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0867 dial plans - Telecom and the Internet
by Roger De Salis 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

Subject: [ISOCNZ-COUNCIL] Telecom Update Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:23:19 +1200 From: "Sue Leader" <netwoman(a)one2one.co.nz> Reply-To: Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz To: isocnz-l(a)isocnz.org.nz CC: isocnz-members(a)isocnz.org.nz Greetings all You may remember that ISOCNZ was waiting until we met with Telecom representatives and got some core questions answered before taking a position on the Internet Access Pricing Changes/0867 number introduction. After a series of delays Telecom managed to get the right group of people together at the same time and place, and the ISOCNZ delegation met with those representatives on last Friday (June 25). The meeting was productive, with answers being provided to almost all our questions. In addition, ISOCNZ was able to negotiate some favorable outcomes for our stakeholders. So why the delay in letting you know? Telecom undertook to supplement our notes of the meeting with written responses by close of day yesterday (Tuesday 29). As soon as these arrive we will make them available on the web-site. In the meantime we have decided to publish the written questions which ISOCNZ provided to Telecom on June 13 - fifteen days before the meeting. These questions were compiled from questions supplied by our stakeholders, primarily via the isocnz-l list. As the timeframe dragged out, the Council took the opportunity to refine the questions into subject groupings which would allow the topics to be more easily covered during the space of the meeting. Telecom had these questions several days in advance, as well as the original list of 33 questions. Both sets of questions are linked from: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/issues.html On a happier note - the Media Releases page has been updated recently and includes information on the appointment of two NZers to International Internet Governance Bodies - Peter Dengate Thrush and Andy Linton. The media didn't really pick up on this story and I felt we needed to celebrate their achievements - to read all about it - please reload the Media Releases page at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/pressrels.html Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington "ERROR 406: file corrupt: config.earth -- reboot universe? (Y/N)" -- All information contained in this message is confidential to members of the ISOCNZ Council -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[bmanning@ISI.EDU: DEW #3 - 48 hours]
by Joe Abley 28 Jun '99

28 Jun '99

----- Forwarded message from bmanning(a)ISI.EDU ----- Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu From: bmanning(a)ISI.EDU Posted-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DEW #3 - 48 hours To: those-concerned-with-operational-integrity(a)ISI.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bmanning(a)ISI.EDU X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0] Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu X-Loop: nanog Hi, I appologize for duplicates. Its almost time for the next quarterly walk of the inverse tree of the DNS. For the last few quarters, I've been walking the in-addr tree looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. The expectation is that they will be the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 Past data is at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html The run is scheduled to start 01 July 1999 @ 00:01 UTC. If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. -- bill manning 310.822.1511 ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ operators address book
by Joe Abley 23 Jun '99

23 Jun '99

I have thrown something up to get the ball rolling. It's pretty cheap and nasty, be warned :) http://www.patho.gen.nz/nznog/contact.html You will need a username and password to get in, since the idea is that this address book has personal contact details rather than generic helpdesky ones where possible. Mail me with a username and password, and I'll set you up. Additionally, you might like to send me contact details (name, e-mail, phone, fax where available/appropriate) for the following categories: o Usenet o Abuse (annoying) o Abuse (panic) o Routing anomolies o BGP filter updates o Network peering o Cache peering o Cables cut o Building access o Policy There's also a "Notes" category for other misc info (the CLEAR entry has "Route policy in RADB" there). Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Y2K stuff.
by Roger De Salis 22 Jun '99

22 Jun '99

I've received an approach from a Malaysian ISP, wishing to contact their NZ equivalents, as the clocks turnover to '00. I would guess there there will be others, who are interested in how NZ is faring, and potentially use the 6, or 8, or 17 hours of leeway they have productively in the event of some unforeseen problem. I would rather not have the entire worlds ISP support staff phone their counterparts in NZ to enquire "How it going?". Given the fact many of them will simply want to silently observe that there is no problem, what is the best way to go about this? Let them subscribe to the nog? Form a special NOG for the brown-out period 11/99-1/00? Suggest that no-one in NZ really cares about the rest of the world, and they can all....... Appoint Peter Mott as a Y2K spokesman? and direct all enquiries to him? Any one any other suggestions? Many Thanks. Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Y2K stuff.
by Robert Gray 22 Jun '99

22 Jun '99

Roger wrote, > Given the fact many of them will simply want to silently > observe that there is no problem, what is the best way > to go about this? The Y2K Commisiion wish to do just this on their web site, we are working with them on ways to minimise the probability of down time (basically geograpic dispersal and minimum dependence on proprietary code). Give me a call and I'll put you in touch.... Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Contact Numbers [was: Y2K stuff]
by Robert Gray 22 Jun '99

22 Jun '99

>Just an idea -- any comments? Good scheme Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Naylor [mailto:richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 1999 18:08 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: jabley(a)clear.co.nz Subject: Re: Contact Numbers [was: Y2K stuff] At 04:44 pm 22/06/99 +1200, Joe Abley wrote: >On a more tedious, on-topic note, is anybody else interested in keeping >a central repository of contact e-mail addresses and phone numbers for >NZ net ops? Not for consumption by the general public, but maybe stuck >on a web page somewhere behind a crude password? > Yes - I'm keen. My black book is falling to pieces..... >I was thinking in terms of contacts for categories, like: > > + usenet feed-tweaking > + abuse notification > + routing strangeness > + network peering > + proxy peering + cables cut + bills not paid + stuffed routers >The idea is to provide a list of second-tier and third-tier support >to our counterparts in other providers, so that we don't end up having >to do battle with the helpdesk IVR at 3am when something nasty just >happened. > >Just an idea -- any comments? > You mean you don't like me phoning you cos yours is the only cell phone number in Clear I have ? Maybe thats why all the others don't give me numbers ........ Actually I have a page for the members of WIX and will do something similar for APE. rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Make an us an offer we can't refuse
by Andy Linton 21 Jun '99

21 Jun '99

http://www.netlink.co.nz/Media_Release_22_June99.html --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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BGP filtering
by Joe Abley 09 Jun '99

09 Jun '99

Hi all, CLEAR publishes its routing policy in the RADB. Just out of interest, do any of our peers pull our policy from there in order to build filter lists? If so, how often do you do it? I ask because it seems that some of our advertisements are not being accepted by some peers; naturally the games players have been the first ones to notice and point this out :) If anybody would like a pre-built, up-to-date filter list for cisco routers (for advertisements from AS4768 routers only), please drop me a line. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Facility available for APE
by Richard Naylor 08 Jun '99

08 Jun '99

CityLink would like to announce the availability of a peering facility on Level 48 of the Sky Tower in Auckland. This will be a neutral peering facility using an ethernet switch supported with a local unix box and UPS. The unix box will run mrtg for traffic statistics and NOCMON for port monitoring. Statistics will be available to peering users on their ports only on application. Users will be able to establish bilateral peering arrangements or in conjunction with users, we will establish a unilateral peering facility. The unix box will also offer a route server and reflector along with an AS number for users who may not currently have an AS of their own. CityLink will also operate an independent (pre-CIDR) address space for users to use for unilateral peering. The facility will be managed from Wellington using CityLink's established 24x7 support facility. Local hands on support will be sub-contracted to a local supplier. Access to the facility is available for a connection fee of $750.00 + GST and a monthly support fee of $62.50. Customer ports will be restricted to a limited number of MAC addresses to ensure some degree of security between customers. CityLink is a Network Operator based in Wellington with a large IP network based on a 40km fiber cable network. It operates the neutral Wellington Internet Exchange with approximately 12 connected Internet Service Providers. Its network has approximately 20 switches installed in a distributed switching fabric. Q1 - Why are you doing this ? CityLink has experience in neutral switching and IX operations in high bandwidth applications. CityLink operates a MAC based metropolitan area network with multiple ISPs Q2. Will there be a link between the Wellington IX and APE ? The ISP community provides this connectivity at the present time. It is not expected that CityLink will provide this facility. Q3. Does this mean that CityLink will be operating a network in Auckland ? No. We see that we can add value and experience in operating a neutral exchange in Auckland. Q4 - Aren't you scared of heights ? 48 Floors ? YES. Power poles ? No. Q5 - What will be there ? A 6 foot rack with nice gear in it. At this stage the rack has a UPS and Unix box and a small switch. The switch will grow as traffic and port requirements demand. Q6 - Where will spares be held ? Spare and hardware service will be provided locally in Auckland. Q7 - I want to join - How do I get signed up or find out more ? Send email to info(a)citylink.co.nz or phone 04-917-0200 Q8 - When will the service be live ? We expect to be installed and operating by 20 June 1999. Q9 - What sort of switch will be in APE ? At this stage we have a Cisco ethernet switch in the cabinet. We are talking with other suppliers about what options are available. Our experience is that we often grow a switch capacity as demand rises. We have a number of switches in Wellington and swap them out as the port count requires. (we have yet to see a bandwidth limitation) Q10 - Why are you charging ? We are charging on a simple cost recovery basis. We feel that if the peering point is free then it is abused. If a charge is levied then users will appreciate that management is applied to the exchange. CityLink is not a huge organisation and needs to recover some of its costs. The costs mentioned above should not be a barrier to likely user organisations. [ends] richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DNS issues. BIND 8.2
by dylan＠ihug.co.nz 03 Jun '99

03 Jun '99

After much to-ing and fro-ing we are coming to the end of our collective teathers. Since Sunday morning (last Sunday) morning at around 8am we have been having an odd problem with our primary nameserver, ns1.ihug.net.nz (203.29.160.4). It goes something like this, nameserver is doing it's thing happily, when for no apparent reason it just stops responding to named requests for a short time and then a while later starts going again. For obvious reasons this is a major problem. And we can find nothing that is causing this. The symptoms: o Server stops responding to named queries. o At one stage it appeared that when constantly pinging it the TTL would change from 64 to 255 for the exact same duration that the nameserver was affected. I am unable to confirm that this is still the case. o The outages appear to be for exactly 2 or 3 minutes to the seccond. (Maybe other durations?) o At the same time this is happening we are getting "Possible syn flood" messages from various IP addresses (they don't seem to be related). It is my understanding that at about the same time (Sunday) that CLEAR, Waikato and possible Telecom/Xtra had a similar problems (I am not sure where this information comes from or how accurate it is), but are no longer. What we have done: o We swapped our nameservers around, this seems to solve the problem however, it affects our practical ability to control zones etc... o New software installations. The box affected had recently been rebuilt before the incident, and we did not suspect it was a software issue, but rebuilt anyhow. It has affected both Slackware and Debian installations with BIND 8.1.2 and BIND 8.2. Conclusions: o It only occurs when then machine is on 203.29.160.4 and is acting as a master. It does not affect slaves on that IP and does not affect masters on another IP. o Hardware is not a fault - We have used more than one physical machine. The effects did not change. o It appears the the nameserver itself stops during that time. Incoming traffic still reaches the box, but none goes out. Also for the duration there seems to be no nameserver logging. Short completely changing our nameserver infrastrucure we are at a loss as to what we can do. Probable solutions: o None - Goddammit! Any ideas? Dylan Reeve DDI: +64 9 359-2746 Assistant DNS Admin Fax: +64 9 358-5134 ihug business Freecall: 0800 847-638 http://www.ihug.co.nz/ Email: dylan(a)ihug.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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DEW alert
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 31 May '99

31 May '99

Hi, I appologize for duplicates. Its almost time for the next quarterly walk of the inverse tree of the DNS. For the last few quarters, I've been walking the in-addr tree looking for numbers of delegations, accurate delegations, and types and styles of error conditions. So... this is a heads up that you will be seeing zone transfers being generated by a couple of the collecter machines here. For those of you who utilize BINDs access controls, I'd appreciate your inclusion of the collector machines in allowed transfers. The expectation is that they will be the following IP addresses: 128.9.160.57 and 198.32.4.13 Past data is at: www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html The run is scheduled to start 01 July 1999. If there are any questions or concerns, I'd be happy to talk about them. Past data has been presented at IEPG, Apricot and RIPE meetings. The expectation is that future data will be presented in the same and similar forums. -- bill --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Auckland Peering Exchange
by Joe Abley 31 May '99

31 May '99

Hi, The state of play would seem to be as follows: o CLEAR's provisioning people tell me that our racks will be complete (and our transmission network between Symonds Street and the Tower will be tested and ready for service) by the end of next week. o CLEAR will have 24 ports of 10baseT available as soon as everything else is ready, and we're happy to donate ports to other providers in the interests of getting things up and running. These ports will be physically in one of the CLEAR cabinets on L48, but we can run copper to other cabinets on request. o I'm hoping to have a stratum-1 (well, GPS-fed) NTP source installed in the tower some time relatively soon, which exchange participants will be most welcome to chime off. o Sky have at least one community cabinet available now on L48. o I have had two offers of donated ethernet switches. o I have had one offer of exchange management. My nosey enquiries seem to suggest that there are at least six or so providers who are in the closing stages of organising a presence in the Tower (or who already have one). There are issues to discuss, including: o Numbering; o Suitability of any particular vendors' offered free switches; o Are we happy to have multiple switches, owned/operated by different organisations, all bridged together to form the exchange media? o Suitability of any particular organisation's offered exchange management; o Exchange acceptable-use guidelines. To avoid cluttering the NZNOG list with matters specific to the APE (and in accordance with the current vogue in list proliferation), I have created a couple of APE-specific mailing lists: ape-discuss ape-announce To subscribe, send a message containing the line subscribe listname to listmanager(a)patho.gen.nz, cleverly substituting the list name for "listname". Archives are available by e-mail and on the web at http://www.patho.gen.nz/list/ If these lists aren't of any use (and/or people prefer to use the NZNOG list for this) that's fine, I'll remove them. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 31 May '99

31 May '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had over eighty subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Annoying email addresses
by Michael Newbery 30 May '99

30 May '99

-- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 >>> "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.com> - 31/5/99 10:57 AM >>> >Does anybody know of the use of an ampersand character in an e-mail address >is accepted as ok? > >him&her(a)isp.com > >I would have thought it quite bad form, but these larger free email services >seem to allow almost anything ascii in an email address these days. The >only reason I have a problem is I have a script somewhere in my world of >technology that does not like them, and being Monday morning, I cant find it No sympathy I'm afraid. From RFC822: address = mailbox ; one addressee / group ; named list mailbox = addr-spec ; simple address / phrase route-addr ; name & addr-spec addr-spec = local-part "@" domain ; global address local-part = word *("." word) ; uninterpreted ; case-preserved word = atom / quoted-string atom = 1*<any CHAR except specials, SPACE and CTLs> CHAR = <any ASCII character> ; ( 0-177, 0.-127.) specials = "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" ; Must be in quoted- / "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> ; string, to use / "." / "[" / "]" ; within a word. Ampersand is not a 'special', so it's quite legal. When you find your script I hope you'll make sure it also copes with something . (note the white space and the comment (comments can nest) between the atoms) like-this* . "Is quite legal #@!!" @ liberals.are.us :-) The good news is that when you get down to it, it's very easy to write a parser for rfc822, if you base it on the production rules. BTW, pp 30-31 of RFC821 do not narrow the definition of address. In fact, rfc821/rfc822 are TOO restrictive, predating as they do UNICODE. There is no way to include non-Roman, or indeed accented characters, in an address, and no extension mechanism akin to HTML's %nn. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Annoying email addresses -Reply
by Donald Neal 30 May '99

30 May '99

>>> "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.com> 31/May/1999 10:57am >>> >Does anybody know of the use of an ampersand character in an e-mail >address >is accepted as ok? >him&her(a)isp.com Well, RFC821 says that "the mail data includes the memo header items such as Date, Subject, To, Cc, From" and that "The mail data may contain any of the 128 ASCII characters." - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers
by david＠farrar.com 30 May '99

30 May '99

On Thu, 27 May 1999 11:36:22 +1200, Peter Mott wrote: >> I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing >> so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, >> Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they >> didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. > >We have a different view on what consultation is. FWIW in hindsight I believe there would have been merit in posting something on say nznog asking for feedback. Perhaps one of the things we can look at is"recognising" nznog as something which should form part of a consultation process on relevant issues. Of course nznog may not want this and might prefer say isocnz-l or isocnz-announce is used for all consultations on these sort of issues. I'll forward this post to nznog (not cross-post) for their interest. But having recognised consultation could be better, let me say nothing is cast in stone. ISOCNZ Council agreed to stop the situation where anyone at all could do zone transfers, but also recognised that certain people or groups would have legitimate grounds for access. Now that leaves enough flexibility to have a very liberal or very tight "access" policy. You have most of the ISOCNZ Technical Cmte on this list and I'm sure that if there is a widespread consensus on what is desirable, agreement can be reached. A point I'll make is ISOCNZ does have some obligations in terms of legal responsibilities as "custodian" which have to be considered. > > I have since been seconded onto ISOCNZ council to fill the vacancy left >> by Peter Mott's resignation and am now on that committee. The tech >> committee have the task of looking at closing of the zone transfer >> holes. This is not cast in stone and could be changed if valid reasons >> can be produced. > > David Farrer said a decision had already been made to disallow XFRS. Can >we get the story straight please? The decision was to stop anyone at all doing transfers. I don't think there is much disagreement that an open slather let anyone grab it and possibly spam with it scenario is desirable to continue. It was recognised some people would still have a need to do transfers. As for how stringent or liberal the policy is, could I pose a number of policy scenarios which may help people focus on what they consider desirable. Now I am not great on all the technical side so I hope I have captured this correctly. a) Status Quo - where anyone at all can do a transfer with no restriction b) No automatic transfers are possible but any *.nz name holder can ask for a zone transfer as long as they promise not to spam. Of course they may give it to others who do with no way to check this. c) Any NZ ISP (and how do we define that) may get a copy of the zone data. Perhaps with an agreement not to spam, on sell etc d) No automatic right of access but any person or group can ask for access, specifying the intended purpose of the data. DOMAINZ to decide which requests are accepted based on criteria set by ISOCNZ (which could come from this group). Note any info about why it is wanted which is given to DOMAINZ would be confidential and not to be publicised e) No access at all except to secondaries (ie those who *need* rather than *want* it Now I'm sure there are many more combinations but hopefully that gets much of it. Feedback on which option is desirable is welcome. Someone raised why ISOCNZ is involved at all. Well simply ISOCNZ has the *duty* on behalf of the Internet Community to be the custodian (for lack of a better word) of the *.nz DNS and associated data. As part of that role it does need to consider implications of what it does with the data. We do have a Privacy Act which few other countries have and we do need to be careful that if ever challenged on what our policies are to do with data we have collected, we can demonstrate that issues have been thought through in a considered manner. I realise the zone data itself may not be relevant to the privacy act, but that it *unlocks* other data may be an issue. Who knows at some stage we may have to spend some money on a legal opinion on our obligations. Speaking for me personally I have no firm view on how liberal or stringent access to the zone files should be (except I strongly support removing open slather access) and am inclined to be supportive of any consensus position reached by a group representative of the industry. DPF --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Anyone running mail on Solaris 2.6 with tcp timestamps tunerd on?
by Chris Wedgwood 27 May '99

27 May '99

Is there anyone out there running using Solaris 2.6 with tcp timestamps turned on for mail? If so, would they mind letting me hit them with some test messages, maybe a hundred or so short messages? I'm trying to track down some funnies and want to be sure of things before I start blaming Solaris again :) -Chris --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers
by Andy Linton 27 May '99

27 May '99

2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > > >I haven't yet got the draft minutes but my recollection of the ISOCNZ > >Council meeting on Friday is that the consensus was to do exactly that > >- for reasons of both privacy act considerations and anti-spamming. > > Yet another example of ISOCNZ making decisions without consulting industry. > Extremely bad form. I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. I have since been seconded onto ISOCNZ council to fill the vacancy left by Peter Mott's resignation and am now on that committee. The tech committee have the task of looking at closing of the zone transfer holes. This is not cast in stone and could be changed if valid reasons can be produced. I'd also note some data points: 1) The root nameservers have had open transfers turned off. 2) The Domainz RFI for the management of the DNS indicates that in the near future the primary and secondary servers will be operated by Domainz. The organisations that host the secondary servers will not have administrative control over them so Joe's recent example where Clear and Xtra currently have access to the zone file data will not hold in the future. 3) Mark Davies' web pages which list the NZ domain names will disappear in their current form. I'd like people to put their cards on the table and say why they want access to the complete zone files. That would help us understand if there are valid reasons for leaving the transfers open. I also believe this discussion belongs on the NZNOG list. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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International Internet changing regimes
by Frank March 27 May '99

27 May '99

A further note on developments in this very occasional series. I have available a copy of the report of a meeting of the Rapporteur Group on International Network Cost Components for the Internet (part of the ITU, and published in the ITU Telecommunications Standardisation Sector newsletter COM 3-R 17-E March 1999). There seems to be some overlap in membership between this group and the APEC TEL activities. The meeting was in Sydney 22,23 September 1998 and covers work by a study group with the following terms of reference: -identify the international network components for the Internet which reside within the GII framework; -determine cost issues; and -if considered appropriate, to propose a set of principles on the equitable cost compensation between international circuit providers. The group notes that "it is not, at this time, in a position to propose a preferred set of principles" and further work is proposed. I will fax a copy (11 pages) to anyone sending me a number. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ICANN document of interest
by Andy Linton 27 May '99

27 May '99

http://www.icann.org/tld-deleg-prac.html NEW: Statement of IANA TLD Delegation Practices IMPORTANT NOTICE. The following document is being posted for the information of the Internet community. It contains a statement of the current policies being followed by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) in administering delegations of Top Level Domain Names of the Internet Domain Names System (DNS). At a future date, the ICANN Board may consider changes to these policies and will, at such time, notice proposed changes for public comment in accordance with the ICANN Bylaws. Comments on this document are welcome and should be directed to comments(a)icann.org. -- Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: Delivery failure (registry-discuss@2day.com)]
by Andy Linton 26 May '99

26 May '99

> Subject: Re: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:13:40 +0000 > From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> > Organization: Netlink, Wellington > To: registry-discuss(a)2day.com > > 2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: > > > > > I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing > > > so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, > > > Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they > > > didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. > > > > We have a different view on what consultation is. > > Just because you aren't included in a discussion, it doesn't mean there > hasn't been one. > > > > > > I have since been seconded onto ISOCNZ council to fill the vacancy left > > > by Peter Mott's resignation and am now on that committee. The tech > > > committee have the task of looking at closing of the zone transfer > > > holes. This is not cast in stone and could be changed if valid reasons > > > can be produced. > > > > David Farrer said a decision had already been made to disallow XFRS. Can > > we get the story straight please? > > > > Read my posting - I'm asking for reasons why this should be changed and > all I'm hearing is whinging about how unreponsive ISCONZ are. > > > p.s. If you took up my vacancy, you would be on the education and research > > subcommittee. > > Nope! I'm on the commitee that's most appropriate for my background and > experience. -- Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Zone transfers from .nz name servers
by Robert Gray 26 May '99

26 May '99

>I'm still waiting for a reasoned argument from Peter about this issue. I've spoken to Peter about the zone transfers and he has told me why he wants the ability to do them. I would like to say that: a) the use he makes of it (IMHO) breaches no privacy nor has any other concern and b) it _is_ commercially sensitive - I certainly would not tell too many people unless I wanted competition. There's a conundrum then. Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Restricting axfr's from ns99.waikato.ac.nz
by Chris Wedgwood 26 May '99

26 May '99

Without wishing to step into the flames, has anyone considered it may already be too _late_ to stop people form generating a list of all .nz domains? Right now, I'm sure plenty of people have copies on the .nz zone files (for various reasons), and they probably update these fairly often. Even if this information is made unavailable to the public at large, people can just check (daily) the Domainz Pending Activity page and produce deltas from that... I just verified that this is indeed possible with a little script that took no more than 5 minutes or so to get going... -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Fw: Welcome
by Andy Linton 26 May '99

26 May '99

2Day Operations wrote: > > Date: Thursday, 27 May 1999 11:29 > Subject: Welcome > > >Welcome to the registry-discuss list provided by 2Day Internet Ltd > > > >PURPOSE > > > >This list is provided for discussion of commercial and > >technical issues associated with changes to the .nz > >domain name registration service advised by DOMAINZ on > >Tuesday 18 May 1999. > > > >INVITATION > > > >Any person or organisation with a commercial interest > >in this topic is invited to participate. > > > >ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY > > > >Without wishing to restrict the free flow of ideas and > >information, the list owner (2Day Internet Limited) > >requires that:- > > > > > >a) Messages posted to this list are NOT posted to any > > other list or news group at the same time. > > Looks like I'm breach of Peter's acceptable use policy so I'd better be unsubscribed from 'registry-discuss' I'll be talking about this on the NZNOG list from now on. Join me there if you want a list where who you post to is not dictated to by the list owner. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: [registry-discuss] Zone transfers from .nz name servers]
by Roger De Salis 26 May '99

26 May '99

2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: |> |> >I haven't yet got the draft minutes but my recollection of the |> >ISOCNZ Council meeting on Friday is that the consensus was to |> > do exactly that |> >- for reasons of both privacy act considerations and anti-spamming. |> |> Yet another example of ISOCNZ making decisions without consulting |> industry. Extremely bad form. | | I'd say that ISOCNZ did consult industry and are in the process of doing | so. Some weeks ago the ISOCNZ technical committee, John Vorstermans, | Mark Davies and Roger De Salis talked to Joe Abley and myself. If they | didn't talk with Peter that doesn't mean they didn't talk with industry. ===================================================================== Exactly 10 days ago, I did send out an email to the ISOCNZ council, plus Andy and Joe, with proposal to possibly restrict zone transfers. The sequence was:- 1/ Put an inital proposal to the council plus others to ensure that the technical proposal was sound, and find out if there were i) raving objections, ii) muted dissent iii) muted assent iv) other. 2/ Post the corrected proposal to the NOG for comment. 3/ Assemble and Post feedback to the NOG, and come to a acceptable consensus. Unfortunately real work interfered with this timetable. This email represents step 2. The proposal was informally discussed at the last council meeting, which I was not able to fully attend. Here is the proposal in full, as it was sent out earlier. I remind interested parties that this is a PROPOSAL. Thoughtful comment, dissent and wisely worded counter propoosals will all be thoroughly considered. Here is the proposal as originally sent out. ======================================================================== PROPOSAL:- The caretaker of the registry has been concerned for sometime about the ability to do a complete download of the zone files, and then trawl them for useful information. Typically why people do this is to keep score, and we have no evidence that people have used this information for malicious purposes thus far. But the information does contain personal information, which it must do to permit network operators to rightfully go about their business, and brilliant efforts to keep the internet running. It also potentially offers plenty of SPAM potential. If whole downloads were restricted, but reasonable queries of a moderate length we allowed, and a working who-is was on line, and there was an ability to run reasonable global queries (eg no of domains by provider etc etc), is a restriction on possible global downloads reasonable. A positive suggestion here is that global downloads continue to be permitted, but the receiver must authenticate themselves, so reasonable use can be estimated. A parallel example is Cisco's shipping database. You have query access (via login) to any information, but you need a valid number to be able to extract the single event. There is no way to get the whole of shipping details at that second. But in theory it is all there. The proposal is therefore to propose some minor technical changes with an eye on the Privacy requirements, but ensure that sufficiently useful access and information exists to permit the nog to do their job. I would be most interested to collect opinions about positive technical suggestions, leave it the way it is, or make these suggested changes. Rgds Roger De Salis ====================================================== Joe's comments came back as:- (and appear to me to be eminently reasonable. I hope he will not mind me re-publishing.) For the record, it's only ns99 and rata that currently permit zone transfers; none of the others do. A good compromise might be to restrict zone transfers from ns99 to "all authoritative servers plus authorised hosts" to allow people like Peter to continue to pull the data, without having to mess about with ftp. Domainz could authorise hosts as they saw fit (I would expect the authorisation policy to be fairly non-restrictive). The driver for doing this, remember, is to prevent the unscrupulous walking the DNS, enumerating domain names for the purposes of evil spam; it's not to stop record harvesting for the purposes of generating statistics. This is just for ns99 -- I would expect other authoritative servers to deny transfers from _anybody_. Maintaining a current transfer access list on every secondary is unnecessary. Being overly restrictive on this issue could be problematic anyway; for example CLEAR and Xtra have access to the zone files since they operate authoritative nameservers for the benefit of the community. It would be bizarre if other providers were denied access to the same information simply because they're small (or focused on niche services). Joe ================================================================ -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes.

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.nz Secondary -- Victoria University upgrading Bind to 8.2
by Patrick O'Brien 25 May '99

25 May '99

NZNOG'ers, FYI, Victoria University are in the process of upgrading the .nz Secondary from Bind 4.9(ish) to 8.2. In doing so, they will be restricting zone transfers to the Primary and Secondary .nz zone machines. Richard Stevenson is the contact, at Victoria My regards, PATRICK J O'BRIEN Fax: (04) 473-4569 Voice: (04) 473-4567 Mail: P.O.BRIEN(a)DOMAINZ.NET.NZ Web: http://www.DOMAINZ.NET.NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Roger Hicks' email address
by Frank March 24 May '99

24 May '99

Folks: Off topic; unless the intention is to offer Roger a beer, I suppose, but does anyone know what his address is these days? Apparently his old Clear address is no longer operational. I would appreciate any assistance. Frank March Specialist Advisor, IT Policy Group Ministry of Commerce, PO Box 1473, Wellington Telephone (+64 4) 474 2908; Fax (+64 4) 471 2658 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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nz.org.isocnz newsfeed to tardis.patho.gen.nz
by Joe Abley 21 May '99

21 May '99

Hello people, Is anybody able to set up a tiny newsfeed to tardis.patho.gen.nz (203.97.2.226), feeding only nz.org.isocnz? Tardis won't be originating any messages. Path entry tardis.patho.gen.nz. Many thanks in giddy anticipation :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[Fwd: (Fwd) Class C]
by Roger De Salis 19 May '99

19 May '99

-- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes.

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[Fwd: (Fwd) Class C] -Reply
by Brett Telfer 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi, This address is part of the 210.55.x.x blocks being advertised by NetGate. I have passed on the message to Don (contactable at nic(a)netgate.net.nz), and he will be contacting Wayne directly to help sort this out. Regards BT >>> Roger De Salis <rdesalis(a)cisco.com> 20/May/1999 01:15pm >>> -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Discussion list for .nz registry changes
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 19 May '99

19 May '99

Domainz has announced changes which will have a commercial and technical impact for any organisation that registers domain names on behalf of their customers. The changes are described at:- http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/access.htm http://www.domainz.net.nz/Access_Change/POB-Customer-id-FAQ.htm 2Day Internet Limited considers there is considerable merit in discussing this topic with other providers before posting any comment to DOMAINZ. Accordingly, we have created a list server for discussion. Any person or organisation with a commercial interest in this topic is invited to subscribe by sending a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with NO subject and the word JOIN in the body. A welcome message with instructions on how to participate will then be sent to you. -- regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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mysteriously large ping times...?
by Joe Abley 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi, Could some kind Telstra-, NetGate- and Xtra-connected people possibly do a couple of traceroutes for me, and mail me the results? I'm seeing some unusually high ping times into these networks, and I suspect that return traffic is coming back by a strange and unusual route. If people could trace to 203.97.1.241 and 203.167.224.1 (and include the address they're tracing from) it would be most appreciated. Probably best not to copy the list tho, unless this is of widespread interest for some peculiar reason :) Thanks, Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Contacting people who need to know
by Patrick O'Brien 18 May '99

18 May '99

Peter, > Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I am not sure where this has been stated, but I have *not* stated this. Certainly I cannot supply you Peter with a list of organisations as you seek below -- there are issues of Privacy. > Is DOMAINZ willing to provide us with a list of:- > > * E-mail addresses that regularly submit applications to > 4e-mail.channel(a)domainz.net.nz or registry(a)domainz.waikato.ac.nz > * Host names of computers (other than www.domainz.net.nz) that > regularly access the scripts on domainz.waikato.ac.nz Initial details have been sent to isocnz list, nz nog, and nz.general. I never said that this was the only place it would go. We *are* working on how we do our best to contact as many users of the service that will be affected, as you would expect a service driven organisation to do. However, I did make a committment to get the things "out of the box" for discussion, particularly to the NZNOG by yesterday, Tuesday. I met this committment. I have no issues with the ideas being discussed on one, two or many lists. My problem is that I do not have time to monitor a myriad of lists. It *is* important though that we hear the outcomes of any discussion by next week. This *does* require a formal channel for information to get posted back to Domainz, which is why I've provided a separate e-mail address. I've also asked for some specific information from each Registrar. Again, I do not think that they ought be publishing that kind of sensitive information to a public list. Thus they can use the formal channel provided. For your information I've posted to the NZNOG list and ISOCNZ lists too. Apologies in advance for the cross-posting. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 6:35 PM To: registry-discuss(a)2day.com Subject: Re: Contacting people who need to know Welcome to people who have joined the list over the last 24 hours. I think it would be great if folk could take some time reading the DOMAINZ documents and considering how the changes will effect their business. Whilst you are doing this, others are joining the list. My original post was to ISOCNZ's list and the NZNOG list. I had hoped DOMAINZ would see its way clear to helping us get people who dont follow either list but it appears Patrick prefers to have a one to one relationship with each of us. I have now e-mailed the soa email address for each ISP listed in the back of Netguide magazine. Does anybody have any other ideas on how we can get as many people as possible who may be effected by the registry changes participating here? I am very concerned about those folk who have written scripts to talk to domainz.waikato.ac.nz in the absence of a WHOIS server. NSI made a major snafu when they changed the internic WHOIS without consultation. It made more than a few ISP's and WPP's look bloody silly. Remember if our services are effected by something DOMAINZ does, its us that looks bad, not the registry. I'm not suggesting that anything DOMAINZ is proposing is silly or unreasonable. I am saying people need to be informed so they can plan for the changes. I remain puzzled as to why DOMAINZ would think it OK to advise changes only on its own web site and a few special interest lists. I intend to pick up on the things I think are significant about the changes in about 48 hours time. In the meantime, could I ask that everybody post a short intro message stating who they are / who they represent so others have an idea who is participating. Thanks! regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- ------------------------------------------------------- The registry-discuss list is provided free of charge by 2Day Internet Limited. To unsubscribe send a message to:- registry-discuss-request(a)2day.com with no subject and the word LEAVE in the body. Report problems to postmaster(a)2day.com -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 23 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 17 May '99

17 May '99

Members of the NOG, The Domainz website was updated today, with proposals as promised for changes to the the .nz Register. http://www.domainz.net.nz/ Full details can be accessed from the home page, and should be of interest to all Regsitrars. We look forwards to receiving your feedback by Tuesday May 25 by email to, 4changefeedback(a)domainz.net.nz My regards, PATRICK J O'BRIEN Fax: (04) 473-4569 Voice: (04) 473-4567 Mail: P.O.BRIEN(a)DOMAINZ.NET.NZ Web: http://www.DOMAINZ.NET.NZ --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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unixy mirrors
by Joe Abley 16 May '99

16 May '99

Hi all, We have set up a couple of mirrors on ftp.clear.net.nz: ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/debian ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/redhat ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/tsx-11 ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/gnu ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/zebra ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/rfc ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/fyi ftp://ftp.clear.net.nz/pub/internet-drafts Most of them are are fully-populated, although some are still filling. Comments and requests welcome. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 13 May '99

13 May '99

Joe, I'm pleased that you see this as the right forum and agree that this is a genuine "operational" issue -- hence my posting. > One issue that has been raised before ...a coherent, machine-readable > interface ... similar to the whois We've just run thru an RFI process, as well as sent the consultant to talk with major Registrars, and some smaller ones too. Interestingly enough, only a couple mentioned the need for a "who is" (Andy Linton was one -- better say that before he reminds me). Most saw a need to get access to specific domain name details around the clock. As I undersatnd it, the web interface provides that capability. We were not able to ascertain what additional information requirement there was, and how a "whois" type service provided that additional information. For instance, here is an "eclectic" we use (apologies, but we are not Unix oriented by any means), http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=domainz.net http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=nominet.org.uk http://www.mjhb.mdr.ca.us/cgi-bin/dnw.pl?domain=ina.com.au The information is broadly comparable with that provided from the .nz Register, http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER?domain_name=clear.net.nz What precisely is it that the Domainz services do not provide that you feel ought to be provided? Is it the content, is it the form in which it is provided? It makes sense to let us know now as we are redeveloping those systems. If there are key aspects of functionality that we do not provide, then we do need to consider how we go about doing that as part of our current exercise. > What are the chances of getting something like this rolled in to > your next set of changes? On the current proposals signalled for next week, little I suspect. These are targetted at specific address content changes and (hopefully) removal of the duality of name holder/billing addresses. (Strong note that this does *not* mean any change to the name holder's ability to appoint a billing agent and be billed indirectly) > Since you're giving as all months of notice... Did I say that ?-) > there will be plenty of time ... to get a whois server organised, right? :) As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. Notwithstanding, I guess you've got to put together the case as to where the deficiency lies, and the benefits in plugging the percieved gap, soon as you can. Good to hear from you, and looking forward to further input... My reagrds, PAtrick Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:28:45 +1200 From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 08:00:24PM +1200, Peter Mott wrote: > >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" > >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be > forthcoming. > > Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. > Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to _subscribe_ to > in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. This sounds very much like an operational issue involving NZ Network Operators, regardless of the fact that it does not directly involve beer. If we're raising hands, then I would very much like to discuss the interface between registrars and Domainz -- and a "heads up" message to this list does far more for me than a bulletin posted somewhere on the www.domainz.net.nz. One issue that has been raised before, and I would like to raise again: it would be good to see a coherent, machine-readable interface to the domain operator's registry, similar to the whois service at whois.internic.net (but not nearly as broken or hard to parse) or perhaps whois.nic.uk. RIPE-181 is a convenient "standard" format. There is a valid operational need to be able to contact the administrative or technical contact for any zone. Concerns about people walking the DNS and pulling down spam-fodder from the server are valid, but IMHO this is no show-stopper, since (a) it's possible with the existing http interface anyway (b) it's not that hard to limit successive queries from the same client What are the chances of getting something like this rolled in to your next set of changes? Since you're giving as all months of notice to re-code our Domainz interfaces, there will be plenty of idle time for Domainz to get a whois server organised, right? :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Bob Baal 12 May '99

12 May '99

At 22:19 12/05/99 +1200, Joe Abley wrote: >Hi Patrick, > >On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 10:28:54AM +1200, Patrick O'Brien wrote: >> >> I'm pleased that you see this as the right forum and agree that this is a >> genuine "operational" issue -- hence my posting. >> > >If your consultant came and talked to CLEAR, then his questions didn't >filter through to the code monkeys. Maybe we're not a "major Registrar"? >Don't know. > Joe their consultant did talk to us, he spoke to me and Muru. We gave him lots of thoughts about how to progress this but we did not specify a particular way of doing it just suggested that the function should be provided. We gave him enough detail that it took him about 10mins to write it up after the meeting. I did talk to some of the code monkeys before I talked to the consultant and we used the out line document that Julian wrote before his demise, thought I can't remember if I spoke to you about this banana. >Spot on. A consistent interface is what is missing. More importantly an interface that is manipulated by a program not a human. > >That all sounds highly commercial :) If it would help, I am happy for you >to pay me for my 200 lines of shell script :) > > > 1. Benefits > > 1.1. it makes it easier for automated queries, where the results are > inserted into other systems Yes Yes Yes > > >I am hazy on the whole process by which ISPs' requirements for their >interface to the registry are actioned and implemented by Domainz. What >is the procedure? > Its ad hoc. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bob Baal CLEAR Net Email: rbaal(a)clear.net.nz =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 10 May '99

10 May '99

Peter, Thank you. I take your posting to mean that you do not wish to share your "wish list" of improvements with the nznog? > There are quite a few things that could be improved. Sorry that I interpreted your response to infer that you wished to have a forum to air/discuss those views publicly. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 5:20 PM To: Patrick O'Brien Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements >please? When you employ an ISP account manager, offer a reseller agreement written in plain English, and allocate an engineer to discuss the interface with. Until then, I wont be taking anything you say seriously, or spending a cent of my time on it. There is way to much history of all talk and no action. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- -----Original Message----- From: Patrick O'Brien [SMTP:p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:56 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Peter, Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements please? My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:16 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 10 May '99

10 May '99

>Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements >please? When you employ an ISP account manager, offer a reseller agreement written in plain English, and allocate an engineer to discuss the interface with. Until then, I wont be taking anything you say seriously, or spending a cent of my time on it. There is way to much history of all talk and no action. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 10 May '99

10 May '99

Peter, Can you share with us those things that you would like to see as improvements please? My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 4:16 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 10 May '99

10 May '99

>As I set out above, if there is a deficiency in the registration services >offered right now and a compelling reason why that gap should be plugged, then >we will certainly consider that as part of the current RFI/RFP process. There are quite a few things that could be improved. When your consultant called, we told him about a few of them, but his brief and field of expertise did not extend to technical levels. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Summit/International Updates
by Sue Leader 10 May '99

10 May '99

Greetings all The collation of results from the Summit held on April 30 is underway. Notice will be sent out as soon as it is completed and ready for your feedback. In the meantime there are all sorts of interesting developments on the International scene and we have a page devoted to those up now which will be updated regularly. If you hear of anything you think should be on the page please email me. You can go via the original Summit page at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html or direct to: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/backgrounders.html Cheers Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

Received: from verdi (unverified [202.37.240.23]) by mail.2day.net.nz (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.0) with SMTP id <B0000941112(a)mail.2day.net.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:53:01 +1200 Message-ID: <01e601be9aba$1dde3910$17f025ca(a)verdi.2day.net.nz> From: "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.net.nz> To: "Patrick O'Brien" <p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz>, <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to _subscribe_ to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

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by None 10 May '99

10 May '99

TAA08188 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:56:58 +1200 Received: from verdi (unverified [202.37.240.23]) by mail.2day.net.nz (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.0) with SMTP id <B0000941112(a)mail.2day.net.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:53:01 +1200 Message-ID: <01e601be9aba$1dde3910$17f025ca(a)verdi.2day.net.nz> From: "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.net.nz> To: "Patrick O'Brien" <p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz>, <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz= > Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to subscribe to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- =20 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, Yes, this is something that we are currently looking at. Separate to the changes we've just been talking about, Domainz is also working on a re-vamp of its web site (no I cannot say when this will get out of the box yet). Within that framework, we *definately* are looking at the use of a number of "Fora". One of them is specifically intended for Registrars -- ISP's if you will. We have chosen a "forum" approach to enable not just announcements, but to provide a more engaging discussion medium (we hope). What do they say about great minds, my regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 7:53 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to subscribe to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, The purpose of the Registrar workshops was not to get down into the minutiae of individual fields nor the timing of changes to templates. We used them to cover some concepts related to the changes. Following the workshops, we deliberately chose not to put details on the Domainz site as to exactly what those changes would be. Rather, in late Feb. we announced that changes were "afoot" and asked folks to keep an eye out (I think you e-mailed us some comment at the time). The purpose of the message today is to alert Registrars that the changes signalled are close to being announced. When I have all the details to hand, then I will publish them, and I've committed to do that by Tuesday next week. The process for signalling change to the template is shown at, http://www.domainz.net.nz/registration/channel.html We notify change by way of the Domainz Newz page, and give time for Registrars to change their systems. To my knowledge, there have been no substantive changes to the template since around May 1997 -- 2 years ago now. Given the scale of these changes (it is more than just a change of the form ID), the time allotted when changes will "kick-in" will be more than 2 weeks. The type of change means considerable change to data held in the .nz Register, and can only be accomplished in a number of steps. Again, details will be published next week, and I do welcome all feedback. Yes, I will positively encourage feedback, the changes are not totally "frozen", there may be some opportunity to finesses and improve their implementation. Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 4:59 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, >and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. I can see nothing on the DOMAINZ site that is a proposal to change the e-mail template. I have spoken to several people who attended your workshops. They have specifically advised no proposal to change the e-mail template was presented. >Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than >just floating ideas for comment. I interpret above to mean you will be publishing the changes without opportunity to have them changed as a result of industry feedback. How many days will there be between the date you publish the changes to when ISP's must have made changes to their systems to use new e-mail template? I need to know this in order to allocate development resource. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 09 May '99

09 May '99

>These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, >and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. I can see nothing on the DOMAINZ site that is a proposal to change the e-mail template. I have spoken to several people who attended your workshops. They have specifically advised no proposal to change the e-mail template was presented. >Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than >just floating ideas for comment. I interpret above to mean you will be publishing the changes without opportunity to have them changed as a result of industry feedback. How many days will there be between the date you publish the changes to when ISP's must have made changes to their systems to use new e-mail template? I need to know this in order to allocate development resource. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than just floating ideas for comment. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 3:29 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information >required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. > >The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we >intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. Are these changes a proposal for comment by ISP's or have decisions already been made? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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