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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

Received: from verdi (unverified [202.37.240.23]) by mail.2day.net.nz (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.0) with SMTP id <B0000941112(a)mail.2day.net.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:53:01 +1200 Message-ID: <01e601be9aba$1dde3910$17f025ca(a)verdi.2day.net.nz> From: "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.net.nz> To: "Patrick O'Brien" <p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz>, <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to _subscribe_ to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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by Donald Neal 10 May '99

10 May '99

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by None 10 May '99

10 May '99

TAA08188 for <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:56:58 +1200 Received: from verdi (unverified [202.37.240.23]) by mail.2day.net.nz (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.0) with SMTP id <B0000941112(a)mail.2day.net.nz>; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:53:01 +1200 Message-ID: <01e601be9aba$1dde3910$17f025ca(a)verdi.2day.net.nz> From: "2Day Chief Enthusiast" <peter(a)2day.net.nz> To: "Patrick O'Brien" <p.o.brien(a)domainz.net.nz>, <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz= > Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to subscribe to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- =20 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, Yes, this is something that we are currently looking at. Separate to the changes we've just been talking about, Domainz is also working on a re-vamp of its web site (no I cannot say when this will get out of the box yet). Within that framework, we *definately* are looking at the use of a number of "Fora". One of them is specifically intended for Registrars -- ISP's if you will. We have chosen a "forum" approach to enable not just announcements, but to provide a more engaging discussion medium (we hope). What do they say about great minds, my regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 7:53 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" >around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. Since this topic does not relate to IP or beer it is probably off topic. Domainz may like to consider establishing a list for ISP's to subscribe to in order to be informed of and discuss the changes you are making. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, The purpose of the Registrar workshops was not to get down into the minutiae of individual fields nor the timing of changes to templates. We used them to cover some concepts related to the changes. Following the workshops, we deliberately chose not to put details on the Domainz site as to exactly what those changes would be. Rather, in late Feb. we announced that changes were "afoot" and asked folks to keep an eye out (I think you e-mailed us some comment at the time). The purpose of the message today is to alert Registrars that the changes signalled are close to being announced. When I have all the details to hand, then I will publish them, and I've committed to do that by Tuesday next week. The process for signalling change to the template is shown at, http://www.domainz.net.nz/registration/channel.html We notify change by way of the Domainz Newz page, and give time for Registrars to change their systems. To my knowledge, there have been no substantive changes to the template since around May 1997 -- 2 years ago now. Given the scale of these changes (it is more than just a change of the form ID), the time allotted when changes will "kick-in" will be more than 2 weeks. The type of change means considerable change to data held in the .nz Register, and can only be accomplished in a number of steps. Again, details will be published next week, and I do welcome all feedback. Yes, I will positively encourage feedback, the changes are not totally "frozen", there may be some opportunity to finesses and improve their implementation. Certainly I see the NZNOG as a very important forum to "kick the changes" around, and I will welcome any construcive comments that may be forthcoming. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 4:59 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, >and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. I can see nothing on the DOMAINZ site that is a proposal to change the e-mail template. I have spoken to several people who attended your workshops. They have specifically advised no proposal to change the e-mail template was presented. >Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than >just floating ideas for comment. I interpret above to mean you will be publishing the changes without opportunity to have them changed as a result of industry feedback. How many days will there be between the date you publish the changes to when ISP's must have made changes to their systems to use new e-mail template? I need to know this in order to allocate development resource. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 09 May '99

09 May '99

>These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, >and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. I can see nothing on the DOMAINZ site that is a proposal to change the e-mail template. I have spoken to several people who attended your workshops. They have specifically advised no proposal to change the e-mail template was presented. >Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than >just floating ideas for comment. I interpret above to mean you will be publishing the changes without opportunity to have them changed as a result of industry feedback. How many days will there be between the date you publish the changes to when ISP's must have made changes to their systems to use new e-mail template? I need to know this in order to allocate development resource. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Peter, These are changes that were signalled during the recent Registrar workshops, and I understand we have referenced them on the DOmainz site too. Whilst they are not finally "frozen", they are much more solidly formed than just floating ideas for comment. My regards, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: 2Day Chief Enthusiast [SMTP:peter(a)2day.net.nz] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 3:29 PM To: Patrick O'Brien; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999 >This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information >required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. > >The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we >intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. Are these changes a proposal for comment by ISP's or have decisions already been made? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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The New Zealand Network Operators' Group
by Donald Neal 09 May '99

09 May '99

The New Zealand Network Operators' Group The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has neither a king, a president nor a formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join. (At last count the list had 79 subscribers, with the count growing slightly each month.) The NZNOG mailing list is provided through a server at The University of Waikato, and is administered by an employee of Telecom NZ Ltd. Neither of these organisations (nor the administrator) is responsible for its content. NZNOG Mailing List Acceptable Use Policy The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. In order to continue to provide a useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, users of the list are asked to respect the following guidelines. 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues. 2. Discussion related to meetings of network service providers is appropriate. 3. Discussion unrelated to these topics is not appropriate. 4. Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. 5. Postings that include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are unacceptable. 6. Blatant product or service marketing is unacceptable. 7. Postings of a political, philosophical or legal nature are discouraged. 8. Postings to the list should be in ASCII or MIME encoded as text/plain. Attachments should not be sent to the list. To present a document,. a suitable URL may be referred to. For documents of general interest, the use of proprietary file formats is discouraged. 9. Breaches of list etiquette should be dealt with privately with the offending list user, and should not result in complaints being sent to the list. Mailing List Archives A full archive is available at http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/nznog/ To search the archive, see http://list.waikato.ac.nz/archives/search.html (and remember to select nznog). Subscribing to the List To subscribe to the NZNOG list, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz, where the body of the message reads subscribe nznog There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list. Digest Mailing List If you don't wish to receive postings as they are sent, you can instead subscribe to the nznog-digest mailiing list, on which all postings are sent out in a single "digest" every couple of days. Other Activities NZNOG does not at present have other regular activities than this mailing list, though some Auckland subscribers have been known to meet over beer. Donald Neal NZNOG Mailing List Owner/Administrator/Muggins --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 09 May '99

09 May '99

>This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information >required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. > >The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we >intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. Are these changes a proposal for comment by ISP's or have decisions already been made? regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Domainz Website Update - Week Ending 16 May 1999
by Patrick O'Brien 09 May '99

09 May '99

Dear list members, For your information, we've just posted an update to the Domainz site. You should note that we are about to make some changes to the DOMAIN NAME RECORD (what we colloquially call the "30 fields") This will result in changes to the e-mail template, changes to the information required, changes to the validation rules, changes to the web form layout. The reason for posting is to alert you to those chagnes, and signal that we intend to have the changes drafted and published on-site by next Tuesday. My regards, Patrick ************************ The Domainz News pages have now been updated, and can be found at http://www.domainz.net.nz/newsstand/news.html Key areas of interst are 1. Changes to Domain Record ("30 fields") 2. WIPO RFC 4 3. Statistics: Over 32,000 domains registered. My Regards, Maria Arnott Customer Service Voice: 04 473 4567 Fax: 04 473 4569 email: m.arnott(a)domainz.net.nz web: http://www.domainz.net.nz _______________________________________________ List server provided by 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz To remove your address from this list please send a message to board-request(a)domainz.net.nz with LEAVE BOARD in the body. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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[paul@vix.com: F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is no longer open for AXFR of COM, NET, or ORG]
by Joe Abley 03 May '99

03 May '99

Just in case anybody cares :) ----- Forwarded message from Paul A Vixie <paul(a)vix.com> ----- Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:12:05 -0700 From: Paul A Vixie <paul(a)vix.com> Subject: F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is no longer open for AXFR of COM, NET, or ORG Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu X-Loop: nanog ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: nobody Subject: F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET is no longer open for AXFR of COM, NET, or ORG Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:12:05 -0700 From: Paul A Vixie <vixie(a)bb.rc.vix.com> (sent to the NANOG, IETF, and NAMEDROPPERS lists to catch everybody who cares.) Today we (Internet Software Consortium, Inc) received a verified request from the US-DOC asking that we disable public zone transfers for the COM, NET and ORG zones from now until July 23. This is part of a controlled experiment designed to uncover the actual uses and users of this information. ISC recognizes US-DOC as one of the parties authorized to make such a request, and so we have complied with it as of Mon May 3 14:57:39 1999 (Pacific). All users who have been fetching the COM, NET, or ORG zones from F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET should during this interrim period contact Network Solutions for access. Unless instructed otherwise by US-DOC, IANA, or ICANN, we plan to restore public access to the COM, NET, and ORG zones from F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET during the morning of July 23, 1999. (signed) Paul Vixie (Chairman) Internet Software Consortium ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy ----- End forwarded message ----- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NZ Promiscuous Relay Survey (re-test)
by Joe Abley 01 May '99

01 May '99

Hi, Last night I re-ran my promiscuous relay tests on the exact same list of NZ mail relays as I tested last time, in order to see whether there was any improvement. The results, in the same meagre format as before, are: Out of 3791 MX hosts that I tried to use as a relay: January April 269 (7%) 319 (8%) accepted our message, but later bounced it 1208 (32%) 768 (20%) relayed our message Of the messages that were relayed: 929 (76%) 573 (74%) were from hosts named under co.nz 33 (2%) 15 (1%) were from hosts named under net.nz 72 (5%) 52 (6%) were from hosts named under govt.nz 15 (1%) 14 (1%) were from hosts named under ac.nz 22 (1%) 18 (2%) were from hosts named under school.nz 0 (0%) 0 (0%) were from hosts named under iwi.nz 8 (0%) 6 (0%) were from hosts named under gen.nz 38 (3%) 21 (2%) were from hosts named under org.nz 1 (0%) 0 (0%) were from hosts named under mil.nz So! This looks like an improvement. Note that this re-test doesn't cover _all_ existing MX hosts in NZ; just those that were found in January using the methodology previously outlined. I will be running another test shortly which will walk the DNS once again to get a current list of MX hosts, and re-test to find the actual picture right now. Details are at http://www.patho.gen.nz/~jabley/survey.html Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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202.50.82.192
by Chris Wedgwood 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

Can anyone tell me if there is there anything special about 202.50.82.192/32? Right now, it looks like just a random (unused) address in the TELECOMIS-NZ network? -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Internet Summit Audiocast News
by Sue Leader 27 Apr '99

27 Apr '99

Greetings - a note to let you know that, thanks to the initiative of Don Guthrie of Netlink (who are providing the audiocast from the Summit), RealNetworks Australia/New Zealand have generously agreed to provide a complimentary commercial licence for the day which means that the 25-line limit no longer applies. Cheers Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) ALERT: National Summit on Internet Governance Changes - April 30 - Auckland http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ALERT: WIPO Announcement & Summit Update
by Sue Leader 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

Greetings all - there have been some interesting developments in the ICANN scenario with WIPO now delaying their report until April 30 - the day of our National Summit (bound to be a coincidence, I'm sure!). The announcement is at: http://wipo2.wipo.int/process/eng/processhome.html The Summit is fast approaching and I encourage you to go to the Summit main page to check the updates at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Or you can go straight to the Final Agenda at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summitagd.html We are delighted that Ernst & Young have joined us as Partners, along with Ihug, to bring this Summit to you. The involvement of these two major players in the Business and in the Internet communities underlines the importance of these issues to the future direction of the Internet in New Zealand. Steven Heath, Senior Manager, Electronic Commerce Service Line, Ernst & Young will act as Chair and Facilitator for the day. You would really assist our planning (e.g., making sure we have enough lunch!) if you would register now. You can go via the main page or straight to the secure server at: https://www.amlink.com.au/secure/isocnzreg.htm For those of you with busy schedules I have included a copy of the Agenda below. See you at the Summit. Cheers Sue +++++++++++++++++++ Summit Agenda SUMMIT AGENDA TIME TOPIC SPEAKER 9:00 Register and Coffee Conference Company 9:30 Welcome to Summit/Review Agenda Independent Chair - Steven Heath Ernst Young & Jim Higgins, Chair, ISOCNZ 9:35 Keynote Speaker Marion Hobbs Labour Spokesperson on Communications & Information Technology 9:55 ICANN Overview - why we are here Chair - Steven Heath, Senior Manager, Electronic Commerce Service Line, Ernst & Young 10:10 Questions Chair 10:15 Legal Implications of WIPO RFC3 Peter Dengate-Thrush Barrister 10:35 Questions Chair 10:40 Coffee 10:55 Implications for Registrars Andy Linton, CEO Netlink Corporate Internet Specialists 11:15 Questions Chair 11:20 Implications for the Registry Patrick O'Brien, CEO NZ Internet Registry Ltd (Domainz) 11:40 Questions Chair 11:45 Lunch 12:30 Implications for NZ Sovereignty Reg Hammond Manager Information Technology Policy Group Ministry of Commerce 12:50 Questions Chair 12:55 Implications for .nz Policy Jim Higgins Chair, ISOCNZ 1:15 Questions Chair 1:20 Break-out into groups: + Intellectual Property & DNS + Policy & DNS + NZ Representation at ICANN + Others as necessary Facilitator and recorder each group 3:00 Coffee 3:15 Break-out report backs Chair 3:45 Where to from here? Establishing a New Zealand Position for the Berlin Meeting Chair 5:00 Close Chair Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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April 30 Summit - Live Audio Cast
by Sue Leader 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

Greetings - Late in the afternoon of Monday April 26 our original contractors for the Audio- cast notified us that they were no longer able to provide the audio-cast in RealAudio. As we were not prepared to change formats to WinzMedia at the last moment, especially as it has no Unix version, we were left in something of a fix. We would therefore like to express our very public and sincere thanks to Don of Netlink "Corporate Internet Specialists" who came to the party in the nick of time this morning, and are providing the audio-cast in RealAudio. There is one limitation as a result - only 25 lines can be in use at one time. If you can't get through the first time, please keep trying. Another idea might be to set up a "group session" such as Bill Parkin of UniForum is doing in Wellington. The venue for Wellington will be advised on the audiocast page (http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summitcast.html) once it is confirmed. Please send your local venue in to me and it will be added to this page. Cheers <nofill> Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) ALERT: National Summit on Internet Governance Changes - April 30 - Auckland http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Removal of Late Summit Registration Fees
by Sue Leader 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

Greetings all - this is a note to let you know that I referred the issue of the late registration fee of $15 which takes effect from tomorrow. As this was my error in failing to note this on the main Summit Agenda page, the Council has decided to waive the fee. Anyone accidently ticking the late fee box will have the late fee deducted before the transaction is processed. Registration fees therefore remain at $20.00 for ISOCNZ members, and $75 for non-members (all GST inc). (Student prices by application). If you are planning to attend, please register before 5pm Thursday so we can ensure that we provide enough food etc for you. Thanks Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) ALERT: National Summit on Internet Governance Changes - April 30 - Auckland http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: whois interface to domainz database
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

>What RFC do you mean? Oops, brain not engaged at this hour - meant to type RIPE >But that's not particularly difficult parsing though. I mean, it's a case >of piping it through > > awk '/^country:/ { print $2; }' Why not make it work without having to do more parsing? Also need to watch out for missing data. >Although if you're talking about the nasty old format sporadically available >via the NSI whois server, I agree :) Sure, and .au is in varying states of broke as well due to need for data cleansing :-) regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: whois interface to domainz database
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

>Well, it's kind of moot in the case of the NZ database, since there is >no discrete country field for me to present anyway :/ Exactly. And my hope of getting some improvements in this area appear to have been shattered with the departure of DOMAINZ's only technical employee at the end of last week. Here's hoping whoever takes over from Waikato can be encouraged to make some basic improvements to the database schema regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: whois interface to domainz database
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

>I have just knocked up a quick-and-dirty whois interface to the domainz >nz-tld registration database, since > > + I live in a command-line world > + the internet was much better before the web > + etc, etc, foam-at-mouth I hope those who use it send you lots of beers in payment for such sterling work :-) >The data is pulled on-demand from the CGI interface at Waikato, and is >presented in a ripe-181-alike format. The whole thing will undoubtedly >fall apart as soon as someone at Waikato lets a web monkey near cgi-bin Dont expect DOMAINZ to tell you before or even after they change it either! The RFC format whilst great for visual inspection at the command line, is not so crash hot for those who prefer their machine to do the reading. The RFC does not specify a standard schema from which each data element can be uniquely identified. One still has to parse the output of whois in order to get a single useful element such as 'country'. I think the person(s) responsible for the RFC must have hated database technology. They made it possible for duplicate column names just to confuse us structured folk. Maybe database technology did not exist way back when ... regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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whois interface to domainz database
by Joe Abley 25 Apr '99

25 Apr '99

Hi, I have just knocked up a quick-and-dirty whois interface to the domainz nz-tld registration database, since + I live in a command-line world + the internet was much better before the web + etc, etc, foam-at-mouth The data is pulled on-demand from the CGI interface at Waikato, and is presented in a ripe-181-alike format. The whole thing will undoubtedly fall apart as soon as someone at Waikato lets a web monkey near cgi-bin. $ whois -h whois.patho.gen.nz patho.gen.nz % This data was harvested from a public CGI interface hosted % at http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER % No responsibility is taken nor warrenty made for the accuracy % of the information presented here. domain: patho.gen.nz admin-c: Joe Abley tech-c: Joe Abley nserver: tardis.patho.gen.nz nserver: ns1.waikato.ac.nz nserver: dns1.clear.net.nz nserver: dns2.clear.net.nz remarks: registration-date 30-Jun-1997 remarks: modification-date 10-Sep-1997 changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz 19990426 source: PATHOGEN person: Joe Abley address: 3/60 Grange Road, Mt Eden address: Auckland, New Zealand phone: +64 9 623 1399 fax-no: by arrangement e-mail: jabley(a)patho.gen.nz changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz 19990426 source: PATHOGEN person: Joe Abley address: 3/60 Grange Road, Mt Eden address: Auckland, New Zealand phone: +64 9 623 1399 fax-no: by arrangement e-mail: jabley(a)patho.gen.nz changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz 19990426 source: PATHOGEN There is no magic in this - just a big lump of awk. Script follows, in case anybody is interested -- fetch is a FreeBSD-ism; other platforms may have more luck with the myriad of ability instilled in modern ftp clients[2]. Note to any housebreakers reading nznog: that address is two years old, and I don't live there any more :) Joe [1] Like this one. I'm surprised it can't send mail. NAME ftp, pftp, gate-ftp - ARPANET file transfer program SYNOPSIS ftp [-a] [-d] [-e] [-g] [-i] [-n] [-U] [-p] [-P port] [-t] [-v] [-V] [host [port]] ftp ftp://[user:password@]host[:port]/file[/] ftp http://host[:port]/file ftp host:[/path/]file[/] ------large-nasty-script-including-unwholesome-lump-of-awk-follows-------- #!/bin/sh # # Call from inetd, using an entry in inetd.conf like this: # # # DOMAINZ whois service # whois stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/local/bin/whois-domainz.sh whois-domainz.sh read domain /usr/bin/fetch -o - "http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER?domain_name=${domain}" 2>/dev/null | /usr/bin/awk ' BEGIN \ { printf "%% This data was harvested from a public CGI interface hosted\n"; printf "%% at http://domainz.waikato.ac.nz/cgi-bin/DNZ-REGISTER\n\n"; printf "%% No responsibility is taken nor warrenty made for the accuracy\n"; printf "%% of the information presented here.\n\n"; } /Domain name:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); domain_name=$0; next; } /Registration:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); registration=$0; next; } /Modification:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); modification=$0; next; } /representative contact name:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_name=$0; next; } /Holder phone:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_phone=$0; next; } /Holder fax:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_fax=$0; next; } /Holder e-mail:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_email=$0; next; } /Holder address part 1:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_address_1=$0; next; } /Holder address part 2:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); holder_address_2=$0; next; } /Technical contact name:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_name=$0; next; } /Technical phone:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_phone=$0; next; } /Technical fax:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_fax=$0; next; } /Technical e-mail:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_email=$0; next; } /Technical address part 1:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_address_1=$0; next; } /Technical address part 2:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); tech_address_2=$0; next; } /Name server  primary:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); ns_name_1=$0; next; } /Name server  secondary:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); ns_name_2=$0; next; } /Name server  third:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); ns_name_3=$0; next; } /Name server  fourth:/ \ { sub(/^.*<\/STRONG>[[:space:]]*/, ""); ns_name_4=$0; next; } END \ { if (domain_name == "") printf"% no useful data returned by query\n"; else { printf "domain: %s\n", domain_name; if (holder_name != "") printf "admin-c: %s\n", holder_name; if (tech_name != "") printf "tech-c: %s\n", tech_name; if (ns_name_1 != "") printf "nserver: %s\n", ns_name_1; if (ns_name_2 != "") printf "nserver: %s\n", ns_name_2; if (ns_name_3 != "") printf "nserver: %s\n", ns_name_3; if (ns_name_4 != "") printf "nserver: %s\n", ns_name_4; if (registration != "") printf "remarks: registration-date %s\n", \ registration; if (modification != "") printf "remarks: modification-date %s\n", \ modification; printf "changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz %s\nsource: PATHOGEN\n\n", \ strftime("%Y%m%d"); if (holder_name != "") { printf "person: %s\n", holder_name; if (holder_address_1 != "") printf "address: %s\n", holder_address_1; if (holder_address_2 != "") printf "address: %s\n", holder_address_2; if (holder_phone != "") printf "phone: %s\n", holder_phone; if (holder_fax != "") printf "fax-no: %s\n", holder_fax; if (holder_email != "") printf "e-mail: %s\n", holder_email; printf "changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz %s\nsource: PATHOGEN\n\n", \ strftime("%Y%m%d"); } if (tech_name != "") { printf "person: %s\n", tech_name; if (tech_address_1 != "") printf "address: %s\n", tech_address_1; if (tech_address_2 != "") printf "address: %s\n", tech_address_2; if (tech_phone != "") printf "phone: %s\n", tech_phone; if (tech_fax != "") printf "fax-no: %s\n", tech_fax; if (tech_email != "") printf "e-mail: %s\n", tech_email; printf "changed: root(a)patho.gen.nz %s\nsource: PATHOGEN\n\n", \ strftime("%Y%m%d"); } } } ' --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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ALERT: April 30 Summit Update
by Sue Leader 20 Apr '99

20 Apr '99

Greetings all - The April 30 Summit on Internet Governance Changes is progressing well, with only one speaker left to confirm. On-line registration is working well on the link for the Summit page, and the latest draft Agenda is available. Background material is being updated as time permits. The cost to ISOCNZ members is only $20 (GST Inc) and $75 to non- members and this basically covers your lunch and refreshments during the day. For people unable to attend we will be audio-casting the day, and the link for that will be off the main Summit page (at the moment it is a inforamtion only page). Please visit http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html and reload the pages regularly so you can see the new information. Looking forward to seeing you at the Summit. Once again - please pass this inforamtion along to anyone who you feel might have an interest in attending. Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NOG meeting, Rydges, Rotorua, Friday 16th April.
by Roger De Salis 18 Apr '99

18 Apr '99

There was a discussion on the list about Joe Abley's beer capacity, and a potential NOG meeting (and lunch) at Rydges Rotorua on Friday 16th. We have no response from the list, so Uniforum extends an invitation to any Network operators to just turn up and we will organise something at the time. Since some of you will not want to drive to Rotorua for the weekend without a show of hands, a show of hands would be useful. Lunch is normally 12ish to 1.45ish. Donald Neil and Myself are presenting early afternoon. This being a civilised country, the bar is pretty much open all the time. Rgds Roger De Salis -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NOG meeting report
by Roger De Salis 18 Apr '99

18 Apr '99

Someone asked for an update on the NOG meeting held at Rydges Hotel, Rotorua, at 5.30pm 16/4/99 in the Atrium Bar. About 8 from Telecom and one from Cisco showed up. The Cisco representative's expense account took a mighty beating, while we all drank to Joe Abley's health. Mike Spain and Gibbo gave an eloquent glimpse of their understanding of SPAM, and 55 ways to generate a Denial of Service attack on that lovely little blonde from marketing. Gibbo then ordered shakers, which appear to be truly evil things, and the Cisco rep foolishly agreed to send all NOG attendees a Cisco Tshirt Each. Josh Bailey's named was mentioned several times, most inconjuntion with how an organisation becomes de-joshed, and how did it get Josh'ed in the first place. At that point the ceiling flew away..... That is about all I remember. Others will no doubt add extensive technical information to this short overview... Rog -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Andy Linton tests hospital services
by Rowan Smith 18 Apr '99

18 Apr '99

Thanks Andy.... Aren't their some censorship laws in place to prevent someone causing me to put my lunch all over the keyboard? Pleased you are well. -Rowan -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)netlink.net.nz> To: 2Day Chief Enthusiast <peter(a)2day.net.nz> Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Andy Linton tests hospital services >2Day Chief Enthusiast wrote: >> >> I just received a message via another list saying Andy is recovering in ward >> 30 Wellington hospital after an emergency appendectomy. > >All the indications are that the prospect of buying Joe the beer I owed >him caused so much stress that my body just gave up. > >The appendix is now out and I am improving daily. I was very >disappointed to find that it was not a regular ASCII Appendix - small, >terse and to the point but it was actually a Microsoft Appendix infected >with a Melissa-like virus - much larger that was necessary at 20cm long, >bloated and full of noxious stuff that was in the process of infecting >surrounding systems when the engineers found it and disconnected it from >the network. > >-- >Mailto:asjl(a)netlink.net.nz >Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand >-- >--------- >To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >where the body of your message reads: >unsubscribe nznog > --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Andy Linton tests hospital services
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 18 Apr '99

18 Apr '99

I just received a message via another list saying Andy is recovering in ward 30 Wellington hospital after an emergency appendectomy. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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NOG meeting, Rydges, Rotorua, Friday 16th April. -Reply
by Donald Neal 13 Apr '99

13 Apr '99

>>> Roger De Salis <rdesalis(a)cisco.com> 14/April/1999 01:56pm >>> [...] >Donald Neil and Myself are presenting early afternoon. >This being a civilised country, the bar is pretty much open >all the time. >Rgds Roger De Salis Roger, Is the bar open because you're presenting or because I am? - Donald Neal -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd </' +64 25 481 452 L3, 117 Customhouse Qy /) +64 4 473 4912 Wellington, New Zealand (/ roger(a)desalis.gen.nz rdesalis(a)cisco.com ` Never underestimate the data transmission capacity (Mb/s) of a station wagon full of the backup tapes. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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April 30 Summit On-line Registration - Live
by Sue Leader 13 Apr '99

13 Apr '99

Greetings The online secure site for Summit registrations is now live. You can follow the link from the Summit page at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html or go direct to: https://www.amlink.com.au/secure/isocnzreg.htm Cheers Sue Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Sky Tower/Sky City colo update
by Joe Abley 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

Hi all, I have had verbal confirmation from John Russell of IHUG and Andy Miller of Xtra that IHUG and Xtra are keen to participate in an exchange at the Sky Tower. Between us, CLEAR, IHUG and Xtra should bring a significant amount of Auckland traffic to the exchange, and make it well worth joining. CLEAR hopes to have packet access to the 48th floor in the tower within the next four weeks, ready to peer with anybody else who cares to join us. The reason for choosing the 48th floor is that it turns out another project within CLEAR had already funded a cabinet there, so it's a handy place for us :) For those who took the tour the other day, the 48th floor is one of the glass-walled floors, ideal for radio shots back to home base without the planning approval that's required for external antennas. If the 48th floor turns out to be wildly inconvenient for anybody else we can always trunk our connection elsewhere. To talk about pricing either dedicated cabinets or space in community cabinets on the 48th floor, Warren Harding's your man: 025 338-392, 09-306-1599x706, warren(a)jda.co.nz. On a related note, I will be talking to Steve Donnohy of Sky City about the ground-level (well, basement) colo facilities in the building, in case it makes sense to do something down there. If anybody else has a desparate itch to attend the discussions, drop me a note (I'm meeting Steve at 9am, Friday 9 April). I will summarise whatever I find out to the list in any case. I am also on the lookout for someone to donate a switch to the exchange (if anybody has any pointers, please let me know). In the mean time, and at least to get things started, CLEAR will have 10baseT switch ports available on the 48th floor. Longer term I suspect someone will want to sell them rather than give them away, but I'm certainly happy to look elsewhere while people string cat5 into the cabinet to get things running :) Most importantly of all, we can't possibly start peering at the Sky Tower unless we have a cool name for the exchange. Sky-IX? MAE-Auckland? Sky-NAP? Mmm. "The Tallest Internet Exchange in the World" :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Sky Tower/Sky City colo update
by Michael Newbery 06 Apr '99

06 Apr '99

Nah. Going back to joe's original Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange, *surely* it should be: APE = Auckland Peering Exchange. The logo is pretty obvious. King Kong climbing the skytower anyone? -- Michael Newbery Technology Manager Saturn Communications Tel: +64-4-939 5102 Mobile:021-642 957 Fax:+64-4-939 5100 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Ascend APAC TAC Job Vacancy
by Dean Pemberton 06 Apr '99

06 Apr '99

There is a vanancy in the Ascend Asia Pacific TAC center. I have attached the job description below. If you think that the following job applies to anyone you know - then forward an electronic CV to me and I'll make sure it gets to the right place. Dean Title: Regional Support Specialist Location: Melbourne, Australia Job Category: Technical Support Job Type: Full Time Ascend Communications is a leading provider of technology and equipment solutions for telecommunications carriers, Internet service providers, and corporate customers worldwide Our expansion in the APAC region means there is now an opportunity for you to join Ascend's Asia Pacific Support Centre as a Regional Support Specialist located in Melbourne, Australia. In your role as a Regional Support Specialist you will contribute to the company's success through support of Ascend products to reflect the unique requirements of this region's markets and customers. To meet the challenges this opportunity presents, you will need at least 5 years direct experience of customer support in the communications industry. You will require knowledge of: Unix Operating systems such as Linux, Solaris, BSD or HP-UX and their use in terms of scripting to automate the process of collecting data for analysis. TCP/IP, PPP and other Internet Protocols, IPX, AppleTalk, Routing Protocols such as RIP, OSPF, BGP and proven LAN/WAN internetworking skills. Switched digital services including ISDN, E1, R2, xDSL, Frame Relay and ATM. X.25/X.75/V.110 is also desirable. Optionally, skills in VOIP and SS7 and will also be to your advantage. You will also need the following skills: Good communication and inter-personal skills. Oral and written fluency in English is mandatory. Additionally, a second language in an Asian dialect will be a distinct advantage. Dynamic and energetic with an ability to take leadership and succeed in identification and resolution of technical issues under pressure. Additionally, there will be some travel to the USA and within the Asia Pacific region. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Pemberton Ph: +61-3-9656-7000 Regional Technical Specialist Asia-Pacific Fx: +61-3-9656-7006 Ascend Communications, Inc Mb: +61-419-117-321 Lvl 38, ANZ Tower, 55 Collins St Melbourne,Australia mailto:deanp(a)ascend.com.au -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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ALERT: National Internet Summit April 30
by Sue Leader 03 Apr '99

03 Apr '99

Greetings - This notice is to alert you to a National Summit on changes to the way the Internet is governed. These changes will affect the way the Internet is allowed to run in New Zealand as well as the rest of the world. New Zealand has not had a chance to consult on these issues and they will impact our economy, the way we do business on the Internet, and the future development of Ecommerce and the Knowledge Economy. Your attendance at the Summit is therefore vital to ensure that we have a say in the future of the Internet in our country. BACKGROUND As you may have become aware, there are significant changes in process in the way the Internet is managed around the world. The formation of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is a key to the process. Although the Interim ICANN Board is still at the stage of setting up representative membership structures, it moved at the March 4 1999 meeting in Singapore into implementing Policy before the structures for making that Policy are in place. This means that the future of the Internet is being determined by a small group of interim appointees, not by the widely based representative membership structures as mandated. The ICANN Board next meets in Berlin on May 25 and looks set to adopt reccommedations on a variety of issues including compulsory Trade Mark arbitration processes and Registrar Accreditation guidelines. New Zealand needs to have at least begun the process of establishing a national position before that date. The proposed policies impact upon our national sovereignty, legal system, business certainty, privacy issues, and economy. Full background material is on our web-site at: http://www.isocnz.org.nz/summit99.html Please read the material thoroughly and pass this invitation to anyone you think fit. We encourage you to forward this notice to any other lists which you feel are relevant. We are aiming for representation at the Summit from as wide a cross-section of the New Zealand community as possible: Internet Industry, Business, Internet Users, Government, Academia, NGO's etc. NATIONAL INTERNET SUMMIT - APRIL 30th - AUCKLAND Venue to be confirmed. Thank you for giving your time to what may be the single biggest issue which the Internet in New Zealand has faced. Cordially Sue Leader - Executive Director ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc) Exe.Dir(a)isocnz.org.nz Voice: +64-4-801-6256 http://www.isocnz.org.nz Postal: Level 1, (e)-Vision Centre, 282 Wakefield St, Wellington --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Sky Tower
by Robert Gray 01 Apr '99

01 Apr '99

> + The tower is very, very tall, and you can see a long, long way from the > top of it (including down) This alone makes it worthwhile except I am afraid of heights :( Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Sky Tower
by Joe Abley 31 Mar '99

31 Mar '99

Hi all, Some random observations following our field trip this afternoon. + The ground-level machine rooms are operated by Sky City, and not Sky Tower -- hence we didn't get to see them. I will try to get access/ power/environmental details once I have a contact at the casino. + CLEAR, Telstra and Telecom all own fibre up the tower; the Sky Tower people do not provide any fibre access (they just provide ducts). + There are three main types of colo floor on the tower: o enclosed in metal, with access to external antennas (e.g. the Sky Tower FM antennae or customer-mounted DMR dishes) o enclosed in glass, behind which it is evidently practical to hang KU-band, cellular and DMR antennae o open to the elements, with weatherproof antennae and mounting hardware + on the enclosed decks, full 2.7m cabinets are available, as well as shared "community" cabinets (which are cheaper) + The tower colo decks are fed by two independent 10kW AC feeds from the base, where each is backed up by three generators. No DC power is available. There is a potential 15 second delay between an external power feed failing and the generators cutting in, so usual practice is to feed a UPS from both power busses, and to take AC or DC feeds off that to power equipment. + All floors are ventillated (especially the ones that are open to the elements :) + Access to the tower decks is supervised, and is available 24/7 + The comms decks seem surprisingly empty (although we only looked in three or four of them) + The tower is very, very tall, and you can see a long, long way from the top of it (including down) Prices for colo in the tower seem to vary according to what the application is, rather than how much space you take up -- it's all very "supply and demand". Clearly colo in the tower does not necessarily make sense if we're connecting routers together and using fibre back-haul; however, if some people are serious about doing radio shots back to base we could arrange a pair of 100baseT switches (one up the tower, one in the basement) joined with independently-routed 100baseFX uplinks, so that people only have to buy colo space in one place or the other. I think it would be a good idea to have a get-together to talk about all this, prior to Uniforum -- say at Galbraith's some time late next week? How does Thursday evening at 7pm sound to anybody else? If we can get a few people to agree to move on this, I think there is every chance on getting this up and running in the next couple of months. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Tour of Sky Tower colo facilities
by Joe Abley 31 Mar '99

31 Mar '99

Hi all, Warren's tour will take an hour, and we can't have more than five people on each tour. Warren is happy to do two tours, though. I have split the respondants into two groups, based on who replied to me first: 1pm: Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> Bob Baal <rbaal(a)clear.co.nz> Jamie Clark <jclark(a)clear.co.nz> Barry Brown <bbrown(a)clear.co.nz> Tony Wicks <tonyw(a)iconz.co.nz> 2pm: Craig Anderson <craig(a)iprolink.co.nz> Peter Mott <peter(a)2day.net.nz> Nevil Brownlee <n.brownlee(a)auckland.ac.nz> Chris Wedgwood <cw(a)ix.net.nz> If you need to change slots, please try and e-mail someone in the other list directly and organise a swap. Again, meeting point is in the Atrium by the front door to the casino. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Tour of Sky Tower Colocation Facility
by Joe Abley 30 Mar '99

30 Mar '99

Hi all, Warren Harding of JDA has kindly offered to conduct a brief tour of the colocation facility at the Sky Tower tomorrow afternoon at 1pm. A quick look round the communications deck up the tower may be possible (and may not be, depending on what work is going on up there at the time). [the main colo space is at ground level; for ISPs who would want to make use of wireless comms back to their base there is apparently plenty of fibre available up the tower to the comms deck] Each tour needs to be five people or less, due to the safety and security policies in place -- if there are more than five people interested, we will need to do the tour in shifts. If you are interested in this, could you let me know ASAP so I can give Warren some idea of numbers? Meeting point: in the atrium, through the front door to the casino; Time: 1pm, Thursday April 1. I will post details of the access/security/power arrangements in place tomorrow, for the benefit of those who can't come and look for themselves. Thanks, Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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UniForum NZ '99 invitation
by Ray Brownrigg 29 Mar '99

29 Mar '99

UniForum NZ would be delighted to host an informal lunch time meeting of the NZ Network Operators Group on Friday 16 April from 12:00 midday, to permit open discussion of current network issues in a neutral forum. Further, there is the opportunity to use a small conference room (easily seating 30) at around that time (either immediately before or after lunch). I will reserve a room tentatively from 10:30am to 1:30pm, but if you would like these times extended, please contact me. Lunch will be provided free for those who are attending the NOG meeting, sponsored by ISOCNZ and UniForum NZ. Alternately for those NOG members wishing to make a full day of it, special one-day conference registrations are available. These cost $150 including GST, and include attendance at all the Friday (ISOCNZ Day) conference sessions, Morning and Afternoon Tea, and all the conference documentation. In addition, for those wishing to stay on, tickets are available for the Conference Dinner, including Champagne hour and after-dinner entertainment, for $90 including GST. Further information on the UniForum NZ '99 programme is available from the UniForum NZ web site at www.uniforum.org.nz, or via autoresponder from conference-info(a)uniforum.org.nz. Ray Brownrigg UniForum NZ '99 Conference Convenor --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by Donald Neal 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>>> Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> 29/March/1999 10:18am >>> [...] >> Would this be a good topic for a NOG meeting at Rotorua? >Yes, I would have thought so. Although I am slightly scared of attending >now, given the likely amount of beer that will be apparently forced >down my throat within minutes of entering the bar :) What you need, Joe, is an "open beer relay", which automatically forwards unwanted beer to other beer consumption nodes within reach as defined by some reasonable nearness algorithm. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

Roger De Salis wrote >I have asked the conference organisers to post an informal invitiation >to the list >to hopefully attract all of the nog readers to an informal meeting. > >There is also a great deal going on with WIPO/ICANN, and the hacking >debate within NZ will not go away. I would like to raise both >the issues in an informal meeting. If NOG are going to meet to discuss a peering exchange, it should stick to just that, not venture into other things. Unless of course beer is provided, then it wont matter. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply -Reply
by Donald Neal 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>>> "Tony Wicks" <tonyw(a)iconz.co.nz> 29/March/1999 04:21pm >>> Where do I find the details ( dates etc ) of this Uniforum Meeting ? See http://www.uniforum.org.nz/1999/conf99.html for Uniforum NZ conference information, and http://www.uniforum.org.nz/1999/programme-timetable.html for the timetable. The obvious place to put an NZNOG BOF in the existing timetable would be between 17:30 and 19:30 or so on Friday 16th, but it may well be necessary to start earlier to fit in any serious discussion of an exchange point. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 04:21:00PM +1200, Tony Wicks wrote: >> Where do I find the details ( dates etc ) of this Uniforum Meeting ? > >www.uniform.org.nz Too many beers in the last message header! I doubt you will see many people in unifrom :-) Try http://www.uniforum.org.nz regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply
by Warwick Glendenning 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

no really for Joe it is B(eer)GP that its the best routing protocol to use it is better than OWMF (open widest mouth first) -----Original Message----- From: Donald Neal [mailto:Donald.Neal(a)telecom.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 29 March 1999 10:52 To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange -Reply >>> Joe Abley <jabley(a)clear.co.nz> 29/March/1999 10:18am >>> [...] >> Would this be a good topic for a NOG meeting at Rotorua? >Yes, I would have thought so. Although I am slightly scared of attending >now, given the likely amount of beer that will be apparently forced >down my throat within minutes of entering the bar :) What you need, Joe, is an "open beer relay", which automatically forwards unwanted beer to other beer consumption nodes within reach as defined by some reasonable nearness algorithm. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 28 Mar '99

28 Mar '99

>I believe the main stumbling block was that it was not a neutral >exchange. We certainly are very interested in connecting to and >helping to support a neutral exchange in Auckland. Sounds reasonable. How about each provider draws up a list of expectations / requirements and post them to this list? That way we can see what things everybody thinks important, and thus determine what we *must* get right for everybody to get onboard. regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Uniforum NZ '99 - Who Goes?
by Donald Neal 27 Mar '99

27 Mar '99

NZNOG People, Roughly how many of you are planning to be at Uniforum NZ next month? Yes, I'm going. I await with interest Roger de Salis' attempt to sell me a VoIP network. But I'm also interested in knowing whether I should be trying to drag along one or more of the IPNet operational staff, and yes, whether organising a BOF of any kind would be worthwhile. - Donald Neal --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by craig＠laptop.iprolink.co.nz 27 Mar '99

27 Mar '99

Hi. > We recently abandoned this arrangement due to lack of interest from > everyone else, this was very disappointing. I believe the main stumbling block was that it was not a neutral exchange. We certainly are very interested in connecting to and helping to support a neutral exchange in Auckland. -Craig -- Craig Anderson Internet ProLink NZ Limited --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Re: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by 2Day Chief Enthusiast 26 Mar '99

26 Mar '99

>Brendan Black - Network Engineer/Gravity Enforcement Officer, Telecom Internet >Services What does a Gravity Enforcement Officer do in a Telco ? >I know we are mentioned in Joe's list, and I can confirm that we are interested 2DAY is also interested regards Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2Day Internet Limited http://www.2day.net.nz -/- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Uniforum NZ '99 - Who Goes?
by Robert Gray 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

> Does anyone on the list not owe Joe a beer? :) I believe I may have that honour Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by Joe Abley 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Hi, Much has been bandied around in conversation over the past few months regarding the possibility of establishing a neutral peering point in Auckland. Some points/ideas which have been discussed are: + Location - a recurring idea seems to be the Sky Tower, which is well served by CLEAR and Telecom fibre, and is a good high point for exchange participants who want to haul bits back to their Auckland PoP using unlicenced spread-spectrum radio/DMR. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has approached Sky City about this (yet); + Infrastructure - experiences elsewhere show that a L2 exchange is preferable over a L3 one -- i.e. the exchange infrastructure should be no more than a (switched) layer-2 fabric over which exchange participants can negotiate their own IP-layer arrangements; + Legal/financial - Craig Holmes of Telstra has experience in building (legal) frameworks for international under-sea cable landing, and has confidence that something similar can be set up for internet peering in Auckland; + Sponsorship - Various vendors have expressed an interest in contributing equipment to form the layer-2 exchange fabric; + Agreements - in general, bilateral peering arrangements between individual exchange participants are far more flexible (and far easier to manage/find agreement on) than multilateral exchange-wide peering policies; + Route exchange - by BGP4 through individual bilateral peering arrangements (no route server). Publication of policy is up to individual participants, although a central repository (e.g. in the RADB) might make automated filter generation simpler; + IP Addressing - Bill Manning of ISI has address space available to number exchanges which meet his criteria; this address space would not lie within supernet advertisements of any particular exchange participant, which makes it easy for the route to the exchange network to not be advertised outside NZ; + Operational policy and support - initially at least, best effort, no uptime guarantees; nobody should _depend_ on the exchange fabric for business-critical traffic, but should consider the fact that it works a bonus -- this is all in the interests of getting something working quickly without getting bogged down in service level agreements. This _is_ the Internet, after all :) + Communication - through the NZNOG list, unless people object (in which case we can start another list, somewhere else if necessary); + Measurement - none. If participants are interested in traffic statistics across the exchange, they can sort something out privately; + Privacy - "no snooping the ether". "No messing with other peoples' gear". Note that at this stage no decisions have been made, and these are all just ideas. If there is sufficient support, there would seem to be nothing on this list that couldn't be sorted out in the next few months. This message is a request for involvement for any networking organisation who has interest in participating in an exchange of public IP traffic in Auckland. Organisations which have expressed an interest in Auckland peering (in one form or another, at some point in time, not authoritative, in no particular order, no flames please ;) include: CLEAR ICONZ NetGate Xtra IBM NZ Iprolink Telstra NZ Compass Voyager NetLink KC I presume there are more. Stand up and be counted! Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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RE: Auckland Neutral Peering Exchange
by Robert Gray 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Joe Abley wrote: > I presume there are more. Stand up and be counted! Love to know more. (That is of course a general statement, not just in regard to this specific issue). I will however continue to sit. Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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