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Re: [nznog] [Fwd: [pacnog] IPv4 exhaustion discussionsin Asia Pacific region]
by Ewen McNeill 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

In message <2B310DEB-219F-4F70-9779-F27EDDEE60AA(a)ca.afilias.info>, Joe Abley writes: >On 16-Feb-2007, at 17:00, Nathan Ward wrote: >> End-to-end IP connectivity is so passe. > >But it's arguably what allowed the Internet to grow and flourish. If >the network controls the applications that users can deploy, then >[provider catchup or user disappointment or] >people will stop dreaming up new applications for users to run, and >will instead concentrate on packages they can sell to carriers and ISPs. Or, perhaps worse, all new applications will have an extra layer to "route around" this problem. The rise of application data over XML over HTTP (over SSL) over TCP over IP hints at what this world might be like. That's not exactly progress. The security folks aren't exactly keen on this either (even without the SSL, it's very hard to "pinhole" inspect what is going on in the midst of large XML payloads, and you don't get much of a service type indicator if it's all XML over HTTP). The "big win" of Skype, and Kazaa before it, is its ability to "route around" the NAT everywhere, firewall everywhere, world and overlay what is basically an end-to-end network again (at least bits of it created on demand). That's not exactly progress either. Some other possibilities have been suggested, such as smarter intermediate boxes (firewalls, NAT), with which one negotiates (as in a protocol to request) a path through to the end box. This is already starting to happen with, eg, STUN, but potentially could be formalised as part of connection setup, and done automatically rather than requiring per-application custom setup. One is left wondering if instead of inventing random ad-hoc "tunnel through intermediate boxes" protocols it may be that things converge on, eg, 6-over-4. At least, eg, application over TCP over IPv6 over IPv4 is still pretty transparent, and doesn't have _that_ much overheard (compared with, eg, XML over HTTP). And there's some eventual migration path which involves reducing layers (eventually when everything is 6-over-4 it makes sense to just get rid of the IPv4 bit). Ewen

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Apropos addressing
by Juha Saarinen 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

Geoff Huston has something to say on that: http://www.circleid.com/posts/addressing_the_future_internet/ (Shamelessly nicked from Bill St Arnaud's CAnet news: http://www.canarie.ca/canet4/library/list.html) -- Juha Saarinen www.geekzone.co.nz/juha | Skype: juha_saarinen blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/techsploder www.computerworld.co.nz | MSN: juha_saarinen(a)msn.com Voice: +64 9 950 3023 Subtle recursive jokes in .sigs are not funny.

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS38292 descr: Route set advertised to AS9439 by Zero One - AS38292 members: 210.48.94.0/24^24-29, 210.48.103.192/26^26-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: nick(a)01.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070212 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS38292 descr: advertised to AS9439 by ZeroOne (NZ) Limited - AS38292 members: 202.174.6.0/23^23-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc(a)zeroone.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070214 source: NZRR

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NZNOG 2007: Sysadmin Miniconf: Slides available
by Ewen McNeill 11 Feb '07

11 Feb '07

For those that attended the Sysadmin Miniconf at NZNOG 2007 (or wished to but had conflicts), the slide sets from most of the talks at the miniconf are now online: http://nznog.miniconf.org/ Thank you to everyone who participated in the miniconf and helped make it a success, and especially to those who spoke at the miniconf. If anyone has anything else that they want linked to the Sysadmin Miniconf page please email it to <talks(a)nznog.miniconf.org>. Ewen

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 11 Feb '07

11 Feb '07

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS9503 descr: advertised to AS9560 by FX Networks - AS9503 members: 131.203.0.0/16^16-29, 161.29.0.0/16^16-29, 161.65.0.0/16^16-29, 202.53.176.0/20^20-29, 202.174.160.0/20^20-29, 202.191.32.0/20^20-29, 210.48.160.0/20^20-29, 202.46.176.0/21^21-29, 202.78.240.0/21^21-29, 203.190.208.0/21^21-29, 202.37.48.0/22^22-29, 202.59.4.0/22^22-29, 202.124.106.0/23^23-29, 192.88.85.0/24^24-29, 192.133.31.0/24^24-29, 202.20.97.0/24^24-29, 202.27.208.0/24^24-29, 202.36.119.0/24^24-29, 202.36.183.0/24^24-29, 202.46.190.0/24^24-29, 202.50.247.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc-minor(a)fx.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20061214 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS9503 descr: advertised to AS9560 by FX Networks - AS9503 members: 131.203.0.0/16^16-29, 161.29.0.0/16^16-29, 161.65.0.0/16^16-29, 202.53.176.0/20^20-29, 202.174.160.0/20^20-29, 202.191.32.0/20^20-29, 210.48.160.0/20^20-29, 123.108.144.0/21^21-29, 202.46.176.0/21^21-29, 202.78.240.0/21^21-29, 203.190.208.0/21^21-29, 202.37.48.0/22^22-29, 202.59.4.0/22^22-29, 202.124.106.0/23^23-29, 192.88.85.0/24^24-29, 192.133.31.0/24^24-29, 202.20.97.0/24^24-29, 202.27.208.0/24^24-29, 202.36.119.0/24^24-29, 202.36.183.0/24^24-29, 202.46.190.0/24^24-29, 202.50.247.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc-minor(a)fx.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070212 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 11 Feb '07

11 Feb '07

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS9503 descr: advertised to AS9439 by FX Networks - AS9503 members: 131.203.0.0/16^16-29, 161.29.0.0/16^16-29, 161.65.0.0/16^16-29, 202.53.176.0/20^20-29, 202.174.160.0/20^20-29, 202.191.32.0/20^20-29, 210.48.160.0/20^20-29, 202.46.176.0/21^21-29, 202.78.240.0/21^21-29, 203.190.208.0/21^21-29, 202.37.48.0/22^22-29, 202.59.4.0/22^22-29, 202.124.106.0/23^23-29, 192.88.85.0/24^24-29, 192.133.31.0/24^24-29, 202.20.97.0/24^24-29, 202.27.208.0/24^24-29, 202.36.119.0/24^24-29, 202.36.183.0/24^24-29, 202.46.190.0/24^24-29, 202.50.247.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc-minor(a)fx.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20061218 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS9503 descr: advertised to AS9439 by FX Networks - AS9503 members: 131.203.0.0/16^16-29, 161.29.0.0/16^16-29, 161.65.0.0/16^16-29, 202.53.176.0/20^20-29, 202.174.160.0/20^20-29, 202.191.32.0/20^20-29, 210.48.160.0/20^20-29, 123.108.144.0/21^21-29, 202.46.176.0/21^21-29, 202.78.240.0/21^21-29, 203.190.208.0/21^21-29, 202.37.48.0/22^22-29, 202.59.4.0/22^22-29, 202.124.106.0/23^23-29, 192.88.85.0/24^24-29, 192.133.31.0/24^24-29, 202.20.97.0/24^24-29, 202.27.208.0/24^24-29, 202.36.119.0/24^24-29, 202.36.183.0/24^24-29, 202.46.190.0/24^24-29, 202.50.247.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: noc-minor(a)fx.net.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070212 source: NZRR

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 11 Feb '07

11 Feb '07

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: aut-num: AS38292 as-name: NZRR-AS38292 descr: Zero One descr: WIX peering at '202.7.1.17' descr: see Citylink RT job #245 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS38292 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: nick(a)01.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070212 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS38292 descr: Route set advertised to AS9439 by Zero One - AS38292 members: 210.48.94.0/24^24-29, 210.48.103.192/26^26-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: nick(a)01.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070212 source: NZRR

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Off Topic - Woosh VoIP engineer please contact me off list..
by Chris Hodgetts 09 Feb '07

09 Feb '07

I had VoIP issues with Woosh awhile ago, and was advised by a tech there that they would start to support RFC2833 as opposed to INBAND DTMF on their VoIP system (when he spoke to me he advised in about 3 weeks, but this was well before Christmas) This is yet to happen, and I am still having issues calling a few IVR systems and would like to get it resolved if I can - or at least know of a date this might take place. Cheers, and apologies for taking this off topic, and because I don't drink I cant bring it back on topic..... but I am sure someone can drink enough for me. Cheers thanks again.

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 07 Feb '07

07 Feb '07

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the various NZIX route servers (http://nzix.net/) so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers at an exchange, you can maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of routes. --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: aut-num: AS17663 as-name: NZRR-AS17663 descr: Housing New Zealand Corporation descr: WIX peering at '202.7.0.149' descr: see Citylink RT job #8222 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR import: from AS9439 accept ANY AND NOT fltr-bogons export: to AS9439 announce AS17663 notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: ns(a)hnzc.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070208 source: NZRR --- OBJECT BELOW CREATED: route-set: AS9439:RS-ROUTES:AS17663 descr: Route set advertised to AS9439 by Housing New Zealand Corporation - AS17663 members: 192.173.17.0/24^24-29, 202.37.197.0/24^24-29 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz notify: ns(a)hnzc.co.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: rpsl-admin(a)nzix.net 20070208 source: NZRR

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A new policy proposal "IPv4 countdown policy proposal" - APNIC 23
by Miwa Fujii 06 Feb '07

06 Feb '07

Hi All, Thanks for the NZNOG 2007 committee's efforts to make successful NZNOG 2007. Thanks also for NZNOG community pple's warm hospitality to us. I very much enjoyed technical presentations, the panel discussion and both formal/informal social events. As we discussed in the panel discussion "Where to spend the money, IPv6, or somewhere else?", there were quite a few dimensions to discuss this topic. As NZNOG is a technical community, naturally, the discussion was drawn into technical details of IPv6. However, we briefly discussed about the relationship between IPv4 address exhaustion and IPv6. There is a policy proposal for the upcoming APNIC 23 in Bali, titled "IPv4 countdown policy proposal" http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/prop-046-v001.html I think having a wider community's input to this proposal would be good. If you have any comment, please feel free to post it to the APNIC sig-policy mailing list. You can subscribe the mailing list from: http://www.apnic.net/community/lists/index.html Looking forward to hearing your view. miwa

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