 kVA. Maximum input current 16A. 18 x 10A outputs on three separate buses. About 70kg each, which brings them nicely into the "christ, my back" category of equipment haulage. [Unit descriptions are from memory; I don't have them with me right now] I'd be very happy if I could exchange them for other, similar-spec rack- mount UPSes that will fit in our cabinets. If I have to, I will sell them. Private mail gratefully received :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Well known problem
by Arron Scott 15 May '00

15 May '00

Hi all, As this is a discussion forum for Network Operations people in NZ, I thought I would raise a little problem that I regularly see around the network. I am not pointing this at anyone in NZ in specific, it's just FYI. Hopefully most of you will already know about this. The problem: Clients can ping Web Servers running MTU Path Discovery but cannot HTTP. Why: At HTTP connect time, MTU is negotiated as the lowest set on the interfaces between server and client, for both using Internet this would be 1500 bytes. After that the server attempts to do MTU Path Discovery, by sending the largest agreed packet marked "DO NOT FRAGMENT". If there is a circuit somewhere along the path that is smaller than that packet size, the router is expected to drop the packet, and return ICMP Unreachables, with the "COULD NOT FRAGMENT" message attached. The server should then try a smaller packet. Unfortunately it is common for sites to filter the ICMP Unreachables, which the server never sees, and it spends it's life resending MTU Discovery Packets forever. How to Fix it: TURN OFF MTU PATH DISCOVERY on the server ... or less popular, change filtering to allow the required responses in. It is of course possible to fix the MTU for a specific case, but this never will work for everyone on the Internet. Common Scenarios: This will regularly occur with networks using; - Tunnels (L2TP, GRE, IPIP etc) as the tunnels must have lower MTU than the physical path, to allow it to carry the IP header. - ISDN Routers, where the client has an Ethernet, but the ISDN dialled connection is set to 952 or whatever. - Sites behind small links, where the MTU is tuned for the bandwidth available. This does not occur on dial-up connections, as the client may only have an MTU of 512 bytes, but this is internal to the client, and the original MTU negotiation will prevent a path discovery of packets beyond the MTU of the rest of the path. ps. I hope you are all aware of the problem with clients setting IP packets with a TTL of 32 hops, causing certain locations deep inside Europe to be unreachable. Detail on this problem is on www.netgate.net.nz under the "Too Many Hops Issue" Hope this is useful, Arron Scott Telecom NZ Ltd (But only for three more weeks)

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Tic toc, tic toc......BOOM.......
by Ben Martel 15 May '00

15 May '00

Fellow time travellers, Due to the need for most of us humanoids to have some reference to this thing called 'time' CLEAR Net have now installed (for the general enhancement of the Internet in NZ - hint to ISOCNZ), albeit a minor enhancement, a GPS based time source for your pleasure. This service is based on a unit (which claims to be a stratum one time source - <sigh>) located on the top of the CLEAR building, in Takapuna, Auckland. Techincal details: Device: Truetime NTS 90 (http://www.truetime.com) Hostname: bigben.clix.net.nz - also CNAME'd as tictoc.clix.net.nz IP Address: 203.167.224.60 Protocols supported: NTP (RFC 1305), SNTP (RFC 1361), TIME (RFC 868) NB: You cannot query this device using NTP unless the source port for the request is the NTP port (a la an NTP server). You are free to use this service - Enjoy! Any problems please report them to bgp(a)clear.net.nz. Ben Martel CLEAR Net --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RFC (fwd) Registration of Offensive Names
by Sue Leader 15 May '00

15 May '00

Greetings - fowarded on behalf of: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- <snip> From: Elizabeth <E-DengateThrush(a)GlobalEsoft.com> Subject: Registration of offensive names <snip> Comment and feedback sought for proposed policy change. ISOCNZ has proposed a change to its registration of offensive names policy. The proposed policy has been previously circulated to members for comment. The quality of the comments has been worthwhile though the level of feedback and comment has been low. This is an area where our membership who are largely and 'on-line' population, potentially has a different view from the general population, who also have an interest in the Internet in New Zealand. The proposed policy covers registration. Perhaps some thought could be given to remedies for people or organisations that find a name offensive. This would be an adjunct to the proposed policy rather than necessarily change the direction that is indicated in the proposed policy. I urge you to consider the effect on our society of the ability for anyone to register and promote an offensive domain name and what, if anything, we should do about this. I welcome your comments and views. In the interest of brevity please reply to me, and in line with the ISOCNZ policy development process, I will log comments, summarise and include points of view if appropriate. Comments and associated policy developments will be available on the website in due course. Regards Liz Dengate Thrush Policy Committee, ISOCNZ ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- <snip> Below is the policy on offensive words which Council approved in principle for public consultation. "We have not defined in our current policy what words are necessarily offensive and unregisterable but DOMAINZ tends to follow the FCC list of seven words that can not be used on air. Policy Committee recommends that we should remove the ban for the reasons below 1) By banning just some words we are seen to give implicit approval to the words we do let through. This contrasts with our general policy of not making judgements as to who may use what name.. 2) The gTLDs like *.com no longer ban any offensive words 3) People have been able to work around the ban with domain names such as motherf-cker.co.nz which is a legal and registerable name 4) Because we only control third level names we are unable to anyway stop people registering for example sucker.co.nz and setting up a 4th level domain such as cock.sucker.co.nz 5) Why ban certain words just in domain names when they are can be used on the websites themselves. 6) We have been unable to come up with any definitive list of what words we will ban and hence can be accused of having a very ad hoc policy. 7) We only ban offensive words in english yet let through potentially offensive words in Maori which is also an official language of NZ. 8) Having the current policy, without defining what words are not acceptable, stops DOMAINZ from being able to have a fully automated registry where people can register names without human interference in the registry process, thus restricting the registry to normal working hours only. Therefore for all of the above reasons we recommend to Council that the ban on offensive words be lifted. Public comment is sought before Council makes a final decision to rescind the current policy banning offensive words. ------------------------------ Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "Error: Press any key to continue or any other key to quit..." --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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